Behind the Scenes Minis: Dorothy Everywhere

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Stuff You Missed in History Class

Episode: Behind the Scenes Minis: Dorothy Everywhere

Hosts: Tracy V. Wilson & Holly Frey

Date: July 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at the process of researching and producing the two-part series on pioneering chemist and crystallographer Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin. Tracy and Holly reflect on Hodgkin's scientific impact, her work as a peace activist, her unconventional personal life, and muse about the wide-reaching relevance of her story—including the unexpected ways she kept cropping up during Tracy’s recent trip to England.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Decision to Make Two Parts on Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin

• Tracy explains her motivation for splitting the main episode on Hodgkin into two, primarily to devote time to Hodgkin’s peace activism and international scientific cooperation, often cited but little explored in biographies.
• "I just loved her. I kept finding more reasons to love her the longer I worked on the episode." (Tracy, 02:48)

2. Encountering Dorothy Hodgkin Again and Again

• Tracy shares her experience traveling in England, repeatedly coming across references to Dorothy Hodgkin—including Dorothy Hodgkin Road and museum displays—leading to an almost serendipitous reinforcement of Hodgkin's legacy.
• "I was just flipping through my camera roll and seeing all the pictures of signs I had taken...a bunch of stuff was tagged as happening on Dorothy Hodgkin Road." (Tracy, 03:21)
• Describes an impromptu visit to the Alexander Fleming Laboratory Museum, noting its proximity to her hotel and reflection on the interconnectedness of scientific legacies. (04:07–05:18)

3. Childhood Experimentation and Parental Supervision

• The hosts discuss Hodgkin’s unsupervised childhood chemistry experiments and reflect humorously on their own childhoods, comparing levels of parental oversight.
• Quote from Hodgkin’s biography:
  "Modern parents might question the wisdom of letting children play with naked flames in the attic of an old house." (Tracy quoting Georgina Ferry, 07:01)
• Holly and Tracy reminisce about their own early science kits and sewing projects, observing generational shifts in supervision.
  • "Oh, I had my own lighter by the age of nine...I would singe the ends of my...ribbons on my shoes." (Holly, 08:08)

4. The Importance of Scientific Cooperation and the Impact of Funding Cuts

• Tracy and Holly lament the decline in science funding in the United States, its impact on international collaboration, and the ripple effect on research centers and universities.
  • "A lot of university universities have basically been scientific research centers...without that money, like what happens, a lot of the research is not being done." (Tracy, 08:38)
• Holly discusses public misunderstanding of how science works, emphasizing the slow, uncertain nature of research:
  • "It's not like they can go, look, we made a this this week...It just breaks my heart that we're not letting those programs continue." (Holly, 10:21)

5. Dorothy and Thomas’s Unconventional Marriage

• The hosts delve into the non-traditional nature of Hodgkin’s marriage, considering (with caveats) whether it might qualify as polyamorous, and discuss the practicalities of a relationship conducted mostly by correspondence.
  • "It does seem like she knew he was having these other relationships that neither of them felt like it was a betrayal in any way." (Tracy, 16:17)
• Both relate to or recall similar contemporary stories about commuter marriages and the challenges such arrangements pose for children and families.

6. Long-Distance Relationships and Family Dynamics

• Reflections on the impact of parental separation—through choice or career—on childhood independence and resilience, with Tracy and Holly sharing personal and family anecdotes.
  • "You can have both [independence and loss] simultaneously, so it’s tricky if they didn’t write it down anywhere. We may never know." (Holly, 20:34)

7. The Rest-for-a-Month Prescription

• The hosts find humor and skepticism in a period when Hodgkin was told by a doctor to "rest for a month" due to undiagnosed hand pain (later understood to be rheumatoid arthritis).
  • "I just can’t imagine any scenario where I just rest for a month." (Holly, 21:12)
• Discussion includes modern and personal perspectives on rest vs. activity, especially in the face of chronic illness.
  • "I have absolutely no concept whatsoever of whether rest would be helpful or harmful for somebody with rheumatoid arthritis..." (Tracy, 21:57)
• Holly: “We have some [rheumatoid arthritis] in my family and it’s not the same for everybody.” (22:32)

8. Personal Experiences With Illness and Fatigue

• Tracy draws on her own experience with mononucleosis and COVID to relate to enforced periods of inactivity, contrasting the monotony of mandated rest with the modern abundance of media distractions.
  • "That’s the closest thing I can imagine to like, rest for a month." (Tracy, 24:30)
• Both agree enforced inactivity is a poor fit for their personalities.

