Behind the Scenes Minis: Iceland and Obstinance

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Behind the Scenes Minis: Iceland and Obstinance"

Stuff You Missed in History Class Host: Holly Fry and Tracy B. Wilson Release Date: January 31, 2025

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1. Episode Introduction

The episode titled "Behind the Scenes Minis: Iceland and Obstinance" delves into the historical intricacies of Jon Arason and the Protestant Reformation's impact on Iceland. Hosts Holly Fry and Tracy B. Wilson provide a comprehensive exploration of their research process, personal experiences, and the broader historical context.

2. Exploring Jon Arason and the Protestant Reformation in Iceland

Holly and Tracy discuss their recent episode focused on Jon Arason, a pivotal figure in Icelandic history, and his role during the Protestant Reformation.

• Tracy: "One of our episodes this week was about Jon Arasyn and the Protestant Reformation coming to Iceland. Yeah, we tried very hard to say all of the Icelandic things correctly." ([02:29])

3. Challenges with the Icelandic Language

The hosts share their struggles with pronouncing Icelandic names and terms, emphasizing the language's complexity.

• Tracy: "It's a challenging language. There are some phonemes in Icelandic that just aren't in English, and that makes it very hard to try to learn to say things correctly as an adult." ([02:48])

• Holly: "Icelandic does have a reputation for being very hard to learn." ([03:12])

4. Personal Reflections on Icelandic Culture

Holly humorously expresses her inability to consider permanent relocation to Iceland due to language barriers and the demanding climate.

• Holly: "And that is why I can never move permanently to Iceland. Because you have to learn the language to get citizenship." ([03:31])

5. Journey Through Iceland: Key Locations Visited

The hosts recount their trip to Iceland, highlighting significant landmarks and experiences.

• Thingvellir: The historical assembly fields where the Althing met.

  • Tracy: "We went there. We walked all through there." ([04:58])

• Skalholt: A key site they visited, initially planning to go snowmobiling but had to change plans due to melting glaciers.

  • Tracy: "We were supposed to go snowmobiling. But we didn't get to go snowmobiling because the glacier was too melty." ([05:43])

• Horse Farms: Feeding Icelandic horses with designated "horse candy."

  • Tracy: "We got to feed some Icelandic horses with what their farm described as horse candy." ([06:14])

• Murder Barn: An intriguing historical site related to a past murder.

  • Holly: "The murder barn was just a little barn where a murder has occurred at one point." ([07:07])

6. Anecdotes and Behind-the-Scenes Insights

Holly and Tracy share lighter moments and behind-the-scenes stories from their trip, including staging photos inspired by the movie "Midsummer."

• Holly: "We decided that we would stage out photographs that look like the end of Midsummer." ([07:31])

7. Jon Arason's Poetry and Historical Significance

Tracy touches upon Jon Arason's poetry, highlighting its complexity and the challenges in translating it into English.

• Tracy: "Jon Arason's poetry... cannot be explained except to those who understand it already." ([16:06])

8. Discussion on the Isles of Scilly and the 335 Years War

The conversation shifts to another historical topic—the long-standing conflict known as the 335 Years War involving the Isles of Scilly.

• Holly: "We talked about the Isles of Scilly this week and the 335 Years War." ([23:36])

• Tracy: "Sometimes we need some humor in the episodes. And so I'll wind up googling something like Most Ridiculous Wars. And this is one that has wound up on several." ([24:11])

9. Reflections on Tourism and Disaster Management

The hosts reflect on the impact of tourism on small communities and the vulnerabilities of islands to disasters, drawing parallels with their experiences in Iceland and other tourist destinations.

• Tracy: "Western North Carolina... after Hurricane Helene, there was a lot of discourse from people saying we should move away from tourism." ([29:55])

10. Closing Thoughts and Future Plans

Holly and Tracy conclude the episode with personal reflections, expressing their love for Iceland and hinting at future travels and episode topics.

