Behind the Scenes Minis: Dicey Sources

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Stuff You Missed in History Class (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode: Behind the Scenes Minis: Dicey Sources
Date: April 24, 2026
Hosts: Tracy V. Wilson & Holly Frey

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Episode Overview

In this behind-the-scenes minisode, Tracy and Holly reflect on the process of assembling the most recent "Unearthed" episode, discussing the challenges associated with sorting through sources, the pitfalls of generative AI in historical research, and their personal approaches to evaluating information. The conversation veers into the practical and ethical complications of AI usage, shifts to lighter stories of painting closets and art appreciation, and wraps up with travel plans and frustrations about canceled flights and airport chaos.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Evolving "Unearthed" Research Process

• Tracy shares workflow evolution:

  • Previously, she would bookmark potential topics and write them up as she went.
  • Now, she categorizes bookmarks into "likely" and "maybe" files before drafting, only writing once all links are reviewed.
  • Quote:
    • "Over the years I have shifted to... I make one file that's the stuff I'm pretty sure is going to make it into the episode. And I make another file that is maybe stuff to go into the episode..." (03:58)

• Recent mishaps:

  • Misattributed article about "Cologne"—misread as a scent rather than the city of Cologne.
  • Overestimated the length of the "smells" section due to misfiling articles.

• Timestamps:

  • [03:28] Workflow explanation
  • [05:13] Haste leads to miscategorization

2. Navigating the Use of AI in Research

• Increasing caution with AI-generated content:

  • Tracy is more vigilant about AI disclosures in sources.
  • She cut content where conclusions were reached by asking AI (e.g., generating lost board game rules).
  • Quote:
    • "This is the first time that I have cut stuff from the episode either because the AI disclosure... made me go, oh, I don't. That was not okay." (05:19)
    • "So we asked AI to write what the rules for this board game probably were. And I was like, that's okay. I could ask AI what the rules for the board game probably were. So I cut that." (05:54)

• AI's place in historical work:

  • Holly voices strong ethical and environmental reservations about the use of AI, highlighting copyright infringement and resource consumption.
  • Quote:
    • "I don't love AI because of how much theft is done, but even on a bigger issue... AI is really environmentally a disaster." (07:51)
  • Tracy notes the confusion between machine learning applications in research (like detecting rock art in caves) and large language models—everything is bundled under "AI."
  • Quote:
    • "There are, like, uses of machine learning that are cool and interesting, but then when you get into things that are like. And so we asked a chatbot what the rules for this game might have been. I was out." (07:00)
  • Both express frustration with the proliferation of AI-generated misinformation, especially evident in trivial uses like video game tips.
  • Memorable moment:
    • "People either asking chat, GPT, something that you also could have just put into a search engine..." (08:27)

• Timestamps:

  • [05:19] Tracy describes cutting AI-generated conclusions
  • [07:51] Holly on AI ethics and environment
  • [08:27] Frustrations with AI misinformation

3. Oddities and Challenges in the Research Process

• Gross-out factor:

  • Tracy talks about descriptions of a historic vial containing fecal matter and essential oils, and her effort to avoid unneeded grotesque adjectives.
  • Quote:
    • "I just tried to write that as straightforwardly but also non grossly as possible." (11:09)

• Missing a month of source updates:

  • Tracy admits she forgot to keep up with potential "Unearthed" sources for a month, leading to a backlog and even accidentally locking herself out of a website.
  • Quote:
    • "...I just forgot to look at all of my Unearthed sources for like a month... I locked myself out of one of the websites... because I opened too many pages from them at the same time, and they thought I was a bot." (15:30)

• Timestamps:

  • [11:09] On gross historical finds
  • [15:30] Source management struggle

4. Escapades and Art Appreciation

• Painting Closets:

  • Holly and Tracy swap stories about the unexpectedly rewarding aesthetics of painted closets.
  • Quote (Holly):
    • "She was very insistent that we paint the closets. And I was like, this is a waste of time. But you know what? Those closets are beautiful..." (16:47)

