1512 - Jen & Rob Couldn't Find Their Perfect Lifestyle Community So They Created Their Own

Summary

Strictly Anonymous Confessions
Episode 1512 – Jen & Rob Couldn't Find Their Perfect Lifestyle Community So They Created Their Own
Release Date: July 8, 2026
Host: Kathy Kay
Guests: Jen & Rob, Founders of Voluptas

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Episode Overview

This episode features Jen and Rob, a married couple and founders of Voluptas, an exclusive and highly-curated society for married couples seeking to elevate their erotic lives. Disappointed by the lack of spaces that matched their vision and boundaries in the lifestyle community, they set out to create Voluptas—a private, luxurious club for committed couples who share the values of growth, connection, eroticism, and discretion. Kathy digs deep into their journey, motivations, the unique structure and ethos of their club, and the intentional design of their experiences.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to Voluptas and Jen & Rob’s Story

• Voluptas is a private society for happily married couples, founded three years ago by Jen and Rob.
• The name comes from the Roman goddess of sensual pleasure: “Voluptas was the Roman goddess. She’s actually the daughter of Cupid and Psyche… the personification of love and soul and commitment and desire.” (Rob, 10:18)
• The club has just over 100 active couples and is intensely selective—less than 5% of applicants are accepted.
• The community’s ethos: “The group of the most happily married people you'll ever hope to meet. And guess what they have in common – they’re having the best sex of their lives, whatever that may mean between each and every couple.” (Jen, 11:33)

2. Jen & Rob’s Personal Exploration of the Lifestyle

• Married for 15 years, always prioritized their marriage and sex life.
• Their journey began at Jen’s 40th birthday. She said, “I want to go somewhere and be naked and comfortable in my own skin around like minded people. And that was it. That was the start of it for us.” (Jen, 14:05)
• They attended Desire Resort in Mexico, an upscale adults-only destination with sexual themes, where they explored exhibitionism as a couple but did not interact sexually with others.
  • “We had some time, just her and I alone on that, and we enjoyed the kind of exhibitionist scene.” (Rob, 20:13)
• Post-Desire, they continued to experiment—attending strip clubs, swinger events, and other gatherings—always seeking an “elevated, luxurious, more intentional environment,” but never finding the right fit.

3. Realization and Creation of Their Own Space

• Dissatisfaction with available options led to the core idea: "It made us think about things that we did not want versus the things that we did want." (Jen, 24:00)
• Voluptas is framed as an intentional, elevated environment where eroticism is curated but not pressured, emphasizing connection over transactional encounters.
  • "We're not trying to fix a marriage. We're trying to again, take great marriages and make them elite." (Jen, 43:16)
  • “We want a really crazy, charged, erotic, unbelievable atmosphere. But it doesn’t need to result in that [partner swaps].” (Rob, 29:23)

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Structure & Events at Voluptas

4. How Voluptas Events Work

• Typically hosts 4–6 gatherings per year (plus new “deeper experience” retreats).
• Gatherings often take place in luxury penthouses, mansions, or upscale venues in major cities—selected by member vote for novelty (Chicago, LA, Miami, NYC).
• Events are intentionally small and intimate (recent example: 28 couples in Las Vegas).

Event Flow

• Women's cocktail brunch/lunch kicks off the experience: “You remove us from our husbands… get us dressed up, let us feel feminine and beautiful… we get a lot of confidence from that time we spent together prior to stepping into the gathering that evening. And we also feel very sexually empowered…” (Jen, 39:13)
• Evenings are black-tie, tuxedos, gowns, slinky lingerie. “When the woman is comfortable, all kinds of crazy things can happen.” (Rob, 38:51)
• Live string music, art installations, and “human art” (think: living erotic tableaus) set the mood. No dance floors or stripper poles.
  • “It’s an erotic, elevated art gallery opening… we usually have live string music of some sort, and we also will have humans, art installations, human bodies doing things in certain corners of the room.” (Rob, 49:10)
• After staff leaves, doors/ropes open to the “erotic field”; couples change into lingerie.
• All attendees sign strict NDAs; absolutely no photography.

Atmosphere and Boundaries

• Food avoided to keep things sexy: “Eating is gross. When it comes to sex.” (Jen, 53:13)
• Open bar (champagne, wine, cocktails—no beer).
• The erotic energy is the point; sexual activities are consensual, self-driven, and range vastly by couple preference.
• Some members may never interact sexually with others, while others push further boundaries; no judgment, no pressure.

Consent & Visual Cues

• Unique mask system: One side signals “do not approach,” while the other signals openness to socializing. Couples can switch at will. (Rob, 70:05)
• “Removes any sort of internal or external social pressure whatsoever.” (Rob, 70:29)

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Membership: Vetting and Community

5. Intensive Vetting Process

• Application starts with a short online questionnaire (approx. 7 questions) and photograph.
• Key emphasis: intentionality, effort, and the connection between the couple. "Being intentional is, is, is says a lot about you in all aspects of your life." (Rob, 43:02)
• Alignment Zoom call with every couple before acceptance—both partners must present and engaged.
• Red flags: one partner disengaged, seeking to “fix” relationship, jealousies, lack of intentionality, poor communication. (46:26)
• Most members are 45-55, married at least 15 years, but ages range from 30s to 60s.
• Out of approx. 20,000+ applicants, only about 300 make it to the alignment call, with just over 100 couples accepted.
  • “I think we've had 20 some thousand applications and, you know, probably 300 calls, so I can't do that math in my head, but wow, it's a pretty small number.” (Rob, 45:10)

6. Ongoing Community

• Dedicated online space for members to connect, chat, and plan.
• Retreats and women’s-only events developing (e.g. four-day women’s retreat in Montana, 57:16).
• Real friendships and enduring connections beyond just the erotic gatherings.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Move at the speed of the slower partner in this type of situation. It does you no favors pushing one, you know, further than they're ready to go… it bonds you better and deeper.” (Jen, 25:34)
• “We believe you have to keep growing in your marriage… We were always looking for that next little edge to give us that little high, that ‘I can’t believe we did that’ secret that you share as a married couple that's so beautiful.” (Rob, 27:53)
• “We’re only married people, so there’s never singles. You always come with your spouse, you leave with your spouse.” (Rob, 55:16)
• “It smells like sex in the air, and it’s just incredible and just delicious and like, a total beautiful mind. Really.” (Jen, 54:26)
• “If you're not intentional in other areas of your life, you're probably not intentional in your marriage.” (Rob, 42:44)
• “Your kink might not be my kink, but… we all have our own kinks… we only get one [life].” (Jen, 66:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [08:31] – Jen & Rob join, origin of Voluptas, what makes it unique
• [14:05] – Jen’s 40th birthday: The naked spark that started it all
• [15:35] – Their experience at Desire and feeling out of place
• [22:29] – “Did you ever play with other people?”: The boundary question
• [23:50] – Realizations after their first events and focus on connection
• [28:49] – Defining the Voluptas experience: high-end, “James Bond meets Fifty Shades”
• [34:24] – Venues and types of cities used; exclusive vibe
• [37:37] – How many couples attend, why events are kept intimate
• [38:51] – Pre-event women’s brunch; building comfort and confidence
• [41:33] – The Application & Alignment call: how couples are vetted
• [43:51] – Typical rejection reasons, red flags, intentionality
• [47:25] – Average member profile (age, length of marriage)
• [49:10] – Walkthrough of an event: arrivals, live music, human art installations
• [53:08] – “Eating is gross.”: Their philosophy on food & sexy events
• [54:26] – “Erotic field” opens, organic transition to lingerie & intimacy
• [55:16] – All members are married; nobody attends solo
• [56:45] – Retreats & deeper experiences, including women’s-only events
• [58:29] – Growth, scaling, and remaining intentionally exclusive
• [62:27] – Social media’s impact on recent growth
• [63:24] – How to find/join Voluptas (Instagram, website)
• [64:07] – The “science” behind curating erotic experiences, focusing on the brain and female arousal
• [66:23] – “Your kink might not be my kink…” Respecting diversity in sexual expression
• [70:05] – The role and symbolism of masks: built-in consent, freedom from social pressure
• [72:00] – Day-after gatherings to reinforce personal connections
• [73:48] – Jen and Rob’s own fandom: “We’ve been listening to you ever since [Desire].”

