What Men Really Think About Dating, Cheating & Commitment

Summary

Podcast Episode Summary: Tall Blonde – "What Men Really Think About Dating, Cheating & Commitment"

Presented by MBHTV

Release Date: April 25, 2025
Host: Sarah Lauren
Guest: Sean
Podcast Description: Tall Blonde dives into the unfiltered truths of dating, urban living, and ascending to 'it girl' status. Hosted by Sarah Lauren, the podcast shares candid stories, straightforward conversations, and invaluable lessons to help listeners navigate their personal lives.

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Introduction

In this revealing episode of Tall Blonde, host Sarah Lauren sits down with Sean, the founder of the emerging clothing brand Silly Boys. Unlike previous guests, Sean brings a fresh perspective that gave Sarah renewed hope in finding good men in today's dating landscape. The conversation delves deep into men's genuine thoughts on dating, cheating, and commitment, offering listeners a nuanced understanding of these complex topics.

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Guest Introduction and Background

Sarah Lauren (00:42): Introduces Sean as a unique guest who has restored her faith in finding good hearts. Sean shares his entrepreneurial journey, transitioning from a decade-long career in marketing and media to launching his clothing brand, Silly Boys.

Sean (01:51):

“I just started a clothing brand after spending about a decade in marketing and media. It was a leap, but entrepreneurship has always been a big part of my life.”

Sean discusses the challenges of starting a new venture, highlighting the meticulous process of establishing the supply chain, selecting materials, and ensuring quality. Despite initial fears, the supportive community has made the experience humbling and rewarding.

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Key Discussions

1. Commitment in Relationships

Sean (16:16):

“At a certain stage, a guy will grow for the right person. It’s about finding someone you click with and being inspired to change rather than someone trying to change you.”

Sean emphasizes that commitment stems from mutual growth and respect. Men are more likely to commit when they feel genuinely connected and inspired by their partner, rather than feeling pressured to conform to someone else's expectations.

2. Cheating and Maintaining Integrity

Sean (52:36):

“You shouldn’t even be in situations where there’s an opportunity to cheat. It’s about respecting your partner and yourself.”

Sean advocates for proactive measures to prevent infidelity, stressing the importance of self-respect and maintaining boundaries. He believes that avoiding situations where cheating could occur is crucial for sustaining trust and integrity in a relationship.

3. Leading On and Manipulation

Sarah Lauren (19:46): Shares a listener's story about Bella and Jimmy, where Jimmy leads Bella on without genuine intent. The discussion highlights the emotional toll of being led on and the importance of recognizing manipulative behaviors.

Sean (34:35):

“Don’t waste your time with someone who isn’t on the same page. The right guy will treat you with respect and kindness.”

Sean advises listeners to identify and walk away from relationships that offer false hope or lack mutual understanding, emphasizing that effort and genuine connection are non-negotiable.

4. Red Flags in Relationships

Sean (62:42):

“A red flag for me is a girl that is aggressively trying to make you jealous. It shows insecurity and a lack of genuine connection.”

Sean points out that manipulative tactics like inducing jealousy are major red flags, indicating underlying issues in the relationship dynamics. He underscores the importance of transparency and mutual respect.

5. Getting Someone’s Attention

Sean (58:26):

“Eye contact is a powerful signal. If a girl is giving you eyes, that’s her way of saying she’s interested.”

Sean discusses effective, respectful ways to show interest, such as maintaining eye contact or initiating conversation. He encourages both men and women to take proactive steps in expressing their interest, fostering open communication.

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Insights and Conclusions

Throughout the episode, Sean provides a balanced perspective on modern relationships, advocating for honesty, mutual respect, and personal integrity. He underscores that genuine commitment arises from a deep connection and shared growth, rather than superficial attraction or manipulative behaviors.

Key Takeaways:

• Mutual Growth: True commitment is fueled by both partners inspiring each other to grow and evolve.
• Preventative Integrity: Avoiding situations that may lead to infidelity is essential for maintaining trust.
• Recognizing Manipulation: Identifying and walking away from manipulative behaviors safeguards emotional well-being.
• Proactive Communication: Taking initiative in expressing interest fosters healthier relationship dynamics.
• Red Flags: Behaviors like inducing jealousy are indicators of deeper relational issues that should be addressed promptly.

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Notable Quotes

• Sean on Commitment (16:16):

  “At a certain stage, a guy will grow for the right person. It’s about finding someone you click with and being inspired to change rather than someone trying to change you.”

• Sean on Cheating (52:36):

  “You shouldn’t even be in situations where there’s an opportunity to cheat. It’s about respecting your partner and yourself.”

• Sean on Red Flags (62:42):

  “A red flag for me is a girl that is aggressively trying to make you jealous. It shows insecurity and a lack of genuine connection.”

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Conclusion

In this insightful episode of Tall Blonde, Sean offers a candid exploration of men's thoughts on commitment, cheating, and relationship dynamics. His emphasis on mutual respect, personal integrity, and proactive communication provides listeners with valuable perspectives to enhance their own dating experiences. By fostering honest and respectful interactions, Sean believes that fulfilling and lasting relationships are not only possible but well within reach.

For listeners seeking to deepen their understanding of modern relationships and gain actionable advice, this episode serves as an essential guide to navigating the complexities of dating with confidence and clarity.

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Connect with Silly Boys Apparel:
Website: sillyboysapparel.com
Instagram: @sillyboysapparel
TikTok: @sillyboysapparel

Thank you for listening to Tall Blonde. Join us next Thursday for more unfiltered conversations and empowering insights.

Transcript

[A]

What actually makes a man want to commit the girl.

[B]

A guy will grow for the right person. And if you find someone that you click with, then you start to change how you act versus someone like trying to change you. It's not good enough not to cheat. Like, you shouldn't even be in situations where there's an opportunity to cheat. You really have to just recognize when a situation is going too far. You just have to stop things and just have a little bit of respect effect for your partner, but also yourself. Regardless of your guy or girl. If you are the one that's saying, oh, my God, I really want to talk to him, then to be honest, you owe it to yourself. Send a message and say, hey, like, where are you going tonight? Or good to see you or whatever. At least give some opening. And then they will do it.

[A]

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to tall Blonde. Hey, everybody, and welcome back to Tall Blonde. The guest today is a little different than the rest because this man brought me hope, and that doesn't happen very often. I was out with my best friend Amy, who's in the building but refuses to come on. So comment down below that she should come on. But you were explaining to us some stories and we were all working. You know, we were just out having hanging out, and you gave some opinions on situations and things that brought me hope that good guys are still out there. So, like, a lot of this is gonna be the male's perspective because a lot of people say that I never give it. And now that I have someone that I believe can actually share something, we're gonna get your. So we're gonna put them to the test today, but explain yourself. Give us like a little elevator pitch of who you are.

[B]

Explain myself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, Sean. Yeah, I guess I'm on here because I just started a clothing brand, and so I spelled spent about a decade in, like, marketing and media and consulting, and then I kind of just pulled the trigger, probably sooner than I should, just because I was just having such a fun time. And I really like. Entrepreneurship has been a big part of my life for a long time, and you just kind of don't do it out of fear, to be honest, at least that was my story. You just don't kind of quit your job. So I pulled the trigger. I started this clothing brand. I'm having a ton of fun, and that's just kind of it. It's silly boys apparel, and we're both.

[A]

Wearing it right now.

[B]

Y.

[A]

So if you like our hoodies, where can they find it?

[B]

Black is good. But, like, that is just kind of it. So right now I am just on a completely different path than I've been my whole life. And I'm trying something completely new. It's very scary, but honestly, everyone's been very nice and supportive. So it's actually really, like, a humbling experience, to be honest.

[A]

And it is night. Like, we had this conversation today, and maybe a few things that we talk about I might repeat because that's what I do. But today we were talking about how you were on different, like, parts of it. Like, you are looking to grow and I'm. What? You're spilling already.

[B]

Nervy derby. Like, that's crazy.

[A]

Okay, first of all, what was the first word? What was the first word that we came up with today?

[B]

Profesh.

[A]

Profesh. Okay, tell me profesh isn't the best word that you've ever said. Second of all, that is not profesh.

[B]

Silly boys are stain proof. So we're cool.

[A]

You're on. We're on totally different, like, spots because I'm making merch for tall blonde. So stay tuned for that. But you are fully into. Like, you basically have everything. I went into the room that you have all of your pieces, different colors, everything already done. And, like, great material too. Like, you've figured it out, which I'm still in the process of. And now you're looking to grow. So, like, we're in the opposites. I just need to figure it all out, which there's a lot more that goes into it. Like, I thought, okay, perfect. We can just put a design on something and it's going to be good. No, like, you need. If you want people to like it and you want people to wear it, it's trial and error and it's money to be spent. Like, it's not cheap and you can't just get one. You have to try this and then buy a bulk. Like, I had no idea that that was the case.