• Dali and Art Forgeries:

  • Holly shares stories about Salvador Dali’s skill as a copyist and the legendary lost Dali at Rikers Island, touching on museum displays and the impressive scale of his work.
  • Quote:
    • "He could paint you a Caravaggio and you wouldn't know the difference." (19:09)
    • "But what really blows you away when you're in that space is the scale of some of his paintings..." (19:18)

• Bucket List Art Travel:

  • Holly discusses upcoming travel to Italy to see and compare works by Caravaggio and Artemisia Gentileschi, noting the gendered differences in their depictions of the biblical story of Judith and Holofernes.
  • Quote:
    • "There's actually a slight familial connection between her father and Caravaggio. And she really... took that concept of tenebrism and, like, went to a new level with it in some ways." (22:00)

• Timestamps:

  • [16:46] Closet painting anecdotes
  • [18:49–21:16] Dali’s art; Rikers Island story
  • [21:29–23:05] Gentileschi/Caravaggio art discussion

5. Travel Tales & Logistics

• Trip planning challenges:

  • Tracy and Holly trade notes on their unplanned or loosely planned international trips to London and Italy.
  • Discussion of the Elgin Marbles at the British Museum, London's must-see attractions, and the joys of unstructured exploration.
  • Quote:
    • "Yeah, I don't know the rest of it yet. We did make one trip to Canada in that we... walked across the bridge into Canada and had lunch in Canada." (29:50)

• Travel frustrations:

  • Delays and uncertainty at airport security (TSA), canceled flights due to staffing/weather, and reliance on loyalty points for hotel stays.
  • Quote:
    • "I had a trip that was similarly during the earlier stages and it was none of my issues had to do with TSA or wait times. There was a crew scheduling issue and so my flight there got canceled." (31:45)

• Timestamps:

  • [26:53–30:13] Travel discussion/planning
  • [31:13–32:31] Airport woes

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I have tried to be more aware of whether something that I'm reading might be generative AI created... I cut stuff from the episode.”
  – Tracy V. Wilson, [05:19]

• “Even on a bigger issue... AI is really environmentally a disaster. And I know there are some companies in that space trying to figure out ways to mitigate it, but as they try to figure it out, a kajillion people asking ChatGPT for casserole recipes are doing so much damage...”
  – Holly Fry, [07:51]

• “People either asking chat, GPT, something that you also could have just put into a search engine and there would have been a high quality first result you could have read for yourself. There's that.”
  – Tracy V. Wilson, [08:27]

• “If Dali were not as outgoing and flamboyant as he was and he wanted to just keep his life on the DL, he could have been a completely rich art forger. Yeah, because when he was young... he did to learn his skill and to learn technique was to make copies of famous pieces of work.”
  – Holly Fry, [19:04]

• “Those women are. One of the women is, like, kneeling on his chest. Like, it is visceral. And so I cannot wait to see these two in person.”
  – Holly Fry, comparing Gentileschi and Caravaggio, [22:15]

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Important Timestamps

• Unearthed research process & mishaps: [03:28]–[05:13]
• AI in historical research & ethics: [05:19]–[10:28]
• Source management challenges: [15:30]
• Painting closets & Dali art stories: [16:46]–[21:29]
• Caravaggio vs. Gentileschi in person: [21:30]–[23:05]
• Travel tales, planning, and flight issues: [26:53]–[32:31]

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Tone and Atmosphere

Conversational, candid, and sometimes exasperated—Tracy and Holly are honest about the difficulties of modern research, often injecting humor and relatable frustration. Their enthusiasm for art and travel balances the heavier commentary on AI, copyright, and changing research practices.

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Useful For:
Anyone interested in public history, the challenges of sourcing reliable information in the age of AI, candid behind-the-scenes podcasting, or stories about art, odd historical artifacts, and travel with history buffs.

