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Alyssa
Welcome to Sustain this, a podcast where we discuss mindful consumption, personal style, and the quest for living a more intentional life. I'm Alyssa, a sustainable stylist.
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Christina
And I'm Christina, a shopaholic turned minimalist. Ish.
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Alyssa
And I'm Sina, a color consultant and.
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Christina
Slow fashion style coach.
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Alyssa
Together, we will unpack the nuances of what it really means to be a conscious consumer and find more joy in what we have right now. So grab your tea, your coffee, or whatever floats your boat and join us in the conversation. Let's go. Yay. Yay. Bubble skirts, sheer caping, wallpaper, florals. All of these things could be controversial, but they are some of the top trends for 2025. How do we feel about them? That's what we're going to talk about today.
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Christina
Yes.
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Alyssa
So exciting.
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Christina
I. Yeah, I feel like trends. Trends get a kind of a bad reputation, but at the same time, I'm always curious to know what they are. So Alyssa and I looked at websites like Vogue, Refinery 29, who, what, where, and we wanted to see and kind of round up what the trends for 2025 are, what you may be seeing a lot more of for spring and summer. What has kind of been shown on the Runway. Yeah, let's get into it.
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Alyssa
We're going to. We're going to give our take, too, on, like, whether we would participate or, like, some that we would actually consider buying. I'm always curious to hear thoughts, Christina.
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Christina
Yes. Yes. Whenever I think about buying something, I kind of always try to look at it from a longevity aspect of my wardrobe. So if it is something that's trendy, and I feel like I do like to incorporate a trend every season into my wardrobe, but I always kind of look at it with, this is going to stay in my wardrobe for a long time. Like, I'm really trying not to declutter as much. I don't want to buy something with the idea that I will be decluttering it down the line. So I want it to stay in my wardrobe, basically. Does this trend align with my actual personal style? Do I like it for myself? Do I think it's fun? Do I think it can take my style a little bit to the next level, change things up? Like, there has to be a little bit of you in that trend if you decide to buy it. And that way, I think it has a much greater chance of being something that's not like a flash in the pan, in and out in your wardrobe that ends up, you know, donated to the thrift store the next season. So that's how I always like to look at a trend, and that's how I would consider buying them. And that way they're just not. They don't seem like a waste and kind of get that. That bad reputation. I think trends get a bad reputation partly because there's always something to chase after. Like, it makes you kind of feel a little bit behind. But also, we consume these trends and then throw them away. They're almost like throwaway trends, so.
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Alyssa
Mm.
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Christina
I'm having trouble talking today.
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Alyssa
That's okay. We. We should clarify too. Christina. Yeah. You mentioned sort of the sources where we found our trends, and I think these days it's important to distinguish, like, the TikTok and social media trends, which last are. Are the more micro trends. They last, like a few weeks, versus these, which were coming from sort of the. The top of the fashion, like, world.
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Christina
Yeah.
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Alyssa
Funnel, I guess. Yeah. Not like from a hierarchical. Always find trends really interesting. Same as you. I. I think they're necessary, and I look at them always from, like, that elements of style perspective. Like, less from the. The piece, but more like, what's the shape here? What are they? What's the. The use of color or how are they using texture and all those things. Yeah. I think doing this helps me understand where fashion is, like, what the current moment is. So. And I think that's important. I think I'm not, like, a huge I love trend person. I. I do think it's important to know what's going on just because it can also help you inject a new sense of something or novelty in your closet without necessarily having to shop it. And then when it comes to potentially shopping, I do also love looking from the longevity perspective. Like, you and I have this weird. I think my dad does this too. I have this weird, like, reaction to go against whatever's happening. So if I find that I'm really liking a trend, I usually wait until it's, like, practically done, and then I'll buy into it.
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Christina
I find that too.
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Alyssa
Do you? Yeah. Like, I wait and then it's kind of over, and I'm like, great, I love this. And then I buy it when no one. And that also helps not to not wear something when everyone else is, because I don't. I mean, even if I did buy into a trend during its height, I probably. I don't know that I would wear it that much just because I wouldn't. I don't know. That wouldn't be my first.
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Christina
Yeah. I find. I find that whole. That whole trend cycle Very fascinating, because you almost want. It's kind of like the more you see it, the more it's in your mind, and the more you're. The more likely you are to buy it. Like, it's kind of like repeated exposure.
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Alyssa
Mm.
