Behind the Scenes Minis: Bias 3DS

Summary

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Stuff You Missed in History Class

Episode: Behind the Scenes Minis: Bias 3DS
Hosts: Tracy V. Wilson & Holly Frey
Release Date: October 17, 2025

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Episode Overview

This behind-the-scenes minisode features hosts Tracy V. Wilson and Holly Frey reflecting on the week’s “Unearthed” episodes and diving into recent discussions about bias in archaeological reporting, language and accessibility in historical research, and museum technology. The conversation offers a meta-analysis on how history gets filtered through multiple systems before reaching the public, layered with personal anecdotes, reflections on media discourse, and their trademark banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Bias in Reporting and Archaeological Research

(03:14 – 13:01)

• Layers of Bias in Publication
  The hosts reflect on a paper discussed in the main episode, exploring how bias affects not only which stories get covered by press, but also who gets to do, fund, submit, and publish research in the first place—especially in archaeology.

  • Tracy: Emphasizes the “many factors that go into, before the paper even gets published”—who does research, where, who gets funding, and safety considerations.

    “The layers...do definitely involve, like, they start prior to even submitting the paper to a journal… so many factors that go into, like before, before the paper even gets published.”
    (04:35)

  • Holly: Questions whether language was considered as a bias factor in the research—do only English-language papers get considered?

    “What makes it into those journals?... So what starts out with a bias already.”
    (04:11)

• Geographical Gaps and English-Language Dominance
  Tracy observes persistent regional disparities in coverage, especially across Africa outside of Egypt, and the hurdles for non-English-speaking researchers.

  • Tracy:

    “As far as I know, those journals are published in English, which means that, you know, somebody doing the research would need to be writing in English, able to translate or have resources to have a paper translated…”
    (06:34–06:51)

• Limits of Press Coverage & Primary Sources
  Tracy recounts how she’s often unable to verify non-Western or non-English-language archaeological news stories. Language barriers prevent following up on intriguing discoveries outside the anglophone press.

  “So one of the things that happens somewhat regularly is that I will have bookmarked a news article…But I'm not able to figure out like, was there a journal article about this?...Sometimes I just can't…”
  (06:58)

• Ethics, Collaboration, and Community-Led Research
  Tracy describes her increasing focus on collaborative and community-led research involving Indigenous peoples—choosing not to spotlight work that treats communities as “objects of study.”

  “…archaeology has sort of approached a lot of indigenous peoples around the world as like objects to be studied rather than human beings…”
  (07:51)

• The Dangers of Misuse and Mischaracterization
  Both hosts explore how archaeological findings can be exploited to support harmful ideologies.

  • Tracy:

    “When mischaracterized archaeological data can fuel harmful ideologies...I also think it's possible…for archaeological data to be presented in a way that's not mischaracterized at all, but is also used to fuel harmful ideologies...”
    (09:54)

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2. Notable Quotes from the Bias Paper

(Relevant in the above segment)

• Quote read by Tracy:

  “Quote, skewed coverage may be particularly charged for archaeology, a field with large public interest that generates understandings about past cultures with real or imagined descendants. When mischaracterized archaeological data can fuel harmful ideologies.”
  (09:54)

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3. Museum Technologies: The Louvre and the Nintendo 3DS

(17:01 – 20:29)

• Retirement of the Nintendo 3DS at the Louvre
  Tracy shares news about the Louvre discontinuing the use of Nintendo 3DS devices for its tours—devices she enjoyed for their geolocation features and 3D visualizations.

  • Tracy:

    “When we were in Paris, to get the audio tour at the Louvre, you had to give them your ID because they were renting you a Nintendo 3DS...it knew where you were in the museum, and it could pull up contextually relevant stuff for you…”
    (17:45–18:12)

  • Holly shares that her group preferred to socialize over using headsets. Tracy speculates the Louvre may shift to app- or QR-code-based tours for convenience and accessibility.

