How to find your personal style, with Naima Fatema

Summary

Style-ish Podcast: "How to Find Your Personal Style" with Naima Fatema

Host: Rhiannon Joyce (Shameless Media)
Guest: Naima Fatema
Date: May 28, 2026

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Episode Overview

This lively Style-ish episode centers on the journey to finding and expressing personal style, featuring social media expert, content creator, and fashion enthusiast Naima Fatema. Rhiannon Joyce and Naima delve into the routines, inspirations, and playful experimentation that underpin Naima’s unique approach to clothing and self-expression. The episode is rich with practical tips, relatable anecdotes, and candid reflections on why fashion matters and how everyone can make it a daily act of creativity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Naima's Background & Day-to-Day Life

• Naima straddles two worlds: Head of Social at Shameless Media and an accomplished content creator with a growing online following.
  • "Your followers have, like, what, tripled?" (02:24)
• She’s been part of the Style-ish community from the beginning, involved even before the official launch.

Morning Routine & Approach to Dressing

• First decision: Whether to snooze or get up, often opting for "less time to get ready." (05:52)
• Rituals: Fluffy robe, shower, gua sha skincare, podcast on loud, tea or coffee from her partner.
  • “I always...have, like, a podcast on loud. Not even through a speaker, just through my phone.” (06:13)
• Ad-hoc outfit selection: Naima does not plan outfits; instead, she "dresses as characters for the day," adapting to mood, environment, or agenda. (06:32, 06:56)
  • “I really dress as characters for the day, and so that'll completely depend on who I am that morning when I wake up.” (06:32)

Fashion as Creative Outlet

• Getting dressed is a daily act of creativity.
  • “For me, it feels like the only creative thing that you have to do every single day...so why not make it a really fun exercise?” (07:52)
• Childhood constraints: With a math/science-heavy schooling, weekends were her creative outlet outside school uniforms.
• Embracing individuality: Even used school uniforms to experiment—“one day I'm gonna be able to dress like Blair Waldorf.” (09:18)

Practical Styling Advice

• Three words for Naima’s style: Boyish, joyful, romantic. (11:34)
  • "I actually asked my Instagram audience what they think, and there was one answer that I really, really liked, and it was boyish, joyful, and romantic." (11:34)
• On finding your ‘authentic’ style:
  • Style is a muscle, not an innate talent—needs development and evolves with time and experimentation.
    • “You have to try lots of things on. You have to look bad. There’s going to be some shit outfits.” (12:24)
    • “Same with your style, it’s not going to be fully evolved at 20...You have to try lots of things on.” (12:24)
  • Micro-trends are useful for experimenting and learning what works for you.
• Seasonal shifts: Rhiannon finds herself more colorful in summer, Naima in winter ("to brighten up a grim day"). (13:32, 13:40)
• Wardrobe building blocks:
  • Naima builds outfits around favorite shoes or stripes—keeps the process less overwhelming. (14:01, 14:25)
  • "Shoes are, in my opinion, investment items. Like, when I buy a pair of shoes, I really think about it." (14:35)

Sources of Inspiration

• Movies, TV, and Media: Iconic references like Gossip Girl, The OC; characters often directly inspire looks. (15:04, 16:14)
  • “When I watch a movie or a TV show, I get really obsessed with what the characters in that show are wearing.” (15:06)
  • Color palettes from street scenes or interiors inspire combinations, like pairing shades seen in a house or a film. (16:14)
• Dressing for mood and context: Adopting "characters" for confidence (e.g., channeling Andy Sachs from Devil Wears Prada for big days). (17:08)
  • "Dressing is such a beautiful way to convey something to the world, even if you’re not necessarily feeling it." (17:08)
  • Outfits can double as motivation—putting on real clothes to avoid lounging about. (18:17, 18:49)

The Joy & Value of Copying

• Hot take:
  • “Copying people is not bad.” (21:36, 21:40)
  • “No one owns one particular style...There’s nothing wrong with being inspired by other people.” (21:42)
• Group inspiration: In the stylish, well-dressed Shameless Media office, everyone borrows ideas but always adds their own twist.
  • “If I was to buy literally the exact thing that you bought or Zara bought, we would wear it so differently and it would look different.” (22:47)