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Christina
Then you think you had the independent thought of actually thinking of it yourself, but it's because we've seen it subliminally everywhere that it's like, oh, you know what? I actually kind of like that. Or when a trend at first. When you see a trend at first and you hate it, and then by the time it's peaked and kind of like it's at its peak or perhaps on the way down, then you're like, oh, you know what? Maybe let me try this. Like, for example, the dad sneaker. For me, I bought a pair of New Balances a couple of years ago, and I don't know what I was thinking with that, but they're not my treadmill shoes, so I do use them. But it's kind of like that sort of dad core. Jerry Seinfeld, Adam Sandler, Norm. Core was kind of like, it was sort of everywhere, and I was like, you know, I can't stand it. And then I kind of liked it. And then I bought them, and then I realized, you know what? No, these make me look so bottom heavy. I feel like I'm wearing Kleenex boxes. So now they're. Now they're. Now they are my. My treadmill shoe. But the other. The other kind of idea to that was it makes me think about how, you know, personal style is obviously very important. I think it's a really empowering thing to know, to the point where we all kind of want to dress different, but then we also all want to, you know, generalizing here, but, like, we don't want to dress like everybody else. But then there's this pressure or tendency to chase after the trends and then continuously do that, like, keep on doing that to stay fashionable, to signal that you are fashionable. So I find that kind of fascinating and in a little bit opposition of each other, I think it's, you know, like, I don't want to look like everybody else, but this is on trend, so I'm gonna get it. Yeah.
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Alyssa
Well, it's like. It's that sense of belonging, right? And I think humans have struggled with that since the beginning of time, because fashion can do both of those things. It's that expression of identity, but it's also that social cue of like, hey, yes. I'm like, you.
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Christina
Yeah. This is the group I get in.
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Alyssa
This is the group I'm in. This is very. Yeah, fashion. It's cool that it's so multifaceted in that way.
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Christina
Yes. It's complicated status. It's complicated. Okay, so we will get into the trends of 2025. This first one, I don't know how to feel. Bubble skirts. What do you think?
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Alyssa
Okay, bubble skirts. I have to put this little anecdote in because when I think of bubble skirts, I had this friend in high school and she was like, she still is like, so cool and so fashionable. Her sister was like, going to Ryerson, which is a school in Toronto that is like node for fashion and design. Anyway, she was going to Ryerson for design, and her sister made her prom dress. And it was a bubble skirt hem, and it was just so cool. I didn't. I personally didn't like it then. I still don't like it now. It's a silhouette that doesn't appeal to me just from like a silhouette and proportion perspective. Like, I've. I don't. I don't gravitate to exaggerated proportions in any sense. I like more homogeneous proportions. Maybe a little bit of like an oversized versus sleek, but something that is. That draws the eye through. Shape is not something that appeals to me. So I will not be wearing a bubble skirt. I never have. Yeah, like, if I wanted that silhouette, I'd go for like a T length tulle skirt, which I have. You know what I mean? Like, I think that's the. The route that I would take.
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Christina
Yeah. It almost seems like they. They seem. They kind of remind me of the 80s. Like the big. The big, big dresses. Like, 80s movies. Yeah, it reminds me of like an 80s prom dress. So I'm not that old.
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Alyssa
Christina. I did not go to prom in the 80s.
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Christina
No, I. Well, we were born in the 80s, but. But we've watched like, Pretty in Pink and the Breakfast Club and, you know, like I said 90s. That's a great reference.
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Alyssa
No, no, those are 80s. Those are great reference.
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Christina
Yeah, yeah. So that's kind. Reminds me of. And the first time I saw them. So bubble skirts are not new. They were out last summer too, but they were kind of in a mini. At when I first saw them, they were in a mini skirt. So it almost looked like. They almost look like bloomers to me. And then slowly, over time, throughout the summer, I started seeing the silhouette get a little bit longer. I saw a lot of dresses and like those white kind of peasanty skirts. They were. They started to do those with the. With the bubble hem, those I like, but I like them on other people. I don't like it on myself. It's a little bit. It kind of leans a little bohemian. But I do also see if you like sculpture, if you like shape, if you like something a little bit exaggerated and kind of makes you do a double take, I think that they do serve that kind of purpose. I think that's a really cool sort of positive thing that they offer. It's very unusual. Completely different than your. Than your typical maxi skirt or, like a line or a mini skirt. So I think that's something kind of neat and interesting that they offer. But, yeah, no, I will not be participating.
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Alyssa
I can't see you wearing a bubble skirt.
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Christina
No, no, no. Yeah. It's a little, like, too romantic for me compared. Like, you know, compared to what I typically gravitate towards, so. So not for me, but it is for somebody. I like the way it looks, but will not be buying.
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Alyssa
Got it. Check sheer. We have next. I love this one.
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Christina
I love sheer. I think I almost wouldn't even call it a trend. It's been around for the past few years. It comes in and out all the time. I feel like. Like, I feel some iconic photos from the 90s had a sheer element to it. I think sheer is a tool to be used for texture and layering. So I don't think it's a. Like, it's. You know, you'll see it a lot more available in retail and stuff like that, but I feel like it's something that can be worn forever. It's. To me, it's a styling tool, not necessarily a trend.
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Alyssa
Yeah, that's really well said. It's versatile because it's so versatile. You can have sheer in all manner of ways and things and. Yeah, no, I agree. I don't think I have anything to add. That's exactly what I would have said.
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Christina
Yeah, yeah. And I would, like. I have some sheer things. What about the. How do you feel about the sheer skirts? That's kind of like the new way to wear it. Like, I feel like before, I've seen a lot of sheer where let's say you're wearing, like, a full, solid dress, and then it's like a sheer top on over top. But the way that they're styling it now, it's like a little bit more kind of street wear, more Copenhagen kind of vibe. I feel like the Copenhagen girlies were starting. They started this maybe. I don't know. That's where I first saw it. Anyways. I think you're right.