Transcript

[Tracy V. Wilson]

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[Holly Fry]

Welcome to STUFF you Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartradio.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

[Holly Fry]

And I'm Holly Fry.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

We talked about Unearthed all week long this week. Yeah, which is pretty much just how Unearthed works now. I felt like I struggled a little bit pulling this one together. Yeah, for a number of reasons. One was that what I used to do, I would go through my whole bookmark manager of things I had bookmarked to potentially talk about in Unearthed and I would go through them and as I found ones that were interesting, I would write them up into the episode. And over the years I have shifted to I go through all of those links in the bookmark manager and I make one file that's the stuff I'm pretty sure is going to make it into the episode. And I make another file that is maybe stuff to go into the episode, but I don't actually start typing anything up until I have made a whole pass of all of the bookmarks.

[Holly Fry]

Gotcha.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

As I was doing that this time, I was like, wow, I am making good time with this. I am going through them at a good clip. I am on task and doing well. And then when I went to step two to turn this thing into like a more workable episode, I realized I had just miscategorized some stuff in my haste. The section that we had about smells I thought was going to be longer than it was, I thought I had five or six things that were about smells. One of them I had noted as being about a first century cologne. No, it was about a dig of a first century site in the city of Cologne that had Nothing to do with aroma.

[Holly Fry]

I think that's a fair accident when you're quickly filing things, zipping through stuff.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. A couple of the other ones, like, just either turned out to be really confusing. One of them was something like all of them turned out to be simultaneously under the umbrellas of smells and updates. And one of them was something we actually really had talked about that exact thing before. It was not new information. So the smells section became short. I also. I have tried to be more aware of whether something that I'm reading might be generative AI created. And that's been the case for a while. And this is the first time that I have cut stuff from the episode either because the AI disclosure, like, there was an AI disclosure on the paper that made me go, oh, I don't. That was not okay. And then in one case, the entire conclusion, it was basically like, yeah, we. So we asked. We asked AI to write what the rules for this board game probably were. And I was like, that's okay. I could ask AI what the rules for the board game probably were. So I cut that.

[Holly Fry]

I'm trying not to climb on my AI soapbox and be really irritated.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I have. So there have been times on the show before the development of large language model chatbots.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Where we have talked about things that were connected to something under the umbrella of AI or machine learning.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And a lot of them have had to do with, like, there was one that was, like, with the permission of the traditional owners, drones being sent into caves where there might be rock art and an algorithm helping to detect rock art that the human eye might not be able to detect on its own. And that being, like, the preliminary step for the researchers to then look at that and work with the traditional owners to interpret the artwork. There are, like, uses of machine learning that are cool and interesting, but then when you get into things that are like. And so we asked a chatbot what the rules for this game might have been. I was out. I was like, nope, that's not what I'm here for.

[Holly Fry]

I mean, here's my thing. I don't love AI because of how much theft is done, but even on a bigger issue, I hope you don't want your kids to have clean water. Like, it's just AI is really environmentally a disaster.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

And I know there are some companies in that space trying to figure out ways to mitigate it, but as they try to figure it out, a kajillion people asking ChatGPT for casserole recipes are doing so much damage. Like, I don't know that we'll ever catch up. So I get very frustrated.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. One of the things that I'm frustrated by. Well, there's. There's the thing that is people either asking chat, GPT, something that you also could have just put into a search engine and there would have been a high quality first result you could have read for yourself. There's that.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

There is the number of absolutely laughably wrong things that AI summaries of search results have presented me with. Being a person that plays video games, I have seen so many people show up in video game subreddits being like, I'm really confused about what to do. I asked AI and it said this and like, what the AI has told them about the video game is flatly wrong.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And human beings wrote a whole walkthrough, so that's what you could have done. So, like, all of that stuff is frustrating to me deeply. And like, these are not good uses of technology. They're not good uses of the resource behind the technology. But then the fact that everything that relates to machine learning and algorithms and that, like, it's all been lumped together under the umbrella of AI, so it's really hard to like, talk about any of these things in a way that makes sense because, like, sometimes there are things that are not using. They like, they don't have the electricity and water usage concerns that generative AI large language models do. But because they are lumped under the umbrella of AI, like people hear about them and immediately are upset. All of it is the mess.