• Holly: "I love Iceland. Love it." ([19:39])

• Tracy: "Listen, sometimes anxiety drives the bus and you think about all this bad stuff that could happen. And I hope that doesn't happen for you this weekend." ([31:08])

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Notable Quotes

• Tracy on Icelandic Language Difficulty: "There are some phonemes in Icelandic that just aren't in English, and that makes it very hard to try to learn to say things correctly as an adult." ([02:48])

• Holly on Moving to Iceland: "I can never move permanently to Iceland. Because you have to learn the language to get citizenship." ([03:31])

• Tracy on Jon Arason's Poetry: "Jon Arason's poetry... cannot be explained except to those who understand it already." ([16:06])

• Holly on the Isles of Scilly: "The Isles of Scilly are officially on my tourism bucket list now." ([23:36])

• Tracy on Tourism and Disasters: "Tourist destinations... how vulnerable islands are to disaster and then what happens afterward." ([29:55])

Conclusion

"Behind the Scenes Minis: Iceland and Obstinance" offers listeners an engaging blend of historical analysis and personal narrative. Holly Fry and Tracy B. Wilson effectively intertwine their scholarly insights with relatable travel anecdotes, providing a rich and immersive experience for both history enthusiasts and casual listeners alike.

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[Holly Fry]

Welcome to Stuff youf Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Happy Friday. I am Tracy B. Wilson.

[Holly Fry]

And I'm Holly Fry.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

One of our episodes this week was about Jon Arasyn and the Protestant Reformation coming to Iceland. Yeah, we tried very hard to say all of the Icelandic things correctly.

[Holly Fry]

I'm so bad at Icelandic.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah. It's a challenging language. There are some phonemes in Icelandic that just aren't in English, and that makes it very hard to try to learn to say things correctly as an adult. That's the case with other languages, too. That's not just. It's not unique to Icelandic.

[Holly Fry]

Icelandic does have a reputation for being very hard to learn.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah. And there's just some. Some of the words. Because of the way the language works, some of the words are very long. And so it will be a long word that has multiple parts in it that aren't really sounds that really exist in English.

[Holly Fry]

And that is why I can never move permanently to Iceland. Because you have to learn the language to get citizenship.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yep.

[Holly Fry]

And I think I would be on the struggle bus with that.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah. I think I would have a challenge of the long, dark winters, because just living in Massachusetts, where the nights in winter are longer and it gets dark earlier than anywhere else that I've ever lived, it's rough. And I am totally aware that this is not the earliest sunset in the world or the longest night in the world, but just even the difference between Atlanta, Georgia and eastern Massachusetts.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

It's difficult. So normally when I'm writing episodes, the way I generally approach people's names is when we are talking about children, I'm using their first names.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Because it just feels a little weird to me to just refer to a child with only their last name.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

And then usually that person becomes an adult over the course of the episode. And at that point in the episode writing, I am usually referring to them by their last name in a lot of cases, unless it's gonna be confusing. I did not do this in this episode because of how names work in Iceland.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Because, like, Jon Arsen's son was Bjorn Jonsson. And, you know, Bjorn Jonsson's son would have been something Bjornsson, probably. And it just felt very weird to me to spend the whole time calling a man named Jon by the name of his father as his father's son. So I felt a little weird. So if you noticed that, that seemed a little different from a lot of our episodes. That's why also, I've been to two of the places we talked about in this episode. One of them we went to on our trip. We stopped at Skullholt. Yeah, I think that was on.

[Holly Fry]

We stopped at all thing also, right?

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Oh, sure. Yes. Well, the all thing. Yes, for sure. We were at Thingvellir, the assembly fields where the. Where the althing historically met. I forgot about that one. Yes, we went there. We walked all through there. But in terms of the other places we stopped at Skalholt on our trip, and I think that was the day that we were supposed to go snowmobiling. But we didn't get to go snowmobiling because the glacier was too melty.

[Holly Fry]

It was too warm for snowmobiles.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah. So we had other stops that we made on that day. Horsies. We got to feed some Icelandic horses with what their. You know, the farm where they lived on described as horse candy, which is very charming. You could buy some horse candy and feed the horses. There was a very stern sign saying that the horses were allowed to eat their horse candy and nothing else. Yeah. So if you go to whatever horse farm this was, don't try to feed the horses your random apple or whatever. No, only horse candy. So we stopped at this place. We saw the. The. Like the. The church that's there now. There was a little museum in the church with kind of an honor system pay to be able to go in there.

[Holly Fry]

And then there was the murder barn.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Oh, yeah, the murder. Yeah. You talk about that part.

[Holly Fry]

I'm trying to remember all the details because I will admit that my own activities in the murder barn were probably different than most other people.

