The trends that will define summer

Summary

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Style-ish Podcast Summary

Episode: The trends that will define summer

Host: Madison Sullivan Thorpe
Co-hosts: Joanna Fleming, Annika Joshi Smith
Date: September 23, 2025
Podcast by: Shameless Media

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Episode Overview

This Style-ish episode dives into fashion's upcoming summer trends, gives a firsthand New York Fashion Week report, analyzes industry headlines (like Vogue’s new editor and the fall of fashion's “first couple”), and shares fresh recommendations for beauty and lifestyle swaps. The hosts combine lighthearted banter with timely industry insights, exploring what’s defining the conversation in style, beauty, and the business of fashion right now.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal News & Warm-Up

[00:41 – 02:34]

• Annika’s Big Announcement: Annika shares she is 15 weeks pregnant—her first time revealing it on the podcast after announcing on socials.
  • “It’s honestly been so hard to hide…hiding it from you guys on the podcast has been, like, such a challenge.” —Anika Joshi Smith [01:04]
• Fun banter around double-barrel surnames, family updates, and playful takes on evolving podcast intros.

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2. New York Fashion Week Trends: Summer 2026

[02:37 – 08:51]

Annika gives her NYC trend report, fresh from Fashion Month:

Major Style Trends

• Florals & Color: Florals are still strong (“Florals for spring—groundbreaking!” [03:01]), but cerulean blue makes a major comeback.
• Color Bombs: Pops of blue praised for versatility.
  • “It does suit most palettes…such a nice way to kind of adapt a trend into your wardrobe with that pop of color.” —Annika Joshi Smith [03:11]
• Wearability & Practicality: Runways featured more flat shoes and foundational pieces, a shift attributed to economic uncertainty:
  • “…with everything going on in the world…the luxury market decline…the cost of living crisis, I think brands are trying to be a little bit more practical and play it safe.” —Annika Joshi Smith [04:15]
  • Denim continues as a seasonal wardrobe staple.
• Monochrome & Classics: Black and white looks dominate, especially at Ralph Lauren, Toteme, Khaite, and Michael Kors.
• Girly Details: All shades of pink paired with neutrals, animal prints, and even playful modern touches.
• Silhouettes: Peplums, structured tailoring, and waist-cinched looks.
  • “We're still seeing peplums…a lot of tailoring…anything that nipped in at your waist.” —Annika Joshi Smith [05:44]
• Preppy Attire: Tartan, polos, pencil skirts, old school argyle knits return.
  • “That's so a bit of me!” —Madison Sullivan Thorpe [06:33]
• Textures: More focus on tactile elements; pom poms, fringing, tassels, feathers, faux fur, and animal print as texture.
• Playful Accessories: Gigantic belt buckles and functional pendant necklaces—think actual combs and glasses hanging from chains.

Hosts’ Personal Picks

• Annika loves Kate’s modern, fluid dressing and plans to incorporate stripes, scarf dresses, and maxi dresses into her summer wardrobe.
  • “I really love the Kate Show. They do just modern effortless dressing so well…doing a full head to toe ensemble.” —Annika Joshi Smith [08:03]

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3. Quick Pop Culture: The Summer I Turned Pretty Red Carpet

[09:09 – 12:47]

• Hosts share reactions to cast’s red carpet looks—general consensus: underwhelming.
  • “I was just underwhelmed by all the looks.” —Annika Joshi Smith [11:11]
• Notable mentions: Bola’s (“Belly”) style evolution appreciated; Chris Briney (“Conrad”) and others seemed uncomfortable in their fashion choices.
  • “He had a handbag…I don’t think he was wearing it confidently like Jacob Elordi would.” —Joanna Fleming [10:45]

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4. The Swap: Recommendations Roundtable

[12:52 – 18:25]

Madison’s Swap (Spring Cleaning/Donations) [12:56]

• Features two recommended organizations for donating workwear:
  • Fitted for Work
  • Dress for Success
• Emotional listener story about how second-hand donations help women entering the workforce.

Joanna’s Swap (Creator to Watch) [14:26]

• Recommends Gemma Adby (“Gemma with a G”)—a disabled creator with innovative, inspiring short hair tutorials.
  • “She describes herself in her bio as a one armed girl in a two armed world.” —Joanna Fleming [14:26]

Annika’s Swap (Rhode Beauty Glazing Milk) [16:05]

• Annika raves about the Rhode Glazing Milk by Hailey Bieber, “actual glass skin…glows and radiates.”
• Madison offers a tip for Australians: use a US forwarding service; Joanna suggests TBH Skin Milk as a local alternative.

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5. Main Industry Story: Vogue's New Editor and the Outfit Uproar

[19:45 – 26:55]

Chloe Marl’s Appointment & the Fashion Backlash

• Chloe Marl steps in as head of editorial content at American Vogue, succeeding Anna Wintour.
• Internet is divided over Chloe’s casual, understated style—think black singlet, crocheted skirt, and flat sandals.
• Backlash: Critics ask whether she “knows she works in fashion.”
  • “Some took aim at what they saw as a lack of polish compared with Anna Wintour's never wavering armor of sunglasses and Chanel tweed.” —Joanna Fleming [20:24]
• Defense: Others call Chloe’s look “refreshing and radical.”
• Host reactions:
  • Admire Chloe’s nonchalance and relatability; compare her to Anna Wintour’s mythical, “untouchable” personal brand.
    • “Do we admire her nonchalance? Because I really do.” —Annika Joshi Smith [21:28]
  • “Maybe she doesn’t want to be a cultural figure…she is there to produce the magazine, not be the conversation.” —Madison Sullivan Thorpe [26:08]
• Debate on whether it’s possible in this era to lead Vogue without being a visible style figurehead.

