1525 - Ana Went on HRT, Left Religion & Started Hotwifing

Summary

Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Episode 1525 – Ana Went on HRT, Left Religion & Started Hotwifing

Host: Kathy Kay
Guest: "Ana" (anonymous)
Release Date: July 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features Ana, a woman who, after decades of monogamous marriage, underwent a dramatic transformation in her personal and sexual life. Her story unfolds as a “fast game” newbie journey into hotwifing with her husband’s enthusiastic support, sparked by hormone replacement therapy (HRT) and a shared exit from a high-control religion. Ana candidly and sometimes humorously details her rapid dive into the lifestyle, the impact on her marriage, and both the liberating and awkward encounters along the way.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Background: Marriage and Monogamy

• 33-Year Marriage: Ana and her husband have been together since high school—over 30 years of monogamy.
• Fun Vanilla: Their sex life was always “fun vanilla”—toys, sexy photos, regular excitement, but no outside partners.

"We’ve always had toys. He’s always liked doing pictures and, you know, like sexy pictures of me. We’ve had great sex. We just never had opened it up." (Ana, 07:49)

2. Catalysts for Change

• HRT Pellets: Ana started hormone pellets about a year ago, leading to heightened libido almost immediately.

  "Pretty soon after, actually. It didn’t take long before the horniness kicked in." (Ana, 10:04)

• Leaving Religion: Simultaneous deconstruction and exit from a high-control religion. The realization was mutual and happened organically for both.

  "It was really kind of odd because we were just talking about it one night and we had both been going through this on our own and then we’re like, 'Oh, you feel like that too?'" (Ana, 09:02)

3. Initiating Hotwifing & Opening the Marriage

• First Steps:

  • Husband suggested a four-handed massage after hearing about it on podcast or from lifestyle sites.
  • The idea quickly escalated to seeking a man to have sex with Ana in front of her husband, introducing the “hotwife” concept.

  "He started telling me about the hotwife thing because to be honest, I did not even know that. Have never heard of the term hotwife before." (Ana, 12:00)

• Platform Choices:

  • Used SLS and SDC for meeting potential partners (with shoutouts/codes from Kathy for listeners).

• Mutual Excitement:

  • Both husband and Ana were enthusiastic; Ana was not surprised her husband wanted her with other men, given his longstanding enjoyment of others’ attention on her.
  • Primary boundaries initially: No anal, no swallowing—otherwise, most things were on the table.

4. Experiences with New Partners

First Encounter (SLS/SDC, September) [16:36]

• Initial attempt ghosted.
• Successful meetup with “bull” from SDC: drinks, then hotel.
• Nervous but excited; husband watched and took photos/video.
• Dynamic: Partner much rougher, more dominant, than husband; mixed feelings (enjoyed attention, but some acts too rough).

  "He did a lot of, like, ass slapping and, like, pulling my hair—stuff that I wasn’t used to... That was different for me." (Ana, 21:08)

• Returned for more meetups—found communication improved experience over time.

Second Encounter (Local Bull) [22:56]

• Another man, very tall, white, met via SLS/SDC.
• Again, husband just watched.
• The man was physically intense (e.g., picking Ana up, pinning her), but overall experience enjoyable.
• Achieved orgasm, but not until subsequent meetups when comfort increased.

The “Reclaiming” Sex

• Sex with husband immediately after encounters was emotionally and physically satisfying—a comfort and intimacy ritual.

  "As soon as he walked out of the hotel room, I was like, I need you right now." (Ana, 24:59)

First Threesome (Spit Roast, Discord Bull) [27:31]

• Met man through the podcast’s Discord.
• Younger, from out of state, but traveled for work.
• This time, Ana’s husband joined for a “spit roast” (simultaneous oral and penetrative sex).

  "I wanted to have a spit roast. And because I’d never done that before. So he was like, yeah, let’s do it." (Ana, 27:56)

• Enjoyed the group play dynamic, especially since the bull was comfortable with both of them.
• Ongoing arrangement: bull visits when in town.

Solo Play: Husband as Observer [34:30]

• Husband comfortable with Ana going to others’ homes solo.
• Often acts as chauffeur for safety and excitement (follows Ana’s location, picks her up afterward).
• Solo sex (without husband present) frequently followed by exciting “reclaiming” sex at home.

“Friend Experience” [48:00]

• A longtime male friend with a foot fetish (not lifestyle), visited Ana and her husband.
• Flirtation led to making out and a blowjob.
• This was discreet—friend's wife does not know, and interactions stopped at oral due to Ana’s concerns about boundaries and preserving the friendship.

5. Couple Swap: Great for Husband, Awkward for Ana [36:14]

• Sought a couple for full swap (his first with another wife, her first with another husband).
• Logistics led to playing in separate bedrooms.
• Husband had a great time; Ana’s experience was, in her words, “awful.”
  • Husband from couple was awkward, over-intellectualized sex, had small penis, lacked oral skills, and gave unnecessary anatomy lessons.
  • Later, the husband pushed for bisexual play between wives, but Ana realized she was “bi-curious” but not actually bi.

    "He kept telling me how he always likes to make sure the woman comes eight times before he does. Never got close." (Ana, 39:17)

• That couple keeps trying to reconnect, but Ana is not interested.

6. Reflections & Lessons Learned

• Communication, honesty, and humor are vital.
• The lifestyle strengthened Ana’s marriage and trust; increased intimacy and excitement.

  "We feel like it’s made us closer. I know that sounds strange... but you just have to have so much trust." (Ana, 57:49)

• Some experiences were awkward or disappointing, but Ana sees them as valuable learning moments, both for herself and listeners.
• Ana and her husband are exploring swinging clubs and continue to look for compatible couples.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On mutual deconstruction from religion:
  "We were just talking about it one night and we had both been going through this on our own and then we’re like, 'Oh, you feel like that too?'" (Ana, 09:02)

• On discovering 'hotwife':
  "To be honest, I did not even know...never heard of the term hotwife before." (Ana, 12:00)

• After her first 'bull' experience:
  "There was good parts and then there was some parts that I was like, oh, that was just a little much. I don’t think I like that. But then there were things that I did like. So I’m like, okay, well..." (Ana, 22:02)

• On the emotional aftermath:
  "It’s like a comfort thing too. I was like, oh, my gosh. I just did something completely out of character for me and I need you. Because he’s kind of my...he’s my safe place." (Ana, 24:59)

• Worst experience (infamous “G-spot lesson”):
  "First, second thing he asked me as we’re laying there and naked... Did you have your children vaginally or by C-section? What the—why is this a question you’re asking me? That is so not sexy." (Ana, 38:56)

• On her hotwife journey’s impact:
  "It turns him on. It turns me on. It's just been a great experience. I have not had any, like, regrets though." (Ana, 58:18)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [06:39] – Marriage background, monogamy, and sexual history
• [08:38] – Exit from religion & HRT boosting libido
• [10:30] – Opening up, four-handed massage idea morphs into hotwifing
• [16:36] – First bull encounter: nerves, boundaries, aftermath
• [22:56] – Second male partner, husband's enjoyment as voyeur
• [24:59] – Reclaiming sex and emotional intimacy post-encounter
• [27:31] – First threesome; husband participates (Discord connection)
• [34:30] – Ana plays solo, husband as supportive observer
• [36:14] – Couple swap gone wrong; awkward and unsexy moments
• [48:00] – Surprise hookup with longtime (non-lifestyle) friend
• [57:49] – Reflections on the experience and impact on marriage

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Final Notes

The episode is a candid, nonlinear dialogue with occasional comic interludes (Kathy gently teases Ana for storytelling style and nervous husband nearby). Ana’s journey is characterized by curiosity, honesty, and a willingness to learn through trial and error. Her story encompasses sexual awakenings, overcoming religious guilt, trust-building, and the unpredictable realities—good and bad—of non-monogamy.

