Injury Prevention Is a Myth? What Coaches Get Wrong About Training with Jordan Shallow, Charlie Weingroff & Jordan Jiunta

Summary

Stronger with Don Saladino

Episode: Injury Prevention Is a Myth? What Coaches Get Wrong About Training
Guests: Dr. Jordan Shallow, Dr. Charlie Weingroff, Dr. Jordan Jiunta
Date: May 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Stronger challenges the concept of injury prevention in fitness, reframing the discussion around risk management, capacity-building, and smarter training. Host Don Saladino moderates a frank and practical roundtable with three leading voices in strength, rehab, and performance: Dr. Jordan Shallow, Dr. Charlie Weingroff, and Dr. Jordan Jiunta. Together, they explore misconceptions, marketing gimmicks, recovery culture, and the realities of building resilient bodies—whether you’re a pro athlete or average gym-goer.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Injury Prevention vs. Risk Management (02:49–05:53)

• Defining the Issue: Each panelist gives a <60-second take on “injury prevention.”
  • Jordan Shallow argues for performance orientation: build capacity to mitigate risk, not fixate on prevention.

    "I would rather people run towards the carrot rather than run away from the stick... Building capacity is...how most people are going to really mitigate risk." — Shallow (02:49)

  • Jordan Jiunta calls injury prevention “a gimmick," emphasizing strength, coordination, and capacity as the unseen protectors:

    "We'll never know about the injuries it does prevent... Training is being able to adapt to specific stressors." — Jiunta (03:53)

  • Charlie Weingroff insists, “There is no such thing as injury prevention." He calls it "injury limitation," and urges focus on granular risk factors, acknowledging participation always carries risk.

    "Perhaps if you don't participate, that's really the only way [to prevent injury]." — Weingroff (04:52)

2. Why Do People Actually Get Hurt? (06:03–09:33)

• Root Cause: All three agree—injury occurs when demands on the body exceed tissue capacity. The most significant factor: an imbalance between acute workload and chronic preparedness.
  • Shallow:

    "Injury is applied force greater than tissue tolerance... A big focus has been on recovery, but sometimes that can leave you fragile if recovery efforts actually decline your overall fitness." (06:08)

  • Jiunta:

    "Demands greater than capacity is when injury happens... With non-contact injuries... it's more an issue of recovery and handling force in that specific moment." (07:31)

  • Charlie Weingroff uses an analogy:

    "If the house is built properly it stands up. If it's not...maybe it stands up to one [storm] but not another." (08:27)

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3. Are We Over-focusing on "Recovery"? (13:22–19:07)

• The Recovery Trap: The conversation exposes the lure—and cost—of so-called recovery modalities (saunas, cold plunges, massage guns, etc.).
  • Shallow emphasizes individualization over blanket recovery advice:

    "General pop is so multivariate... Can we individualize this? Can we teach from first principles?" (13:22–14:49)

  • Jiunta critiques the “stacking” of recovery hacks for busy people:

    "If the hardest thing for you is to get in the gym... it's about doing better with the things you're already doing." (15:20)

  • Weingroff pulls no punches:

    "The single best recovery strategy is intelligent training. The next best recovery strategies are what you eat and what you sleep. We can stop talking now." (16:29)
    And, highlighting misplaced faith in shiny tools: "Did you even train hard enough to require some form of recovery?... The convenience of I'm going to do a sauna after I do this workout...you basically wasted all of your effort." (17:23)

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4. Unlightening Round: Hot Takes & Practical Wisdom (20:02–29:23)

Q1: Most overrated “injury prevention” exercise?

• Shallow: "World's Greatest Stretch"

  "I think it has a lot of atoning to do...not even sure how to execute it." (20:02)

• Jiunta: "Pilates—good for the core, burns and is hard, but...I don't want to lay down for 45 minutes when I have shit to do." (20:47)
• Weingroff: "Training for perfection of biomechanics and zero attention to work capacity and fitness." (21:09)

Q2: Most underrated movement?