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Alyssa
Like, almost like a lacy with some detail, too.
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Christina
Yeah, Yeah.
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Alyssa
I actually love it with, like, the.
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Christina
Big T shirt over top and, like, chunky boots or something.
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Alyssa
Or a sweater or something. Or a coat. Yeah, I actually love that. But again, like, I. I like sheer. I love my legs. So, like, that's something that I would totally participate in.
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Christina
Yeah.
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Alyssa
Yeah. But that's why this is such a great trend, is that you can kind of manipulate it however you like.
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Christina
Yeah. And I've seen it kind of like, I've seen sheer dresses layered over, full pants, full outfits, shorts in the summer. I think it looks. I think it's cool. I think it just adds a little bit of something extra. If you like to dress in layers and want to add something that. Again, to me, it's all about, like, the double take. It's almost like. Oh, wait, what do you mean? You what? Let me. Let me look at that again. I love that kind of styling, and I think sheer is such a nice tool for that. So. Yeah, I have a few sheer things. I don't know if I need anything more. I feel like if you have a couple of things, then it serves its purpose. And one thing I wanted to say, too, is, like, I feel like a lot of these trends are very thriftable. Very kind of. Yeah, diyable. That's. And that's kind of like one of my favorite ways to try to participate in a trend, because things always come back around. So is there an iteration that you could find secondhand if you want to incorporate it into your style and even experiment with it a little bit? It doesn't have to be necessarily expensive.
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Alyssa
No, exactly. I think almost. I think every trend is thriftable now. Just some more so than others, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, That's a great point, too. Pinstripe.
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Christina
Yeah, pinstripes.
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Alyssa
I. I love pinstripes.
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Christina
I do, too.
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Alyssa
I love them. They're so, like, corporate financy. And I feel like that's still a world that I. I reference a lot in my daily looks. I have a still. That pair of. It was part of a suit I had. My very first suit was a pinstripe suit. I probably mentioned this, like, a thousand times, but it was. We bought it when my cousin got married. I feel like maybe she got married in, like, 2001. Ish. And I. I didn't want to wear a dress to her wedding. I insisted on wearing a suit. So my mom went to. We went to this, like, Canadian store, Tristan still around today.
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Christina
Nice.
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Alyssa
And we bought this suit and it's like it was a proper pinstripe. Okay. Like, if you're gonna do pinstripe like that, it should be like a proper stitching, you know what I mean? Not like, I don't like pinstripes that are like the painted on or whatever.
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Christina
Okay, got it.
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Alyssa
Or you know what I mean? Like, just like more like a graphic. Like, to me, if you're going to do a pinstripe and you want it to have that longevity, you know, feature, then I think get it where it's like actually sewn in.
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Christina
Yeah. Do you still have it?
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Alyssa
Yeah, I have. So I let go of the blazer.
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Christina
There you go. You're on trend.
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Alyssa
I know, right? Like, this is like how old? 2001. It's like 20. 20 something year old piece. So it's vintage now. Oh, gosh.
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Christina
Wow.
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Alyssa
But yeah, I kept the jacket for the longest time, but like, I'm not really. I'm realizing I'm not like a huge, huge blazer person. And it was so beautiful. I think it went to like a, maybe like a dress for success or something. Like, definitely someone else confused it. Yeah. But I still have the, the trousers and they're like this beautiful high waist, sort of wide leg, but a flared wide leg. So the tailoring is like bananas. There's a cuff at the bottom. I don't know if I have a picture. The only thing is there's no pockets, which is frustrating. But I should probably just get those added anyway. Yeah, I still have them. I still wear them. I just think probably like, yeah, one of the best pieces I own.
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Christina
Yeah, I remember pinstripes. I had a lot of pinstripe stuff in like 16, 20, 17. I feel like Aritzia. When I was like deep in my Aritzia addiction, they were doing tons of pinstripe and I, I really like it. Sometimes the striping it, sometimes it can feel a little baseball outfit to me. Baseball uniform, like in certain colors and stuff like that. But the way I'm seeing it this year, I'm seeing a lot of blue and navy, which is kind of another color that's I feel like is trending a little bit. And it's a lot of mix, mixing up the stripes. So like you might have a pinstripe pant on and then a different pattern, like a different color, different thickness, different weight of the pinstripe shirt. And then you do like the pinstripe, the matching pinstripe suit over top or something like that. So it's kind of like stripe on stripe on stripe. Which I think is really cool and really interesting. But I find it funny. I always find it funny that something so classic and so timeless is a trend. Like, you know, for fall 2024, it was suede. Yeah, Suede is for fall. You know what I mean? It's for the season. So I just. I. That spin always kind of makes me laugh because.
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Alyssa
Totally.
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Christina
I don't know. What do you mean? Yeah, what do you mean?
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Alyssa
Yeah, that's a great. What do you mean?
