Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, Dr. Layne Norton, and Dr. Donald Layman On Why The New US Food Pyramid Is Good For You

Summary

Stronger with Don Saladino – Episode Summary

Episode: US Dietary Guidelines - Are They Good For You?
Guests: Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, Dr. Layne Norton, Dr. Donald Layman
Date: February 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This special roundtable episode dives deeply into the newly updated US Dietary Guidelines, exploring whether these recommendations truly serve the needs of Americans. Don Saladino welcomes three of the country’s leading experts—Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (muscle-centric medicine), Dr. Layne Norton (nutrition coach and scientist), and Dr. Donald Layman (metabolic researcher and one of the authors of the current guidelines). Together, they break down major changes, clarify common misconceptions, and discuss the significant impact these guidelines have on personal and public health.

With a mix of insider perspective, research-based debate, and practical advice, this episode is vital listening for anyone invested in nutrition, longevity, and how science turns into policy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening & Introductions

• [00:45-03:40] Don Saladino sets the stage, introducing each expert’s credentials, unique perspectives, and personal connections.
• Lighthearted banter enlivens the tone and highlights the mutual respect between the guests.

2. First Impressions: 60-Second Reactions to the New Guidelines

a. Dr. Layne Norton

• [03:40] Largely supportive of the new guidelines: “A lot of the things are still pretty similar… limitations, added sugars, limit processed foods, limit saturated fat. I am very happy to see… dietary protein has now become a focus.”
• Stresses that controlling calories, getting enough protein, and fiber are the three most critical “levers” for health.
• Pushes back against blaming old guidelines for health problems:

  “If I followed one out of ten instructions, I don’t feel like that’s actually adherent.”
  (04:40)

b. Dr. Gabrielle Lyon

• [05:00] Highlights the shift toward prioritizing protein:

  “Protein finally gets the visibility that it deserves. Reprioritizes protein as the most important macronutrient, focusing away from the minimum to a more reasonable optimal number…”

• Celebrates deprioritizing refined grains and prioritizing whole foods.
• Emphasizes the real-world impact on schools, nursing homes, the military:

  “Guidelines do matter, and they influence vulnerable populations…”
  (05:55)

c. Dr. Donald Layman

• [06:11] Discloses he helped write the current guidelines.
• Three core shifts:
  1. Changing dialogue about saturated fat (less demonization)
  2. Prioritizing protein
  3. Accepting low-carb diets as viable
• Strongly disagrees with minimizing the pyramid’s effect:

  “We know that it drove down consumption of eggs, meat, beef, and dairy. We know that it increased the intake of grains, as predicted. It increased it by 40%.”
  (06:59)

• Reframes saturated fat sourcing:

  “Don’t be afraid to get it from the animal sources and the natural food, 100%.”

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3. What’s Changed? Old vs. New Guidelines

• [07:32] Discussion of how the “old pyramid was almost upside down.”
• Agreement that the move is historic, with visible pride in contributing to societal change.
• [08:22] Layne Norton emphasizes personal responsibility:

  “…If you think it’s the Food Guide Pyramid’s fault… but were you exercising? Were you doing the things you needed to do?… No guide, no recommendation—you still gotta do the dang thing.”

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4. Transformative Potential & Remaining Scientific Debates

• [09:54] Dr. Lyon notes the guidelines open vital new conversations:

  “It lays the foundation to get rid of the old and open it up to new. And that… is tremendous… It was quite an emotional experience.”

• [10:52] Dr. Layman addresses criticisms and admits not loving every detail:

  “I think it is a transformative process… We had it backwards that we weren’t prioritizing protein and were recommending eating massive amounts of grains. And that’s exactly what Americans did.”
  “Before 1940, people were eating about 10 pounds of seed oils per capita per year. Now it’s 75. That is fundamentally the problem…” (11:38)

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5. Research Integrity: Who Funds Nutrition Science?