• Tech and Accessibility

  • Both discuss how personal device-based solutions can improve accessibility but note some personal discomfort with headphones, especially for situational awareness in public.
    • Holly:

      “I don't love being in public with headphones on...I'm like, if there's an emergency and I don't hear it.”
      (19:44)

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4. Messy Medieval Manuscripts & Song of Wade

(20:29 – 21:59)

• Tracy recounts confusion reading research on the “Song of Wade” due to name overlaps between characters and researchers. As someone with bad handwriting, she relates to medieval scribes making mistakes.

  • Tracy:

    “...some scribe working with a document that was in both Latin and Middle English might have just made some unclear writing choices that people later were like, what does this say?”
    (21:21)

  • Holly:

    “Although theoretically, if that person had bad handwriting, they wouldn’t be a scribe…Or they may have already given notice and they're kind of coasting, you know, a short timer day.”
    (21:33–21:44)

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5. On the Evolution and Appropriation of 'Woke'

(26:06 – 31:43)

• The Misuse of “Woke”
  Tracy discusses her discomfort with reading a presidential Truth Social post on air and delves into the origins and pejorative twisting of the word “woke.”

  • Tracy:

    “The first time I remember seeing anyone use the word woke…was one of the many incidents we have had in the United States in which police killed an unarmed black person…And [the tweet said] ‘if you are just waking up, stay woke.’”
    (26:20–27:41)

• Cultural Appropriation and Political Distortion

  • Both hosts lament how “woke,” with origins in Black activism and vigilance, has become a political insult—often appropriated and misused by outsiders, then further weaponized.
    • Holly:

      “Some of the problem comes from the appropriation of language like that by well intentioned white people...”
      (29:18)

    • Tracy:

      “There’s also…an increasing body of research…that is remarking on…a big disparity between what progressives are actually saying and what conservatives are saying they're saying...”
      (30:02)

• Smithsonian Letter and Power Dynamics

  • Tracy expresses skepticism at the federal government sending “collaborative” directives:

    “Anytime I have gotten a letter or an email instructing me of something and telling me that this instruction is collaborative, I'm like that. That's not what collaboration means. Accurate collaboration is not. You tell me to do something and then I do it.”
    (31:19)

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6. Light-hearted Ending: The Antikythera Mechanism

(31:48 – 32:34)

• Holly shares her delight that the ancient Antikythera Mechanism makes frequent appearances in “Unearthed” episodes, joking that even hearing actor Mads Mikkelsen say the word gives her “10 minutes” of dopamine.
  • Holly:

    “…in my head, it's like Pavlov's dog. The bell rings and I just hear the incredibly, incredibly appealing Mads Mikkelsen saying 'etikatera' and I'm like, okay, I'm good.”
    (32:13)

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Memorable Quotes

• On Layered Bias:

  “The layers of what factors are going on here do definitely involve, like, they start prior to even submitting the paper to a journal.”
  — Tracy V. Wilson (04:35)

• On ‘Woke’ Appropriation:

  “Some of the problem comes from the appropriation of language like that by well intentioned white people... Who then adopt it into their vernacular. Probably misuse it a lot. And that makes it easier for people with nefarious intent to then twist the meaning.”
  — Holly Fry (29:18)

• On Collaboration:

  “Accurate collaboration is not: You tell me to do something and then I do it.”
  — Tracy V. Wilson (31:19)

• On the Antikythera Mechanism:

  “Pavlov’s dog. The bell rings and I just hear the incredibly, incredibly appealing Mads Mikkelsen saying 'etikatera' and I’m like, okay, I’m good.”
  — Holly Fry (32:13)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Bias in Archaeological Reporting & Publication: 03:14 – 13:01
• Museum Audio Tours & Nintendo 3DS at the Louvre: 17:01 – 20:29
• Medieval Scribal Errors & The Song of Wade: 20:29 – 21:59
• The Word ‘Woke’ and Political Language: 26:06 – 31:43
• The Antikythera Mechanism & Dopamine Delights: 31:48 – 32:34

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Tone & Takeaways

The conversation is thoughtful, candid, and personal—balancing intellectual critique of academic and media structures with vulnerability and humor. Holly and Tracy’s rapport brings even complex power dynamics and media criticism to an accessible level, while ending on light personal joys, like the enduring mystery of ancient Greek engineering.

