Behind the Scenes Minis: Greetings and Context

Summary

Stuff You Missed in History Class: Behind the Scenes Minis – Greetings and Context

Hosts: Holly Frey & Tracy V. Wilson
Release Date: May 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this “Behind the Scenes Minis” episode, Holly and Tracy reflect on two main podcast topics from the week: the surprisingly rich history and emotional undertones of greeting cards, and the haunting legacy of the Memphis Massacre. The hosts share personal anecdotes, production insights, and broader reflections on how history is remembered (or forgotten) and how contemporary issues echo the past. The conversation moves with warmth, humor, and thoughtful candor as they relate historical material to their own lives and current events.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Sentimental Space of Greeting Cards

Time Segment: [02:06–13:38]

• Personal Approaches & Challenges

  • Tracy expected Holly's “feelings about greeting cards” to center on finding or not finding the right sentiments, noting her own tendency to buy blank cards ([02:08]).
  • Holly uses greeting cards as a way to “make space” in her life and is considering repurposing cards into art projects ([02:45]).
  • Holly references a poignant point from a Greeting Card Association representative concerning the unique sentimental value of physical cards. “You can send electronic greetings as much as you want, but you can't in the same way hold, like, a text from a loved one that has passed in your hand the way you can a card,” she paraphrases ([02:56]).

• Historical Insights

  • Holly discusses Egyptian scarabs' role as ancient greeting objects accessible to all social classes—a contrast to the initially elite origins of greeting cards in Europe and China ([04:38]).
  • On translation, Holly clarifies the emotional tone lost in literal English renderings of historical poems, specifically concerning the Duke d’Orléans’ love poetry ([03:47–04:38]).

• Quirky Card Stories

  • Both hosts recall failed (and mildly comical) attempts at card-sending consistency. Tracy once prepared months of flower pop-up cards for her mom but never got around to sending them ([09:08]).
  • The pandemic prompted a card-sending spree, with extra emphasis on hygiene: Tracy sealed cards with a wet paper towel and labeled them as such ([09:15]).
  • Holly confesses her reluctance to discard unsent cards featuring her late cat, Mr. Burns. She considers turning them into a “ghost Mr. Burns” art project ([10:40]).

• Logistics & Guilt

  • Holly laments the barrier of inconvenient post office locations, joking about her own laziness ([11:00]).
  • The hosts ruminate on whether sending cards is adding “clutter” to others’ lives, and if they should check if recipients actually want paper greetings ([12:00]).
  • Tracy tells of the “lost child photo” incident—where separating holiday photos from their cards led to confusion about whose kid was featured ([12:21]).

Notable Quotes

• “You can send electronic greetings as much as you want, but you can't in the same way hold... a card that they've sent you and, like, keep it as a memento.” — Holly ([02:56])
• “Scarabs... were used this way across all of the social and economic strata... as a means of showing other people that you love them. Which I really, really like. Just cool.” — Holly ([05:30])
• “Once I bought a variety pack of those love pop. Pop up cards...I was gonna send my mom a flower card every month...and that's how much I didn't have my act together.” — Tracy ([09:08])

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2. Reflecting on the Memphis Massacre Episode

Time Segment: [15:29–23:22]

• Episode Structure & Challenges

  • Tracy initially wanted to focus the episode on Frances Thompson, a Black trans woman who was a massacre survivor and key witness. She realized much of the coverage was “incredibly disrespectful news articles,” making a sensitive, person-focused episode impossible ([16:06–16:59]).
  • The decision was made to focus on the massacre as a whole, while situating Thompson’s story within it, avoiding reliance on demeaning contemporary sources ([17:59]).

• Historical Memory & Erasure

  • Mary Church Terrell’s memoir, written in 1940, refers to the massacre as the “Irish riot”—demonstrating how, decades later, the event was remembered in specific, sometimes insular, ways ([18:38]).
  • The hosts note how quickly such atrocities fade from public memory, even as similar episodes recur. Holly wonders if forgetting is a defense mechanism or intentional erasure ([19:35–21:01]).
  • Tracy draws parallels with events like the Wilmington coup and Tulsa massacre, discussing how histories are buried and later resurrected, sometimes via pop culture (e.g., “Watchmen”) ([21:29]).

