The fast fashion murder case that’s gripping the world

Summary

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Style-ish – "The fast fashion murder case that’s gripping the world" (May 26, 2026)

Hosts: Naima, Jo, and Mads (Produced by Shameless Media)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into three big fashion and pop culture conversations:

1. The latest beauty and fashion status symbols (nails and the Anne Hathaway 'facelift hair hack')
2. Honest and nuanced discussion on cosmetic procedures and transparency in the influencer/celebrity world
3. The gripping murder investigation involving Mango’s founder, a saga likened to a real-life episode of Succession

The hosts mix banter, internet trends, and thoughtful social commentary in their signature playful and transparent style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trend Talk: Short Bare Nails as Status Symbol

(Begins ~02:00)

• The trio riffs about moving woes and segues into the latest "status symbol": bare, short nails, replacing highly manicured claws.
• Cites a resurging TikTok by Valeria Lipovetsky pushing the "less polish = high status/time-rich" narrative.
• Analysis: The so-called “naked nail” trend is tied to the narrative of efficiency and being too busy for self-care rituals.

"If you're efficient with your time, you don't need to go get your nails done... everyone’s saying it’s the new status symbol." – C, (03:12)

• Critique: The hosts and a quoted TikTok creator, Christina Rodolfo, call out the problematic class/race undertones by referencing how nail art is core to self-expression in marginalized communities.

“It’s harmful to conflate naked nails with better taste or class, which are often just euphemisms for white supremacist beauty standards... Nail art is not just about pretty colors, it’s about how these communities of color show up in a society that constantly devalues them.” – Christina Rodolfo, (04:25)

• Additional angles: Expensive nail appointments (sometimes $160+), self-care, and the hypocrisy around policing “girl” spending vs. male-dominated hobbies.

Memorable Quotes:

• "If I have saved up my money, let the girlies go and get the fun nail... Let me get the crazy patterns 1000%." – C (05:48)
• "I've never heard someone go, I can't believe you spent that to go and play golf today." – B (06:02)

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2. Swap Segment: Cleaning Hacks & TikTok Obsessions

(~06:18–12:50)

• Each host brings a life hack or new obsession.
  • B: Raves about 'Skipper Clean,' an aesthetically-branded, eco cleaning products line (07:01).
  • A: Endorses the Bissell Revolution Hydrosteam for tackling musty carpets in rentals (09:25).
  • C: Introduces ‘4 and the 5,’ a TikTok group channel documenting four friends’ NYC adventures, predicting friendship group TikToks are the “next big thing” (11:26).

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3. Anne Hathaway’s Facelift Braid Hack & Cosmetic Transparency

(Begins ~13:30, Key: 17:00–27:17)

• The “Facelift Hair Hack” is discussed—Anne Hathaway’s viral Oscars “Get Ready With Me” video where her stylist demonstrates tiny braids near the crown to create a subtle, lifted face effect. The hack ignited speculation and viral copying.

  • C tried the hack, found it time-consuming and uncomfortable; saw little difference due to youth.

• The hosts debate transparency about cosmetic work for celebrities.

  • Elle interview quote:

  “I wanted to show that, like, no, I didn’t make a huge medical decision. It’s just two braids.” – Anne Hathaway, (18:05)

  • They question whether such partial transparency (“no major medical decisions, just two braids”) helps or hinders, considering audience expectations and celebrity privacy.
  • A likens it to the change in attitudes towards injectables/Botox, recalling when such procedures were taboo and now are lunch-break routines.
  • They raise concerns about young girls normalizing surgical enhancements.
  • Ultimately: Self-determination rules, but public figures face disproportionate scrutiny.

Notable Quotes:

• “As a black woman, when I get a weave or braids, the same snatched look happens. It’s giving Kylie Jenner’s it’s just lip liner. May not be a facelift, but it is something else.” – Audience feedback read by B (19:08)
• “I don’t want [surgery] to be something that we applaud—but equally, I don’t want it to be something that we scrutinize... your body, your choice.” – B (23:17)
• “It was very hush hush... then it became more popular to talk about it... now people just go and get injectables in their lunch break.” – A (24:34)

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4. Main Story: The Mango Murder Mystery

(Begins ~27:30, Main Content 28:32–38:28)

The Case

• In Dec 2024, Mango founder Isaac Andik died after a fall from a 500ft cliff while hiking with his son, Jonathan.
• Initial reporting called it a tragic accident, but the case has since been reopened, and Jonathan was arrested, suspected of “active and premeditated participation” in his father's death (30:30).
• Motive and context: Family tension, Isaac’s plans to redirect family wealth to charity, and business succession.
• Evidence cited—autopsy results indicating an accidental fall was unlikely; discrepancies in Jonathan’s account (father 'taking photos' but phone found in pocket, multiple revisits to death site, his phone disappearing when investigation reopened).
  • Forensic report: Lack of injury patterns consistent with accidental bracing/falling.
  • Allegedly, 'slide-like' descent suggested by injuries.
  • Jonathan posted 1m Euro bail; the family has publicly defended his innocence.