Listeners considering opening their own marriages, or simply curious about real-life hotwifing dynamics, will find Ana’s narrative both eye-opening and relatable. For access to the Discord mentioned or to see photos, listeners are encouraged to join Kathy’s Patreon or check out her book.

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Transcript

[Kathy]

Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast.

[Anna]

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[Kathy]

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[Anna]

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[Kathy]

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[Anna]

Your friend know that you're banging her?

[Kathy]

No, no, he has no idea.

[Anna]

And anything goes. Motto of the show, let your freak flag fly. Probably the only good advice I'll ever give you is to re hide your whips. And ch. There is your host, Kathy. Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the Strictly Anonymous Podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow me at Strict Anonymous if you want to be on the show. It's called Strict Strictly Anonymous because they change everyone's voices and names. Okay, so if you have an interesting secret naughty life that you want to talk about while remaining anonymous or not anonymous, if you're out and proud, you could email me at strictly anonymous podcast gmail.com or go to my website, strictly anonymous podcast.com and click on Be on the Show. Now listen, if you have a naughty confession you want to leave on my confessions line, you could do that 24. 7. The number is 347-420-3579. That's 347-420-3579. Call from a quiet place. I can't use ones when people call where they're driving. 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So if you buy my book either in paperback or ebook or audiobook version the links are all in the description. I will also give you access to my private Discord. Like I said, if you join my Patreon or if you call into my show or if you buy my book, I will give complimentary access to my private Discord. My Private Discord is not a paid site. It is free, but it is private and you can only get in if I send you the link. I promise you, you will not be disappointed. My Discord is full of great effing people. Okay? So if you buy my book, send me a screenshot of your purchase and I will send you the link to my Discord. Last thing I'm going to tell you about is if you want to sign up for SDC.com I do have a free trial for my listeners. SDC is like the world's largest online dating website. And it's not just a place where you hook up with people. You could learn all about the lifestyle. You could find out about all the lifestyle events and meetups and all kinds of things going on in your neighborhood as well as if you're going to travel and you want to have a little fun, you're going to find it all on SDC.com Like I said, you get a free trial if you use my code, 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link. That's 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link. Okay, today I have on Anna. Anna has a story. It is a newbie story, but they did not play the long game. But like most newbies do, okay? And so I love a story that's different than other people's story. I love the long game stories, but this one's a fast game story. I mean, the minute she went on hrt, she got horny. Her husband decided to cop to the fact they wanted to see her with someone else and they were off to the races. I mean, there's many more details involved in them, sort of opening things up. But that's the short story. I'm not going to give it all away in the intro, but once they decided to go out and start looking, four guys, they hooked up with a bunch of them. She talks about all the experiences they've had. They've had many. And they've only been at this for a couple months. They've seen a bunch of bulls. They also hooked up with a couple. She tells that story. Her husband had a good time. She didn't have a good time. That's her bad story. That she tells. It's super interesting. They even met a bull to hook up with on My Discord. Okay, so that's a super interesting story. Her husband really likes to watch. He's only joined in once, and she talks about that. Most of the time he's watching and sometimes she's playing. Sol talks about that. Recently they hooked up with a friend. That's a whole interesting story. Sometimes she tells her stories kind of backwards. I don't know. I had to pull out a lot of details from her on this episode, but I got all the details. It's a super interesting story. You're going to love it. You could see Anna and her hubby are over on My Discord. You get into My Discord by joining my Patreon. I send the free link to you if you join My Discord, My Patreon, or if you get my book, Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. It's available on Amazon. Just send me a screenshot of of your order and I'll give it to you. And then you could go hook up with other people just like they are over on My Discord. My Discord is great. Anyway, Anna story is great. I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Anna. This is the Strictly Anonymous Podcast.

[Kathy]

Strictly Anonymous Podcast.

[Anna]

Hi, Anna. Welcome to Strictly Anonymous Podcast. How are you today?

[Kathy]

I'm good. Good, good.

[Anna]

You're good. So listen, Anna, you and your husband recently opened things up, right? I mean, I don't know how recent it, but things change. How recently did you open things up? You and your.

[Kathy]

Okay, we started talking about it in, let me see, August. Right?

[Anna]

Because you've done a lot. I mean, it was really like September to this amount of time. It was like a bunch of months. But you've been with a lot of guys and stuff and done a lot in that short amount of time. Right, right, right.

[Kathy]

We didn't, like, the first experience was at the end of September, but we started talking and doing it well.

[Anna]

Yeah, we're gonna get the whole. Yeah, we're gonna get the whole trajectory, but you still work fast. Okay. August to September, doing stuff. Yeah, you guys went all in. Yeah, you guys definitely didn't play the long game. And I like to have every different kind of story on my show. I mean, you guys are newbies, but you've been there, done that a lot of things in a very short amount of time. You also are newbies that didn't play the long game. Like a lot of couples, Right. Which is super Interesting to me. So let me just ask you, how long have you and your guy been married for you and your husband?

[Kathy]

Three years.

[Anna]

33 years. Okay, so. And you've always been monogamous, Just been with each other all those years? Had you. Did either one of you had like a, a lot of people in your past or did you guys like, were you.

[Kathy]

No, we were high school sweethearts. We both had been with like, you know, one other person.

[Anna]

Right, so you've been together almost forever. Right? Like so.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Right. Yeah. It's interesting. A lot of couples are like you guys. I mean, and I think those are the, you know, you're more likely going to be successful when you have that strong of a foundation where you just, you know, you're one of those people that I call them the lucky ones. Like, you just knew since high school who you want to be with for your whole life.

[Kathy]

I kind of grew up together.

[Anna]

Couldn't imagine that. So. All right, so what happened? Okay, so like, let me ask you this. Before all these 30 years, you know, you guys have been together, has the sex always been great? Like I said recently on an episode, like, there's two kinds of vanilla. Like, vanilla, like you guys were having great sex and you guys were open minded and had fun and all that kind of stuff, but you weren't like, you know, other people yet. And, and then there's vanilla where like, it's not so great. It's Ms. Stationary. It's. No one's really having that much fun and you know, it's not that often. Which vanilla were you guys?