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How to Connect With Voluptas

• Website: clubvoluptas.com
• Instagram: @ClubVoluptas
• Prospective members can fill out the application form online; intentionality and effort are heavily weighted for acceptance.

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Tone & Takeaways

Jen & Rob approach their subject with a mix of intelligence, warmth, elegance, and playfulness. Their focus is not on “swinging” per se, but on intentional, erotic, and relationship-building experiences—creating a safe, mysterious, and elevated space where couples can grow together (or alone) at their own pace. Their energy is inviting to both adventurous newbies and veteran couples bored with the “transactional” lifestyle scene.

Final Word

If you’re craving connection, mystery, and luxury in your relationship—but don’t fit the traditional “swinger” label—Voluptas might just be the most exclusive ticket for you.
“Not everybody identifies as a swinger… they want something erotic, but they don’t want a strip club. They don’t want to go to a sex club. But they want something beautiful and elevated and elegant.” (Rob, 65:18)

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Transcript

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[Rob]

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[Jen]

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[Rob]

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[Jen]

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[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

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[Rob]

No, no, he has no idea and anything go is motto of the show. Let your freak flag fly.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Probably the only good advice I'll ever give you is to rehide your whips and shame.

[Jen]

Here is your host, Kathy.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous Podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow me at Strict Anonymous if you want to be on the show. It's called Strict Strictly Anonymous because they change everyone's voices and names. Okay, so if you have an interesting secret naughty life that you want to talk about while remaining anonymous or not anonymous, if you're out and proud, you could email me at strictly anonymous podcastmail.com or go to my website, strictly anonymous podcast.com and click on Be on the Show. Now listen, I'm also looking for people that have any kind of like regular interesting stories or any kind of health journey stories, like you lost a lot of weight or you started working out and you completely transformed yourself or anything to do with health. 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As well as you get anonymous pics of probably every single girl that has called into my show. Every single female guest. I got pictures of them over on my Patreon. Like I said, It's $7 a month. The link to Patreon is in the description. If you do sign up for my Patreon or buy my book. I wrote book. It's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. It's all stories from my show told in the third person. They're super fun. And the audiobook is coming out in August. So if you buy my book, either in paperback or ebook or audiobook version, the links are all in the description. I will also give you access to my private Discord. Like I said, if you join my Patreon or if you call into my show or if you buy my book, I will give complimentary access to my private Discord. My Private Discord is not a paid site. It is free, but it is private and you can only get in if I send you the link. I promise you you will not be disappointed. My Discord is full of great effing people. Okay, so if you buy my book, send me a screenshot of your purchase and I will send you the link to My Discord. Last thing I'm going to tell you about is if you want to sign up for SDC.com I do have a free trial for my listeners. SDC is like the world's largest online dating website. And it's not just place where you could hook up with people. You could learn all about the lifestyle. You could find out about all the lifestyle events and meetups and all kinds of things going on in Your neighborhood as well as if you're going to travel and you want to have a little fun, you're going to find it all on SDC.com Like I said, you get a free trial if you use my code 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link. That's 37712. Or just go to the description and click on the link. Oh my God. Today I have such an interesting episod. Jen and Rob. Jen and Rob created a very exclusive vip. I don't know what you would call it, like a society called Voluptas. Okay. They're, it's like a club, a society, an online community. They are very picky about who they let in. When you hear how many people have applied and how many people they have let in, you're going to be like, what? And you're going to want to get in if you're competitive like I am because you're going to want to be one of the ones that get in. Because they don't let everybody in. They really vet people because they create a very unique, highly elevated experience. Okay? And they talk about how and why they created Voluptuous. Okay? And it is because they were a couple, married couple who was looking to have more fun in the bedroom and they wound up at Desire. Not kind of on purpose. Wait to hear the story of how they wound up at Desire. And you know, they kind of had a good time and they talk about what they did and what they didn't do there. And then they went to some strip clubs and some swinger parties and they tried all these other kinds of experiences in the lifestyle and realized there wasn't really a place for them that they were totally into. Right? But they were a couple that wanted to have great sex and have fun. And fun for them is not so much having an orgy or playing with other people, but they do like to be in an environment where they can have great sex with other like minded people. They want to create the exact environment that they, they would enjoy. And that's what they did with Voluptuous. Now Voluptas, I think I said it wrong. They talk about, like I said, their journey first and then you know, how and why they wound up starting it. And then we get very specific about how their events take place. Okay? It's, they're very high end, they're very smart in how they run things and how they work things. Towards the end when we were almost like saying goodbye, these bring up a couple things about the event that they didn't tell me earlier on. So you want to listen all the way to the end because they talk about masks and how you can wear a mask. So nobody talks to you if it's on one side and the mask another side. But their events are, like, super interesting, the way it's set up. They're like black tie. They should talk. They talk about exactly what goes down, how they're run, how to get in and all that kind of good stuff. I was still there was still. It's very mysterious, their club and their community to me, even after I did all my questioning and really talked to them for a long time, I still felt like it's such a mysterious place to belong or be a part of. And, you know you're going to feel the same way, too, and you're going to want to try to get in because not everybody gets in. Like I said, they really vet people and we talk all about the vetting experience. I will put a link to their website, Voluptas. They're also on Instagram. You're gonna learn a lot more about what they're all about on this call than what I just told you. Trust me. I didn't tell you the whole thing. You're gonna have to listen because there's so many specific details and so interesting. I was obsessed with them. I'm obsessed with their whole idea that they put together. And you're going to be obsessed with them, too. So I'm gonna get right to it and be right back on with Jen and Rob.

[Jen]

This is the Strictly Anonymous podcast. Strictly Anonymous podcast.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, hi, Jen and Rob. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you guys?

[Rob]

We're good, thank you.

[Jen]

Hey, we're great, Kathy, thanks for having us.

[Rob]

Listen, you guys, it's a little surreal having you on the other line right now.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Well, listen, what's surreal to me is, first of all, you guys, like, you know, I'm gonna get your backstory, right? But eventually. Because I'm assuming you have a backstory in the world of what I talk about on my show. But eventually, and I don't know for how long, you started something called Voluptas. Am I saying it correct? I practice this, like, 10 times before we get to.

[Rob]

That's correct. Voluptis.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Volupt. Which is a very private exclusive. I don't even know what you want to call it, because it's not a swinging community. It's not a swingers club. You know what I mean? You're gonna have to explain the whole deal. It seems very Exclusive. It's like you kind of. Like, your kind of motto is, like, 95 of the couples won't make it in. I don't know. It's like VIP Only. You got to get in, like, into this community that you guys started. How long did you guys start Voluptis and what is it all about? But then it would just do a quick thing and. And because then I want to go back at your story and we up towards, like, the long story of a loop test. You know what I'm saying?

[Jen]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay.

[Jen]

Absolutely. Kathy, we're going into our third year right now. We could not be happier.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, okay. So it's kind of new, third year. How many couples you have in there now? Do you count? Like, do you like is. Because I know you're like. You don't let everybody in.

[Rob]

No, no, It's. It's. It's very exclusive. We have a little over 100 active right now.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay.

[Rob]

Yeah. So we have a. We have a pretty lengthy vetting process, and there's. There's a reason for that. Obviously, the curation is. Is really part of. Of the product. What is.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay, first of all, what does the word voluptuous mean?

[Rob]

So voluptuous was the Roman goddess. She's actually the daughter of Cupid and Psyche. So she's the personification of love and soul and commitment and desire. So she's really a perfect. Yeah. A perfect representative for. For what we're about.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Interesting. You think the word voluptuous, which I was getting very confused with voluptuous, comes from the word.

[Rob]

From a very beautiful. A very beautiful word. And I believe. I believe it is.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

It probably derives from this. One of these derives from it. Don't you think they said. Because they're so close.

[Rob]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Okay, so. Okay, quick, though. Like, what would. How would you explain voluptas to people?

[Rob]

So we are a private society for happily married couples and married couples who understand that maintaining that growth in their relationship is. Is vital. When something's not growing, it's dying. Right. And the best way to do that is through eroticism. It's the best way, the most fun way. And not all married couples understand that, and our married couples do. We like to say it's the group of the most happily married people you'll ever hope to meet. And guess what they have in common.

