Why Modern Dating Feels Like A Game You Can’t Win | Sip & Tell w/ Devin Michaels

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Why Modern Dating Feels Like A Game You Can’t Win | Sip & Tell w/ Devin Michaels"

Introduction In this episode of Tall Blonde, host Sarah Lauren delves deep into the complexities of modern dating with her guest, Devin Michaels—a prominent content creator and branding guru with nearly 200k followers. Presented by MBHTV, the conversation is a candid exploration of dating dynamics, personal branding, and the challenges of maintaining genuine connections in a digital age.

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Making Dirty Martinis: Breaking the Ice

The episode kicks off with a fun and engaging segment where Sarah and Devin decide to make dirty martinis together. This interactive segment serves as a backdrop for their ensuing discussion, allowing them to naturally transition into deeper topics.

• Notable Quote:
  Sarah (00:52): “We are making dirty martinis. So the guests I have, you might have seen them on TikTok…”

Personal Branding and Social Media

Devin shares insights into his journey as a content creator, highlighting the transition from tech sales to full-time branding. He discusses the importance of authenticity in his content and how his behind-the-scenes insights have garnered a passionate following.

• Notable Quote:
  Devin (11:07): “I've been doing that. Yeah. For about eight months now.”

Dating Dynamics and Personal Experiences

A significant portion of the podcast is dedicated to dissecting modern dating. Devin and Sarah exchange personal anecdotes, discussing the challenges of maintaining relationships, the impact of social media, and the fine line between flirting and seeking meaningful connections.

• Notable Quotes:
  Sarah (16:42): “So, are you like a long term dater? Like you don't just date today?”
  Devin (16:46): “I’d say right now, like my age, I would probably have to like kind of settle down a little bit.”

The Role of Social Media in Relationships

The conversation delves into how social media influences dating life. Devin expresses a pragmatic view, acknowledging that while social platforms can aid in recognition and confidence, they can also introduce complexities and perceptions that may not always be beneficial.

• Notable Quote:
  Devin (45:20): “It depends if they know me or not. I think, like, clout is really a big thing, which is kind of wild.”

Navigating Long-Distance Relationships

Sarah poses a listener-submitted question about maintaining long-distance relationships. Both guests agree on the inherent difficulties, emphasizing the need for clear communication and mutual commitment to keep the relationship thriving despite physical distances.

• Notable Quote:
  Devin (46:47): “It's hard. I kind of went through it a little bit. It’s not as easy.”

Balancing Personal Life and Career

The discussion touches upon the delicate balance between pursuing a personal life and advancing one’s career. Devin shares his perspective on how relationships can impact professional growth, while Sarah reflects on her experiences of prioritizing her career over romantic endeavors.

• Notable Quote:
  Sarah (48:26): “I honestly think a relationship would hurt my career.”

Cheating and Trust in Relationships

Towards the latter part of the episode, the topic shifts to infidelity and trust. Devin admits to having cheated once in his past but emphasizes growth and learning from that mistake. Sarah shares her disdain for cheating, underscoring the importance of integrity in relationships.

• Notable Quotes:
  Devin (51:54): “I would never do it again. It was just like a hot like lust thing.”
  Sarah (51:43): “Have you ever been cheated on?”

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Sarah and Devin reflect on the insights shared, reinforcing the idea that while modern dating may feel like an unwinnable game, understanding oneself and maintaining authentic connections are key to navigating its challenges successfully.

• Notable Quote:
  Sarah (54:44): “Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.”

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Key Takeaways:

1. Authenticity in Branding: Building a genuine personal brand on social media requires transparency and consistency.
2. Modern Dating Challenges: The digital age has introduced new complexities in forming and maintaining relationships.
3. Social Media's Dual Role: While it can boost confidence and recognition, it also adds layers of complexity to personal interactions.
4. Importance of Communication: Clear and honest communication is vital, especially in long-distance relationships.
5. Personal Growth: Learning from past mistakes, such as infidelity, is essential for personal and relational development.

This episode offers a blend of lighthearted interaction through their cocktail-making segment and profound discussions on the intricacies of modern relationships, making it a valuable listen for anyone navigating the contemporary dating landscape.

Transcript

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If you tried to pursue someone, you'd be able to get them.

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I'd say, yeah.