Analysis

• Hosts compare the saga to Succession—a high-drama, high-stakes family and corporate power struggle.
• Context: Jonathan’s 20-year Mango tenure, 95% family control.
• Recent business moves: Mango’s rise as a global fashion competitor (Victoria Beckham collab, Hailey Bieber campaign).
• Side note: Hailey Bieber clarified she only modeled in Mango’s campaign, not collaborating or tied to ownership (36:36).

Fashion True Crime

• Recalled examples: Maurizio Gucci (murdered by hitman hired by ex-wife), Gianni Versace.
• Hosts anticipate documentary/podcast coverage and vow to revisit as proceedings develop.
• Stress: All allegations remain unproven; family support remains with Jonathan.

Memorable Quote:

• “This is like real-life Succession... it reads like a TV show.” – B (35:27)
• “Jonathan not only strongly denies the claims, but the Andik family as a whole actually issued a statement in support of Jonathan, saying ‘there does not exist nor will there exist legitimate evidence against him.’” – B (38:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I'm sick of status symbols.” – C (02:32)
• “Nail art is not just about pretty colors. It's about how these communities of color show up in a society that constantly devalues them.” – Christina Rodolfo (04:42)
• “[On Anne Hathaway’s hack] ...I think it is safe to say that Anne Hathaway, being one of the most recognisable celebrities in the world, has access and means to all sorts of cosmetic procedures... So where she is on the scale of doing something or not, I’m not personally concerned with us speculating here.” – B (19:08)
• “But there has been a lot of change at Mango as well that apparently Jonathan has been at the helm of... now you say Mango, and it sits alongside the likes of Zara.” – B (36:00)
• “This will be definitely one I feel like we should come back to and touch on when we kind of find out more. Because what I imagine will unfold if he is charged... is a little bit of a peek into the dynasty that is Mango.” – B (37:36)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Nail Status Symbol Discourse: 02:00–06:18
• Swap/Cleaning Life Hacks & TikTok Recommendations: 06:18–12:50
• Friendship Group TikTok Trend: 11:40–13:19
• Anne Hathaway Facelift Braid Hack: 17:00–23:30
• Cosmetic Surgery Culture and Transparency: 18:05–25:52
• Mango Murder Mystery: 28:32–38:28

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Tone and Takeaways

• Playful, relatable, often irreverent but grounded in sharp cultural and social analysis.
• The hosts respect complexity—balancing industry trend fun, honest personal anecdotes, tough questions about race, class, privilege, and the darker side of global fashion dynasties.
• Conclude with an appetite to keep following the evolving Mango true crime story.

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

[B]

This episode of Stylish is brought to you by Bioderma's new hydrabio hydroactive range. If you don't stop, why should your hydration find the Bioderma hydrabio range at leading pharmacies and beauty retailers. This is Stylish, the podcast for all things fashion, lifestyle, brand, and beauty. We've got a new little dynamic trio in the room today. This is our first time as a trio.

[A]

Yeah, I was going to say, we've never done the three of us, have we?

[B]

No, we haven't. We've got Nyma, Jo, and Mads in the room.

[C]

Hello, trio unlocked.

[B]

How's our week going?

[A]

Oh, don't ask.

[B]

It's not feeling, like, as exciting as when I intro'd off campus last week, Jo. But, pray do tell, how has your week been?

[A]

Oh, it's just been the week from hell. Moving house. Honestly, I'm surprised. My eyes are still open and I lost my makeup bag. Like, I couldn't find it today. I was searching in the outside area where we've got all our boxes, looking for it for ages. I was like, I'm gonna have to go makeup free.

[B]

I mean, your skin's good enough. You could have definitely gone.

[A]

I didn't really, like, with the bags under my eyes at the moment, I didn't really want to go makeup free, but I ended up finding it, so. And somehow I found a spare top and pants, so that's good.

[B]

We're here, and you look great. It all works.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Thank you.

[C]

Couldn't tell you just moved, so. Oh, great.

[A]

Okay. I appreciate that.

[C]

Yeah, it's truly one of the worst. It's just so stressful and it's not fun. And once you get there, it's like, now I have to unpack.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

Yeah, and now it's going to take me, like, a month to feel like this is my home.

[B]

Yeah, I'm also moving.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So Joe and I were bonding over it over the weekend.

[C]

I just moved.

[B]

Oh, great.

[C]

There they go.

[B]

Our senior podcast producer, Kate, is also moving in two weeks. Is there, like, a planet that's misaligned or, like, I don't know, I'm clearly not really that into astrology.

[A]

Gemini's in Uranus.

[C]

Oh, Helen.

[B]

Get out. Out you get.

[A]

There she is.

[B]

Okay, no toilet humor. Thank you, Madison.

[C]

Have you guys seen a new status symbol has dropped.

[B]

It's not. It's not Gemini in my age, that's for sure.

[C]

I tried for a segue there, and you brought it back, so I Don't know what you want me here.

[B]

Tell me, what is the new status symbol?

[C]

So apparently bare short nails are the new status symbol. And you know my thoughts on it. I'm sick of status symbols.

[A]

I'm sick of it.