[Kathy]

Okay, we would be the fun vanilla because we've always had toys. He's always like doing pictures and you know, like sexy pictures of me. We've done, you know, we've had great sex and we just never had opened it up. He's wanted to, but he never really talked about it.

[Anna]

Right, right. Okay.

[Kathy]

Straight up. Until recently, right now.

[Anna]

Okay, we have to add in here. And this is a common thread too. I forgot to mention this in the beginning that you did go on hrt, which a lot of times like, oh, yeah. I mean, it kind of changes the game. Did you like, is that what really like started things off? Like, because he's holding this stuff in that he's into. Right. Was it when you became like super horny on HRT that he started to cop to things?

[Kathy]

Yes, it was like this perfect combination of I started the hrt. We had just gone through this long process of deconstructing from a super high control religion in the little that we live in.

[Anna]

Oh, okay. And you both decided to get away from it at the same time, which is very good. Because if one person wanted to.

[Kathy]

Oh, yeah.

[Anna]

Leave and the other didn't, that would be like, oh, maybe you're going to go your separate ways. It was.

[Kathy]

Yeah, it was really kind of odd because we were just talking about it one night and we had both been going through this on our own and then we're like, oh, you feel like that too? Oh, yeah, me too. Like it. So.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

And then I went together from that. Yeah. I can't imagine not doing that.

[Anna]

No. Well, that would cause a bigger thought. Yeah. That's the reason why some people wind up going their separate ways because people wind up feeling differently about certain things and the partner doesn't, you know. And so it's great though, that, you know, so many years later you guys were still on the same page, even that at the same time. Right. It's like. It is kind of like a perfect storm. Right?

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Anna]

Yeah. So you decide to give up your religion. Right. And then what kind of hormones did you go on? Like, did you do pellets? Did you do injection?

[Kathy]

Yes, it's pellets. And I started. It's been like a year. So it's a year, you know, in January.

[Anna]

And tell everyone about the pellets. They make you immediately horny. Like, what happened? Like, where does your story start there with the pellets.

[Kathy]

Pretty soon after, actually. Yeah. It didn't take long before that the horniness kicked in.

[Anna]

Right.

[Kathy]

Like that. That did not. That did not actually pretty soon after. And that's also kind of what he was like, I can't keep up.

[Anna]

Yeah, so tell me the story. So it starts there. So what was going down? So you're like really horny. Yeah. You keep.

[Kathy]

Yes. So then we were. I guess it was maybe in August, he actually, I was going somewhere and he texts me and asked would I be interested in doing like a four handed massage. I was like, what is that? So he's like, me bringing in somebody else. I love massages, by the way. Like, we have a massage table upstairs in our house. That's just a thing. And so I was like, so you mean like you bring in somebody else that I might not know? And he's like, yeah. Which then became talking about a tantric massage, which he had actually heard a couple on one of your podcasts talk about. And so I start, you know, googling and looking up videos and I'm like, oh, okay. So these tantric massages these people get, these women get really horny when they're doing that and often have a happy ending. I said, are you, you good with that? And he's like, yes, because that's what he's been wanting. And so we thought, well, we'll just. He had heard of the SDC and the SLS sites and so he was just going to see if we could get somebody off of there that would just want to come do a massage like with him. Like a four handed massage thing.

[Anna]

We got it.

[Kathy]

And so the more we started looking, it kind of just started turning, started talking about it. And he was like, well, would you be interested in just having someone come over and you know, and you know, have sex with them? And he started telling me about like the hot wife thing because to be honest, I did not even know that. Have never heard of the term hot wife before. Like I knew of swingers and some lifestyle stuff, but not actual that term. Right.

[Anna]

Most people have it. I wouldn't have. I wouldn't know what it was if it wasn't for my show either.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I just, I was like, what is that? Anyway, Right.

[Anna]

So at first he's asked, let me just help you. Okay. Because you're like, I don't know if this is how you normally talk, but you're talking very slowly and it's like, let me just ask you this. So like really what's going on is you first think it's like a. Just a massage, but in your like maybe possibly going forward now he's asking you straight up, would you have sex with another guy in front of me? And explaining to you that like he actually would be turned on by that.

[Kathy]

Right. And I was. And that, yeah. I was like, okay. Which surprised him to death that I was like okay with it. But I think it was just that, you know, culmination of everything I was doing at the time. Yeah.

[Anna]

But let me ask you this. Were you surprised that he was into that? Did you have any questions or were you just like so horny from the pellets that you're like, let's do it?

[Kathy]

I really wasn't that surprised, to be honest, because he's always been, he's not a jealous person at all. And he's always wanted me to dress sexy when we go out. He likes it when other guys look at me. Like that's always turned him on. So it, it wasn't like a huge step. I wasn't.

[Anna]

That it wasn't out of character would be the right term.

[Kathy]

Right. Right. It wasn't out of character? No.

[Anna]

Okay, that makes sense. Okay, so go on. So you're like, yeah, I would do it it Right.

[Kathy]

So we.

[Anna]

And I just want to tell people, like, if they want, like, SLS and SDC are two, like, very big adult websites, and I always give out my code for SDC, which is 37712, people can get a free trial and SDC, SLS, like, these are great places to go on and, like, not only meet people, but also, like, find out about all the stuff in your area. I'm on sdc. I have a group over there. But I'm just gonna give out my code. It's 37712. If people want a free trial to it. So anyway, so you guys go on SDC and you're strictly just looking for a massage still, or now you going to, like, looking for bulls just to, like, have sex with you?

[Kathy]

Yeah, now we've kind of moved on to that.

[Anna]

Oh, okay.

[Kathy]

So that was.

[Anna]

The massage was his gateway into getting you definitely sex with another guy. That's kind of an interesting move for your husband. It worked because he knew you loved massages. He was smart.

[Kathy]

Yes. And at first he actually even had that in the, like, that description of what we were looking for. Somebody that would, you know, want to do a massage also.

[Anna]

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[Kathy]

Oh, the first guy was on SLS and he ended up meeting him for coffee. Seeing, like, he was still into everything, still texting. Like we had been texting him. He was still texting me after. And then all of a sudden just went ghost mode.

[Anna]

And yeah, that happens these kinds of.

[Kathy]

Heard from him again. It was just really weird. We don't know what happened.

[Anna]

But yeah, it doesn't matter. Go on.

[Kathy]

Yeah, so then we went. That was on sls. So then the next guy we found was on SDC and he lived in a town near us and talked to him a while. He was. Seemed super nice. Even like called and talked to me so I could hear his voice. We met with him. This was the end of September, so we met. We went to a hotel in the town he lived in, which was nearby, bigger, bigger city, and met at the bar, had drinks. And then he. He had done this before. So he was. We were the newbies. He was not. So went up to the hotel room. I was super nervous because never done anything like this before, but he was very good about making me feel, you know, calm.