• Shallow: "Walking lunges." (21:28)
• Jiunta: "Walking lunge is the goat; also, weighted carries." (21:39)
• Weingroff: "Some form of sprinting, relative to the individual." (22:20)

Q3: Exercise is a skill vs. progressive overload—what matters more?

• Shallow: "Exercise is a skill, especially as we age...keeps the main thing the main thing, which is quality." (22:59)
• Jiunta: "Without skill, there's no meaningful overload...developing coordination comes first." (23:33)
• Weingroff: "Skill feels like a very sport-ish thing... I would put that as quality well before quantity." (23:52)

Q4: If you weren’t in this field, what would you be doing?

• Shallow: (Joking) "Dealing drugs." (24:37)
• Jiunta: "Gambling influencer." (25:07)
• Weingroff: "Working with healthy animals, in a zoo or at Disney's Animal Kingdom." (26:13)

Q5: Something you changed your mind on in the last five years?

• Shallow: "More accepting of lower-carb diets in some populations." (27:29)
• Jiunta: "Cardio interfering with strength—used to be against it, now sees cardio capacity as sometimes necessary." (28:15)
• Weingroff: "Letting good be the enemy of great. Lowered standards from perfection has worked...it's okay to get a 92 instead of 100 on the test." (28:45)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Shallow (on injury risk):

  "Exercise is inherently safe. Resistance training...is pretty good data to support this. Playing flag football on the weekend would probably be exponentially more risk." (02:49)

• Jiunta (on prevention):

  "Injury prevention is a gimmick...Training is being able to adapt to specific stressors." (03:53)

• Weingroff (on recovery):

  "The single best recovery strategy is intelligent training. The next best...are what you eat and what you sleep. We can stop talking now." (16:29)

• Shallow (on generalized advice):

  "Giving flexibility...is what's going to empower whatever the general population is...It's like a meal plan versus teaching someone about macronutrients." (14:49)

• Weingroff (on overusing recovery tools):

  "If you're using them at the wrong time, you are largely wiping out...all of your effort in the workout." (17:23)

• Jiunta (on practicality):

  "People are fucking busy...it's not about adding in a sauna session..." (15:20)

• Weingroff (on overrated movements):

  "Training for a perfection of biomechanics and zero attention to work capacity and fitness." (21:09)

• Jiunta (on what he'd do if not a coach):

  "Gambling influencer...Blackjack’s the one." (25:07)

• Shallow (deadpan, on alternate careers):

  "Dealing drugs." (24:37)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Introductions and Main Question (“Is Injury Prevention Possible?”): 01:01–05:53
• Why Do People Actually Get Hurt?: 06:03–09:33
• Open Conversation—Recovery and Capacity: 13:22–19:07
• Unlightening Round: 20:02–29:23

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Key Takeaways for Listeners

• Injury “prevention” is largely a myth—capacity-building and intelligent training lay the foundation for real risk management.
• Recovery modalities are often over-marketed and may get more attention (and budget) than the basics: sleep, nutrition, and training quality.
• The “general population” is incredibly diverse; individualized, principle-based approaches outshine one-size-fits-all protocols.
• Building strength and skill are inseparable; overload comes after quality movement.
• Popular trends and exercises are often overrated or misunderstood; keep training (and advice) context-driven and practical.

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Whether you’re aiming to toughen up your body or your mindset, this episode delivers clear, candid, and actionable guidance—while busting more than a few fitness myths along the way.

Transcript

[A]

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[C]

Guys, welcome to Stronger. Today is all about injury and more specifically, how to prevent injury from happening in the first place. If that's even possible. Of course accidents will happen, but that's not what this episode's about. If you spend any time in fitness, you know, the term injury prevention gets thrown around like it guarantees outcomes. Is it risk management? How do we define it? So I've gathered my very good friends, an incredible panel to answer these questions. First up, Dr. Jordan Shallow. A previous guest on the Stronger podcast. Jordan is a chiropractor, strength and conditioning coach, and performance consultant based out of Canada. He is also the founder of Prescript. All right. Which in my eyes is one of the best certifications that a coach can turn around and take. He's got three levels. Next up is Dr. Jordan Junta. Jordan is known as the Functional Cairo Jordan. I didn't know people called you that, by the way, but take it. It's a pretty cool name. The functional Chiro. And recently just made a return to the east coast after practicing as a chiropractor in California for years. He is now living in the greatest city on the planet. He Also co hosts RX radio with Dr. Shallow. Jordan. Welcome, brother.