Fun & Personal Tidbits

• Favorite book: Finished 'Fourth Wing'; fantasizing about reading styles and escapism. (18:59)
• Surprising fact: Many followers don’t know she works at Shameless Media; loves to cook and dine out (recommendation: Seray in Melbourne for Filipino food). (20:37, 21:03)
• Coffee story: Strong Melbourne coffee connects to her bold style—needs a punchy flavor to offset rushed mornings. (10:07, 10:35)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On evolving style:
  • “You have to try lots of things on. You have to look bad. There’s going to be some shit outfits... You’re going to find bits that you like from those outfits, and then you’re going to bring it into the next one, or you’re going to really find out what you don’t like, which also is going to start steering you into a direction.” — Naima (12:24)
• On copying:
  • “Copying people is not bad. No one owns one particular style...Everyone, when they put something on, has a different flair to it.” — Naima (21:40)
• On fashion’s daily magic:
  • “It’s such a pleasure to get dressed in the morning...every single person has to get dressed in the morning, so why not make it a really fun exercise?” — Naima (07:52)
• On ‘characters’:
  • “I really dress as characters for the day, and so that'll completely depend on who I am that morning when I wake up.” — Naima (06:32)
  • “Today’s like sparkly ballerina. There’s a little character to everything. I try to take that attitude into my day, which sounds so delulu, but it’s my version of manifestation.” — Naima (17:51)
• On color and mood:
  • “In winter…I go really bright with, like, the knits that I choose. I love colored tights, obviously, and I try to bring, like, a fun coat or, like, a fun accessory in, because that always makes me feel, like, a little bit more excited about my day.” — Naima (13:40)
• On practical style tips:
  • "I love stripes. I feel like stripes are always, like, a really good addition to any outfit because it just adds interest so quickly, and then you can always build something around that. Often I do start with, like, shoes." — Naima (14:01)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:22–02:29: Naima’s career journey and role in the Style-ish omniverse.
• 05:41–07:26: Morning routines, outfit selection mindset.
• 07:52–09:18: Fashion as creativity, childhood influences (school uniforms, Blair Waldorf dreams).
• 11:28–13:17: Defining personal style and the process of discovery.
• 13:32–14:25: Seasonal style shifts, wardrobe foundations.
• 15:04–17:08: Inspiration from media, interiors, mood-based dressing.
• 17:08–18:17: Using fashion for confidence and self-motivation.
• 21:36–22:47: The “copying is not bad” hot take.
• 18:59–21:26: Personal recommendations (books, restaurants), unexpected facts.

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Recap — Takeaways for Listeners

• Personal style is not fixed; it’s playful, evolving, and should be approached with curiosity and experimentation.
• Don’t shy away from being inspired by others—everyone brings a unique flair to what they wear.
• Wardrobe ‘characters’ and mood-based dressing can bring joy, confidence, and intention to each day.
• Practical tip: Build from your favorite, most considered items (like shoes or stripes), and don’t be afraid of “bad” outfits—they’re part of refining your look.
• Fashion is for everyone; it’s a creative act that invites inspiration, self-discovery, and a bit of fun.

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End of episode summary.

Transcript

[A]

Copying people is not bad.

[B]

This is so good. Naima.

[A]

I'm not an outfit planner, which might surprise people.

[B]

Okay, you've got two cameras.

[A]

I've got two. I really dress as characters for the day.

[B]

Okay, what character are you today then? Welcome to what Else? A new miniseries brought to you by Nespresso. In this miniseries, we're stepping into the mornings of three women we admire, uncovering their worlds beyond their titles, routines and public Personas and asking them what else they are outside of their careers. Across the three episodes, we'll discover what makes them tick and uncover the small decisions that shape how they show up. This series is made possible by an espresso where every coffee is a chance to discover a new world. So we're using the new Vertuo up machine. And even better, the machine is doing all the heavy lifting. It's happening. Just press to explore. Over 30 exceptional Vertuo blends from single origins to fun flavored coffees. Roast and ground sealed in aluminium for freshness and recyclable by Nespresso's program. Because building a successful life is easier with your morning coffee in hand. And. And let's get into today's episode. Hello, guys. I'm Rhiannon Joyce Stylish's Wednesday and Friday co hosts. Welcome to our first ever video series, what Else? This is episode one of our brand new series with Nespresso. And I am so, so lucky to be joined by the wonderful Naima Fatima. Hello.