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6. Headline Watch: The Messy, Public Split of Fashion’s ‘First Couple’

[27:45 – 38:15]

Natalie Massanet & Erik Tortensen’s Breakup

• Natalie (Net-a-Porter founder) and Erik (Frame co-founder) are in a public legal battle:
  • She alleges he conned her out of $95 million, cheated, suffered from addiction.
  • He countersues, alleging she’s an unfit parent due to drugs, alcohol, and violence—all unsubstantiated, per the NYT reporting.
    • “All of their dirty laundry. Alleged dirty laundry.” —Joanna Fleming, Annika Joshi Smith [31:59]
  • Both lawsuits are filled with unflattering claims; hosts stress that these are allegations.
• Why is this story so compelling?
  • Power, money, fashion world clout attracts public attention; some discomfort expressed over voyeuristic nature.
    • “There is a portrait of perfectionism that is painted…that looks like they have everything together.” —Madison Sullivan Thorpe [33:24]
• The business context:
  • Their split could impact Frame, Skims, and related fashion investments.
  • “There are a lot of question marks on what this divorce…will mean for these businesses.” —Madison Sullivan Thorpe [35:22]
• Reflection on broader industry image: The “polished” world of luxury fashion vs. the messiness behind the façade.

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7. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It's honestly been so hard to hide because I just started showing really early.” —Annika Joshi Smith [01:04]
• “Florals for spring—groundbreaking!” (Miranda Priestley reference) —Annika Joshi Smith [03:01]
• “Chloe Marl’s look…so relatable to a lot of people…I really love this attitude.” —Annika Joshi Smith [21:38]
• “I think Anna Wintour has built that [role] to be unavoidable.” —Madison Sullivan Thorpe [26:41]
• “All of their dirty laundry. Alleged dirty laundry.” —Joanna Fleming, Annika Joshi Smith [31:59]
• “It's funny to me because fashion and luxury fashion are supposed to be polished and pristine. And this all feels so messy in stark contrast.” —Madison Sullivan Thorpe [37:15]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• Personal News & Banter: [00:41–02:34]
• NYC Trend Report: [02:37–08:51]
• Pop Culture Fashion – "The Summer I Turned Pretty": [09:09–12:47]
• The Swap (Listener Recs, Creators, Beauty): [12:52–18:25]
• Vogue’s New Editor Outfits Debate: [19:45–26:55]
• Net-a-Porter/Frame Messy Breakup: [27:45–38:15]

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Tone & Style

Warm, conversational, insider-y, with plenty of wit and occasional honest vulnerability. The hosts blend fashion expertise with relatability, making high-fashion accessible and discussing serious industry moments alongside trending styles and beauty favs.

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For New Listeners

This episode delivers a thorough guide to summer 2026’s biggest style trends, an articulate discussion on the evolving expectations around fashion’s power players, timely reactions to industry headlines, and clever recommendations to refresh your beauty and life routines. Whether tuning in for practical inspiration or a peek behind the glossy fashion curtain, Style-ish offers both substance and fun.

Transcript

[A]

Shameless Media. This episode of Stylish is brought to you by Medikate and the new Advance Pro Collagen Plus Peptide cream, their most advanced collagen solution yet. This is Stylish, the podcast for all things fashion, brand, business, and beauty. My name is Madison Sullivan Thorpe. My co hosts today are Joanna Fleming and guess who's back from New York, New York. We have Anika Joshi Smith, and we cannot wait to hear all about what's coming up for today's show, but also.

[B]

How New York was, and also some major news you've dropped on socials, but not on this podcast. So I feel like we maybe need to talk about that first.

[C]

We do. So I have been keeping the biggest secret, But I am 15 weeks pregnant with a mini me. My little girl. I know. I'm so excited.

[B]

She's a mommy.

[A]

She's a mamacita.

[C]

It's honestly been so hard to hide because I just started showing really early. So actually, hiding it from you guys on the podcast has been, like, such a challenge.

[A]

I think this is where the fact that you gravitate towards baggy dressing has come in really handy for you, because.

[B]

We had no idea. And then you rocked up one day and you were like, guess what? And we were like, wait, what? Where was that?

[A]

Then I was away and I got the message and woke up and squealed like a little pig with excitement.

[C]

I literally was like, oh, shit, Mads is going to find out on text message. And I hated it. But then there was actually just not a time.

[B]

Well, we tried to FaceTime her. The time zone did not really.

[A]

Well, yeah, sorry, I know.

[C]

But she's already very lucky to have the two coolest aunts, so. Yeah, I know.

[B]

And we're very excited to have her with us in the studio.

[A]

So excited. I'm going to update our intro so that it's like. Like a little more like, you know, ANAKA Joshy Smith plus 0.5 baby plow.

[C]

I feel like I need to now actually change my last name because it will be like, I'll be, like, outnumbered in my own family.

[B]

Are you going to do Joshy Smith Plowman?

[C]

Hell, no.

[B]

Okay, what one are we dropping?

[C]

I think we will be becoming Annika Plowman officially.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Yeah, I think dropping the double barrel.

[B]

Okay, so maybe I'll be two now. Damn, I thought I was going to join the club.

