#233 | A Clear Analogy for Presenting The Work of Byron Katie—with a Peaceful HSP Heart

Summary

Podcast Summary: "A Clear Analogy for Presenting The Work of Byron Katie—with a Peaceful HSP Heart"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Stress Management for Highly Sensitive People (HSP): Inner Work and Strategies for Coping with Stress, Overwhelm, and Negative Emotions
• Host/Author: Todd Smith, founder of True Inner Freedom
• Episode: #233 | “A Clear Analogy for Presenting The Work of Byron Katie—with a Peaceful HSP Heart”
• Release Date: May 21, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode #233 of "Stress Management for Highly Sensitive People (HSP)," host Todd Smith delves into effective strategies for highly sensitive individuals to manage stress and negative emotions. The episode focuses on presenting the work of Byron Katie, a transformative method for questioning and reducing stressful thoughts. Todd introduces a powerful analogy to make Byron Katie's work more accessible, shares a client's personal story, and explores deeper emotional issues that arise from moments of nervousness and self-judgment.

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Understanding The Work of Byron Katie Through a Powerful Analogy

Todd Smith begins the episode by highlighting his favorite analogy to demystify Byron Katie’s work:

"[00:00] Todd Smith: By the end of this episode, you'll discover my favorite analogy for understanding the work of Byron Katie. One that brings instant clarity to a process that can sometimes feel abstract or elusive."

Byron Katie elaborates on this analogy, likening it to an encounter with a snake that turns out to be a rope:

"[02:51] Byron Katie: ...the analogy of the string and the snake from ancient India illustrates how our fearful perceptions are often based on our stories rather than the reality itself."

This analogy serves to demonstrate how our minds can inflate perceived threats, leading to unnecessary fear and stress. By questioning these stories, we can gain a clearer, calmer perspective on reality.

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Client’s Anxiety About Presenting "The Work"

In the "Open Session" segment, a client shares her anxiety about presenting "The Work" to an unfamiliar audience:

"[00:45] Todd Smith: In this episode you'll discover... how one client found unexpected peace while preparing for a big presentation..."

The client expresses feeling overwhelmed by the myriad ways to explain The Work, fearing she won't convey its essence effectively:

"[01:26] Client: ...I'm preparing for a Zoom presentation tonight on the Work to people who may never have heard of it before... my mind keeps going in circles..."

Her concerns are rooted in past experiences and a fear of self-judgment, highlighting common challenges faced by highly sensitive individuals when sharing something deeply personal.

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Applying The Work: Questioning Fear and Self-Judgment

Byron Katie guides the client through her anxiety using the four-question process central to The Work:

"[08:48] Byron Katie: Okay. So again, this is kind of a future situation, so it's a little more nebulous to work, but it also can work really well..."

The client identifies the core thought: "I won't explain it well." Through introspection and questioning, she begins to dismantle this fear.

Notable Quote:

"[16:18] Client: When I don't have the thought, I feel a lot lighter... I can pause to listen and consider, but I don't get stuck on anything."

This shift illustrates how removing limiting beliefs can create space for calmness and confidence, allowing individuals to respond more effectively in stressful situations.

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Exploring Turnarounds and Embracing Alternative Perspectives

Todd and Byron guide the client through turnarounds to challenge her negative thought:

"[20:27] Client: So let's try turning it around."

One significant turnaround is shifting from "I won't explain it well" to "I will explain it well," enabling the client to recognize her capabilities and past successes:

"[21:57] Todd Smith: Well, yeah, but it's just cool to." "[22:01] Byron Katie: See this balance perspective. It's as possible and maybe even more possible that you will explain it well, than you won't explain it well."

This exercise helps the client realize that her fears may be unfounded and that she possesses the skills necessary to communicate effectively.

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Addressing Deeper Issues: Past Experiences and the Desire for Validation

The conversation delves into how past experiences amplify present fears. The client's recollection of a challenging radio interview underscores the lingering impact of past stress:

"[09:29] Client: I see these images, me on Zoom... feeling like I've made a mess of this."

Byron Katie connects future fears to these past experiences, emphasizing the role of self-judgment in maintaining stress:

"[13:36] Byron Katie: ...future fears are often based on past experiences... they charge up the emotion."

