In this very special episode, Alexandra Paul returns to the podcast for a powerful, and at times difficult, conversation. For those of you new here, you may know her from Baywatch or some of the iconic films she's appeared in. Longtime listeners already know her for her decades of activism, often stepping into spaces most people would never consider.

Recently, she made headlines after being arrested during an animal rights operation at a breeding facility in Wisconsin, where activists entered the property and removed dogs being used for research, bringing the issue into the national spotlight.

Alexandra walks us through the decision-making process that led her there, the realities of what these animals endure, and the risks that come with intervening. The discussion raises big questions about legality and morality, and what it means when they don't align.

Grounded, candid, and at moments uncomfortable, this episode offers a closer look at conviction in practice and the many forms meaningful action can take.

What we discuss:

What was happening to the beagles at Ridglan Farms and why beagles are commonly used in animal testing.
How animal testing is actually holding scientific progress back.
Alexandra's detailed account of the day of the rescue.
The planning, logistics, and internal mechanics of a rescue of this scale.
Why Alexandra chose this form of direct action, why this specific case, and how she felt leading up to the rescue.
Alexandra's experience with incarceration.
What you can do right now to be part of the change.
Her recommendations for maintaining resilience and longevity in activism.