[D]

Thank you.

[C]

And also joining us, he should need no introduction. One of my sidekicks for a very long time. Charlie is a doctor of physical therapy, a certified athletic trainer, and a certified strength and conditioning specialist. He is widely known for his Train Eagles rehab approach and is one of the early voices pushing you don't separate rehab and training. Charlie. Welcome back, brother. So here's the topic again for today's opening conversation. Is there actually risk prevention or is it risk management? How do we define it? You'll each have 60 seconds. We pick your names at random. The first up is going to be Dr. Shallow. You're up first. And let's do it.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, injury risk management. I would, I would argue that most people should take a very performance oriented approach to their training, like the carrot and the stick. I would rather people run towards the carrot rather than run away from the stick. And I think building capacity is going to be, by and large how most people are going to really mitigate risk of injury rather than worrying about nuance or minutia. Exercise is inherently safe. Resistance training in the gym, as we sort of conventionally know it is inherently safe, especially compared to other recreational activities, is pretty good data to support this. Playing flag football on the weekend would probably be exponentially more risk than, you know, entering into a resistance training routine in your local commercial gym. So I think, I think the frame shift should be towards a performance orientation and building capacity. And that will land you away from the stick and with the carrot, so to speak.

[F]

I love it. And in time.

[C]

Fantastic. Jordan, this is like in under a minute, phenomenal. Junta. Jay, let's do it. You're up next.

[D]

All right. For me, in my mind, the way that it exists in the industry right now, injury prevention is it's a gimmick. And it's a gimmick around the marketing that is based around that idea. Right. I truly believe that increasing strength, increasing coordination, proprioception and capacity overall prevents injuries. And we'll never know about the injuries that it does prevent. And that's the benefit of it. Right. It doesn't have to be the star. It's just the base of performance. It's the base of being able to do the things that you want to do. And realistically, like training is being able to adapt to specific stressors. Right. So the idea is if we don't have the capacity to deal with the stressor of, say, if we're playing football, getting hit by, by a defensive tackle, then we're probably going to get injured and the base of all that is going to be strength.

[C]

Right.

[D]

If you put a professional golfer on a football field, he's going to get injured because he doesn't have the capacity to deal with the stress of that specific sport.

[C]

Thanks, Jay.

[F]

Charlie, I would say very categorically there is no such thing as injury prevention. We can perhaps call it injury limitation. I think there would be some angle that you can prevent injury, perhaps if you don't participate, that's really the only way. And not participating is really not going to fit very well in what most people's interests are. But really, if you look at things maybe a little bit more granular than our other answers, I certainly would agree. In all different forms of work capacity, I would look at if there is a specific tissue that is projected to be part of an injury profile, we look at that. And then, of course, any and all types of mechanical options, all of them, doesn't mean they're all equally weighted. But if you look at all those things, you know where the person's at, and then you start to deliver adaptations in those three categories, you got a shot at least doing the best you can.

[C]

Okay. I love that we're going to run into a round two, and this is almost a playoff of the first question. So why do people actually get hurt? And I'm not talking about through contact.

[E]

Right.

[C]

But what is actually going on in the body? What are they missing? I want to lead off with shallow.

[E]

Yeah. Injury is applied force greater than tissue tolerance. Right. So statistically, one of the greatest predictors of injury is doing a greater amount of work in an acute stage without the fitness to do so. So the majority of injuries can be linked back to basically this principle of acute to chronic workload ratio or fitness to fatigue ratio. Like a lot of people will drastically overreach their capacity and do so in a way that eclipses the tissue tolerance of their muscles, of their ligaments, tendons, et cetera. Right. So a big focus in this space has been a lot on recovery, but sometimes that can leave you in somewhat of a fragile state if your recovery efforts start to actually decline your overall fitness. And then acute bouts of fatigue leave you more susceptible for overreaching that tissue threshold. So I think there's a bit of a balance. I think Jay pointed on something or touched on something earlier about gimmicks and marketing and trends and things that are, you know, are part of this. I'm running out of time.