[B]

Yeah. The supply chain, I think is the most difficult part because as you know, like, there's so many printing companies. So you can just design something and you can print it and everyone prints on like a Gildan sweater, American Apparel, or Champion. No hate to that. But it just is not like the best, like, luxury kind of quality. And Silly Boys is already like a fun vibe, fun brand. So I think people don't expect the quality. So I just was very meticulous about it. And so it just took a while to figure out the supply chain, to figure out where to manufacture it, how to get the sizing right, what's the right material, what's the right knitting, all that stuff. But it's not so difficult. It honestly I think it is more difficult the way I'm doing it, only just out of necessity. Like I don't have a. Some massive following, you know, I'm not kind of an Internet personality or whatever. So that's just like super, you know, props on you, but that I think people will love the clothes because it's your brand and they've already bought into your personality. So I think that's really great. But it's like, then it's just the fun of designing the brand. But I think you're right. I think the approach to try and get a higher quality product, if that's what matters to you, is the right thing. But the risk is like you said, you have to buy inventory and hold it. And I sit on it and I design it. You know, it's so much easier to like, you know, do a drop shipping model, which there's some partners where you can do it, but it's not the easiest thing in the world.

[A]

But yeah, I forgot this. Did you remember this the whole time that you used and you stitched one of my videos?

[B]

No, I didn't know until you just mentioned something about the video. And then I clued in and I showed you. But that is like also too the biggest props to you. Like so many people that I know sent that to me and they're like obsessed with you and they're like, you gotta tag her. This is her video, blah, blah. And at the time I didn't know. I'm like, I'm not tagging someone that doesn't know me. That's insane.

[A]

So for reference, it's the video that I put that was. Of course I say stupid things online, but this one was actually kind of funny. It was the when you only have three kills but seven of them are at the same bar. And I mean, we've all been there. Don't even like frown upon me. I see Amy's little eyes over there. But we've all been there. Okay, and you, what did you say back to it? You were just laughing at it like you stitched it.

[B]

Yeah, I just thought it was hilarious. I was legitimately, I think I just saw, I saw this girl's video, she said this and I thought it was incredible. And that's it. And I was just laughing and.

[A]

Can I tell the story? I forgot? No. Do you want me to tell the story about when I saw you and I was like, oh, your brand, blah, blah.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Okay. So I ghosted him.

[B]

I don't even know.

[A]

I ghosted him before we ever actually hang out. Hung out, but, like, unintentional on his. But he invited me to see this march at his house, and I was like, what the fuck do you mean? So I just ghosted him because I was like, okay, he doesn't want to show me the merger, help me. He just wants to, you know, do other things. But then he saw me at a bar, and he was like, okay, I see where that could have been taken wrong.

[B]

So I didn't even know you said that. You're like, you invited me over to your house, so I'm not coming. And I was like, oh, yeah, don't do that if people invite you. But I honestly just have a separate room that was like, you want to see the merch? So I wasn't thinking about it.

[A]

I have now been to the house to see the merch, but. So we've come a long way. Yeah, I finally made it to see the merch.

[B]

That was very hurtful.

[A]

Totally fine. Sometimes you need a little ghost, you know?

[B]

I don't know if that classifies as a ghost thing. It's just like, you just didn't come. But I think you were then purposefully trying to be difficult.

[A]

Yeah, I definitely was.

[B]

Let's meet up. Let's not meet up. Let's meet up. And I'm just kind of working, so I'm just like, yes.

[A]

I don't even know I was trying to be difficult. I think I just am difficult.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe be less difficult, maybe.

[A]

I don't know. I kind of like it. Like, it's a fun. Well, like, if you really want to hang out or work together, do whatever you're gonna have to be. Go through the difficult.

[B]

Okay, well, I guess it's different if you are purposefully being difficult to see if someone will put in effort. That's one thing. But the other thing is you are just busy. Like, you are building your brand. You're doing a lot of stuff. You're doing the pot. You're trying to do the clothes. You're doing that. Like, so it's okay to be naturally busy and have someone, you know, they have to fit in your schedule. But I also, like, you asked me for help, and I was like, yeah, I'll. Sure, I'll help you. And then you just flipped it around and tried to big dog me.

[A]

Yeah, but I think, like, I wasn't thinking too much into it.

[B]

Yeah, me neither.

[A]

And I don't think I was plotting it. Like, I feel like I was just.

[B]

Like, yeah, well, the house thing makes perfect sense. Yeah, don't invite your house.

[A]

That one I have a good excuse for.

[B]

Yeah, I. One of the most attractive things to me in the world, I think, is just effort. So if, like, someone is trying to be difficult or texting me and they're just, like, being very nonchalant or like, trying to, you know, they're playing some game via text that's like, I'm not gonna text for a while because he's gonna be wondering what I'm doing. Like, I'm just not doing that. That's just my personality. So I think it definitely can work. But I don't know. There's. There's nothing so crazy that I've been like, this does not. Like, I totally disagree with this. Some of this stuff just wouldn't fly for you. Yeah, yeah. But again, like, I would think that those girls, that's like, no issue to them. Like, it doesn't mean anything if they, you know, if that's their way to try and tell. If a guy's going to put an effort, the reverse way, then if he doesn't, that's on him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So what, are you very scared to drink this drink, by the way?

[A]

No, don't worry. I believe in you and I think you can find. There you go. And we have more. So, like, we're going to have to get sipping.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Going into dating scenes and stuff. And you're single? Yeah. Okay. Just making sure.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And how do you think the whole pool of dating is now? King Street?

[B]

I don't know if King street is the dating pool, but, um, I. It's fine. I. I got no issue. Like, I know people are like, Toronto's really bad for dating, whatever. Like, I think they just have bad experiences. Like, I. I don't know. I got no beef with it. I've been dating, going on dates, seeing people. Like, I have not found it to be an issue, to be honest. Maybe I don't give people also too, a lot of chance. So I don't, like, you know, get in deep with people a lot of the time. But I also am just, like I said, I'm very attracted to effort. I'm very attracted to someone's character more than anything. And I like, just. I just kind of trying to feel out the vibe of someone. So it's just like, is there energy there? Is there some attraction? Is there electricity? And then if I feel like they are a good person that is what's really going to kind of make me fall.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, it's not anything else.

[A]

And I. Yeah, very well said answer, I guess.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

So what's your like ideal person?

[B]

My ideal person, I don't like physically or just in general?

[A]

Both. Like more in general, but physically too. Like you can say hair color, you can say.

[B]

Well, I don't know that I totally have like a physical type. You know, if I look at some of the people that I dated and been seeing, like it's a vast majority. Like I think obviously physical attraction is super important. Like you just have to have that.

[A]

But I agree, like you can't date someone if you're not attracted to them.

[B]

No, that's just a non starter.

[A]

But that doesn't grow over time.

[B]

I don't have like, I don't have like a physical checklist. Like, you know, some guys or girls are like, you got to be this, this, this and this. I just don't have that because I think I'm so attracted to personality and energy and so it's really kind of just. I can feel it out on like the first couple conversations and if I think about the people that I've kind of really fallen for, they have generally been like in a friend group that I've been hanging out with and so.

[A]

A friend of a friend.

[B]

Yeah. And you kind of almost get to know them by accident a little bit, A little bit more than maybe you would have in a normal situation. And then, you know, I kind of just, you know, feel out someone's character and I am from a family that really prioritizes family.

[A]

And you've, you've only brothers?

[B]

I have three brothers. They are all married. Two of them have kids. They all are with the loves of their lives. My sister in laws are the best ever. Like, it is just incredible to see. So I'm also not like, not one of these single guys that are like, I'm living the dream, you know, I'm trying to do that. I just like, I have a really high respect for relationships, so I'm not avoiding it.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

I just haven't found my person.

[A]

So do you feel pressured because your siblings are.

[B]

No, I don't feel pressure at all. They get a kick out of my lifestyle for sure and I love being the fun uncle right now. But like I said, like I, I come from a family that really prioritizes family, that above all. And on top of that, they, your significant other is your number one person in the world. You Know you are the most supportive to them. They are the best person to you. They're, you know, you just really are with them. And so I am not against relationships at all. I would love to be in one. I loved being in one. So I'm just, I just haven't found that cuz I, I just live you know, a certain lifestyle that's very busy and I'm very driven for, for success in that aspect. So that takes a lot of my time. But I also just not someone that just wants to be in a relationship to be in one. I actually am looking for a partner and so it's just more difficult. Yeah. Yes.

[A]

Oh, if you're in your 30s and you're single, like what's wrong with you? And like fair. Like I remember I was seeing someone that was 34 when I was living in New York. My dad was like, well why is he single at 34? Like is it because he just genuinely doesn't want to settle and hasn't met his person or is it because you know, he's a playboy, this and that, whatever. Like there is two different ways. So I guess it's like you never know until you know.

[B]

Yeah, you just have to get to know someone. I think honestly. And to be honest, it's diff. It's easy to say as the 32 year old that like age is just a thing. But I also was pretty late to a lot of experiences. Like I did not.

[A]

In what way?

[B]

I just did not. Like for example in high school I wasn't dating a lot. Even in university I didn't like have a long term girlfriend until after I graduated. So I just kind of, even with traveling and different experiences, I kind of just, you know, I think my family too is a little risk adverse and that just kind of translated to how I lived life.