• Contemporary Resonances

  • The hosts discuss patterns in media framing and manufactured moral panics, then and now. Tracy draws a direct line from 19th-century coverage of Frances Thompson to present-day scapegoating of trans people ([27:18–28:45]).
  • Holly tries to be optimistic, noting that more people today are aware that such alarmist reporting is “baloney” ([28:45]).

Notable Quotes

• “Apart from her testimony...what we know about [Frances Thompson] is basically entirely in horrifying, incredibly disrespectful news articles.” — Tracy ([16:17])
• “[Mary Church Terrell] refers to it as ‘the Irish riot’...an illustration of how tightly it was still connected to the idea of the Irish community and not ...the white community more broadly.” – Tracy ([18:38])
• “I marvel, and don't marvel at how quickly this did fall out of public memory. And I wonder...how much of this was sort of purposeful, and how much...was people just being like, that was so horrific... let's put it aside.” — Holly ([19:35])
• “I grew up in North Carolina. Never heard about the Wilmington coup until I was an adult.” — Tracy ([21:29])
• “It just feels like the same thing happening today... reporting has, like, manufactured, made up an emergency...it's not real.” — Tracy ([28:04])
• “Same dance, just different faces.” — Holly ([29:04])

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3. Hope, Humor, and Finding Small Joys

Time Segment: [29:48–30:45]

• Tracy and Holly agree that joy—and seeking or creating it—is crucial, even in hard times ([29:48]).
• Holly riffs, “If you can't get to joy, at least get to chill. And if you can't get to chill, make yourself a dish of ice cream.” ([30:33])
• Tracy had recently watched a live stream of “an all trans table read of Ocean’s Eleven,” calling it “so much fun” ([30:08]).

Notable Quotes

• “If you can't get to joy, at least get to chill. And if you can't get to chill, make yourself a dish of ice cream.” — Holly ([30:39])
• “We will be back on Monday with a brand new episode and we'll have a Saturday classic tomorrow.” — Holly ([30:45])

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Memorable Moments & Miscellaneous Bits

• Holly’s discussion of “J.C. horsley, Mr. J. Clothes Horsley” and his aversion to nude drawing, humorously connecting it to the deficiencies in his art ([05:54]).
• The confessional and relatable admissions about card-sending flops, with good-natured resignation.
• Holly’s idea of turning old cards into Halloween art projects for a sense of closure and creativity ([10:41]).

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Key Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------------|----------------------------------------------------------| | 02:06–13:38 | Greeting cards: personal, historical, and quirky | | 15:29–23:22 | Memphis Massacre: research, legacy, erasure | | 27:18–29:48 | Parallels with contemporary media and moral panics | | 29:48–30:45 | Joy, hope, closing affirmations |

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Tone & Host Dynamic

• The tone is conversational, reflective, funny, and at moments poignantly serious. Both hosts are candid about their own shortcomings (especially regarding card-sending) and thoughtful about how history is told—and forgotten. Their mutual support and affection for each other, and their audience, is palpable throughout.

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Summary Wrap-Up

This “Behind the Scenes Minis” reflects on both the everyday difficulties of keeping up with greeting cards and the weighty challenges of telling history with respect and honesty. Connecting historic events to contemporary issues and personal experience, Holly and Tracy offer humor, insight, vulnerability, and encouragement, making the episode both informative and deeply relatable.

Transcript

[Tracy V. Wilson]

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[Holly Frey]

Welcome to Stuff youf Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartradio. Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Fry.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

[Holly Frey]

We talked about greeting cards this week.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

We did. When you said like the outline of the episode just said something to the effect of like I'm working through my feelings on greeting cards and I thought that meant something very different than what you actually talked about on the at the in the introduction to the episode. I thought your feelings about greeting cards was going to be about, I don't know, their content or anytime I go to buy one, I can't find one with a sentiment that I like. So I always wind up getting blank ones. I thought it was going to be something along those lines. And that what you were actually talking about. Yeah.

