1518 - Ed is Super Young & is in a Very Open Relationship with HIs Fiancé

Summary

Strictly Anonymous Confessions
Episode 1518: Ed is Super Young & in a Very Open Relationship with His Fiancé
Host: Kathy Kay
Airdate: July 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid, honest episode, Kathy Kay talks to “Ed,” a 24-year-old who is engaged to his 25-year-old fiancé. Ed shares openly about their journey from vanilla backgrounds and past toxic relationships to exploring bi-sexuality, pegging, group sex, and the boundaries of their non-monogamous adventures. Kathy and Ed dig into the realities of openness, communication, jealousy, experimentation, and the surprising dynamics that come with forging a young couple’s path outside the mainstream.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Openness and Generational Attitudes [(07:10)-(08:50)]

• Kathy questions whether open relationships are more normalized among Gen Z.
• Ed clarifies: He and his fiancé are the only ones in their friend group doing this, but, “Everybody’s really cool with it... I would say a lot of, like kids our age are a little bit more open minded and accepting to different things.” (08:38)
• Kathy: “In my generation, if you told anyone, everyone would talk about you, you’d be ostracized...” (08:19)

2. Their Relationship Background [(09:04)-(10:52)]

• Both Ed and his fiancé came from “pretty shitty, like, abusive relationships.”
• They met in college, became friends while Ed was still with his ex.
• Ed’s fiancé insisted he break up before they started anything:
  “She drove me to her college in like, multiple states, to go break up with my current girlfriend and then drove me home.” (10:33)
• Kathy: “If your current girlfriend only knew she facilitated the breakup, she’d kill her.” (10:39)

3. Sexuality and Discovering He’s Bi [(11:14)-(12:23)]

• Ed told his fiancé early on that he’s bisexual: “She was the first person I ever actually told that to.” (11:14)
• For Ed, being bi is about sex, not romantic dating with men:
  “I would never date a man... but I’ve definitely hooked up with a single guy before we started dating.” (11:56)
• Kathy on male sexuality: “A lot of guys would be like, I like to fool around with a guy...but I’m not into guys...You’re not the only one.” (12:17)

4. Introducing Kinks: Pegging & Acceptance [(13:02)-(15:32)]

• Ed was into pegging, told his fiancé, and she was open:
  “She wasn’t gonna do it...but she was definitely willing to try.” (14:39)
• After trying, “She brings up, like, wanting to do it more than I do.” (14:55)
• Pegging helped his fiancé discover she enjoys being dominant:
  “That helps her be in that dominant role. And she really loves my ass.” (15:11)
• Ed’s fiancé realized she was likely bi after a first encounter with a couple: “She actually told me that she thinks she’s bi, like probably only a year ago.” (15:53)

5. Communication & Trust Foundations [(16:13)-(16:48)]

• Ed notes his fiancé’s upbringing wasn’t queer-friendly, suggesting her coming out was a process of realization, not suppression: “Her family was definitely...not very...friendly with the idea of her being gay or bi...” (18:48)

6. First Experiences: Threesomes and Bringing Others In [(21:17)-(27:57)]

• After studying abroad, they use the app Spicer to explore sexual boundaries.
• Use of apps to open up conversations about desires and boundaries:
  “I’m...into trying, like, literally everything at least twice. So I end up saying yes or maybe to like pretty much all of those questions.” (21:48)
• They decide to explore a threesome, with Ed wanting the guy to be bi.
• First hookup is oral in the backseat of a car. Both Ed and his fiancé perform oral sex on the guy together.
• On aftermath: Both felt it was “really fun” but the fiancé was “still a bit hesitant” and sought reassurance. (27:14)

7. Communication After Threesomes [(31:16)-(37:22)]

• After their first full hookup, Ed admits to jealousy, but not over sex—it was about his fiancé and the other man connecting over a mutual friend.
• Kathy: “When it actually happens, you can’t help how you feel...But the key to all of this is...you’re able to sort of talk through it…” (35:10)
• Ed’s takeaway: “We honestly just kept talking about it...We hate being mad at each other.” (35:51)

8. More Group Experiences: The Good, the Bad, and the Awkward [(37:41)-(47:23)]

• They try playing with couples via the 3Fun app:
  • First couple: The woman backs out last minute, making an awkward experience; the guy is rough and inattentive, making it a “bad experience.” (41:14)
  • Second couple: Older OnlyFans pair; sweet but “not attracted to them physically.” They remain friends.
• More bi men: One young (21), meant to be more dominant, but inexperienced (accidentally hits Ed’s balls with paddle).
• Kathy comments: “You’re going to find some real cocky 21-year-olds...but the average person is not going to walk into a room with like two people versus one and...just be the Dom.” (46:39)
• Recent positive encounter: “...with a super nice, chill bi guy we met on Reddit. Really good chemistry—probably will see him again.” (47:31–48:16)

9. Bisexuality & Unfulfilled F/F Curiosity [(47:47)-(53:48)]

• Ed’s fiancé had some limited play with a female partner, but no chemistry.
• Ed: “She has one of her best friends who’s also bi...they both joke about wanting to do stuff together.” (51:04)
• Ed is indifferent to girl-girl action: “It sounds like, super hot, but...it’s not something I think about that would turn me on...” (53:30)
• Kathy: “Most of the guys that are into, like, the hot wifing thing...they like to see them with a guy.” (53:48)
• Ed: “Yeah, for sure.” (54:15)

10. Definitions: Are They Really “Open”? [(55:43)-(56:53)]

• Kathy asserts, “In my mind, you have an open relationship,” but Ed disagrees, seeing it as “closed” because they don’t play solo.
  • Ed: “It’s not like we’re doing anything separately...If we’re bringing somebody in, like, in a way, [it’s] like a dildo—a sex toy with emotions.” (56:27)

11. How Non-Monogamy Has Changed Their Relationship [(58:23)-(59:20)]

• Ed: “I’m super proud of it and very proud of us...communication is so much better...it’s allowed us to grow a little bit more.” (58:23)
• “Doesn’t matter what it is—she could tell me she wants to try literally anything and we’ll try it, and vice versa.” (59:02)

12. What’s Next: Bucket List [(59:30)-(61:24)]

• Next fantasy: Multiple guys (possibly a gangbang), though their process is slow and connection-based.
• Ed’s fiancé is “bi-curious” but very picky about potential female partners.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “She drove me to her college in like, multiple states, to go break up with my current girlfriend and then drove me home.” – Ed (10:33)
• “Honestly, I think I was more attracted to like a penis than a man.” – Ed (12:17)
• “After she tried [pegging], she ended up actually loving it. She brings up, like, wanting to do it more than I do.” – Ed (14:54)
• “[Pegging] helps her...be in that dominant role. And she really loves my ass.” – Ed (15:11)
• “We were just kind of...hyped about it, that it actually, like, worked out well.” – Ed on their first group experience (27:14)
• “Honestly, we just kept talking about it...we planned a date afterwards so that we could like, have some us time afterwards and really get to talk about everything.” – Ed (35:51)
• “If we’re bringing somebody in, like, in a way, [it’s] like a dildo—a sex toy with emotions. A living, breathing sex toy.” – Ed (56:27–56:53)
• “It’s opened up...avenues for us to understand each other more. I wouldn’t say it’s made our relationship a lot better, but it’s definitely allowed us to grow a little bit more.” – Ed (58:23)
• “At this point, she could tell me...she wants to try literally anything, and we’ll try it...that’s amazing.” – Ed (59:02)
• “We want to try...multiple guys...like a gangbang or maybe just another additional guy.” – Ed (59:30)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 07:10 – Ed & Fiancé’s Ages, Relationship Timeline, and Attitudes about Openness
• 09:04 – Relationship Origin, Ending Toxic Relationships
• 11:14 – Ed’s Coming Out as Bi, Defining His Bisexuality
• 13:02 – First Experiences with Kinks: Pegging
• 15:44 – Fiancé’s Queer Realization & Background
• 21:17 – Opening Conversations with Spicer App
• 25:02 – Seeking Threesomes and First Experiences
• 31:16 – Navigating Jealousy and Emotional Fallout
• 37:41 – Playing with Couples: Good, Bad, and Awkward
• 47:31 – Good Recent Encounter
• 50:09 – Ed’s History and Boundaries with Male Partners
• 55:43 – Is It an “Open Relationship”? Labels & Perspectives
• 58:23 – How Group Play Affected Their Sex Life/Relationship
• 59:30 – Bucket List & Fantasies