[Jen]

They're having the best sex of their lives, whatever that may mean. Between each and every couple, whatever that may mean. But they are having incredible sex. Okay.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay, last question on this. And then we're gonna get your story and then this is, then we're gonna get much more in detailed about this. But like why three years ago did you start Voluptas?

[Rob]

Well, it's because what we wanted didn't exist. I mean, I think that's the most simple reason. And we had some lifestyle kind of adjacen that we can get into. Yeah, we will some other experiences just, just in life. And we thought, you know what would be cool would be this, this and this. And so we started looking for it and couldn't find it anywhere.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh my God. I love how you're still keeping me intrigued and not really telling me anything. And I still don't understand, but I'm gonna get there. And I like, you know, we gotta get there in your story. I like it.

[Rob]

We like to say that, you know, one of the, one of the things is, is so important to us is desire and long term marriage. And one of the elements of desire is, is mystery, mysterious. That all the time we'll take alignment calls with people and they'll say, I have no idea what this is, but it sure looks cool.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh my God. I'm gonna get to the bottom of it. Let's get your story though, you guys, like first of all, how long have you guys been together?

[Jen]

So we are going on our 15th year being married.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay.

[Jen]

So we could not be happier about that. And you know, we are, we are,

[Rob]

yeah, we are just lovers, soulmates, all the cheesy things.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay. And always sex was always great between you two.

[Jen]

Yes, absolutely, Absolutely. Without question. Now I would have to say, obviously, you know, bringing kids into it, careers, other things happening, you know, you can't always put that at the forefront. But I can always say that we always made it intentional to prioritize our marriage and our sex life as well.

[Rob]

Yeah. And I'd say it's also like, it's kind of been a beautiful series of, of baby steps. You know, we, we first we weren't, we weren't one of those couples that immediately go head first into this and that and the other. You know, we, we, we did the, the beautiful making love. And then I think one Christmas we had a dirty Santa. And then it just kind of kept going, kept going from there.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. So let's talk about that journey. Right, so you guys are like open, very communicative couple, both in and out of the bedroom, I'm assuming. And at some time, you know, you guys start discussing maybe doing something that's not so vanilla or maybe going outside of your bedroom and playing Elsewhere, I'm assuming.

[Jen]

Yeah, absolutely. I'd have to say, looking back, it was my 40th birthday.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay.

[Jen]

He looked at me and he said, hey, what do you want to do for your 40th? And I said, I want to go somewhere and be naked and comfortable in my own skin around like minded people. And that was it. That was the start of it for us.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Wait, but wait a second, Jen, did that just come out of nowhere for you?

[Jen]

Absolutely.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Out of nowhere.

[Jen]

Absolutely.

[Rob]

You can imagine me when she said that. I'm feverishly looking at me. Of course my, my mind immediate went to Europe, so I'm looking at, you know, all the different places that I could find in, in Europe thinking about nude beaches and things like this. And we finally settled on, on going to Desire and in Mexico for her 40th.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

And that's a lot more than just being naked on the beach.

[Jen]

Oh, was it? I think at that time is when it opened up all the possibilities and the conversations and then we started to fantasize and then talk about our fantasies and started to communicate on a more deeper, intimate level, which opened up a lot of other conversations and you know, so forth.

[Rob]

You know, I'd say, I'd say something else too. Like when we were there, we just, everybody was so happy and so in love and communicative and it was, it was just an experience that was really eye opening for us.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

So to walk me through that experience, you get there now I know you just want to be naked in front of people. Did, did you guys go further than that or, you know, that, that first trip or did you just like sort of go and be voyeurs and then start talking about everything after that trip?

[Jen]

I, I don't think so. We joined a bunch of forums and so forth. Prior. Okay. You know, prior to, to go into desire and you know, it obviously opened up a lot of conversations for us. Things that were on the table, maybe off the table. You know, we discussed boundaries and so forth. And you, you can only have so many conversations when you're, you've never been exposed that type environment before. I don't think that in quite the environment. Meaning when I said go get naked, I meant go get naked with him. Not exactly the lifestyle type of environment.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Listen, there's, there's a big difference between like a nudist resort and like a swingers resort. You know what I mean? An adult vacation.

[Jen]

Exactly, Kathy. Exactly.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

So go on. So you get there and what goes

[Jen]

down, we get there. We were nervous as, as you can imagine. I mean, like, it was like, oh my God, what have we done? You know? But here we. No intention initially going in to take my clothes off, per se. I was. I'm very reserved and very shy. That goes without question to say. But I got to tell you, the first couple of hours after settling in and seeing everybody else so comfortable in their own skin, despite their shape, their size, their age, it was absolutely infectious. And the next thing you know, off my clothes went and it was just all. It was all downhill from there.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

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[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Where. How far down did you guys go? You know what I'm saying?

[Jen]

Not far enough.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

But I mean, it's your first time and you didn't go there with any intention to, like, do any kind of hookups with other people. Did you wind up doing any of that kind of stuff or just like, getting it on in front of people? Like, how far did you guys go? Like, how much further than being naked in front of people did you go if you did.

[Rob]

We had some time together, you know, if people who. Who are out there know the. The resort, the hot tub gets kind of fun in the afternoon. We had some time, just her and I alone on that, and we enjoyed the. The kind of exhibitionist scene and that sort of thing.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah. So you hooked up in front of people, but you didn't play with other people at all when you were there that time?

[Jen]

Exactly.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay.

[Jen]

Exactly.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay. Did you get off on seeing other people? Because I'm assuming besides like, being little exhibitionist, when you're there, if you have any kind of voyeur inside of you, you could. You know, you're seeing a lot of stuff going on as well.

[Rob]

You know, I'd say for me, it was just more the. The comfort level that everybody had with being. Being naked. It was just a really. It wasn't like. It wasn't like a sexual thing. It was like, interesting. A beautiful human being thing.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Listen, I've been to a nude beach, and I get that vibe from the nude beach. You know what I mean? It's kind of like you notice people less. Their bodies less when they're all naked. Everyone's. It sort of evens the playing field in a very weird way. And everyone looks very natural and it's this very, you know, interesting experience. But you are in a place where there's a lot of sex going on too. So I just wonder what you guys are thinking about all of that.

[Jen]

That was. That was a lot. That was a lot to take in for my pure eyes. I don't think I was personally prepared for it.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

I don't understand why you guys wound up.

[Jen]

What's that?

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

I don't know why you guys wound up at Desire instead of like a nudist beach down the street.

[Rob]

Well, we don't take baby steps, obviously.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

So what kind of conversations did you have after that show?

[Rob]

Well, it was a lot about like, the things that we liked, the things that we didn't like. It definitely expanded our, our boundaries and kind of the things that we were, we were thinking of, but it also was kind of laying the foundation for things that, that we didn't like as well, you know, and things that if, if we could do it on our own, we, we, we do it a little differently, a little bit different environment and, and that sort of thing.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay, so I mean, let me just ask you this because maybe I don't remember in your emails. I get tons of emails and I never read through anything because I'm just going to get all the information when I talk to people. Do you wind up playing with other people down the line at some point?

[Jen]

No.

[Rob]

And that's kind of our interesting story, I would say.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, okay. I like that. I don't, I don't mind a story of people that are having fun without opening up their marriage and hooking up with other people because I think there's a lot of people that probably listen to my show that are living vicarious through other people that maybe would never wanna, you know, maybe be with other people, but they want to spice things up. Right, right.

[Rob]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Jen]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Which I love, I love those kind of things. So you went there, you saw all this stuff. You still though, like, I mean, and what's interesting is it was kind of in your face, but you both knew, like, we don't want to do that and we don't want to go there. Correct?

[Rob]

Yeah, but we also, you know, we, we had those times where we're still trying to, to be exploratory. And I remember one night we were in Vegas outside of a, A class, like a sex club or something, and we're kind of watching people go in and we're sitting in the car. Nerv. I don't think I want that and I don't know about that. And we ended up driving away and that was another layer of our experience.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Why did you drive away?

[Rob]

It just didn't seem like it would be something that would meet our level of expectation. If I could say that.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I got it. Okay, but when you got back from desire, like, did being there and being in that, like, environment, like, make you think of other things to do?