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Christina
It's not trendy? It's. To me, it's something that's timeless. I think what's trendy is maybe the way it's being styled and just the fact that it's being pushed more. It's going to be pushed more in retail. You're going to see it more as an option to buy. But if you have. You know, this is something that I think many of us have in our wardrobes already. So there you go. You're on trend.
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Alyssa
This is like my. Yeah. Like, when I do my shop your closet for trends video, like, half of the time, I have to. Like, half the time, it's just me laughing at the wording of a trend.
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Christina
It's like, yeah, stop, stop.
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Alyssa
Move on. Next. That's. That's a. Wait. Can I ask, how did you style the pinstripes before, when you were wearing them?
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Christina
I had a pinstripe suit. I had, like, a blue pinstripe suit. So I had a blazer and the blazer and pants. And then I would just wear, like, a tank top with it and sneakers. I also had this, like, pinstripe. It's in my very. One of my very first YouTube videos, which is still up, which is an Aritzia haul. It's like a. It was a. It's like a. You know, those, like, long duster coats. Those, like, long duster jackets. But it's not meant for outdoor. It's like, for indoor. You know, like, you actually. Actually wear it as a pretty outfit.
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Alyssa
Yes.
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Christina
Yeah. Yeah. Kind of very like Hugh Hefner sort of like, it felt like a bath, like a. Like a house coat. Almost structured. It was a little more flowy. A little more flowy. Yeah. It was like a viscose, polyester kind of vibe. So, like, a little less. A little more drape. I do not own that anymore. But I feel like, honestly, if I had it, it would still work like that. All of those things would. Would be kind of like, you know, you could definitely. It would definitely work today in the way I've seen. I've seen things styled, so. And I find it interesting because Pinstripe. Okay, so that was, like, 2016, 2017. So, you know, we talk about. Is that the decade, I guess, that we're pulling inspiration from now? You know, like the 2010s, as opposed to the 80s, 90s, 70s, you know?
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Alyssa
Yeah, I think so. Definitely freaks me out 100%.
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Christina
It's not that long ago, you know, it's like, less than 10 years ago that we're recycling trends from now. I find that interesting.
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Alyssa
Yeah, me too. Me too. I feel like that could be a whole other discussion that might require some more research in terms of designers drawing reference from more recent archives, especially with all of the switches and the creative directors and, like, how they approach their first collection is always really interesting. Like, which ones? Like, who's pulling from, like, you know, the original sort of designer Runway looks. But anyway, that's like, a whole other conversation. Can we skip down one, Christina? Because this whole, like, 2010s, it brings me to peep toes, which I've seen a few.
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Christina
I have not seen this, so let's talk about it. Tell me about it.
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Alyssa
I saw. I feel like I saw it on the who, what, where, okay list.
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Christina
I want to see it.
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Alyssa
Peep toes. And I thought, this is, like, you're so. This is why you're so good at that. You're like, nope, I must see this.
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Christina
Oh, yeah. Wow. Do you see it? Okay.
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Alyssa
And I even saw it. This isn't the first time I saw it listed on a trend. I also saw it. I want to say did. I don't. Gosh. Mandy from Old Loser in Brooklyn.
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Christina
Oh, yeah.
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Alyssa
I feel like she might have mentioned them at one point, but please don't quote me on that. I could be wrong.
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Christina
But okay, so we got, like, Kate Alaia, Acne Studios.
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Alyssa
Yeah.
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Christina
All the houses are doing it. Saint Laurent.
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Alyssa
Yeah, the classic peep toe. I mean, some are. Some are different. Some have, like, a more architectural detail. Like, Giambattista Valley has, like, the slingback with it almost looks like a shower cap and platform. So. But, like, if you look at Mew Mew, some of their peep toes could have been pulled directly from, like, BCBG 2013. And that's not a slight to Mew Mew. I think the way they were styled is phenomenal at Miu Miu, you know, with, like, the half sock. And I just think that's so cool. I actually like the look of a peep toe, but I don't know if it's just me or, like, my toes are really long, like, admirably long, and they're just uncomfortable. I just. I can't physically wear them.
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Christina
I think I would just feel a little too, like, Pleasantville in it, you know, it's very, like, 50s, early 60s, I guess, you know? Yeah. Like a trad wife vibe.
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Alyssa
Yeah. And that's, like.
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Christina
That's what I associate it with it. So I think that's another kind of point, too, when it comes to, like, what you decide that you feel like you like, especially on first glance, like, what's your associate? What. What do you think of as soon as you see it, what's your association with it?
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Alyssa
Great point.
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Christina
And it's just like, that's kind of like the relationship that you have to it. That's how you've seen it. That's how you grew up. And, you know, I don't see the peep toe, especially when it's a heel. It feels kind of like, yeah, very trad wife. Very 50s to me. But then I'm looking at these really cool, like, Tory Burch. They're pointed sling backs with, like, a little bit of hardware on the actual, like, through the peep toe itself. I think that is cool. That's cool. So there's, like, kind of new, modern takes on it, which I think is interesting. You know, I think we. We use. You can use shoes as a tool. I talk a lot about big, slim skin, which is a concept of dressing, like, proportionally that Amy Smilovic talks about, the founder of tibi. So your shoes can often act as a slim factor or a skin factor. They can also be big. But I feel like these peep toes are, like, a way that you can use slim and skin. The way I'm seeing it.