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Tone and Noteworthy Dynamics

The episode is open, humorous, curious, and validating, driven by Kathy’s warm, nonjudgmental attitude and direct, sometimes cheeky questions. Ed’s candor and willingness to discuss awkward, imperfect, and positive scenes alike highlight the learning curve and communication skill necessary when trying alternative relationship models.

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Episode Summary

Ed’s journey, as shared with Kathy, is one of exploration, trust, growth, and learning what works for their unique partnership. From frank discussions about sexual orientation and kinks to navigating the good and bad of group experiences, the episode is a window into how the younger generation may be forging a new path toward non-monogamy—one based as much on communication and mutual pleasure as on boundary-testing adventure. If you’re curious about how real couples honestly negotiate evolving their sex and romantic lives, this conversation is a goldmine of authentic insight.

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They're like in their early 20s and they've only been together about three years. And they recently opened up their relationship. It's interesting. Towards the end he doesn't see them as having an. But I see it as open in that they do bring other people into the bedroom with them. Right. But they don't play solo. Their whole story about how that came to be is interesting. He always, he realized he was by very early on when he was younger, he wound up copying to it to her. He talks about that, how she felt about it. And then he was into pegging and asked her to do it. That was his first time getting pegged by her. And then, you know, he talks about how she reacted and then what it was like to get pegged. And then they started talking about like having a hookup with another guy, you know, preferably a buy guy. And they did just that. They wound up eventually she wound up saying okay. And he talks about all those experiences. He starts with like the first one with the by guy and then they saw him again and he goes through all the details with that. And you know, his girl, like he loves seeing her get pleasure. So she does hook up with the other guy. Sometimes he hooks up with the guy he's buying. Then they had a slew of bad hookups. And he talks about why they tried couples and all that kind of good stuff. And eventually his wife realized she was or wife to be. She's this fiance realize she might be by too. So that might be on the table in the future. But their whole story is super interesting because like I said, they're young, they're, they're engaged, but they're not married yet. But they're definitely having fun together. And this is something very new for the both of them. So, I mean, they've been doing it for a while, but I'm just saying, you know, it's not something that either one of them ever did before they got together. So it's a super interesting story. And I'm gonna be right back on with Ed.

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[Ed (Guest)]

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[Kathy (Host)]

Hi, Ed. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today?

[Ed (Guest)]

Hi, I'm doing fine.

[Kathy (Host)]

Listen, Ed, you told me in your email, you and your girl, you're young, you've been doing a lot of crazy things. You had a bunch of hookups, you're in an open relationship. How old are you, by the way?

[Ed (Guest)]

I'm 24. My fiance is 25.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, so you're super young. How long you guys been dating for?

[Ed (Guest)]

We've been dating for about three years. We just got engaged this past fall.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, wow. Congratulations. When are you gonna get married? You're waiting a long time or are you gonna do a quick.

[Ed (Guest)]

We're actually waiting about two years from now. We're gonna do a winter wedding.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, nice. Okay, so let's get to your open relationship now. You know, you guys are super young now. I always tend to think that the younger generation is so much more open minded, that it's a little bit more common. Is it in your, like, with all your friends and people that you know in your age range, is it more common that people have open relationships nowadays or am I thinking wrong?

[Ed (Guest)]

To be fair, like, out of my friends, I don't know anybody that actually has an open relationship.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, cool. But yeah, that's good.

[Ed (Guest)]

Everybody's really cool with it. Like, there's a couple of my friends that actually know that we do this.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, that is a big difference then. Because in my generation, if you told anyone, everyone would talk about you, you'd be ostracized. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it would be a big thing and nobody would even cop to it. So look, what you're saying is maybe not everyone's doing it, but people are cool about it and you could be open about it and your friends won't judge you.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, a lot. I would say a lot of, like kids our age are a little bit more open minded and like accepting to different things.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, that's awesome.

[Ed (Guest)]

Or maybe we just don't surround ourselves with people that are not.

[Kathy (Host)]

No, I think. I know. I noticed that it's much more and I think it's better. So anyway, so you guys Been dating for three years. When did you decide to open up your relationship? And, like, before this? Were you guys both vanilla? I mean, what was your histories before both of you?

[Ed (Guest)]

Well, we actually both came from, like, pretty shitty, like, abusive relationships. And then we met in college, and we were very vanilla before that.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay.

[Ed (Guest)]

Like, I had very terrible sex with my past partners, but I was always, like, a super sexual person, and I really wanted to, like, I felt like I was kind of, like, caged all the time. And then we. I ended up meeting my fiance in college. There's a whole story about how we met, and it's kind of crazy. I don't know if we want to get into that, but, yeah, I like a crazy story.

[Kathy (Host)]

I, I, listen, I could go on and on about you choosing the name Ed. I like to hear about everything. I don't care what anyone else thinks. Tell me your crazy story.

[Ed (Guest)]

I guess it's not super crazy, but it's just a little odd. Like, we, we met in college. We ended up becoming friends. We talked a little bit. At this point, I was still with my ex, so we, like, kind of formed a friendly relationship. And at that point, my ex had. She had cheated on me a couple times, and so I felt like this relationship was over. She was, like, in a whole different state than me. I started to, like, kind of come on to my current fiance, and she stopped me and she was like, I can't do this. You're with. You're currently, like, with a partner. You need to break up with her first. She drove me to. To her college in like, multiple other, like, multiple states to go break up with my current girlfriend and then drove me home.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, my God. If your current girlfriend only knew that she's facilitated the breakup, she'd kill her. She, like, drove you and forced you to break up with her. Oh, my God. That other girl knew. She'd be like, what a. But very smart of your girl. You know what I mean? I mean, you were breaking up anyway, correct?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. Honestly, I. I'm very thankful, of course, because I. I needed that push to get out of that relationship. I feel like I was like, I had, like, an unhealthy attachment to that relationship.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, I hear you. I've been in many of those. Okay, so when you guys get together, how do you wind up becoming open? Was this something that was discussed early on, or did it happen after a while?