[Anna]

Let me ask you a quick question, though. I'm going to help you here.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Anna]

What were your, like, going into this experience? Was anything not on the table? Was anything off the table? Like, was there anything you really wanted to do, anything you didn't want to do? Like, did you have, like, conversations about any kind of rules or boundaries going into that experience?

[Kathy]

Biggest rule was no anal. I was not that into that. And I like giving blow jobs. And so I was like, you, I'll do that, but don't come in my mouth.

[Anna]

Okay, so no swallowing. Swallow your husband, or you just didn't want to swallow him or you just don't like to swallow?

[Kathy]

I don't want to.

[Anna]

Okay. Okay. So you don't swallow anyway. So no swallowing, but. And no anal. But kissing. Everything else is okay, right?

[Kathy]

Everything else was good.

[Anna]

Okay, cool. Okay. And what is this guy? Like, paint the picture. Like, what did you pick?

[Kathy]

I'm white, he's a black guy.

[Anna]

Why did you pick this guy? Like, what was it about him? Were you looking for an interracial experience? Like what? You know what, did he have a big dick and you're a size queen? Like, what was the. Why pick him?

[Kathy]

Yes, kind of. And then he was just one of the first ones that kept messaging. And he just had a. Like a very easy personality. Like, he made me feel Comfortable?

[Anna]

Yeah, that's. I think that's very important for women. You know what I mean? That makes sense. That was more important to you than, like. It wasn't just the way he looked, it was the way he made you feel. Right. And making you feel comfortable. Yeah, that's a big thing. I think that makes sense.

[Kathy]

And I'm. That's very big for me anyway. Like, I have to have a connection.

[Anna]

I think most women are like that. Don't you think guys don't understand that? Because guys aren't like that. They don't need a second connection. But girls do. Yeah, totally.

[Kathy]

I do. I do. I need a connection of some sort.

[Anna]

Yeah. Okay. So he was like. He just knew. He had game and he knew how to make you feel comfortable. And I think that that's really huge. So you get there. The only thing that's off is no anal. Is your husband gonna participate or is he gonna sit there and watch?

[Kathy]

So he was just gonna sit and watch, take pictures. We had asked if that was okay, you know, ahead of time, and he was like, oh, yeah, that's fine. Just, you know, send me some. So we did that. He did, you know, video, took pictures. We started out just making out, kissing, that kind of thing. Then, like, undressed, he started. I'm trying to think how it all went down.

[Anna]

I mean, you had sex.

[Kathy]

He's a big. He was a big oral guy. So he did a lot of that. That.

[Anna]

Okay.

[Kathy]

Which I love. He's very good at it. In fact, he's. He's the guy I still see fairly often.

[Anna]

Oh, okay. So it was. So he goes. He started off going down on you, and that's a big thing. And you like that. And he was good at it. But you did wind up having sex with him, correct?

[Kathy]

Yes. Yes.

[Anna]

And now did your husband join or. He's just watching, taking videos.

[Kathy]

He just. For this one, he just watched and took videos.

[Anna]

And how was it for you? Were you able to, like, relax and get into it? Were you super horny for this guy? Was the sex really great? Because this is like the first time you're with a new man. Your husband's watching, he's videotaping. Like, how was it for you?

[Kathy]

Actually, I was pretty nervous, of course. And he was a lot rougher than what my husband is like. So that was different for me. He did a lot of, like, ass slapping and, like, pulling my hair stuff that I wasn't used to. Just. That's just not what we do.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

And so that was different for me. He was kind of rough a little bit. Like with my nipples. He would almost bite them when he was sucking on them. So that was. I very, very sensitive nipples. So that was kind of like I did not orgasm or anything, which I, I, to be honest, I didn't think I would because I knew I would be so nervous for the first time.

[Anna]

Of course, I totally understand. But how about. Well, like, was that experience good for you?

[Kathy]

Was there was good parts and then there was some parts that I was like, oh, that was just a little much. I don't think I like that. But then there were things that I did like. So I'm like, okay, well. And so since I've seen him a few times since he's gotten better too. Yeah.

[Anna]

Because you maybe communicated. Yeah. Maybe you spoke up and let him know. Yeah.

[Kathy]

Like, didn't want to say anything. Right.

[Anna]

So how would he know? Listen, the key to good sex is like, you know, communication. Right. This is a strange guy that has no idea he likes it rough. You don't. If you don't say, stop biting my nipples, like he thinks you might like it, you know, how does he know? So it's like, you gotta tell him. Yeah. And so, I mean, listen, you're still seeing him to this day, so obviously, you know. But I could understand not wanting to speak up or feeling nervous too, the first time. So that was your first experience. What happened after that guy?

[Kathy]

Okay, so then there was another guy that was even a little more local. And he's six nine, big guy. Like got a big cock. I'm little, I'm five feet tall. So I'd also been talking to him at the same time. Like we've been texting and stuff. And so it wasn't maybe the next week. We met him, had dinner and drinks, and then he had gotten a hotel room. So we went to the hotel room. Kind of started the same way.

[Anna]

Was this another black guy?

[Kathy]

No, this was a. This is a white guy. Okay, this, this is a white guy. Just really, really tall.

[Anna]

Yeah. Okay.

[Kathy]

So went to the hotel room, same, like straight out kissing. He was, He's a little rough. I guess that's. I don't know, not like the first guy. But he did like pick me up, kind of pinned me against the wall, me like that and then on the bed. And it was, it was a great time. I really, in fact, I also see him too still. Except now I go to his house.

[Anna]

Well, is your guy watching this time or is he participating?

[Kathy]

Yeah, he was. My husband was watching again. Okay, so it wasn't until the third guy that he joined in.

[Anna]

Okay, but the second experience, did you have an orgasm that time?

[Kathy]

No, I did not, but I did later when I started seeing him again more times. Again.

[Anna]

Okay.

[Kathy]

Yeah. When it was. It was just that. I guess it was just that first time thing. It's hard for me.

[Anna]

Yeah, I got it now. Did. How was the reclaiming sex with your husband afterwards? Like, was that where like, you were.

[Kathy]

Oh, yes. That's very good. Yes. In fact, with the first guy, as soon as he walked out of the hotel room, I was like, I need you right now.

[Anna]

Right?

[Kathy]

Yeah. And it was just. It's like a comfort thing too. I was like, oh, my gosh. I just did something completely out of character for me and I need you. Because he's kind of my. I mean, he's my safe place. So.

[Anna]

Yeah, that's kind of why they call it reclaiming. Some people find that word offensive, but, you know, it kind of makes sense of what you're saying. You like that, that. That makes you feel safe again, right? To go back to your partner.