[Holly Fry]

It is.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

It is the fact that models have been trained on work that was protected by copyright. That's a big mess, a problem. The fact that so many things that we have to use in our daily lives now have an AI layer that we cannot turn off or get away from. I hate.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, same.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I like how we just definitely veered into the. That's okay. We didn't plan to have an AI conversation, but here we are.

[Holly Fry]

Here we are. I have lots of art thoughts when you're ready.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay. I have two other things I had noted out and then we will get to art. The first is the descriptions of the vial that contained fecal matter and essential oils. Yeah, gross, number one. But the articles that I read about them, I felt that a number of writers used adjectives that were unnecessary and just made reading about it grosser. And I was like, I didn't need that evocative additional word there. We could have just left that out. So I just tried to write that as straightforwardly but also non grossly as possible.

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

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Another reason that this became a difficult thing to work on is that for some reason, for the first time in years of working on this, I just forgot to look at all of my Unearthed sources for like a month. I think it was maybe when we came back from the holidays. I did the I wrote up the unearthed for the fourth quarter of 2025 and and then my brain just kind of checked out on Unearthed and usually it is something that I look at at least once a week and I gradually create this, you know, list of links over the course of the quarter. But I just, I I don't know. I forgot about it for more than a month. And I came to it, and I. I had hundreds of articles that had kind of backed up, and in the course of going through them, I locked myself out of one of the websites that. That publishes things because I opened too many pages from them at the same time, and they thought I was a bot. So I've tried not to repeat that experience since that happened.

[Holly Fry]

Heavens, heavens.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Do you want to talk about art?

[Holly Fry]

I do. First, we're going to talk about a thing that's not really art, but kind of art. Because you mentioned painting closets.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I used to be very like, why the heck would you ever paint a closet? And then I'm gonna invoke our friend Lily once again.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh, I love Lily.

[Holly Fry]

I adore her. We're going on a trip later this year. I'm very excited when she got her house, you know, we all were kind of like house planning purchases and buying around the same time, like, she and several of our other friends. So there was a lot of painting at each other's houses, and she was very insistent that we paint the closets. And I was like, this is a waste of time. But you know what? Those closets are beautiful. And, like, when you look in them, and one is, like, this beautiful raspberry color that has, like, gold trim on it, and it's the prettiest thing you've ever seen. And I'm like, oh, we should all be painting our closets anyway. You have the energy.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. So friends of ours bought a house, and they, you know, had some painting parties. Friends came over and helped paint. And what I remember was, like, I had painted. I had gone in slightly the wrong order. I had painted a bunch of walls that. That you would see if you opened the door to the closet. But then I realized I was like, oh, but this up over here behind me, like, that also needs to be painted. And I had to kind of contort myself into a closet way. Yeah. And also try not to get onto the paint that I had already painted. Yeah, that's true. Because I just had sort of neglected to think about this one part of the closet wall. But the process of painting the closet was also just sort of tedious and awkward enough that the idea of painting a room, I mean, it's totally possible that room had another purpose before it was used as storage. But the idea of painting, like, figurative elements and cinnabar colored bars on the interior of the closet, I was like, nope, that sounds like a little too Much for me.

[Holly Fry]

Okay, now we have to talk about Salvador Dali. Okay.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Who I'll probably never do an episode on because I can't. Like. It's too much. I love. I love.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

He's made a lot of unearthed appearances.