[Ed (Guest)]

I would say, like, we kind of slowly progressed to it. I mean, slow as in, like, not very slow, but for our timeline, slow. Because as soon as we started talking, I told her that I was bi. She was the first person I ever actually told that to. So we already like, kind of opened up. Like, we had clear, like, communication with each other. Like, we definitely trust each other a lot in that sense.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. Well, let's get to your. A little bit of your bi story, though. How did you. When did you realize you were bi? What kind of experience? And what does buy mean to you? Does buy mean that you like to hook up sexually with men or does buy mean that you will date either a man or. Or a woman? Because it's different to most people and everybody has their own idea of what buy means.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, yeah. I would never date a man.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay. It's a sex.

[Ed (Guest)]

But I would definitely. Yeah, I would definitely hook. I have hooked up with a single guy before we started dating, and that was pretty much my by experience. But I knew that I was bi since I was like, in eighth grade.

[Kathy (Host)]

Because you just knew you were like, attracted to men in a sexual way.

[Ed (Guest)]

Honestly, I think I was more attracted to like a penis than a man.

[Kathy (Host)]

You laugh, but you know how many times I've heard that? It totally makes sense. Listen to me, because I've been doing this for 11 years. It totally makes sense to Dr. Joe Court that my famous episode with Dr. It totally makes sense. It totally makes sense to every other guy like you out there, but it's not going to make sense to anyone else. Okay, But I totally get it. Like, a lot of guys would be like, I like to fool around with a guy, maybe suck a dick, but I'm not into guys. I'm like. And I'd be like, what do you mean? If a dick is, you know, a dick is on a man, then you like, it's like, no, you don't understand. Like, I don't like anything else about it. Just that, you know. And so I totally have come to understand that guys like you, you. You're not the only one.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, so I, I told her that stuff and then we were. We started playing around, like, with toys and stuff. I, at the moment, at that time, I really wanted to try pegging, and she was totally down to try it.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay. Have you ever pegged yourself with anything, you know, around the house? Yeah, I've heard it all.

[Ed (Guest)]

Oh, you mean like objects?

[Kathy (Host)]

You don't have to. I've heard the weirdest objects. But anyway, so you have. You used to. You had already pleasured yourself that way is what you're saying?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, yeah. I'd already experimented that with that in, like, high school and stuff.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, cool. And it's great, Right? Can you tell guys out there, like, how great it is? A lot of nerve endings. It feels really good, right?

[Ed (Guest)]

Oh, it's. It's amazing. I have trouble, like, making myself come from that alone, but I commend guys that can. It's definitely, like, an amazing feeling.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. Okay, so you tell her that you'd like to get into pet. And how was she, by the way, when you told her you were bi? Was she just, like, totally fine with it, right?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, she was like, on. On face, which kind of. I was kind of like, damn, what the hell? Like, you're the first person I told,

[Kathy (Host)]

and then you want a little bit more drama.

[Ed (Guest)]

Maybe not, but, like, I don't know. I was just like, it almost. It felt like, so easy. Yeah. I was like, why did I wait this long to tell anybody?

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, you were just lucky.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. And honestly, I think she's a very comforting person, so I don't. I. I understand why I would have told her.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. It was more about her than it was about. Right. Like, it's, like, very specific to her that she gave you that. Such a great reaction. Okay, so now is she just. Was she just as cool about doing the pegging? When you brought it up, was she just like, okay, on phase, like, let's do.

[Ed (Guest)]

She was definitely, like, a little, like, taken aback, but not okay. She wasn't like, she wasn't gonna do it. It's just. She was like, I've never done it before. I don't know how, but, like, I'm definitely willing to try.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

After she tried it, then she. She ended up actually loving it.

[Kathy (Host)]

And interesting.

[Ed (Guest)]

She brings up, like, wanting to do it more than I do.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, interesting. What are you. What did she tell. I'm assuming you guys talked about it. Like, what did she love about it? Like, do you know?

[Ed (Guest)]

I think she. She kind of, like, has learned to enjoy being more dominant sometimes.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And that. That helps her, like, be in that dominant role.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And she really loves my ass. Yeah. So it's like. Yeah. She gets to kind of get the view that I usually get. So when I rave about, like, when I'm. When she's in doggy, like, I rave about the view from mine.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And she was like, I totally understand now.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, that's so interesting. So wait, is she come from a very vanilla background, by the way? Did she cop to, like, being into chicks too, or she just, like, more vanilla than you? Not that you're not that Vanilla.

[Ed (Guest)]

But that's. It's funny because when I first met her, I was like, oh, she's definitely like, she's definitely bi. Like, I got that vibe from her.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And I asked her, like, early in our relationship, I was like, are you bi? And she was like, no. Like, I'm, I'm. I don't think so. And I was like, okay. Like, I didn't bring. I didn't want to push that on her. Of course, she actually told me that she thinks that she's bi, like probably only like a year ago.

[Kathy (Host)]

Interesting. She waited all this time.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. I think it was after we had our first experience with a couple where she tried some stuff and then realized that she wanted to explore it a little bit more.

[Kathy (Host)]

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[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, so you. So you. You. It's probably that she just never even realized she was. Instead of her just not sort of admitting it, right?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. I mean, her family was definitely, like, not very, like, I guess, friendly with the idea of her being gay or bi or anything like, growing up. Like, I think her mom told her once, like, she would be so disappointed if she was gay or bi.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, so she would have repressed it regardless. Right? And maybe she had repressed it and it came up in that moment when she was with the couple. Right?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's probably more likely.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. Interesting. Okay, so let's get back to the pegging. So you tell her you want to peg. She winds up doing it and she winds up loving it. And how do you feel about it? Because that's the first time you did it with somebody else. Like, and you said that when you did it for yourself, it was like, good. But it seems like because you said you could only really have orgasms when the other person is doing it or it feels better when the other person's doing it. Was it like the most amazing thing when you first got pegged?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, it was. It was great. I mean, I've been. I'd been wanting to do that since I was like, probably in high school. And I asked my X before that, she was like, absolutely not. So, like, I was so excited to start that, like, no matter how it felt, it was going to be great, man. It was great.

[Kathy (Host)]

Do you ever have prostate orgasms?

[Ed (Guest)]

I have not. I mean, I. I don't really. I don't think so because I've heard that it's like this insane.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. Yeah. No, no, that's like a girl says she doesn't think she's had an orgasm. Any one of my girlfriends that ever told me when I asked them if they had an orgasm, they said, I don't. I. I think so. Or I don't think so. I'm like, no, you didn't have one. Okay. Because you wouldn't Think you know, so. Yeah, you haven't had it yet. It's okay.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, I have not had. I mean, it's definitely. It feels much better when I do come from, like, anal stimulation and, like, physical. But I don't think it's, like, to the extent what most people are experiencing.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, not yet. Listen, you'll have it one day. Like, it's hard to figure out where your prostate is. It's kind of like a girl with a G spot orgasm. You know what I mean? It's not, like, so easy, but I have heard just, like, with squirting and stuff, it's same thing where prostate organs, like, once you figure it out, it becomes much more easy. So you'll figure it out eventually. Okay, so you guys start pegging. Where does it go from there? Because you wind up doing couples and having all kinds of experiences and everything.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, from there, I think it was about two years ago. So that all happened, like, within about, like, our first year of actually dating. And then after about a year, we were studying abroad together in Italy. We came back and, like, we didn't get to have. We barely got to have sex in Italy for, like, three months. And at that point, we were having sex, like, every day that we could see each other.

[Kathy (Host)]

Right.