[C]

Oh, well, maybe you'll be.

[A]

Actually, you'll be out of the club then. There we go. You just always have two hyphens in the Room.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Three might be too many. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Well, it does help when refills in two. She is also double barrel now.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, God. Okay, now I'm gonna really feel left out. All right, come back to you on that.

[A]

Enough about double barrel surnames. Jo, what are we talking about today?

[B]

Okay, so today we're talking about all the criticism and backlash Vogue's newly appointed head of editorial content, Chloe Marl, is facing for her sense of style and the messy and extremely public breakup of Net A Porter's founder, Natalie Massenet, and the co founder of Frame, Eric Thornsen. So, Annika, we're very happy to have you back, obviously in your little seat there. So before you jet off again, which you're about to do, can we get a little bit of an update on New York and your little trend report, please?

[C]

I honestly keep forgetting them. I'm going overseas. Like, this time next week, I won't.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

It's a bit crazy.

[B]

You just got back.

[C]

I know. I feel like I'm just like aligning and now I'm just going to be all over the show again. But anyway, New York was just the best. Like, I feel like this time of year, September is always just like fashion month in New York. And the city was buzzing. It was just like where we stayed, we stay at a really super cute hotel in soho and there were fashion week events, there were parties. It was just like literally a block party one night. The whole street was like, shut down. It is such a vibe. But the trends were all about spring, summer, 2026 collections. And I just always think of the iconic Miranda Priestley, like, commentary. Florals for spring ground. Like, it always just comes to mind at this time of year. But they were definitely florals. There was a lot of color bombs and there was even cerulean blue. So she is making such a comeback. And I think it's a really nice way to like, if you're. I'm looking at us Mad's, like in a lot of blue today. It's such a nice way to kind of adapt a trend into your wardrobe with that pop of color. And it does suit most palettes. So I think maybe even you too, Jojo.

[B]

Yeah, I can do blue.

[C]

But I think as well, fashion weeks can often just feel super aspirational. And something I really loved about the trends we saw this year was just how practical a lot of the collections were. And we were seeing like a lot of flat shoes on the runways as well, and people just looking for more easy wearing pieces. Like Shirts, beautiful dresses, nothing too tricked up. And sometimes, I guess we can say that, you know, fashion can be a form of escapism. With everything going on in the world right now, the tariffs, all of the, like, inflated costs that we're seeing across the board, the luxury market decline and cost of living crisis, I think brands are trying to be a little bit more practical and play it safe. So there was definitely some common themes coming through around wearability and, like, even just denim being such a mainstay in our wardrobes, especially for spring. So those foundational pieces, some of my favorite trends were definitely. I'm so lame. But, like, monochrome dressing, it's just the best. I'm always in all black outfits, except for today. But black and white looks were all over the Ralph Lauren Totem K and Michael Kors shows, and it was really showing. I would say, like, a really strong contrast, which would help to define elements in your wardrobe. So if you had anything that had really clean detailing, it was really easy to see. And I think people were just really gravitating towards those really simplistic, sharp and sleek kind of outfits. And I think it's something really easy for all of us to recreate at home. And then for the girly girls, every shade of pink. There was a lot at area Tory Burch to be a Michael Kors, but then even, like, pairing them back with neutrals. Teal, khaki, black, and a lot of animal print for, like, a bit more of a modern twist. And then another trend I actually really loved was a strong focus on silhouette. So we're still seeing, like, peplums, even, like, really cool kind of structured outfits. A lot of tailoring and anything that kind of, like, nipped in at your waist. There's so much of that.

[B]

Seeing a lot of cinching.

[C]

Yeah, I love the cinching. I mean, it's kind of hard for me to do it now. We can rock an hour.

[A]

We've had a time for you.

[C]

And something that I thought was super cute was, like, more preppy attire. So, Mads, you get, like, gold star.

[A]

I'm back, baby. I'm back.

[C]

She's back. She's on brand. But tartan played Polo's pencil skirts and those, like, old school argyle knits. Do you remember them? They've got, like, the diamond almost like.

[B]

Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I don't know what it is. Like, print, I guess across them, they were very evident as well.

[A]

That's so a bit of me. I know.

[B]

I see very you.

[C]

It's giving Me, like, so cute.

[A]

Yeah. What can I do for Mew Mew for less?

[C]

I'll find you some options. And texture. So, like, this is where we had a lot of fun, and I think this is a common theme. We're starting to see a lot more now. Instead of it being all about, like, prints and colors, sometimes texture is a really easy way to incorporate the trend into your wardrobe. So there were some extra pom poms. Like, I actually mean, like, cheerleader type pom poms coming through on the runways. And fringing tassels, feathers, faux fur, animal prints are still evident. But I think it's quite cool how animal prints are now almost evolving into the actual texture. So, like, a lot of those pony hairs and things like that, which looked really cool. And of course, accessories did not disappoint. So a lot of pendant necklaces. We kind of saw these coming through, I think, earlier with everyone in their vacation wardrobes. But these pendants are actually, like, super functional. So like a comb kind of hanging from your necklace. Yeah, like, really functional pendants. I even saw, like, glasses. Like, it was actually a feature to have your glasses attached to your necklace as well. Right.

[A]

My dead grandmother would have been thrilled with that.

[C]

And then gigantic belt buckles. Like, big statement about buckles. Like, I was saying hot pants with, like, a belt buckle that almost accentuated the hot pant. And it was just, like, the biggest feature. So a lot of fun playfulness coming through in our spring summer wardrobes.