[C]

Oh, God, no, you're right. We can extend it. Finish your sentence. Oh, yeah.

[E]

I just think it's very marketable to sell recovery tools and saunas and hot colds and all of this stuff. But, you know, at the end of the day, does that detract? Is that an opportunity cost loss? And actually building your fitness with resistance training with builds capacity.

[C]

Right. And I'm going to continue on that question when we actually get through this. But, Jay, you're up.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

I think shallow hit it Hit the nail on the head. Demands greater than capacity is when injury happens. And that can happen in a lot of different ways. Especially as you know, this conversation is more pertinent as it pertains to sport because you have contact versus non contact injuries, right? And we have non contact injuries. That's. That's an issue of workload and recovery. It's something that's not necessary pertinent to the amount of applied force in that scenario because they've encountered that applied force before. But there's something in that moment that's not allowing them to buffer that force. Right. So that's more an issue of recovery and how they're dealing with that force in that specific moment versus like the acute injuries that are freak accidents. That's something that we can never predict, we can never fully prevent. The only thing that we can do is create the most amount of capacity to deal with these things that we know will happen. We just don't know when or to the extent that they will happen in sport or in gameplay.

[F]

Charlie, I don't have a lot of different scientific language to suggest anything here other than what's already been said. So maybe if I give you an analogy, it would simply be weathering the storm. I mean, there's lots of different types of natural disasters or weather patterns. And if the house is built properly, it stands up. If it's not built properly, maybe it stands up to one, but not another. What's obviously very different of the human system than a house is that we can selectively improve certain qualities after the quote unquote body is built. So it's really just hopefully being able to identify the storm that's coming and properly adapt in a sufficient way where that storm just bounces off of you and you move forward. Obviously that is impossible to create this type of machine in a human system. But again, if you know what's happening, you have opportunities to build. And that's really what an injury is. You just didn't build it big enough.

[C]

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[E]

I mean, I think the first thing is the concept of we. Right? I think this is where we run into a lot of trouble when using we to just. Okay, I understand. The irony is we as people in the industry, talking heads on a podcast is it all comes down to the level of the individual. Like, all. I mean, getting to know obviously Jay and. And Charlie and knowing their professional accolades in their careers. Like, I think one of the things that we collectively do well is the approach is so individualized. So I think that's something where, you know, these. These broad brush statements are. Are really counterintuitive to progress for most people at Mass because they get swayed towards these binary ones.

[C]

Well, we is going to be. When I'm going to reframe. I'm going to reframe we. We. I'm going to jump into and say the actual listener or the viewer, which is going to be general pop. I'm not talking about high level like you guys. I'm talking about. No, no. But I mean.

[E]

And that's kind of like the message I'm trying to dissuade is that the idea of general pop is. Is so multivariate that the idea of recovery is as a mass prescription, good or bad. I think is. Is probably a counterintuitive notion to like, be able to say good or bad, because I've worked with general population and that that is such a broad swath of experience and abilities and resources. So it's like, I really push towards, like, can we individualize this? Can we teach from first principles so that people can kind of take this. It's like a meal plan versus teaching someone about macronutrients.

[D]

Right?

[E]

Like I think there's a similar parallel there where someone goes off a meal plan, they're. They're lost, they're out in the middle of the ocean because they don't understand the first principles of nutrition. Where giving flexibility around these, these concepts, I think is like the thing that's going to empower whatever the general population is to be able to make concerted decisions around whether are they doing too much recovery and they're not recovering from enough stimulus. So I think I kind of want to steer away from, like, a general statement about the general population doing one thing, good or bad or too much.

[C]

Okay. Okay.

[D]

Fair.

[C]

Fair. Fair. Jeddah.