[Holly Frey]

Trying to make space in my life. Yeah. It kind of did help me make some rules about what stays and what goes. I also think I might make myself a rule that they have to get integrated into some kind of art. They can't just be sitting in a drawer somewhere. But that's weird, too. One of the things that really struck me, I didn't mention it, but it was in that report we talked about at the end about the current status of the greeting card industry. And one of the people from the Greeting Card association made this very good point of, like, you can send electronic greetings as much as you want, but you can't in the same way hold, like, a text from a loved one that has passed in your hand the way you can a card that they've sent you and, like, keep it as a memento. And, like, the sentimental value of them is, I think, also a part of what's driving new interest among younger purchasers, which is really interesting.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

That has been a factor in ones that I have kept that I might not have kept otherwise.

[Holly Frey]

100%. I mentioned in that Duke d' Orleans poem translation that I translated part of it, because here is why. There are a lot of translations I see of it that translate a section of it literally. And the way it conveys to the English ear, the English speaking ear is not really in line with what he is saying. And that is, instead of saying, I am lovesick, it says, I am sick of love. And that makes it sound more negative. And so I switched it, but I didn't let. I'm like, no, he's obviously very sad to not be with her.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Mm.

[Holly Frey]

It makes it sound like he's like, down with it. I don't have time for it.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Tired of it.

[Holly Frey]

So that's. If you go looking for a translation and you're like, that's not what this says. That's what's going on there. Yeah. Because you would say in French, it would be mal d', amour, sick of love. But it's like, sick from love, not tired of it. Here was another cool thing that I didn't get into and debated about getting into that I really, really liked about the Egyptian use of scarabs. Oh, yeah. As a greeting and as a way to show people you cared about them, which is that, unlike we talked about the development of greetings in China and in, you know, the US and England, really, where it starts out as Something that, like, rich people are doing and eventually becomes affordable for everybody else. Scarabs, it appears, have always been something that, like, were used this way across all of the social and economic strata of that culture. Like, it was something that was available to everyone as a means of showing other people that you love them. Which I really, really like. Just. Cool.

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[Holly Frey]

I read a listener mail about figure drawing.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Holly Frey]

And how ballet dancers are perfect for it, which is a really good idea. Thank you again, Kiran. So, J.C. horsley. John Calcott Horsley, who designed what is often called the first Christmas card. I didn't know until I was looking up information on him, was sometimes called Mr. J. Clothes Horsely.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Frey]

Not for the reason you might think. Cause I read that, and I was like, oh, was he a dandy? No. Apparently he was a little bit of a puritan. And he didn't. He refused to do life drawing with nudes. Okay. And as a consequence, like, throughout his career, that's one of the things that gets criticism is, like, he didn't really know how the human body works. He's not very good at proportions on human body. Cause he was, like, so worried about seeing somebody without clothes on that he would never do a new drawing class or a nude drawing study, which is so fascinating to me. Right. You think about all of the great artists in history who are known for their understanding of how the human body works. Michelangelo pops to mind, of course. And it's because they did so many nude studies. Like, even a thin layer of clothing is gonna change your perception of, like, how the muscles and tendons and everything are connecting to one another. And I'm like, horsely, oh, baby, you could have been even better. It just made me laugh. The only other thing I wanted to talk about was end of year letters.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh, sure.

[Holly Frey]

I can't even get my act together to send cards.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Frey]

I don't know how people do it. And yet the people in my life that do it. I love those letters every year. Like, they're often super funny. And I'm like, oh, that's such a great thing. And then I'm like, I don't. I'm sure it would only take a couple hours at most. Yeah. But, like, my brain is so resistant to the idea.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I feel like there's been a year of my adult life when I sent Christmas cards. Not letters, just cards to a lot of friends and relatives.

[Holly Frey]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I managed to do that once when we bought our house. I. Ahead of time of actually buying the house and moving used one of those, you know, services where you can design your own cards to put together a change of address card. And I already had those printed, and if I recall correctly, they also had an addressing service. And so I might have had them address it for me, largely based on the address list that I had developed for our wedding, which was a few years before. Like, I went and updated that list, and I sent those cards out so quickly after I moved that a friend of mine said it made her angry.

[Holly Frey]

She.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Because she could not imagine having been that on the ball in the middle of a move. And that's the only time that I've managed to be that on the ball. I have much more often done things like bought Christmas cards with the intent of sending them and not sending them.