[B]

BALLAD so when you say short bare nail, do you mean like a bubble bath and a funny bunny or you mean like a, like naked. Naked. Oh, nude.

[A]

Raw. Sorry.

[B]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[A]

I'm going to rein myself in.

[B]

Go on.

[A]

Nightmare.

[C]

So there was a TikTok from Valeria Lipovetsky about two years ago, but some reason everyone's pulling it into their analysis at the moment, that basically she's like, you don't need to get. Go get your nails done anymore because it's taking up too much of your week. So that's the thing. It's like, if you're efficient with your time, you don't need to go get your nails done. And then I think recently we've also seen it on, like, the Marc Jacobs Runway. And then a few, like, owners of businesses have come out and been like, I don't have two hours every few weeks to go get my nails done. So everyone's saying it's the new status symbol.

[A]

You know what? I actually do hate getting my nails done. Like, I like how they look afterwards.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I hate going.

[C]

But I do think if you want

[A]

to do it, let the people do it 100%.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, I don't think anyone loves sitting there. Although I must admit, a lot of my friends who are mums love it because it's like an hour uninterrupted, where, like, usually they're like, to their partner, you're actually going to take the kids and I'm going to have an hour of peace. I mean, it is interesting about the status symbol thing because it's like, well, it used to be that if you had your nails done, you had it all together and you, like, you know, you were polished and you were primed and you cared about your appearance. And, you know, then it was like, if you had claws, you mustn't be doing, like, you know, a corporate job because how could you tippy tap? Well, I've seen that debunked by more than enough girlfriends. But then it's like, now if you don't get them, you're busy or any more important than the person. I genuinely just can't keep up.

[A]

I actually saw a really great TikTok, actually. Maybe it was a reel from a creator that I follow who's based in New York. Her Name is Christina Rodolfo, and she made some really good points on this exact topic. And I'm gonna play that for you now.

[D]

Every time I see this discourse come up, and I've seen it come up on substack, on TikTok, on reels, what I've noticed is a glaring lack of intersectionality. It's harmful to conflate naked nails with better taste or class, which are often just euphemisms for white supremacist beauty standards. There's nothing inherently wrong with liking nude nails. I like nude nails. But what I have a problem with is respectability politics and perpetuating beauty rules that shut down marginalized communities. We can't talk about nails without talking about how central it is to self expression in black and Latino communities and across Asia and Japan and Korea and Vietnam. Nail art is not just about pretty colors. It's about how these communities of color show up in a society that constantly devalues them. Pushing an aesthetic that strips you of expression to be a blank slate of a human being is a dangerous gateway into flattening culture.

[A]

I think Christina's video is a great example of it's not just something that we can slap a sticker on and say, this is a status symbol. There's a lot more layers to it. There's a lot more depth to it. There's a lot more context to consider. I also think it's just a way for us to have an excuse not to spend the money that we currently don't have. Like, getting your nails done in this day and age as well is so expensive. Oh, I think the last time I had mine done, I paid like $160.

[B]

Oh. When I got a mani pedi, I nearly gawked the other day. I'm like, thank God my toenails grow at a much slower rate than my fingernails.

[C]

Yeah. And I also think it's like, if I have saved up my money, let the girlies go and get the fun nail. Like, I've saved up my money. I want to go and perform some self care. Let me get the crazy patterns 1000%.

[B]

Also, I've never heard someone go, I can't believe you spent that to go and play golf today.

[C]

Yeah, I found out how much golf balls were. I think they're like 60 bucks each. Someone fact checked that. But do you know what a roundabout standby.

[B]

Okay, so I'll intro the swap because, Jo, I feel like you been going first and I'd really like that to keep going.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

And I'm actually so excited to do this because I think that you are going to be tickled pink with what my swap is.

[A]

Oh, I can't. Can you go first then?

[B]

Okay, I can go first. I'm so excited.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's actually a cleaning one.

[C]

Whoa.

[A]

Get out.

[B]

Talk about reformed. So, as mentioned, I'm moving at the moment. I don't have Internet in my new place yet. Little bit type B of me. Anyway, I live in the same building as my best friend. I know.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

I said to someone once, it's honestly like a TV show. And she was like, yeah, that's what

[C]

I thought adult friendships were. We all lived in the same building.

[B]

Friends, the TV show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is not a new thing. I was like, damn it. Hate to feel I'm going to want to see this.

[A]

Definitely Monica.

[B]

Yeah, she is my Monica. Anyway, Christina very kindly let me work from her office today so I could use the Internet. And then she had this really beautiful package arrive. And naturally I'm like, oh, unboxing time. What's in there? It was from a brand called Skipper. Now it's Skipper Clean. This is like the chicest branding I have seen from cleaning products. And also, like, there's just a lot going on in my life and maybe I'll share it when I feel ready in a couple of months. But I'm becoming very conscious of kind of just like what I'm using on and around my body at the moment as I'm going through this stuff. And she was like, there are these amazing, like, clean dishwashing tablets. They're made in Australia. There's. I'd never seen them before. Washing sheets, washing machine sheets. These smell so good. Their Instagram is. You would honestly think it was for like a skincare or body care brand. It's unreal. Yeah, I got absolutely sucked in. I bought the. I shouldn't even say sucked in. There is nothing sucker about it. I'm thrilled. I can't wait for it to arrive. I bought the sheets, which she's given me some to sample. I bought the tablets, which I've eaten off her dishes, so I figure work great because they're always sparkling clean. And I also bought the cleaning surface.