[Kathy]

Yes. Yes.

[Anna]

Okay, what happened? What's the third time? Because the third time your husband get in, gets involved. Right, right.

[Kathy]

And that guy was actually. My husband. Found him on Discord. He had posted some pictures on. Was it on her Discord. On your Discord for. I don't even.

[Anna]

Oh, my God. Your husband's sitting right there. Is he making you nervous? Is he just, like watching you and making you nervous? Is that why you're stopping and we're talking so slow? Because you're looking at him for approval? Because we might have to kick him the out.

[Kathy]

Well, I had to have him in here because I have these little shih Tzu dogs that might start barking and I'll need him to talk.

[Anna]

Okay, but just stop looking at him. Because I could talk like, now it makes sense of why you're talking so slowly and then you're stopping a lot. Like, it's because you're looking at him, right? No, no, no. But you're. It's because you're looking at him for approval, right?

[Kathy]

Oh, probably. Yeah. Don't walking around in here.

[Anna]

Okay. Don't turn away from him. But was it from my Discord?

[Kathy]

Do what?

[Anna]

Was it from my discord?

[Kathy]

Yeah, yeah. So this guy.

[Anna]

You're kidding me.

[Kathy]

Found on your discord.

[Anna]

Oh, my God, I'm so excited. My first Discord story. I know people are hooking up from over there, but, like, this is like a good one.

[Kathy]

And actually he Knows that I'm going to be doing this.

[Anna]

Oh, that's fun. That's awesome.

[Kathy]

Because he's always, always on there.

[Anna]

Oh, my God.

[Kathy]

I've been with him more than any other guy, which is really weird because he lives in a completely different state way and comes down here to work. And that's how he found. I guess my husband had said something on one of the pictures about where we lived.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

And his messaging. He's like, hey, I come to this town in that area for work, like, you know, every three or four weeks, and do you want to step. Anyway, so we started talking to him, and I was like, oh, this is super cool. And he's a lot younger. He's late 30s.

[Anna]

Oh, my God. He's gonna have to chime in on Discord and say who he is. I want him to raise his hand over on Discord so we could see the hookups that are going down. Okay. So he comes into town and now. Now do you know ahead of time that your guy's going to get involved this time, or does it just happen?

[Kathy]

We had kind of talked about it already. Like, we had been in a group message, the three of us.

[Anna]

Huh.

[Kathy]

And then I had a message just with him.

[Anna]

Okay.

[Kathy]

In the message with the three of us, we had discussed that. Yeah. That he. I wanted to have a spit roast. And because I'd never done that before. So he was like, yeah, let's do it. You know, he was all for it. He had had experience with a couple before.

[Anna]

And so he comes into town.

[Kathy]

So he comes in town, same thing. Went and had a drink. And then he has a hotel room, of course, because he's here working. So we go back to his hotel room, get undressed, make out. Anyway, we. The guy, the Discord guy and I start making out and get started. And then my husband comes in and we do the spit roast, which I loved. That was something I'd wanted to do. So we got that fantasy fulfilled.

[Anna]

Yeah. Did you even know what a spit roast was before you started all this nonsense?

[Kathy]

Oh, no, never. Never heard of it before.

[Anna]

All of a sudden, you go on HRT and now you're spit roasting. Crazy, right?

[Kathy]

I've learned a lot of terminology.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Anna]

Come on.

[Kathy]

So that was. Was a great experience. And like I said, I still see him, except now he comes to our house, like, usually the. The night he gets here, and he'll come here for a while.

[Anna]

Wow. How much younger than you is he? He's. Oh, he's in his early 30s, and you're in your 50s, right?

[Kathy]

Yeah, he's in his, he's in his late 30s and I'm in my early 50s.

[Anna]

And what is his deal? Is he a single guy? Like what's his, what's his.

[Kathy]

Yeah, he's a single guy, you know. Now that's what he says.

[Anna]

Yeah. No, that's cool.

[Kathy]

And then he, he works all. He lives in another state, but then he travels for a bunch of different states for his work.

[Anna]

Yeah. So I'm a little, just interested in him because he's like one of my listeners and you met him on my Discord. So I'm like curious about him. That's so interesting. Okay, so, so that was. So how was that first threesome with you? Like, because now you've done it like solo with your husband watching now you know you've done spit roasting with him. Him there. Like do you prefer one or the other or is it all like super fun for you?

[Kathy]

It kind of depends on the guy. Like I love doing the spit roast with this guy because he's, he's comfortable with it and he enjoys it. Like he done mine. My husband joining in and everything. Like, he's, he's good with that. The other, the second guy that I go solo to his house, he's. And it's probably, most guys would probably be this way, but he's way more comfortable, so he's more relaxed. It's just a. I don't know. Well, it's just, it's better when he's, when we're alone.

[Anna]

He's more comfortable when your husband isn't there, is what you're saying.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Yeah.

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[Kathy]

The guy just asked. He's like, you know, would you like to come to my house one evening? Blah, blah, blah. Anyway, so at the first time, my husband was like, yeah, I'll just go drop you off. I've got to go run an errand. And that was also like a fantasy of his for me to be. To come pick me up after I've been with another guy. Right. So that kind of worked out. So that's how it started is he just dropped me off. Plus he, you know, wanted safety reasons, lived and all that. And then after that, the next, I don't know, two or three times, I just drove over there. And it was usually like in the afternoon. The guy works from home, so. But he likes to follow my location when I'm doing that, see where I'm at when I get there, See me, like, walk up to his bedroom. So he thinks that's right. That's hot for him. And then I come home and we do the reclaiming.

[Anna]

And that's every time you see this guy. Okay, what happened after that? Spit roasting experience. Are there. Have there been more than these three guys?

[Kathy]

Oh, yeah, there's been some more. Okay, well, I've had some. I've had good experiences and I've had bad experiences.

[Anna]

I like to hear the bad ones too. You don't have to only tell me the good ones. I think they're learning.

[Kathy]

Bad experience. Give me.

[Anna]

Yeah, give me all. No, listen, give me both. Right? Give me all the rest of them, because you still have a half hour. Right. So we have plenty of time. But I definitely like to hear the negative stories too, because I think they're always helpful. Helpful and learning experiences for other people, you know, so why not? It's real life.

[Kathy]

So the. Yeah, this was a pretty interesting one. So the. He had been wanting to decide if he wanted to find a couple, which I was all, that's fine. That's just hard to do. Yeah. So we find this couple. They come over to our house, and we've been talking to them for quite a while, you know, just texting and stuff. And so they come over, we hang out for a while.

[Anna]

Wait, and this is a couple?

[Kathy]

This is a couple, yeah.

[Anna]

Okay, so what's gonna happen with the couple? Are you gonna be with the woman? Is your husband?

[Kathy]

Yeah, I'm gonna. And he's gonna be with the wife.