[A]

What of all of that are you going to be adding to your wardrobe? What were you like? Okay, I'm absolutely taking that home and getting online.

[C]

I really love the Kate Show. I think they do just modern, effortless dressing so well, and I love the fluidity of their garments as well. So I think we can do a lot of fluids. Like Jojo, actually today is wearing a really cool fluid top, that type of satin material. Like, doing a full head to toe ensemble. I saw some really cool stripes, and I'm not really, like, a print girl, but stripes I feel like I can get around. It's like scarf dressing, maxi dresses, and, like, a really cool, simple stripe. But, yeah, I think I'm going to be in Paris next week, so I think I might get a head start on the trends. Sorry, guys.

[A]

Right.

[C]

But she'll be shopping, and I think adapting those looks to my wardrobe.

[A]

Yeah, well, shopping for yourself and shopping for another little girl.

[C]

I know we've already started. It's going to be illegal. You guys.

[B]

I really should task you with finding me a dress.

[C]

I'm on it.

[B]

I'm already on in Paris.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Feels like a good place to go.

[B]

It does, doesn't it? Yeah. That could be a little job for you in your downtime. I have heaps of it.

[A]

Now. You were both away last week. I'm sure that was your punishment for me being away for a few weeks, but we chatted all things the summer I turned pretty.

[B]

I was spewing that. I missed out on that. And I used the word spewing because I had food poisoning. I was really sad to miss out on that. And I loved that episode when I listened back to it, but, oh, I wish I got to discuss that.

[A]

There's so much to unpack. I don't know how many times everyone's re Watched the finale. Personally, I've watched it four, but, you know, maybe lucky five by the time this counters. What did we make of the finale premiere, Fitz.

[B]

I was more looking at the behavior amongst each of them. I thought Chris Briney's. How do I describe it?

[C]

Wait, can we talk in their character names? Because I don't know Conrad names.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Conrad's.

[B]

Conrad's vibe was a bit off. I felt he was quite cold at that event. I thought that Lola Tongue was very, like, Bally Bally was very friendly and bubbly and kind of, you know, trying to seem like they were all really good friends.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he was kind of giving her nothing.

[C]

And to understand.

[A]

She looked like a bloody bombshell, that dress. I also could not help but. But feel like it was the most perhaps sophisticated and grown up. We'd seen her on a red carpet. But I'm with you. I did really fall into the trap of this on TikTok, though. And I feel like they were saying it has a lot to do with him just not wanting to allow, like, shipping and speculation and conversation.

[B]

Yes. Which I understand because he's in a relationship in real life, and it's a very complex thing when people confuse you for your character. So that's very fair.

[C]

Like I'm doing right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're not helping. The handbag.

[A]

Yeah, he had a handbag.

[B]

He had a handbag. I don't know about it on him. I don't think he was wearing it confidently like Jacob Elordi would.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Harry Styles.

[A]

No one wears a handbag better than Jacob Elordi.

[B]

I just. It didn't feel like he was that comfortable with the accessory. And a lot of people were saying on TikTok, like, is he holding Lola's bag for her? Because it just didn't seem like he was comfortable with it as an accessory.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it looked awkward. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I would agree.

[C]

Can I be so just like Negi right now? And I hate to be a hater. I was just underwhelmed by all the looks. I do have to agree. I feel like Belly, I love her glow up. Like, I think this is, like, the Bob, like, everything about her now. I'm like, that character. That's who I kind of epitomize her as. And I love seeing the chic journey for her. I know it was just a look in the shot, but, like, I definitely feel the glow up I've seen from her on red carpets is there, and I'm excited to see where she continues her look. But overall, as a cast, I was really underwhelmed, you guys. I was expecting more.

[A]

I would agree with some of the other cast members.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I also felt that Chris Browning's look wasn't natural to him.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I don't think he looked his most comfortable self.

[C]

Which one's he?

[A]

Conrad in Belmont.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Ready? Got you. Yes. Yes.

[B]

I also wasn't really vibing with the cape look on Belly's brother.

[C]

What's his name?

[A]

Sean.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

She was giving Matrix.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sean is his real name, and his character name is Steven. Steven.

[B]

Steven, that's right. Yeah. He just kind of also looked uncomfortable in the outfit. So I think when you're wearing it confidently, it works.

[C]

It's a lot.

[B]

But when you're not used to wearing that stuff and it can feel a little bit out of your comfort zone, that can reflect a lot, especially when you are being videoed the whole time.

[A]

I wonder as well, if, because the characters are depicted as in their early 20s, seeing them contrasted on a red carpet as the adults they are in adult outfits actually just makes us uncomfortable. Like, maybe they're not uncomfortable. Maybe we're undo.

[C]

100%. That's all me. Like, 100%. I, like, literally, like, if we just go back to the sex scene, like, I just couldn't even imagine. Like, I felt like I had to close my eyes.

[A]

Oh, I didn't close my eyes.

[B]

All right, time for the swap. So, Mads, do you want to go first with your swap?

[A]

I would love to go first with the swap. I actually want to circle back to the episode we did on Spring Cleaning, because I was talking about donating clothes and thinking about where to donate some of my corporate wear or that sort of smart casual. And I had so many of our listeners reach out and recommend Organizations. So, one. Thank you so much. But I wanted to recommend two of the organizations that were recommended to me because I thought, how great is that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the first is fitted for work and the second was dress for success. So as we mentioned, I'm not great at doing the spring cleaning, but I am committing to it and so I'm going to be donating at those two organisations.