The client acknowledges her dependency on external validation, which exacerbates her anxiety:

"[28:58] Byron Katie: ...we don’t need reinforcement or support from others for something that I do that I value."

By recognizing and letting go of this need for validation, the client begins to unburden herself from unnecessary pressure.

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Conclusion and Takeaways

In wrapping up the session, Todd summarizes the key insights:

"[30:33] Todd Smith: In this episode, we looked at a clear and powerful analogy that instantly reveals what the work is and why it matters... how questioning that story can bring you back down to reality."

The episode underscores the importance of questioning limiting beliefs, understanding the impact of past experiences, and releasing the need for external validation. For highly sensitive individuals, these strategies offer pathways to manage stress, reduce overwhelm, and achieve inner freedom.

Final Notable Quote:

"[31:54] Byron Katie: ...seeing that there may or may not get it is also perfectly fine and normal. Then it takes some of the pressure off of me having to do a good job."

Call to Action: Listeners are encouraged to engage with the practices discussed by visiting trueinnerfreedom.com to complete the HSP Stress Survey and enjoy a free 15-minute inner freedom call.

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Key Sections Covered:

1. Introduction - Overview of the episode and its focus.
2. Understanding the Analogy - Explanation of the snake vs. rope analogy to clarify Byron Katie’s work.
3. Client’s Presentation Anxiety - Exploration of the client's fears and concerns about presenting.
4. Applying The Work - Guided questioning to address and dismantle negative thoughts.
5. Turnarounds and Insights - Shifting perspectives to alleviate fear and self-judgment.
6. Deeper Emotional Issues - Linking past experiences to current anxieties and the need for validation.
7. Conclusion and Takeaways - Summarizing lessons and encouraging proactive engagement.

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This episode offers valuable insights for highly sensitive individuals seeking effective stress management techniques. By leveraging analogies, real-life stories, and the transformative process of The Work, Todd Smith provides listeners with practical tools to navigate and alleviate stress, paving the way for true inner freedom.

Transcript

[Todd Smith]

By the end of this episode, you'll discover my favorite analogy for understanding the work of Byron Katie. One that brings instant clarity to a process that can sometimes feel abstract or elusive. Welcome to Stress Management for Highly Sensitive.

[Byron Katie]

People, a podcast helping HSPs avoid overwhelm.

[Todd Smith]

Eliminate stress and find true inner freedom. I'm your host, Todd Smith, a facilitator.

[Byron Katie]

Of the work of Byron Katie.

[Todd Smith]

A way to question and reduce stressful thoughts.

[Byron Katie]

And you guessed it, I'm a highly sensitive person myself.

[Todd Smith]

In this episode you'll discover a clear and powerful analogy that instantly reveals what the work is and why it matters, how one client found unexpected peace while preparing for a big presentation, and the deeper issues that come to light and gain clarity when you explore a simple moment of nervousness and self judgment. Today is another edition of Open Session. Wednesdays you bring your questions and stressful situations and I facilitate you in the simple, powerful process of the work of Byron Katie. As always, I share the unedited recording so you can experience the Open Session just as we did.

[Client]

I suppose I have a question and it could be also a thought to take to inquiry. You know that I'm preparing for a Zoom presentation tonight on the Work to people who may never have heard of it before. And I find myself a little overwhelmed at all the different possible ways to explain the work, which doesn't need a whole lot of explanation. I mean, I think simple is better, but there's. My mind kind of just keeps going in circles like there's so many different ways that I could talk about this. And of course I've heard countless ways that it's described. So I don't know, I guess I'm curious. Of course you have lots and lots of practice describing the work. And I don't know, do you have any advice from your experience or sort of guidelines that you think about when presenting to people who are completely unfamiliar with the work?

[Todd Smith]

Yeah, it's a great question.

[Byron Katie]

The work is a. It's a funny thing. It's hard to put your finger on what it actually is. In a way, it's these four questions and turnarounds and it's a way of questioning your thoughts and experiencing something different. But what is it? What is it? And one of the things I like to do is to use an analogy. For me, I love the analogy of the string. And the snake is a famous analogy from ancient India where you happen across what you think is a snake and you freak out and your heart starts pounding and you run and scream and you know, call everybody There and. And make a big deal out of it. And then when you look closely at it, it's just a rope, you know, or just a string. And. And once you see the reality of what it actually is, it's not so scary anymore. It's just like. You can laugh about it, actually, because, oh, my God, I was scared for nothing. It was just a rope. And. And so that analogy, you can play with it in different ways, but I love that analogy because it just shows you how our story of reality is what scares us. Not always the reality itself. You know, sometimes there are some scary things in reality also, but by and large, a lot of the. The. The. The stress and fear and emotion that we experience is due to our minds making it bigger than it is or making it scarier than it is. And what the work does is it cuts through that and says, let's just look at reality itself and see what's actually there. And maybe it is a snake.