[A]

So in what way that you were.

[B]

More just more cautious. And I think I didn't have like the understanding that I have now that you should experience people, you should get to know them, you should try things. I think because I thought like oh, when you get in a relationship it's so serious that I was just very cautious to the thing unless I thought someone was perfect. And I just didn't find that. And so now I'm like going on dates more and it's like, okay, yeah, I'm older but it's just the reason I'm single is I just wasn't dating a ton. If you date a ton and you have those experiences, you're probably gonna find.

[A]

Someone at some Point?

[B]

Yeah, I think so. So, yeah. Not avoiding it. Yeah.

[A]

And you're gonna have to give us the male's perspective on these questions. So these are some questions that people want to know from, you know, like a guy's perspective. So make it more general. Like, you don't have to say what you just think more so like the majority of men.

[B]

Okay. Speaking for all men. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, first question. What actually makes a man want to commit?

[B]

What makes a man want to commit? Want to commit? The girl.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah, I think it's very much the girl. And I think people are always very like, you know, you can change them and all this stuff. But I. I think at a certain stage, like a guy, people, I think, get weirded out by the word change. But a guy will grow for the right person. So I think it's very much on the person. And if you find someone that you click with and you think that they're the right person, then you start to, you know, change how you act. You don't want to go, like, you just kind of adapt in that environment. So I think, at least in my opinion, for most guys, it is very much the person that make. That inspires them to want to grow and change versus someone, like, trying to change you.

[A]

Because that's the thing. Like, I feel like a lot of people are like, okay, why doesn't he want to commit to me? What do I have to do? Like, what is there, like, what's wrong with me almost? Or like, how do I get him? How do I make him want me even more and want to date me? Or like, lock me down? But I guess what you're saying is, and your perspective is that you. Or just maybe some men are like, that might just not be the person.

[B]

Yes. And. And sometimes, you know, sure, it could be timing, but like, I think a lot of times it's just the person. And I don't think as a girl you should feel slighted by that. That's just not your person. Like, why would you don't feel like you have to force someone? Like, the right guy will do everything for you. And some of these girls that have had bad of a bad experiences, which is obviously terrible, and they're like, all guys are like this. It's like, not all guys are like that. You know, it's just guys will, I think, do it for the right person. And if that's not your right person, then you should, you know, be so thankful that you're not wasting your time with that person.

[A]

There was someone that Wrote in that we're going to have to talk about this story too. Because it's like, what you're saying is, I was listening because I sent in a voice memo of a story time and it was a three part series, like nine minutes, four minutes, six minutes. And I appreciated the detail, but I spark noted it so that we didn't have to take 20 minutes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was frustrating to me because I'm like, what do you mean? Like this person point blank doesn't want you and you're so butt hurt and you're ruining your experience and your life dreading over why he doesn't like you. Some people just don't like, like you. Like, I don't like a certain type of meat. I don't like this just because I just don't like it. It's not because there's anything wrong with it. Other people might love it. But like, why are you fighting for something that would never work out? I don't understand why people do that. I think that's more girls than guys. Or do guys do that?

[B]

I think guys do that too. Like, I would say maybe historically, like, and this is years ago now, but I can remember some times where I kind of felt that you kind of are like, oh my God, why doesn't this person like me, of course realize until after, it's just you're not their type of person or whatever. So. Yeah, I, I can totally understand that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's just not how I feel today.

[A]

No. And like, you're gonna have to go through that. It makes you a better person to get shut down, get effed over by someone or like get played or whatever it is. But it's a learning lesson. It does. Shitty. No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it does make you a better person, I think. Like, why are some men though, such players? Like, why do people, why do men lead girls on often?

[B]

Lead them on in what way?

[A]

In every sense. Like, make them feel like they're, you know, their girlfriend or their person, that it's gonna get there. But like they're fooling around or hooking up with girls while the person that really likes them and that they think is together with, like they're, they're, they're not setting a line and saying that they're exclusive, but they're making them feel like that they're making the woman feel like that and then going against it all and hooking up with people and not telling her. Like, why do you guys go about it like that so often now? Like, why are men douches.

[B]

I can't really speak on that. But I don't know. Based on what I've seen, I think. I think it's just the same thing. We talk. Maybe it's a fear of commitment. Maybe it's. They are afraid of getting hurt. You know, if you put yourself out there then, then that girl then can hurt you. Or if it's just. That's not your person. And some people just like the attention or they like the sex or they like whatever and they just kind of. It's easy for them and they can send a message and text and blah, blah, blah. And it's just that it's not always. I mean, I don't love that behavior. I don't agree with it, but it's not always vindictive. I think in my. Sometimes it's just.

[A]

What does vindictive even mean?

[B]

It's. They're not trying to be sometimes in my experience, I have seen both ways, but sometimes it's not the guy purposefully trying to be disrespectful and rude to the girl. It's just you're not kind of thinking about it and it's just kind of that maybe that.

[A]

How are you not thinking about it?

[B]

You just. They just like the attention. Like, you know, some people do stuff for that attention and you just kind of like, you know that that's not your person. So you're not going to commit to them. But it's easy if you just want to message them. I don't know, I haven't really lived that scenario. I just, I'm not like super emotional. But like if I like someone, they are getting my attention, you know, it's all. I really actually care about that one on one. So I'm just not really kind of.

[A]

I have a question for you and then I'll go into the story. But okay, if your girl that you were talking to, you're not dating, but like you're. You have a thing, okay, you go away. They go away on a family trip for a week.

[B]

You're talking to them. You're not exclusive. The girl goes away on the family.

[A]

You're kind of exclusive. You had the exclusive talk.

[B]

That's kind of exclusive.

[A]

You've had the exclusive talk, but you're not dating. You know what I mean?

[B]

Oh, okay. So you are exclusive. We're exclusive. Okay, got it.

[A]

And you, the girl goes away. Your girl that. Let's call her Jen. Jenny. Do you like the name Jenny? No.

[B]

That's a good name.

[A]

We can go with like Susie Jen is great. So Jen goes on a family vacation and you're supposed to pick up Jen from the airport.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And hang out that night together. Jen lands.

[B]

Okay. And I just. I'm assuming Jen is Sarah.

[A]

Jen is Jen. Okay, got it.

[B]

Yep, got it.

[A]

Don't put her. Don't try to put this on me.

[B]

Jen is Jen. Noted.

[A]

Jen is Jen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she lands and she goes, hey, just landed. Like, are you coming to pick me up? And you say, oh, I'm actually going out. I'm actually out right now. You should probably get a cab.

[B]

That's insane. Yeah. Yeah, that's insane.

[A]

Talk about it.

[B]

Yeah, talk about that. That's.

[A]

What do you think? Share your opinion.

[B]

That I don't know that. That. Yeah.

[A]

Like, you just never do that.

[B]

No, that, that's. I, I think that's like, if you're exclusive with someone, you care about them, there's feelings involved. Like, that's almost your pseudo girlfriend. Like, it's gonna be your girlfriend. At least you're. You guys are working towards that. So 1. Why wouldn't you want to see them immediately when they kind of touch down? Like, you got to be, you know.

[A]

You probably raging to the guy here.

[B]

Crazy. And then I think like, just like the last minute nature of it, like, oh, I'm drunk with the boys, like, go get your Uber, is kind of. That's just sliding crazy. But yeah, I don't know the scenario, but I would think, like, if you're in that scenario and someone goes away and to be honest, especially if you're if exclusive and not dating, that leads me to believe it's pretty new. Like you're kind of really, like, you want to see that person, you know, you just. So it would be weird to not. Like I would think you would want to offer to pick them up even if they didn't ask for it, because you want to see them right away and take them home and. Yeah.

[A]

And like have that time with them. You miss them so much. Like, isn't that like, shouldn't you be impressing them at that point? Like, what the fuck?

[B]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

But chivalry.

[B]

But it's also just like being cutesy with your girl. Like, you know, you miss them, you pick them up at the airport, you probably bring them flowers. You know, be cute. I think.

[A]

What happened to bringing people flowers at the airport? Have you ever done it?

[B]

I think it's still happening. Yeah.

[A]

You think it happens?

[B]

Yeah. Why?

[A]

Clearly not working for me.

[B]

Sarah slash Jen.

[A]

But it happens. Jen's actually my sister's. Name. And one time I used her name in, like, a story time on TikTok. And I used her name and a guy's name that she was actually talking to before.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

And she messages me and she goes, okay, sister of the year, I need you to say this in writing. That that was not made up on my life. That was something that happened to you, and you used me as an example. I go, oh, shit, I forgot that happened. So, yeah, I need to stop using her name. But it's a beautiful name, like, Jenny. Jennifer. Lovely name. Okay, so we'll go into this story, but I have a lot of other scenarios that I want to hear your thing on, but this is the one. Okay? You understand me with, like, my brain's going a thousand miles a minute.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was listening to this video voice recording, and I made the spark notes. So we might be all over the place here. So you're just gonna have to try to understand.

[B]

Okay. Yep. Just dumb it down for me.

[A]

Yeah. Let me know if, like, there's some. I lose you.

