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Episode 344

Sat Mar 21 2026

On a cold March evening in 2023, police in Englewood, Colorado responded to a 911 call from 81-year-old Reginald Maclaren. Inside his upscale apartment, they uncovered a scene so brutal, it would briefly dominate headlines before vanishing just as...

Summary

Sword and Scale Episode 344 Summary

Date: March 21, 2026
Theme: The calm brutality of family annihilation and isolation – The McLaren Double Murder

Episode Overview

Sword and Scale’s 344th episode delves into the chilling case of Reginald McLaren, an 81-year-old man from Englewood, Colorado, who called 911 to report the murder of his wife and daughter in March 2023. What unfolds is an unnerving exploration of motive, premeditation, community isolation, and the lies we tell ourselves to excuse the unthinkable. Using raw 911 calls, police bodycam audio, and interview snippets, the episode gives a thorough look at the investigation, confession, and heartbreaking aftermath of what the media dubbed the “Trash Can Murders.”

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Discovery (01:06–12:21)

911 Call: Reginald McLaren calls police, claiming to have found his wife and daughter murdered in their luxury apartment.
- Quote: “I found my daughter and my wife. Somebody killed them in the apartment. They have been murdered.” – Reginald McLaren [01:06]
Scene: Police arrive to find a quiet, orderly apartment with two large roller trash cans in the living room, each containing the body of a woman (Bethany, 70, and Ruth, 35), the victims crammed headfirst, arms and legs bent, partially covered in towels and surrounded by blood.
Immediate Clues: Signs of a cleanup attempt – blood in a utility closet and sink, hair and blood on an axe and hand saw, and the apartment otherwise abnormally tidy.

The Investigation & Reginald’s Demeanor (12:21–26:57)

Reginald’s Behavior: Described as “frail and hunched,” Reginald is calm but dazed, expressing chest pain. He is taken for a medical evaluation; an officer is assigned to guard him due to fears raised about “gang-banging nephews.”
Canvassing Neighbors:
- Neighbors consistently describe the family as quiet, friendly, and reclusive, mostly noting the smell of food from their open door.
- None recall disturbances, but a key neighbor notes seeing Reginald leave and return around the same time he claimed to discover the bodies, casting doubt on his timeline.
  - “I went to the liquor store around, like, three or four, and he was leaving. He locked his apartment and was walking to his car.” – Neighbor [15:30]
Timeline Inconsistencies: Reginald reports passing out for hours before contacting property management and then 911. Voicemails and calls sound oddly rehearsed.

Gathering Evidence (29:27–37:04)

Forensic Breakthroughs:
- Officers investigate the apartment’s trash system and Reginald’s car for traces of body disposal plans.
- Doorbell and security camera footage along with neighbor testimonies indicate Reginald alone wheeled the trash cans to the apartment after purchasing them.
- Officers trace receipts and surveillance from Home Depot and Harbor Freight, confirming Reginald’s cash purchases of the murder weapons and trash cans on March 9, days before the crime.

The Confession (37:04–43:28)

In the Hospital: Reginald confesses to his doctor in front of an officer’s bodycam that he killed his wife and daughter.
- Quote:
  - “I didn’t want to see my family on the street… I just can’t because I see people on the road and you know, homeless and this. That’s a miserable situation... I also want to die in.” – Reginald McLaren [37:44]
  - “So you… you killed them? Both of them.” — Doctor
  - “Uhhuh.” — Reginald [39:18]
Motive Claimed: Out of a declared fear for homelessness after losing his security job and facing eviction, he says he acted to spare his disabled daughter and wife from hardship. Expresses he began planning about 10 days prior.
Investigation’s Findings: The explanation is doubted; police find significant bank balances (~$11,000), and no eviction notice or evidence of imminent homelessness. Reginald’s motive appears fabricated.

The Aftermath & Community Response (43:28–51:53)

Isolation in Death: Neither the police nor the wider Nepali-Indian community could initially locate relatives for Bethany (Pavitra) and Ruth. Ultimately, volunteers from the Colorado Nepal Alliance work to piece together their history so the women won’t be buried as “unclaimed.”
Reconstruction of Lives:
- Bethany (Pavitra) was a nurse and veteran, having moved from India with Reginald after meeting through a newspaper.
- Ruth, their daughter, had cerebral palsy and required full-time care.
Grief and Legacy:
- The only obituary is a Psalm. Their existence is largely reconstructed by neighbors’ memories, unclaimed mail, and the advocacy of strangers.
- “There had to be someone who knew and loved these women.” – Narrator [49:07]