[Arturo Castro]

Well.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

And I spent more time in the little museum part, so I didn't see as much of this. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

The murder barn was just a little barn where a murder has occurred at one point. But my dear friend Bernadette, who was with us on this trip, and I decided, this is terrible. And I hope nobody who is Icelandic or lives there thinks this is terribly disrespectful. But we decided that we would stage out photographs that look like the end of Midsummer.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Just if you've seen that movie, you.

[Holly Fry]

Know what we're talking about. And if you haven't, then you don't.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

And it solved this completely.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. We were giggling because we. That's a movie we have watched together and.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Have fond memories of. It's not a fun movie, but it's very good.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

But, yes, there's a thing that happens in a similar structure at the end of that movie that is very upsetting. And we thought it would be fun to reenact it. Yeah.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

That was an idyllic little place, though.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah. I mean, a lot. I felt that way a lot about a lot of the places we stopped.

[Holly Fry]

I mean, I'm so obsessed with Iceland, it's not even funny.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

I'm also not sure if that was a place that was a Planned stop for the day. Because I don't really remember our schedule that day changed so much because of the canceling of the snowmobiling.

[Holly Fry]

I think that was a last minute addition because our schedule had opened up.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah. One of the things that our guide God was really great about was planning in advance where our bathroom stops were gonna be.

[Holly Fry]

Bless that man.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Which, I mean, it's necessary if you're in Iceland with a group of people because you're probably gonna be traveling distances without necessarily a place in between them to stop. And so I don't remember if that had been like an on the schedule from the beginning planned bathroom stop at the end of the day. Um, but I do remember. I think I remember there also being a bathroom there.

[Holly Fry]

There was. It was a little pay one in the.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

An honor system app for paying to go to the bathroom.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, like shout out to God for that, by the way. Because not only would he plan frequent stops, but whenever we got on the bus, he would say, the next bathroom is 90 minutes away. And also, seatbelts, please. But like, that way you knew. Okay, I can drink my soda. Cause we're gonna have a stop at this point in time. Or like, maybe I should lay off on the coffee. Cause it's gonna. This one's a longer wait. Like, you don't think about how important and helpful that kind of planning is until you have someone doing it and you're like, this trip felt so much more relaxed and easy because I never had to worry.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

There has been more bathroom angst at all of our other trips to Europe when we typically did not have an advanced time planned for when we would be making that stop. So my first trip to Iceland on my honeymoon, we stayed overnight at least one night, possibly two nights in Leugrevaden, which is a place that we only drove through when we were there in November. And where it's. It's not a big place, but where we were was right by that pool that we talked about in the episode. And so just we had just walking around, kind of discovered this little pool, took pictures of it, took pictures of those stones, took a picture of the explanatory sign, the English language portion of it. And so when I was writing this episode, I was like, I definitely have been to that pool and I definitely remember reading something on the sign about something historically significant. And so I had to go through my honeymoon pictures and find my picture of the sign to refer back to it foreign.

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[Holly Fry]

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[Tracy B. Wilson]

Last random thing that I had on my list of things to talk about is Jon Arason's poetry. I've read none of it. I don't know if there are translations of it into English outside of the context of like isolated things in academic papers, but you know it. This poetry doesn't still exist. It still exists in Icelandic. I read descriptions of people like describing how it worked as poetry and the kind of the forms that it uses. And it was far enough from my experience reading English poetry that I was like, I don't even really understand this. But there was a paper in which somebody named W.P. kerr, who was the vice president of the Viking Society for Northern Research. This paper came out in 1914. He described Jon Arason's poetry as something that cannot be explained except to those who understand it already.

[Holly Fry]

It's kind of like if you don't get it, don't bother.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah, don't even try. So anyway, I am very glad. I'm very glad that we had God as our guide on that trip. He was great. He was amazing.

[Holly Fry]

What a delay.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Knew so much stuff and had he not told me or told us, told the whole group, had he not told us that story, I would not have had this episode to talk about or I would not have had this idea to talk about on an episode. So thank you for all of your many things that you did for our group on our trip and also telling me that he was an absolute delight.

[Holly Fry]

Love God, I love that he will ping me on WhatsApp with Star wars things when he sees them. Now he's the best.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah. He also sent some pictures of New Year's New Year celebration.

[Holly Fry]

It was beautiful.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

It's great. Great.