[Anna]

Oh, okay. Well, that's important. Okay. So all of a sudden, even though Your husband's really into this hot wiping thing. You guys decide though, you want to do like a full swap too. Like you're into that, you guys.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Okay.

[Kathy]

I mean he, at first he wasn't, he was scared I would not not. And I was thinking, oh, I don't think I can handle that, like jealousy or whatever.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

But actually it doesn't bother me. I mean, I thought I kind of wanted him to have an experience too. It's like I'm out here doing all this. He needs to get to have the good experience.

[Anna]

Okay, so you decided to start looking at couples.

[Kathy]

So that's why we were looking for a couple. Yeah, I wanted him to have this same experience, you know, experiences I was having.

[Anna]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kathy]

And he had a good experience with the wife. I did not have a good experience with the husband. So it started off, we. We went to two separate bedrooms in our house. He went with the wife, you know, and I went with the husband. And right after we get. Well, first thing he asked me was, how long do you want to do this? Do I need to like go take something? I guess like, you know, keep him hard or whatever. I don't know. Like, I don't, I don't have it planned out. I don't. Yeah. And it was already like one o' clock in the morning by the time they finally got up there. So I was already tired. Anyway, first, second thing he asked me as we're laying there and naked, he was about to, I guess, eat me out. And then he's like, I have a question for you. Did you have your children. Children vaginally or by C section? What the. Why? Why is this the a question you're asking me? That is so not sexy. And I tell him and he's like, well, this guy's a anatomy teacher and he's kind of obsessed with it. So he's like, well, tells me some anatomy lesson thing and then he's like, oh, and there's all these different G spots. Let me show you where they are. He did not find a single one of them. Yeah. He kept telling me how he always likes to make sure the woman comes eight times before he does. Never got close. And then he ended up having Maybe, maybe a 2 inch penis. It was kidding.

[Anna]

Maybe that's why he was overcompensating with all this talk and all this you finding.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Stuff. Because the sex maybe wasn't going to be the end all be of it.

[Kathy]

It was very sad. Yeah. And he had told me he had all these, you know oral skills. So I'm like, okay, well, well, this is before I'd really seen the, the penis. So it's like, okay, this, this should be good. And it was not. I don't know if he did Photoshop or what, but the pictures were very deceiving that he had.

[Anna]

You're kidding.

[Kathy]

On sdg.

[Anna]

Do you think maybe he wasn't totally. Was he maybe not totally harsh, hard or did he. It was like, it was as hard

[Kathy]

as a guy took something, you know, hard.

[Anna]

Right.

[Kathy]

But he did tell me this is also a very completely non sexy thing. He does like the Ren fair stuff, the Renaissance fair stuff. And he said he had been wearing chastity kilt and I guess I don't wear anything under it. And he didn't know it at the time, but he had a yeast infection, had rubbed the end of his dick wrong all. And so he has no feeling in the end of his dick. He's telling me this story. Oh my God, this poor guy.

[Anna]

I mean, he just doesn't know how to compensate for that little penis of his. I mean, like, he's making it worse. Making it worse. He needs some coaching. This poor. I mean, I kind of feel sorry for him because nothing that he's doing makes him like a douchebag. You know what I mean? It just makes him like he just has no game and he doesn't know what to do because he's, he's doing everything wrong. But he's not like being mean. You know what I mean? He's just dumb. The fact that he's like, he's just way too much information. He's like, just, you know, and, and he like, I, I, I think, you know, a lot of times guys would sometimes overcompensate. Like, they, they are very, they, he should be really good at oral, right? If like, maybe, you know, and, and he's talking, but he's not really talked it up. Yeah. And he's not really. So it's just like, oh my God, this poor guy. Like, why doesn't his wife help him out? Out? I mean, come on.

[Kathy]

And they only do swaps. So like, she can't go on her own. So I feel really bad for her.

[Anna]

Well, listen, she could help him out. I mean, first of all, she gets that head too. Why hasn't she told him, like, up your oral skills. Supposedly you could find G spots. But he's not finding any. Like, I mean, where, I mean, I think his wife should be giving him like some help here because. Oh yeah, if he Treated you this way. He has to be this way with other slaps. And most of the time with couple swaps, people aren't going into separate rooms. They're typically playing in the same room together. So there's no way his wife doesn't know all this about him. Like, doesn't she tell him to shut the up about your yeast infection and your, you know, I would hope so.

[Kathy]

But he apparently didn't listen because that's what I had to listen to. That. And then it was just super strange. Super strange stories. Nothing sexiest all. Not that I was going to be turned on anyway.

[Anna]

But yeah, I listen, like I said, I, I mean I don't hear anything like he was being. He was like a douchebag or you know, being mean to you. But he certainly didn't know how to give you a good time, that's for sure.

[Kathy]

Oh no, not at all. So that was a, that was a one and done.

[Anna]

Right? Okay. But your husband, your husband had fun. Why did you guys play separate in separate rooms?

[Kathy]

Just space wise. Like the one room with the massage table and stuff. She wanted him to give her a massage and so they did that and so we went into the other like the guest room that they're like right beside each other.

[Anna]

Right.

[Kathy]

It was just I guess, logistics.

[Anna]

But do you come out like, I mean, did you like have sex with him and everything and just pretended like you faked an orgasm or something? Like how did you end things with him?

[Kathy]

I did have sex with him. I didn't even been faking orgasm. I just, I just, we just stopped. Did. Did it. And then he was like, well, his wife is bisexual. I'm not. And so he was like, she would really like to, you know, be with you or whatever. And I, I was kind of curious. Like I thought maybe I might enjoy that, you know, I guess I was. I've been bi curious. So we go into the room where they're at and then we have this huge beanbag. So my husband and his wife are on the bean bag and he comes in and he's like, hey, we're sorry to bust up your party or whatever. He's like, would y' all like to lay together? And so I'm laying on the beanbag then with her naked. And I decided I don't think I am die because I did not get turned on.

[Anna]

Oh no, I know.

[Kathy]

And it was super late at this point. I was just tired. I did not want to try something.

[Anna]

So how do you get out of.

[Kathy]

It wasn't even Sure, I wanted to do. So we were like, okay, let's just, you know, go to. They, they stayed the night and they just stayed in the guest room. So we were like, let's just go to bed, you know, maybe another time. And they've tried to, to get with us again, but I just can't do it. I told my husband, I was like, okay, I took one for the team here. I'm not doing that again.

[Anna]

But your husband had a good time with the wife?

[Kathy]

Yes, he had a great time with her.

[Anna]

Right.

[Kathy]

I was glad for that. Like I wanted him to have that. Right.

[Anna]

Did you see any other couple sins?

[Kathy]

That's the only couple we found. They've had a couple of other ones that we've talked to but we've never, we have yet to meet up. And I guess that started, we started looking in October, November for a couple. So we haven't been doing that very long. And it's really, it's just really hard to find them especially I guess maybe our area. I don't know.

