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Shameless media.
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This episode of Stylish is made for summer, not sun damage. Let's stop normalizing sun tanning and end the trend.
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This is Stylish, the podcast for all things fashion, lifestyle, brand and beauty. My name is Madison Sullivan Thorpe. My co hosts are Joanna Fleming, and we have the lovely Rhiannon Joyce filling in because our darling Annika has an OB appointment.
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An OB appointment?
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There is no baby yet.
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No baby yet?
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Yeah.
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To be fair, people would've been like, what are you doing here?
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As of Monday, there is no baby here. I don't know. My juju's going off.
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You have called this from the get go.
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I have. I've said early and so is Arnica, so, I mean, she might be right. I might be right.
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I'm hoping she doesn't come early because I meant to go to an ear seed appointment with her on Friday.
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So selfishly, I'm very sad to be missing that. I was invited just before anyone thinks I was left out.
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You're just busy.
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She's booked and busy.
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Also, guys, are you on the side of TikTok of the little monkeys?
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Don't.
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I literally can't. Don't. I really can't. Oh, my God. It was my swap today.
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Every single time.
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Oh, I didn't see that in your notes.
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I honestly can't look at it. I cry every time.
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Yeah, I had to stop watching after it was in my algorithm for like the fourth time. I just couldn't.
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I want to beat up those little other fcking monkeys.
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Also, those fcking monkeys are ugly.
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They're so cute.
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He's so cute. They're just jealous.
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Did you both see the TikTok I reposted yesterday?
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You repost a lot of tiktoks. I'm going to need you to be a bit more specific.
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Okay. Wow.
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You might have reposted the same one I reposted.
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That wasn't an egg, by the way.
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Feedback's a gift. So it's Max. Max. I don't know.
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He's funny, though.
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He was on I'm a Celebrity coming out of here and he's like, I'm a little bit hungover. Don't judge me. Once I eat my beans on toast, I'm going to get those little monkeys and super nanny style them.
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Maddie doing an accent is honestly up there with one of my favorite things. And I don't know how you managed to. Honestly, I feel like in all fortnightly Friday episode, she is doing an accent
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or she's singing or singing.
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Yeah. Okay.
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Anyway, yes, I did love that tick tock. I also was a little hungover and sad yesterday, so perhaps that's why I was crying.
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Same. Which is a perfect segue for the swap.
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Actually, it is. Should I tell you what the episode is first?
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Oh, yeah, you can do that. Sorry. Okay, I'm all confused now that Annika's not here.
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We'll get into Maddie's swap after this, but first I'll let you know what's on today's episode. We're going to be talking about ebay, buying depop, and then we have a special stylish guide to travel. We're going to be sharing hacks and tips from the wider shameless office, some travel experts who specialise in maximising points, and of course, obviously, us as hosts. But first, let's get into the swap. Maddie, your swap.
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My swap was actually inspired by Ray's comment just before about being hungover and crying over Punch the Monkey, which I also did. It was also hungover because we spent Saturday together at a wedding and I had my makeup done. And my swap this week is a product. It is the Road Pocket Blush in Piggy now, full disclaimer. I bought Piggy. I love that it's called Piggy as well. I bought the Piggy blush when I was in New York, but I also have been gifted a piggy blush. I'm just disclaiming. I have got some products from Rhode. I have spent a lot of my money on buying products from Rhode, but I love this blush and I'm yet to find someone it doesn't work on. I had my makeup done and I was like, oh, I'm just a bit of a blush blindness gal. So I put on a bit more. Just lifts the cheekbones. I. I then got to the wedding with a bat. I always have a concealer. I always have, like, the hourglass holiday palette because it's just got everything you need. And I took the pocket blush and the 1.5 millimeter hourglass liner. God, I'm giving you so many wrecks right now. And I said to Ray, bend down, let me fix you. Bit of piggy blush, bit of 1.5 eyeliner. Everyone's like, oh, that looks beautiful on yours.
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Guys, I really need to start picking up on Maddie's hints because not so subtle hints. The last three times we've been out, she's gone more blush. Like, deadpan me and gone more blush. Eyeliner, more eyeliner.
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And I go, I don't wear eyeliner.
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She goes, come here.
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No, she loves you wearing eyeliner?
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Oh, my God. It's literally.
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I don't.
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Honestly, I should be taking offense to it, but truth be told, I do look ten times better. And everyone's always like, oh, my God, your eyes are popping.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah, I need to listen. But it hurts. You always, like, stab me in the eye.
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Okay. You blink too much. Learn to do it yourself and I won't have to. It's the baby. Yeah. I would say I love you in eyeliner as much as I love you with your hair down. Just so you know the level of love I have for it. So maybe I've just given you a second New Year's resolution.
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So, Rae, just moral of the story, be different.
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I know. She's basically telling me I'm ugly.
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That's what I'm hearing. I would never.
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All right, Jo, I want to hear your swap.
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Ok. My swap is actually something that I literally just put in my notes. Sorry. Ri and I are playing footsies here, talking to each other, because Lucy and Kate, head of podcasts and our producer of the show, both asked me what eyeliner I was wearing today. And every time I wear this eyeliner, people seem to ask about it, and I think it's because it's such a rich brown shade. It's not a charcoal brown. It's not like a really deep almost black. It's actually visibly brown, so much so that it gets confused for burgundy. It's the M. Connor liquid eyeliner in the shade Bruner. And I just feel like it's the perfect eyeliner. If you don't want to wear a black liquid eyeliner and have it really heavy, it's just really light and kind of natural looking.