The Trial & Sentencing (51:53–59:01)

Legal Outcome:
- Reginald is charged with two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of tampering with a deceased human body, and false reporting.
- The trial is marked by an empty gallery—no family attends.
- Ann Hines (Colorado Nepal Alliance) is present throughout, both at the burial and the trial, reading a letter from Bethany’s friend at sentencing.
Guilty Verdict:
- Jury convicts on all charges after evidence of “preplanning,” cash purchases, and conflicting stories.
Sentence:
- Two consecutive life sentences, additional terms for tampering and false reporting. Reginald is 83 at sentencing.
Notable Quotes from Sentencing:
- “The hardest part for me was hearing how many times he had struck his daughter with an axe.” – Ann Hines [56:18]
- “I thought maybe having him convicted might make me feel better, but I don't. Ruth and Bethany are still deceased.” – Ann Hines [56:49]
Remembrance:
- “I would like to remember her as a fine and humble human being, a dependable friend and a very helpful person... She was warm and friendly, but reserved socially.” – Bethany’s friend, via Ann Hines [57:34]

Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

[01:06] Reginald’s calm 911 call: “I found my daughter and my wife. Somebody killed them in the apartment. They have been murdered.”
[09:07] Officer describes crime scene: “They both have been shoved into a trash can apiece. By all appearances, it looks like whoever did this was trying to put the bodies in the trash can and take them.”
[23:31] Narrator’s comparison of 911 call and voicemail for property manager, noting their “eerily similar, almost rehearsed” tone.
[39:27] Reginald’s chilling confession: “Pray to God either you killed me. But I don't want to see my children begging bread on the street and get homeless.”
[46:58] News coverage: “The 81-year-old man told them he killed and dismembered his wife and daughter because he could no longer afford to pay the rent… he had no regrets.”
[50:19] Community volunteer: “Somebody has to mourn these women.”
[56:18] Ann Hines shows the only photos the jury saw were postmortem – “The hardest part for me was hearing how many times he had struck his daughter with an axe.”
[57:34] Letter from Bethany’s friend: “She was warm and friendly, but reserved socially… May their souls rest in peace.”

Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment/Discussion | |-------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:06–05:14 | Discovery: 911 call and first police response | | 09:07–10:20 | Initial scene walk-through, trash can concealment, start of the investigation | | 15:30–17:19 | Canvassing neighbors; setting the family’s social profile | | 23:31–24:28 | Comparison of Reginald’s 911 call vs. property manager voicemail; suspicions arise | | 28:14–30:00 | Neighbor’s timeline contradicts Reginald's story | | 34:18–35:08 | Home Depot/Harbor Freight footage confirms premeditation | | 37:04–39:27 | Reginald’s confession in the hospital | | 43:28–46:58 | Detailed reconstruction of the murders and attempts at body disposal | | 48:45–52:31 | Colorado Nepal Alliance intervenes, reconstructs Bethany and Ruth’s history | | 56:18–57:20 | Courtroom closure and emotional responses at verdict | | 57:34–59:01 | Eulogy by Bethany’s lifelong friend |

Conclusion & Final Reflections

The episode closes with the tragic irony that the only person who paid attention to Bethany and Ruth McLaren was the person who murdered them; even in death, they depended on the kindness of strangers to be remembered.
The narrative powerfully underscores themes of isolation, hidden despair, and the destructive impact of unaddressed burdens—while debunking any justification for familial violence.
It also quietly indicts institutional and social neglect, showing how certain lives can slip unnoticed through the cracks unless someone—anyone—steps up to honor their passing.

This episode is an intense, unsettling exploration of premeditated violence hidden under everyday facades, enriched with firsthand audio and a unique focus on the humanity lost behind the headlines.

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Officer Aloise (1:06)

Listener discretion is advised. I found my daughter and my wife. Somebody killed them in the apartment. They have been murdered.

Narrator (1:33)

It's a little before 6pm on a Saturday in Englewood, Colorado. It's sunny but still frigid. It's the end of March, 2023 and two local Englewood, Colorado police deputies are sitting in their cruiser. They're just talking and looking over some paperwork, really. Officer Aloise has been with the force for a few years now, but today he's got a trainee with him. Englewood is in the heart of the Denver metropolitan area. There are over 30,000 residents and a typical crime rate which consists of basically two things, robberies and drug related incidents. Maybe a few traffic violations sprinkled in there as well. Neither Officer Aloise nor his trainee are expecting any crazy calls today, let alone a double homicide in a luxury apartment complex.