9. Parting Reflections and Appreciation for Dorothy Hodgkin

• Tracy reiterates her admiration for Dorothy Hodgkin and encourages listeners to balance busyness with rest and patience, closing with wishes for a restorative weekend.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On loving Dorothy Hodgkin:

  • "I just loved her. I kept finding more reasons to love her the longer I worked on the episode." (Tracy, 02:48)

• On unsupervised childhood science:

  • "Modern parents might question the wisdom of letting children play with naked flames in the attic of an old house." (Georgina Ferry via Tracy, 07:01)
  • "Oh, I had my own lighter by the age of nine..." (Holly, 08:08)

• On declining science funding:

  • "A lot of university universities have basically been scientific research centers that were being subsidized by the government. And without that money, like what happens, a lot of the research is not being done." (Tracy, 08:38)
  • "It's not like they can go, look, we made a this this week...That’s not how science works. No. Speed science. No." (Holly, 10:21)

• On marriage and independence

  • "It does seem like she knew he was having these other relationships that neither of them felt like it was a betrayal in any way." (Tracy, 16:17)
  • "You can have both simultaneously, so it’s tricky if they didn’t write it down anywhere. We may never know." (Holly, 20:34)

• On 'resting for a month':

  • "I just can’t imagine any scenario where I just rest for a month." (Holly, 21:12)
  • "I have absolutely no concept whatsoever of whether rest would be helpful or harmful for somebody with rheumatoid arthritis..." (Tracy, 21:57)

• Final words:

  • "Once again, I love Dorothy Crawford Hodgkin." (Tracy, 24:47)
  • “Whatever’s happening on your weekend, I hope you’re able to take some time for yourself to rest… and that you’re able to have patience with yourself and with other people.” (Tracy, 24:53)

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Important Timestamps

• 02:17 – Start of hosts’ conversation; reflections on Dorothy Hodgkin research
• 03:14 – Tracy’s trip to England and discovering Dorothy Hodgkin-related landmarks
• 04:36 – Encountering the Alexander Fleming Laboratory Museum
• 07:01 – Quote from Hodgkin’s biography about childhood experimentation
• 08:28 – Thoughts on international scientific funding and cooperation
• 10:21 – Disappointment at the logic of funding cuts for science
• 15:26 – Discussion about Dorothy and Thomas’s unconventional marriage
• 20:34 – Impact of physically absent parents on childhood development
• 21:12 – The humor (and impracticality) of "rest for a month"
• 24:47 – Parting thoughts and well-wishes from the hosts

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Tone and Takeaways

• Warm, conversational, and occasionally humorous. The episode blends personal anecdotes with historical reflection and advocacy for science and international cooperation.
• Appreciative of complexity: Both hosts are mindful of nuance in personal histories, social arrangements, and scientific endeavors.
• Persistent admiration for Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin, not just as a scientist, but as a person whose life and legacy continue to inspire.

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This episode is an engaging, thoughtful debrief on the life of Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin and the themes her story evokes—curiosity, resilience, and the importance of open borders and minds for science and humanity.

Transcript

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

[Holly Fry]

And I'm Holly Fry.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I'm this week we spent the whole week talking about Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin. Something that became clear to me very early in the research was going to be two parts, both because I wanted to spend a little more Time talking about her peace activism, her work, basically saying we should cooperate internationally as scientists. All of that which is mentioned in most writing about her, but maybe not a lot of time spent on it. And also, I just loved her.

[Holly Fry]

She's great.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I kept finding more reasons to love her the longer I worked on the episode and it. When I was in England, I sent myself a number of emails that just sat said as the subject line, some person's name or some event or whatever that I had just found reference to.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, I do the same when I travel.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Eventually, for some reason, I got tired of doing that and I started just taking pictures of signs. And then after I got back to my desk, I was just flipping through my camera roll and seeing all the pictures of signs I had taken and, you know, displays in museums and things like that. And that was when I realized, number two, number one, a bunch of stuff was tagged as happening on Dorothy Hodgkin Road. And then number two, that I had multiple things related to Dorothy Hodgkin that I had taken pictures of while I was doing that I had also taken pictures of. First, the exterior of the Alexander Fleming Laboratory Museum.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Which is at the hospital where he was working in London. Holly, have you been there?