[B]

Both very good organisations. I'm very familiar with them.

[A]

Yeah. So I think if anyone has any work blazers or pencil skirts or anything they think would be appropriate for the office. I actually had one of our beautiful listeners reach out saying that she had grown up in regional Victoria in a socioeconomic situation that didn't allow her to sort of, you know, build out her wardrobe as she was starting out as a doctor. And so she had worked with one of the incredible organizations. And it just absolutely filled my cup and my heart might have brought a little tear to my eye that don't tell anyone I have feelings. So, yeah, that's my swap today.

[B]

I love that great opportunity. If you go from working in a corporate environment as well to like a more casual environment, you're just never going to wear those clothes again and like you never intend to go back to that. Great way to repurpose those clothes.

[A]

Totally. I think that's a really cup filling way to donate clothes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Jo, what are you swapping in?

[B]

So my swap is actually a creator today. So I started following a girl called Gemma Adby recently. Gemma with a G. She describes herself in her bio as a one armed girl in a two armed world. So she is a disabled creator on socials. She just does the most amazing hair tutorials in particular. So she does these hair tutorials on her short hair.

[C]

She's got a bob.

[B]

I'm thinking about cutting my hair post wedding.

[C]

Wait, what?

[B]

Yeah, and I'm looking at her for inspo because I'm like, okay, if I can style my hair as much as she does, because I think I just get really bored of having short hair. So I'm looking to her for inspo and I'm like, okay, if I can style my hair as well as she does and be as versatile as she can be, then I can manage it. And I think I could pull it off.

[A]

If you cut your hair. I want that to be a team excursion.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I feel like it's like a belly moment.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Yes, it is very ballet in Paris.

[A]

I'll sing Taylor Swift in the background. Only bought this dress so you could do.

[B]

Except I hopefully Won't have just recently gone through a breakup.

[C]

No.

[A]

Freshly married. Yeah. Even better. Yeah.

[B]

But do feel free to follow Gemma. She just does great content. She also does fashion content as well. I believe she's based in the uk, so it's obviously not super local to us, as, you know, the three of us. But very helpful content. Really great hair tutorials, especially if you've got shorter hair. So highly recommend her.

[C]

I'm such a basic bee when it comes to my hair. Like, all I know how to do is, like, a pony straighten. Like, nothing else. So I'm definitely going to follow her personal inspo.

[B]

Yeah, she does, like, the greatest little hacks of styling her hair.

[C]

It's just.

[B]

Yeah. I never would think to do my hair that way. But, yeah. Yeah.

[C]

Cool. Okay, thanks for that one. Okay, well, I was obviously just in the us Like, I've crapped on about, but I got behind the hype and I went to Sephora and it was like a club in there. Like, there was so much going down. There was a line, like, literally, like 20 minutes long, four road. Wow. But she managed to cop a few products. I couldn't get you guys anything. I'm so sorry. Because it was literally I got the last ones, but I got the travel kit that kind of comes with, like, a little bit of everything. So I have tested a few products, and one that I want to absolutely get behind and back is the glazing milk. It's like US$32. Yeah, yeah, 32.

[A]

I love that you're looking at me. It's probably like, 50 AUD.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Like you would know. Med's obviously not. She's a believer. But honestly, it gives you, like, actual glass skin. Like, I'm not bullshitting at all. My skin, when I put it on, like, glows and it radiates and it is super hydrating. And even if you mix it with, like, makeup, like, I've been blending it with my, like, Haus Labs foundation, and it gives such a beautiful finish. So I don't know what Ms. Bieber has done to this product, what's in it, but whatever it is, it's genius.

[A]

Enough to sell a business for a billion dollars, so it's clearly doing something right.

[C]

And apparently the glazing mist is also, like, elite, so that's my next on my list.

[A]

Greedy Pig has both of these products. And I have to say, I love the mist, but the glazing milk will always have my heart. Okay, you're right. It's great. And she talks a lot about this, mixing it with tinted moisturiser or foundation. Guys, if you're listening, no Road is not yet available in Australia, but you can get it shipped to a US Postal forwarding service if you are desperate. Or just find a mate who's traveling to the States and maybe ask them to head to Sephora.

[B]

Or can I give you an alternative? Yes.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Tbh Skin Milk, Cica toner.

[A]

Oh, here we go.

[C]

Jojo, welcome.

[B]

I think they recently just changed their name to the breakout hack they do was tbh. Yeah. So there you go. Something that our Aussies can get quite easily. I think it's at Kohl's Priceline, I think.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

More affordable online. $30, I believe.

[C]

Okay, great.

[B]

Roughly off the top of my head. Yeah. Might be cheaper than that. Might be 25.

[C]

Love that.

[B]

Yeah. Testing my memory.

[A]

All we know is it's cheaper than ride.

[B]

Yeah. Yep. And we don't have to get a us post.