[Holly Fry]

He has, he has. We did a really fun episode about him for Criminalia. This is not what I intended to talk about, but did you know that there was a Dali, an original Dali, on Raker's Island?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

For years I heard about this somewhere. It might have been from you.

[Holly Fry]

It might have been me. That he had made this piece of art for the prison because he was supposed to do an appearance there for, like, their art program and he was sick that day, so he made them a piece of art. It ended up getting stolen. We don't. It's lost forever. We don't know where it is. I have a weird follow up that is. I will tell you later because I met someone who claims to know someone who was involved in the theft, even though they all got off. Anyway, here's what I want to talk about, though. The scale of that painting that was acquired. Because one of the things. If you go to St. Petersburg, Florida, and you don't go to the Dali museum, whether you are a fan of his work or not, you're doing yourself a disservice for two reasons. One, I have always contended that if Dali were not as outgoing and flamboyant as he was and he wanted to just keep his life on the DL, he could have been a completely rich art forger. Yeah, because when he was young, one of the things he did to learn his skill and to learn technique was to make copies of famous pieces of work. And they are good copies. Like, he could whip. Like, we think about his work and it being his very surrealist stuff. But this man could paint you a fake Cezanne and you wouldn't know the difference. He could paint you a Caravaggio and you wouldn't know the difference. But what really blows you away when you're in that space is the scale of some of his paintings. Like Hallucinogenic Toreador, which is my. Possibly my favorite painting on the face of the planet, will just rock you back. It's so big and there's so much visually to take in that now I'm like, I gotta go. Are they gonna display the. Cause they have to. Cause I gotta go. I gotta go. And I'm trying to think of where they would put it. Cause it's not an infinitely large museum. Like, it's a good Size. But I'm like, where do you even put something like that? They'll figure it out. It'll be beautiful. I can't wait. The second thing I wanted to talk about is that I'm really excited because I'm going back to Italy, not for a work trip, but with my best friend, because we're going through our art bucket lists.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Like, the things we want to see in person before we are no longer on this planet or, you know, able to travel. And one of my big. Most of this is her list, because I have been more recently than her. But my big thing that I'm doing on this trip is I want to compare the Caravaggio, Judas Langernes.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh.

[Holly Fry]

With the Gentileschi.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I mean, I have looked at the images before, but I want to see them in person.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

You know, part of it is that, like, Gentileschi is, like, 20 years later than him. There's actually a slight familial connection between her father and Caravaggio. And she really, you know, took that concept of tenebrism and, like, went to a new level with it in some ways. But also, you know, he was a violent man. We know. Very, very prone to outbursts of violence. But I kind of chuckle because his version of that. The women look a little almost timid about what they're doing. Whereas we know. Cause we did an episode on Artemisia Gentileschi that, like, there are actually two versions of that biblical story that she's painted. One is the Beheading, one is the Slaying. Those are the two titles, and they're in different places. I think I'm gonna see the Beheading hers, which we know has been considered over the years as a kind of a protest piece of art and a way to work through her feelings about having been sexually assaulted. Like, those women are. One of the women is, like, kneeling on his chest. Like, it is visceral. And so I cannot wait to see these two in person. That's just me wanting to talk about art.

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Fry]

Because you also have some cool travel coming up. Are you gonna go see the Elgin Marbles at the British Museum while you're in London?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I don't know. We have not planned anything other than we have plane tickets. We have a hotel for part of the stay, because we are going because Patrick is gonna be at an event so that, like, that part of the hotel stay is purchased and our air travel is purchased. And once I bought plane tickets, I was like, all right, I got some other things that I need to work on right now. We will come back to planning this trip later. And I haven't decided what I want to do exactly yet, so we'll see.

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I mean, the British Museum is a great place to get lost for the day. There's a lot of interesting stuff you can go, you know, pay your respects to the ghost of Mike the Cat. You can. I certainly have a list of interesting things that I like to do there. Are you gonna go see the dinosaurs?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I don't know what I'm gonna do. I haven't decided anything.