[Holly Fry]

I have been by there. I have not been in there.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Fry]

But I know where you're talking about. Exactly.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

So this trip to England, we arrived in London. Patrick and I spent a few days in London. We met up with some friends in Birmingham where Patrick was at a convention. And then my friend and I came back to London together. And then Patrick and her husband came back separately together. And my friend and I decided to go have dinner at a barge in Little Venice, which was a wine and cheese barge.

[Holly Fry]

Perfect.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Which we were planning to have wine and cheese and then do a second round of food somewhere else. But we filled up on wine and cheese. So as we were walking out there, we saw the exterior of the building. There's a, like a, you know, a marker. It's. It's clear. This is the building where Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin. We came back by a different route that took us on the other side of the building and realized that there was a museum there that I didn't know existed. That was the Alexander Fleming Laboratory Museum. And this was maybe a two minute walk from the hotel where Patrick and I were staying. And so the next morning, it was of those days where you're just. All you're doing is flying back home.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

But the flight home doesn't leave until the afternoon. So you have a little bit of time in the morning. That's time to do something, but not time to do much. And I said, why don't we walk over to the Alexander Fleming Laboratory museum? Because it's two minutes away. It opens at 10. We need to be checked out of the room by 11. It was the perfect amount of time to go. It is a very small museum. It is his laboratory that has been reconstructed to look like it looked when he was working there. And then a room where a brief film is shown and then a display about, like, the development of penicillin and the history of penicillin. And it turned out to just be the really perfect way to close out the trip, have a brief thing to do before heading off to the airport. And then another thing that brought up the name of Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin in all of this. One of the things. There were several things that jumped out to me. One is that we. Something that we referred to when we were talking, which is her doing chemistry experiments in the house.

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

Unsupervised, as far as I know.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I think it was in the biography of her that I referenced, which, as I've started doing lately, that was the thing that I read last after the outline was largely put together, that kind of filled in some little gaps in what I knew about her biography. So that is by Georgina Ferry, and it is called Dorothy Hodgkin A Life. It was first published in 1998. A second edition came out in 2014. There might be another edition more recently than that. But one of the things she said was, quote, modern parents might question the wisdom of letting children play with naked flames in the attic of an old house. And I was like, yeah, I couldn't even play with naked flames at the dining room table, not in the attic.

[Holly Fry]

Well, I mean, you were a very highly supervised child.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I was, yeah. This is correct. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Like, my parents were a little more tired by the time they got to me. Cause we had. I had three older siblings.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. I was the oldest. And my mom was an anxious person.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, My mom was, too. But there was a lot of finger crossing and we're tired.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

So I played with open flames a

[Tracy V. Wilson]

lot as a kid. Yeah. I don't remember how old I was when I got a chemistry set, which was one of, you know, the commercially made chemistry sets for children. But I begged for it for. For Christmas. Christmas or birthday, one or the other. And. And got it. And most of the experiments that I wound up doing out of it were the experiments that I could do unsupervised. That did not involve open flame, did not involve anything that was marked as being hazardous.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, I had my own lighter by the age of nine.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

That's funny.

[Holly Fry]

Part of that, to be fair, it wasn't like I was just running around setting things on fire, but I already sewed a lot by that point. And I was taking ballet and I would singe the ends of my. The ribbons on my shoes.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

So I just, it was just part of my life at that point.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

They gotta not fray. I also really thought a lot while working on this episode about the nature of science as an international cooperative endeavor and how devastating it is that how much of how much science funding has been gutted in the United States. Because that affects not just the United States, but all of these other countries that were interconnected with United States research. Some of the other countries that have started increasing their science funding to try to make up for the drop in funding of the United States. Like, it is not. It doesn't compare the amount of money that was being spent in the US like just. It was enormous and interconnected with so many things interconnected with the higher education system. A lot of university universities have basically been scientific research centers that were being subsidized by the government. And without that money, like what happens, A lot of the research is not being done. And then it also connects to people being denied entry in the United to the United States or being. Not having their visas removed, renewed or their whole class of visa. Maybe that's going to go away. Like all of it. I found I just kept thinking about it the whole time. I was thinking about all of her trips.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