[Holly Fry]

I gotta figure out when I'm going back. Cause I am going back. I just don't know when yet.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

I really love Iceland. I love visiting Iceland. I have now been at 2 similar, but different types of times of year because the first time that I went was for our honeymoon. We were there late April, early May, which was a little earlier than like the high season of tourist stuff. And we were there this time in November, which is a little later than the high season of the tourist stuff.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

A little less advantageous for weather in both cases. I can't remember if I said this already. My absolute number one favorite purchase of what I bought for myself before our trip to Iceland last November was rain pants. Best choice of things to pack and have with me. I felt 1 million percent more comfortable with my rain pants on than I had felt, you know, however many years prior in the wind and the rain, wearing in most cases, blue jeans with a pair of tights underneath. Because I only had one pair of flannel lined blue jeans. And I wound up making myself some long johns out of tights that I wasn't going to wear again as tights on the trip.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. So anyway, my previous trip was at the end of May. It was beautiful.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Well, and that's after our honeymoon. Patrick and I had this conversation of, okay, we want to go back. Do we want to go back during northern light season, try to see the northern lights, or do we want to go back like in the height of summer?

[Holly Fry]

Well, and you never know because I was there at the end of May and it was a freak year when you could still see the northern lights. So like. And we couldn't see them this trip when it was supposed to be ideal time.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Right, right. The when we were there late April, early May, we stayed at a hotel that has a wake up service. You could put your name on a list. And they had the name list out when we checked in. And I was like, oh, I know there's not much of a chance of this really happening, but I'm gonna put our name on it. And the person at the front desk said, said, actually they were out last night quite bright and we didn't have the list out because from our perspective, the season for the northern lights is over. Like it was at the time of the year where it's not fully dark at any point at night. Right. But she was like, yeah, the northern lights were out last night and we didn't have the list out and people were really upset and where Patrick and I had been the night before. It was really overcast so we would not have been able to see them. But anyway, anyway, Iceland. Love it.

[Holly Fry]

Iceland.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

You're.

[Holly Fry]

You're the best.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Occasional history episodes with multiple beheadings. Love those too. For a different reason.

[Maria Tremarki]

Welcome to the Criminalia Podcast. I'm Maria Tremarke.

[Holly Fry]

And I'm Holly Fry. Together we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime.

[Maria Tremarki]

Each season we explore a new theme, everything from poisoners and pirates to art thieves and snake oil products and those who made and sold them.

[Holly Fry]

We uncover the stories and secrets of some of history's most compelling criminal figures, including a man who built a submarine as a getaway vehicle. Yep, that's a fact.

[Maria Tremarki]

We also look at what kinds of societal forces were at play at the time of the crime, from legal injustices to the ethics of body snatching, to see what, if anything, might look different through today's perspective.

[Holly Fry]

And be sure to tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in custom made cocktails and mocktails inspired by the stories. There's one for every story we tell.

[Maria Tremarki]

Listen to criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your.

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[Holly Fry]

We talked about the Isles of Scilly this week.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Uh huh.

[Holly Fry]

And the 335 Years War.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

The Isles of Scilly are officially on my tourism bucket list now.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Right.

[Holly Fry]

Cause they look beautiful.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yes.

[Holly Fry]

And I knew precious little about them before we did this. I had seen this particular story in blurb form.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Right. Me too.

[Holly Fry]

On a number of occasions. But actually looking at it, I'm like, oh, I see.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, this is a lot of people making decisions that are bad and that nobody wants. Look at that. Look how that goes.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Sometimes when I'm trying to find something kind of ridiculous to talk about on the show. I mean, sometimes we need some humor in the episodes. And so I'll wind up googling something like Most Ridiculous Wars. And this is one that has wound up, you know, on several.

[Holly Fry]

Oh yeah.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

So yeah, it's a basic setup that had crossed my screen a number of times in the past, but I had no concept of the full context for it.

[Holly Fry]

Right. One guy who just wants his way really caused a lot of problems. I love the idea of paying for things with daffodils.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

I like that better than puffins, because.

[Holly Fry]

The puffins were going to end up on A plate.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

It's fun to think about. Like, here are your. Here's your herd of puffins. Yeah. That's inherently funny. But then, you know.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah. When I was in Iceland years ago on my honeymoon, I got to hold a rescue puffin at an aquarium. It was a puffin who could not live in the wild anymore.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Was being cared for at the aquarium and was so soft.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

That as. As a person who does eat some meat, I was like, I can't. I could never eat one of these. It captured my. My heart to touch this incredibly soft puffin.