[B]

Yeah, okay.

[A]

Because if I lost you, then I lost.

[B]

Yeah, if you lose me, you've lost everyone.

[A]

I'll tell you. Okay, here goes it. So it's a woman. Okay, let's call her. Can you give me a name? Because I can't put someone I know.

[B]

Amy.

[A]

Amy. So Amy is divorced, but Amy tried dating apps and it didn't work out, so she went on seeking an arrangement.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

I don't know. I think it's like, what is seeking? Do I not want us to use your name? Should I use Ange? Fine, I'll use Bella. Bella. Bella's a beautiful name.

[B]

Yep. Okay.

[A]

Bella's divorced. Okay. She did the divorce, so, like, she wanted to end, so she got over it pretty quick.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Bella tried dating apps. Didn't work. She went on to seeking an arrangement, which is. What exactly is seeking an arrangement? Like, it's kind of like you're, like, trying to find, like, a sugar daddy.

[B]

I don't know. I never heard of it. Is that.

[A]

Yeah. For all we know, that is. That is what it is. So she's looking for a sugar daddy. Someone that has an arranged money flow coming in to do A, B and C. Not sure. So she went on that, and she found someone. They weren't. It wasn't really like a seeking an arrangement agreement. It was more of, like, dating. Like, it became a thing. They were doing a lot of dating things. They were never officially said that they were dating, but, like, they did everything. They bought each other gifts for their birthdays. They bought each other gifts for Christmas.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then Bella caught feelings, and he said he did, too. Jimmy did, too. Jimmy wasn't ready to settle down because he needed to quotations. Heal from his past relationship. I hate when people say that. That's an excuse.

[B]

Oh, got it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, you thought he was hurt.

[B]

I don't know you. I think your spark.

[A]

I think healing is like.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Is a bit of bullshit.

[B]

Oh, got it.

[A]

Okay, cool, Cool. Not it. All right.

[B]

Don't heal.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Stay toxic. Okay. And then Jimmy then said he was ready to. To date again.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And getting over his past relationship. Yeah. And he said that at a dinner with her friends, but he said that to a different girl, and she overheard because she's on the other side. Bella. And Bella's like, what does that mean for us? Like, are you saying that you want to start dating again? So I'm like, are we moving forward? What do you mean? Oh. And then he said, no. He's looking for no. And if he met someone tomorrow, he's ready to have kids and get married. So then she's like, what the do you mean? Like, I'm literally right here. Clearly, it's not me who you want. And Bella said that. Whatever. And she. And Jimmy said that she's crazy. Okay.

[B]

Jimmy said that. Who's crazy?

[A]

Jimmy said that Bella's crazy.

[B]

To this other girl.

[A]

No, no, no. Now Bella and Jimmy are talking. When Bella goes, so it's not me. No. Is it actually bad? Like, would you have done better?

[B]

Anyone?

[A]

I'm also hungover, and this was this morning. Okay.

[B]

So that's fine. Like, Jimmy tells Bella that she's crazy.

[A]

Yeah. Because Bella goes, so it's not me. And Jimmy goes, you're Gracie.

[B]

Okay. Bella.

[A]

Yeah. Bella needs a hug. Okay. And then Jimmy continues to say, we were never dating.

[B]

Whoa. Jimmy.

[A]

And then Bella goes, but you told me to stick around.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So false hope. No.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah, that's my. I put it in brackets. False hope. Oh, that's in the note.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's me contributing to the conversation. So Bella explained to me that it got around that he's an asshole.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As it does. He tried to hit on someone else, and the new girl said, aren't you dating Bella?

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

So Jimmy comes to Bella and goes, if you don't stop telling people we were together, I'm gonna cause major issues in your life. And then Jimmy continues. Continues to say, I never liked you, and I was sleeping with Other people the whole time.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

Jimmy told Bella that he wasn't sleeping with anybody else.

[B]

Okay. Why?

[A]

Okay. So Bella tells me that she's heartbroken.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Oh, poor Bella. She's being that girl. She said, because she was going to her friends saying, he's not a bad person, he's just. It was just a bad day.

[B]

Bella's saying that to her friends, okay?

[A]

Like, Bella needs. Wake up, Bella. Okay? So she said, I feel like shit. And, like, why wasn't I good enough?

[B]

Okay?

[A]

And she can't get over it.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

So she also went to hang out with the new girl and ask her. She went out of her way to message the new girl that he was seeing, okay? And the new girl was like, dude, he told me that you guys were never together, blah, blah, blah. And Bella's butt hurt because, like, how could he throw all this away?

[B]

The new girl. The girl that he was talking to at dinner or something. Completely.

[A]

And. And the new girl was like, listen, I'm sure there's plenty of new girls. Like, let's be real here. But like, come on, Jimmy.

[B]

Classic Jimmy.

[A]

Jimmy. But essentially, Bella's going crazy right now.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And she's up. She can't even talk to her friends about it anymore because they've had enough.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And she's like, I just want him. Like, I don't want anyone else. What? Like, what is your perspective? Because I have a lot to say, but I want to hear from you.

[B]

How old is Jimmy and Bella?

[A]

They didn't give him a reference. But she's divorced.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So if I'm going to give an educated guess, she's in her. Their late 30s, early 40s.

[B]

Okay. Okay. I think she. Just, to be honest, I think what happens in some of these situations is like an infatuation in the moment. Like, you are very. Just emotional. So she came out of a divorce. Who knows how that happened? You know, she ended it, though.

[A]

She said that she. She was happy. She got over it real quick.

[B]

Yeah. But I think in that environment, like, who knows, Maybe they were just like in a loveless marriage or for a long time, like, when's the last time she was texting someone and her heart was beating, you know, and all this stuff. And what is he thinking? How's he thinking about me? So I think, yeah, I think there's, you know, it just a little amplified because of the situation, because to be honest, like, you're thinking about that rationally with no emotion, and you're like, the guy lied. You know, he's saying, stick around, then.

[A]

He doesn't like you. Why? Yeah, why?

[B]

He doesn't like you and he telling you you're cra. Like, if someone tells you that you're crazy, you may be crazy, but you also may not be crazy. And they're just an. You know, so, like, if someone said that to you, whether you're crazy or not, you should just be like, this is not a person that I want in my life who wants someone to speak to them that way. So.

[A]

And like, I was hooking up with other people the whole time.

[B]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[A]

So full. That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that, like, I just can't. I mean, I understand because I've probably been in a situation where I wanted someone that probably didn't want me or showed that they didn't want me. I, Like, I've been through it. We all kind of have to go through it. It's fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not judging by any means, but, like, how, like, I just don't understand how you can go for someone when they're point blank telling you, I do not like you. Like, why are you wasting. And you already wasted time with him? She said in the. She understands that she's not listening to her own advice. She understands that she wasted. She said a year with this man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why waste another day?

[B]

Yeah. Well, it just depends what you're doing because sometimes, like, your point to, like, leading someone on, like, you can say, I don't want anything with you, but then I text you all the time. I'm saying, come hang out. You know, you're going on dates, you're going on dinner. So then that person has a scapegoat to be like, well, I told you I didn't want anything. But she, you know, she's being like, you literally been dating me.

[A]

So I think that's like, manipulation.

[B]

Yes, of course. But I think it's difficult to see when there's emotions around. And so, yeah, like, I don't know. It's tough to give that advice.

[A]

So. Yeah. What would you say to Bella?

[B]

Like I said, out of there.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, you deserve so much more. Nobody, even my exes that I hate, I do not wish upon them to have someone that doesn't like them and, you know, ruin their life for that. No one deserves that.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

No one.

[B]

No. Like, yeah. And I think sometimes it's like, you know, almost rudeness gets. Gets confused with, like, confidence and, you know, things like that. So it's like, oh, he's being a little Rude to me or dismissive. So he must be so much better than me. Like, not at all, like, you know, real guys, to be honest, at least in relationships that I know that are, like, they're very nice.

[A]

Yeah. Are there good guys out there?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Like, is there a good story that you have?

[B]

My brothers are very.

[A]

Oh, true.

[B]

Yeah, I have lots of friends. My brothers are in great relationships.

[A]

Try dirty Shirley.

[B]

Oh, boy. Okay.

[A]

Are you even done yet?

[B]

I don't even know how this is gonna spill.

[A]

Are you good?

[B]

Much better.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. No, the other.

[A]

That one's good, though.

[B]

This is really good. Strawberry colada.

[A]

Dirty Shirley. Just don't do a God break.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Silly.

[B]

Yeah, I like that. No, I just think, yes, there's tons of good guys. I have so many friends in great relationships. I have brothers, I have siblings, my parents. Like, there's just lots of people in great relationships. There's just. I think there is a difference between not good people, guys and girls, and then also just people that are not right for each other. Like, they're going to be a really good person, and for whatever reason, you just bring the worst out in each other. It's just not a good situation. And so I don't think those people are bad people.

[A]

It's just not meant to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you're meeting someone and you don't live in the same cities, and you both want to stay in those cities. Like, it's.