[Jen]

I, I would have to say being, being there, we learn more. I Think it made us think about things that we did not want versus the things that we did want.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[Jen]

Some time. Yeah, time to figure that out. I mean, don't get me wrong, we had a incredible time at desire. We've even been back once, once. Afterwards we have some wonderful friends that are deeper into the lifestyle that we absolutely love and, and I can't say enough of good things, you know, about them. But it def. Made us come back and say, hey, what did that do for our relationship, our, our sexual journey that we're on together? Did that turn us on? Why didn't it turn us on? You know, it just opened up a level of conversation to let us know that while desire was fun and amazing, it was definitely more of that spring break, you know, kind of like woo vibe. We wanted something more elevated is what we figured out. More luxurious, more with the like minded married couples who have amazing marriages but want them to be elite and they want to have sex together and you know, push their own boundaries, whatever that may mean, without committing to, you know, the hierarchy of the, of the lifestyle, of that language, so to speak.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

So it wasn't like we don't ever want to play with other people. It was more so maybe we would, but it wouldn't be in, in that kind of circumstance. Circumstance.

[Jen]

Exactly, exactly. We had not ruled that completely out at that point.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, okay, interesting. And what's great is that you were both on the same page, right? Because like, you never know, right? Like Rob could have been like, oh my God, I, this is like, this is, I found my people, you know what I mean? But you both like felt the same, which I think is great.

[Jen]

You are so right. And you know what? We. One thing that I can tell you, a huge thing that we took away from desire was you always have to move and at the speed of the slower partner in this type of situation, it does you no favors pushing one, you know, further than they're ready to go and so forth. It bonds you better and deeper and you're, you have a better chance of getting your partner to open up by being patient with them and moving at their speed.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Right. Now did you go to other places? Like did you ever wind up going to swingers clubs or other kinds of places to. So that you could really know for sure that none of those places were right for you besides Desire.

[Jen]

Yes, we have, we've been to several different lifestyle adjacent events, gatherings, parties, so forth. So we definitely, you know, had our eyes open and our minds open to see what you Know what we, what we might be willing to try.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay, so walk me through some of those experiences.

[Rob]

So, yeah, some were just with friends that, that we had known and you know, little like I would say kind of house parties. The experience, like the sex club thing that we kind of drove up and. And then ended up leaving. There was a. I'm going back to Vegas again. Another time in Vegas where we attended sort of a lifestyle. I guess it would be like a meet and greet. Right. Like everybody is kind of lifestyle like there and then it just wasn't, it wasn't really organized in a way. You know, you didn't really talk to anybody. It was just, it was just awkward for me anyway. Yeah. And.

[Jen]

And also I gotta say this too, you know, thinking about it now, something that's really important to us that we found out along, along the way and that we hear every single one of our members that we align with and that's a part of the voluptuous society is they want connection. They want connection. Not that transactional kind of environment where you go there to do a thing. People want connection. And that was missing in our journey as well.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

But it is interesting that you guys say that you didn't want to really play with other people. You knew that, but you kept going to these kind of place, like you kept going to like lifestyle events and places, trying to find a place where you fit in. Like, what do you think you were looking for?

[Rob]

Yeah, I don't know. I think sometimes we were just, we were just. Look, we were, we were. I think it was that thing like I. We believe you have to keep growing in your marriage. And so we were always looking for that next little edge to give us that little high, you know, the, that I can't believe we did that secret that, that you share as a married couple that's so beautiful that the world doesn't even know about. And I mean, we tried everything. I mean we went to, we went to, I think every strip club we'd go to and you know, be like, well, that didn't do it for us. And we, I mean we really tried everything.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh my God. So none of these places turned you on?

[Jen]

They didn't. They didn't. They just did not have that elevated type of environment, that eroticism that we were looking for. I mean, you know, what we go for with, with the loop disc, I'm going to tell you right now is more that James Bond meets 50 Shades of Gray type of atmosphere, that type of sexual erotic energy. It's almost like you can't make it up and shit's happening out of a movie, so to speak.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. But does voluptas put. Put on events?

[Rob]

Yes, we put on experiences.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay, so now let me ask you this. And this is kind of getting to the end of the story, but I'm gonna get right back to the middle of it. But like, you know, if you guys have created the perfect vibe for you guys. Right, exactly what you were looking for, the more elevated experience with the people that are very like minded. Right. Because you're vetting these people like crazy. How come they're happy? Has still been no hookups with other couples between us. Yes.

[Rob]

Yeah. And I think that's a, that's a great question and it really has a lot to do with, with voluptuous itself. Is that not, is not something that we aspire to. It's not that turns us on like we're humans are so. I mean, I don't need to tell you, everybody's so different and what they're into and, and their secrets and their fantasies and all this kind of stuff. And that just will was. It's, it's sort of like this implied hierarchy of, you know, that's the, the top rung or the top level that you're supposed to reach. And we kind of, we kind of don't agree with that. And, and because that's not, that's not us, we want a really crazy, charged, erotic, unbelievable atmosphere. But it doesn't need to result in, in that.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay, but does it result for other people in that? Or is it a, is it a place where couples don't play with others, but they get to be sexy in a, like, I'm trying to get like exactly what you're offering.

[Rob]

Yeah. So I mean, I think that the easiest way we like to explain it to people is that we create a very intentional and elevated erotic container for our married couples to play in. And that means so many different things to so many different people.

[Jen]

Right.

[Rob]

That some, some like to just come and be voyeurs and absorb the energy. Others like to come and be. Be visually witnessed. And so it really just depends on the couple and what their fantasies are and what they're into.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

But do some people like to other people and have swaps?

[Rob]

You know, it's like, does that go on?

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

That's what I'm trying to get to.

[Rob]

The atmosphere is extremely erotic. And a lot of times couples do find themselves surprised at their level of, of openness in an environment like that.

[Sponsor Voice]

Right.

[Rob]

And yeah, of course there are shared Connections. Yeah, but the, the difference is that's, that's never expected and it's not really the point.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I get it, I get it. But I think, you know, it's. There's nothing wrong with like letting people know that, that it, like, it is kind of open to where, however far people have to want to go. And some people do go a lot farther than maybe you guys go. I'm curious, but I just want to get a little specific with you guys. Why have you decided not to ever cross those lines?

[Rob]

It's just not something that turns us on.

[Jen]

Right.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

So being with other people, like you're just like very monogamous. Like you're not interested in being with other people.

[Jen]

Yeah, yeah, exactly where we're not interested in being with other people. Now that's not to say that could not change over time because we're also, you know, able to play within our own container as well. And we want to push our boundaries and so forth too. But it's not something that's within our, you know, our fantasy bucket list to speak or, or whatnot. It's just, it's just. Yeah, like he said, it's not really what turns us on. He says the thing that turns him on the most about, you know, like me is my up mine. Because I say some crazy, but that doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, I plan to live them all out.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, that's fun. So at these events, I mean, I'm just like, walk. So how many do you have a year?

[Rob]

Say that again.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

How many events do you have a year? Is like, is the club something, Something more than just the. Or like, let me try and think. What, what?

[Jen]

Hey, I got to tell you, we have been just, I mean, just wow, this the past eight months. I, when we started, we started with several small gatherings throughout the year. Two years ago this year, we had planned for four. And I don't know what in the hell happened about eight months ago, but it's social media and it just went crazy. And so now we went from four to having six with two deeper experiences, which is going to be more, you know, retreat style where we spend a certain amount of days with a smaller group of married couples doing fucked up erotic shit during that time. So we're hosting two of those this year as well. So six opportunities for people, couples to join us for a gathering or weekend experience and then two for a deeper experience.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Where do these weekend experiences take place?

[Rob]

They actually take place in locations that our members themselves vote on. On. You know, one of the elements of desire is, is novelty. And so having our couples have the ability to, to travel to a different destination is, is kind of part of the experience and it's it make, make an entire weekend out of it.

[Podcast Host (Ad Reader)]

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[Jen]

And usually it's more plausible deniability cities, you know, L.A. new York, Chicago, Miami. But I can tell you this, most of our, most of our members, hey, they've been to those cities but never under these circumstances. So they still get that novelty out aspect.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Now are, are do these take place in like penthouse suites and high end hotels? Do they take place, do you rent a, you know, a beautiful apartment exclusive in these cities? Like where's the actual physical event?