[Holly Fry]

If you ever meet a cow, you might be doomed.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Oh, I've met cows before.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, me too. They're so sweet.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Somehow the fact that, like, I grew up around cows and my grandfather had cows and would gift the family with a side of beef at Christmas, like, that feels a little different than this puffin who I met for the first time as a grown adult. Right. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I mean, some of it is just, like, culturally what you were accustomed to.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Puffins are so cute and goofy. I love them.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I just so struck in this one by the ways that conflicts wage on and do real. Really kind of come down to, you know, disagreements that often, particularly in this case. Right. Like Parliament going, no, dude, you can't have money for that.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Can't do that.

[Holly Fry]

No, dude, you really can't. Sorry, dude, you can't do that. Him going, I'm gonna do it anyway. He totally kind of. Leroy Jenkinsed his way into a big, big scandal that impacted a lot of people.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

That is something that has come up on the show before in the context of other episodes. And I went. Cause I was trying to remember. Like, I remember we have talked about the basics of this context before. And in my looking through old outlines, could not put my finger on which episodes those were.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. But I like it, and I like the fact that, you know, someone figured out that this was still a hanging chat, essentially. How can we fix this in a way that looks great for all of us and is actually pretty light hearted and fun? I love that paperwork. It'll get you every time. File your TPS reports or someone will have to realize you're at war. Some of this, obviously, as we talk about the English Civil wars, those have been things that, for me have always been a little difficult to get my head around because there are so many moving parts and because this was a time when I had to kind of distill that down into, like, easier broad strokes.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Right.

[Holly Fry]

I suddenly was like, oh, now I get it Now I see. I. Oh, that other thing we've talked about. It was one of those great moments where we talk about this. I know we've talked about this during live shows, for sure. Like, the longer we do this show, the greater puzzle that is world history gets filled in a little each time. And this was one of those where a lot of pieces click together and some weird shape thing I thought I would never find went bloop.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

And I was like, oh, it's right there.

[Holly Fry]

All righty. All righty. Rue. Now I get it. Now I. Now I get it. Now, listen, don't quiz me on it, because in two weeks, I'll be like, I don't remember. I don't know what happened there, but maybe. Maybe it will be retained. I don't want anybody to be at war because I'm a hippie, but that's how it is.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

Same.

[Holly Fry]

Nobody wants to listen to me, apparently. Yeah, let's go to the Isles of Cilly. At some point on my list, next time I go to England, I'm gonna have to figure out a little. A little off the coast visit, because I want to go. I want to see all the little things. I also just love, like, those little places that are. Don't have a huge population and have a tourism industry that is a kajillion times. I know that's not mathematically real. Right. But it's kind of. Iceland is not dissimilar because, you know, it has, I think it, at last count, what we were told when we were there a couple months ago, 400,000 people now, which is actually up quite a bit from what it was not that long ago. But they do more than 2 million people a year in tourism, which is a lot. And so this is kind of. This is a bigger gap in terms of, like, proportion, because if there are 1800 people and 100,000 people are coming a year.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

That's right.

[Holly Fry]

That's a bigger jump.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

That made me think about western North Carolina, which is a big tourist destination. Asheville specifically, and a lot of the other cities and towns in the area. Tourist destinations. And after, like, in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Helene, there was a lot of discourse from people saying we should move away from tourism. Like, we were so reliant on tourism dollars, and now we've had this disaster. And it was one of those things where I was like, I get that sentiment, but also, that disaster is so enormous that every industry that could be there would also be affected. And so that just made me think about, we're talking about islands in a climate that's milder than, you know, some other parts of that area of the world, but how vulnerable islands are to disaster and then what happens afterward? This is where my brain is today, apparently. Disaster and consequences of disaster.

[Holly Fry]

Feeling my brain is living there lately. But hopefully if this is your weekend coming up, I hope you have no disasters nor any concerns about consequences of disasters, real or imagined. Listen, sometimes anxiety drives the bus and you think about all this bad stuff that could happen. And I hope that doesn't happen for you this weekend. I hope instead you have joy, some relaxation. You take care of the people around you and they take care of you in turn. If you have to work, I hope it goes smoothly and no one's a jerk. And if they are a jerk, you tell them I said stop. I'm sure they're really gonna care when you're like Holly Fry said, don't. They'll be like aunt. So in any case, we will be right back here tomorrow to share a classic story with you. And then on Monday we'll have something brand new.

[Tracy B. Wilson]

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