Officer Aloise (2:32)

901 Inglewood Parkway is going to be Unit n is a Nancy308, right.

Narrator (2:37)

He's got the cord to his radio wrapped around his finger, fidgeting with it as he listens to dispatch.

Officer Aloise (2:44)

Go ahead. Harvey states his wife and daughter are deceased. He thinks they might have been hurt. The wife is 70 years old and the daughter is 34. RV thinks he knows the suspect and we're still getting further.

Narrator (43:48)

According to Reginald, the plan had been in motion for a week. Here's what investigators believe happened that final day. Sometime in the early afternoon, he grabbed an axe, the one he bought at Harbor Freight. He set aside the handsaw. That was for later. He purchased everything he needed. Using cash, like the two rolling trash cans. He wheeled them through the parking lot by himself. They were now waiting in his living room, lids propped open. Bethany, his wife of nearly 40 years, was likely sitting on the couch. He struck her first, hard enough to slice through a major artery, causing a blood spray that painted the wall behind her. Then he turned on Ruth, hacking away at her. She was 35 years old, and Reginald said she had cerebral palsy. Detectives believe she may have been standing near the kitchen at the time. Later, they found the sink drain clogged with blood. And hair, clear evidence of an effort to clean up what was becoming an unmanageably messy situation. After they were both dead, Reginald used a combination of the axe and the saw to remove one of his wife's legs. It was harder than he imagined it would be, so he abandoned that idea. Instead, he forcibly bent Bethany and Ruth's limbs at awkward angles so they'd fit. He draped a towel over his wife, but it didn't cover much. He looked down, out of breath, and knew he still had to get both of these bends to stand up so he could roll them down the hall and into his suv. One of Bethany's legs was still sticking out, lying on top of the open lid. Blood was starting to pool around each of the bins. Reginald panicked. His chest felt tight. He knew this feeling. Quickly, he cut up both of the women's identification cards, driver's licenses and Social Security cards. He tossed the pieces down the trash chute into the apartment's main dumpster, along with bloody clothes and other personal effects. Then he picked up his phone and called the property manager, followed by 911. In his 911 call, Reginald said to the dispatcher, whoever did this probably started the cleanup but got tired and gave up. And that's exactly when what he did. During the process of hauling bodies, cleaning blood, and lugging heavy plastic bins into position, Reginald overexerted himself. He began to feel the familiar warnings of a heart attack. He'd already suffered four and had recently undergone open heart surgery. He just got scared. Scared that he was about to die. Getting medical attention for himself became the number one priority. I wonder how he was going to pay for that.

Narrator (52:31)

There was no family statement, no recent photo, no custom obituary. Instead, just a Bible verse. The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want. He maketh me lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul. He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me. Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies. Thou anointest my head with oil. My cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all of the days of my life, and I will dwell in in the house of the Lord forever. No mention of her daughter, her work as a nurse. Nothing. Bethany and Ruth McLaren lived quietly, but they died violently. And if not for the kindness of strangers, they would have been buried without anyone to grieve them. Everything we know about them comes from the fragments that they left behind, whether it be a neighbor's memory A community's sorrow or a killer's version of events. And Reginald's side of the story was built entirely on his lies. Because here's the horrible truth. The McLaren family wasn't facing homelessness. Detectives recovered several documents addressed to Reginald and Bethany. One of those documents was a statement from a credit union. It showed an account balance of over $11,000. Keep in mind, this was just one of their accounts. In his hospital bed confession, Reginald had also mentioned a briefcase with $8,000 in it. If that doesn't convince you that his entire excuse was a lie, maybe this will. There was no evidence that Reginald and his family were about to be evicted whatsoever. There was no eviction notice, no court order. And it was just that their lease was up. So that's was all a lie. This wasn't a man pushed into a corner. Reginald had made a decision. He was done being the pillar of his family. He was done having a family altogether. It was on April 3, 2023, that Reginald was formally charged with two counts of first degree murder, two counts of tampering with a deceased human body, and one count of false reporting. On January 23, 2024, he entered a not guilty plea. His trial began in June of 2024. It was a somber, quiet courtroom. No one sat in the gallery behind the defense table, and no one sat behind the prosecutors. Well, at least there was no one in attendance that really knew the McLaren family. Ann Hines, the executive director of the Colorado Nepal alliance, attended the entire trial. Just like she'd help plan Bethany and Ruth's burial, she wanted to be there when justice was finally served. Ann sounds like a nice person. We need more. Anne's.