[Holly Frey]

Oh, yeah. Still in a. Still in a thing.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Once I bought a variety pack of those love pop. Pop up cards.

[Holly Frey]

Oh, they're beautiful. I love them so much.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I think they were flowers. It was, like, 12 months of flowers. And my intention was that I was gonna send my mom a flower card every month. And that's how much I didn't have my act together. I didn't get it together to send a card every month to my mom. And then the pandemic started, and everything shut down, and I was like, I have this dozen cards. And so I sent greeting cards to, like, a lot of friends and family that, like, when everything shut down. And then. Because it was at that time of the pandemic when we really didn't know what was happening and we didn't know how it spread, and people were washing their groceries and whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I sealed it with a wet paper towel, and I wrote across the seal. Seal with a wet paper towel.

[Holly Frey]

So careful. So careful. And good. I mean, in a good way. Yeah. I am the only time I've ever been even moderately okay at it. Some years back, we had a sponsor that printed custom cards, and I had New Year's cards that had my wonderful and horrible cat, Mr. Burns, on them. And then this is a little sad, but Mr. Burns died kind of early that year, and I had not sent a lot of the cards, and they are still in a drawer somewhere because I can't. Don't have it in me to toss them.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Frey]

Again, maybe they'll become an art project. Maybe we can draw something Halloweeny on it and make it, like, ghost Mr. Burns. I don't know. We'll do something. Mr. Burns. Mr. Burns. This also did kind of inspire me to think about, like, is there a way I can make the card thing happen.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Uh huh.

[Holly Frey]

Because my. Here's my holdup. I think I would be okay with it, except this sounds so cockamamie when I say it. It's like, how lazy are you? Getting to the post office from our house is weird. We have a post office that's quite close, less than half a mile away, but it's not walkable and it's in like a shopping center that getting into and out of it is a real pain in the neck. So I was like, I want to do that. And then we have another one. The next closest one is actually where my PO Box is, but I don't go there super often. It's kind of like one of those things where I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm having dinner over there. I'll stop by there. I'm just terrible at going to the post office. That's the biggest problem.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

One day you've suddenly reminded me that I'm pretty sure I got an email about my PO Box renewal. And I'm like, that I handle that. I'm on top of it. I'm on top. I'm not actually on top of things.

[Holly Frey]

Yeah, yeah. And then I actually feel, especially having listened to this and it being inspired by me trying to clear out my house, there's also a part of me that's like, do I want to dump more things in other people's lives? What if they don't want cards? Yeah, treachery. Maybe I'll ask everybody. Do you want cards this year? I don't want to give you things you don't want to deal with.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

We have a number of friends that tend to send either letters or cards. And a lot of our friends who have kids have been sending like, little pictures of their kids. And I had done some tidying and I had discarded like, the envelopes, things that came in, the envelopes that the things had come in, the things that like, were not actually necessary. So I had the pictures and the cards, but the pictures had become separated from the cards. And there was a moment where Patrick came and looked at a picture of a child and was like, who is this?

[Holly Frey]

Whose baby is this?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

We had to like, match it up, figure out who was who.

[Holly Frey]

Yeah, I'm pretty lucky in that regard. I'm trying to think through, like, my good friends that would send me pictures of their kids and one couple in particular. Their kids look so much like either one or the other of them that I could easily go, oh, I know whose kid that is. Well.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And in our defense, this particular picture did not look as much like the other pictures of the child. Or the child.

[Holly Frey]

Yeah, yeah, that happens.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

For whatever reason, it was just an angle that didn't look the same. I guess

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

We talked about the Memphis massacre.

[Holly Frey]

Oof. Yeah, we did.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

We have several similar massacres in the archive. We're going to have a related Saturday classic coming up, and several of them are episodes I wrote. And I got to this point that I felt like we were telling essentially the same story over and over, but that it wasn't adding anything new or additional to what we were talking about. It just sort of felt like we were revisiting the same trauma repeatedly.

[Holly Frey]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

With this one, my intent had been to have an episode that was about Frances Thompson, because I thought there was more information about her than there was.