[Jen]

Yeah, absolutely. So it's all dependent on the city. Obviously. We've posted in penthouses, we've done mansions, we have done a villa as well before.

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[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Right, and so you have 100 members. How many people typically show up to the. Because I'm assuming not everybody goes to all of the events. How many people typically show up at an event?

[Jen]

Yeah, absolutely. So the, the invitations, once we release them, we usually. Let's just use Vegas for an example. Yes, we just finished that up about a month. We had 28 incredible, incredibly beautiful couples join us. We released invitations. Boom, they were gone, like, instantaneously. So we do. We try to do things on the smaller end because we want it to be more intimate. It's a huge commitment to say, hey, you know, financially, invest in this, leave your families, leave your jobs, emotionally invest and come here and let's have a nightclub club experience where it's so saturated that you won't ever be able to grow your marriage sexually. So we keep them on the smaller side with intention. It's done intentionally.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

And how do you keep these parties going, you know, considering that there is a vibe you like to create and an atmosphere? You said it's kind of like 50 shades of gray meets a something or other. You know, how do you have, you know, someone running events while during the event, you know, like, is it just like a cocktail party and. And people get to do and be fluid and do whatever they want? Like, how is it run?

[Rob]

Well, it all starts. We discovered that when the woman is comfortable, all kinds of crazy things can happen.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

There you go.

[Rob]

All of our experiences start. Jennifer actually will host a brunch or A luncheon. And only the women who are going to be attending, the wives, go to the brunch and lunch, and they get to know each other. Yeah.

[Jen]

Because what happens is you remove us from our husbands in that environment, put us in an intimate space together, get us dressed up, let us feel feminine and beautiful and realize that we're not just dressing up for each other, it's also for ourselves and that we're there happily married, we want to have incredible sex with our spouse, and there's no shame, no judgment. And what tends to happen is we get a lot of confidence from that time we spent together prior to stepping into the gathering that evening. And we also feel very sexually empowered and, you know, aroused, so to speak, from that time that we get to spend together.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, I love that. And that happens like the night before.

[Rob]

Nope, that happens the day. Yeah. And what's really. What's really cool is so now the women are going into the evening, and they already know half the people in the room and are comfortable with them. So it really kind of plays with that energy.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, that's very smart. That's very smart. So walk me through an event. So everyone shows up. You. It's not too big. Big. It's very exclusive.

[Rob]

Yeah. We have a very elevated dress code prior to any event. You know, half the fun is the anticipation. Everybody knows that. Yeah. So. So.

[Jen]

And getting dressed up for each other. I mean, look at us. We're in T shirts and just sitting in here, just hanging out with you, Kathy. And, you know, we don't all get a chance to put a tux and a gown on. And slinky lingerie.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I love that. So it isn't. So what is the dress code?

[Rob]

Usually? Black tie or similar, depending on the venue. Yeah, a lot of tuxedos, gowns, cocktail dresses, just dependent velvet jackets, that sort of thing.

[Sponsor Voice]

Love it.

[Rob]

And the idea is that you also feel worthy of desire. You feel desirable. So you're in this space that maybe you never thought you'd be in. You're holding hands with your spouse. You're dressed in, presenting to each other like you never have before.

[Jen]

She feels incredibly aroused and confident from the day, the morning, the women spent

[Rob]

together, so elegant and beautiful. But you're here under certain circumstances, which is. Which is really fun.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

How are the people before we get into, like, you know, when they walk in, what's going down? Like, how are. Like, how are people vetted to get in? Is it like, you know, are there a lot of different requirements? Like, is it age? Is it look, you know, do they have to send pictures? I mean, I know some high end places in New York where they vetted with a lot in a lot of different ways.

[Rob]

Yeah, we, we do have an introduction process where people go online and you know, answer a few questions and submit a graph. And if it's, if it's somebody we're interested in meeting, they actually schedule a zoom call with us. And we do a call over zoom with each and every single couple that's part of the society. So no one actually gets in without talking personally to us.

[Jen]

And it's, we call it an alignment call. It's, it's, it's so we can not only feel aligned with the potential couple that would be joining us, but they feel aligned with us. And also, you know what they've learned about voluptas on the alignment call call.

[Sponsor Voice]

Right.

[Rob]

Yeah. I mean our, our goal is, is marriage and strong marriages. And so we want our couples to be able to get off and talk about it and say, hey, is this gonna, is this gonna be helpful for our marriage with where we are right now? That's really important to us.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

But I would assume you don't talk to every single person who sends in a submission. Right. Like what is on the initial form that, you know, what do people have to do to actually get on a call with you? Because by the time they're on a call with you, they're pretty much like you, you, you vetted them even before. And what is that process like before that call?

[Rob]

We have a huge belief that if you're not intentional in other areas of your life, you're probably not intentional in your marriage. So when people write, you know, really silly, quick responses, put no effort into it, or they want to use this

[Jen]

to, you know, fix their marriage or they're having problems and so forth. That's, those aren't our people.

[Rob]

And even, even a photograph, you know, some couples will send in a, they'll take time and send in a beautiful, elegant photograph. And other people, it's a selfie in the bathroom. And it's just, you know, being intentional is, is, is says a lot about you in all aspects of your life.

[Jen]

Yeah. And it's not like we're out here, you know, rooting for, for hotness, so to speak, Kathy. Or anything. We want the total package. That's what we want. It's about showing up for each other. How intentional are they during the application process? Process when we actually have the time that we spend with them on the alignment call? Are they showing up together. What questions are they asking? You know, is, is, is, is she sitting there saying nothing and it looks like he's pushing her? Well, those aren't our people. You know, like there, there's, there's just not. We're not trying to fix a marriage. We're trying to again, take great marriages and make them elite. That's what we want.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

So people do have to fill out a questionnaire ahead of time. Right, and that's when they submit with that questionnaire or their photo as well.

[Rob]

Yeah, exactly right. How many questions we actually go through? Each and every one of those generally goes through each of those personally.

[Jen]

And I reach out personally as well and even go back and forth with any, you know, questions if they need more clarity prior to booking a phone call. So they're always talking to me directly via text message.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

How many questions on your questionnaire?

[Rob]

That's a good question. I think there's about, I think there's about seven. A lot of them are kind of like multiple choices and then three actually ask you to. That's not a lot.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Only seven.

[Rob]

Taught and put your own, put your own words to it.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Only seven.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay, that's interesting. That's not a lot. And then a picture people submit and then you say, I mean, I don't know, I saw some place where like, you know, you don't, like 95% of the couples don't get in. How many people like that submit? You know, what's the percentage of people that submit a questionnaire that actually wind up on a call from you? Like I could. Because I'm assuming there's drop off at every step of the way before they make it to an event. Right?

[Rob]

Yes, of course. And I mean, I think we've had 20 some thousand applications and, you know, probably 300 calls, so I can't do that math in my head, but wow, it's a pretty small number.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Out of seven questions, like, you people could just get disqualified like that easily.

[Rob]

Oh, Kathy, you wouldn't believe what people say.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

You actually can because you know what? No, you know what? I just did a dick pick contest on my discord. There was like a. I do an annual dick pick contest, by the way, and I got to critique every single one of them. It's like hour and a half episode on my discord that I do. And like, let me tell you people how they complain. Like, like I'm so picky. It's like you're winning $300 for this picture. Like if you just like took A picture in your dirty room. Like, how is that going to be? How could you be a winner?

[Rob]

Like, I'm the same like you being intentional.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

You got to take your, you want to win a contest, that's the best of. You gotta like be, take, be intentional. Take your time. Like, this has to be a real. You know what I mean? Like, that's, that's what it takes to win a contest. You should see how people are like criticizing me of how picky I am. It's like a contest, but the same thing.

[Jen]

Sound like us about our members. Yes, you sound like us about our members because we are picky about who joins the members that we have have as a part of our society right now. I'm not in some effort, put in some effort.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

What are the typical things that like, are just the big red flags that are like, immediately you're like, no way.

[Rob]

A lot of times when, when couples. This sounds kind of crazy, but it's kind of how they're sitting in the room, they come on the zoom camera and sometimes the, you know, one person will be front and center and the other is kind of back in the dark corner and not saying anything. That's definitely a red flag.