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Alyssa
Mm.
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Christina
I'm not seeing a lot of, like, chunky ones or anything, but showing a little bit of skin. Showing a little bit of the foot just, like, adds a bit of breathing room to a lot of outfits. So I think you can use it as a tool that way. If you find yourself gravitating towards it.
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Alyssa
That's a great point.
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Christina
I'm also seeing it as a lot of slides, just kind of like a slipper.
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Alyssa
Like a mule.
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Christina
Yeah. Yeah. I think that's kind of fun.
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Alyssa
That's interesting. And that's a new take on them, for sure, compared to what we saw.
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Christina
Yeah.
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Alyssa
Okay. Colors.
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Christina
Yes.
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Alyssa
New neutrals.
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Christina
The trending color. I just don't get how colors are a trend. I don't know. Like, I get it, but I don't get It. I don't. You know.
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Alyssa
Yeah, you're right. I do feel like colors are kind of a reflection of the moment. But as. As you said, I also don't get it because, like, a color is so subjective to the wearer, so. Exactly.
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Christina
And just like, how, you know, burgundy was trending in fall, 2024, but, like, burgundy is. Is a kind of a color of fall. Like, it comes literally every year, but one year they call it cherry cola, and then they call it burgundy, and then they call it cherry Bordeaux. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Alyssa
So, yeah, yeah, I do like the palette. Sorry.
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Christina
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I. The one thing I think it's kind of interesting is, you know, every spring and summer, you're always going to see pastels. Like, one of the trending colors is kind of that millennial pink, that very desaturated pastel pink. Like, obviously you're going to see that in spring. But I find this new. This color palette that's trending now is a little bit more. I think it's a bit more autumnal. What do you think?
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Alyssa
I think so, too. Yeah. Because it's like the olives, the mocha browns, the mustardy, like these very earthy. Yeah, earthy tones. They make me think. And I wonder, because I think she does have such a huge influence and we, you know, you just mentioned her. Amy Smilovic. Like, it reminds me, I. I don't know Tibby's concepts well enough, but is it the ring two on the color wheel or the one where it's like those non neutral neutrals?
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Christina
Yes, that's so kind of the palette that I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah. So if. If you guys haven't heard of the Tibby color wheel, so I made a whole video about it kind of breaking it down that's on my YouTube channel. But basically it's a color wheel where black is in the middle. That's your ring one. Ring two are your true neutral. So it's not a debate on the color that you're seeing. So it's like a true classic red, or. Sorry, a true classic navy. True classic brown, gray, white, even. And then ring three is kind of like your ish colors. So there might be a debate between what you see and what I see. So it might be greenish red, ish, orangish. And then ring 4 is like your true saturated tones. And pastels also live in that. In that ring. But it's not a debate that seeing, like, mint green versus olivey mint green. You know what I mean?
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Alyssa
Moss green.
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Christina
Moss, yeah. Yeah, Slate blue. Exactly. So, yeah. Yeah. So if we're talking in Tibby color wheel standards, as you say. Yeah, it's like the True Ring 2 is kind of definitely what we're seeing. And since this is a podcast form, guys, I can leave a link to an image of the color wheel so you know what we're talking about. And if you want to watch my video, then, yeah, we'll leave it there, too.
- [27:04]
Alyssa
We'll link that there, too.
- [27:07]
Christina
But I like. I like these colors. I'm super into the dark mocha brown, kind of like cappuccino coffee brown, and I like these deeper olives, but I think it's because I like those colors anyway, and I could wear those colors. Like, I would wear those either way. You know, I like that they're opening.
- [27:28]
Alyssa
Up the avenues for people to think about pairing the colors that they do have in their closet in a more interesting way with other colors that are not black or white. So it's nice that these are going to be and are already more readily available on the market. And I hope that seeing more of these colors merchandised in these different ways, styled in these different ways, I hope it. I hope it opens up the opportunity that. That people can actually get more use out of the colors already in their closet. Like, instead of pairing a pink with, we always think of, like, okay, like, I have this one bright top, so I'm going to pair it with black. But oftentimes.
- [28:11]
Christina
Or white or.
- [28:12]
Alyssa
Yeah, or white or whatever, it's just not. It's not the greatest pairing. And I mean, it can be, but we have so many more options available to us. And.
- [28:23]
Christina
Yeah, Yeah, I think. And I think if you're going to participate in a trend, I feel like sometimes the colors. Even though I just shat all over the idea of having colors being trends, I feel like if you wanted to, colors are probably the easiest way to participate in the trend because you can kind of get your version of it. And it's so easily thriftable, the fact that these are so neutral and classic. Like, it's very, very easy to find those types of things. And so it's like, okay, if I'm used to always wearing black, then maybe I'll try a brown top or, you know, a navy or. Yeah, like, and just kind of changing up the. Changing up the layers and the combinations that way. I think it's so easy and such as low barrier to entry. I think it's one of the easiest ways to be creative in your styling. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
- [29:11]
Alyssa
Well, Said this next one makes me laugh.