[D]

Yeah. When I think about recovery, it should be more about doing better as opposed to doing more. Like, if we're adding things to someone's plate, like people are fucking busy, like, if the hardest thing for you is to get in the gym, it's not about, like, adding in a sauna session and a cold plunge and buying, you know, X, Y and Z supplements. It's about doing better with the things that you're already doing, like how you're eating, how you're sleeping, your stress management, the things that are actually going to move the needle during the day, the things that you're going to have to do regardless, like if. If it's something that's going to take away or be another additional stressor, whether that's, you know, psychologically, whether that's financially, whether that's physically. It's not necessarily recovery. Right. We need to get people to manage their stress. We need to get people to eat well and sleep well. And that comes down to just doing better at the things that you're already doing. And I think that's. That's almost the extent at which I talk about recovery with the general population. It's not about getting another massage gun or, you know, X, Y and Z therapists. It's about actually working in the gym to your capacity and then maximizing the things that you're doing outside of the gym so that you can actually capitalize on those adaptations.

[F]

CW well, at the time of filming, we're just over one week away from WrestleMania, so this might break into a wrestling promo. Let's just say, for one, the single best recovery strategy is intelligent training. The next best recovery strategies are what you eat and what you sleep. We can stop talking now if anybody's interested in recovery. Beyond that, the questions that I think we should be asking. So if this is geared towards the general population, number one, what did you do to determine that you need to recover any more than eating or sleeping? If we do a good edit here, you could put a bunch of crickets because no one measures anything. Oh, no, no. This is very poignant because

[A]

when you

[F]

pick a recovery tool, eating, sleeping, all of these other mechanical devices that all have varying levels of efficacy, they largely work. However, what did you do to decide that you even needed it at all? Basically, did you even train hard enough? Was your social stress enough to require some form of recovery? That's number one. Number two, what did you do, insert crickets to decide that that that choice was correct? So you love the sauna. What did you like? You really believe that the sauna actually does everything? Recovery? Maybe the sauna does something different than the cold plunge, which does something different than the normatec, et cetera, et cetera. Ridiculous. And number three, because these things largely have a very effective physiological response, if you're using them at the wrong time, you are largely wiping out. Don, two years ago, before this stuff got published, we had a discussion about a very, very excellent product. And I said, like, you could do a big time squat workout and then use this thing and you will basically wipe out completely. What? So the convenience of I'm going to do a sauna after I do this workout, because the sauna will largely work. You basically wasted all of your effort in the workout. So there's three very, very big questions that people should be asking. And it doesn't mean these things don't work, but again, because they're passive, because you can just buy them and have them delivered to the house, it turns into this awful, awful mess when people aren't even training remotely hard enough to require this extra recovery. It's really getting very, very messy. And I hope any of our brands that we all work with, because these products do work. Don't get too mad at what I'm saying right now.

[C]

No, no, I think it's, I think it's honest. I just think everyone now is assuming that a recovery modality is going to cure cancer. I'm going to say it. So. But I, but I love what you said, cw, how it's really, it's about intelligent training. If you feel like you need that much recovery, what is going on in the training program or in your lifestyle which would warrant you to demand that? So, guys, phenomenal job, by the way. You all stayed on time to an extent. We're going to jump into our, what I like to call an unlightening round. We would normally put a timer up here. I'm not going to. Because I'm just going to tell you, you have roughly 15 to 20 seconds. Unlightening round goes to people, friends of mine, who like to talk, and it's all of us, and we can't land the fucking plane. So this is what we're going to do. We're going to throw a few questions out and you give me your answers in no more than roughly 15 seconds. We're going to start with shallow, then junta, then Charlie. Okay, guys, Most overrated injury prevention exercise. Shallow.

[E]

Oh, whatever. The world's greatest stretch is, I think has a lot of atoning to do, so I'm not even sure how to execute it. But whoever elected that, I wasn't a part of the election.

[C]

So, like, that was for stage.

[E]

That is.

[C]

Yeah, I think that was first taken Mark. Mark. It was Mark Verstegen. I remember that out of the API. And I remember. The reason why I'm laughing that you said this right now is because they're defining world's greatest stretch. It's not even the right world's greatest stretch. Like, they're. They're defining it as like a lunge to reach when it was really like, Charlie, how do you explain. It was like farm to the ground, going back into a hamstring stretch. It was something very different.