• [12:05-14:45]
  • Layman and Norton discuss accusations of being “bought out” by industry.
  • Norton defends Layman’s ethics and the overall integrity of the research process:

    “My experience was nothing but him being the most rigorous, ethical scientist I ever met…” (12:09)

  • They laugh about being criticized by both extreme carnivores and vegans.
  • Both argue that funding source ≠ scientific bias:

    “If your only criticism of a study is the funding source, it says more about your bias than the researchers.” (14:51)

  • Lyon explains that commodity research often faces more scrutiny, not less.
  • Norton emphasizes importance of replicable data:

    “If there’s a problem with the data, somebody will catch it because it won’t be replicable. That’s why replication is so important in scientific research.” (16:39)

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6. Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Dr. Gabrielle Lyon:

  “Protein finally gets the visibility that it deserves. Reprioritizes protein as the most important macronutrient…” (05:00)

• Dr. Lane Norton:

  “If I followed one out of ten instructions, I don’t feel like that’s actually adherent.” (04:40)
  “No guide, no recommendation—you still gotta do the dang thing.” (09:19)
  “If your only criticism of a study is the funding source, it says more about your bias than the researchers.” (14:51)

• Dr. Donald Layman:

  “I actually wrote the current guidelines. So I’m guilty, I guess.” (06:11)
  “We had it backwards… That’s exactly what Americans did.” (10:58)
  “The number one source of calories in the American diet is pastries, cookies, and cakes.” (11:54)

• Banter:
  Don Saladino, on being confused for Dr. Paul Saladino:

  “That’s Paul Saladino, you whatever, idiot. And they literally responded. They went, ‘Sorry.’ And I just started laughing.” (18:58)

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7. Where to Find the Guests & Their Resources

• [19:57] Dr. Gabrielle Lyon:

  • New book: The Forever Strong Playbook
  • Instagram: @drgabriellelyon
  • Podcast and newsletter (“Strong Medical” telehealth practice)
  • Don contributed to training section, Dr. Layman to nutrition

• [20:45] Dr. Layne Norton:

  • Website and socials: @biolane and biolane.com
  • New podcast: The Dr. Layne Norton Podcast
  • Carbon nutrition tracking app

• [22:36] Dr. Donald Layman:

  • Nutrient Institute (501c3)
  • Upcoming protein quality website & app to help score foods based on new guidelines

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Notable Quotes with Time Stamps

• Dr. Layne Norton:

  “I tell people nutritionally, the two biggest levers… are controlling your calories and getting enough protein. Add a third: enough fiber. Do those three things, you’re way ahead of most people.” (04:07)

• Dr. Donald Layman:

  “We wanted to change the dialogue about saturated fat… to prioritize protein… and introduce the concept that low-carb diets were viable.” (06:23)

• Dr. Gabrielle Lyon:

  “Guidelines… influence vulnerable populations like schools, nursing homes, and military.” (05:55)

• Dr. Layne Norton:

  “I am very much about personal responsibility and what you can control… you still gotta do the dang thing.” (09:15)

• Dr. Donald Layman:

  “Now [seed oil consumption is] 75 [pounds per capita per year]. That is fundamentally the problem…” (11:38)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:45–03:40: In-depth introductions
• 03:40: Dr. Norton’s reactions to guidelines
• 05:00: Dr. Lyon’s reactions
• 06:11: Dr. Layman’s reactions and major changes
• 08:22: Layne Norton on personal responsibility and policy
• 09:54: Dr. Lyon on transformative power and policy details
• 11:38: Dr. Layman on seed oils and historical dietary shifts
• 12:05-16:45: Funding bias, research integrity, replication

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Summary Takeaways

• The new US Dietary Guidelines represent a significant shift toward emphasizing dietary protein, whole foods, and away from processed grains and excessive seed oils.
• Experts agree this update is overdue and will likely benefit vulnerable populations.
• Debate remains about the past effects of government guidelines, but all agree personal responsibility is essential.
• Criticism of research funding sources is often misplaced; scientific scrutiny and replication are better guards against bias.
• The episode is an insider’s look at how science shapes policy and a call for individuals to “do the work” in their own dietary choices.

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Recommended For:
Anyone hoping to understand the “why” behind national nutrition guidelines, or seeking actionable, nuance-heavy insight from leaders in evidence-based health and fitness.

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Transcript

[Dr. Gabrielle Lyon]

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[Dr. Lane Norton]

We heard you. Nine years of bring back the snack wrap and you've won. But maybe you should have asked for more.

[Dr. Donald Layman]

Say hello to the hot honey snack wrap.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

Now you've really won. Go to McDonald's and get it while you can.