[A]

I'm so excited to be here.

[B]

Do you know what's so exciting about this episode? And I feel like you're going to love this. You can watch the video version on YouTube and Spotify. This is a shameless media stylish verse. We have video available across a few of our other podcasts in our omniverse, but this is a stylish exclusive.

[A]

I'm so pumped because obviously I'm the social girl, so I want to see it on my phone. I want to see the outfit.

[B]

I was just about to say people are going to be running to Spotify and YouTube to see your outfit, Naima, because you look unbelievable as you look unbelievable. I'm really excited to talk to you today about personal style because we know that our community absolutely adore your style and you've got a lot of tips and tricks that you can share. For those of you who aren't familiar with Nymar, where have you been? Because you've been regularly contributing not just to the podcast most recently, but you've been part of the stylish Omniverse since the beginning.

[A]

Yes. Even before it, like, launched on social, I was still. I was there. I was in there in the background. I was one of the contributors before it even launched. I. When I got that email that was so exciting, I was like, oh, maybe I am landing on people's for you pages.

[B]

Even more so now because your followers have, like, what, tripled?

[A]

I mean, as a social media person, that made me very happy.

[B]

That is definitely what you want. Not only as head of social at Shameless Media, but you're also a content creator in your own right. So you're straddling two worlds, working full time and then also doing content creation on the side. Yes. You've had a thriving career as a content creator and social media. You've got over 10 years experience. But we know the outfits are what make a huge part of how you show up online, but also in your job as well. I want to kick off with a bit of a wreck and you should not be surprised by this. We obviously have the swap, which is our regular recommendation that we swap in our Wednesday episodes. Yeah. So what is your swap for today?

[A]

I thought about this. I was like, what is something that is like, quintessentially me? I thought about content and also social, and I was like, okay, I'm going to bring in my cameras, which I actually did bring in today.

[B]

Oh, we have a physical prop, people. And I know you can see that because you're probably watching this. Okay, you've got two cameras. I've got two.

[A]

Because I have to be on my phone all the time at work. I've tried really hard to take some of that screen time down, which is, to be honest, we looked at it the other day and it was pretty diabolical.

[B]

Was it?

[A]

It was seven hours on one and two hours on the other. So, yeah, not good.

[B]

But you're head of social.

[A]

I know, but I still should bring it down a little bit.

[B]

Okay, so how are you bringing it down?

[A]

My camera roll is also all, like, a lot of it's just like outfit photos or my work photos. So I wanted to bring somewhere where I could have all of, like, my special memories and not bring out my phone as much when I'm out with my friends, out to dinner, you know, family time. So I ended up getting two cameras. I'm not a camera expert, so you could buy any of these cameras, but I've got a film one and a really easy, like, point and shoot digi1. I like to take this out on, like a night out with A flash. It looks so good. Fair warning, you will be hit up by your friends the next day being like, oh, yeah, those photos. So be prepared to work.

[B]

Be prepared to work. You work enough by the sounds of that screen time. But it reminds me of the old, like, club photo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When you'd wait for the. I'm really showing my age the photo album to drop on Facebook and everyone. And we'll always have the club name at the bottom.

[A]

At the bottom on the right hand corner.

[B]

Yes. And I went through this weird phase where I wouldn't look at the camera. It was very like, look away.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like trying to be mysterious, like candid. And it is like, honestly. And then I went through this stage where I was like, girl at the camera. Like, guys, I'm gonna try and dig these photos up because I'm finding water. What's the other one you've got?

[A]

So this one's just a 35 millimeter point and shoot. Both of these are from Facebook Marketplace. They were under 100 each. Obviously film is like a little bit more expensive. You do have to get it. It's actually so easy to do now as well. There's a bunch of dropboxes around Melbourne where you can just drop off the film and they just do it for you. Facebook Marketplace. You don't have to spend too much. They're just nice things to have in your bag at all times. Especially the film one. Because it's like when I get them printed, I have no idea what's on there. So it's such a nice surprise because it's like you're not actually obsessed with what the photo is. It's just a nice memory.

[B]

I feel I need to break the habit of reserving my film for being on holiday.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I really like that you're leaning into it being like, okay, everyday moments, going out with your friends, capturing those memories. That's really special. And I really need to take a page out of your book.

[A]

Just pop it in your handbag.