[Todd Smith]

Okay, great.

[Byron Katie]

Then I'll calmly step away from the snake. But maybe it's just a rope, and I just don't need to be worried about it. But in either case, there's a. There's a kind of calmness that comes in when you look objectively at things. And that's the way I see the work, as a way of. I often say a way of going back and taking a second look. And I find that to be just so helpful when emotions become strong. And so emotions are what bring us into the work. And when they're strong, chances are they're stronger than they actually. You know, like, I'm seeing a picture that's not. That's larger than life in my mind or scarier than. Than it is in my mind. So, yeah, I mean, like you said, there's a million ways to kind of talk about what the work is. It certainly is valuable to. To. Yeah. I don't know. There's a lot of ways you can do it, but I love analogies because they just kind of simplify it and give it a simple reference point and then go in and actually do a little bit of the work and see what it looks like in real life. And that can fill in the gaps.

[Client]

Yeah. Yep. That's great. I'm glad that you reminded me of that little story, because I remember hearing it from Katie, and it was so profound. Like, it's funny that I haven't thought of it in quite a while, because I used to think of that all the time. That. That's what I'm doing is discovering A rope. And yeah, that's, that's perfect. Thanks for that. Jogging my memory.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, it's a great, great analogy. I heard about it long before Byron, Katie, Just from studies in of Eastern philosophy. And it was just like, wow, this is a cool idea. You know, like that you can actually have your heart beating faster over nothing, over a story. And what the work does is cut through the story so that you don't have to have that experience necessarily.

[Client]

Yeah. It's so relatable. I've definitely done that with snakes or, you know, lots of little things.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah. And, and always the doubt is okay, well what if it is a real snake? Right. And like, and people are like, well, is this just going to make you blind and kind of say, oh well, you know, I'm sure it's just a rope and then you actually get bitten. Like that is, that's a really valid concern. And the way I think of that is that just going back and having a second look, which is what I consider inquiry to be, or the work to be, is going to give you an accurate picture, a more accurate picture of what's actually there. And if it is a real one, then you'll take appropriate action. But it doesn't have to be a freaked out appropriate action. It just be okay, step away from the snake.

[Client]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Byron Katie]

My pleasure. And good luck with your presentation tonight.

[Client]

Thanks. Yeah, I still, you know, I've been sitting in the work with it the last few days and I'll sort of just get clear and get free and light hearted about it and then just lots of little fears creep back in like if there's, if there's time, if no one else has something, I could just work a thought like I won't explain it well, you know.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah, sounds really relatable. Yeah. So if you want, I don't know if there's anyone else, but if not, I'm happy to do the work with you.

[Client]

Great, thank you.

[Byron Katie]

Okay. So again, this is kind of a future situation, so it's a little more nebulous to work, but it also can work really well. Just imagine yourself in front of those people. I think you said it was on zoom and you're presenting. Right. So you won't explain it well. Is it true?

[Client]

Yes.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah, that's the fear. So can you absolutely know it's true? You won't explain it well?

[Client]

No.

[Todd Smith]

And how do you react?

[Byron Katie]

What happens when you think that you won't explain it well and you're imagining or getting ready for this presentation.