[A]

I'm looking at their Instagram right now. I've never heard of them. Why has this never been advertised to me?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I've got heaps of. Heaps of people I follow. Like, my friends follow them.

[B]

There's probably two things to say to that one. One of them, you, the paid marketing team, probably needs to work on that. You are the target.

[A]

I am.

[C]

You are the target. You are number one.

[B]

Yeah. But you know what? Like, they're. It's just, they're having a lot of fun and I really love categories that shake up.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Those sorts of things. So Touchland is one of my favorite brands because I talk about it a lot. They made hands and it has a really fun and cool. This is like. I was literally. Christina was like, you're getting crazy. I was like opening it, wanting to see the thank you note that came with it. Show me the email they sent you. Like, I wanted to see the full 360 of this brand. Anyway, that's my cleaning hack.

[A]

Love it. I never thought I'd say the day I'm actually wrapped. I think the last time you brought a cleaning hack was your Dyson vacuum. Was it Dyson mop?

[B]

Yeah. I love that.

[A]

See, I have a shocking memory and even I can remember that because it was such a momentous moment.

[B]

I'm glad. I'm glad. Is yours also a cleaning hack?

[C]

It is.

[A]

I didn't know you were doing one, so I wrote one.

[C]

Oh, my God. Double cleaning hack.

[B]

Is yours also a cleaning. No, thank God.

[A]

Because this is not a cleaning podcast.

[C]

Yes, the podcast about style, brand and cleaning. Cleaning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, the people like it. Mine is the Bissell Revolution Hydrosteam. Now I'm going to explain. I'm going to explain the situation. So this is actually my mother in law's and we got the keys to a new rental on Thursday. Walked in, I hadn't been through this rental, so I trusted a mess with something and I shouldn't have. He went through the house and he came home. He said, yep, it's good. And I went, okay, let's apply for it because it's got everything we need. I didn't think about the fact that he wouldn't look at the finer details, which I should have known at the time. I walk in there on Thursday and I'm like, this place stinks. This is foul. Had not been cleaned. The carpets hadn't been done. Like, I could just see dog hair everywhere. Like, that's obviously what was creating the smell. And so we urgently called my mother in law and we're like, are you available and can you bring your Bissell over? And so she brings her Bissell, hydro, steam, whatever it's called into the house and we steam cleaned all of the carpets. Like, even that has probably only made them like 25% less smelly. So I think I need to Do a few more passes. But I'm so glad that we had it because it did make a big difference. The day that we moved in, I was like, okay, it's not as bad as it was, but I need to give it another few goes. But it is a seriously like complex machine.

[B]

I love this. I don't have carpet, but that sounds great for someone who does.

[A]

I wish I didn't. Unfortunately, I do.

[B]

So, Naima, what is your non cleaning habit?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm really sorry, guys. I wish we coordinated and if we had the triple one, it would have been crazy.

[B]

I think people would have write.

[C]

Everyone would have tuned out.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Like Kate would have been like, enough guys. You just want one. All right, so I've got a TikTok that I'm loving at the moment. It's called 4 and the 5 and it's filling a gap in my life that I've had for a while, which is like of the sitcom Friendship Group. I'm a big fan of like New Girl Sex and the city. Like Brooklyn Nine Nine Parks and Rec. Like I love a 30 minute sitcom show. And this is a group of four girls. They live in New York. Their names, I wrote them down. Ivana, Drew, Gabby and Madison. And they're four girls who live in the five boroughs of New York City and they have a TikTok together. So it's like a friendship TikTok, which is so cute.

[A]

What great idea.

[C]

And it's really giving Sex in the City. So every TikTok is about like their different days. I think their first one initially also had like the Sex in the City music in the background. They all have like really cool job ones. One works like strategy for Chanel. One's like in finance. Like they're all amazing women with amazing taste. Really good sense of style too.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I think this is like also a prediction. It's probably one that's been around as well. It's like friendship group tiktoks the next big thing. We saw it with like Fat Sundays. I'm seeing it with this. I feel like Jake Shane's groups vary that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's filling that like Caitlin and Talia. Yes.

[B]

Who are living in New York. But Caitlin actually did a TikTok on this, which I really loved. Breaking this down. And I have seen these girls, but I've seen them on Instagram. I got served them through reels really showing my age there. But we're the same age, so maybe I'm ending up on the wrong side of that algorithm. But she was saying she thinks this is going to be like the next big thing that brands tap into, but that it has to be friendships that pre existed.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

Like finding each other in the social world, which I'm kind of like for it anyway. I'm like, however you met, I don't really care. I just love seeing friendships.