[Jen]

Yeah, definitely. Now we do, we do give them time to obviously warm up because we all again, move at different speeds and so forth and, and whatnot. But a lot of times, typically what you see is there's no change in the body language or, or any shift in that area. And then what we do at that point is we immediately eject. We have to, we want to protect our time and also their time as well, because obviously time's the most precious thing that any of us have. And we don't want to work waste anybody's by any means.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I could imagine. And so do you have like an age requirement, A time of like, you know, how long you've been married? Like, no newbies, no old people, no young people? Like, are there any kind of things you follow when it comes to those things?

[Rob]

You know, it's such a good question. And it's, it's been really interesting because it's, it's really been kind of self selection. I'd say the bell curve curve of our average, the age of our, our members is, you know, 45 to 55, if you were thinking of a bell curve. Now we do have, we do have some, some in shape, gorgeous members in, in their 60s and we have, we have some in our third in their 30s as well. But I would say the, the majority is that and Most. I think 99 of our members have been married at least 15 years. These are really committed married couples.

[Jen]

Couples, yeah.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. That's interesting, and I love that. Listen, I have plenty of newbie stories on my show, but most of the time I'm talking to people who have been together for a really long time, you know, and either they've been doing it for a long time or they, you know, wound up opening up after a long time. And I love those stories the most because it just goes to show that most of the time, you know, that sort of foundation of being together for a long time is like a great thing to have going in. Right. And I would assume for you guys vetting people, that says a lot about those couples, because you don't want the couple coming in that have no experience or are going to flip out if they're at a place and they don't know how to handle themselves.

[Jen]

Right, exactly. You know, that's a great thing to say. You know, that's another red flag is if the word jealousy comes up. If you're jealous, then that means you've not had the conversations that you need to have to make it to this point. So revisit us when you've gotten there.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Oh, my God. So. So the couple comes in, everyone's decked to the nines. The guys are in. You know, like you said, it's like black tie. The women could wear lingerie or they wear, like, their black tie, too. And then they get. They. As the night goes on, changes.

[Rob]

Yeah. As the evening goes on.

[Jen]

So we.

[Rob]

We have arrival process. So our arrivals are. Are staggered. So everybody kind of gets a journey. We tell a story, really, in an arc. I'd say the best way to think about it is an erotic, elevated art gallery opening. In other words, we're not your. We don't have a dance floor. We don't have stripper poles. We usually have live. We usually have live string music of some sort.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, nice.

[Rob]

And we also will have humans, art installations, human bodies doing things in certain corners of the room. And it's interesting because they're not. Not performances. You don't sit there and watch and clap. They. They're just sort of happening and you notice them. And those stories, as the night goes on, get more provocative and a little more. A little more interesting and kind of heat up the room.

[Jen]

Turn you on. Some people can't figure out why, but, you know, they're. They're there to. To turn you on.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Where did you find those people?

[Rob]

We Find them. We dig deep. That's part of the work. Right.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

You must enjoy it to be doing.

[Podcast Host (Ad Reader)]

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[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

I mean obviously you like to put this all together because it sounds intensive. I mean to. Because you're going to different cities, right. So you have to. In each new city you have to find these kinds of people in the background. As you know, besides putting the whole thing together to create the whole event,

[Rob]

it's, it's a tremendous amount of work. But you know, after our most recent one and the way our couples responded and just. I just love them all and it was just such a beautiful, wonderful experience that recharges your batteries, right? You kind of get, you get drained doing all the hard work and then all of a sudden you get your batteries recharged.

[Jen]

Yeah, they all go home with a sex high and we're just going on a members high.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh my God. So, so the people arrive, you have live music, but it's like high end like you said. I wonder what those people think of what the going on in these places. Right.

[Rob]

Like you know, well, you know, something really important is everybody, staff and all of our members, members, all are required to sign an NDA prior to being in the venue.

[Jen]

So also as well all privacy and discretion and safety is utmost important to us as well our members before ever attending a gathering or experience, they are required to sign NDAs and privacy documents. There's also never any type of photography allowed. We have spaces before they ever fully enter a venue that they put their devices and get their own key and that way they can retrieve their vices. Devices on exiting the venue.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I love that. But if I was like a violinist, you know, hired to come to your event, I would have like a million questions. I know I would not be able to ask them and I know I would not be able to talk about it, but I know those people are sitting there like what the fuck's going on here?

[Rob]

This. Jennifer and I are so. Jennifer and I are so handsome. On is probably the wrong term in this circumstance. Yeah, but we're, we're so hands on that we actually, you know, speak to them. Yeah. Meaning like they know what we're about. They're, they're comfortable with what we're about. They believe in what we do as well.

[Jen]

And most of them beg to come. I can imagine part of other experiences, gatherings, even though it's in different cities.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, there you go. Right. So they are, they are, they do like, they're not like just there as robots. I mean they are like curious and into It. And. Right. Thinking about what's going on here, which

[Rob]

makes it more real.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I love.

[Jen]

So it's interesting. Once the. So once the erotic art installations have come to a crescendo and then the staff and everyone begins to, you know, leave the venue, that's when the women will change into our lingerie and the men as well, assuming they brought something, you know, different to. To change into. But I'll tell you, the staff, they're never happy to leave. They always want to stay.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, I can imagine. Again, is there food in that beginning part?

[Rob]

No, we don't. We don't do food. Like, as the evening goes on, we put out a board, you know, things to nourish people. But that's definitely later.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Honestly, between me and you, I think it's gross to have food.

[Rob]

Oh, you are speaking our language. We have a saying. Eating is gross.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I just.

[Jen]

When it comes to sex.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Jen]

I never get it.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

And I hear the weirdest things that people are putting. I just think it's like, I would not be. Be interested in that at a place at all. So I think it's great that you don't. Is there alcohol involved?

[Rob]

Yeah, we do have an open bar. Okay. At. At our. At our events and bartending staff and that sort of thing. So there's, you know, predominantly champagne and some cocktails, white wine. We don't do. We think beer is kind of, you know, sexy, so we don't do beer either.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, my God. I like the way you guys roll. Okay, so wait, so all. All the staff leaves, and now it's time for people to relax more, like in or get changed. What is the deal? Like, what do you tell people?

[Rob]

Once. Once the staff leaves portions of the venue that weren't open earlier, like, say, a door or velvet rope or something like that, they're now open and available, and we. We call that our erotic field. And so at that point, the erotic field is open, open. And it's just. More often than not, it's just sort of an organic thing where you. You. You blink your eye, and all of a sudden, everybody's in lingerie and the lights are dim and the. The music is on, and it smells

[Jen]

like sex in the air, and it's just incredible and just delicious and like, a total beautiful mind. Really?

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Wow. And I'm assuming that you don't need to, like, give people rules and regulations, like, all. Because all these people are vetted. I assume they all know, like, what is the deal walking into these places and everything that you're not ever having to like tell people what they can and cannot do. Correct.

[Rob]

Yeah. And again, it's sort of our, our, I would maybe call it our, our self selection a little bit. You know, these are married people. Fifteen years. They, they kind of have their shit together. Obviously they're professional and, and so, you know, if, if it's something that they want to organize, you know, be a part of and, and you know, it's, it's something they can, they can enjoy.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

So you don't feel like you're ever having to babysit people because you're not just letting people in off the street.

[Rob]

That's exactly, exactly. And we're only married people, so there's never, there's never singles. So, you know, you're always, you always come with, with your spouse, you leave with your spouse. We know every single person personally, obviously over, over zoom and you know, repeat guests and members and things like that. So it's a, it's a really, it's a really curated and interesting atmosphere.

[Jen]

Yeah. And another thing to kind of throw out there, I think that's important to mention is that when we, we release our invitations for any upcoming, upcoming gathering or experience, once they're fully committed to and they're no longer available, we open up a private space within the society. So that way all of the members, they know who's coming, they have the opportunity to get to know one another. We had some that in Vegas made plans together for Marea and went and rented cabanas and spent all Friday hanging out getting to know one another. We have some that are now traveling together, you know, that's met through the, through the society. So it's not all about just the, the gatherings and the, the experience as well. There's a whole element on the society online to it too. Right.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Which is your website. There's a portal that people are inside of once they, they're allowed in. Correct. So. And people have access to each other as well.