[B]

Let's get into the episode. I really want to start with a very obvious place to start. The morning routine. The morning rituals. What are you doing 7am whatever time. Like how. What is the first decision of the day?

[A]

It is whether I want to snooze or not. So is it that I'm going to give myself more time to get ready or less time to get ready? More often than not, it's less time to get ready. But I put on my fluffy robe and then I head to the bathroom, have a shower, do my Gua Sha. Normally, if my boyfriend hasn't left early for work, he will hand me a little tea or a coffee, which is

[B]

very nice, very sweet.

[A]

I do my makeup and I always. And this will probably be a sensory nightmare to you, but have, like, a podcast on loud. Not even through a speaker, just through my phone.

[B]

Morning is, like, quiet time for me. I famously like to raw dog a lot of my walks in, like, morning time. Do you plan your outfits in the morning or the night before?

[A]

I'm not an outfit planner, which might surprise people. I'm not an outfit planner at all. I really dress as characters for the day, and so that'll completely depend on who I am that morning when I wake up. It's even, like, sensory things where I'm like, I don't want to jump around that day. I want to wear this specific shoe. It'll completely depend on the morning.

[B]

Okay, what character are you today then?

[A]

Today I wanted to be a bit of whimsy because I saw what this house looked like and I was like, okay, I want to match the vibe. And that's what I've gone with.

[B]

You've lent into the aesthetic. You've lent in. It's almost like method dressing.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, very method. And also how I want to feel that day. Like, if I've got a lot of, like, computer work, I'll probably go, like, a little bit more, like, tailored, like, shirts, you know, big jumpers, my, like, loafers. But when I've got more, like, in person meetings, I'll go a little bit more dressed up.

[B]

I'm really similar. I feel when I am at my desk, which is a lot lately, I lean more into functional comfort. But when I am out visiting clients, which is a huge part of my job, I often will elevate or, like, I'm in a heel. I've got a bit more of a beat on my face. Yeah, I'm really putting in more of an effort. So much so that some of the girls in the office will be like,

[A]

whoa, what's on today?

[B]

Exactly. It's like, who are you seeing today? I really want to know. Why is fashion so important to you?

[A]

It's such a pleasure to get dressed in the morning. For me, it feels like the only creative thing that you have to do every single day. Like, every single person has to get dressed in the morning, so why not make it a really fun exercise? So I think fashion from the start was, like, the way that I've always been creative because it's something that I could inject into my everyday. When I was growing up, being creative was like, not really a pathway for where I was going to go with my life. So, you know, I had quite like math heavy subjects at school and science heavy subjects. And it was so nice that outside of that, obviously not in my school uniform, but on my Saturdays and Sundays, I had. I got to have fun with that element of creativity where I couldn't do that in my day to day.

[B]

You've really brought the school uniform back. I remember one of your first tiktoks I ever saw went viral where you were actually wearing a Melbourne school uniform.

[A]

Yeah. I put it up and I was like, as a joke, I said, oh, this is probably from a high schooler. And a girl was like, oh, that's literally my school uniform. And it was not even one that was far away from my house. So I probably could have got onto the tram and another girl was like, wearing the same uniform.

[B]

No doubt you had that little Gossip Girl flair. Do you remember when they used to wear their uniform, but then they would just embellish with like, ties and different headscarves and jewelry. It's like, okay, is that a uniform

[A]

that shaped me as a human, though. Like, that was like, that was my dream for my school uniform. My school did not let us do that, obviously, but I was like, one day I'm gonna be able to dress like Blair Waldorf.

[B]

Great segue. I really want to get into your styling tips and how you can really, you know, make your outfit personal and feel unique. But before we do that, we need to go make a coffee.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You haven't had one yet?

[A]

No. I'm so excited. Are you gonna make me a coffee?

[B]

I'm gonna make you a coffee. Coffees. Let's go a little mid recording coffee break.

[A]

I'm so pumped. I haven't had one yet. Okay.

[B]

I've had a few. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're going to make you a double espresso iced oat latte. Say that three times.

[A]

Double if no, no.

[B]

So we're using the new vertro up machine and we're using the Chiaro flavor. Even better. The machine is doing all the heavy lifting. This is the coffee creations mode.

[A]

I want a punchy flavor in the morning.

[B]

You know it's happening.