[A]

All right. But next we're discussing why new Vogue editor Chloe Marles outfits have the Internet divided. But that will be right after a word from today's sponsor. If you're looking for that fresh spring reset for your skin, Medikate has just launched something you'll want on your shelf. The new Advance Pro Collagen plus Peptide cream. It's their most advanced collagen solution yet. It helps to increase Collagen production by 45% for clinically proven results in just seven days. That means smoother looking skin, fewer visible lines, and that healthy glow we all love. What makes it special special is that it works with your skin, helping to strengthen and support it over time while keeping it hydrated and radiant day after day. The texture is silky, it melts in beautifully, and it feels instantly indulgent. Whether you're starting to see lines or you're simply looking to keep skin glowing for longer, this cream is designed to fit seamlessly into your everyday routine. Medikate is proudly B Corp certified and all about results without compromise. Skin care that delivers and feels luxe to use. The new Advance Pro Collagen plus Peptide cream is available now. Head to the Medicaite website or visit your nearest Medicaite clinic to discover more. Thank you so much to Medicaite for making this episode of stylish possible.

[B]

Okay, so new Vogue editor Chloe Marles outfits are really dividing the Internet at the moment. Chloe Marl was appointed American Vogue's new head of Editorial content earlier this month. Since stepping into a role once held by the iconic Anna Wintour. There was a lot of speculation around who would land this role. And there were big shoes to fill. Anna was American Vogue's editor in Chief for 37 years and became synonymous with the high fashion scene. That was one of our first traced episodes, wasn't it? Is that our first episode ever and our tour only? Yeah, it was our first episode.

[A]

Yes. And we dropped it the week of the Met.

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

What a fitting time for us to have launched. Well done, Shameless media.

[B]

So while Chloe has only held this new role for a few weeks, is already facing criticism online not for her work, but for her outfits. So she was photographed leaving the Kate show at New York Fashion Week wearing a plain black singlet, a crocheted skirt with, like, orange detailing on the bottom, and strappy flat sandals. And commenters online were very quick to critique her look. Here's an Excerpt from a news.com article talking about the negative comments her outfit provoked. Within hours, her outfit was everywhere, with commenters asking, does she know she works in fashion? And isn't an interest in fashion kind of crucial? For the others took aim at what they saw as a lack of polish compared with Anna Wintour's never wavering armor of sunglasses and Chanel tweed. Some commenters came to her defense, though, calling her understated look refreshing and radical, with some noting that many of fashion's biggest names think Alexander McQueen and Grace Coddington favored a more laid back, minimal approach to fashion. Like Chloe herself. Did you guys see this on socials?

[A]

It was hard to miss if you have an algorithm that even remotely has a form of fashion in it.

[C]

Yeah, it was very hard to miss. And it was like, I actually kind of have to just call out, like, do we admire her nonchalance? Because I really do.

[B]

Yeah. Kind of seemed like she didn't really care for the criticism, to be honest. I mean, she might behind closed doors, but the way that she was presenting herself, she didn't seem like she cared that much.

[C]

I know. I kind of really love this attitude. And I think there is a certain relatability that comes through as well for, like, the working woman and what her attire should be. But she looked so relatable to, like, a lot of people and what they actually might present themselves in. And I think there's always this stigma around women working in fashion. Like we covered on the Devil Wears Prada, unpacking that episode. And I think it's just so funny how people put this expectation out there. But people in fashion are normal people. Like, a lot of the times, I think people in these higher up roles as well, like they're meant to look a certain way, but that's just simply not the case.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was fascinating to me seeing the response, because I'm so glad you brought up when we did discuss a TikTok video that kind of went pretty viral from the Vogue offices, going like, do these people know they work at Vogue? They work in fashion. It feels as though there's been this expectation that these glossy magazines have been designed to create a world of mystique and allure that is outside of reach.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So maybe Adam Wintour has always represented this, like, polish, this untouchable style that none of us will ever have, because who's going to be that committed to wearing sunglasses, indoor? Who can afford to buy Chanel tweed and, you know, rotate those dresses and jacket combos? That may be. Seeing the contrast of Chloe to that feels way too attainable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, there's probably nothing about Chloe's outfit that was affordable either, but. But it feels like you could go and emulate that very easily. And maybe it's the lack of aspiration. And I use that word with, like, you know, my little quotation fingers because, you know, we've defined aspiration as something very different that feels, you know, uncomfortable for us to go. Two things can be so true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do you make of it?

[B]

Unfortunately, she was always gonna be compared to Anna. Like, that was just unfortunately a harsh reality. As soon as she stepped into that role, there was gonna be comparisons. I think I was quite surprised at both her outfits that I did see on socials that were criticized leaned very casual. And I imagine that even if she didn't present herself as super fashion forward like Anna Wintour does or, you know, super label driven, that she might go a bit more corporate for these kinds of events. But it just felt very casual to me. I think that was what stood out most, like a little crocheted skirt and literally a tank top and flat sandals. I was like, oh, okay. But, you know, it doesn't affect her ability to do her job. And in that article, they specifically call out that since becoming Online editor in 2023, she's doubled traffic to Vogue.com. she co hosts Vogue's weekly fashion and culture podcast and has strengthened its newsletters and expanded its wedding coverage. So she clearly knows how to do the job. So what she wears has absolutely nothing to do with that.