[C]

I love it because it takes pressure away from one person. Like, it's not this. Like you always have to put yourself in the front and it's like it's always relying on one person. I think they started on like the 10th of May. Classic meme, bringing all the stats. But the 10th of May and they have 110,000 followers on TikTok and 60,000 on Instagram and everyone's like obsessed with it. They're like, more content, more content.

[A]

This feels quite adjacent to what a lot of brands are doing right now with kind of like those mini series.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's very similar. Like the personal version of that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it feels less like mocked up because it's just their lives.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Have fun. I'm going to go follow them.

[C]

Yeah, they're very cool.

[B]

Obsessed.

[A]

Anyway, what are we talking about today? That's.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I can tell you what we're talking about today. We're going to talk about the Anne Hathaway. We're calling it the Facelift Hair hack. And I say that kind of in inverted commas because we're gonna get into why it's all over our feeds and what our audience's kind of thoughts, feelings and emotions are about it all. And Jo, honestly, I don't think this episode could be more you if it tried. Given that you've just opened with a swap of cleaning. I've also given you a cleaning hack. Maybe Nyman will end with you just giving us a cleaning.

[C]

Sure. For the sake of it.

[B]

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[C]

Yeah, it's all over my TikTok. I've seen a few different tutorials. I actually did it this morning. Oh, I don't have it in right now because I got overstimulated straight away. Like, within seconds I was like, oh, like this. But, yes, I followed the tutorial this morning. It took 10 minutes, so that's a bit too long for my liking because I leave approximately 20 minutes to get ready before I'm gonna miss the train. So that was my first instinct, was that I did not like how long it took me. It was a bit too fidgety. And you have to use those tiny,

[A]

tiny hair ties, which are clear plastic ones.

[C]

Yes. My enemy, like, if I had one,

[A]

it's that they hurt so much to take out.

[C]

I will probably preface this by saying that it's not necessarily, like, an area that I feel super insecure about. So I don't know if it's, like, a huge concern of mine. We've also got probably a decade age difference between me and Anne, so I don't know if it's working the same, but I didn't see a huge difference.

[B]

Yeah, it was funny because she did an interview with Elle and they were saying, you know, was the video appointed denial of the rumors that she'd had a facelift? And she responded, and I'm gonna read the quote, so bear with me. She said, I wouldn't say pointed, but we're at a time when people feel very confident in assuming what they think is fact. And sometimes what they think is accurate, and sometimes it's not. Also, by the way, these are huge medical decisions that people are presuming. She said, I wanted to show that, like, no, I didn't make a huge medical decision. It's just two braids. There's a lot of commentary that's come out of that. There's experts that have come out saying that if you were to do this every day, if it was a consent of yours, that it can cause hair damage and loss.

[C]

The amount of hair I lost from the tiny hair ties today. Sorry. It's true. It's like, I can't even imagine how much hair loss I would get.

[B]

But it is also the pulling. Yeah, yeah, I know it. Even from the Slick Rick we've spoken about that. You can get balding in the spot where the bun sits. It can cause a lot of tension and snappage of the hair.

[C]

Look.

[B]

We kind of went to our audience because we had thoughts and feelings about it.

[D]

I.

[B]

But we wanted to hear what you all thought and you know, there was some really interesting ones. Lots of people saying it's damned if you do, it's damned if you don't situation about disclosing cosmetic surgeries for celebrities. I think you just need to take everything a celebrity says with a grain of salt and realize they're people too, with insecurities and a very heavy scrutiny on their appearance. As a black woman, when I get a weave or braids, the same snatched look happens. It's giving Kylie Jenner's it's just lip liner may not be a facelift, but it is something else. Personally, I don't want to sit here and be the woman that speculates whether she has or hasn't had a facelift. I think it is safe to say that Anne Hathaway, being one of the most recognisable celebrities in the world, has access and means to all sorts of cosmetic procedures, skin specialists, doctors, surgeons, you name it. So where she is on the scale of doing something, not doing something, I'm actually not personally concerned with us speculating here. I don't think that helps.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Where I suspect the dissection and frustration comes from in some of these things from our audience is we're in this era where we want people to be the most transparent they've ever been and sometimes that lands really well. So I'll take Kylie Jenner's as an example when someone uploaded a TikTok being like, I just wanna know what she's had done to her boobs. And she replied with 445cc moderate profile, half under the muscle silicon. Garth Fisher. Hope this helps. Lol. And I think the Internet lost its mind for about 72 hours.

[C]

I'm just glad she didn't say it was a Kylie lip clip.

[B]

That's a real mess of the time. I'm really glad she didn't say that to me.

[C]

I'm really glad she didn't just say Kylie Lipkit.

[A]

Again,

[B]

you're really glad that she didn't say something like a Kai bra. That's what you want to go with

[C]

is that I meant Kylie lip kit because that's what she was saying the first time around.

[B]

I know I was trying to help segue you into it not being a commercial thing for her, but I'm also glad it wasn't that one.