[A]

What a treat as well. I know having my coffee made for me.

[B]

You need to have a little me time moment at home. Get that cafe style experience at home and let the machine do all the heavy lifting. This looks good. Yeah, I know you love a dash of milk. Is that Right. Okay, so we're going to pop in some oat milk, very creamy. I want to lick the spoon, but I'm not an animal. Yum. You look great. The coffee looks great.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Tell me about your coffee story. Why is this your go to?

[A]

I mean, I'm from Melbourne, so I've obviously been drinking coffee since, you know, out the womb. I obviously also love a bold outfit.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

As you can see. So I think it just makes sense with the rest of my aesthetic. I leave myself not very long to get ready, so I need a good coffee to get me pumped up, out the door, ready for my day.

[B]

I've got something to make that a little bit easier for you. So you can actually download the Nespresso smart app and you can save your favorite recipes. So when you're on the go go, or you need to make a quick decision, you can already preload it and the machine will do it all for you.

[A]

It already knows. It knows what to do.

[B]

Now you've got your coffee, we're going to make mine, and then we're going to get back into the episode. Time to get comfy. This jacket is not making it easier for me, but apparently it looks good.

[A]

Well, it looks good, so that's all that matters. It's delicious, by the way. Well done.

[B]

Thank you. Okay, let's get into the styling advice, because that's why everyone is here.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Everyone wants to be in your brain, Neiman.

[A]

Gosh.

[B]

Let's start with three words that define your style.

[A]

Okay. I found this really hard. A really hard exercise, because I don't know if you agree. I feel like my style really ranges from day to day. It's not like, just the one esthetic. And I actually asked my Instagram audience what they think, and there was one answer that I really, really liked, and it was boyish, joyful, and romantic. And I was like, that is so nice.

[B]

I would love to know, what do you think the best piece of advice is for someone who is trying to discover what their authentic style is?

[A]

I think about this all the time because I think people want this, like, authentic style, personal style, to. For you to, like, pick it out of thin air. Like, it's not a thing that you just, like, know, and you can go into a store and you just know what your personal style is. Like everything else in your life, it's like a muscle that you have to.

[B]

You have to flex.

[A]

Flex, like, similar to your personality. You're not, like, fully evolved at the age of 18 or 20. Same with your style it's not going to be fully evolved at 20. You're not going to be able to go into a store and be like, that's exactly my style. You have to try lots of things on. You have to look bad. There's going to be some shit outfits, you know, like, because you're going to find bits that you like from those outfits, and then you're going to bring it into the next one, or you're going to really find out what you don't like, which also is going to start steering you into a direction. I also think, like, a micro trend or a trend isn't a bad thing as well, because it's a really easy way to try something on and also see how other people interpret that trend and try pull it into your personal style. So I think the best thing that you can do is just keep trying and evolving. And the more you try new things, the more you try new outfits and colors and textures, the more you're going to be able to refine what it is that actually feels like you.

[B]

I find it really helpful to have almost like a seasonal version of myself as well. So how RE shows up in summer is actually very different to how she shows up in winter. Often in summer is where you see me play more with color and texture, but then in winter, that's where you see the structured styles.

[A]

See, I kind of go opposite. I go, like, more colorful in winter because I feel grim about the outside.

[B]

You want to brighten up your day?

[A]

Yeah, the weather feels grim, so I go really bright with, like, the knits that I choose. I love colored tights, obviously, and I try to bring, like, a fun coat or, like, a fun accessory in, because that always makes me feel, like, a little bit more excited about my day.

[B]

Do you have any items in your wardrobe that you build your outfits around, like a wardrobe building block?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I feel like I've got, like, a few different things that I love a lot. Like, I love stripes. I feel like stripes are always, like, a really good addition to any outfit because it just adds interest so quickly, and then you can always build something around that. Often I do start with, like, shoes. Like, I've got, like, five pairs of shoes I like, so I decide first which shoes I want to wear that day, and then I often build up from there.

[B]

It's really interesting. When I interviewed Erin Deering in the Face to Face series, she also started with shoes, and I hadn't heard anyone say that, so you're the second person to say that. But it also makes A lot of sense.