[Don Saladino]

Welcome to Stronger. Today, we're doing something a little bit different. Today's episode is all about the new dietary guidelines. And I've gathered three of the world's top experts to help break it all down. Before we start, I have to introduce you to my incredible panel. First, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, board certified physician and New York Times best selling author. Known for muscle centric medicine and her expertise in how protein and muscle impact aging, performance and disease prevention. One of my closest friends, my sidekick, gee, I love you. And by the way, she's about to become author to her third book. I think it's her third book.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

Second.

[Don Saladino]

Second. Okay, third will be after that. Next we're going to go into Dr. Lane Norton, expert nutrition coach, known for blending scientific research with practical application in bodybuilding, powerlifting and general health. He has a PhD in nutritional sciences from the University of Illinois. Two time world champion powerlifter. And Lane, it seems like as you're getting older, you're just continuing to get stronger, which I think is an incredible inspiration. I first heard you, I think it was on the generation iron documentary 15 years ago. Whatever it was, it might have been 10 or 15 years ago. And I knew then from watching you what an incredible mind you are in the industry. And it's just been great to watch you evolve to even a higher point. So thanks again.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

Thanks, Don. I appreciate it.

[Don Saladino]

Lastly, Dr. Donald Layman, World renowned metabolism expert, internationally recognized for his research about dietary protein and amino acids. Professor of nutrition at the University of illinois with over 120 groundbreaking studies. Dr. Layman. Thank you. And I think Dr. Layman, we met at Dr. G's event, I think a few years ago. I've, I've gotten to hear you speak a couple of times, which I'm jealous of Lane because I know he got to study under you.

[Dr. Donald Layman]

You mean Lane studying under me or me having Lane? Which, which is, which was, which was the treat?

[Dr. Lane Norton]

The Honor was all mine. He had to deal with me, unfortunately.

[Dr. Gabrielle Lyon]

And to piggyback on that, we all know here who the favorite was.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

She sat in the front row and I was in the back row doodling. You know, both with true. All joking aside, big honor to be on here with two of my good friends and my mentor. You know, it was a real honor to study under Dr. Layman. And I think one of the things that really was great was I felt very intimidated going to school, being a competitive bodybuilder and meathead, essentially. And he completely embraced it, which I really appreciate because I'm sure I had some pretty cockamamie ideas of what would make good research studies when I got there.

[Don Saladino]

Well, it worked out. It worked out for all of you. So here is how things are going to work today. Each of you will have 60 seconds to share your initial reactions and feelings about the new guidelines. Okay? And then after we each get through 60 seconds, we are going to have a little discussion. I'm going to kick some questions to you. We're going to keep it really light, really fun, keep the banter up. I love it. So, Dr. Norton, we're going to kick it off with you.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

So I think, for the most part, I really like the new guidelines. A lot of the things are still pretty similar in terms of, you know, eat enough fruits and vegetables, limitations, added sugars, limit processed foods, limit saturated fat. I am very happy to see, due to the work of Dr. Layman and many others in this field, that dietary protein has now become a focus. I tell people nutritionally, the two biggest levers you can pull for health overall. If you only did two things is controlling your calories and getting enough protein. And then if you want to add a third, getting enough fiber. And if you do those three things, you're way ahead of most people. And so those are reflected in the new dietary guidelines. It has seemed like I've been against the new dietary guidelines. I'm not. I think that they're very good. I get a little bit miffed when people say, well, the old ones made us sick. I'm like, well, people did like one thing out of it. They increased their carbohydrate intake, but they also increased their fat. They didn't exercise and they over consumed calories. So, you know, if I followed one out of ten instructions, I don't feel like that's actually adherent. So I think that in some ways the old pyramid was unfairly demonized. But I would also say that I think that this is an improvement.

[Don Saladino]

Awesome. And, Dr. Lyon, I know you were just in D.C. you're up next.