[E]

I feel like I should have been consulted. Yeah.

[C]

I just feel like I should be the greatest.

[E]

Yeah, I feel like shallow.

[C]

I love that answer.

[D]

It's Pilates by far. Pilates. There's a Pilates studio on every single block everywhere I walk here, and everyone just says it's good for the core and it burns and it's hard. Have you. Have you tried it? No, I haven't tried it because I don't want to lay down on my back for 45 minutes when I have shit to do Pilates.

[C]

Oh, you're hilarious, Charlie.

[F]

Training for a perfection of biomechanics and zero attention to work capacity and fitness. That would be the most overrated way to prevent an injury.

[C]

I love that answer. So one movement. People should probably do more of shallow,

[E]

depending on your body weight. Walking lunges.

[C]

I love the walking lunge. I think that's why if you had. If I had to name an underrated movement, I would say. I'd probably say that's it.

[E]

Jump to the world's greatest stretch.

[D]

Yeah, Honestly, I was gonna say walking lunch. That's the. That's the goat for me, too. If I had to say one other one, I'd say weighted carries.

[C]

I like it. Who was slamming me about Weighted carries. I think my. I think it was Dr. Mike Israel saw a video of. Of me training. Hold on, I'm gonna. Sorry, Mike. I'm gonna throw him under the bus right now. But he saw me training. Ryan Reynold started just immediately leaning towards how it's the most useless exercise for building muscle. And I'm like, that's not why we're doing it. Like, why, like, how do you start. How do you start criticizing someone where you don't have any context on why they're doing that movement? Sorry, Mike. Charlie, you're up next.

[F]

Well, I might tell you there. There could be a lot of things we all watch and slam it without knowing context. But I'm gonna go with some. Some form of sprinting relative to that individual.

[C]

Love that. Though I did hear. You know, I'm not gonna say this.

[F]

Am I gonna get in trouble for saying that we should sprint? Come at me.

[C]

No, no, I know. I. No, no, no, no, no. Absolutely, absolutely love it. I'm a huge friend and fan of Derek Hansen's work and Charlie Francis's work and, you know, come on. World. World class right there. So what would you put more value into? Okay, one of these two terms. Exercise is a skill or progressive overload.

[E]

Shallow exercise is a skill, much echoing Junta's earlier sentiment about quality. First, like that, I think is you can overcook it. Absolutely. Much to Charlie's point about the optimizing biomechanics, for sure. I think as we age, especially looking at the skill acquisition phases and the cognitive demands of learning exercises, for most people who don't have much athletic endeavor outside of going to a gym, I think that's not only keeps the body sharp, keeps load in check, but also makes the main thing. The main thing which is quality.

[D]

Love that Jay exercises skill. Absolutely. Without skill, there's no meaningful overload. So you need to develop a level of coordination and skill to actually necessitate overload. So I think that's, you know, not doing so is putting the cart before the horse. So it's definitely exercise of skills.

[C]

Thank you, cw.

[F]

Interesting, because I certainly don't disagree in any way, shape or form, but I didn't take skill to mean that where I would have said capacity, because to me, skill is like this very complex, very sportish type of thing where that may or may not have anything to do with health. And if you put somebody on a bunch of. Make sure I say this. Life fitness or hammer strength machines, only those you would develop a lot of lean mass and develop a lot of fitness but really have no skill. So I took that a little differently, But I certainly agree with what they're saying, and I would put that as quality well before quantity.

[C]

Thank you. So if you weren't in this field, what would you be doing? Shallow.

[E]

Dealing drugs.

[D]

Man's honor.

[C]

Oh, my God. Shallow. I love you, man. You're the best.

[E]

Other than working in the fitness industry,

[C]

it's the easiest way to make money. Well, now I'm hearing drug dealers are having a tough time. They're legalizing thc, But I don't know, it may not be the best thing to jump into, but we'll move on. Jay, you're up, buddy.

[D]

I think my next career is going to be as a gambling influencer. That's what I'm gonna do.