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It's got quite a warm tone to it, whereas I feel a lot of the dark brown. Black. Very cool.
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Yes.
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Looks good.
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Yeah, it looks great. Thank you.
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So it's a liquid liner.
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For years, neither had I. Yeah, I've
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never heard of this brand either. I'm so intrigued. I'm going to be, like, googling this as we speak.
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Mayor Connor is a really popular Australian makeup. Yes, she is. Yep.
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Always known as a Goldie Girl.
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Always.
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Yeah. Very, very accomplished and has this brand of eyeliners. It does come in a black. So if you do prefer a black, really fine tip, like pen style. Yeah.
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Now that I'm looking, your whole makeup actually today looks great. What blush are you wearing?
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I'll give you one guess. You just said it.
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The road.
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Yeah.
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Piggy. And the piggy. Which one are you wearing? Are you Wearing toasted teddy.
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No, that's my favourite. I think it's. It might be like tan line something. Cause I remember looking at the name and thinking, oh, don't like that.
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That feels like something you wouldn't like.
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Yeah, it was something along, like, tan
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line something, I think Tan line. There's definitely one called Tan Lines because I'm waiting for it to come back in that store.
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Okay. So love the product, hate the name. Yep.
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Fair enough.
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Exactly.
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Well, I love the name Piggy.
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I won't do it. Ri. What's yours?
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Okay, so I had two weddings this weekend. Very busy weekend for me. Friday night I had to get a car back to Melbourne because I had a wedding in Melbourne on the Saturday. And I just had to commit to not staying down in Geelong where the other wedding was. I was really organized and actually wanted to, you know, come home straight away, basically make up off, shower in bed. So I packed the conserving beauty gentle oil cleansing cloths. Have you guys used these?
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Yes.
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So they're the single use ones and they're the ones that dissolve in the. In water.
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Yep.
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So I was in the back of the car, literally taking off my makeup on the phone to you on loudspeaker just to get me back through the drive. About an hour and a half drive. Got like half an hour talking to you.
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Thanks, Max.
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But I was literally just wiping my whole face in the back. And then because it has that really nice, like, oil feeling, I was like, oh, it's very hydrating. Just kind of like cleansing my face
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in the back of this poor guy's car.
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I love the four. Four.
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Yeah. I was like, let's just like speed
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up this process a little bit. So then I got home double cleansed, did my skincare. Always, always did my skincare. Got into bed, I woke up and my skin felt so good and I feel like it's because it was marinating for about 45 minutes.
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I also left one of these out for you when we had our adult sleepover. Do you know what I love as well? They've just rebranded and I think this is a really good rebrand. And I know this isn't the Friday app, so we're not talking campaigns or deep diving brands, but it's really hard to do a rebrand that still looks and feels like where you've come from, but feels like a great evolution. And I really think this team's nailed it.
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Yeah, I love the silver and blue combination. Super elevated. Also makes it feel a bit more medical and science backed. I like when brands lean into that, it's part of their DNA and it shows up in the way that the packaging looks. Yeah, also great tip and maybe jumping ahead, but they are so good to travel with as well when you're on the flight. So good. My husband Louis also loves them as well. So that is my swap.
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Next we're talking ebay buying deeper, but that's going to be right after a word from today's sponsor.
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episode of stylish possible okay, big business, the Secondhand Market I may not be good at finding a vintage buy, but there is certainly a big cohort of people who are Last week it was announced that Etsy has sold Depop to eBay for 1.7 billion Australian dollars. The deal comes five years after Etsy first acquired Depop and is a really quite frankly strategic move from ebay to capture Depop's unmatched Gen Z and Millennial customer base. In a joint statement, both companies said the acquisition will help ebay by deepening its reach with younger fashion forward consumers and expanding its presence in one of the most dynamic areas of resale. Depop will reportedly keep its name platform cult brand, which makes total sense given the weight of that name. According to an article in the Guardian about the sale, Depop had 7 million active buyers by the end of last year, almost 90% of whom are under the age of 34 and more than 3 million active sellers. It recorded annual gross merchandise sales of about a billion AUD in 2025 and has been growing rapidly in the US, registering almost 60% year on year growth there last year and more locally.
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A Depop spokesperson told the ABC at the end of 2025 that sign ups in Australia for the platform have grown over 100% year on year as more consumers look for second hand items.
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There's some boardroom stats you're high fiving about going, yeah, we've hit those KPIs. That same article by the Guardian writes that ebay has been struggling in recent times to keep pace with its fast growing rivals Vinted and Depop, which tend to appeal to younger consumers. It scrap fees for UK private sellers of pre owned clothing and most other items in 2024amid growing competition from other platforms which mostly charge buyers rather than sellers. The global secondhand fashion market has grown dramatically in recent years thanks to Gen Z's interest in pre loved fashion and the rise of resale apps like Depop. It is projected to grow to 690 billion Australian dollars by 2031. What did we think when we first heard about this mega sale?