[Dr. Gabrielle Lyon]

I couldn't be frankly more thrilled. I think protein finally gets the visibility that it deserves. Reprioritizes protein as the most important macronutrient, focusing away from the minimum to a more reasonable optimal number, which was 1.2 to 1.6 grams per kilogram. Here's what else I will say. The idea that we should prioritize real foods is incredible. The other part is deprioritizing refined grains. Again, we already know that the food guide pyramid really changed the way we eat. Most people will say, well, I don't know why anyone cares about it, because no one is following the food guide pyramid or food recommendations anyway. And I think that we need to have more faith in Americans because that's not true. When we, you know, in the 1980s, the average cholesterol consumption was 700 milligrams per deciliter. Eggs were bad. Everything was bad. And then we reduced cholesterol. And then you would go to your doctor hearing, eggs are bad for cholesterol. Don't eat red meat. That causes heart disease. I'm out of time. But we do. Guidelines do matter, and they influence vulnerable populations like schools, nursing homes, and military.

[Don Saladino]

So, yes, Dr. Layman.

[Dr. Donald Layman]

Well, I have a unique role here in that I actually wrote the current guidelines. So I'm guilty, I guess. I think there were three overriding issues in my mind. One is we wanted to change the dialogue about saturated fat. We wanted to shift the priorities to prioritizing protein in your decisions, and we wanted to introduce the concept that low carb diets were viable. I totally disagree with Lane and the fact that the old pyramid didn't cause problems. We know that it drove down consumption of eggs, meat, beef, and dairy. We know that it increased the intake of grains, as predicted. It increased it by 40%. We know that it increased total calories. So, you know, I think the shift toward prioritizing protein and stopping to argue that where you get your saturated fat, these shifts, that caused us to move. We get 35% of our saturated fat now from processed seed oils. I think the guidelines now saying, don't be afraid to get your saturated fat. We may want to still control it at 10% or whatever, but don't be afraid to get it from the animal sources and the natural food, 100%.

[Don Saladino]

I mean, looking at the food pyramid where it was, I mean, you feel like it was almost a bit upside down, right? I mean, now this is an absolutely huge change. Like what this came Out. I'm sitting here going, oh, my God. Like, we are seeing a massive change in society today. This is something that the three of you should all be very proud of, because I think it takes, you know, it takes an army, right? It takes all this incredible information out there to drive a lot of these leaders, these world leaders to make change.

[Dr. Gabrielle Lyon]

And.

[Don Saladino]

And all of you guys. You know, Lane, whether you were in D.C. or not, it didn't matter. You're still one of those people at the forefront. And you guys. You guys should be. You guys should be excited about that. I mean, that's. But who. How can anyone think against this? I mean, I don't want to start talking politics. I never do that. But I have heard, like, people are excited about it, and there are other people who are slamming it. Can Gabrielle.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

Can I add one thing, Don? Because I think people who watch my content would probably say, oh, Lane is against the new Food Guide Pyramid, which I'm not at all. I think what people miss with some of my stuff is I am very much about personal responsibility and what you can control. And what my concern is is that people tend to want to offload responsibility. And so what I would say is, if you think it's the Food Guide Pyramid's fault that we had this huge obesity spike, okay, but were you exercising? Were you doing the things that you needed to do, the big things? And so this Food Guide Pyramid, again, great that it's protein centric. Love it. Obviously, huge win for myself. Don, Gabrielle, people like us still focus on whole foods, fruits and vegetables. If you follow the Food Guide Pyramid as it is, the new one, you will, I feel very strongly you will be a healthier person, you will be healthy, but you still got to do the work. And so that's what I really try to get people off is like, hey, no. No guide, no recommendation. You still got to do the dang thing.

[Don Saladino]

Right? Right. I mean, I'm. I'm just. I'm just happy that people are seeing the light and the vision is going in that direction. I couldn't agree with you anymore. So, Dr. Lyon, let's. I know you said earlier that you felt like you were out of time before the 60 seconds. What do you want to add to this?

[Dr. Gabrielle Lyon]

Well, first of all, I couldn't be happier. Maybe Dr. Donald Lehman would ever. Maybe he will publicly share the story about how all of this came to be, but it has been a very personal mission for all of us on there, all of us on this call. Frankly, in various ways, this is what I think is going to be very transformative because if nothing else, it opens up the conversation and shows where the science is missing. I mean, how is it that we can't decide on saturated fat? How is it that we can't figure out, is it 44 grams if you have a 4000 calorie diet, or is it 16 if you have a 1500 calorie diet? Just, it lays the foundation to get rid of the old and open it up to new. And that just is just so tremendous. I mean, when I was there, it was quite an emotional experience.