[A]

Well, it just, like, it's less stressful for my brain because it's like, I don't have as many shoes because shoes are, in my opinion, investment items. Like, when I buy a pair of shoes, I really think about it. So I don't have that many shoes, so it's not like a whole range that I need to pick from. Whereas the rest of my wardrobe, it's growing so a bit more stressful to look at at 7am in the morning.

[B]

That makes a lot of sense. I want to know, and I'm sure everyone else does, where are you getting your inspiration for your style from?

[A]

Okay, everywhere. I watch a lot of movies. I love watching movies. I love watching TV shows. When I watch a movie or a TV show, I get really obsessed with what the characters in that show are wearing. So like, similar to Gossip Girl, I think when I was 16, there's, like, a photo of me at the Met steps in an exact, like, Blair wardrobe outfit with, like, the headphones, headband, and everything. I rewatched the OC recently, and I started just wearing so many striped shirts with T shirts over the top because I love Seth Cohen. I take a lot of inspiration from, like, the media that I'm consuming outside of that, in terms of, like, color. I take a lot of inspiration from, like, just colors I see out in the street. Like, I often. Even houses are really good for color. Even here. Like, the blue and the brown look so beautiful together. And that would be such a good color combination that I could pull from in my wardrobe. I might not have this exact blue or this exact brown, but I can tell that, like, these two light colors are cool together. So I would wear, like, a blue jumper and maybe, like, bring in brown with, like, a bangle or a bag. And I think that would be, like, a combination that could work.

[B]

I feel like you're in my head. I love marrying up interiors with outfits. It's something. I also looked at this space and was like, okay, what's going to be complimentary? I initially thought I would wear brown and pink because I wanted to have a bit of a pop of color as well. But then I was like, I can't. My skirt was pink, and I was like, I kind of wanted to be in pants. So then I was like, I'll bring the color to the top, and then I'll embellish with, like, earrings.

[A]

Got a big earring.

[B]

We've got our big earrings on. We've been business. Media is a really interesting space to source inspiration. One of my favorite all time films. The Talented Mr. Ripley.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is my go to source for inspiration when holidaying. Always. But even the men like the linen sets. I love like the little accessories, the scarves and it's set in Italy and it's just absolutely gorgeous. It's constantly my reference. I love that when I'm dressing for holiday. You mentioned that in winter you tend to dress more lively and you know, when the weather's a bit grim, you're trying to, you know, brighten up your life. Are there any other references you can give me where you've like dressed to your mood?

[A]

Well, I know that when I want to feel confident, more confident than I am feeling, I go for like probably a little bit more like chic. Like I go almost. My reference then is like an Andy Sax in double S Prada or like a 10 things I hate about you. Or like those 90s media girls. That almost becomes my reference. I think dressing is such a beautiful way to convey something to the world, even if you. You're not necessarily feeling it. Like I said with color, it's so nice when I'm feeling a bit dreary and not my best self to really dress up in color to still feel good. And then when I'm not feeling confident or it's like a presentation that feels scary or a big day at work, I'll probably put on a bit of a heeled boot and a structured shirt. Yeah. Like almost dress like a fashion editor for the day. I genuinely do give myself characters. Today's like sparkly ballerina. There's a little character to everything. I try to take that attitude into my day, which sounds so delulu, but

[B]

I don't think it sounds delulu at all.

[A]

It's like my version of manifestation.

[B]

It's a nice fun way to get dressed and also just like brings a bit of joy in your day. Why wouldn't you?

[A]

Also I find when I am feeling lazy at home, I will put on an outfit because then I can't lounge about. Like I don't have a lot of like lounging clothes. Like I don't really have track pants. So on a Saturday I just put on jeans in the morning because then I can't get back into bed and I just have to go about my day.

[B]

I'm the opposite. I have like matching sets that are like home outfits.

[A]

Love that.

[B]

So it's like they are home clothes and they're not allowed to be worn outside.

[A]

No outside air on them.

[B]

No outside air. Not even to like walk to Get a coffee. It's like they're inside.

[A]

Yeah. I'd use my clothes to like force me into actions.

[B]

Okay. I would love to move into some surprise and delight questions. I'd love to know what was the last book you read?

[A]

Yeah, you're gonna love this. I just finished Fourth Wing.

[B]

Music to my ears. I am a huge Fourth Wing fan. I feel like I've made so many girls in the office read this book, even if they're not fantasy girlies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Would you say you're a fantasy girly?