[Anna]

Listen, there's. The problem is with couples it's like it's got to be a four way attraction on everybody's part. It's not like you guys just have to be attracted to them, the both of them. They have to also be attracted to you. Yeah, like there's just like so many variables in couple swaps that have to happen. That that's a reason why a lot of people start playing solo or it's separately because a lot of times it's hard. Like look like you get this couple and your husband and the wife had a great experience but you and the guy didn't, you know, and a lot of times people don't do find themselves saying exactly what you said. Like they're taking one for the team and they just get sick of that, you know. So I think it's. Sometimes it's harder to find. But listen, it exists, you know, for sure to find that great couple that you guys like and they like you and you have great sex and the chemistry is there and all that kind of good stuff. So you guys haven't taken couples off the table, correct?

[Kathy]

No, we're still looking for couples. You have like another one that we're supposed to meet up and have dinner with sometime and then we're going this next week, we, we're going to one of the clubs and, oh, a swingers club city. And we've never done that. Yeah, we've never done that before. So we're going to try that out and see if, you know, if we have better luck doing it that way. And we just kind of wanted. It's a. It's like they have a newbie night. And so we just were curious as to, you know, how these work. We've never done that.

[Anna]

Okay. What other guys have you seen? You did have more. I know that.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Yeah, we. So there's another one. I'm trying to think of some. Let me get my. So I have. Have had a guy with BBC, and he's another guy that travels from another city, comes here for. He's like a salesman. So he travels around, and I've been with him, I think, three times. We met at a hotel, and then he's come to our house twice. And he's. I really like him. He's. He's got, like, this just super great personality where he can talk to you about anything. You know, he's just open and great at sex. He's really big.

[Anna]

Do you like that?

[Kathy]

Yeah, I do.

[Anna]

Did your husband get involved with him?

[Kathy]

No, he doesn't with him.

[Anna]

How come?

[Kathy]

He just likes to sit back and watch.

[Anna]

Does your husband prefer to sit back and watch? It doesn't sound like he's typically involved that much.

[Kathy]

He. I think he does like to watch. Mainly he watches videos. Oh. We had another kind of fun experience. So we have a friend that came to visit us, and then we were gonna go. His wife was coming in later and we were gonna meet her. So after. We've been friends for a long time. My husband had gone on to bed, and me and the guy were just sitting here at our bar talking. And he's always been obsessed with my feet. Like, he just has a thing for feet.

[Anna]

And how did you know this? As your friend, he's just always told you that?

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Okay.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Yeah, he just. Yeah, he's told us that many times.

[Anna]

So he was knowing that you guys are in that lifestyle. Is he a lifestyle friend or just a regular friend?

[Kathy]

No, no, never. His wife is not into it at all. He's never done anything.

[Anna]

He doesn't know that you guys do this stuff?

[Kathy]

He does know. Yeah. In fact, he's my.

[Anna]

But how did he know? Because you guys told him. How did he know?

[Kathy]

Yeah, we told him he would like to do it. His wife's just not.

[Anna]

So he's just a good friend of yours that you guys just decided to tell him what you guys were doing?

[Kathy]

Yes. Yeah, we just. He's always wanted his wife to do it, so. Told my husband this for a long time. Before he told me. And so I told him, you know, if I'd had. After I'd been with somebody, I would tell him about it because he likes to hear the story. I mean, so he. Yeah, he knew. He knows all about that. Anyway, so we're. He asked, well, can I kiss you? And I said, I. Yeah, I guess so. And so he kisses me. We start kind of making out here. He wanted. He's always been obsessed with my boobs, too, because they're. They're pretty big, so he wanted to touch them, play with them, whatever. I was like, okay. I ended up giving him a blow.

[Anna]

Could I just ask you a quick question and I'll get you right back on track? Does his wife know that he's hooking up with you guys?

[Kathy]

No.

[Anna]

Okay. And you are friends with the wife?

[Kathy]

Not as much as him, but the wife knows you.

[Anna]

Like, I mean, you guys all have to know each other.

[Kathy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She ended up flying in, and we'd gone out and did some stuff later in the week, but. Yeah.

[Anna]

Okay, so. But. And she has no idea, though, that you're, like, banging her husbands?

[Kathy]

Well, I didn't have blow jobs. That's all I did.

[Anna]

Okay, but I'm just saying, you know, this is a good friend of yours for a long time, and you've never met his wife, Right? I mean, she's flying. But this guy. How long have you. I don't understand you. This is a good friend of your guys? You know him for a long time? Enough that you know all this stuff, and he's always told you all these things, but you never met the wife because he lives far away or something? Because she comes flying.

[Kathy]

Yeah, he lives in a completely other state.

[Anna]

Okay, how do you guys know him?

[Kathy]

We had, like, messaged and group messages and stuff, and so he had just come to visit. He had been on a trip, a hunting trip, and just decided he was close enough to us that he would just come comes.

[Anna]

Oh, your husband probably told him that you guys were banging other people and he flew in for that. I'm sorry.

[Kathy]

Pretty much.

[Anna]

I mean, come on. Isn't that what was going down? That's why his wife was flying in later, not with him?

[Kathy]

Yes, that's probably it, too.

[Anna]

Okay. His wife, though, has no idea my

[Kathy]

ring camera, so my husband got to watch it later.

[Anna]

So tell me what happened. So you didn't even tell me that your husband's not involved in this? He's not involved.

[Kathy]

No. He had gone to bed.

[Anna]

Oh, okay. He went to bed. Your Husband knowing that you're. Did he go to bed on purpose? Because he didn't want. Like, why is he going to bed when he. He knows that, you know, you're going to be banging some guy and. And he could join in or watch, really.

[Kathy]

He didn't really know. We didn't think that this guy would actually.

[Anna]

Okay, this is like, we're telling the story backwards. Okay. We're going back.

[Kathy]

It's.

[Anna]

That's. This story is being unraveled backwards, which is fine, you know, but you're not, like, giving all the details, so they're coming out, and it's like, you got to go back and think of the story. Okay. So you have this friend. He is married. He doesn't know. You don't know the. Like, he comes in. Your husband doesn't know. Like, you don't know ahead of time that you're going to be with this guy at all. He's just a regular friend.

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Anna]

Okay.

[Kathy]

And somehow been here a couple of days already. Like.

[Anna]

Okay. You and your guy hadn't discussed you hooking up with them?

[Kathy]

No. He told me, though. He said, you know, he's probably going to want to play with your feet. You know, he's got that thing about your feet. And we'd already been in our hot tub, like, a couple days before, and he, like, had rubbed my feet in the hot tub. That's it. So I thought, okay, that's. That's what he's going to do. He's going to rub my feet, and that's what he was doing at the bar. And then.