[Ed (Guest)]

So we came back from being, like, so totally repressed in Italy, and I, like, found this, like, app or something for both of us so that we could, like, explore each other's, like, kinks and desires and stuff. And one of the questions was, like, I think it's called Spicer.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay. I love apps like that. It's really great, right, to get conversations going and stuff, right?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, it was great.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

Because we. We got to learn, like, so many. So many different things about each other. It's amazing.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, I love that.

[Ed (Guest)]

And we ended up, like, matching on, like, I mean, I'm like. I'm, like, crazy. I'm like. I'm into trying, like, literally everything at least twice. So I end up saying, like, yes or maybe to, like, pretty much all of those questions.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, my God, that's so funny. I want. Do you remember what you said no to?

[Ed (Guest)]

Oh, I'm not into, like, anything regarding, like, feces or anything like that. So that was definitely a no.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, my God. I love that they included it. I love that it was on there. They put everything.

[Ed (Guest)]

It has everything.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, cool. Go on.

[Ed (Guest)]

So one of the questions was, like, would you ever, like, have a threesome? And what kind of threesome? Whatever. And I said, yes. She said, maybe. And, like, that's something I always wanted to try. So I questioned her on it, and she was like, yeah, like. But I'm just. I'm not sure how that would, like, affect our relationship and stuff. So I put it on the back burner for a little bit, and then we talked probably like, a month after that about it, and I was like, you know, I think we're, like, extremely solid. Like, I couldn't see anything possibly affecting this. Like, she was worried it's, like, cheating and stuff. And I was like, it's not like we're.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And I totally understood. I was like, you know, this is something that I thought about for a while, but she hadn't had the time to really, like, really think about it, of course. So I understood. That took a little bit more time for her to, like, really, like, actually allow herself to think about it.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, of course. Huh. I totally understand, too.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. So I guess eventually we came around to the idea of, like, okay, let's. We can think about it a little bit more. Because she understood, like, it wasn't cheating. You know, we were doing it together. And our first, like, kind of, like, tiptoe into getting into threesomes was I wanted her to feel comfortable like other people seeing her. So we actually ended up going to a nude beach.

[Kathy (Host)]

What a great idea. What a good sort of segue into it if you wanted to, you know, to like it. That was just very smart of you.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, I mean, I also. I think she's, like, the most beautiful person on this earth. And part of, like, my thing is, like, I want her to be able to, like, I see, like, guys check her out all the time, and I'm like, hey, like, that guy just checked you out. And she's like, whatever. And I'm like, no. Like, people are looking at you all the time because you're beautiful. So I also wanted to take her to the nude beach so that she could, like, see, like, when you. Because most of the. Most people at new beaches are, like, old guys.

[Kathy (Host)]

I've been to nude beach. I know. Yeah, go on.

[Ed (Guest)]

So, like, she immediately realized that she was getting, like, so much attention there, and she started to get a little bit more confident in her body and stuff, because I think she just needed to feel more confident in herself to be able to think about doing something like that. So we went there for, like, the rest of the summer, and then towards the middle of the summer, she, like, started to open up to the idea of talking to a guy. So I ended up finding our first guy on Reddit.

[Kathy (Host)]

Actually, now, let me ask you this, though, because you're into guys, too. Are you looking for a buy guy, or are you, like, just looking for any kind of, like, you know, threesome? He doesn't have to. You want him just with her, or do you want him with her and you?

[Ed (Guest)]

I wanted more of, like, the threesome. Like, I did want the guy to be bi at first. Later on in our journey, we found, or we tried, like, just a straight guy, and it was, like, a good experience. It was definitely a better experience for her than it was for me, but we were kind of open to both, but it completely depends on, like, the chemistry and stuff.

[Kathy (Host)]

Well, so that first time going in, what did you put in there that you were looking for by guy or not by guy?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, we were looking for a buy guy at that point.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, cool. Okay, so go on.

[Ed (Guest)]

So we ended up messaging a bunch of guys, ended up getting, like, flaked by a few guys, which seems to be, like, just the story of doing this, of course, which is. It's okay. We've, like, come to terms about it, and we've, like, found ways to like, not, like, kind of, like, figure out who's gonna flake and who's not gonna flake.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

So we ended up meeting up with this one guy, like, a bar in between, like, where the two of us live. We talked a bit. Like, we hit it off really good. I was, like, super into him because he was attractive. She thought he was very attractive, too. We had a lot of common interests, so we met up with him. Then we started, like, sexting a little bit. And then we actually met up with him another time at a bar. And then at that point, she ended up giving him head. We both gave head together. And that was, like, our first kind of, like, experience with another person. We just did it in the back seat of his car.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, my God. How old was the guy? How old was the guy?

[Ed (Guest)]

He was our age at the time, so.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, young guy.

[Ed (Guest)]

He was probably, like, 22.

[Kathy (Host)]

Wow. He, like, hooked up with another couple around his age. What an interesting little hookup you all had.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. Yeah, I think. I don't think he was, like, fully. I think he was, like, more curious.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And I kind of like it that way. Like, I. I prefer more of the focus to be on my fiance than on myself, because I. I really like seeing her get pleasure, so that's, like, kind of the main goal of it.

[Kathy (Host)]

So how did she feel that first time? Because she hooked up with the guy or you only blew the guy. Guy.

[Ed (Guest)]

We just blew the guy.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay. That was it. Okay, cool. So how did you guys feel, both of you, afterwards?

[Ed (Guest)]

We, like, it was strange because I think, you know, if I have a really terrible memory, but I think after that, we were both, like, very, like, that was fun. Like. Like, it was very, like, it was kind of chill. Like, they're. I don't know. We. We were just kind of, like, kind of hyped about it, that it actually, like, worked out well.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, go on.

[Ed (Guest)]

She was still a bit hesitant. Like, I remember, like, more on the. Like, when we started to get closer to home, she was a little bit more like, oh. Like, was that okay? Like, she was definitely, like, trying to reassure me and stuff and, like, feel out, like, how I felt about that situation and stuff.

[Kathy (Host)]

Of course.

[Ed (Guest)]

And I was like, I. I was there too. Like, how do you feel about me? Like, it's. I was also blowing him, so.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Kathy (Host)]

But she. As girls, we think more than guys. You know what I'm saying? Like, I understand why she was, like, thinking about it. Plus, you're in the back of a car. I mean, it's a little, you know, it's. The whole situation's a little seedy. Not. But not in a bad way. You know what I mean? But, like, I. You know, you might question it for a second.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So we actually. After that, we planned to actually, like, fully hook up with him at another date. So we ended up setting that up, and it was probably, like, a few weeks after that, we got, like, an Airbnb, and I think I did happen in the car.

[Kathy (Host)]

Again, no offense, I love car sex. Okay. And I. I'm like, you know, I miss car sex. I'm old. I don't do it in cars anymore. But I'm like, I was hoping that the second time, if you're really going to go all the way, that you're not doing it in the car again. Did you guys have any rules going into this?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, which. Our rule was that we don't talk to the other guy, like, outside of the group chat that we have, like, him contacted in.

[Kathy (Host)]

Huh. Smart.

[Ed (Guest)]

And then it was all. Originally, we had a rule of no kissing, which immediately went away as soon as we started getting into stuff.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, of course. Huh.

[Ed (Guest)]

Because it just seemed, you know, at first I was like, no kissing. Because we're not, like, making love with the person. Like, we're just having sex. And I mean, my. My fiance is just like, she needs kissing, which is completely, like, expected. So that just, like, dissolved as soon as we start. We started getting into.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, cool. So what. What. How was that. That full hookup with the guy?