[A]

We also saw the same transparency from Kris Jenner when everyone started talking about her facelift and then she was like, well yeah, I went to this guy to have my facelift done and she was really Transparent. Transparent about it. But it also does open you up to a lot of judgment as well, because sometimes the transparency doesn't translate the way that you want it to. So I think she's very much entitled to protect her own privacy. And same as you said, Mads, I'm just not interested in kind of speculating what she has and hasn't had done. Because I also see a lot of, you know, plastic surgeons and people in the US do these green screen videos over the top of celebrities and like they had this and this and this and you actually don't know what they've had done. And there are a lot of intrinsic aging factors like our bone loss, volume loss, the way that our fat pads shift in our face as well. That can really change over the time from when you're 20 to when you're 30.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that can really transform the appearance of your face without you having any work done.

[B]

Totally. I've even seen the trend of Accutane nose. Have you seen that?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Apparently when you go on higher doses of Roaccutane, it can change the appearance of your nose because it's shrinking pore size and by nature your nose can appear to be slimmer. Now that is grounded in zero fat. That is alleged. And I will underline that seven times over. I can't help but feel like, for me, I would say in my personal lived experience, as someone who, you know, I'm 31, I'm starting to think about aging. Not in a way that it stresses me. I'm just noticing my life is showing a little more on my face. I go between going, I really applaud that level of transparency because I think it enables younger people or older people to realize what it takes to get that appearance. That it's not just good jeans and, you know, a expensive moisturizer. But then I do look at like my 11 year old niece and I worry about what that narrative says to her when we're also like, clap, clap, clap. They're the implants that Kylie Jenner got. And we all love that she was so honest about it. I, I just don't want her to assume that then surgery is something that we applaud. But equally, I don't want it to be something that we, that we scrutinize because if you have an insecurity and that's what you want to do with your means, it's a little bit like the nails for me, on a much grander scale, obviously, like your body, your choice.

[C]

Yeah. And also, I don't Like I'm sitting here right now being like, that's not something that I could see myself doing. But I also don't have a million people having an opinion on me.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, like, obviously I have a little bit of, like, I put myself there out there on the Internet, but it's like one mean comment and I'm in crumbles, like, and that's just like one. And I'm not at that scale. So I don't know what it would be like to have that many eyes consistently pulling apart everything about myself.

[A]

And I mean, it is her job, her job, his appearance. And so as an actor, you are going to want to kind of maintain a certain look. So I can understand why she would want to have some cosmetic procedures done. Even if that. It's not a facelift.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even if it is something that's less invasive or whatever it might be. I really liked that point, Mads, that you made around your niece, because I actually never thought of that. But back in the day I used to work at a skin clinic that did injectables and no one was getting it done except older women, like more mature women, at least 40 plus established

[B]

is what I'm calling.

[A]

No one. No one wanted to talk about it. It was very secretive. You couldn't like even say it on the phone if you were confirming their appointment. You had to be really careful, which is probably still the case for privacy reasons. But it was just very hush hush. And then it started to become more popular to talk about it and then suddenly everyone was getting it because they've heard this person gets it and now they're going to get it. And so it then becomes a little flow on effect. And now we've obviously got it being completely mainstream that people just go and get injectables in their lunch break, which just never used to be a thing. Yeah, I think a lot of people

[C]

didn't know about it, like a lot of. Because no one was talking about it. Well, it's like, it's because it used to be this thing that was probably a bit more for like the wealthy.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And it's become a bit more democratized now because it's from the Internet. But there's so many things that I found out and I'm like, that's a thing I didn't know. But it's like I just put it.

[A]

Was it the salmon span?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, you did eliminate. Yeah, it was me, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. People.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But it's like you, when I didn't know about it. I did make this assumption that there were just people who looked younger and, you know, good genes. Good genes. And, you know, they ate a salad and now it's like, now I know about it and it's like, should I get it? Is that what we're all doing? You know, it's like peer pressure, in a way. It's a spiral. Yeah, it is a spiral.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It does beg that interesting question, because I think that because of the transparency that does exist, people expect people to be really honest now. And it is ultimately something you're choosing to get done to your body. Like, I don't have to tell you when I get a blood test, I don't know why I expect someone to tell me when they're getting Botox. Maybe where we hold celebrities to a different standard is that there's obviously all this speculation and has chosen on two occasions to respond to online speculation. This isn't the first. There was actually one, I think it was a year or two ago, where she was doing a little hack. She had her hairstylist hand her a bobby pin. She was saying, like, you know, press your bobby pin into your upper and bottom lip for 30 seconds, don't draw blood. That's when you've gone to extreme. But that's how I get this full, plump lip. I'm like, oh, my God. This is like reminding me again of the Kylie Jenner time when people were, like, sucking into things.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That was a lot about that in ER and things they did. And a lot of lip kits were sold as well. But it's kind of giving that. Where I'm like, maybe it's because she's choosing to respond this way. People are like, well, is it that. I'd rather you just not say anything at all. Tell us if it's that, even if it is.

[C]

But fine, that it's not a facelift. But I don't think you should lead millions of people down the path of saying, it's two braids.

[B]

Well, her.

[A]

Her wording was interesting because she said, I haven't made any major medical decisions. She's not saying, I haven't had any work done at all.

[C]

Yeah, totally.