To make connections with scientists and work with people and encourage them in so many different places, including places that it was really frowned upon for her to be going. Yeah, like going to North Vietnam.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. Like you, I am very disheartened by the funding cuts that have been made to a lot of programs. And I know there are people for whom that seems logical. I don't think their logic is sound, but I understand how for somebody who is susceptible to this kind of rhetoric, if someone says they're not producing anything, they're wasting this money, that might sound like a good idea, but part of it is that people don't always understand what these labs and these research groups are doing. It's not like they can go, look, we made a this this week. Like some of these studies are years and years long and they don't even know what the outcome will be for quite a ways into it. And it just. It breaks my heart that we're not letting it. Those programs continue. And to have time, I know some have gotten like, you could continue, but you have to hurry everything up. And it's like, well, that's not how science works. No. Speed science. No. There are processes that are just gonna take time anyway. It's very disheartening.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. And the results might be, no, this doesn't work. And we still learned something if that's the case.

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

So, yeah. Yeah.

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

Something else that I said to you, sort of in a moment between actual recording, was about Dorothy and Thomas's relationship.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I. I feel like it's an overstatement to describe them as polyamorous, because that is not an idea that really, like that term had not been coined.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I don't think for all of their lives. Definitely not for most of their lives. And I'm also not fully, fully sure what. What her feelings were about his other relationships.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I know that conceptually she was like, we should be free to love who we want to love. But there's a difference between thinking that conceptually and what your feelings are about it.

[Sam J.]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I. I'm not fully confident I know what her feelings were about it, but it does seem like she knew he was having these other relationships that neither of them felt like it was a betrayal in any way. And then it Just seems to have worked for them that they were so rarely in the same place for long periods of time, but continually writing each other letters. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I mean, their whole marriage is unconventional. Even if they did not have whatever agreement or understanding in place that, like, there could be other. Other romantic partners in the mix. Just the fact that they barely lived in the same place ever.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Is.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Well. And that was, like, also the plan for minute one. It was like, we're gonna get married, we're gonna go on a honeymoon, but we're immediately gonna live in two different places. Yeah. When I was in college, I might have told this story before. When I was in college, I dated a guy for a chunk of my time in college. And his parents were both tenured professors at different universities in different states. And that was just because, like, that was how their careers had evolved. They had both wound up on a tenure track in different places. And so they saw each other on weekends, holidays, summers. And they did a lot of driving back and forth between western North Carolina and North Georgia. And my perception was that that worked for them. And it. You know, they had basically two households in two different places that their children went back and forth depending on what was going on. And it seemed to work out.

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[Holly Fry]

I used to work with a guy who lived. It was in my brief foray into the gaming industry when I was working at Cartoon Network.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And he.

[Holly Fry]

I realized after that I didn't want to stay in gaming because so many people, like, the game publishes. And then, you know, not that long later, either that whole team gets sunset or sometimes the company closes or whatever. Like, it's a very. For a lot of people, not everybody, but for a lot of people, it is a very kind of migrant career to have where you're constantly on the

[Tracy V. Wilson]

move, kind of volatile.

[Holly Fry]

And their thing was like, well, we need somebody to have a base of operations. Like, we need, you know, one stable place while recognizing that this other person is gonna live in other places a lot of the time. And for them, they were very devoted. Like, he was very devoted to his family, and they made it all work. But I would be miserable.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. I don't wanna live away from Brian. No. He's my bff.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

It's funny to me because, like, it's obvious to me that this kind of relationship is not a relationship that would work for you and Brian in any way. Yeah. But the fact that they got married so quickly after meeting one another.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a little parallel.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

That did kind of remind me of you. And Brian.