[Holly Frey]

Gotcha.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I sort of understood that to do the episode, I would need to talk about the massacre as part of the context. And so I was thinking between what we know about her and the massacre, there's probably a whole episode there. But then I realized that apart from her testimony that she gave before the House Select Committee, what we know about her is basically entirely in horrifying, incredibly disrespectful news articles. If the episode had been about her, since our show is on Netflix now and we need some visual things to go on Netflix, we probably would have needed to use those illustrations of her, which were not things like she was not in control of her own right depiction there. It was something that, like, she was forced to do. And then these are. These are pictures that were being printed to make her look bad. And I just felt like there was not a way to really focus the episode on her without having to draw from this incredibly disrespectful and offensive source material. And I, like we have said before, it is incredibly important to acknowledge the reality that for all of history, there have been people who have lived in whatever way outside of the. Their. Their society's standards for things like sex and gender. But it's also really important to do that in a way that doesn't feel like we are disrespecting the people of the past or. Or trans people living today.

[Holly Frey]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And so, like, as I read just a series of awful articles, I was like, I think the focus here needs to be about the massacre. Because this massacre does have some aspects that don't feel like we're just repeating the same trauma. When we get into the part about the influence on things like the 14th amendment and then also spend some time talking about her and what happened to her, that's how we sort of arrived at the episode that we wound up doing. A sort of bit of information that I could not find a good place in. The structure of the episode to include is Mary Church Terrell, who was a journalist and a suffrage advocate, a civil rights activist also, she wrote a memoir that was published in 1940, and she talks about this massacre in that memoir because her father was there and her father was shot and left for dead. And in her description of this, she refers to it as the Irish riot. And that's something that she wrote in 1940, so decades later, after it had happened, which to me was just an illustration of how tightly it was still connected to the idea of the Irish community and not former Confederates or the white community more broadly, even though at that point it was not in public memory much anymore, beyond people who had some kind of direct connection to it like she did through her father.

[Holly Frey]

I marvel, and don't marvel at how quickly this did fall out of public memory. And I wonder, because we're watching the same thing happen to a lot of things today.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Right.

[Holly Frey]

The difference being that today we're, like, inundated with a constant wild flow of information and news all the time. So it's kind of easy for your brain to, like, cycle to the next thing. Whereas with this, you know, presumably there were not as many huge violent outbreaks going on on the daily being reported in papers. So I find myself being like, how much of this was sort of a purposeful. And how much of it. I mean, there's no one answer either. Right. Like, how much of it is. People just being like that was so horrific. And this incredibly horrifying reminder of the capacity for human cruelty and violence is something that, like, we almost can't deal with and process emotionally or intellectually. So let's put it aside versus people just, like, not caring. Like, those are all elements of the ways that people. I don't even know if they forget, but they just kind of don't engage with that information anymore. And it's terrifying. Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

There have been some episodes on other especially very traumatic incidents, incidents of racist violence, where we have gotten more into, like, the how of how it fell out of public memory.

[Holly Frey]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And sometimes there's been an aspect of the incident becoming a taboo among the people that it happened to, and people not wanting to talk about it among their family members, not wanting to talk about it among their descendants.

[Holly Frey]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Not really, like, wanting to revisit that trauma. But then there have also been times that the focus was a lot more on, like, intentionally burying the history of what happened, often on the part of whoever perpetrated the violence. But that's been part of a lot of these episodes that we have done before. Like, I grew up in North Carolina. Never heard about the Wilmington coup until I was an adult. If I remember correctly, our episode about the Tulsa Massacre, similarly, like the Tulsa Massacre kind of was not in the public consciousness until it was resurrected by historians and activists and people trying to make sure that it continued to be part of the history. Re Became part of the history that was talked about. And then with the Tulsa Massacre, specifically, like the TV show Watchmen, it was part of that TV show, and that became how a lot of people heard about it. And like, I remember when that show was on, seeing a lot of people on social media discovering for the first time that that had happened and not really realizing that it wasn't just one thing. It was part of this pattern that has happened over and over and over. Again, all around the country at points over, you know, decades slash centuries. I really appreciated the fact that there was, you know, a conscious effort leading up to the 150th anniversary of the Memphis massacre to say, okay, we are going to have all of these events. We're going to hold a symposium. We're going to, like, they made a website and a blog and a lot of stuff to just try to, like, make people aware that this had happened who might not have been aware of it before.