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Summary by expert podcast summarizer – for listeners craving context, nuance, and the flavor of the original voices.

Transcript

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

Hello and happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

[Holly Fry]

And I'm Holly Fry.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

We did our unearthed installment for the autumn of 2025. All week long this week.

[Holly Fry]

We sure did.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

We did. What should we talk about first, Holly?

[Holly Fry]

So at the end of the first episode, you talked about a study about the way that bias factors into reporting on historical and specifically archaeological finds.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

My question throughout all of that, because I have not read this paper.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Was there any weight or factoring given to language?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

So these, what they were looking at was papers that were published in these, the specific set of peer reviewed journals, which I could be mistaken. I do think those are all in English. I do not know if any of them publish articles that are not in English. And I don't recall if. I don't recall if, like there was a language specification in the paper.

[Holly Fry]

But that's kind of my question. What makes it into those journals?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Right. So that.

[Holly Fry]

So what starts out with a bias already.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Yes. And that is something that the paper did not really look at that much.

[Holly Fry]

And I'm not, to be clear, I'm not dogging on the paper writers. I'm just saying the bias layers go even deeper and I was curious about where they started from.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. So one of the things I had a lot of thoughts when I was reading this and one of the things that I think is absolutely true is that the layers of what factors are going on here do definitely involve, like, they start prior to even submitting the paper to a journal. Like it involves, like, who is doing research, where are they doing it? Can they get funding for that research? Does that funding require them to publish? Are there factors in how that publication has to happen? Or where are the places that people would like to do work safe for researchers and specifically a lot of the time safe for researchers from somewhere else. Like, there's so many factors that go into, like before, before the paper even gets published.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I think some of that, as I was looking at this paper, I was sort of surprised because when I am working on these, I feel like there is a huge disparity involving the entire continent of Africa. There's a lot of research that is involving Northern Africa and especially Egypt, but I don't see nearly as much stuff about the rest of the continent. Right. But then in terms of what this paper looked at, which was comparing the publications in the journals to whether it gets mainstream news coverage, like, that wasn't as pronounced because they were starting like they were comparing peer reviewed publications to news articles and not like comparing the world of archeology to what gets published in one of these journals. Does that make sense?

[Holly Fry]

Yes.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

So yeah, there's many layers involved with this. As far as I know, those journals are published in English, which means that, you know, somebody doing the research would need to be writing in English, able.

[Holly Fry]