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It's a big one. That's a lot of money.
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It is a lot of money.
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Doesn't surprise me though.
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Look, Mads, I saw this in your notes, so I don't want to steal what you had to say, but I
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did steal away Ree. I'm a sharer.
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It was the first thing that popped into my head when I read this segment. It was honestly, if you can't build it, you have to buy it. And it got to a point with ebay where they couldn't compete with depop, particularly in the fashion category. I think ebay do a really good job broadly in categories that, you know, target men, older women. There is a legacy piece there that a lot of the older generation are used to buying on ebay. Yeah, they just haven't quite cracked that fashion category. So this feels like a really nice addition to their portfolio categories. They do really well in trading cards, sneakers, also just general electronics. Like I bought a lot of my second hand film cameras off ebay and have had no issues. Mads, you sent me a couple of links for cameras on ebay as well.
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Yeah, I've done the same, but it
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just feels like a really natural extension. They couldn't compete, so they're bought up totally.
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And it goes back to what we've spoken about it so much about beauty brands. If you can't beat it by it, if you can't build it, buy it, it totally rings true. For this. This makes so much sense to me for ebay. It's like they've spent so much time trying to lay this foundation to compete. I don't know if anyone else has kind of seen it, but I feel like I'm a keen watcher of ebay. I. I loved ebay as a teenager. So random. It was like my favorite thing to do. But. But I feel like I've watched this kind of attempt to crack our market locally is probably just my closest observation. But they've sponsored fashion festivals, they've run adjacent campaigns, they've worked with a whole bunch of creators and done a whole lot of campaigns, including on this podcast, we've done campaigns. It's not to say they're not effective either. It can work. It can just mean it's still hard to compete with someone else in the market. And Depop is undeniably their biggest competitor.
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And why do you think that Depop is appealing so much to that younger demographic? Because I have my own theories around that. But what do you guys think?
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I think you don't want to shop where your mom and dad shop. And I think Depop is cool. It feels peer to peer. It's also been super, like influencer led. I think there are a lot of creators who, you know, you look to and you love their outfits and then they're clearing out their wardrobes. Like you feel like you can kind of buy into, you know, someone's wardrobe. Yeah.
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For me, I honestly think it comes down to functionality. The in app experience on Depop is very similar to how you converse or how you behave on an actual social media platform like Instagram. Yeah, that translates really well to young people. Also, you've got to remember ebay is a legacy brand. They originated as a desktop brand and then they tried to redirect to app. I don't think that's translated as well for young people.
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I would agree. I think the reason that it's successful is because it presents a lot like a social media platform than, you know, a shop, basically. But I did notice recently I was having a look on Depop and I was scrolling through and I noticed a lot of fast fashion brands in there. I was struggling to find the brands that I was looking for. Like, if I'm going to be buying on Depop, I'm looking for brands that are maybe Australian made or like high quality fabrications and workmanship. I'm not looking to purchase fast fashion on there, but I can understand why that's a good thing for the circular fashion economy. Because we want this stuff to not end up in landfill. But at the same time, it's like, for me, I was like, that's not why I'm on there.
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Looking.
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Yeah, interesting. But there would be people that are like looking for a second hand Zara top or a beginning boutique dress or. I think it's also great if something sells out. I know the other day Ray and I were chatting, there was a top she wanted, it was sold out in her size. Not going to say the brand because just every time it gives me an aneurysm. But we were looking on there and he's like, I'll check Depop. And I'm like, I don't have that consumer behavior yet. I'm like trying to get better at it. I'm just. Shit. I think you're good at finding a secondhand buy or you're not.
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I'm so big on shopping secondhand, particularly for Lucy Folk, which is one of my favorite brands of all time. I do shop directly a lot from that store because they run a lot of limited pieces. But I also find it pops up quite a bit on Depop and Nag Nada.
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They are like two brands that if you asked me to close my eyes and dress you, I'd put you in those.
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Yeah, I adore both of those brands. Nag Nada is rife on Depop, especially historical colorways that are now quite difficult to get. Some of them actually retail for more on Depop than what you would purchase them for because they're so high demand. But I've always got keywords for them. Shark mousse, which is the brand that Mads was talking about that she didn't want to say.
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It'll hold me until the day I die.
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There is a top that I have my eye on at the moment and there are quite a few on ebay as well. So ebay and Depop I actually went to first and Foremost instead of trying to shop it direct from a major retailer because usually the prices are slashed on those apps. Look, I'm gonna speak about this from a perspective of having worked on ebay quite a bit. As Mads touched on earlier, Shameless Media, specifically, Stylish have worked with ebay in the past. They were actually a long term partner of ours when we first launched Stylish and what was.
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So thanks ebay.
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Thanks ebay. No, I honestly, they backed us in before the product actually existed. The product being Stylish, the podcast. So, yeah, thanks eBay. What was really interesting throughout that whole process was Understanding that everyone knows who ebay is. So the awareness piece is not the challenge, it was the consideration piece. Yeah, Depop, Facebook Marketplace, even Vestia, the Real Real had really strong engagement and consideration from our community. So they're competing with these secondhand retailers that are nowhere near as you know, they haven't been around as long as what ebay has, but they've really popped up as quite popular places for young people to go and shop. And I think coming back to your point, Joe, around the functionality and the replication of it being similar to social media, I also think localization is really key. Talk about here, because the Facebook Marketplace is an interesting one. I personally have never shopped on Facebook Marketplace, but I do know a lot of my friends have a lot of the reason and rationale around that. And some of this came out as well in the verbatim when we did a brand lift study with ebay was that they liked not having to have the product shipped to them. They preferred picking it up.