[C]

Oh, my God. I love you. Oh, my God. Jay, do you. Jay, do you want to go to Vegas with me? I don't know if you know this idea in Vegas. Let's go to Vegas.

[D]

Let's do it.

[C]

Dude, what's your. What's your game? I'm huge. Blackjack. Cancel it.

[D]

Baccarat is, like, a little bit better odds, but it's not as fun for me. So blackjack's the one.

[C]

Jay, listen, I've sat at tables for, like, 12 plus hours. We're just going to use the bathroom and not even eating. Like. Like, I don't know if you've ever seen. You ever see that? You ever see the movie snatched with Benicio del Toro? Well, there's a scene where they're talking about Benicio del Toro. And. And I think it's Dennis Farina goes, is he gambling other people's money? You can't get. Don't let him gamble, because they're going to give him the chop. And I'm not talking about his foreskin either. And out of nowhere, they go to this Viva Las Vegas scene, and he's, like, sweating, like, that's me in the casinos. Dude. You're already, like, your stock just went already from here to here. Hilarious. Oh, my God. Amazing. We're going to talk more. Charlie.

[F]

I would work in a zoo. I'd be working with healthy animals. How is that funny?

[C]

No, it's amazing. I was gonna guess for you it was gonna be like a Disney VIP guide.

[F]

Yeah. Well, how about this? I'd be working at animals. Disney's animal kingdom behind the scenes, taking care of the animals.

[C]

How about that, guys? Just a little for people who don't know Charlie's background or how you don't know this but let's put. We went to Charlie's bachelor party in Disney. I actually had one of the best times we've ever had at a bachelor party. It was hilarious. I think we got hammered in Mexico and saw one of our buddies, Chris, puke all over himself on the expedition Everest.

[F]

I think you just told the world that for the first time, by the way. I don't think that was supposed to be told.

[C]

I don't. Well, I just say Chris. I didn't give. Full name. I didn't give.

[F]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Let me. Let me. Let me. Let me tell you. It was. It was a hilarious experience. But I've been to Disney probably 20 times now in my life, and I'm gonna tell you, though, this sounds weird. Don't ask. I've been there probably 10 times with Charlie already, so at least. So, guys, we're going to go on to the next question. So something you changed your mind on in the last five years? Can be anything. Training, nutrition, life, anything. I don't care. Shallow. You're up.

[E]

I'm a little bit more accepting in more populations to lower to limited carbohydrate intake than I was before. I think. I think there's. Yeah, that. That's probably something that I'm a little bit more lenient on. I was pretty, like, isocaloric as far as your macronutrient goes. It's getting equal sources, but I. I'm more open to. To lower carb diets than I was before in certain populations. But before, I was pretty. Pretty steadfast on carbs. Got to be there. They got to be a generous portion of your overall calorie intake. And there's still populations where that remains true and my mind is unchanged, but I'm a lot more flexible in where I could apply it, like low carb diets. So that would be.

[C]

I. I love that, Jay.

[D]

Let's see. I'm gonna have to say cardio interfering with strength work. I think I was pretty. Probably about five years ago, I was pretty staunch. Like, don't move any more than you have to if you want to be strong. And I think over the years, I've lightened up on that a bit in the way that cardiovascular capacity, if it's limiting output, can be actually a detriment to strength work. So I'd say that's something that I've kind of come around a bit on

[E]

in the last five years.

[C]

Love that. All right, good answer, Charlie.

[F]

I say last five years, I've been nice, man. I haven't changed nothing. I might have a little cop out answer here. I'm going to say I feel very good about I have not let good be the enemy of great where I've lowered measurably lowered a standard of what I would want to see and expect from a training process and it works brilliantly and it's okay to get a 92 instead of 100 on the test and I felt. I've noticed that. I've tried to do it, I've been advised to do it and it's a nice thing to see something work like that. Well.

[C]

I love that. Great answers and I want to first off guys, I want to thank you for being here. We're going to include all your social handles below. This is going to be an incredible episode and for those of you joining in, thank you. Be sure to subscribe to the stronger podcast on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts until the next episode. Thanks everyone. The views, information or opinions expressed in the series are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Chip and Joanna Gaines by

[F]

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