[Ed (Guest)]

It was interesting because.

[Kathy (Host)]

Interesting.

[Ed (Guest)]

Like, it was. It was really good. The interesting part of it was that, like, I would say 15 minutes into actually getting into it, my fiance got her period.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, wow.

[Ed (Guest)]

So I was like, oh, man. Like, but we actually ended up keep. Like, we kept on going for, like, four hours.

[Kathy (Host)]

Right. Guys don't care. A lot of guys. Most guys don't care. I did. I think I have to rerun that poll on my Patreon because most guys that I know never really cared, but some guys actually do. But you and the guy were like, who cares? Let's keep going.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. I mean, we paid for an Airbnb. Like, we're gonna. We're gonna get it done.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. It's all your dreams coming true.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. We were super, super nervous that first time, though. Like, obviously, we haven't, like, done anything like that before, so. Yeah, we ended up playing, like, a game of, like, strip poker to, like, break. Break the ice and, like, kind of force us to, you know, like, get things started.

[Kathy (Host)]

Huh.

[Ed (Guest)]

But, yeah, I mean, we. We were at it for, like, four hours. We kind of jumped right into it. Like, as soon as we started stripping, like, Bree started, like, giving him head. And then, like, very soon after that, we just went straight into the bedroom and started, like, from both ends and all sorts of positions. Yeah, we just, like, pulled all the stops out.

[Kathy (Host)]

Right. And how did you both feel after that experience?

[Ed (Guest)]

We definitely had, like, a lot of. A lot to talk about because it was, you know, first experience. Definitely, like, a lot of emotions. Luckily, we planned, like, what kind of

[Kathy (Host)]

on your end, mostly because I know, you know, like, it's. I always like to hear about the guy's feelings because I think, you know, a lot of guys are listening, and it's interesting to hear about, like, what this would bring up for a guy.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, honestly, it was super weird because I wasn't, like, jealous about him. Her. I was jealous because, like, we had talked, like, for, like, two other dates before this point, and somehow, like, there was actually, like, there was a mutual friend between my ex and the. Or between my. My fiance and this guy that we were seeing. So they started, like, talking about this mutual friend, and like, they drew, like, a connection, and that was, like, what made me feel a little weird.

[Kathy (Host)]

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[Ed (Guest)]

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[Kathy (Host)]

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[Ed (Guest)]

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[Kathy (Host)]

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[Ed (Guest)]

So, yeah, like, after, like, the whole night, like, like the night wasn't spoiled. Like, we had that. We were talking. That was before we had sex. But then the day after, I was, like, feeling a little strange about it, so we had to, like, kind of talk about that. And she was, like, kind of reassuring me. But then she was also Feeling like those like, emotions of like, she felt bad for, you know, doing nothing wrong.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right?

[Kathy (Host)]

She felt bad that you felt bad. And now. And you know what? You probably felt too, like, like, you know, like this wasn't supposed to happen, and now it did. And what if I Everything up? You know what I mean? Like, it's a. It's a scary thing to feeling to have, right? Especially because you both. You can't. You're human beings. You can't help how you're gonna feel if you. Especially doing something that you've never done before. Right. You could think about it all you want in your head, you know, but when it actually happens, you. You know. But the key to all of this is that regardless of how you feel or what happens, you're able to sort of talk through it and work through it, which are. You guys obviously were able to do that. So she's like, talking to you and now she feels bad that she made you feel bad. Right. And how did you guys get past it?

[Ed (Guest)]

We. We honestly, we just kept talking about it. Like we. We planned a date afterwards so that we could like, have some us time afterwards and like, really get to talk about everything. So I mean, it probably took like, a few hours of us just like, talking and walking around in the city. But, you know, after we've really like, flushed everything out, I would say it just took time. Like, we're not the type of. We don't really fight with each other. Like, we've had like, like disagreements and stuff like that, but we always talk it out, right?

[Kathy (Host)]

That's your guy's way of fighting. That's your confrontation.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah.

[Kathy (Host)]

Right.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. And we're very good at communicating, communicating with each other. We hate being mad at each other. So this was just like. It was kind of just like another thing, right?

[Kathy (Host)]

And you're gonna talk until you're. You get to the point where it's resolved. That's the way you both are. That's what you need to do. You.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah.

[Kathy (Host)]

Which is great that you're on that same page, because some people, everyone rolls differently. And that sometimes is a big problem in relationships, right? And you gotta, like, sort of respect everybody's way of being. Right. Some people aren't like you and your girl in that they want to just talk and talk until they're done. Maybe some people want to think about it, keep it to themselves, take a minute, you know, think about it before they talk. Right? Like, everyone's different and you have to respect everyone's ways, but it's Great that you're both that way. It's the quickest way to solve the problem. I'm more like you, you know, But I know there's plenty of people that aren't like that. You know what I'm saying? And you have to respect that, too. So you guys got passive through talking. Was it mostly your bad feelings and her feeling bad for you? Did she have any weird feelings about it besides your weird feelings?

[Ed (Guest)]

No, she. She just kind of caught my vibe and then that was her, like, weird feelings.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. That makes.

[Ed (Guest)]

Okay, yeah, she didn't have anything weird.

[Kathy (Host)]

So now you have.

[Ed (Guest)]

I know.

[Kathy (Host)]

You have like, seven other experiences or something like that. I mean, you do move. Do you move on from this guy? Do you other guys, like, do you continue to see this guy? Like, what do you do next? I guess just go chronological.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, so. So we don't really like bouncing around, but we've kind of been forced to because we wanted to see this guy again, but he kind of just like, fell off the face of earth. He might have gotten, like, a girlfriend or something. No big deal.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. Who knows?

[Ed (Guest)]

So after that, we were like, okay, let's try a couple this time. So we found a couple off of a like. Like threesome dating app called 3Fun.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, I've heard of that one. Huh.

[Ed (Guest)]

And so we met up with them at, like, a restaurant.

[Kathy (Host)]

How old were they?

[Ed (Guest)]

They were also our age. We usually try and find people, like, around our age just because it's easier to.

[Kathy (Host)]

I'm just saying, like, 30 years ago, it would be really hard to find a bunch of 24 year olds on a swinger set. You know what I mean? It was typically like, oh, it's still.

[Ed (Guest)]

It's still very difficult.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, it is. Okay. That's what I thought. Okay.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. Yeah, we usually get hit up by people, like, older than us.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, I would think so. Right. So you found, though, a couple your age. And what was that guy by?

[Ed (Guest)]

No, the guy was straight. The girl was bi.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay.

[Ed (Guest)]

This was a bad experience.

[Kathy (Host)]

I like bad experiences. I like stories that have gone wrong too. I think that those are interesting as well. Let's hear it.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. So we met up with them. Like, the. The guy was great. Like, I. He sounded like a lot of fun. His girl, like, was not really talking at all. And I got this, like, strange vibe that, like, maybe she didn't want to be there. And so we ended up talking for a little while. It was just. We usually just do drinks with whoever we're gonna meet up with, and then after that, we'll do something just to, like, kind of vet people out and stuff. So we talked, and then when we went to go, we rented another Airbnb. We decided we wanted to, like, hook up with them. And a day. I think it was either a day before or, like, the morning of the guy messaged in our group chat. He was like, okay, so, like, my girlfriend is actually not gonna play with your boyfriend. And we had already previously said it was gonna be, like, a full swap situation. So, like, he. He pulled her out of the situation, like, the day before.