[Don Saladino]

Exciting. And Dr. Layman, you were at the forefront of it. So, I mean, how was the experience?

[Dr. Donald Layman]

The thought is everybody on the Internet telling me that I'm bought out by the protein world?

[Don Saladino]

So. Well, sure. I mean, that's why.

[Dr. Donald Layman]

So nothing. You know, I, I think that it is a transformative process. I'm not necessarily fond of every part of the icon of the upside down pyramid, but I think the message is correct. We had it backwards that we weren't prioritizing prote and we were recommending eating massive amounts of grains. And that's exactly what Americans did. Whether Lane thinks there was a message or not, that's what Americans did. And the evidence is absolutely clear about it. The seed oil, the seed oil area, I think it's both a quantity issue and a quality issue. The quantity issue. And before 1940, people were eating about 10 pounds of seed oils per capita per year. That was what was available. Now it's 75. I mean, that is fundamentally the problem that has happened is that we've put these fats into everything. The number one source of calories in the American diets is pastries, cookies and cakes.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

You know, it pains me that people are saying that, oh well, you know, Don is bought out by whoever they think he's bought out by or whatever it is. I mean, I. My experience was nothing but him being the most rigorous ethical scientist I ever met. And I can remember many times him saying, I don't care if we're wrong, if our hypothesis is wrong. I would just want to get the right answer.

[Dr. Donald Layman]

Lane and I spent seven years together, actually.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

Yeah, a good portion. I said, you know, I got used to being really wrong a lot in graduate school. It was a good experience for me. And, you know, I think being wrong can be a beautiful thing in many, many ways. And people. Don, you'll find this hilarious because I don't bow to the carnivore diet. And I, I point out that, you know, maybe fruits and vegetables are actually pretty good for us. I get a lot of people in the carnivore space claiming that I was bought off and that I'm a vegan soy boy. And I said, I thought you were.

[Dr. Donald Layman]

Going to go with big broccoli or something.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

Yeah, I said, you know, it might surprise you to find out that my research was funded by the National Dairy Council, the National Cattlemen's Beef association, and the egg Board. So if anybody has a bias towards more protein, and specifically animal protein, it's me. But, yeah, you won't catch me saying that vegetables are toxic for you.

[Don Saladino]

All right, well, yes, please, Chief, one more thing.

[Dr. Gabrielle Lyon]

Because, again, I was there. I feel very strongly about this. Let's say you have commodities like beef or egg or almond. A certain amount of money has to go to research. There's. There's a mandate where this goes to research where it is scrutinized and just to further contribute to the science rather than saying someone is funded or not funded. What does that even mean? If anything, there's more rigorous scrutiny on those types of, say, a beef checkoff paper or something like that, or beef checkoff funding. One would say that. Is this data, good data? And what is the integrity and the history of the scientists? Don is someone who is a professor emeritus with a lifetime achievement award who has innovated the protein hemisphere is. If there's an issue with the data, let's look at the data. Let's not make these claims. It's kind of like the. What is it? Smokescreen for actually not addressing the science.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

Yeah. If I could add one more thing. Sorry. One of my favorite quotes is if your only criticism of a study is the funding source, it says more about your bias than the researchers. I don't know if people realize this, but money for studies does not fall from the sky. And the NIH is pretty stingy. If it's not with cancer, cardiovascular disease, or something, that's very hot. Nutrition typically doesn't get that kind of attention, unfortunately. And especially muscle, which was the redheaded stepchild of nutritional research for a long time. Thankfully, now moving more to the forefront. But I think, you know, in terms of what's problematic far beyond research funding bias, because I'll tell people, I'm like, I got funding from these three sources, and the only interaction I ever had was I met somebody from the egg board for 20 seconds at a scientific conference, and here's what it went like. Thank you so much for funding my research. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you so much for doing it. Okay. By that, that, that's literally my interaction with them. I had to provide like an update every six months about what we were doing. That was it. There was no interference. There wasn't somebody in a dark coat over my shoulder while I was doing pipetting telling me, don't you want to put a little bit more in that tube? Like, that's not how it works. And if there's typically, if there's a problem with the data, somebody will catch it because it won't be replicable. It won't hold up over time. And that's why replication is so important scientific research. So, yeah, I would say it's important that we do have scrutiny around funding sources. But if that is your only criticism of a study, then it's more likely to point out your bias than whatever the researcher was doing.