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Oh, I'm the total opposite of that.
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I'm the opposite too.
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Oh my God, I'd be shaking in my boots. If I had to go to someone's house and pick up something. I might please put it in the post. But in the seller environment, I understand going to the post office and having to post something, it's inconvenient. Thank God my local post office is open on a Saturday, otherwise I'd never get there.
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Yeah. One of the other quotes that came out of this study, and this is actual verbatim from someone in our stylish community, when they were comparing ebay, Facebook, Marketplace and depop, they said, I like that depop is only fashion rather than everything, furniture, et cetera. It feels safe and secure. You don't have to have long winded conversations about the price and pickup and delivery. So again, it's coming up quite a bit, that convenience piece. But also the point that they made, which we haven't spoken about, is the long winded conversations. Have you guys? Because I would say I have had that on Depop.
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Yeah, I think when you're doing this kind of transaction, it's just inevitable you're going to have some kind of back and forth, but maybe less so on Depop than it would be on like Marketplace where you're. Everyone's going, is this still available?
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Is it still available? It's a bit more transactional, more spots and dots. I don't need the story time.
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It's giving you up. Instead of being like, hey, how are you? Nice to Me.
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But also there's maybe a certain type of demographic on Depop as well. It is largely going to be females, I assume. I actually don't know what their actual demographic is, but I'm assuming younger females. So you're speaking to your peers essentially. You're not speaking to someone in an entirely different demographic to you that you would be if you were trying to sell a fridge.
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Yeah, that's so true. I have a question. Why do you think there's such a big demand for secondhand clothing at the moment?
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Shit is expensive. And we also love the archives. Don't know.
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I said it like singing again.
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We are. No, it is Wednesday.
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No, I really do. I think it's really expensive right now. And also so many of the trends that we're seeing are vintage inspired. So why not get the real thing instead of getting like a recreation of it?
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Can I stop you there though? How do you know it's a real thing on Depop?
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Oh, I just mean like vintage.
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Oh, sorry, I thought you were like,
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I'm not going like, it's, it's, it's authentic John Galliard.
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But how do you know?
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How do you know I'm not going like, what's the stitching and is the Chanel code right on the tag? Like, I'm thinking more like, you know, if you want a military jacket, I'm not saying like go to like 1500s, but I'm saying like, if you know that low rise jeans were really big in early 2000s or von Dutch or I don't know, like juicy. Wouldn't you rather the 2000s version?
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Yeah, totally. I do. And the reason why I was like, how do you know? Is I do find the authenticity app on ebay, but also Vestia, I would gravitate to that more so than what I would on Depop. If I was shopping for something that was either vintage actual vintage or vintage inspired, I would go to both of those platforms knowing that they offer that and that's a guarantee. Depop, I feel like, is where you see a lot of fakes.
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Yeah.
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And a lot of dupes circulate and
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age old saying if it seems too good to be true, it probably is likely. So. Yeah.
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I also think there's an element of people trying to be better with their, you know, being more environmentally friendly and they don't want to be buying things brand new all the time. Especially if they really want to be up with the trends and buying things frequently.
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Yeah.
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Their mindset is kind of like, oh, if I buy it, secondhand it's better for the environment. There is still a lot of clothing going into landfill though. In that same ABC article that I referenced earlier, it was talking about how much. Yeah, like billions of.
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Yeah.
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Cubic met. I don't know how they
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can't remember
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it, but it's a lot still going into landfill. And so people that are buying second hand is not necessarily a lot better because they're still buying a lot of stuff even if it is coming from another person.
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I think for me personally with resale platforms to raise point earlier, the way that I interact that I've found really wonderful is like sometimes I do get that buyer's remorse. Like I remember there was a Scanlon Theodore denim dress that I was obsessed with and it sold out in like a blink and I was like, I just loved it. So actually hilariously like probably showing my age here. I signed up for the keywords on ebay so every time one listed I got a notification. I do the same on Depop. Not necessarily brand, but I'll find the style name of something. Do the same on Vestia for like a vintage bag by Louisville that I've always wanted. Like there's just certain terms that like I wait for it to come up at a price that I feel comfortable spending.
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Jill Sandagoji bag for me.
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Yes.
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Yeah, that's pinned. And every time that comes up, I'm ready to shop. I do want to talk about for a minute before we move on from this segment. What do you think this acquisition means for the consumer? Do you think it's better for them?
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I don't think the consumer will know any difference about this. I think that ebay are like, look, don't touch. I would not be at all surprised if that is their strategy. We let the Depop team do their thing. As a total parent company, we now have greater market share. We have the monopoly. We are not here to rebrand Depop to eBay or implement anything. The only thing I would imagine they would be merging more of is probably the PayPal integration, given they own that and you know, maybe some of the back end tech sort of stuff. But I don't think interface wise or interaction wise, branding wise, anything will be changing for the foreseeable future on Depop.