[Kathy (Host)]

Maybe the wife did. I mean, you don't know that it was him. You know what I'm saying?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, it could have been either, but he's. He's the one that, like, communicated.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

So we're like, okay, like, we already have it booked. Like, we'll have fun either way.

[Kathy (Host)]

Who's gonna hook up with who then? With the wife?

[Ed (Guest)]

That's where it got a little strange because we originally went into this thinking that it was going to be full swap. Like, we were. Yeah, we were gonna full swap. Like, we would. Our partners, and then we'd swap and the others, and then maybe the girls would play if they wanted to. You. And the morning of, he said, like, okay, my girlfriend doesn't want to you.

[Kathy (Host)]

Right. As well.

[Ed (Guest)]

Okay. Like, yeah. So then it was basically gonna be like, my.

[Kathy (Host)]

Wait, before was, he can't be with her now. The girl doesn't want to be with you.

[Ed (Guest)]

No, I. I was always okay with my fiance.

[Kathy (Host)]

No, no, no, no. Didn't he first say. Wasn't the first thing that he said, like, my, I'm not gonna sleep with your girl? No, it was always my, you can't sleep with my wife.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, that.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, go on. All right. Go on.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. So he decided that the day before, and I was like, okay, we already rented the place. I feel like we should have maybe flushed this out a little bit sooner, but, like, we'll make do.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And that, like, left a little bit of a weird taste on my mouth because I was like. And we had talked for probably, like, a month before this. So, like, why change all like, the day before?

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah.

[Kathy (Host)]

It's unfortunate, but it could happen.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. So we. They were like. They were. I think it was their first time actually doing something with a couple.

[Kathy (Host)]

It was your first time, too. News flash.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, that's. That's true. But it was the first time doing, like. It was their first time with, like, with each other, doing anything with anybody. So we pulled our card from the first time we did anything, the whole, like, strip poker thing. And it was just odd. The whole time, the guy was like, really, like, pounding on my girlfriend and, or, yeah, my girlfriend at the time. And, like, it was hurting her. And he wasn't, he wasn't really listening to her. And the other girl was just, like, completely disconnected. Like, it almost felt like she was forced to be there or something.

[Kathy (Host)]

She probably was. That's why she backed out last minute, by the way. This is all him driving the whole thing. This is like a couple that shouldn't be doing what they're doing.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. So it didn't really last very long. They ended up leaving, like, probably an hour after we started doing anything.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, my God.

[Ed (Guest)]

And we just, like, came out of that situation. We were like, okay, like, we're not talking to those people again. That was, like, super odd.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, yeah. There's plenty of people out there like that. That's why a lot of couples want wind up taking on one of their rules. Becomes like, let's not be with newbies. And it's sa. There's plenty of great newbies out there, but, you know, there's also those kinds of newbies where it's obvious the girl got dragged along, wasn't into it. That's why she switched up last minute. They probably got in a big fight. And he said, the only way she's letting him go, she doesn't have to you. So he said yes, and then he's jackhammering your girl. He doesn't even listen because he doesn't listen to his wife either. You know what I'm saying? Like, those are just people that shouldn't be swinging.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. I felt bad for the girl, and I was just like, I, I, I don't know. It was just not good.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. No way. Okay, so go on.

[Ed (Guest)]

So after that, we, we started looking for a new couple. Like, at this point, me and my fiance really wanted to, like, we wanted to try. Like, we had a good experience with the single guy. We wanted to have a good experience with a couple just to see, like, what we like more.

[Kathy (Host)]

Huh.

[Ed (Guest)]

And so we ended up finding another couple on, I think that time it was Reddit. They were actually an older couple this time because we were having so much trouble finding somebody, like, our own age. We ended up meeting them for drinks like we usually do. They were, like, the sweetest people we have met so far. Like, we had a great time with them. When we set up to actually, like, it took a while to really, like, get into, which I Was kind of. I was kind of not expecting that because the. The girl and the guy, they were both, like, only fans people, so I, I. And they'd had, like, a lot of experience, but it took a while to get into. Was a great time. I had more, like, by play that time. Like, I. I hadn't kissed a guy before, and I actually kissed this guy, which was very interesting. I didn't like how he kissed, but the experience was definitely, like, fun for me. Either way.

[Kathy (Host)]

Interesting. Okay.

[Ed (Guest)]

It just ended up being that we weren't, like, super attracted to them physically, which was like. So it felt so bad because I was like, damn, like, these people are great, but, like, we're just not, you know, it's not working right. I had a lot of, like, I had a bit of performance anxiety at that point, too. And I was like, I feel like I'm not doing my job club. She's not really enjoying being with him. But we like them as people, so we kind of just kept them as, like, friends after that. And I actually. I still, like, text the. The. The boyfriend, like, pretty, like, kind of regular, like, every other month or so.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

So we were like, okay, we're having, like, not the best luck with couples right now.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And I. I think we had a. So we went back to trying single guys. So we found another bisexual guy. He was actually younger than us. He was, like, 21 at that point. My fiance was, like, 24, and I was 23. That was, like, not the best experience either. We wanted to try, like, somebody being more dominant towards the both of us, like, kind of taking charge.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And we ended up bringing this paddle that we had gotten, and it has, like, these, like, grooves in it. Like, it almost looks like a tire, but it's. But it's hard, huh? And then there's a smooth side. So we've been using the smooth side. I mean, like, here, like, use this paddle on us. This is, like, while we're getting into it. And it hurt like hell. And he was hitting the both of us, and this guy accidentally, like, grazed my balls. And that was like, a killer for me. Like, he hit my balls, like, full force with this paddle.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, my God. By accident, obviously. But did that ruin your whole night?

[Ed (Guest)]

It didn't ruin my whole. My whole night. But it was definitely like, I needed to take a little breather.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. I could imagine. I mean, I can't imagine I don't have balls, but I. You know, if it happened to my tit, it would be maybe the same thing.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. Yeah. Probably. But yeah, you could tell like you, that guy was definitely like a little bit more inexperienced.

[Kathy (Host)]

He is 21, you guys are older. Like I, you know, I don't know how you thought this 21 year old was gonna come in and Dom, the both, you know, older people, you know, I think that that's, listen, you're gonna find some real cocky 21 year olds that will be able to do, but the, the average person is not going to walk into a room with like two people versus one and you know, older than him and just be the Dom, you know. It's too young.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, I think we were like, we were trying to choose between basically like somebody like, like that's five years like older than us or like a few years younger than us.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And we're like, oh, I don't know, you know, because like personally I don't care about age. Of course.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, it doesn't mean anything.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, yeah. But like my fiance definitely does care a little bit more about age. So it's, you know, we stick to that.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. Okay, cool. So any good experiences though after all these bad ones? I like the bad stories though. They're kind of funny, they're interesting, you know.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We, we had a most like we had an experience just a few weeks ago with a guy that was a great experience.

[Kathy (Host)]

Was he a by guy by far?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, he was.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay, cool. Where'd you meet him?

[Ed (Guest)]

We met him off Reddit, I believe.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay.

[Ed (Guest)]

And he was just like a super nice, chill guy. We definitely like, like more dominant guys to join us because in the, with a guy, for me, I like being more submissive so it works out a little bit better.

[Kathy (Host)]

Uh huh.