[B]

Yeah, it's very difficult. I did not always have that perspective. I. You know, I got close to someone before. Before, and just. They just kind of opened my eyes to that perspective. Like, you shouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. Like, why would you want to, like, you know, be. Fill up your own cup, do your own thing, you know, be confident in who you are. And I think just the right person will see that, and they will be kind to you, like your boyfriend, your husband. They should be nice to you. Like, I don't really know what else to say that that's got nothing to do with.

[A]

But she'll never see that unless she. She takes herself out of the situation to open herself up to other things.

[B]

It's tough. It's tough when the emotions are flowing through your head. You just have clouded judgment. It's very tough. I don't know the solution to that.

[A]

I think the only solution is using it as, like, adrenaline energy to, like, be better than him.

[B]

I think you should. That Tom, maybe. No, not at all. I think maybe aggressively go on dates so you can see other people, you know, like, get. Get someone kind of good in your life, even if they're not the perfect person to try and show you. Oh, yeah.

[A]

You know, And I also think if she feels the need to have this person in her life and, like, give her the satisfaction of saying, no, it's you. I like you. Even though he doesn't. Like, maybe there is some work that needs to be done on herself too. Because for me, if I'm chasing someone, which I've done before, and it was because I wasn't fully comfortable and confident in myself, she should be okay to walk away and be alone. But it's hard to get there.

[B]

Very difficult to get there. But yes, you should just walk away. Cause I think in those situations, she probably imagined their future together and all this stuff.

[A]

Girls do that so easily. Do you guys do that?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Like, you imagine your future with someone.

[B]

If you really care about that and you like them. It's just a natural thing to. To do the progression. And to be honest, for a long time in my life, I, you know, lived five moves ahead. Seems like I should tic tac toe this to get. And it's. I think that is not a great way to live, but it's just difficult. But, you know, if you can kind of just be a little bit confident and secure in yourself, like, yeah, tons of examples of great relationships. So there's no, you know, the tons of good girls, tons of good guys.

[A]

There are. And I'm finally realizing that. But I think you have to get out of your head of, like, people from your past or experiences. Like, just don't tolerate it and don't put up with certain things, which genuinely means stop talking to someone if they're not the right fit. Like, don't lead people on or keep.

[B]

Them in your back pocket if you are confused. I know people do not like to do this. Maybe us more girls than not is like, actually just, like, flat out say what you want. Yeah, you kind of. In my experience, a lot of girls are like, oh, if you know the right guy will just know what I want. It's like, you're just. That's just lucky. But I think in that situation, the best thing to say is to say, I care about you. I like you. Like, are we on the same page? And if they say no, then walk away. They're lost. I don't know.

[A]

Don't waste your time.

[B]

Yeah. And I don't. It's easier said than done. Like, I definitely have not probably done that in my life, but you should do that.

[A]

Were you ever, like, a toxic guy?

[B]

In what way?

[A]

Like, did you ever have a phase of being, like, leading people on or anything?

[B]

To my knowledge, no. Only because I. Like, I said, I wasn't really dating a lot. I was kind of late to that game, and so I just did not have scenarios where I would be going on tons of dates with someone and then, like, you know, not caring about them. Like, I actually don't like to. Like, I don't want to hang out with someone or go on dates with them unless I actually really like them.

[A]

So you think it's, like, a waste of time? Because. Same.

[B]

It's a waste of time, but it's also, like, I just don't enjoy it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you know, I don't. I want that, like, kind of vibe, and I want to feel something. Like I said, I have a lot of examples in my life of great relationships, so I know what they should be lucky.

[A]

Not a lot of people have that. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Of course. It's very lucky. So I just want that from someone. And so I don't lead someone on only because I, like, I'm not trying to lead myself on. You know, I don't know. I don't. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And you don't have enough time for that, too. You're so.

[B]

I don't have a lot of time for that. And. And to be honest, I wish I had more time not for the leading on, but for the dating and stuff.

[A]

I would love to leave.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I would love to be the guy that leads on. No, maybe. I probably get let on more than reverse. Only because, like, I'm not super crazy emotional, but I am, because I'm attracted to that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I only want to spend time with someone I care about and someone I think has a really good character. And so then it is very difficult for me to do something against that person because I think they're a really.

[A]

Good person, which is how, like, I just. I agree, but I don't understand how people could, like, go against that. Like, how do you not put yourself in somebody else's shoes and be like, if you like someone, how do you just move her? You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, but that's a whole other. That's a whole other bridge to.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Walk. Yeah. It's just not.

[A]

Gallop up, cross, jump over.

[B]

Don't do that.

[A]

I don't know. So Spark notes our answer for Bella.

[B]

Move on. Like, get. Go find someone else. There will be.

[A]

Put yourself out there for other people.

[B]

Put yourself out there for other people. Recognize that maybe there's some, you know, amplified infatuation because just it was a lot of emotion at once. But the right guy will not speak to you like that. They will not talk to you like that or treat you. They wouldn't even say, like, you're crazy. Like, a normal person would just explain that they don't have those feelings for you. They wouldn't say that to you. Really rude. So just kind of put yourself out there. And I bet the first bunch of dates you go on Jimbo will be in the back of your head.

[A]

Not Jim. Bo.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Jimmy.

[B]

He'll be in the back of your head. But you just kind of force yourself to do that. And, you know, time will. Time will tell.

[A]

So get out there. The person, put on your best outfit and go on a freaking date. But dating apps didn't work for her before. So I guess you're gonna have a girl's night. You're gonna. But flirt with every guy there.

[B]

Yeah. Do whatever you want. Girls nights are fun as well.

[A]

Fun? How do you know?

[B]

I just see from afar a bunch of girls getting drunk on wine, laughing their ass off. Like, it looks electric.

[A]

It's like solving the world's problems.

[B]

You're not solving anything.

[A]

We are just talking. Every issue that's ever happened in this world, I have now.

[B]

Write it in your spark notes and.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. That was fun. I wish I wrote more. So send in voice notes. Because my way of, like, explaining it, why was it bad? Did you follow it at all?

[B]

Nobody knew what you were saying.

[A]

Oh, really? Okay, whatever. So this is one that someone wrote in. Not as fun. So we'll call this let's Stay with Bella and Jimmy. Is that fine? Yeah. Bella number two. Bella said this is a short and sweet one.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So in the last eight months, I went through a horrible breakup. Now my ex of almost five years move in with my. Moved in with my best friend.

[B]

What? Okay.

[A]

And it kind of triggered me. No shit. I've been starting to go on dates and chat with men again and have no fucking idea what I'm doing. But your page has helped me a lot. I need more help.

[B]

Holy. I don't know. That's brutal. Friend. Don't be friends with them.

[A]

Yeah. Who the fuck is your friend?

[B]

Yeah, she needs help with that. Like, that's just a tough situation. I don't know. Like, there's not, like, an answer that's going to make that okay also, like.

[A]

Okay at all if he can't Be like, if it's too triggering for someone like an ex to be in your life. I always say that. Out of sight, out of mind. It does help a lot when they're not, you know, right there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the feelings aren't coming all back in. So for me, I don't go to certain bars that I know someone's going to be at if. If I'm triggered by it. I don't do these things. But for a friend to, like, be living with someone, like, that's gonna bring it up every single second. So it's almost like you might have to say to the friend, I do not want to see him. I'm affected by it. It brings up emotions, and I'm not there yet.

[B]

Well, you're still friends with that person.

[A]

Well, I think you need to have a conversation and say, why would you do that? Even if you have that in you? You could. And it's totally fair for you to literally say, I don't even want this friend anymore.

[B]

I guess it depends. What.

[A]

I would hear them out. You wouldn't even hear them out.

[B]

No, I would. You're right. You're right. I just. I don't know the situation, like, where they, you know, going behind her back, like, how fast did this happen? Yeah.

[A]

Well, she knows. So let's say that. Let's just, like, think of it as. It wasn't behind her back. But they didn't ask for her opinion.

[B]

Oh, okay. Or.

[A]

Or they didn't ask for her blessing. Yeah, blessing.

[B]

Got it. Okay. So. I mean, that's just. Yeah. Not the nicest, but. Okay. Maybe it's not sleazy. I don't know. I don't know.

[A]

Living with someone like. Sorry, what the. Nobody lives together anymore that are guy and a girl.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's just friends.

[B]

Okay, sorry. I am sorry. I completely misunderstood that. So the. The friend and the guy are not together. They just live together.

[A]

Okay. So in the last eight months, I went through a horrible breakup.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now my ex, Jimmy, almost five years, they were dating.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So about five years. Moved in.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

With my best friend.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And it kind of triggered me.

[B]

Oh. I took that as the Jimbo and Jimmy.

[A]

I hate the name Jimbo.

[B]

And then the friend, like, moved in together as a couple. You're just saying they now just live together platonically, which is also near.

[A]

I think that's.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

Yeah. But if you were thinking that and you thought that I'd be able to hear a friend out.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[A]

I'd need a restraining order. I would be in jail, unfortunately. So don't go to jail.

[B]

No, but yeah. Yeah. Well, either way, I think that's fine. Frankly, I think somehow I think if they just moved in with each other, it's. It's almost like worse of the friend because, like, why do you need that guy to live with you? Like, just get a different roommate, literally.