[A]

But then she followed that up with, it's just two braids.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, you could have just ended it. I didn't make any major medical decisions. Just leave it there. Cut.

[C]

She did also, at the end of it, say, I'm not ruling out getting a facelift.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I don't think she needs one if she hasn't had one. And that's how she looks go off.

[C]

Yeah, I'm braid more braids.

[B]

The whole Devil wears Prada cast. Like we're doing like 20 year before and afters. I'm like, I'm not sure which country. If it wasn't for the dress over the jeans, I don't know how I'd be able to tell. Okay, we're going to discuss why the son of Mango's founder has been been arrested over his father's death. But that's right after a word from today's sponsor.

[A]

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[B]

Right.

[A]

And now it's just come out that his son has been arrested for his alleged murder, that there's something suspicious that has gone on here. So in December 2024, the late founder of Mango and one of the wealthiest businessmen in Spain, second only, I think, to the founders of Zara, which I also was like, wow, that's actually two, like, major chains that have come out of Spain.

[C]

What's happening in Spain?

[A]

Anyway, that was a side note. So the founder of Mango, Isaac Andik, died in what was thought to be a tragic accidental fall while on a hike with his son Jonathan. News broke last week that Jonathan had been arrested in connection with his father's death. The BBC described the arrest as the latest twist in a saga that has gripped and mystified Spain and actually probably the entire world. Because now that this has come out, it's like. Wait, what? There's actual, like, evidence to suggest otherwise? A little bit of background on Isaac's death. So he died age 71 after falling roughly 500ft from a cliff in Montserrat. Like the font. I don't know if anyone's a font fan. Anyway, there's a natural park called Montserrat Natural park, north of Barcelona. On the day that he died. Jonathan was the one who called emergency services, who then went to help recover Isaac's body. So he was there. They were on a hike together, just the two of them at the time. Police treated it as a tragic accident, but in the weeks that followed, the Spanish investigators questioned him again. His two sisters and uncle were also questioned during the investigation. Then in October, the case was reopened and he was formally put under investigation. So that's like quite a few months that he's been under investigation now.

[B]

Yeah, because I remember reading about this when it initially happened that he died and it felt like business news, but now it's feeling like mainstream media news. Yeah.

[C]

Because there was no suspicion. Like none of the reporting really had any suspicion or like the tone was just like, this has happened. It's incredibly sad. It's like a hit to the fashion world, who's such a big figure, but this feels like a really big twist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then the BBC said that the reason that he was arrested was because a judge had decided that there was, and I quote the BBC here, enough evidence to consider the death non accidental with the active and premeditated participation of Jonathan in the death of his father.

[A]

Yeah. So the Judge released a 17 page document that he made public and it cites that the strained relationship between father and son, as well as Isaac's desire to change his will and then funnel some of his fortune into like a charitable foundation he was trying to help people, did not go down well with Jonathan. Allegedly. And it also refers to the results of an autopsy that indicate that a slip or accidental fall was probably unlikely. Like there's quite a few bits of evidence that point to the fact that. Well, that doesn't seem quite right. One of those things is that he, Jonathon, told them he was taking photos when he fell.

[B]

His father was taking photos.

[C]

Yes, yes.

[A]

Yeah. But his phone was found in his pocket at the bottom of the hill.

[B]

I mean, I take a photo and put my phone back in my pocket in mid fall.

[C]

Wait, was it found in not mid fall? Yeah, but I'm so ahead of.

[A]

Jonathan has since defended his innocence and he's posted $1 million euro bail. They might have wanted to set that a little higher for someone that does have a billion dollars fortune with a B. Yeah, yeah, Seems a little low. But anyway, he has posted his 1 million euro bailey after he was arrested. And I need to just confirm these are alleged, these are allegations. How many more times can I say

[B]

it just to make sure?

[A]

Now, as Reported by the afr. The next step in the process is for the investigating judge to decide whether Jonathon should be formally charged, which will then pave the way for a trial. Or the case could be closed and they could be like, no, there's not enough evidence to charge him and go on with your life. And we're just gonna settle on it being an accident. So that's kind of next steps from here. But as we mentioned previously, the investigators believe the type of sleep that Jonathan described his father having would be very unlikely in the area that it occurred. Like, this is meant to be fine for, like, families and school kids. Like, probably my level of hiking experience,

[B]

which is, I'm assuming, by the way, you just intro'd that. Zero.

[A]

Absolutely none. I hate hiking. I've never been on one. I'm just assuming I would. So obviously, like, it's not indicative of somewhere that would be really challenging terrain where it would be normal to have a really big fall. And secondly, they suspect that the footmarks where Isaac fell don't match up with those of someone who slipped and fell. Yeah, like, I'm assuming scuff marks and things like that, you know, you would feel like you would see dragging or something.

[C]

Yeah, I read allegedly that he had no, like, marks on his hands or, like, you know, if you were to, like, brace yourself if you. You fell back. Oh, I feel like an investigator. If you were to, like, fall forward, you would probably brace yourself in certain ways.

[B]

Allegedly. Even if you were falling back, you'd allegedly grab something, potentially. Allegedly. Allegedly.