[Ed (Guest)]

And he was just a great guy. He really good. My fiance is super attract. Was super attracted to him. We had like really good chemistry in the bedroom. Honestly just had like a great time and we're definitely gonna.

[Kathy (Host)]

What did you do with him?

[Ed (Guest)]

I gave him head.

[Kathy (Host)]

Like do you top or bottom? Do you go that far with guys or.

[Ed (Guest)]

No, I have but usually I like to build up a little bit more of like a rapport with them.

[Kathy (Host)]

Have you ever topped or bottom anybody?

[Ed (Guest)]

I have only bottomed before.

[Kathy (Host)]

When you're that first experience. Right. Do that. Was it that first experience that you said you had when you were younger, before your relationship with her?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, yeah, it was, it was. I think I have to have like more of like trust in the guy because that first experience was not good.

[Kathy (Host)]

Right.

[Ed (Guest)]

And it was like not necessary. It was a little bit scarring.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. Same for a lot of girls when a guy tries to top them. Same.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[Ed (Guest)]

So I feel like I have to trust the situation. So honestly, probably the next time that we do something with them, we'll probably do that, right?

[Kathy (Host)]

If it's the same guy, once you get to know somebody, well, you'll get to that point and you'd like to do it. You'd like to try it.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. And actually the first guy that we ever met up with, with, I tried to bottom for him, but he would just, like, stuck it in too fast, too dry.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah, that same. That's a girl's story, too. All right, so. All right, so this guy that you saw. So your girl was attracted to him? You were attracted to him?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, I thought. I thought. I. I'm usually more attracted to, like, the personality and like, the vibe of guys than, like, their look, I guess.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And this guy had a. Like, he was. He was great.

[Kathy (Host)]

When did your girl. What girl. Made your girl realize she was into women and did she have any experiences with that? I guess. Was it that one of the couples.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, she. She played around a little bit with that first girl from that first couple.

[Kathy (Host)]

Okay.

[Ed (Guest)]

But she wasn't really, like, reciprocating or anything, so I think my fiance got interested. She was like, okay, I could be into this, but maybe like, with the right girl.

[Kathy (Host)]

Right? With a girl that's interested in it too.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And it's funny because she has a. One of her best friends is also by. She's in her own relationship, but she used to joke that, like, they want to, like, do stuff with each other. And I was like, go ahead.

[Kathy (Host)]

How do you know they haven't?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, I guess I don't, but she would. She would have told me for sure.

[Kathy (Host)]

Why do you think that? Like, you know, listen, when people just throw things out there, like, do they both kind of say stuff like that?

[Ed (Guest)]

That it's. I. I don't know if you, like, are super familiar with, like, how guys joke with each other, but, like.

[Kathy (Host)]

No, no, but I mean, sometimes there's something behind the joking. Like, I'm saying, if they're both sort of putting it out there, not meaning that they're doing it, you know what I mean? But meaning that both of them maybe are. Would be down for it to happen. I'm not saying that them saying it means they're doing it, but if they're both always joking about it, you know, there. You can make that happen. That's what I think. Think.

[Ed (Guest)]

No, we. We've talked about it before. Like, I'm actually like. Like, I'd be okay. I'd be cool with that. But the problem is she's. She's dating, like, one of my best friends. Like, would be a bad idea.

[Kathy (Host)]

No, but I mean, you never thought to do, like, do you have no interest in sort of. Or maybe they don't have an interest in, like, doing a couple swap or hooking up, like, you know, all together.

[Ed (Guest)]

My feet. That would be interesting if my fiance was actually, like, attracted to the guy.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, right. But she's not. But she's attracted to the girl. Does she say that? She would be. Should they make jokes about being hooked up? I mean, do you see an attraction between the two of them?

[Ed (Guest)]

Like, them. Yeah, they're definitely attracted to each other. For sure.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. Yeah. So that, that. That's bound to happen one day, don't you think? Do you think that it's because she's dating this guy and maybe he doesn't, like, maybe. How does he feel about it?

[Ed (Guest)]

He's made. He's also made jokes that it's, like, okay for them to hook up, but knowing him, like, I know him very personally, he would not be okay with it.

[Kathy (Host)]

That's what I mean. Not everyone thinks. I think, that, like, oh, you know, every guy wants to see their girl with another girl, but that's not necessarily true. Some guys would be jealous of that too, and would never want that, you know, I mean, everyone's different, and there's plenty of guys that wouldn't be down, you know?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. And honestly, like, I don't really like the thought of, like, my fiance getting with another girl is, like, it sounds like, super hot, but, like, it's not something. It's not like. I know a lot of guys are like, oh, like, they watch, like, lesbian porn and stuff like that. Like, I don't necessarily. It's not something I think about that, like, would turn me on, you know?

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. Most of the guys that are into, like, the hot wifing thing and really love to see their girl get off, they like to see them with a guy. And especially if, like. Like, you think about all the things that you're into. You're into penises, right? Like you said, like, that's a part of the gu that you like right now, and somehow that's attractive to you. And, you know, you like your girl to see her get turned on. So, you know, put a guy with your girl and you watching, like, that's like, the perfect experience for you, right?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. That's what I think was most surprising about my show is learning that most. A lot of guys have the fantasy to first see their girl with another guy or do a threesome with a guy, as opposed to a girl, where most people would think it's the opposite. I did do a polo. I. I love doing polls on Patreon. Just. Just get the temperature of, like, what, you know, and just to see if, like, more guys wanted the female. Female thing than you know. And I thought for sure the guy won't win, but I think that the female. Female won. But let me just tell you, I know for my downloads. Okay. I once had a guy on. Named Franco who had. He was like. He went unicorn hunting with his wife, and they. So many girls. He had threesomes, foursomes with his wife and everything. And, like, my hot wifing episodes got more downloads than his. And his story was killer. Okay. I tried to get it into my book. It didn't make it in, but it was, like, killer. And even my writer was like, ah, oh, who cares? Girl on girl, threesome. You know, it's like. It's whatever. No one's gonna care. Like, all the hot wifing stuff is what people download the most, I gotta tell you.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. Yeah, it's. It's definitely been surprising, like. Like figuring out that I actually like this.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, definitely.

[Ed (Guest)]

Very strange for me.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

And then also figuring out that, like, it's as big as it is was.

[Kathy (Host)]

Right.

[Ed (Guest)]

Even more strange.

[Kathy (Host)]

Totally. And now how do you guys feel? Like, in this open Relationship, because neither one of you ever had one before. You know, she was a little hesitant in the beginning. It was something that you were okay with, but now you're really doing it. Like, how does it feel to be in an open relationship with your fiance?

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. It's interesting that you say, like, open relationship, because I know, like, a lot of other people would view it as, like, an open relationship, but, like, for us, it's still closed because we're. It's not like we're doing anything separately. Like, we always do this together.

[Kathy (Host)]

So interesting that you say this because I just said airing tomorrow. I aired on my Patreon already, but Chachi's episode, and he talked about how he was saying, I'm not. And I said, are you in upper relationship? He said, no, he's with a gay man. But then he said, you know, but now we're playing solo. So now we are in our relationship. But it turned out that they were having threesomes before he started playing solo. But he didn't take the. The times that they were together with somebody else as being open to him. They opened it up when they started playing solo. Like, he saw it the same way you did.

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[Kathy (Host)]

Do you know what I mean?

[Ed (Guest)]

Right?