- [29:14]
Christina
Okay, go.
- [29:15]
Alyssa
Well, caping, I mean, I like capes. I think they're so cool. But it's me too.
- [29:20]
Christina
I think they're cool.
- [29:21]
Alyssa
I think they're so great. Like, it's such a. Such a cool silhouette. It's very chic. It feels the way it's being styled. I mean, a lot of it is being integrated into tops and jackets. So it's. It's almost like you have to buy the whole piece. But I'm just like, like, just. Just take a scarf or a sweater and literally just tie it around. Like, I'm sorry, I can't. That's why I can't. With this one, I'm like, what? But I guess you're gonna. You know, it's more. It's like a technique. Like, it's the drapiness again. It's the silhouette that's being created. So it's very cool. And I'm very curious to see if this trend is something that stands the test of time, that will always feel cool and fresh, or if it will be such a visible reference, like. Like, oh, caping. Okay. I remember 20. 2024. Like, that is very 2024. Like, the peep toe. Like, you know, like, we can kind of, at least in our era. Or the pinstripes, like, we can be like, yep, 2002, 2003. Like, 2014, 2015. Like, will this version of caping become that?
- [30:39]
Christina
Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to say. I'm. I'm seeing it in a lot of very classic ways. As you say, almost straight, as if, like, as if you're just wearing a scarf. And then I'm seeing it in very kind of stunning, show stopping kind of ways, like on. On the back of dresses. So it's like it. The. You know, the wind kind of carries you along, and it makes a huge statement. So there's. There's different ways that I'm seeing it. I like it, but it's beautiful. It is beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. But it's almost. Yeah. If I'm gonna try it, I'm just gonna wear scarves.
- [31:15]
Alyssa
I mean, do it. And then if you. Then it's like, okay, then I can maybe buy a piece where it's incorporated, but I also feel like it's not as versatile that way.
- [31:24]
Christina
Right.
- [31:25]
Alyssa
Like, yeah, then you have to wear that piece.
- [31:28]
Christina
You know, I think it's a. I like it in the sense of, like, if it's something that you want to participate in. I think, again, what it comes back down to, for me is like, what is this doing in my wardrobe that I don't already have? And that I feel like I want to kind of take it to the next level. And like, in that sense, I'm thinking about what shape can this create? What texture does this offer? Like, how is this different than all the other basics? And, you know, just the same. The same thing that I have in my closet, you know, like, how is this sort of changing it up for me? Yeah, yeah.
- [32:04]
Alyssa
The shape is a big one.
- [32:05]
Christina
Yeah. Florals for spring. Groundbreaking.
- [32:10]
Alyssa
My eyes are. For those of you who are listening, my eyes just rolled all the way to the back.
- [32:18]
Christina
Every year, every time.
- [32:21]
Alyssa
But of course, it's like this. This year it was like chintz or wallpaper florals, which is cool. It's a cool take.
- [32:28]
Christina
It's giving couch core. It's giving Nonna's couch covered in plastic. I don't know.
- [32:33]
Alyssa
I can't do it 100%. Or like the curtains, Like, I love that in a wallpaper, I'm not gonna like. I love that for home decor. I think it's beautiful. I like seeing in a space where the context is greater and it adds personality that way. But I'm also not like a floral person in.
- [32:58]
Christina
No, I'm not in. In any way, shape or form.
- [33:01]
Alyssa
Oh, okay.
- [33:02]
Christina
No, okay. And I just don't like patterns. Is kind of what I decided. I mean, besides, like a stripe, especially a floral pattern. So whether it be a small floral pattern or a large floral pattern. And like the floral patterns this year, like wallpaper florals. So picture large, kind of busy splatter kind of patterns. Just not. Not for me. I think if you are a bit more maximalist or really want to lean into the almost like femininity of it, I think it can be beautiful. But it's definitely not for me.
- [33:37]
Alyssa
Same. I think it's important to identify your sort of pattern preference if you have one at all. I only recently realized, and I guess people who study kibe or like all of very in depth bone structure analysis of all this, or probably would be like, I could have told you that, Alyssa, but I only just realized that, like, if I'm gonna wear a print or a pattern, it's gotta be more angular and geometric. Like the most organic and soft looking pattern that I can wear is like a. Like a leopard. Or I have that kind of black and white cow print skirt. Or if it is a floral, it's almost gotta be like a very geometricy interpretation of a floral. Like you can't.
- [34:24]
Christina
More bold or like a single.
- [34:27]
Alyssa
Yeah. Like more. More lines versus. Yeah. Or like one sort of thing, like giant. One flower. And that's the focal point or something. Yeah. So I don't. Yeah. So I probably won't be participating in this one. But it's a shame because I've tried to make florals, particularly like, this work on me, and it just. It never does.