[Client]

I see these images, me on zoom, people looking kind of blank or non responsive or then they maybe have a question that seems like, oh, they really didn't get at all what I was saying or they've misinterpreted and I, I see myself kind of trying to go back or fill in the gaps or try it a different way. But then I, I can feel the inner experience of, oh shoot, now I'm talking too much. Now I've gone down a rabbit hole. I should have kept it simple. I should, you know, like I can feel the self judgment happening as I try to explain and become more like, more muddled or confused feeling. I could feel like kind of right here in my chest and throat, just this feeling of, I don't know, some kind of energy that feels like, oh God, I just can't wait for this to be over or like I've made a mess of this. Actually, I remember, I remember this feeling years ago when I, I did a radio interview when I was in my 20s and I had been doing piecework in the Middle east and I came back and was interviewed for local radio and the first question I just didn't know how to field and I started kind of rambling on and on and it was a little too autobiographical and I didn't know where to stop and the interviewer was looking down, he wasn't even looking at me. And I just couldn't gauge at all how, how my answer was coming across. Is this understandable? Is anyone getting this? And of course I'm speaking to these unseen people and I, yeah, I'm remembering that feeling of just like, oh God, I started off on the wrong foot here and I was already imagining my in laws listening to it and judging it, which I think they were really unimpressed because they didn't like our work anyway. And God, I just remember feeling this feeling like why didn't I keep my mouth shut? I'm just regretting and I'm, I've kind, I feel like I've humiliated myself. I've made myself look unintelligent. I'm not clear and decisive and I'm way too emotional. All these judgments, like these stories of me are there. Yeah. So when I imagine this, when I have this thought, I just imagine, oh, this is just going to happen again, how it's gone before. Yeah.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah. So interesting that you connected that. Because the future fears are often based on past experiences, past stress. So that's part of how you react is you connect all of that and it charges up the emotion. Because I've been there before.

[Client]

Yeah. It feels inevitable. Like no matter how prepared I am or how clear I seem or how everybody says, you'll be great, I know I'm going to get in there and then there's going to be some moment where it just kind of goes sideways, sideways and I don't know how to recover. And. Yeah, just. It feels like I'm just headed for that experience again.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah. Yeah. And how does that affect you now as you're thinking about doing the presentation?

[Client]

I just keep feeling this. Like I'll be clear for a little bit and then I just feel that saying, just like I'm slipping into this fear. And of course, with that comes all this self judgment too. Like, this isn't hard. This is something you've been doing for a decade now. Like, you could. You can explain this. Plenty of people do this. People learn the work and then they open their business like six months later and they're like offering the work to people. It's not hard. But so I. What also follows is just all this self judgment that I'm not more put together. That judgment that I have any of this fear at all anyway coming up, like, that's proof that I am not the person to do this or that the work doesn't really work for me because, look, I still get hung up on the littlest things.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah. Yeah. That whole loop of self judgment.

[Client]

Yeah. God, it's so strong in me that I keep trying to feel like I keep seeing it and stepping out of it. And it just is really strong. Like it doesn't take anything to trigger that it's what it feels like.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah. So who would you be without the thought? Just without the thought that you won't explain it. Well.

[Client]

When I don't have the thought, I feel a lot lighter in my whole sort of physical being. I feel excited in a way. Like I feel. I see myself sort of like leaning in when I'm on zoom. Like. Like when you want to share something, you just get closer to the person. Like, I see myself even in that. Even in a situation where somebody says, okay, so it's like this or whatever, and they kind of misrepresented or I can see like, oh, there's been some misunderstanding because that's not exactly, you know, whatever. So I'm responding to that moment and without the thought, I see myself. I sort of like pause to listen and consider, but I don't get stuck on anything. I can feel that there's like half a dozen good responses in me. And all I have to do is pick one. It doesn't even matter which one. Like, I. I know this process from my own experience. Like, just myriad ways. I know how it can feel. I know I'm just ready to respond. And it's not because I'm an expert at all. It's just like, this is a road I've been walking on. And I can. I can tell you what it's like, or I can tell you what I've learned along the way. I can tell you, like, things that have tripped me up. Like, I just have. I have experience to speak from, or I've read a lot of Katie. I've listened to a lot of Katie. I've gained so much from being an inquiry circle. Like, I just. I have a lot of things I could pass on from people like you who have been on the path longer than me. Like, it's not even just what I have available. It's like I've been gifted to hear and receive so much wisdom, and that's all somehow available in me to pass on in a moment.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah. And it's funny how the thought, I won't explain it well, just gets in the way of that.