To translate or have resources to have a paper translated by someone with archaeological knowledge.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. So one of the things that happens somewhat regularly is that I will have bookmarked a news article that says sounds really interesting, that is from China or Japan or India or Vietnam. And what I have is like a really brief article in the English language version of a mainstream newspaper published in one of those places. But I'm not able to figure out like, was there a journal article about this? Where can I find that journal article? Can I find more information beyond this one, like three to four paragraph news story? And sometimes I just can't, I can't trace back the details that are in the news story to find more information from like a university that might be writing about the research's press releases or a paper or something like that. So there are multiple intersecting layers that go into all of this. We have talked about, or I have talked about before, about how I started really trying to focus on research that is collaborative and community led when it comes to indigenous peoples as much as possible. And that winds up excluding some things from the show a lot of the time, because as a field, archeology has sort of approached a lot of indigenous peoples around the world as like objects to be studied rather than human beings who are here and present with us on earth. And so a lot of times when I see an article that seems really interesting that is about something involving an indigenous community, my first question is like, did you ask, like, are the people living here today, do they want this work to be done and are they involved in it? And like that. Those are all questions that were just, they were not part of this study. The study was just really about like, what are trends and potential biases involved in like the gap between peer reviewed journals and news articles. Another thing that was quoted or a quote that I had pulled out from the article that I did not wind up getting into in the episode itself because I, I just, I felt like that was getting a really long was quote, skewed coverage may be particularly charged for archaeology, a field with large public interest that generates understandings about past cultures with real or imagined descendants. When mischaracterized archaeological data can fuel harmful ideologies. And so what this part of it was about was the misuse of archeology to like support racist narratives. We have talked about people trying to argue that Britain and Northern Europe, Norse countries as a place that was historically exclusively white, which is just not true, but how archaeological findings about, say, Vikings can be used to try to support these racist ideologies that are not grounded in any kind of fact. I also think it's possible for archaeological data to be presented in a way that's not mischaracterized at all, but is also used to harm, to fuel harmful ideologies, which is like as just a made up hypothetical example. We are here in the United States going through, just as we talked about in the show, just ongoing assaults on the fields of history and the idea that we should be accurately reflecting the past, including the many ways that things have gone really wrong. And I think it's totally possible to look at an archeological site of say a colonial community and say, oh, it looks like this colonial community had a bunch of different people from a bunch of different races and ethnicities. And based on this evidence, it seems like everybody was living a pretty egalitarian, equality based lifestyle and then trying to use that to like undermine the fact that there was a lot of slavery, inequality, genocide and inequality going on. But like then this hypothetical made up thing that could have been particularly true, like for this one community, like we are living through an era of the federal government trying to create narratives using history and by extension archeology. And I think it's, it's so easy for me to, to imagine things that can be picked out of, you know, the, of history and historical documents and archeological research and all of that. That straightforwardly correctly interpreted findings can then be used to further hateful agendas. And I was like, this explanation of this has become incredibly long. Let's narrow down the focus of the discussion of this paper to be a little more, a little, a little more on the what the core of it was, which was this comparison of peer reviewed articles to news coverage.

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Other random stuff that I had written down. One of the news articles that I had found that I had bookmarked that I was gonna put in, and then I was like, I think this might be of interest only to me, which is that the Louvre has stopped renting out Nintendo 3DS for their audio and video tours at the museum.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

When you were at the Louvre, did you get one of these? No. Patrick and I did, and it was really cool.

[Holly Fry]

Keep in mind, I went to the Louvre when we were all there in Paris with my gaggling group of friends.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Fry]

We're not. We want to talk to each other. We want to comment on the art. We're not going to sit there and listen to headsets.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

So funny to me. So whenever 90% of the time, I would say, when Patrick and I go to a museum together, we get the audio tour. And when we were in Paris, to get the audio tour at the Louvre, you had to give them your ID because they were renting you a Nintendo 3DS. And because of the location awareness abilities of the 3DS, it knew where you were in the museum, and it could pull up contextually relevant stuff for you.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And there were also places that had, like, a 3D counterpart to the object that you were looking at. So, like, let's say you're looking at one of the statues that has lost various pieces of it in the millennia since it was made. The 3Ds could have on the screen, like, a 3D overlay view of what all the pieces were. It was really, really cool. And so when I saw this article, I was like, oh, we're gonna talk about that. And I was like, I don't think that's relevant to, like, 90% of the people who would be listening to this, especially since there was no indication of what is replacing it at the Louvre. Like, what is. They've stopped issuing them as part of this, but they have not said like, what is the next thing that will be available as some kind of audio or video tour?