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See, I can't keep.

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I don't know if that's a good.

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Thing to say or not, but I can't keep them.

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Maybe it's because you're drinking shots out of that thing.

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See, that's probably where I'm thrown off every day.

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That's probably why you're black and hell. Well, whenever they post something, it usually means their relationship's in crumbling.

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Yeah.

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Or they got a dog.

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Yeah.

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Oh, we got a dog.

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Closing the flowers on her story. He cheated. I've seen you flirting.

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Yeah, flirting. But it doesn't mean I'm looking.

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Are you?

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I'm just not sure where I want to end up. So I'm not sure if I want to be. If I want to stay in charge or not. I don't want to get something locked in and then have to like, leave.

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Hello everybody and welcome back to Z Blonde.

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Okay, I guess if that's what you're into. Actually, let me turn off my phone.

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I did only go to Jaer, so I didn't really go to my way.

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Last thing I need is somebody calling.

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Okay. Hello everybody and welcome back to Zolblonde. We have another guest today and we're doing something this time. So if you aren't watching, we are making dirty martinis. So the guests I have, you might have seen them on TikTok, you may have seen on Instagram trying on clothes, doing different things. It's Devin Michaels, a content creator with almost 200k followers and a branding guru who has built a passionate following with his behind the scenes insight. How did you like that? How did I do that?

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That was great. The guru was a nice topic.

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What did you think I was gonna say?

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I had no idea. No idea. But I'll take that.

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Are you scared at all for any of this?

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Not the drinking aspect, the questions maybe, but the drinking might help with the questions.

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I won't take it easy on the questions at all, so just wanna prepare you for that.

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Let it rip.

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Why dirty martinis? Cause you had that in one of your videos as well.

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That's actually a new thing for me. I'll be honest. I just started liking them probably two months ago and now I've think I've mastered making them at home and it's kind of my new hobby.

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You think?

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I think. I know.

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See, I make them like I've made it for years and they're my favorite drink, so I think I like Them more than you do. But I used to put like a. Not a shot of it, but, like, I used to keep it in instead of swishing it around. The vermouth.

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I don't know if you saw my video, but that's what I did. And I got cooked.

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Same.

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You're supposed to, like, just like, let it, like, sit.

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No, My father unfortunately, sometimes watches a lot of my Tiktoks and he's like, that should last you like 10 years.

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Oh, no, I was going like every 10 years.

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Ham. And I kind of like it. Like, it smells pretty good. Vermouth.

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Yeah, I wouldn't mind it.

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We're using Grey Goose vodka today because it was the only thing on Uber Eats. I don't know if the whole tariff thing. Not that we're going to get into politics, but the whole tariff thing. If I couldn't buy Tito's or was it just not available?

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I have no idea. Last time I went to the lcbo, there wasn't many Grey Goose left.

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Oh, really good. I got the big one.

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Yeah, smart. Works better.

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So let's put. Let's start off well, what's your start? Because you're making your zone in your. You're making your own martini in your cup.

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Correct.

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I'm gonna make mine. And then I say we taste test each other's.

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A little bias, but I'm gonna like mine more, I think. But we'll see.

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I don't know. Or maybe we close our eyes and someone switches it up and then we see which one. Cause we'll have it in the same class.

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Let's do it.

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Okay.

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Obviously, ice.

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Obviously. Okay, you start with ice.

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Let's go with. I guess we'll put it in the bin.

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I'm gonna hit you with my first hard hitting question. Okay. Right now, what do you want?

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No, let's do it.

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You want a little sh. Do it. Okay. First hard hitting question is, how tall.

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Are you on, like, dating apps or in real life?

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What do you mean? What do you. What do you mean? What do you mean? Like. Yeah, let's start with dating apps.

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No, I'm. I'm six two. Well, actually six. 1.78 to be exact. But I think at that point you can round up a little bit. So just under six two.

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Okay. So interesting because I'm five, nine and a half.

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Yeah.

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And I'm not wearing any heels.

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Yeah.

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So you. I would say maybe like 6:1, but.

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I don't know about that. I would say.

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I'm sorry.

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I measured recently. The doctor really yeah.

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Made sure I don't. The doctor's actually never measured me. Is that weird?

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Yeah, because you're lying.