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C
I think it was very deliberate that they said that in the quote as well that you read earlier. It is really important to the consumer that they don't mess with a good thing.
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B
Yeah, absolutely.
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C
For the competitors of ebay and shaking in your boots. Rip, rip.
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A
Biggest one probably being Poshmark out of the UK poshmark. I think there's a real worry for them because they've been emerging alongside Depop. Interestingly as well though, in this like we're going, this is a megadeal. This makes sense for ebay. This opens them up to a new consumer. But Etsy did sell Depop at a loss. So Etsy bought Depop for 1.6 billion USD and sold it for 1.2 billion
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B
USD and they only bought it in 2021, so that long ago. So it's not less than five years.
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A
Yeah, it's not a great board report to have to send up the chain.
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C
It is very interesting. I'm really keen to see how this evolves. I am really keen to see if it does change anything of the consumer. I agree with both of you. I don't think it will. But nonetheless, this is a big, big move for pre loved fashion, the category as a whole.
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A
Yeah, it's inspired me to do a little depop shop, if you will.
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B
Well, next we are sharing our stylish travel guide, but that will be right after a word from today's sponsor. If you're heading outside today to soak up the last of summer, consider this your reminder to be sun safe. Trust us, future you will. Thank you. These days, two in three Aussies will be diagnosed with skin cancer in their lifetime, with the damage starting in just a 15 minutes. So regardless of the weather, be sure to slip, slob, slap, seek and slide and together we can end the trend of skin cancer. Thank you so much to Cancer Council and the Australian government for making this episode of Stylish possible. I feel like this has been a while in the making this particular segment and I'm very excited to get into it because I will be doing some travel this year. So I want to be maxing my points wherever possible.
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C
Honeymoon time?
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A
Yeah, kind of honeymoon maxing, if you will, love.
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B
So it was that time of year when travel plans are being made, which got us thinking it's about time we did a stylish travel guide. Now, traveling can get expensive and exhausting very quickly, but if you have the right advice or recommendations, you'll get the most out of your time overseas. So we asked the wider Shameless team for their best travel hacks and tips and we'll be sharing some of the best ones as well. But to start us off, we're going to focus on what's often the most expensive part of traveling, which is the flights. Now, we spoke to Hayley Jarvis, who's behind the travel Instagram account. All signs point to travel. It's about flight hacks and getting the most out of your points while planning your next trip. Here's what she had to say. Airline points can be incredibly beneficial in allowing for cheaper travel, whether that's domestic trips or something more luxurious like international Business Class, almost anywhere in the world. Thanks to airline partnerships, Qantas and Velocity points can be used across multiple airlines. Qantas can be used for airlines such as Emirates, klm, Oman Air and American Airlines, and Velocity points can be used on partners like Qatar and Singapore Airlines. She said you can buy almost anything and earn points from camping gear to tech Woolworths. Everyday Rewards points can link to Qantas and Coles Flybys can link to Velocity. Both added two supermarket points to one airline point ratio. Both supermarkets often run bonus promotions on selected gift cards, which change weekly, sometimes up to 20 times supermarket points, which equals 10 times airline points. For example, let's say you need to buy a new seventeen hundred dollar iPhone. If you purchase seventeen hundred dollars in Apple gift cards from Kohl's or woolies during a 20 times promotion, you're effectively earning 17,000 airline points for no extra money spent. And if you add those gift cards to your Apple account rather than using them directly at checkout and you purchase through Qantas Shopping, you'll be another 1 point per dollar spent. So you could earn a total of 18,700 points on a purchase you already needed to make. That is a lot of, like, brain power that goes into being a points person. And I always say, I want to be a points person, but it's a lot of effort.
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A
You're a wizard, Hayley.
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C
Yeah, I'm like, serious wizard.
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A
I felt like it was like. And if you carry the one and you divide the three, I'm like, I'm on the journey.
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C
I'm on the journey that's giving year 10 math quiz problem solving.
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B
And I didn't do year 10 maths,
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C
so nor did I.
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A
If April needs 20,000, you literally. What does April need to do?
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C
My brain was like monkey clapping then. Yeah.
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A
I was like, I'm going like, okay. Then I get the gift card and then I use that. I do use Qantas Shopping. I love Qantas Shopping.
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B
I didn't even know what Qantas shopping was.
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A
Oh, guys, Qantas Marketplace. It's great. I use that.
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C
My parents use this.
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A
Yeah. So it's a little like plugin on your web browser. So you just use it and it goes like. It has a Little like eligible to earn. So you can get like five points. One point depends where you're going. When I bought my new iPhone, I used it. I didn't get 18,700 points.
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C
Like Hayley, in the context of points that you actually accrue for flying, that is significantly more. Yeah, yeah, I'm a Virgin Velocity member. I fly Melbourne, Sydney route quite a bit for work. In some cases, I'm literally only getting 5 to 10 status credit points and maybe like a thousand points. So this is significantly more. The main reason you're supposed to be getting points is for flying.