- [34:50]
Christina
Yeah.
- [34:50]
Alyssa
So I think if I were to. Oh, go ahead.
- [34:53]
Christina
Oh, no, go ahead. Sorry.
- [34:54]
Alyssa
No, I was just gonna say a way that I would participate in this trend would be, for example, like, I would maybe find a fabric that I really like and frame it and put it on my wall.
- [35:05]
Christina
Take it to your home decor. I like that.
- [35:07]
Alyssa
Yeah, take it to home decor. You. Sorry, what were you gonna say?
- [35:10]
Christina
Well, it reminds me of. There's like a. I have a photo of me back in, like, my early Instagram days of this dress that I got from zara in, like, 20. Again, 2016, 17. That is. It's a floral pattern, and it's kind of like a bohemian dress. So I'm like, again, are we. Are we hailing back to the 2010s? Like the 2015 16, 17s of, like, what was trending then? And then just taking the. And then kind of like just doing a bit of a different take on it. So now, because I've seen these are all trends that I participated in 10 years ago.
- [35:45]
Alyssa
Right.
- [35:45]
Christina
Almost 10 years ago. And now they're back again, just slightly different.
- [35:48]
Alyssa
So.
- [35:48]
Christina
So that I just find it kind of interesting. But this. This dress, this outfit that I was wearing, the pattern, the floral pattern was much smaller, maybe a bit more of like, kind of like a rouge. You know, the brand rouge. Like, sort of like a French. That French tiny pattern.
- [36:03]
Alyssa
Yes.
- [36:03]
Christina
But now, you know, and now in 2025, it's the big. The big wallpaper, flowers. So.
- [36:10]
Alyssa
Yeah, who knows?
- [36:13]
Christina
Identifying the trends and the trends.
- [36:15]
Alyssa
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I. I saw. I saw this referenced a few times, but also I'm just seeing it here in Milan, and that's a lot of bag charms and hyper personalization of bags. So, like, keychains, all of all kinds. Little. I don't know anything, really. Even if the person is wearing, like, a super sleek outfit, their bags, like, got tons of stuff on it, so it's kind of neat. I like that. I love this. I think it's adorable.
- [36:49]
Christina
Yeah, I like it. I like it on other people. I don't like it on me because I just. I. I know it'll get caught on something or. I just. I don't. I don't know if I like clutter on my bags. It feels cluttered to me. But again, like, I love it on other people. I really see, like, oh, when I see that, I'm like, oh, they're cool. Like, that's a cool person. That's. She. That's fun. They're fun, you know, so. But it's just something that I don't think I would do myself.
- [37:14]
Alyssa
Okay.
- [37:14]
Christina
I've never been like that. I've never had charms on my phone.
- [37:17]
Alyssa
Or like, okay, yeah.
- [37:18]
Christina
Hanging in my car, like on the. On or dash or. You know what I mean? I just don't like tchotchkes and trinkets. I've never been that type in home decor. Nothing. So, like, it just doesn't make sense for me. It doesn't feel natural to, like, throw it on. On my bags and stuff.
- [37:35]
Alyssa
Yeah, I feel like. Yeah, you're like. Well, that kind of also works with, like, your whole aesthetic. Right? Like, it's the minimalist, ish, clean, like forced. Because also, I think that's such a cool reflection of your personality. Right. Like, it's very straightforward. It's straight to the point. And it's like, this is the best bag. This is going to function.
- [37:53]
Christina
Very David Lynch.
- [37:54]
Alyssa
No, but do you know what I mean?
- [37:55]
Christina
Like, yeah, yeah.
- [37:56]
Alyssa
Which I think is a good thing. No, I think it's. I think that's such a good thing. I. This is definitely something I would participate in. I. I actually had two bag charms, I want to say maybe in 2009, 2010. I bought them and I only. Only gave them away, like, two years ago, I think I tried to sell them. They were these beautiful, like, leather metallic long fringes. And I got them. Yeah, they were handcrafted from this really great leather workshop in Savannah.
- [38:37]
Christina
Georgia.
- [38:38]
Alyssa
Is it Savannah? I think so, yeah. Like a really cool shop that we stumbled upon back then. And I added them to my purses and I wore them, but I think they were too bohemian, and I never felt quite right about them. But I loved the concept. So I like that this trend is happening now because I'm seeing it done in all different ways. There's a little bit more freedom with these charms. Like, you can have some with your name. You can have a little fuzzy animal. You can have just a random keychain.
- [39:10]
Christina
A little mini bag on your bag.
- [39:12]
Alyssa
Yes, a little. Which seems ridiculous when you say that, but I think it's great.
- [39:17]
Christina
I think if you remember the micro Mini bags that were trending a couple years ago. So if you still have one of those and, like, put it on your big bag now.
- [39:25]
Alyssa
I love that. Yes. What a great, like, repurpose. What a great shop. Your closet moment. But yeah, I. I would definitely participate that. Especially as I'm someone who doesn't even like bags in the first place. I don't have a lot of bags. So this, I think, is a great way to provide that. Provide that variance and variety without buying a new bag.