[Podcast Host (Ad Reader)]

Exactly.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Right. I love that. And so these retreats, these are, that's something new. Correct. Like, and so that's something that you haven't started yet. You're doing your first one coming up or you have done them.

[Jen]

Yeah, exactly. I'm hosting a women's feminine retreat here in Montana in August. So it will be the first one I've done. It's completely committed to. I could not be happier with this beautiful, incredible, sexy group of women that we get to spend four days together, together in the mountains just learning more about our sexuality, our fantasies Our desires and, and, and, and so forth. So that's women only. We have our couples deeper experience coming up in October and that is actually in hill country.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

And how long these retreats are weekend long. They're the whole weekend. Correct.

[Jen]

There's four days.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Four days.

[Jen]

The deeper experiences and the women's experience is a four day time that we'll spend together as far as the gatherings are concerned, which is the ones that we, that we do more often. Those are more of a weekend like a two day type of experience.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Those events that we just talked about

[Jen]

independent and time of year.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

The ones we just talked about. Right, yeah, those two days. Oh, okay. I love it. How long do they last for? How many hours?

[Rob]

Till everybody leaves. Leaves.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

So you never know. Right. Okay. So from like, you know, what time do the doors open?

[Rob]

Our arrival windows are typically from 8 to 9 local time.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, get it. Okay, cool. And your retreats do you have, I mean, listen, what is your goal? I mean, it's obviously not to get, you know, tons of people in there. You're not, you're, you're right. I mean, like, do you want to, is it, do you have a cap amount of people that you want to let in? I mean, you are coming at my pocket podcast and opening up to a lot of people that are going to want to get in. Like what is your deal as far as like what you're looking and how far you want to or how big you want to grow?

[Rob]

Yeah, it's a really good question because, you know, with scale, obviously, you know, you don't want to lose that curation. So yeah, we, we definitely intend to stay on the, on the smaller, more curated side for sure. It's not like we have a number in mind. I mean at some point you have to have, have enough experiences where everybody's enjoying the, the, the fruits of being part of it. So you're, you're definitely capped at that. And I don't really ever see us outsourcing anything because it's really not, not who we are.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, but you can, I mean, listen, there's a place called Sanctum. I'm sure you've heard of it, right?

[Rob]

Yes, of course, of course.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Did you ever go to check it out? Because it sounds like, I mean, they, you know, I had the woman on who puts on all the events that take place, place, and they are very exclusive and have a certain vibe, but yet it's like, you know, a, a much bigger experience than you're doing. But I think that they're able to Keep the vibe the way they want it through their process. I mean, you could certainly have a thousand people if you. And do the same thing you're doing on a bigger scale, even though you're. Now you're doing it with a hundred people. Don't you think?

[Jen]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I just. I think for us, it's just more about the right people, like he said, less of a number. We definitely just want to make the best decision and be very, very protectful and mindful of the group that we've already. That we're already curating. So it's definitely, you know, Kathy, it

[Rob]

makes it so much harder, you know, when you. When you have this experience and you share it with these lovely couples and. And you just. You're such amazing people. You. You're so protective over them now.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. I mean, do they not want you to grow? Do they want to just to keep it the way that it is? Like, I mean, you could be in, like, a weird position at some point. You know what I mean? Because maybe some people just want to keep it small, but maybe you guys want to grow it. I don't know. Do you? I'm assuming you're monetizing it in some way.

[Rob]

Well, the thing is, is we have careers outside of this, and this really started as. As a passion project for us. So it's not. It's not something that we. We look at through the lens of, you know, how are we making money or are we making money? I mean, you know, for the example, you know, sanctum. They. They, from what I understand, you know, the single guys kind of make up a lot of the. The revenue. And we don't have the single guys who are willing to pay to be, you know, who want, you know, that's just not our. Not our vibe and not what our product is.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah, but you people pay, right? Obviously you're not paying for all of this out of your pocket. Correct. Do people pay a membership to be in the club as well as to go to the events as a separate thing?

[Rob]

Thing, yeah, exactly. There's a. There's a little monthly membership fee to. To be part of the society. And then obviously only in. Invitations are only available to members of the society. And then each experience is kind of priced again based on the venue, where we are, what city, that sort of thing. Like, obviously New York is expensive, so I don't need to tell you that.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, my God. I know. $37 burger, no sides. I tell my friend how much I pay for a burger.

[Rob]

We'll have our next one in Europe in your, in your, in your space.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, my God. So you are, so you're looking for more. You're always open for more couples to join, correct? You have only about a hundred. And you've been doing this for three years. That's how picky you are, quote unquote. Which I think makes it more like, I don't know, for somebody that might like a challenge. Like, I'm not kind of person that people are going to like, want to get in just to be the ones that get in. Do you know what I mean? I mean, because you've been doing it three years. Only a hundred. 100 couples inside, right?

[Jen]

Only 100. But I gotta tell you, the majority of them has come from the last eight months. That's like when we've seen the most growth.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

How come, did you start going on podcasts? Did you start promoting?

[Rob]

No, we've never done anything like that. We just. Someone said, hey, why don't you have an Instagram last summer? And we thought, well, okay. And so we started an Instagram last summer and that's our only social media channel. And it just kind of, kind of, kind of blew up.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Really? Just from the Instagram?

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

And you've talked about a lot of lifestyle friends that you have. Is it, is it couples that you've met through the, this club that you guys have created? I don't know what you call it.

[Rob]

The, the couples that, in lifestyle, I'd say most of them were like people we met at Desire.

[Jen]

Yeah, at Desire, for sure.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. No, I love it. How do people are gonna. I mean, I feel like I'm slightly obsessed with you guys and this whole, whole experience that you guys have created in this whole world that you created in this club, I think it's such a, a specific niche and I think it's like really appealing. Right. And you know, people are going to want to know, how do they find you, how do they apply, how do they get in? So why don't you give all your shout outs and I'll put a link to your website or your Instagram, whatever you want me to put a link in, Just give me that for my, for the podcast description. So anyone driving right now, don't worry, like, whatever they're going to give you, I'll put a link down.

[Rob]

Yeah, we're on Instagram, we're at Club Voluptis. And our, our website is just club voluptis.com and you can learn more about us there. Probably Instagram is the best place to go. We have a lot of stuff on, on our stories, and a lot of the stuff we do is also backed by data and science. And, and so it's cool to go on there and say, hey, this, this is real stuff. This isn't, you know, this is, this is what couples should be doing.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

What do you mean? What kind of science that you guys look into or that you guys are, like, following?

[Rob]

Well, everything from, you know, your, your neurons fire when you observe sexual arousal in others, so your brain actually can't. It can't distinguish between experiencing it and actually witnessing it.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Really?

[Rob]

We, yeah, we take a lot of these things into account. And then especially things like women's arousal, again, telling that story, women's comfort going into the evening. So they're sort of primed and programmed even before they show up. We're not just throwing people in a room with a bunch of mattresses and saying, here, have fun.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

No, you're really like, right. You know the science behind it. And you're taking all of that into consideration and you realize, taking all that into consideration that you don't need a mattress and people to pile on to have a great experience. Right. Maybe it's even a hotter experience the way you're putting it together. Right.

[Rob]

Very cerebral.

[Jen]

Yeah, very.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Yeah. For that, that kind of person. And there's plenty of people. I mean, there's so many more that you. There's tons of couples are going to want to get into your club. I feel like you're going to be in a thousand soon.

[Rob]

You know, I was driving along listening to you, and I never thought to reach out. I mean, we've listened to you forever and you said something, you said, well, hey, not everybody identifies as that. And I thought, like, light bulb went off. Yeah, not everybody identifies as a swinger. They, they, they, they. They want something erotic, but they don't want a strip club. They don't want to go to a sex club. They. But they want something beautiful and elevated and elegant.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I love that. And I love having people on that aren't so hardcore. You know what I mean?

[Sponsor Voice]

Or.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

And that maybe haven't ever crossed the line because I feel like the majority of people are never going to want to maybe open up their relationship. Right. So I feel like it's more relatable in a way, a of people lot of times. I mean, listen, my show grew and got an audience from having like, all these hardcore people that are very extreme that do all these kinds of things. But now that I do seven episodes a week, I get to. I. I like to show all kinds of different ways for couples to have fun. And I know that there are plenty of people listening to my show that are living vicariously, and I know that plenty of people that are just wired to be monogamous and maybe don't want to get into an orgy or do any. Any of the kind of things that people are doing on my show, but they want to have a spicier love, like sex life with their partner. Right. They're more or more elevated experience. So I love to offer all kinds of stories that appeal to all kinds of people. And I think what you guys are doing is. Is very appealing probably to a lot of more people than just a regular swingers club experience.