[A]

Why. Why aren't you living with the other girl?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, that's tough. What the.

[B]

I think you're right. It's out of sight, out of sight, out of mind. Like you gotta. And you just can't hang out at that house. I don't know. That's a weird friendship. I. There's not enough context in there to really kind of, you know, insult the friend too much because you just don't know. But that is weird. Like living with your friends, ex, whatever, don't do that. That's just pretty disrespectful.

[A]

Like, no, like, where are your morals?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, take yourself out of that situation. Like, put yourself in that situation. If you were the other person, how would you feel?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You would want your best friend to move in with your.

[B]

Yeah. That's terrible.

[A]

And crazy.

[B]

Five year relationship is a pretty intense relationship. Right? That's very long. So it's not. You're not going to get over it in five minutes. So you just do not want to see that person.

[A]

No. And like when I see my friend's exes, like, they are nobody but my friend's ex. Like, that is what they are. Like, it is not even a candidate, not even a regular person. I am looking at them as my best friend's ex. So, like, how would you even continue to be friends with someone like that? Like, I can't see you as anything but an ex.

[B]

Well, that's just being a good friend.

[A]

True.

[B]

You know, so that's.

[A]

I can say one thing. I'm a good friend.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[A]

That's all I have going for me.

[B]

Yeah. This is not as good as bangering, by the way.

[A]

Yeah. Like you wish you got this one. I finished mine first, so I got first come first serve.

[B]

It also was over there.

[A]

No, it wasn't. I put it from that table to there.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So during go. Well, there's no more. So. Well, no more of these.

[B]

But I have one more down there.

[A]

There was one story that someone wrote in that was absolutely diabolical.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. I told Amy, like after it because I had so much to say, but I want to hear your Opinion. And I already talked about it, like, on the thing. So they might know the story time, depending on when this airs.

[B]

Last to know.

[A]

You're like, there's nobody else that needs to know only so you're the butt last. But I want to hear your opinion, so let's just go with Bella again. No, we can't. We have to switch it up. Okay. Emily.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Emily. She ends up being attracted to the chiropractor. The chiropractor is attracted to her. They.

[B]

Chiropractor's a guy.

[A]

Yes. So male and a female having sex at the chiropractor place. Both married in marriages.

[B]

Oh, both of them are.

[A]

Both of them.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They end up doing it over and over. They end up doing it at his house.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Where his wife also lives, but obviously she's not home.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Then he ghosts Emily, and Emily's like, what the f. Like, I liked him, like, I wanted him. I want his attention. Blah, blah. And then he pops back in. Emily books another chiropractor appointment. They do it again. The whole cycle starts over again.

[B]

Geez. Okay.

[A]

He ghosts her again.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But he told her that the last time he ghosted her was because he thought his wife was finding out and catching on. So maybe that's the same reason. We don't know. But that's just something that she gave. So this happens again. She's ghosted. She's like, how do I get his attention back? Yada, yada, yada. Share your thoughts.

[B]

Don't get his attention back. What do you mean, get his attention back? That's crazy. So I don't know that. I don't know what to say. Other than one, it's difficult for me to give her, like, helpful advice on how to get the guy when they're both having affairs. Like, I told you, the truth is.

[A]

Going to come out.

[B]

Yeah. I'm very against that. So I don't. Like, you cannot be having an affair when you're married, in a relationship, whatever. Like, have some decorum, you know?

[A]

But you said something earlier about the whole, like, oh, like, you're married. You haven't had someone popping up on your phone.

[B]

Yes. So that's what I think. So I think, you know, if you're in a relationship that maybe has gone a little dormant, if you will, which happens. Ebb and flow. Then I think, like I said, in kind of the other situation, I think you just get an amplified infatuation with the situation more than the person. So, like, explain that like, you lost me. You just like the emotions are flowing for the first time in a long time. Right. Like you no longer maybe have that spark and attraction with your husband.

[A]

Giddiness.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. That flutter in your tummy, that's like a new person.

[B]

So you're texting them, you know, you're all this. And it's kind of something that's, you know, shouldn't be done. And there's always kind of a level of, you know, tension with that. And so you kind of just get involved in the situation. And I think that in those situations, it kind of just transpires. And I think you just have to take a step back and think about the situation you're doing. 1. I'm very, very against cheating. You know, it's just from a long way. So it's just like that. I don't think you should ever be in a situation to cheat. You shouldn't. You should not cheat. You shouldn't even put yourself.

[A]

What do you mean? In a situation? Like, don't put yourself in that situation.

[B]

Like, yeah, my parents have a saying like, you shouldn't. It's not good enough not to cheat. Like, you shouldn't even be in situations where there's an opportunity to cheat. Cheat.

[A]

I love that so much.

[B]

Yes. So you really have to just recognize when a situation is going too far. Whether it is a friend with an op opposite sex that's kind of breaching the line or the skyrocket. Like, you just have to stop things and just have a little bit of respect for your partner, but also yourself. Like, you gave your word. Be a person of your word. And if you are starting to get attracted to other people or whatever, leave your partner. Like, it's not difficult to do that. Like, you can't be cheating and like.

[A]

People are attracted to other people. I. I've been in relationships and I've still seen a Hawkeye walk past the street and I'm like, oh, he's very good looking. You can be attracted to other people while you're still in a relationship. That is normal. But don't put yourself in the situation, like you said, where it could go even further.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And like, in my opinion, if I went to a chiropractor and he was stunning, just my type. I was like, kind of turned on when he was doing whatever he was doing to me. I'd be like, there are billions of other chiropractors and why the would I go to this one and like, even have these thoughts that I'm feeling bad about, you know what I mean?

[B]

You have to do that. And. And.

[A]

And that takes. Like. You need to do that yourself.

[B]

Yeah. Of course.

[A]

No one should have to tell you to do that.

[B]

No, no. So you got to do that. But again. And then if you're in that situation and you let it kind of snowball, then of course it's just very amplified. You're very difficult to get out. You've taken it too far. But I got no advice for Emily or whatever. Like, don't be doing that. That's.

[A]

We are not telling you how to get his attention.

[B]

No, don't get his attention or leave your husband and then go out and do it. But like.

[A]

But make that full decision. You have so many things that you've skipped and looked over and haven't done. That is gonna bite you in the.

[B]

Yeah. And who knows? I don't know if there's kids involved or whatever, but you cannot be living a double life that way. It's just not okay.

[A]

And the juice gonna come out. I'm bad karma.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Like bad karma.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Something bad's gonna happen.

[B]

Yeah. So if you know. Advice for her other than we do know.

[A]

I'm not telling you what to do, how to get the attention.

[B]

Don't get his attention. Go back to your husband and take him on a date or something.

[A]

Should she tell him though? I doubt she would.

[B]

I doubt she would tell him.

[A]

And like, the moral is she should.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I know neither of us would be in this situation, but if we.

[B]

Were, I think you got it. So I used to think that if you cheated on someone, then you should just not tell them and you just gotta break up with them immediate. Like, you just gotta break up with them because you're putting it on them that they've been cheated in anyone. Again, I haven't been in this situation, so I'm not going to judge or give advice and something. I. I have not been cheated on. But I imagine you start to think that it was your fault. What's wrong with it never is. And so I always thought that that is not okay to put that guilt onto someone else. Now it's their decision whether to break up with you or not. But I now since think that the best thing is transparency and honesty and you should give that person the opportunity to make their own decision. So if she's gonna do something, you know, step up and be honest and say, I screwed up. I did this. This is the situation. And give him the opportunity to either walk away or build their.

[A]

But if she doesn't want to even be with him anymore.

[B]

She, she just, oh, if she does, then I don't know. Because then there's like, you know, he's gonna be like, oh, my God, this is so out of the blue. I don't, so I don't know. I, I, it's difficult to give advice on that situation. Just do what you think. But I think the moral is, like, you cannot be doing both. Make a decision and then, and do it like.

[A]

Yeah, and not for Emily. But so many times I get people messaging me being like, how do I get this guy's attention? Okay, are there ways in which females. Obviously it's not going to work every single time, but are there things that females can do that get the majority of males attention in what, in a good way? Like, not like posting a bikini pic, you know, like, you know what I mean?

[B]

Well, like, is this a scenario? Like, this is someone you kind of barely know and you're trying to get their attention, or you're kind of like, you guys like each other and you're just trying to move it along a little faster? I think those are different scenarios.

[A]

Okay, true. So I'm gonna imagine it. Cause this is how I took it to be. How you know each other, but you're nothing. And it hasn't gotten anywhere other than just like someone that you pass by and say hi to. How do you get the attention? Or even, let's say this, you're at a bar or you're at school. Because some people are in high school that ask me these questions. You're at a bar, you're at your high school, and you want this guy that, you know, we both know each other, exist, but you're not anything. You don't Snapchat or text or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, for all ages.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

But how would someone get the attention.

[B]

Get their attention in person or otherwise?

[A]

Both.