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A
Yeah. And I guess like the most obvious thing is the biggest drive to get points is to get a credit card with the sign up and minimum spend. Or now there's a lot of like get a home loan, you know, through a certain bank and they'll do that as like a sign up bonus. Like I know, for example, when I bought my home I got I think it was like 250,000 velocity points with that home loan. So I was like flying virgin very regularly during that period. But yeah, I feel like otherwise it's like it can feel like rats and mice kind of points if you're not doing the points hacking.
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B
I've seen a lot of TikTok accounts that tell you when these offers are available and it comes up in my algorithm. And Adrian does our grocery shopping. I very rarely go to the grocery
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C
shopping, nor do I, don't worry our
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A
checks, given that he is the cook. You like, come home, you're like, I bought some things. Yeah.
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B
He even buys my period products as well. I go to the supermarket and I send him a photo. I'm like, is this the one we get?
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A
Is this the dish liquid you like?
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C
He needs to do that TikTok trend where he records you messaging, like calling you at the supermarket.
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A
He's like, is it the U by Kotex or is it like no labor only?
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C
I'm a tom Organics girly.
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B
Are you okay? Well, maybe this is a separate segment we can go into later. So there's a lot of TikToks on this. So they always come up in my feed when these gift card things are available. And it's actually quite frequent. So if you're on it and you do need stuff that you would buy gift vouchers for, I think it's worth doing for the points, honestly.
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A
Yeah, it's that prior planning. I mean, it's no incentive for me. I like shop at my little local grain grocer and I love it. There. But I'm like, damn it. They're not like, giving me Qantas points. As I'm like, checking.
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C
They should be for how much you have to pay for things. I know a grocery you're talking about.
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A
Shout out to Lee Ford Cannon. Love you guys.
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C
Lovely.
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A
Right at dawn for you. Your orange juice is the best in Australia.
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C
Okay, so if you're not taking advantage of this points hack, what else can you do when it comes to traveling? What are your traveling tips, girls?
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B
Can I give you one that I discovered recently?
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A
Yes.
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B
So I started using this platform called pay.com and I'm scared that it is going to be found out. Like, I'm. I'm scared, like, I'm onto a good thing. No, no, no. Not like a scam, as in, like, the government are going to find out that they're doing this and they're going to stop it.
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A
Is this the one where your BAS statements you can get the points? Yeah, yeah. Nice. I need.
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B
So it Basically you can do all of your ATO payments and things through this platform, and it's completely legal, but it essentially means you can get all of your credit card points as well as all of your airline points. Because often when you're paying government bodies, you get less points. So it like halves the points or even more when you're paying the ato. Oh, okay. So it just means that you get a bit more out of those payments, which can be hefty at times and it's not something you want to pay for, honestly. It's the tax time. Not good.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Also means doing well, though. So we like.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Pros and cons.
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A
The high octave would say, you want to argue.
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B
So anyway, I use this platform, I'm not going to recommend it to you specifically because I don't know what everyone's circumstances are. And I'd consider that financial advice. And I am certainly not someone to take financial advice from, given that I just mentioned I didn't do year 10 math. So take that with a grain of salt.
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A
I have another travel hack. Sometimes there's like points promotions if you buy points. So, like, for example, I was coming home from Europe. I was going directly into the office the next day. I was like, this is going to be really rough, like. And I knew that I had a massive two weeks at work. I was like, doing three recordings.
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B
Okay, you flew business.
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C
Yeah, I was like, just get to the point, babe.
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A
Well, I'd like to actually justify this. So I bought my points and I bought a flight A business class flight.
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C
There it is. But we all saw the TikTok dog worry. Do you send that to the ato?
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A
No, I'm kidding you thing. Do you know what, Griffin purchase? Here's my five punch because I'm out here being bullied by the other monkeys. No, they're throwing me around
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B
and Kate's in the corner.
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A
It's the stuff. Where's my IKEA monkeys? Why does my IP is stopped calling?
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B
Oh my God.
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A
Do you know what? In the end, I flew business class home from Athens for about three grand and it should have cost about eight. So I won.
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C
My travel hack is more related to pre travel prep because this is where I shine, guys. The type A in me is rife. I love pulling out all the outfits that I want to wear when I'm traveling and I actually put them on a separate rack in my room. And I usually do this about three weeks out from us leaving. What I do is basically group them in beach evening wear every day, like walking outfits. And then I pull out my shoes and I basically just keep looking at it over the next couple of weeks. And then every weekend up until we leave, I pull things out or I put something in depending on what I like or what I don't like or forming the outfit. So I don't try and do it all at once. I do it over like a three week period and I.
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B
Good idea.
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C
Yeah.
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B
I like that. Yeah.
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A
That's amazing. It's so funny because when I was going to Europe, I rang Rae. I was like, I haven't even started packing. It was the day before I left Rae's like coming over and everything she put out, she's like, this would be nice for a Thursday night at a restaurant. This would be good at a beach club. You're going to a beach club? Yes. I was like, wait, are you trying to find a location for each of these? She was like, how many days in Mykonos? So she's like pulling out things. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This level of planning is making me very anxious.
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B
And she'd never get charged for extra luggage.
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C
No, I actually famously, I did once, but it wasn't the clothes, it was the books. I packed four books and I had to leave them at Rome airport because I was over the limit.
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A
It's giving Kindle.
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C
Get a Kindle.