[A]

I'm so glad you've brought up that example, because it is very laid back, it is very casual. Where just by contrast, comparing that to Anna Wintour, her tenure's insane. She's been there for such a long time. She's evolved outside of just her job into a cultural figure. I mean, we have a whole film, the Devil Wears Prada, allegedly based around her, her look, her style, her behavior. These are very big shoes, culturally, to fill. I think the thought that this is someone who is head down at her desk in a very casual, laid back look is like. No, no, no, no, no. We, we want to see this, like, well, dressed, like, you know, alleged monster behavior.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It's so interesting because Anna's personal brand, you can't deny how strong that personal brand is. But I think when we reflect on her timeline as well, she did evolve over time. And I'm really intrigued to see how Chloe evolves over time in this role as well. Like, it is pretty refreshing. And I think maybe her personal brand, I mean, it could pave the way for like, obviously relatability. But also I feel like Anna is such like a unicorn. Like she's like on this pedestal. She is in her short bob sunglasses, head to toe, designer. And again, it is so aspirational. But I'm intrigued to see maybe Chloe will get there and what that's gonna look like for her. Because I feel like now with where we're going and where the industry as well as a whole is going to, I think it does need to have more touch points that feel relatable and maybe even vogue, like as a magazine. It could shift their, I guess, dynamic as well.

[A]

Totally. And Devil's advocate, maybe Chloe doesn't want to be a cultural figure or have a personal brand. Maybe she's like, I'm gonna wear an outfit. This might have been strategic, just laid back. I don't wanna be a point of topic. I want what I produce and what we as a publication produce to be the conversation. I'm not looking to be the conversation.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now that I've said that, I'm actually going to back myself in. I'm going to double down on that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't think she has any interest in being a notable figure. I think she is there, but can.

[B]

You avoid that in that role?

[A]

I think Anna Wintour has built that role to be unavoidable. Yeah. Would be my hot take.

[B]

Well, we'll see how. How she evolves in that role because it's only fresh. So very. Plenty of time for her to change her tune.

[A]

I guess she's wearing a ball gown to the next one. After some of those comments, we'll soon.

[C]

See at the Met gala.

[B]

Yes. Next we're Discussing the very messy and very public breakup of Net A Porter's founder and Frames co founder. But that will be right after a word from today's sponsor. There's nothing better than a wardrobe refresh as we head into spring. And nobody does effortless, affordable style quite like Target. From breathable European linens in earthy spring tones to mix and match sets to take you from work to weekends, Target's spring collection is all about quality, versatile pieces that feel as good as they look. Think modern tailoring from preview fashion forward drops from luliloves and sleek new season footwear to tie it all together. It's style that's right on Target. Head in store or online to shop Target's new collection today. And thank you so much to Target for making this episode of Stylish possible.

[A]

Okay, now onto the fall of fashion's first couple, and we were not clever enough to come up with that title. We have to credit Airmail, who had an article with that same title. We came across a very interesting article in the New York Times titled Love, Drugs, and A fashion breakup worth $95 million. And if that doesn't make you subscribe to the New York Times newsletter, I don't know what does. But the article is essentially all about Natalie Massonet, the founder of luxury fashion retailer Net A Porter. Or Net A Porter if we're, you know, being hoity toity here. But she's in the midst of a very public and very messy breakup with Eric Tortensen, the co founder of denim brand Frame. Before we get into why it's all making news, it's important to note that all of this reporting has come directly from the New York Times, which reported on the two different lawsuits. One that was lodged by Natalie and the other that was lodged by Eric. So all the claims made in the story we're about to discuss come directly from these lawsuits. Okay, so now for the detail. If we go back in time, the pair met in 2009, when Natalie was actually still married. Still, according to Natalie, they only started dating post her divorce. Eric recounts things differently, saying their romance started with an affair in 2009. In the year before this divorce, Natalie sold Net A Porter to the luxury goods conglomerate Richmond in a deal that valued it at 350 million British pounds. It's reported from that she personally walked away with £50 million. So Natalie, you know, Cha Ching. Natalie and Eric fast became an it couple at the heart of the fashion world with, as you can imagine, all the connections, glam and lifestyles that follow and fit that. To quote an article the New York Times published on their breakup. At galas and in interviews, they touted their love for each other's style and minds and extolled the way their personal and professional lives were intertwined, though they never married. Last month, however, on August 20, their relationship imploded when Natalie filed a lawsuit against Eric, accusing him of conning her out of 95 million USD over the course of their relationship and using her for her money and fashion connections. From the same New York Times article. In her complaint, she said he had cheated on her almost from the beginning of their relationship and that he had admitted to alcoholism, sex and drug addiction. And her suit also said he regularly hired prostitutes. Again, I just want to emphasise this is all alleged in the lawsuit. So then last week, Eric filed a lawsuit with a claim for custody of the couple's seven year old son, accusing Natalie of being an unfit parent. This excerpt from that same New York Times article sums up some of the other accusations Eric made in his lawsuit. The suit accuses Ms. Massanet of being a woman who loved the limelight, who used her power to exert control of him, and who retaliated against former colleagues who crossed her professionally. It claims she used drugs regularly, ingested alcoholic beverages heavily, adding that when under the influence, she sometimes turned violent with him. It concluded that all of this raises concerns about her capability to provide responsible care for their child.

[B]

Hmm. Big claims.

[A]

Big claims. And it's important to note that there is a seven year old at the heart of this. That's what made me the saddest. Reading this. According to the New York Times article, Eric's lawyer, Bonnie Eskenazi, described Natalie's suit as vengeful and obviously meritless, without any regard to the harm it would cause their family. While a spokesman for Natalie said Eric's filing was nothing more than a vindictive smear campaign in response to Natalie's claim. I think it goes without saying, guys, this is very, very messy and very, very public.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like literally all of their dirty laundry. Alleged dirty laundry.

[B]

Alleged dirty laundry. Yeah. Big stamp.