[Holly Fry]

Well, their marriage date is very close to ours as well, which made me giggle a little. I'm like, oh, another person that married right away after they met in December. Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I do feel like all of the distance and separation was hard for their kids.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, it had to have been at

[Tracy V. Wilson]

least some of the time. And I don't know how her other siblings felt about what their somewhat similar upbringing was like. Like, Dorothy talked about it making her a more independent person and that really becoming a part of her later life. But I don't really fully have a sense of how the younger sisters felt about how often their parents were separated. How often they were separated from their parents.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. I mean, this is another interesting parallel. Right. Like, and there's not necessarily one answer, because there are. Like, my dad was career military, so there were times he was gone for sometimes years at a time. And I credit that with one of the reasons I'm very independent. But it's also, like, because that was a time where my mom was not always coping with things very well, and so I just kind of had to be. So it's like, on the one hand, great. It made me super independent. On the other, not great for the family overall. You know what I mean? You can have both simultaneously, so it's tricky if they didn't write it down anywhere.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

We may never know. Yeah. Yeah. I did have to giggle at one point when she was told to rest for a month.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

What? No. Your hands. No.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Right, right. My impression was that she got no diagnosis at that doctor visit when she was told to rest for a month.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And then she got home and found that John Bernal had made a breakthrough while she was at the doctor. So I think she had no diagnosis and these orders to rest and was like, well, I'm immediately diving into this huge project that we've made a big breakthrough on.

[Holly Fry]

I mean, I just can't imagine any scenario where I just rest for a month.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I'd lose my mind. Like, sure. Take time off of work for a month. That sounds fun. Like, I would love a no obligation life for four weeks, but I would still be Putters McGee. I'd be in the sewing room making stuff. I'd be, you know, scooting along, doing, I don't know, trips. Things I just didn't like. It sounds like that rest for a month was. Especially because she was going for a complaint with pain in her hands.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Pain in her hands. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Would be a lot of do nothing for a month. And I think, again, this is before the wealth of entertainment options one has these days.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh, sure.

[Holly Fry]

Like at that point, what do you just sit quietly in a room? I don't.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

That's torture.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I have, I have absolutely no concept whatsoever of whether rest would be helpful or harmful for somebody with rheumatoid arthritis, which they did not know yet from my understanding was what she had. Right. Yeah. Because there, like there are conditions where doing exercise is helpful, but there are also conditions where exercise can cause a flare up or can exacerbate situations unless it's done really carefully. And I have, I did not look into which of those. Well, or what combination is the case with rheumatoid arthritis. But yeah, like just as being like, oh, no rest for a month.

[Holly Fry]

We have some in my family and it's not the same for everybody.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Fry]

So you know what I mean? Some people do better if they're keeping up light amount of work and others just have inflammation that makes movement very, very painful.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

And it, it gets exacerbated when they try to do more like exercise y things. So I think it just depends. I don't, I mean I could be wrong. And I also am going off of some of that being quite old information, you know, a couple of decades old. So I'm sure modern stuff. There's a lot more therapies, medications, et cetera. But I don't think it's the same for every person.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

No.

[Holly Fry]

So complicated in a variety of ways.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I think the closest thing I've ever experienced to that are. Number one, when I was in high school, I got mono.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I had about two weeks when I really could do almost nothing physically. And then the first time I got Covid, the first few days of having Covid, I did not feel as sick as I have felt a couple of different times in my life. When I had like the. I felt worse one time when I had the flu and one time when I had a really bad bacterial upper respiratory infection, I felt physically worse. But I was so tired that I couldn't even think about the decision of what could. What can I watch next.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Very often. So I just started watching things that were really long, like the entire. And also that I had seen before because I couldn't focus on things either. Let's watch the entire BBC Pride and Prejudice miniseries because I know how that story goes. And this goes on for a very long time. So I won't even have to get up and like change anything.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And that I continued to have a lot of like really serious fatigue after getting better from like the respiratory symptom part.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And then also developed tachycardia.

[Holly Fry]

It's a party. It's a party.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

It's a whole thing. Anyway, so. Yeah, that's the closest thing I can imagine to like rest for a month.

[Holly Fry]

Not really the same thing. Anyway, I gotta be busy, Bee. I can't even just watch a thing. I gotta be doing something.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Once again, I love Dorothy Crawford Hodgkin.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, she's terrific.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Very glad that my trip to England kept just putting her in front of my face. Whatever's happening on your weekend, I hope you're able to take some time for yourself to rest, to rejuvenate yourself a little bit and that you're able to have patience with yourself and with other people and that other people are patient with you. I know sometimes I try other people's patience.

[Holly Fry]

I think everybody does.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. I hope there's this as little of that as possible over your weekend. And if you're at work, I hope work goes very well and that everyone's nice. We will be back with a brand new episode on Monday and we'll have a Saturday classic tomorrow. Stuff youf Missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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