[A]

Also, according to the forensic report, it looked as if he had launched himself down a slide feet first. To your point, Naima, like, there wasn't those kind of groupy marks that you would have allegedly. Jonathan also visited the site of the fall three times over the 7th, 8th and 10th of December, which obviously raises suspicions he was, you know, planning a study of the site. Additionally, his phone also disappeared around the time the media started reporting the reopening of the investigation. And he told police that it was stolen on a trip to Ecuador. So obviously there would be some data in that phone that police would want to extract that they are no longer able to.

[C]

Things are stacking up.

[B]

It was interesting as well, because there might be some further context you might be wondering. And this is where I think we get into the element of it that has hit the mainstream in this, I guess, succession style drama. But the BBC reported that their investigators have been examining that there was apparently quite a tense relationship between the two and that, you know, in the lead up to the death, the possible motive was the nature of where their relationship had shifted, and just a little bit of context. Jonathan has been involved in Mango for the last two decades, and so apparently there was a little bit of tension in within the business. And the quote was used of emotional manipulation over his father in relationship to him wanting to start a charity. So Jonathan and his family actually exercised 95% control of mango. So I think that context is really important of just how much, I guess, is at stake and play here if his father was making decisions that did impact that stake, regardless of the decision.

[C]

It's just a really sad story, really. It's like watching a family fall apart like this, especially in, like, a business sense. I really can see that there will be probably a Netflix documentary about this,

[A]

if not, like, 45 different podcasts, which I will be tuning into all 40 hostings.

[B]

This is one of the 45. You know, it's so funny to me because Succession is probably my favorite show. And when I was reading this, I was like, oh, my God, this is real life. This is not a TV show. But it writes like one. It reads like one. I feel like. And I'm gonna put the business hat on not to be insensitive to what's going on, but there has been a lot of change at Mango as well that apparently Jonathan has been sort of at the helm of. And, you know, I think 15, 20 years ago, mango wasn't the behemoth that it was now. Now you say Mango, and it sits alongside the likes of Zara.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think that's reflective of their wealth and their standing and net worth. But, you know, in the last two years, we've had them collaborate with Victoria Beckham on a line. They're quite literally live as of recording right now. You know, a week into Hailey Bieber fronting this. This big campaign, like, they've probably got the biggest name in celebrity right now.

[C]

Like, side note on that, actually, did you see that she put up a story clarifying that she's not collaborating on it?

[B]

Yes. I would imagine that time is probably. I'd like to be far, far away from this. I am simply in a campaign as a model.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

With the name Hailey Bieber.

[C]

I just thought it was like a really. I was like, oh. To clarify that specifically on story.

[A]

I didn't see that.

[C]

Yeah, it was. She, like, shared the photo specifically and was like, like, I'm just in the campaign. I'm not collaborating.

[B]

Yeah. I think a lot of people initially were sort of like, oh, Great. We're gonna get like an 18 piece Hayley capsule wardrobe kind of thing, Right?

[C]

Like, interesting timing, of course.

[B]

Very interesting timing. I bet Hayley's team were like, no, no, no. We are on a rocket ship to the moon right now and we're in the Hayley, like, Bieber rehab of everyone who hated her. Myself not included in that camp. Hailey Stan from day one, you know, she's back. And we really don't want to be affiliated with alleged murder.

[A]

And this wouldn't be the first time that we have seen murder in the fashion category either. There have been some pretty high profile ones historically. Maurizio Gucci was one killed by a hitman which was hired by his former wife. And one that we've spoken about on this podcast before. Gianni Versace.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

First we're seeing unfold in real time 100.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Which is crazy.

[B]

This will be definitely one I feel like we should come back to and touch on when we kind of find out more. Because what I imagine will unfold if he is charged and we do have court proceedings, is a little bit of a peek into the dynasty that is Mango and how it has built and what those tensions arose over. Because I don't think often in these large privatized business do we get a scope or peek into what the tension points and pain points are. Because more often than not, you know, they're large conglomerates like lvmh, where we don't really get an inside look and look with all these claims. I do want to point out that Jonathan not only strongly denies the claims and allegations, but the Andick family as a whole actually issued a statement in support of Jonathan saying there does not exist, nor will there exist, legitimate evidence against him. So the family are standing by him,

[C]

looking forward to the discovery phase. Thank you. Year 11 legal studies soon for that one.

[B]

And that is all for this week's episode of Stylish. Thank you very much for joining us. If you like our episodes and you love listening along to our Wednesday app, our Friday app, ideally both, we would love it if you could leave us a review. You can do it at the end of this episode and it helps us keep our show growing, which, you know, we love. And as always, a big thank you to our production team, head of podcast Lucy Hunt, and our senior podcast producer, Kate Emma Burke.

[C]

And with some exciting news, actually, this Friday, we've got a bespoke video podcast series coming out. I'm actually guest number one little self plug there with Rhiannon Joyce. So everyone listen in. Otherwise, we'll see you next Wednesday. Bye, guys.

[A]

Sounds fun. Bye.

[D]

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