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. It makes me wonder if they're gonna go with an app.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. So many places now have apps or just QR codes on the wall that you can look at with your phone. Yeah. Which is also really cool and I think helps to make museums in some ways more accessible. I would say the, the typical person coming to a museum who's an adult probably has a phone and hopefully earbuds with them and can be a little easier, especially if you already have accessibility settings on your device that help you with things that might be a little easier than like the, the units that you carry around with plug in earphones. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I don't, I don't love being in public with headphones on.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

It makes me super uneasy.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Because I'm like, if there's an emergency and I don't hear it.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Listen, my whole life is situational awareness, so I'm like, I don't want to. I very. It's infrequent that I will listen to headphones even on a flight. I'll subtitle it and sit there and be on my reading.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I don't know what that's about. I don't know what part of me is like, you're going to miss something important if. If it's kind of the same part of my anxiety that doesn't like taking like prescription grade pain because I'm like, I will not be prepared in an emergency.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. What if something happens? Right. Another note that I had jotted down about this installment of Unearthed was two things about the Song of Wade. One, one of the researchers involved with this was named James Wade, not related to the Song of Wade, but boy, did it make various reading about this confusing to me because there would be references to Song of Wade and Wade the character and then James Wade the researcher. And every once in a while I was like, wait a minute, who are we talking about here? Are we talking about a poem or a living person? Also, as someone who has for my entire life had bad handwriting, boy, do I empathize with the idea that some. Some scribe working with a la a document that was in both Latin and Middle English might have just made some unclear writing choices that people later were like, what does this say?

[Holly Fry]

Although theoretically, if that person had bad handwriting, they wouldn't be a scribe.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Well, they might have just been tired.

[Holly Fry]

Maybe, or they may have already given notice and they're kind of coasting, you.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Know, a short timer day.

[Holly Fry]

Like, what are they gonna do, fire me? I'm just gonna whip through this as quick as I can. Let's throw in some mythological creatures and really jack it up.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

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[Sacred Scandal Narrator]

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[Jonathan Goldstein]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I guess the last thing that I wanna talk about is from the very beginning of the two parter where I had to read something the President put on Truth Social.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Which I ask you ahead of time. And I said, you would rather not.

[Holly Fry]

I'm pretty game for most stuff, but I was like, girl, I can't do it.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. So I what I wanted to talk specifically about, one of the portions that was in all capital letters of this Truth Social post was about how the United States cannot be woke because woke is broke. And so I just want to talk about the word woke for a minute. The first time I remember seeing anyone use the word woke. I do not remember exactly which incident this was because there have been so many, but it was probably 10ish years ago and was one of the many incidents we have had in the United States in which police killed an unarmed black person. And there was horrifying video of what had happened. And on Twitter, because this was back in the earlier era of Twitter, someone tweeted they were a, they were a black person. You, you could tell from the tone that they were, were tweeting two other black people.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And said, if you are just waking up, stay woke. And so the idea was, if you are seeing this and you're really absorbing what is happening for the first time and you're horrified. Stay, stay present with this. Stay aware of what's happening. And so this is a term that has been used primarily among black Americans for a really long time with those kinds of ideas being awake and aware to what is going on around you.

[Holly Fry]

Right. It's like situational awareness at the meta level.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. And to like the world that we are living in and to like the realities of that world and the harm that it causes specifically to black people. And so the fact that people have taken that term and turned it into like political correctness version 2.0 to criticize anybody who tries to use like progressive language or to try to inc. Be inclusive in terms of how they talk about things like sex and gender, to be racially progressive, to be anti racist, to be any of that. The fact that it's become this weird insult about a lot of the same things that people used to yell at us about being too PC over. Yeah. It just makes me really angry. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

And I will say this. Some of the problem comes from the appropriation of language like that by well intentioned white people.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Sure.

[Holly Fry]

Who then adopt it into their vernacular. Probably misuse it a lot.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

And that makes it easier for people with nefarious intent to then twist the meaning. Which is why I think it's super important for people to be careful.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

About trying to be cool. And I'm putting that in quotes. That's definitely in scare quotes. But like appropriation of language, there's a reason that we're so nitpicky about it. And that's an example of why.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Right. There's also at this point an increasing body of research on things like social media and linguistics, how we use different language and how things are being covered in media and talked about in media. That is remarking on a, like a big disparity between what progressives are actually saying and what conservatives are saying they're saying. And it's like what conservatives are saying progressives are saying is driving the bus rather than what is actually being said. So yeah. I did not like having to read that true social post on the show. But I also felt like it was an important part of context.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

For the letter to the Smithsonian, which read on a just straightforward surface level, I can see people being like this sounds reasonable though. They're saying it's collaborative and forward looking, but not like, I don't know.