[Client]

Yeah. Yeah. Without the thought, it's almost like I see it in my mind, but it's almost like I'm not there. The space that would be me is kind of like just this open window or something. Just like, yeah, I mean, I'll be physically there, but I. I energetically see it more like, oh, I'm just drawing from this storehouse of wisdom that I've been witness to and finding, like, oh, what serves. And I can try it this way, or I can try it that way, and I can check in with the person. Does that make sense? Or, you know, and. And I can just keep offering. And ultimately, if it doesn't make sense, then that's okay too, because sometimes my mind's just not open to receive things either. And that's an okay experience. Like, I can also just affirm, if you don't understand this now, that is just fine. You don't need to. If you don't get it, it's not for you right now. You know, Like, I. I can feel the. How. There's no stakes about any of it. Like, there's. There's no risk, you know, to me not explaining or someone not understanding. Like, it's just not really possible that that's a problem.

[Byron Katie]

That's really cool. Yeah.

[Client]

Yeah. So different, though.

[Todd Smith]

So let's try turning it around.

[Byron Katie]

I won't explain it well. What would an opposite be? Let's explore that.

[Client]

I will explain it well.

[Byron Katie]

Okay. How could that be as true or truer?

[Client]

I often have the experience of feeling unclear in myself. You know, usually it's. I'm talking to a friend and I check in, like, does this make any sense? I don't feel like this is clear. That just came out like a jumble. And I think 100% of the time, someone reflects back to me. That made total sense. Yeah, I perfectly understood that. Like, people just don't seem to say, like, yeah, that was. What was that? That was a mess that just doesn't happen. So this thought that I won't explain it well seems to only be true for me, you know, even if somebody else still has questions, doesn't seem like usually the fault is that I'm. That I can't explain something. I actually think I'm a kind of good explainer at times. Like, I like to think about how things fit together or make sense or what people need to know in storytelling or something. Like, I think I'm okay at that. So I think I will explain it well.

[Byron Katie]

Who knew?

[Todd Smith]

Well, yeah, but it's just cool to.

[Byron Katie]

See this balance perspective. It's like, it's as possible and maybe even more possible that you will explain it well, then you won't explain it well. Yeah, and we. It's. It's the story again, going back to that. What we've first talked about, like the. The snake and the rope. Right. That there's the story that I won't explain explain it well. That makes me believe that I really won't. When your experience actually kind of points to the opposite. So it's just. We don't know what will happen. But the possibility that you will explain it well, coming in now starts to balance this story and show something in a more. Yeah, like, less biased light. So what's another turnaround? I won't explain it well. If there's one.

[Client]

This is interesting. What do you. What do you see?

[Byron Katie]

Maybe something like they won't understand it well, as opposed to I won't explain it well. That it's not fully my responsibility.

[Client]

Yeah, yeah, that seems likely. I mean, often we just come to something with our preconceived notions, you know, and people might do that. People might think, oh, it means this or it means that. Especially in a, you know, kind of eclectic spiritual community, people might have already have practices or something. So, like, they may. They might not fully get it. And honestly, the work is it's kind of an enigma that it's so simple and really profound and it's kind of easy to miss, that it's easy to either think it's really complicated, it's an intellectual thing, or, I don't know, it's just. It's easy not to understand. Like, can I say that I really understand it? Not. Not fully. You know, I'm often rediscovering it, you know, kind of on a regular basis too. Like, oh, my gosh, that's what a thought does. Wow. Like, something I think I know is still. I still don't understand it or misunderstand it plenty of times. So I guess it's fine. It's fine for it not to be understood. You know, that's not on me and that's not the goal even. Yeah. Again, I just come back to this, like, surrender of the grand timing of the universe, that this isn't, like my moment to make something happen. This is just me showing up and whatever. Maybe seeds are planted or maybe people get just. They get just whatever they need and maybe that's the whole idea of the work. Or maybe it's just some side comment or something, you know?

[Byron Katie]

Yeah.

[Client]

Yeah.

[Byron Katie]

I like this turnaround because it kind of brings in the other people. Not just putting it all about myself, when I put it, when I'm presenting and it's all about I. I won't explain it well or I need to do a good job. Then that's when I become nervous. That's when I become, you know, just completely worried. But there's a lot going on. I'm just a part of this whole process. And. And seeing that they may or may not get it is also perfectly fine and normal. Then it takes some of the pressure off of me having to do a good job.