[Holly Fry]

Ugh.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Ugh.

[Holly Fry]

Cause you'll have some time to yourself, right. While he's working his event.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Well, but the time that I have to myself, we won't be in London.

[Holly Fry]

Ah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

So, yeah. Yeah. We really need to sit down and, like, look at things. Because I bought plane tickets and then was like, all right, we'll figure out all the other steps later. And then. We have not figured out other steps.

[Holly Fry]

Eh, that's fair. I bought the plane tickets for our trip to Italy, and then my best friend is handling most of the rest of it.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

And I'm like, bless you, you beautiful creature. Cause I. My brain cannot right now.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. My trips outside of the United States, with the exception of our honeymoon for the last decade have all been work trips. So there has not been a trip where we have left the country. And I have needed to plan anything because Michael has been planning it and you and I have been hosting it based on the work of Michael and Michael's team and our honeymoon. Patrick basically planned it, but we also had. We went to Iceland and we had kind of a bucket list of things that we wanted to do while we were there. But then other than that, we did not plan things other than where we were staying each night. And we just explored. Kind of winged it as we winged it. Yeah. Like we had our lodging arranged and we had some things we definitely wanted to do. And then we just like explored Iceland, which was a lot of fun.

[Holly Fry]

You can do that in London for sure. It's a ton of great places to eat.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. We do need to figure out where we're staying. That's the thing that we should handle soon.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

But yeah, I don't know the rest of it yet. We did make one trip to Canada in that we. We flew to Buffalo Niagara airport to go elsewhere in New York. And because we were right there, we walked across the bridge into Canada and had lunch in Canada. And then we came back with the rest of the way to where we're

[Holly Fry]

going in New York. I can't wait to find out where all you end up going in London. I love that city so much.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

There's so many great, great things to do there. Just great places to hang. Yeah. Great cocktail culture. Great, great fun. I've had great fun in that city.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

We'll figure it all out. Yeah. You know, as long as the world is still happening.

[Holly Fry]

Lets us go. Lets us go. I will say I just flew. We recently released an episode where we talked about the TSA and how easy breezy it could be. And it was recorded. We put a note in front of that behind the scenes that we'd recorded it before the shutdown had ground everything to a halt. And like Atlanta was having four and five hour waits and. And whatnot. But I recently traveled for. We went away for my husband's birthday and we were like kind of white knuckling it. Cause we didn't know if things would be righted by then.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

We had a one minute wait at security. It worked out. We got so lucky.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

So lucky. It was so easy for us that I almost felt bad. I had the early stage of it.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Where it was like a two hour wait. Although I had ticket that let me not do that. Like I had a skyprity so I, I was not too bad. But I saw the early stages and I can't imagine the long ones. So I'm my, my hat is off and my heart goes out to anybody that had to wait in those lines.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, I had a trip that was similarly during the earlier stages and it was none of my issues had to do with TSA or wait times. There was a crew scheduling issue and so my flight there got canceled.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And then there was weather and my flight home got canceled.

[Holly Fry]

It's just bad luck.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

It was just. Yeah, yeah. And I fortunately had enough loyalty points to get a free hotel for the night that I was stranded in Raleigh. Anyway, anyway.

[Holly Fry]

Wait, the airline didn't put you up?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

No, because it was weather. Oh, all right. They did compensate me for the canceled flight. That was a staffing issue that was there.

[Holly Fry]

Gotcha, gotcha. All right, all right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Anyway, anyway, whatever is happening on your weekend, I hope there are no canceled flights and no delayed flights and no long lines of any kind that things are going as well as possible. We are recording in the midst of just continual global chaos, but also the joy of space flight.

[Holly Fry]

Thank you Artemis 2 crew.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, so you know, I hope you're able to find some joy, have some good things to going on. We will be back on Monday with a brand new episode. You will also have a Saturday classic tomorrow. Stuff you missed in history class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite show.

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