[Holly Frey]

Yeah,

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[Holly Frey]

The other thing I was. Couldn't help but think about, which might be a weird line to draw between two things. Okay, is, you know, we talked about Frances Thompson and her horrific treatment, which was in the mid to late 1870s, right. By the time she passed. And then just, you know, 45 years later, you get Gladys being famous as a person who is bucking gender and sexuality norms. And I'm like, on the one hand, if you're a single person living through that, that feels Like a very long time, but in the arc of history, that's a pretty short time. Granted, there are a lot of other variables.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Right.

[Holly Frey]

Not the same place, et cetera. But it is kind of an interesting thing to think about. When we talked about Gladys Story, Gladys Bentley, I wasn't really thinking about it in terms of, like, just a few decades earlier.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Frey]

These things were still playing out. And the really, like, direct ramifications of, you know, the ways that particularly people of color that were seen as outside of any of those norms were treated was very different and could be much harsher. Granted, we continue to see, you know, violence today. I don't wanna act like everything's fine, but it is an interesting way that we look at the ebbs and flows of how things shift forward. We talked in this episode about, like, the wave that happens after that when progress is made, and then there's like a knee jerk towards a less. Less fruitful and less tolerant, you know, environment. I mean, my hope always, which might be naive, is that, like, each progressive step forward gets us a little farther. But who knows? Who knows? Trying to be hopeful today in a world where it's very hard. Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Which makes me feel bad for. The next thing that I wanted to. I was gonna say, which is that one of the things that struck me about the news reporting around Frances Thompson was how similar some of it felt to news reporting now.

[Holly Frey]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Where newspapers were basically manufacturing the idea that there was this epidemic sort of of cross dressing.

[Holly Frey]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Black people who were sexually deviant and like, dangerous deviants. Yeah. Manufacturing an emergency over it. Which just feels like the same thing happening today.

[Holly Frey]

Oh, yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Like maybe with fewer slurs and fewer, like, intentionally incorrect pronouns. Not saying that people are never called the wrong pronouns in reporting. Obviously that still happens.

[Holly Frey]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

But, like, that was one of the things that. That was in a lot of these articles was like, intentionally wrong pronouns and putting the pronouns in a way that. To make it sound deviant. But, like, we're still living through a time in which reporting is. Has, like, manufactured. Made up an emergency. Oh, a hundred percent about trans people. That just, like, it's not real.

[Holly Frey]

No. I mean, I would say that the difference, if you want to keep it hopeful, is that more people recognize now that that is baloney.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Frey]

And will say so than probably would have during Francis Thompson's time.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. For sure. That's true.

[Holly Frey]

Same dance, just different faces.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

It's like, this is. I feel like I'm reading an article about the need for bathroom laws. Right.

[Holly Frey]

But it's no Story time. Don't let drag queens read books to kids. Except you should. You will never have a more fun day in your life. Those kids will have a great time. Yeah, I feel, I feel so strongly about this. I listen, I want a drag queen to shride read to me all the time. You can read me anything you want. It's great. It'll be fun. We'll all have a great time. I will tip you. Love it. Love it. If you've never been to a drag show, get your to a drag show. You'll never have more fun in your life. Joy in abundance. Yeah, we all need it.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I agree. I agree. We do need more joy. We need more joy. Just across the whole spectrum of everything. Yeah, I'm somehow reminded of like having recently watched a live stream of an all trans table read of Ocean's Eleven.

[Holly Frey]

So much fun. Love it. Love it.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Anyway, whatever's coming up on your weekend, I hope there's joy there. And if you're having trouble finding that joy, I hope you have an opportunity to make a little of it for yourself. And if joy is not possible, then maybe peace or some kind of little treat. And I hope everyone is kind to each other. What?

[Holly Frey]

In my head, I made a flowchart that was like, joy, peace, ice cream.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I mean, that could work.

[Holly Frey]

If you can't get to joy, at least get to chill. And if you can't get to chill, make yourself a dish of ice cream.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Then get some ice cream. We will be back on Monday with a brand new episode and we'll have a Saturday classic tomorrow. Stuff youf Missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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