[Client]

Yeah. And in my mind, I can see it balance out this, like, this hyper focus that I've had on me. And, like, how am I going to do this and is it going to work and am I going to be good? And really what this is is just like, I'm one person on a zoom with who knows, 12 or 20 other people. And this is a meeting of all of us, you know, Like, I'm really just the one here to offer something and not my show, you know, like, the point is for them to try something and experience something and get to think about something. That's the whole point. It's. It's not about me doing it, you know?

[Byron Katie]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I was thinking about sometimes when we present things. We. We're presenting something that's really important to us or something that's really kind of we've, like a core practice or something that we believe in or even. I was thinking of you with your radio station, like some good thing that you believed in that you did, like some piecework in the Middle east or something. Like, these are, like, personal. These are things we care about. And if I'm thinking it's about me and, And. And almost in a way subtly getting validation or getting a. Some extra. Just like other people valuing what I value, which gives me a sense of confidence in a way. Like it. It can put this pressure that they.

[Todd Smith]

I really need them to get it right.

[Byron Katie]

But what this turnaround does is says, wait a minute. Like, they might not understand it well, and that's okay because it may not just be what they need or what they're interested in or any. Anything like that. And it stops this. It sort of breaks this pressure to get, you know, reinforcement or get support from others for something that I do that I value that is kind of core inside of myself.

[Client]

Yeah. Yeah. Right. There's a lot of, I guess, love, approval and appreciation or maybe especially just kind of acknowledgement or something that can feel like it's adding to my sense of self worth or my value as a person.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah. And that puts a lot of pressure because now I need to really look good at this or be good at this in order to have that extra validation, if you will.

[Client]

Right.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah. And without it, you know, like, the turnaround is okay. Well, they. They may just get whatever they get, and that's okay. Like, they don't need to. I don't need to explain it. Well, it kind of is a. Maybe another kind of weird turnaround, but it's just. It's okay. I'm just here to present something and end of story.

[Client]

Right? Yeah. It's funny that I have a goal in mind because I'll probably never see these people again. Like, they're not even in my home state necessarily. Like, why do I have so much invested in what it means for them going forward or in their life or something? There's no way I can even know anything about that. Yeah.

[Byron Katie]

Yeah.

[Client]

I just. And then. And then that's all I'm here to do.

[Byron Katie]

Right. Suddenly it starts getting really simple. Really feels really free because I don't have this big job to do anymore. I'm just.

[Todd Smith]

Yeah.

[Byron Katie]

Showing up and, hey, I'm here, and blah, blah, blah, and hope you have a great day.

[Client]

Bye. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

[Byron Katie]

That'S cool. Well, thank you for your work.

[Client]

Thank you, Todd.

[Todd Smith]

In this episode, we looked at a clear and powerful analogy that instantly reveals what the work is and why it matters. And that's my favorite analogy of the. The rope and the snake and how it shows you how it's the story in your mind that causes the chaos, the craziness, the overwhelm. And by questioning that story, it can bring you back down to reality, which may still have issues, but it's not. They're usually not as bad or as crazy as when the mind makes a story. We then looked at how one client found unexpected peace while preparing for a big presentation. And we questioned the thought, or she questioned the thought. I won't explain it well, just very literally what came out of her mind, that fear.

[Byron Katie]

And then we just took that in.

[Todd Smith]

And brought it through, the four questions and the turnarounds. And it was so cool to see that there's another side to that. I might explain it well. And then finally we looked at the deeper issues that come to light and gain clarity when you explore a simple moment of nervousness and self judgment like this. And we saw that there were old experiences of being on a radio station.

[Byron Katie]

And, you know, just not keeping it together.

[Todd Smith]

And then the. The desire for validation that was also there is natural in all of us. We start making it about us and trying to share our vulnerable and precious ideas. And this is deep work. You know, this opens up something deep in us. And if we follow this thread, it can really be a place to explore deeply and to gain clarity so that these kinds of situations don't have to trip us up. But if they do, they're there for a reason, to show us that there's still something in there that we can gain clarity around. So thanks for listening. It's great to be here with you. I look forward to more sessions with you. In the meantime, have a great rest of your day and we will see you next time. Dreaming of a stress free balanced life. Visit trueinnerfreedom.com and complete the HSP Stress Survey. Gain clarity on your stress triggers and Enjoy a free 15 minute inner freedom call designed to guide you towards lasting inner peace and fulfillment.

[Client]

Sa.