- [39:51]
Christina
Yeah, that's fun.
- [39:52]
Alyssa
And. And the personalization is fun.
- [39:54]
Christina
Yes. Yeah.
- [39:55]
Alyssa
Yeah.
- [39:56]
Christina
Cool. Well, then I want to see the Loewe.
- [39:59]
Alyssa
I actually went. I went in and I looked at their charms.
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Christina
Oh, did you?
- [40:04]
Alyssa
So cute.
- [40:05]
Christina
Yeah, they got some funny kind of like, quirky stuff, like little frogs and.
- [40:09]
Alyssa
And they're doing cute little, like, animals. So I think I was. I was contemplating that, but I also had to buy a new laptop, so it's probably.
- [40:18]
Christina
Yeah, that's just not happening unless I accessory of all.
- [40:22]
Alyssa
100%. 100%. So, yeah, we have one more. Christina, you found this one. Can you tell us about it?
- [40:28]
Christina
Yeah. They're calling it the power leg. How do I explain this? It's pants, but it's shorts, but it's a skirt all in one.
- [40:40]
Alyssa
That was perfect. I completely understand what you're saying.
- [40:45]
Christina
So I guess this is continuing the trend of hybrid clothing, like the totem scarf coat that has been kind of really cool and trending over the past few years. So we took it away from coats. Now we're bringing it down to the pants. And I. Yeah, I feel like this could be a diy, so. So, you know, you can cut off the leg of one of your trousers and make short pants, pant shorts or. I have been seeing a lot of styling where, you know, not necessarily having to go out and buy a pair of hybrid pants, but people styling skirts over pants or like a sheer dress over, like, board shorts, long shorts, stuff like that. So I feel like there's ways that you can. Can play around with your layering here and not necessarily having to purchase a piece of clothing. Like, if you want to buy into that, I feel like that's definitely something like, you know, like the mesh flats of 2023, 2024, maybe the hybrid pants are the thing of 2025 sort of thing.
- [41:46]
Alyssa
Yeah. Have you seen anyone online wearing these? Like, I, I completely oblivious to this.
- [41:51]
Christina
I have seen it, but it's more like, definitely people like, definitely creators that are more avant garde in their styling. A little bit More adventurous, Maximalist, I think. And I love it. I think it looks really, really cool. I'm a big fan. I think it's very interesting, but not for me. Like, where are we wearing this? You know, besides like New York Fashion Week or something? Can you wear a. Can you wear a missing leg to the office? I don't know.
- [42:18]
Alyssa
I don't know what to say. I have nothing to add. I think that last bit summed it up. I think, like, also the. The one example was there's like a. A trouser and a slit cut open all the way up.
- [42:32]
Christina
Oh, okay. So it's more of like a skirt almost. Like, it's like you have pants, but it's like a flowy. Like a skirt almost.
- [42:40]
Alyssa
Yeah. And like the whole leg is exposed.
- [42:42]
Christina
Yeah. Yeah.
- [42:43]
Alyssa
But it's from this, like, giant kind of well cut slip in the leg.
- [42:49]
Christina
I think that's cool.
- [42:51]
Alyssa
It's very interesting. I wonder, okay, when I see trends like this, I wonder, is this okay? And I'm not trying to knock. I'm just trying to, like, understand the thought process. Is, Is this kind of like a lazy. Like, they took one idea and we're like, oh, like you said, it worked for totem scarf coat. So let's just try it here. And like, this is that interpretation. Like, I. I don't know. I just. Sometimes I just. I want to be in the room.
- [43:20]
Christina
Where, like, when they're in the boardroom.
- [43:22]
Alyssa
Going through that creative process and be like, yes, this is a great idea. I don't know.
- [43:29]
Christina
It's like, have you seen that episode of the Simpsons with Malibu Stacy where it's like, we'll stay up all night to, like, create something new for her, and then they just give her a new hat and call it the Malibu Stacy with the hat. But she's got a new hat.
- [43:42]
Alyssa
Okay. No. Oh, that sounds funny, though. Yeah, that sounds like. Okay, that's. I think that was a pretty solid roundup.
- [43:52]
Christina
Yeah, I think so too. So we'll leave, like, links down below. If you guys want to check out some of the Vogue articles and the who.
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Alyssa
What?
- [44:00]
Christina
Where and the refinery 29s. Just to. If you want to take a peek and see visually what it is that we were talking about, what's trending. Let us know in the comments what you might be interested in for the season, what kind of speaks to you and what you would add to your wardrobe versus what you would skip over. I think that's always an interesting conversation. Yeah. Make sure you, like, subscribe. And we'll see you next week. Thanks for listening. Bye.
- [44:24]
Alyssa
Thanks for listening. Bye. Thank you so much for joining in our conversation this week. If you're enjoying the show, we'd love.
- [44:31]
Christina
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- [44:33]
Alyssa
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Christina
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Alyssa
We hope you join us again next Tuesday where we'll talk about so much more than clothes. Ciao.