[Anna]

Does your husband know he's rubbing your feet? Like, there's all this flirtation going down. There's all this flirtation going down. I mean, that's not what normal vanilla people do. Right? Like, this is obviously, like, something's gonna happen. I don't know. It's confusing. Okay, so you go back to the house, and your husband, like, he goes to sleep not knowing that you're going to go further with this guy.

[Kathy]

Correct.

[Anna]

Okay.

[Kathy]

He said when he went to bed, he was like, I'm just gonna leave him alone. Like, he just. He was all for it. Like, he didn't care if that happened.

[Anna]

So he gave you the go ahead. You could hook up with him if you want to.

[Kathy]

Yeah. So I knew I. He was fine with it. I wasn't concerned about that.

[Anna]

Okay. Okay. So how does he make his move? And he obviously knew that you guys. He knows that you guys do this, so he starts rubbing your feet again at Home. And then what happens?

[Kathy]

And then he asked if he could kiss me, and I said yes. And he said, is it okay if I remember if he said, touch you or something with your boobs? So he. I had on, like, a sweatshirt, and he just went up my sweatshirt and was playing with my boobs. And then. And my. I don't remember how we. I'm trying to think of how we decided to do. Do the. The blow job.

[Anna]

Well, I mean, you know, happens. So you. But you wind up blowing him is what happens. I mean, you're making out now at this point, so, yeah, you know, what follows? Like, you know, second base, third base, then blowjob. You know, it's okay. Like, you could get straight to the blow shop because that's as. Yeah, that's as far as you got right with him.

[Kathy]

That's as far. Yeah, that's as far as we went. And then the next morning, he had left to go to the next place they were going to go hang out and pick up his wife. So he left pretty early.

[Anna]

I have some questions. You know, he blow. You blow him. He comes. He does nothing for you?

[Kathy]

No. Well, I think he was getting nervous, you know, about what he kept saying about his wife and stuff, so.

[Anna]

Is that why it didn't go further?

[Kathy]

Do what?

[Anna]

Is that why it didn't go further?

[Kathy]

I think so. I think so because he called me the next day on his way to pick her up and was like, are we. You know, are we good? Is everything okay? Is this. You know? I said, yeah, we're all good. He said, I'm not. You know, she doesn't need to know this. I said, okay, I'm not telling her. So.

[Anna]

So he felt guilty.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I think so.

[Anna]

Okay, but you felt fine. And you were. I mean, were you upset that he didn't do anything for you, or were you ready to end it? Did he end it or did you?

[Kathy]

Yeah, I was ready to end it because I thought that was. I didn't want to do anything more

[Anna]

because of the wife.

[Kathy]

You're right.

[Anna]

Okay. Yeah. You know, if I. I'm like.

[Kathy]

I didn't want to mess up our friendship and all that, so you just

[Anna]

said you never met her before. This was the first time you were going to meet her.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I hadn't, but.

[Anna]

So what friendship are you messing up? Oh, the one with your guy. The guy friend.

[Kathy]

Do what?

[Anna]

Who. What friendship did you not want to mess up up?

[Kathy]

The one between Hannah.

[Anna]

Oh, okay. Because he was getting nervous about his friend. Listen, I know you're not lying, but it sounds, but like, you know that it's funny how I get facts from you in like very, you know, circular, backwards, other kinds of ways. Don't worry about it. I get, I get it all. I'm extracting it all. So I'm getting all the details. You don't have to worry about. That's why I'm here. Yeah.

[Kathy]

Not the wife with, not the friendship with the. I didn't want to mess that up. I thought, okay, he's getting, getting.

[Anna]

He's feeling weird about it. Yeah. That's not hot.

[Kathy]

Yeah. And then I started feeling weird about it and I was like, this is.

[Anna]

Yeah. And you're not going to be turned on by that. You know what I mean? Someone feeling guilty. It's like, get the out of there. Okay. So. And then, so then when you woke up in the morning the next day, like, did you, did you tell your husband? Did you guys talk like.

[Kathy]

Yeah, he asked and I told him a little bit and I knew he would go look at the ring camera and so I knew it would turn him on to see what happened. And it did.

[Anna]

Right. And so that was hot. Have you, do you have plans to ever meet that guy again or do anything with him again?

[Kathy]

The friends, actually, we, we'll see them again. I mean, probably. I don't know about sexually, but we will see him again.

[Anna]

No, Well, I mean sexually, I'm not, you know.

[Kathy]

Oh, no, no, probably not.

[Anna]

Okay.

[Kathy]

I don't think so.

[Anna]

Right. That was a one time thing. So you're gonna. So you're on your way to. I'm gonna wrap it up. So you're on your way to a swingers club soon dune. Right? You're still on my discord, hooking up with people. You're seeing all these guys you have in rotation. Right? How has like, you know, opening up your relationship with your guy change things for you guys? That's my last question.

[Kathy]

We feel like it's made us closer. I know that sounds strange and I. Which you've probably heard that before, but it's just, I think you just have to have so much trust. And I mean it really. It turns him on. It turns me on. It's just been a great experience. I have not had it. Except for the, the bad experience with that weird guy.

[Anna]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kathy]

I have not had any like regrets though. Like, I have.

[Anna]

Yeah, that's great. And listen, I mean, you know, one bad story. You guys done a lot. You've kind of been there, done that in a short amount of time. I'm very happy that you gave the story for my Discord. You know, people could get into my Discord by joining my Patreon or getting my book. Okay, I'll just give that shout out. My Discord is private. I vet everybody that goes in there. And I vetted so many cool people because I feel like my Discord is full of like really great people and it's like a lot of fun in there. And it's so awesome to me to hear a story that on my show that happened with some, you know, people that met on my Discord. You know, like I said, I know people have been hooking up on there, but this is like the actual details of it. So whoever you are, Discord guy, like out yourself on Discord when this comes out because I'll give you guys access to the guest roll channel. Right. So you get. Your husband could post your pics over there. But do me a favor for my Patreon, if you could send me some like R rated pics for my Patreon. Nothing X rated, but if you want to send me like sexy shots of yourself for Patreon, of course, anonymous, that'd be great. Get them to me sooner than later so I know that I have them. Okay.

[Kathy]

Okay. Just like send them to you via

[Anna]

email just the same way you did, you know.

[Kathy]

On the email?

[Anna]

Yeah, on the email. All right, thanks, Anna. Thanks so much for calling in and telling your story. It was super interesting.

[Kathy]

Thank you.

[Anna]

Thanks, Anna. Bye.

[Kathy]

Bye.

[Anna]

Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out till August 25, but. But you can pre order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story, there's a cuck queen story, there's a cuck story, there's a gang bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top. Like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe. Right. But these are true stories, 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format, and finally, the audiobook book is available, coming out August 25th, but you could pre order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay? I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total, strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase. Whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback, send it to me at strictly anonymous podcastmail.com that's strictly anonymous anonymous podcast gmail.com and I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. This is the Strictly Anonymous podcast. Strictly Anonymous podcast.