[A]

I feel like I'm gonna be there. The red stamp or Joe, maybe it's you. You picked up that first.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I want to start by asking you both, why do we care about stories like this?

[B]

There's some very inflammatory statements made. And I think the fact that they come from very powerful positions. There's a lot of wealth involved, a lot of status involved. I think that's what tends to pique people's interest, especially when claims like this are being thrown around, as we said, I think the saddest part of this is that there's a young child involved in all of this. And yeah, just the most disappointing thing about this whole scenario.

[C]

I feel like the lifestyles of the rich and famous are always gonna be like, of interest. And then when you see such a power couple, like we've seen the rise and fall of many power couples and I think it always presents so glossy and picture perfect and you only see the good in these relationships that when they do come tumbling and crashing like this, there is just interest around it because it's intrigue and these people are so powerful, like you just said. But I agree. I think for me, this honestly just. I just felt so sad. There is a small boy involved in this. And when there's children involved in any breakup, I would like to think parents could actually handle that with their child's best interests in mind as well. And this alleged behaviour is just not making them look that great.

[A]

Yeah, I agree with both of you wholeheartedly. I think when we're looking at money and power and status, there is a portrait of perfectionism that is painted for us, that feels untouchable. That looks like they have everything together. They're building and selling businesses worth hundreds and millions of dollars. You're assuming that they've got their shit together.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think to see an article like this, to have such alleged messy behaviour, whether both of these are substantiated by either party, we will later come to know. It feels like we're peeking into something. We shouldn't be reading this. And I felt like that the entire time reading the article. Did you have the same thoughts?

[B]

Yeah, Ye. There was points where I was a little bit uncomfortable, but an interesting section from the New York Times article that I think is worth touching on is that she's provided proof and evidence in her lawsuit, but he hasn't. Right. So the article says, offered as evidence were text messages said to be between Mr. Tortenson and a drug dealer and between Mr. Tortenson and an unnamed woman who sent selfies to him wearing lingerie. Unlike her suit, his doesn't include text messages or supporting evidence, though both complaints offer a deluge of unflattering details. So I wonder if he has anything that he will bring to light to support what he's said about her being an unfit mother and those kinds of things. But it's. Yeah, it does not look good, does it?

[A]

Yeah. You might also be thinking, what is the relevance of Them. Now if she's sold Net a porter, he's the co founder of Frame. It's quite layered. He actually co founded Frame with Emma Greed's husband. Now Emma Greed has been spoken about on this podcast before, before Zara actually recommended an episode of hers. I can't recommend her podcast enough, but she is the co founder of Good American and Skims, of which the couple both invested in Skims and are current investors in Skims.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So this is very relevant to the current news cycle because as we know, Skims is an incredibly lucrative business. Coming out with a line with the likes of Nike with a face like Kim Kardashian behind it. There are a lot of question marks on what this divorce and dividing of assets will mean for these businesses as well.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know how you reach a financial settlement in this case when there's so much money to be divided. But on a personal note for them, because a lot is being thrown out about their character, I don't think this is going to have any major long term detrimental impacts on their ability to make money or still have very successful careers buying and selling businesses. Yeah, I think it'll be short term that they will maybe be a little bit shunned, but I don't think it's going to have any long term impacts.

[C]

I agree with you. I feel like Natalie herself, she is such an entrepreneur and like she is like got such a business mindset that I feel like she will definitely come out the other side of this. The alleged claims that she's putting forward towards his character I feel like are just so hard to come back with.

[B]

People have done a lot worse than what is being alleged about him and have been able to lead entire countries.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's all I'll say.

[A]

There's an amazing quote that's in the article and it says he is painting her as a partying narcissist. She is depicting him as an amoral grifter. Each claims the other was blinded by money. It's funny to me that you feel she'll come out on top because history would show, generally speaking, the woman does not come out on top, which is really disappointing. But it's funny to me because this also feels like, you know, fashion and luxury fashion is supposed to be polished and pristine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this all feels so messy in stark contrast.

[C]

It's such a contrast.

[A]

It's such a contrast.

[B]

But also even regular people that don't have this kind of money, things can go on behind closed doors in relationships that you just don't know about until it all bubbles to the surface and explodes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you find out, oh, whoa, he is not the person that I thought he was. You know, speaking from personal experience.

[A]

Next two of us there. Yeah. I think this will be one that we will definitely be speaking about again because I imagine that depending on both of these suits and who is deposed to speak or give evidence that we may be hearing from some really big names who are involved intimately with the couple or their businesses.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But again, you know, all of these claims are alleged, as we've all said. I think this is really sad ultimately for their 7 year old son and for businesses that will likely be brought into some pretty nasty discussions.

[B]

Let's just hope this can be resolved as amicably as possible.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Something tells me we may not see that. Let's.

[B]

We'll find out. Crosshairs. Hope so.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that is all for this week's episode of Stylish. Thank you very much for joining us. And of course, thanks very much to you, Joanna Fleming, Annika Joshi Smith, and our new Plus One. Remember, you can drop us an email anytime at style-ishamelessmedia.com or you can slide into our DMs over at Stylish Pod. And we can't forget to thank the shameless media team, our head of podcast, Lucy Hunt, and our senior podcast producer, Kate Emma Burke. We'll be right back with you next Wednesday.

[C]

Bye Bye.

[A]

Foreign.

[C]

This podcast was recorded on Wurundjeri land.

[B]

Always was, always will be, Aboriginal land.

[C]

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