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A
I. I don't have a Kindle. So I'm not coming from an ivory tower.
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C
No, no. You know what? This has been a constant back and forth. I just love a paperback, but I Need a Kindle. I do. I know I do.
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A
We should get each other a Kindle.
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C
Oh, that would be nice. Just to make up for all the mean things we've said about each other on today's episode. Look, I know that feels like it might be in excess and over the top, but I do always get to the holiday and I always wear every outfit. The one thing I will say where I fall short most trips overpacking shoes.
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A
Agree. I am.
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C
So I always overpack like one or two pairs. I've just banned heels now. I do not wear heels when I'm traveling. So I'm just. I've got a flat roll. No heels.
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B
Yeah, I'm usually the same.
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C
So that's my travel hack. Let's talk about some of the wrecks that the girls from the Shameless Media team suggested. So they had quite a few good travel hacks. Quite a few of the team members said to be we of TikTok recommendations while they can be useful. Our managing director Ang said that she found lots of great wrecks on TikTok when she was in Japan. Take them with a grain of salt. Sometimes the wrecks turn out to be overhyped and super crowded. This happens all the time, particularly in Europe.
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B
Yep.
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A
Yes.
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C
I find a good way to test this is actually reverse engineer it and look up in Melbourne, best restaurants in Melbourne and see what comes up. Half the time they're not the best restaurants in Melbourne, so just apply that same mindset when you're doing this in another country. I rarely take wrecks off TikTok now. I'm more of a follow certain creators who I know either live in an area or travel there quite a bit. Lucy Williams, who is one of my favorite UK creators, had one of the best guides to Portugal that I've ever seen. And we went to quite a few places that she recommended in Lisbon and Porto and they were amazing.
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A
Yeah, I do think as well, even if it is great, it's likely to be very busy. Like if everyone's caught on. It's not that it's necessarily not great. And there were also a lot of records for the Google Maps, which I love.
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C
I love a Google Maps pin. Have you done this?
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B
No, I haven't, but I need to.
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A
I'm starting to do it now for places that I love going to, if it's a little wine bar or whatnot. So that when friends like I'm coming to Melbourne, where should I go? I just send them that. So what you can do is like pin little favorites to A city guide and then you can share that city guide. So let's say you know, Rhys just spoken about all these places she loved in Portugal. You literally put them into your Google map. Add, add, add, add. And then you share your list with people. It's fantastic.
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B
Amazing.
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C
I went one step further and I don't think anyone's going to be shocked by this. When we did the Shameless Takes trip in London last year, I was responsible for choosing one of the restaurants and making all the reservations and just coordinating travel time between where we were staying and where we were going.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And I found it really helpful to actually build that by day as well. So it was like on this day we're doing this and because we had such a regimented routine, it was like breakfast, lunch, dinner, proximity to the hotel or proximity to the apartment that we were staying in London. It just really sets up your day and makes you feel like you can also pick places that are in close cluster. I don't know if you guys have this problem sometimes when you're recommended things from people, you pop them all in one of the Google maps or you pop them all in a list and then you realize a lot of them are really far away or they're really hyper centralized to one location.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Which can be quite annoying.
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A
Can I. Yes. And this as well, love. So I like to pre book them because a lot of them will have like a 30 day open window where they like only. Yeah. Massive in the US but even like my favorite restaurant in Rome, you've always got to pre book it. So like I've booked that before I've even booked my com. I'm like el Moro, Mommy's home.
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B
Always with the accent.
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C
Always with the accent. Joe, I want to hear your ex.
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B
Well, I actually asked a friend of mine, Paige Carmichael, who is a content creator but she's also a travel writer and she writes a substack called Unpacking Suitcases. I picked her brain. She knows her shit when it comes to travel and she's always doing long haul travel between Australia and especially the uk. So she sent me a list of her tips. First one was don't buy a whole new wardrobe for colder climates, buy thermals instead. So take your regular clothes from your wardrobe or like whatever you have for winter and just buy the Uniqlo or Marks and Spencer thermals to put under your existing clothes. I loved that tip because I definitely would be buying like winter appropriate stuff. I can still wear that in Melbourne. But if you're not from. Yeah, cold Climate. It doesn't really make sense to have that stuff.
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C
I'd like to get sucked in with a little. I look like a cute little snow bunny.
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A
Yeah. Yes.
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B
A little furry hat.
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C
Zara McDonald. Inspired.
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A
Sure.
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C
Great.
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B
She also said to collect hotel slippers to wear on the plane because your feet and ankles generally swell on the flight. So it's easier than taking your shoes on and off. And you can just throw them in the bin after your flight if you're a bit grossed out by them.
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C
That's a good one for addressing my shoe problem.
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B
Yes. I always have a pair of slippers in my carry on.
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C
I have my Birkenstocks, the clog ones, because I don't like to wear open toe shoes on planes. Okay, those are good. And you can also wear socks with them.
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B
Yes.
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C
But they are quite heavy and chunky to travel with.
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B
Yeah. And then you've kind of got the germs from the airport and like the toilet.
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A
Not if you've got your compression socks on. Not sexy, but very practical.
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C
Always socks on a plain doll. Compression. Oh, you mean the shoes themselves. Have you ever walked over those wipes where they actually disinfect your shoes?