[A]

No, I would say I was a big fantasy girl when I was a kid. Like, I was a really, really big reader as a child. Like, my mum would just like take me to the library and I would just sit there and read for hours. Like, I loved an Eragon. I loved all of those books. I actually was buying a book for like a 10 year old the other day, like my boyfriend's niece. It was the book Inkart. Do you remember that book?

[B]

No.

[A]

It was. I read it when I was a kid and I was so obsessed with the fact that she was now going to read it as a 10 year old. That brought back a lot of memories of, like, why I loved fantasy. Recently I've been really into the genre of girl in life. Complaining about things and not much happening.

[B]

Like sad girl vibes.

[A]

Yeah, sad girl vibes. But I think Fourth Wing was like the perfect book for me right now. It's been. You would know this a busy year for us.

[B]

It has. It's May, by the way.

[A]

Yeah, it's May. But then on the side, I obviously also do a lot of content creation stuff. So it's just been a busy year around. I thought it was really just a good way for me to like take my brain out and just put it into a world escapism.

[B]

That's what it's all about.

[A]

I wish there was a bit more dragons, really. I don't think I really cared about them as much.

[B]

What about the sex? Oh, I see. I thought the war is more. Ruby hall actually sprung this question on me when I did my inherited interview. She asked me, what is something people who follow you might be surprised to know about you or to learn? I was taken aback. So I'm just sharing the anxiety, genuinely.

[A]

So many people that follow me don't actually know that I work at Shameless Media. Like a lot of flex. Yeah, like a lot of people. I think I've only started kind of like bringing it in a little bit more now. I love to cook. That's probably what I do to like, tune out, keep my hands busy. I love to eat. I love going to a restaurant.

[B]

Okay, restaurant rec. Unsolicited wreck. Let's go in Melbourne. Number one spot.

[A]

Number one spot.

[B]

Yeah, go for it. You got to go number one.

[A]

Okay. Number one spot that I don't think a lot of people have gone to is Seray in the city. Really good Filipino food. Incredible.

[B]

Amazing. And it's quite understated and chill. Like it's. You walk in very. It almost has like a cafe esque sort of vibe to it. The food is incredible. The bone marrow there.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

If you're vegetarian or a vegan, I apologize.

[A]

No, it's so good.

[B]

But it is, is incredible.

[A]

It's all over charcoal. It's so good.

[B]

Final question. And again, this shouldn't be a surprise to you because you are in our stylish omniverse and we love a hot take. I want to know what your hot take is.

[A]

Copying people is not bad.

[B]

This is so good. Naima.

[A]

Copying people is not bad.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

No one owns one particular style. Things look so different on other people compared to you. Everyone, when they, like put something on it, like, has a different flair to it. How someone stands in clothing, how they, like interact with the day and clothing is so different to another person. There's nothing wrong with, I don't know, being inspired by other people. I genuinely come into the office and everyone in our office is so well dressed and sometimes I come in in an outfit and I'll go, oh, this is a bit of a re. Oh, this is a bit of a Lucy. And I think there's nothing wrong with taking inspiration from the people around you. It's not a bad thing.

[B]

It's not a bad thing. And it's almost like a Venn diagram in our office. It'll be like, like, let's say you, Zara and I, it's like the overlap can be so different, but then there's like a slight little bit that's the same. Like Zaz and I overlap tiny, tiny bit. But we also have huge appreciation for each other's style. And likewise with you. I think you and Zara overlap quite a lot, I would say, in terms of like the brands and what you like and the creativity that you have with style.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then you and I overlay in like structure.

[A]

But also it's like if I was to buy, like literally the exact thing that you bought or Zara bought, we would wear it so differently and it would look different.

[B]

Yeah, like you would almost look at it and go, I can't believe that's the same vibe.

[A]

Same thing. There's a. There's a post in this. This diagram. Yeah.

[B]

What do they say?

[A]

Flip it.

[B]

Flip it. I was like, what's the social thing? All right, guys, that's it for today. Thank you so much for joining us. Naimo. And I'm so glad we could finally really deep dive the style pace, because that's what everyone wants to hear.

[A]

Thank you for having me. I could talk about that forever.

[B]

Well, we can after have a little coffee and keep chatting.

[A]

Thank you so much for having me.

[B]

Thank you, guys.

[A]

Bye.