[Holly Fry]

But also I go back to the thing that like the Smithsonian should not be getting that Letter.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Right.

[Holly Fry]

Right from the White House.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Period.

[Holly Fry]

End of. End of discussion.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Also, anytime I have gotten a letter or an email instructing me of something and telling me that this instruction is collaborative, I'm like that. That's not what collaboration means. Accurate collaboration is not. You tell me to do something and then I do it. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Anyway, would you like to end on a note? That is my ding dongery.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I would love that.

[Holly Fry]

I love any and every time that Unearthed features the Antikythera mechanism because I love it to begin with. As you know, that's extremely my jam. But also because now I can just, you know, in my head, it's like Pavlov's dog. The bell rings and I just hear the incredibly, incredibly appealing Mads Mikkelsen saying etikatera and I'm like, okay, I'm good.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I'm good.

[Holly Fry]

For at least the next 10 minutes, my dopamine needs are handled. Great.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh, yay. Yay. I will make sure every single time. Well, since this. Since this five year project of dives to the Antikythera shipwreck is over, I'm not sure what the next finds related to that might be.

[Holly Fry]

Surely someone else is in line for their next shot at it.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, I will make sure to always include that. I think I just heard a siren. Everything's fine at my house. If anyone is alarmed. Whatever's coming up on your weekend, man, boy do I hope it is just as amazing as possible. If you like to go outside and sit in the warm grass and there's warm grass you can go sit in. I hope you get to do that and then check yourself for ticks afterwards, if you would. If you're more of an inside kid and you want to spend some time playing video games or watching tv, boy do I hope you have the best video game and TV watching time. We will be back with a Saturday classic tomorrow. We will have something brand new on Monday. Stuff you missed in history class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Hello, America's sweetheart. Johnny Knoxville here. I want to tell you about my new true crime podcast, Crimeless Hillbilly Heist from Smartless Media, Campside Media and big money players. It's a wild tale about a gang of high functioning knitwear who somehow pulled off America's third largest cash heist.

[Ed Helms]

Kind of like Robin Hood, except for the part where he steals from the rich and gives to the poor. I'm not that generous.

[Johnny Knoxville]

It's a damn near inspiring true story for anyone out there who's ever shot for the moon, then just totally muffed up the landing.

[Ed Helms]

They stole $17 million and had not bought a ticket to help him escape.

[Holly Fry]

So we're sitting like, oh, God, what do we do? What do we do?

[Ed Helms]

That was dumb. People. Do not follow my example.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ed Helms]

Hey, it's Ed Helms, host of Snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new Snafu.

[Holly Fry]

Every.

[Ed Helms]

Every single episode.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

32 lost nuclear weapons. You're like, wait, stop.

[Holly Fry]

What?

[Ed Helms]

Yeah, it's gonna be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of fabulous guests. Paul Scheer, Angela and Jenna. Nick Kroll, Jordan Klepper. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Two rich young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one of them will end up dead and. And the other tried for murder three times. It starts with a dream. A nature reserve and a spectacular new home. But little by little, they lose it. They actually lose it.

[Holly Fry]

They sort of went nuts.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Ed Helms]

Sacred Scandal is back, the hit true crime podcast that uncovers hidden truths and shattered faith. For 19 years, Alena Sada was a nun for the Legion of Christ. This season, she's telling her story.

[Elena Sada]

When I first joined the Legion of Christ, I felt chosen. I was 19 years old when Marcia Almasel, the leader of the Legionaries, looked me in the eye and told me I had a calling.

[Ed Helms]

Surviving meant hiding. Escaping took courage. Risking everything to tell her truth. Listen to Sacred Scandal, the many secrets of Martial Maciel on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

This is an iHeart podcast.