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. Because, I mean, at the end of the. Like, this is going to sound, like, dehumanizing. And I don't mean it to sound. Yeah, but like, if I'm. If me and my fiance are having sex and we're, like, using like a dildo or something as well, like, it's not. We're still doing something together.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

So, like, if we're bringing somebody in, like, in a way, like a dildo, A sex toy with emotions.

[Kathy (Host)]

A living, breathing sex toy. A sex toy that's warm.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. So that's like. That's kind of how we view it. But, yeah, obviously we're not viewing them as objects.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. No, listen, everybody has a way of framing things in their own brains for whatever reason. Like, I'm sorry, but in my mind, you have an open relationship. Open relationship to me is like when you're being intimate in, you know, with naked bodies with somebody else other than your partners to even together. Like, together opening up and being with other people together, to me is an open relationship, but, you know, you're not. Like I said, I just heard someone else thinking that it's not that way. And some people might see it that way, too. And I think we all frame things differently and we all have our own sort of things. And I could see why you think that way you know about it, though. I wonder what the technical term is, but it's okay. You know what I mean? But let me ask you this, then. Whatever the label is of it, like, how do you feel, though, now that you've had human sex toys to play with versus fake sex toys? Like, my point is really, like, how has it been that you have this? Maybe it's like, a very open kind of relationship, considering it compared to your friends and everybody. Right. Like, you live a very different kind of relationship than most monogamous people. Like, how does it feel doing something that you've never done before with your fiance and something that she's never done before either, and that none of your friends are doing? Doing.

[Ed (Guest)]

Honestly, I'm. I'm, like, super proud of it and very, like, proud of us because, I mean, it's opened up, like, we were very good at communication beforehand, but after we started doing this, like, we. Like, our communication is so much better, and we. I feel like we're. It's kind of like, opened up more avenues for us to understand each other more. More. And I wouldn't say, like, it's made our relationship, like, a lot better, but it's definitely, like, allowed us to grow a little bit more interesting.

[Kathy (Host)]

And has it made your sex life even better?

[Ed (Guest)]

Oh, for sure. Right.

[Kathy (Host)]

Right.

[Ed (Guest)]

For sure. Like, we're. We're. It doesn't. Like, at this point, she could tell me, like, she wants to try literally anything and we'll try it, and same, like, way, vice versa. And that's, like, amazing to be able to feel like you can do whatever you want and your partner's there with you.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, totally. I love that. What's on your bucket list? Anything new that you guys want to try? Like, what's your favorite thing to try? Like, what are you really hoping to find?

[Ed (Guest)]

You know, we. I really want to try, and I think she's. That my fiance's definitely interested in it too, but there's like a. It's kind of hard to do, I think. Think we want to try, like, multiple guys. Like, either a. A gang bang or, like, maybe just another additional guy.

[Kathy (Host)]

So, like, I don't know where you

[Ed (Guest)]

try to draw that line, but.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know where either, but there's. It's probably out there somewhere. Right? So just more than one you plus multiple guys and your girl.

[Ed (Guest)]

I think. I think that would be a lot of fun. She. She. Originally, when we were talking about this, she was, like, closed off to that idea, but now she's like, definitely, like, interested in it. We just need to, like, somehow find a way, like, to do that, because we usually like to have connections with these people first.

[Kathy (Host)]

So.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, we would need to find, like, another guy that we would probably play with separately and then bring them both together and hope they get along.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, totally. And now, because she does. Did recently realize she's, like, a little bi. Is it, like, if I was talking to her, would she say she's looking to have an experience with a woman, or is that not that high up on her list?

[Ed (Guest)]

I would say she's more, like, bicurious. So she's not really, like. She's definitely not, like, pushing to have experiences with other women, but, like, if something came along, like, she's definitely interested in it.

[Kathy (Host)]

Right.

[Ed (Guest)]

She's very picky with, like, men and women, which I take pride in.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

So it's. It's more difficult for her to, like, find a woman that she actually wants to do anything with.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, most girls are more picky than guys. I mean, don't you notice that? That.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah. Yeah. She. She's just open to trying things. We. We actually. We tried to. We were talking to a single girl at one point, but that kind of fizzled out. But, yeah, we want to try that too, but it's, like, not really high on our bucket list.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ed (Guest)]

Like, if it happens, it happens, but whatever.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. Interesting. I love your whole story, especially because you're, like, super young and just trying this out. And, you know, I. Very specific about certain things that I haven't heard before. Like, I love the way you don't see your relationship as open. I thought that was, like, a very interesting thing to point out and all that kind of good stuff. So thanks so much for calling in. You know that I do love pics, like, for my Patreon. Does your girl know that you're calling in?

[Ed (Guest)]

No, I was actually gonna surprise her.

[Kathy (Host)]

Oh, okay. That's. That's because we were.

[Ed (Guest)]

We were talking about. She's, like, really into, like, reading, like, erotica and stuff. So we were talking about, like, writing each other erotica, and I was like, oh, I have this call, so, like, maybe I'll send that to her first.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, okay. She's gonna get mad because I called her a for her driving you over. But one thing I do got to say about her driving you over to break up, what I got to give her credit for was she wasn't down to, like, you while you had another girl. Like, she was like, no way.

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You know what?

[Kathy (Host)]

I mean, and that's to be commended. Right? Like, that's really what that said, you know, is that. That's the kind of girl she was. She was not gonna do that to that other girl, you know, so don't be mad at me. Wifey, soon to be.

[Ed (Guest)]

But anyway, she's wonderful.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah. So listen, if she wants to send a peck, you know, most people want to see the pics of the chicks right? On my Patreon. You know, you could send a pick after she hears it, since you're surprising her. Because I don't take pics of anybody unless they. They're okay with it. Right. So she. You can't send me one before she knows. Right. But if she hears it and she wants to, that's cool. You're going to get free access. You're going to get free. You're going to get the link to my private Discord. When we hang up, when you get the calendly thing saying like, thank you for calling in, there'll be a link in there. You could sign up for my Discord. Discord. And do whatever you want in there. It's super fun. You're gonna see a lot of dicks. Okay. They're all big, too. I'm like, what the. I've never seen so many big dicks in my life. We're doing another. We're doing another contest coming up soon. So you want to go in there now and you could post anything in there you want. That's where you get to post your own. But if you want to send me something for Patreon after your girl listens to this, she can. She's hearing it now. So if you want to send in a peck. You know, I always say something R rated, like, you know, bikini shot or lingerie, like. But nothing X rated. But. But discord. You could do whatever. But thanks so much, Ed, for calling in. I love your whole story.

[Ed (Guest)]

Yeah, thank you for having me.

[Kathy (Host)]

Yeah, this was fun. Thanks.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

I'll.

[Kathy (Host)]

I'll email you when your episode's gonna go up. Okay.

[Ed (Guest)]

Okay, Sounds great.

[Kathy (Host)]

All right, bye.

[Ed (Guest)]

All right, goodbye.

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[Kathy (Host)]

okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out till August 25, but you can pre order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken, taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story, there's a cuck queen story, there's a cuck story, there's a gang bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like pen has house letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe. Right. But these are true stories, 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in ebag format, paperback format. And finally the audiobook is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre order it it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay? I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total, strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private. Like I said, all you gotta do is email me a screenshot of your purchase. Whether you did the audiobook, the ebook or the paperback. Send it to me at strictly anonymous podcastmail.com. that's strictly anonymous podcastmail.com and I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.

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