[Jen]

Yeah. I get. Without questioning, you know what? Right. Just to kind of like tie this into the conversation. Another thing that we realized too, through our journey is that we all have things that we're into. Let's call it kinks. Like, your kink might not be my kink, but, you know, we all have our own kinks. It doesn't mean that we have to share the same kinks, which is, you know, part of the. The beauty of it. We're respectful and we love that there are people out there, you know, having the best sex of their lives, whatever that may mean, enjoying their kinks with whomever that may mean. And that's life. It's beautiful and it's, you know, we only get one.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. And listen, you're. You're a couple who just, you know, you've kind of really looked around, you had experiences in a lot of different places, and you have now created a place that is exactly what you like. You guys say were looking for it and you couldn't find. So it. Like if there's. You, like they always say, like, where there's one, there's many. And it's very true. Like, if you guys existed and couldn't find, find the perfect place, but created it, it means that there's so many other people out there looking for exactly what Voluptas is. Did I say it right?

[Jen]

Got it.

[Rob]

Yeah, you said it's that. That's true. And it's. It surprised us. We thought, wow, there. There are a lot of happily married

[Jen]

couples so that want to have incredible sex. They want to push boundaries in their. In their marriage, sexually and erotically.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Right. But maybe they don't want to go the route out of like a swinger club or a hotel takeover or, you know, a house party. Right. It's something different A little bit more elevated, which I love.

[Jen]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. You have some that are so new, and they've never done anything. We're the first point of contact with them. Something happened on their social media, the algorithm. We showed up. This looks amazing. And then, boom, they're on a virtual, you know, zoom call with us, and they're saying, we've never done anything at all in our relationship. This is our first step. And so to. To have that gift that people are entrusting that with us, given what we've built, is absolutely, undeniably humbling. It's. It's amazing.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

But I also think the fact that you guys haven't ever kind of played with other people or have been involved in an orgy or a gang bang probably makes all. All those people feel very safe, do you know what I mean? Because you guys are, like, running this whole thing and you guys never took it to that extreme. So I feel like it would make it very safe to, like, newbie couples who maybe just want to spice things up, but don't want that pressure of having to worry about how far they take things.

[Jen]

Exactly, exactly. There's also that point where you are in such a, you know, a beautiful curated environment with, like minded, you know, happily married married couples, again, that want to grow together sexually. They might come into it thinking, hey, this is. This is where we stand. These are our boundaries. Let's live out this fantasy, but go no further. But then what happens is they start opening up more and they want to try other things and grow sexually in other ways. What we realized is we hit that mark of what our boundaries were and that we know where we get off and what turns us on, and it's not past that mark, that point.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Which I love and which is super interesting to me, but I've also had those stories of probably people who have been to your events and who felt the same way as you guys have, but maybe went a little bit further because that's what they were into. But there is no pressure, and that's what I love. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's such a cool space. I'm still as intrigued after I found out about everything that you guys told me. I still feel like there's more to know and people are gonna wanna go.

[Rob]

There is. We didn't even talk. Talk about masks. About what? We didn't even talk about masks.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

What do you mean, mask? Everyone wears them.

[Rob]

Well, yes. And it's sort of our internal visual consent system. If you If. If you want to think of it that way. So we have one side of the mask where a couple can come, and if they're wearing that, our etiquette is, is that no one can approach them to talk to them. And they are not expected to approach anybody or talk to anybody. So what it does, it just reminds me, removes any sort of internal or external social pressure whatsoever. Oh.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Of having to reject. Yeah, yeah.

[Rob]

They can come and be in the environment and not have to worry about someone coming up or feeling like, hey, we should go talk to them. They can just be together. The other side of the mask represents more, you know, traditional adult cocktail socializing, toasting, champagne, that sort of thing. So couples have the opportunity to kind of choose their path and they can. They can switch throughout the evening. Evening as well.

[Jen]

Yeah. If they need time to decompress and, you know, talk to one another, they can obviously go back to the black side. Also, we have a few couples that's been with us from the beginning, so whenever they, you know, attend a gathering, they keep their black mask on the whole time. They are there to absorb the erotic energy. They are there to, you know, take that part of it in. It's what turns them on, it's what gets them off. And it's a very beautiful thing to see. They've discovered that. So what, you know, where their boundaries are.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Or how, what makes them feel comfortable. A lot of people roll like that. I love that. I want a mask to just walk around New York and so that people know not to start talking to me when I go into the deli. But no, I mean, I really think, you know, talk about intentional, like, I really think all these little things that you thought of are like really brilliant stuff, you know, brilliant and like really smart and only adds to your experience and makes it super comfortable, besides being so elevated, you know, but also just very comfortable and safe for couples. And that's what's most important, you know.

[Jen]

You know, another thing to throw out there too, with that said, is that this past. This past gathering or the weekend experience that we did, we did something a little different. We brought all of the couples back to the private pit house on Sunday in the late, after early afternoon. And we had champagne and we had music and we did clothing optional tanning and all got to just talk about real life and what happened the night before, you know, where we're from, travel, food, and really make those connections that are so important to our members in a real, you know, a real, real time environment, so to speak, versus you know, that out of body experience everybody most likely had the night before, which was very, very beautiful.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Yeah, Smart, smart, right? A broad daylight, totally different head space, but it only helps people connect even more on a. On a totally different level. But a level that's important is only going to make them have a better time the next night, right?

[Rob]

Yeah. Laughter care.

[Jen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Love it. You guys are the best. You fascinate me. You're. I know you're gonna get a lot of people emailing you or whatever they're gonna do. I can't wait to see how many of my people are, like, allowed to get in either.

[Jen]

You know what I mean?

[Rob]

But that was an evil laugh.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Well, listen, I always say, like, I vet people to go into. Like, my, like my listeners are really cool. I mean, not all of them are so elevated, but, like, my listeners are really cool. And there are certain vibe people. I know that they're like super respectful and everything. I just wonder how many, though, are going. Because you guys are, you know, very picky in a very different kind of way. How many you're going to get for me, but let me know, okay?

[Jen]

Yeah. Hey, we're your listeners, too. That's how we ended up here. I mean, that when we got in and we came across Desire, you know, those years ago, that's when we came across you. And we've been listening to you ever since, so.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Oh, I love that. And I love. I always say I love my listeners. And when I have, like, content creators on and people, like, sign up for them, they're always like, your listeners are like the best. And like, I vet everyone that gets into my discord because it's private. And I. And I mean, it's very rare that I have anybody acting like an. I rarely get dick pick. You know, I have other friends who do sex podcasts and they get like, really inappropriate stuff and people harassing them, and I. I don't get a lot of that. I'm just telling you, like, in all the years I don't get dick pics or guy, you know, because I think my listeners are cool people. So, you know, they're all going to be checking you out, so let me know how it goes. But thanks so much for finally calling in. I'm obsessed with your whole story and, and with. I'm obsessed with voluptus.

[Rob]

Well, we're obsessed with you and thank you for your time.

[Jen]

Absolutely.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

You guys are the best. Send me in some pics if you want. Okay. Will you do that for Patreon? Do you want to Anonymous picks?

[Jen]

Absolutely. Are you kidding? We'd love to.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

All right, awesome. Thanks for calling in.

[Rob]

Thank you.

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Bye Bye.

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[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out till August 25, but you can pre order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a whole hot wife story, there's a cuck queen story, there's a cuck story, there's a gang bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all T told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of kind of vibe.

[Rob]

Right?

[Kathy (Strictly Anonymous Podcast Host)]

But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally the audiobook is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay? I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total, total, strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private. Like I said. All you gotta do is email me a screenshot of your purchase. Whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback, send it to me at strictly anonymous podcast gmail.com. that's strictly anonymous podcast gmail.com and I. I will send you the link to Discord. So, anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.

[Jen]

This is the Strictly Anonymous podcast. Strictly Anonymous Podcast.