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B
No.
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C
Yeah, they have them in Australia and a couple of other airports, but not at. Oh, Joe's eyes.
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A
She's like, what?
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B
I'm a rouse.
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C
Do I need one of these at my house? Yeah, they disinfect the germs to stop.
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A
She needs, like a full body one so she can wear her outside clothes inside.
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C
Yes. Yeah, I really do.
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B
She also said, as soon as you book your ticket, request an upgrade with points. This is generally much better value than bidding for an upgrade. So that's a really good tip there for points, people. She said, fly off peak for a higher chance at getting an upgrade. She has always been upgraded from economy to business when she's flown on Boxing Day.
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C
I've heard this from a few people that Boxing Day is one of the best days of the year to travel.
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B
Similar to Hayley. Paige also said, before you spend a cent, ask yourself, can I earn points on this? Not many people know that you can earn points online shopping, booking, Airbnbs, and even while you sleep. Because some apps, like, I know, the Qantas wellbeing app, you can literally earn points by sleeping. Well.
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A
Yeah, it used to reward me for walking.
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C
Yeah. Oh, I remember that one.
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A
Redownload the app when I got my new phone.
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C
Yep.
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B
So there's all these ways that you can earn points without even, like, really trying to earn points. But Paige is great for these kinds of teams tips, I also personally recommend the Time Shifter app.
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C
So good. I've used this on work trips when we've had to travel because I am not waking up with jet lag.
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A
Yeah. Do you know what I actually like to do as well that I've started doing when I international travel is I asked ChatGPT for a three day plan prior. So I say, what times should I be going to bed and how long should I be sleeping ahead of getting on the plane? Because I think sometimes you think about, okay, what time is it there? And just the flight, but a few days before. I feel like there's things you can do to kind of like train yourself into the zone.
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B
Well, that's what Time Shifter does.
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A
Oh, I thought it was just the day off.
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B
No, it will tell you like 24 hours before or even longer in some cases. Like this is when you should be asleep. You should wake up this time the morning of your flight. You should have a nap at this time on your flight. You should have caffeine.
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A
Caffeine.
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B
The caffeine is huge because obviously that's going to keep you awake if you've just had a coffee and then you're meant to be having a nap. So it times all of this stuff to get you on the right time zone so that you don't have to upgrade yourself to business like Mads, if
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A
you've got work the next day. I don't know. The champagne in the lounge was pretty nice, guys, and I worked very hard for those points.
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B
Thank you to Hayley and Paige for their contributions and the wider Shameless media team for all their tips as well.
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C
Mads, you actually had a really good one off mic that you've forgotten to share.
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A
I did. I did forget. Thank you for reminding me. It was that you can actually buy lounge access at different international airports. I don't know about local, maybe them too, but I do know that when I was traveling to Greece, I went to, I think it was through Abu Dhabi. I think it cost me like 60 Australian dollars for lounge access. And let me tell you, I got my $60 worth of food and drink. I had the time of my life in there, had a shower, had something to eat, had water, there was napping booths, you name it.
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B
You can also use your amex with certain lounges as well.
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A
Yeah, I don't have one of those, but maybe this is my time to get one.
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C
That's big in the US the amex, access to a lot of the lounges, a lot of the international legs to Europe. It's really common. I don't know if it is as common in Australia locally. Like, I don't think you can do it if you fly, let's say Melbourne to la, because that's technically direct flight. But I have flown through Dubai before and also Qatar. Yes, Qatar. And I know a lot of my friends have done it and they were like, absolutely. Best money spent.
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A
I want to hear other people's tips. DM us@Stylish Pod. I'm sure there's way more than what we've said. I mean, I don't think buying the points is the most revolutionary hack. Sometimes they do. Bonus on top of your buy. That's my tip.
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C
There we go.
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A
That's all for this week's episode of Stylish. Reckon that's a nice place to close it out. Thank you very much for joining us and of course, thank you very much, Joanna Fleming. And I wouldn't say Annika. Joshua Smith, speaking of Rihanna. Joyce, remember, you can drop us an email anytime@style-ishamelessmedia.com or as I said, slide into our DMs over tylishpod. Sure that there will be many more tips to come. Maybe this is the first of many travel.
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C
I hope so.
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A
There is one that I've just thought about, which is this TikTok trend. I don't know if you saw it. I reckon it circulated like two years ago where people were like bribing the cabin crew so people would take like bottles of little wine and snacks or skincare to give to cabin crew, hoping that they would be like, come with me to the left of the plane.
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C
This is why I could never be cabin crew, because I would be. That would be me. I would be cabin.
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A
You're like, I can be bought.
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C
I can be bored.
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A
Champagne is my drink of choice. Okay, well, thank you to all of our shameless media team who contributed, but also to the production team who make this episode possible, Head of podcast, Lizzie Hunt and our senior podcast producer, Kay Emma Perry. You'll hear from Ray and I on Friday. We are talking all things Peptides Peppies. Stay tuned and you'll see the rest of us back here next Wednesday, tbd. Antarctica.
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C
See you then. Yeah, see you guys.
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B
Bye.
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C
This podcast was recorded on Wurundjeri Land.
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B
Always was, always will be Aboriginal land.