[Don Saladino]

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[Dr. Lane Norton]

First of all, Don, you must have been, as a fellow meathead, very insulted because he's quite skinny and you are jacked. So, like, what's up?

[Don Saladino]

What's going on here?

[Dr. Lane Norton]

You know?

[Don Saladino]

Yeah, but I mean, you know, he's, he's an interesting guy. I mean, I think he brushes his teeth with his own urine. We don't have to get into that. But interesting stuff. But, but that's it. That's it. That's a whole other topic for an entire other day. But first off, guys, thank you so much. And what I would like to do in closing is I'd like to just kick it around. We'll start with Dr. Lyon. Where can people find you? What are you working on? And then we'll, and then we'll go.

[Dr. Gabrielle Lyon]

Down the road depending on when the podcasts come out. I have a brand new book, the Forever Strong Playbook. First of its kind. Yes, Those are all sorts of things. And by the way, there's a training section here, dawn, that you contributed to. It's a labor of love. And Don Layman contributed to the nutrition portion of this book. And this is right in line with the dietary guidelines. My second book. You can find me on Instagram. Dr. Gabrielle Lyon. My podcast, which every single person on this show right now has been on my podcast, if not multiple times or within that. And yeah, YouTube. I have a great newsletter. And we have a medical practice called Strong Medical where we are still seeing patients. And that's a telehealth.

[Don Saladino]

So she's my doctor I love it.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

Dr. Lane, you can find me on the interwebs as Biolane on most social media platforms and my website is also biolane.com I have recently, in the last, I guess recently, last six months, launched my own podcast, the Dr. Lane Norton Podcast. And I am working on my first book, but that will probably not be out for over a year. But I'm very excited about it. It's going very well.

[Don Saladino]

So hot on Gab gills. You're going to write that book in about a month. I think the over under is a month. Whether I'm going on a year right now with my book and you're going to write yours, probably under a month. So very impressive actually.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

So I had actually already written it and it was an ebook and my business partner was like, why don't we see if any publishers want this? And then the publishers fell all over themselves to try and get it. So yeah, it was already written.

[Don Saladino]

And also I want to give you a little plug. My app of choice, my nutritional app that I use happens to be the carbon app, which I'm in love with. My community uses it, we absolutely love it. And a little plug. The people are like, well, how's this different? The compliance feature, guys, the compliance feature allows you to have your own coach where every seven days it is going to hold you accountable. Are you compliant? Are you not compliant? And just to some quick context is I had someone recently who came to me and they're like, I can't lose weight. I'm like, are you compliant? They said, what do you mean? I go, let me show you the feature. Three weeks they lost whatever it was, I think it was 7, 8 or 9 pounds because they were then compliant. So I think a lot of times with these, nutrition, with these, with these counting apps is that people just log in and they're not really holding themselves accountable. Please check out the carbon app. And Dr. Layman, let's close it with you.

[Dr. Donald Layman]

Well, as a retired guy, I try and keep busy. One of the first things is surviving the backlash from the dietary guidelines. That's first and foremost. The second thing, sort of working on how the body uses fuel. So we're sort of, I'm working with Gabrielle sort of on a carbohydrate tolerance kind of concept. Third thing I'll mention is I work with a 401C3 group, I mean, sorry, 501C3 group called the Nutrient Institute. And we have a massive data set. We've just put out a protein quality website that will be published in Journal nutrition shortly. It contains all of the protein quality data from around the world that's currently publicly available and we also have a huge data set on we have over 300,000 foods with full nutrient identity. We're putting out an app shortly that will basically allow you to take the new food guide, food guide information, the dietary guidelines, and you can then go through and basically look at protein bars and it'll score them based on our data.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

Love it.

[Don Saladino]

That's exciting stuff. So everyone, thank you again guys. You're so generous with your with your time. Obviously subscribe to the Stronger podcast with don saldin on YouTube wherever you get your podcast. So guys, thank you so much.

[Dr. Lane Norton]

Thank you Don.

[Don Saladino]

Thanks guys.

[Dr. Gabrielle Lyon]

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