[B]

So, I mean, I think the, the biggest thing, at least in my experience, that girls do to signal that they want a guy to come talk to them is just eye contact. Like, they just look at you. Okay. If a girl is looking at you and holding that, or they break the eye contact and you look over again and they're looking at you.

[A]

Called eye fucking.

[B]

It's called whatever.

[A]

Called eye fucking.

[B]

Sure. That is just like walk over there, you know that's her, like holding a big sign that says, come talk to me.

[A]

Or she's, I'm interested.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or she's catching whatever she's hearing from the other girl is some about you and you're about to Be a big trouble.

[B]

I think that is the biggest signal. But I. To be honest, I know it is very. For girls. They want guys to be a little bit more like, they want them to be masculine and lead and take charge. And if he's going to talk to me, man up and go talk.

[A]

He'd do it. If you wanted to, he will.

[B]

Yes, I agree with that to a certain point. But I also think if you are the one, regardless of your guy or girl, if you are the one that's saying, I, oh, my God, I really want to talk to him, then to be honest, you owe it to yourself. Make the first thing. You don't have to make the first move. You don't have to go crazy, send a message and say, hey, like, where are you going tonight? Or, good to see you or whatever. Like, at least give some opening. And then they will do it. And some girls will never do that because they're, like, scared that, you know.

[A]

If they say anything, it's their first move. And.

[B]

Sure. But like, again, like, that would. It would mean. It would be a positive thing if someone was like, hey, it was good to see you, or whatever. And you don't even have to say anything. Send a punctuation mark for all I care. Like, just send something. If you are the one that's like, I wish we were talking. Because I think you owe it to yourself more than anything else to say. Like, I want to see.

[A]

Not what if.

[B]

Yes. And then if the guy does nothing, then he either doesn't like you or he's just a wimp, you know, so. And whatever. So.

[A]

And what do we do when people don't like us? We don't go for them.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, So I think that's totally fine for you as a girl to, you know, give a signal. And if it's in person, it's always eye contact. But just send a message. I don't know. And you don't have to go out of your way and say, I really want you to take me on a date. Although, whatever.

[A]

Just start a combo.

[B]

Just start a combo and then let him do it.

[A]

Do you think guys, like, what's the whole thing on girls approaching a guy, like, at a bar or out or.

[B]

Whatever happens all the time.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

Or is it like, I don't know. I think it's totally fine. It's. To be honest, I think maybe girls think about it more than we do. Like, I don't think it is masculine for a girl to go up to a guy that she finds Attractive and wants to talk to her and just, like, saying, hey, I think it's confident. Yeah, it's great. So do that if you want to do that, you know? And granted, like I said, if a girl's giving you eyes and you want to go like, you catch the. Be a man and walk up. But also, like, I think it's no shade. Like, if you want to talk to someone, go talk to them. I'm very. If you feel a certain way, do something. If you want to do it, do it. So just.

[A]

Yeah, perfect. Perfect answer. Well said. Okay, next question. Okay, these are kind of quick. Like, you can give a yes or no answer or you can explain. Do men compare their current girl to their exes?

[B]

I haven't, but I would think it's. I would think it's pretty natural to do that.

[A]

I've done it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, no offense, but I've done it. Okay, what's. Okay. Icks that guys have about girls?

[B]

Oh, this one's tough for me because I don't actually. Someone asked me that the other day, and I couldn't really answer because I just find girls. Icks about guys hilarious. Like, guys who are, like, struggling with their umbrella or something, or they trip over a puddle. That's, like, biggest act. I don't know X everyone has.

[A]

Or then, okay, if we can't do X, what's a red flag that, like, if a girl did, you'd be like, whoa, it's a bad sign.

[B]

A red flag for me, I think, is a girl that is aggressively trying to make you jealous. So, like, someone who is just like, oh, my God, I'm trying to get this guy's attention, so let me, you.

[A]

Know, make it with his friend.

[B]

Yes. And see, and. And to be honest, that is just me personally. Like, I'm not. I don't really get jealous. I get, like, more irritated. Like, if I'm talking to someone and, you know, I just. I don't feel some guys will say, oh, my God, this girl is super hot.

[A]

But then that says a lot about them.

[B]

I need to compete to get this girl and other guys. I just happen to be in this camp. We'll be like, oh, you know, she's doing what she wants to do. She doesn't want to give me the attention. It's all cool. Like, I don't feel slighted by that at all. But that does not attract me to someone if they're, like, aggressively trying to make you jealous. Yeah. So that's probably the bigger red flag to me. I don't have, you know, there's not too many things. Like I said, I try and have a judge of character about who someone is. So if I think someone is a really good person and kind person, to be honest, they probably can get away with more. Like, it's. It's less about what they do and more about who they are. Just in my, you know, brain.

[A]

You have great answers, like, to a.

[B]

G. I'm just trying to be honest.

[A]

No, you are. But there's nothing else. Like a red flag. I mean, like, I'm trying to think about it, too.

[B]

A red flag, I would think is, so if someone's aggressively trying to make you jealous. I used to think a red flag would be someone, you know, how people you know will be like, oh, if someone's been with a lot of people, that's a red flag. But I also think potentially a red flag is if you have been someone where you're like, I've fallen in love 10 times. Like, I've been in love 10 times. But it's. It's really.

[A]

So you don't care? Like, would you ever ask a girl about their number?

[B]

No. No, I just wouldn't care. I wouldn't.

[A]

What if they asked you?

[B]

Would you be honest if it was my significant other? I will be honest. I won't hide anything. I don't expect them to answer, but it's not a. It's not anything weird, crazy, wild. Like, it's totally normal. So if they want to know, I will tell them. But it's not like. Yeah, but I think that maybe I used to think that would be a red flag, but it's difficult because I care so much more about what someone does for me, to me, with me, not before me. And so I. It's just not something I think about a lot. Like, I really judge a person's character based on who they are with me and how they treat, you know, strangers and other people and their family dynamics. So it's tough. I don't have a list. I wish I had a list of, like, icks and red flags because I get asked all the time. I just don't have that list.

[A]

But at the same time, like, I like that you said that. Because I have been in phases of my life where I am, like, a bitch or I have been, like, you know, different. So it is truly as to, like, how you are now, where you are, you. You are who you are. You've learned everyone makes mistakes. Nobody's perfect. So me meeting someone today, this is who I am. I'M not who I was when I was 15, 16 years old. I'm like, that's when I was a. But that's like totally different. And I don't, I think if I meet someone, let's say in three years and that's my person, I do not care what they're doing right now because three years later they found me. I literally said that the other day to Amy. I was like, I don't care. What? Like I don't care. Your backstory? Yes, it's a little concerning if you were a bit of a hoe for a long time, but like, I don't care that you were in long term relationships or this or that. Like, if you cheated, that's a different story. Because, like that.

[B]

Yeah, that's a non starter for me. But.

[A]

Yeah, but like, oh, that's like, you wouldn't date someone if they said they cheated before?

[B]

Probably not. Yeah.

[A]

Even if they said it was a mistake, I would never do it again.

[B]

It would be very difficult for me. But it depends on how early I think that came up. If that came up really early, then I probably would walk away because I wouldn't be so invested and I think just, you know, it's just a safer play. But if I actually got to know someone and like you said, I still thought that they were a good person. I trust my judge of character more than, you know, a mistake they made. I think people deserve second chances. I, you know, in a relationship, I would not give that second chance, but I know tons of people that have and they are in very strong, amazing relationships after that. And I just don't have that ability. But I got nothing but respect for that. So it's just, you just decide in the moment.

[A]

Fortunately, I have given this second chance and it never changes.

[B]

Yeah, well, okay.

[A]

Second chance is never worth it. If they do it once, they're going to do it again.

[B]

I think some people not.

[A]

But yeah, maybe I think they'll do it. If they do it once to somebody, they'll do it again to that person. Maybe they, five years down the line have learned their lesson and whatever. But if you continue and you go back with a cheater, I think they're always going to cheat.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, if you say, okay, like I hate that you did that, you get in a big fight, but, like, I'm taking you back. It's basically saying like, what you did was, okay, I'm gonna be back even if you do that again.

[B]

Okay, yeah, fair enough.

[A]

I, I don't know, but that might Be my perspective.

[B]

This is not my area of expertise. I have not, you know, it's clearly mine. To my knowledge, I haven't been cheated on and I have never cheated, so I just don't know enough about it. But I have seen situations where someone cheated and they were honest about it and it made the relationship stronger and good for them. And I have seen situations like you're talking where people did that and then they kept doing it and it's just a shitty environment. I just don't like to be around it. Yeah.

[A]

Wow. I mean, I guess there's hope, but. Okay, last question and then if you have any questions for me. Do you have any questions for me?

[B]

I can come up with a question. Sure.

[A]

What would you ask me?

[B]

I will. Let me get to that.

[A]

Okay. Oh, someone said if a guy tells me I'm too emotional. What does that even mean? Like she cries.

[B]

If guy tells you you're too emotional.

[A]

Maybe that's just a man they can't deal with.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't have any sisters though and you're, I feel like in touch with your emotions.

[B]

I don't have sisters. My mother is very emotionally intelligent, very emotionally mature, you know, and so we learned a lot from her. But again, I told you like I have incredible sister in laws so I have seen that side of things. So no, I don't have sisters. But I, you know, I don't know, I try and understand how long does.

[A]

It take for a man to know they want something serious?

[B]

Oh boy. I know pretty quickly, I would say just me personally, I know pretty quickly. I think maybe two to five dates you probably know if that's your person.

[A]

I feel like on the first you feel it.

[B]

Yeah, you feel and then you hope.

[A]

That it's felt the other way. And then after like the second date, if it still goes well and you go to a third and third still goes well, I think it's like, yeah, game time.

[B]

I think that's fair because I think you need first the first date, you know, the, you know, attraction, electricity, vibe of someone you're clicking. It's very easy.

[A]

It's like a feeling.

[B]

Yes, it's a very, I'm very feeling based. And then I think the second and third and whatever more it takes you to get to know someone's character, their vibe. Because I think a relationship, a good relationship, at least from what I've seen, is as much about attraction and that energy and clicking and knowing each other's personalities as it is as much about like the lifestyle you want To. Yeah, right. Like, are you aligned? Yes. Do you want the same life? Can you handle the same risks? You know, like I said, my brothers, I bet they would not want to live my life, but I have a high respect for what they're doing, and it's just that way. So it's just lifestyle, I think, is as important as anything else. And so it probably takes a little bit longer to figure that part out.

[A]

I would love to be able to be like, that content person that got together with her high school crush and then was just fine and stayed in their hometown. And, like, I could fucking never. I ripped my eyes out. But I think it's so amazing. Like, you're so calm. Whatever. Like, there's been so many times that I've been in situations that it's like, so crazy of a change if you pick A or B. And I feel like they just aren't. Haven't experienced as much of that.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's just about where you put your attention. You know, they put their attention in, you know, their family life, and they like a quieter environment, a slower environment, and they like to go on the odd trips. You know, I am very. I honestly, lots of times I just like to jump on a plane. I like to go places. I like to do something. I have some sort of hunger inside me of why I'm trying to build this business. Success matters a lot to me. Not for the money, but for the freedom. And so I'm just trying to build a lifestyle with that. And I just, you know, there's just sacrifices that come to that. So it's just what you care about in the world, you know? But.

[A]

Yeah, and what's your questions?

[B]

For me, do they have to be relationship questions?

[A]

No, I just tend to talk about that a lot because everyone has questions. That's what they normally ask me.

[B]

Right. Well.

[A]

But the people want to know. So if you have anything to out me of.

[B]

To be honest, I actually would like to know, just given what you're doing in life. Like, you actually, I think, to be honest, you are a lot more successful than you give yourself credit for. You.

[A]

That's me.

[B]

And it's very inspiring. But I think I would actually be curious to know if there's anyone in your life that you are inspired by or anyone in your life that you feel like you are very proud of.

[A]

I'm proud of, like, obviously, everyone just. I think, okay, as much as I don't ask my dad and, like, mom questions about how they got to where they are. Yeah, they have done so much like, my parents worked. My mom worked three jobs. My dad worked two, if I'm correct, and didn't come from money. They did very well for themselves. I've never had to worry about money. I've worried about other things. So I'm not perfect, but I've never had to worry about that because they worked so hard. I think that is so inspiring.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I don't talk about it a lot because I don't want them to feel like they have to help me. Like, I want to do this one on my own, and I don't want to get to where I am because of them, because they didn't get to where they were because of their parents. They did it on their own. I want to do it on my own. Yes, they help me. And that's not to say that they don't, like, you know, financially. They've helped me a lot, this and that. They've helped me a lot emotionally, but they inspire me in a way of doing it that I don't want to ask for much help. I want to do something for myself, and it just keeps pushing me. I'm like, if they did it, I want to do it like, I'm your kid, I must have that, you know, in me.

[B]

So that is good parenting. That's them instilling, like, a work ethic. Yes, that's what that is.

[A]

And that's what my parents always say. It's. It's hard to come by somebody that has a great work ethic now, especially. And especially around my age, like, in their young 20s. I feel like a lot of people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't work as hard anymore. What did Kim Kardashian say? Something like, no one wants to work anymore.

[B]

I'm not up to.

[A]

But it's like. But it's true. Like, not a lot of people, you know, are working as hard or as long hours. But I still think the work that we're doing now is a lot more mentally draining than it was at the time. So I think a lot of things have changed. But they inspire me because I'm just like, holy. I want them to look at me and be like, you did even more than, like, we didn't even know that you could do this or you were capable of this. Like, we believed in you. But that's crazy.

[B]

I think they do see that.

[A]

I think so, too, but I try to think they don't. It's fire in my butt.

[B]

Okay, good.

[A]

And Molly Mae. Fucking love Molly Mae. Molly Mae. Everything she touches turns into Gold. I'm like, you. Like, you could do anything. She could do a cartwheel. And cartwheels are trending. Like, obviously that's a little weird, but, like, you know what I mean? Great example, you know Molly Mae?

[B]

No.

[A]

What the fuck? You need to follow up on my. You probably wouldn't care.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

She's great.

[B]

If she's so inspiring, I'd love to know her.

[A]

She's just an influencer. Not just an influencer. Yeah, she's an amazing influencer.

[B]

And what does.

[A]

She did start her own brand.

[B]

Okay, what brand?

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

Maybe, maybe. Is it a.

[A]

Mark my words, someday Molly Mae will be on my podcast.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's a big job.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, That's.

[A]

And that's after two drinks.

[B]

Few steps after me, I suppose, but yeah.

[A]

Okay. Next. Silly Boys. Where's the name come from? I forgot to ask.

[B]

The name comes from. Actually, I call Waterloo Silicon Valley of Canada just because, like, we had literally, like BlackBerry for a little bit. We just thought it was like a tech hub. And I just said that. And so I have a group of friends and we just all are from Waterloo in the region and we just called each other the Silly Boys. And so that's why in the logo there's seven faces, because it's a tribute to everyone in the friend group. And so that's just how the name came. And I actually really did not love it at first. First, I had a different.

[A]

I love Silly Boys. What was the other company name?

[B]

It was much worse. It was. It was much worse. It was Liberty 3 because we lived in Liberty Village and there's three of us in the house. And I just thought, oh, Silly Boys is going to be too kind of childish and whatever.

[A]

It's fun, it's playful and it's like. Also, like, you could think of it like someone buying it could buy it because it's, you know, because they were a silly boy growing up. Or they're buying it because they're into silly boys or they're buying it because they think silly means bad. And whatever, you know, it's a silly boy. Like, I think it's like a sexy thing to wear.

[B]

So, like, truly, that's actually what it is. Like, and. And I actually spend a lot of time trying to educate people on what I think silly means. Like, yeah, what is. Some people will be like, oh, my God, you're so silly. Like, why aren't you taking ads with you, jumping on cars and doing card fills in the street? I'm like, to me, silly is not like, crazy and outrageous and in your face and aggressive. It is more like, you know, inspiring and fun loving. And you're silly and you're trying to be true to yourself. To be honest, like I said, I lived a corporate life for a long time, and you just kind of don't kind of suppress a little bit of yourself out of fear. And so I think a big part of what I'm trying to do with the brand is just to say, you know, it's okay to take a little bit of risk and just be yourself. And so that's what really silly means to me. And Silly Boys is not only for men. It's very, you know, it's very inclusive. So I think that's just what the kind of the brand is trying to do. And that's what, you know, I'm doing my best.

[A]

To me, silly could mean so many things.

[B]

So many things.

[A]

Like, I think if I was like, oh, I'm so silly, like, that's. Or if I said, you're so silly, that's like, you're so weird. Like, in the best way.

[B]

In the best way. Yes, absolutely. And I think it's just very freeing to be your silly self. Like, just don't take yourself seriously. Don't be so scared about what everybody thinks. Like, if you like something, if you love someone. If you love someone, just live how you want to live, you know?

[A]

And where can you buy your merch.

[B]

Or find you sillyboys apparel.com. and we have an Instagram and TikTok, and you just find us that way.

[A]

You'll get. You'll get to know very well.

[B]

I don't know. You want to spend some time on the Tiki, Tom?

[A]

That's what I say. But it's. It's silly.

[B]

It is very silly. Yeah. And it was very fun starting it when I still had my job.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's going crazy.

[B]

Yeah. Because I was not that personality a lot of the time at work, so that was kind of fun for me. Yeah.

[A]

Well, thanks for coming on.

[B]

Hey, I had a really good time.

[A]

Were you nervous?

[B]

I was nervy derby for a while.

[A]

You're nervy. Nerves.

[B]

Yeah. But I just. Because I didn't prepare. I didn't want to prepare because I wanted to just see what would. What would.

[A]

This is your first podcast.

[B]

It's my first podcast. Yeah.

[A]

I stole your podcast. Virginity.

[B]

Yeah. You did.

[A]

Virginity. Virginity.

[B]

Virginity.

[A]

You're like, one more time.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Spark notes that.

[A]

Okay. Thank you guys for listening. I will see you next Thursday. Love.