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No, but, like, I've measured myself.

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Is this part of the drink or we're just doing a shot.

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I'm just pouring a little bit so we can have a little liquid courage. Last time I saw you was. Oh, no. Last time I saw you was cherries. But I was telling a story about one time when you were at.

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Oh, no.

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My house.

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Yeah.

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And you were playing Shrek.

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Oh, correct. Yes.

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Theme song.

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Yeah. Well, it's like a great soundtrack.

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Is that what you do when you go to after parties?

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That's what I do at my house. So there's no different. I was also Shrek for Halloween this year, so I think that's probably where we brought it up.

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And you went like, ham for Halloween.

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I always do.

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Like, you were full.

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I'm usually the only one of my friends that are all full dressed up. So next year I'm already planning. I'm trying to debate between a few. I'm not gonna toss it out there right now.

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Yeah. I don't spill the secrets.

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No.

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But I, like, will put my Pinterest boards for Halloween costumes on lock.

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Yeah.

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Just so that people.

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It's the only thing I get. You keep.

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Yeah.

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I'm gonna be a Teletubby.

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So for the. A Teletubby.

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I think so.

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So for the audience for. Let's go back to Shrek. What was the full costume? Take a shower first.

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Cheers. Oh.

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That was no chase before.

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My morning coffee is wild.

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Have you not had your morning coffee? It's 11:30. It's 11 something. No, it's a screenshot. It's 11:55.

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That's all right. Five o' clock somewhere.

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They say and they do.

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It actually wasn't that bad, which is kind of concerning.

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I know.

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It's probably the nice weather outside.

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Yeah. The sun really does change you and.

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Yeah, no, Shrek is just. I don't know. Love the movie saw. Shrek 5 is coming out, so it kind of motivated me to get a Shrek off.

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But you, like, painted yourself green.

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No, it was a mask.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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How did you get this ice? It's, like, stuck together.

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Wow. That was actually a great job. There you go. I think that one should be fine.

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Thank you. Perfect. Ice.

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Ice. Step one.

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Oh, wait. Okay.

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No, that's number step. That's first step.

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That's first step. I don't know if you're going to do this, but I'm Going to put the vermouth?

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Yeah, I'm gonna do the professional rinse thing now. That's what you're supposed to.

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Well, I'll let it sit for a bit.

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Oh, well, yeah, I think so.

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You know what I mean?

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Let's give it a go. Thank you. Are you not even measuring? You're just gonna go freehand?

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Oh, no, no. Well, this is just to coat the glass. You don't need to measure the vermouth.

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I don't know.

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That's wild.

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That's a rookie mistake.

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How much can you lift in the gym?

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That was before or after a show?

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You pouring and, like, somehow measuring led me to that question.

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Yeah. How? It depends. Honestly, a decent amount, considering, like, for my size, I'd say not bad. I'd say usually, like, bench press. Three plates before I popped out my shoulder.

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What does that mean, three plates?

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I can't even tell you the pounds. I think it's like, three something. Not bad. Okay, it's not bad.

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One time.

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Squats are pretty bad, though. My knees are busted from. Yeah, I can't go down very low.

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We'll talk about hockey in a second.

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Oh, God.

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But you want to get that one? Yes, please. I just don't want. No, I. Yeah. Don't look at my nails. Is that an ick? I just took my fake nails off.

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All right.

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When they're in, like, your trunk, they're in their rebranding period. Okay.

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Yeah, the repurpose.

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But is that an ick?

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No, I. Something I.

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Do you need, like, nice nails?

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No, honestly, I don't. Fine with natural. Yeah, I do. Honestly, I will judge 100%.

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No, they're really bad. You can't.

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That's fine. They're not that bad.

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They're clean.

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That's all that matters.

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And that's all that matters.

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It's not bad. Honestly, like, whenever I travel, like, Europe and stuff, like Denmark, Sweden, they none of them have their nails done.

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Why do you travel so much to Denmark and Sweden?

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Family is from there, so just go visit.

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Oh, okay.

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They're all Danish, and it's a. It's a vibe over there.

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Okay, next step, I'm going to do.

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No, I'm doing, like, two and a half.

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I'm going to do two.

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All right.

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Because I have just had a crazy weekend.

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Oh, yeah. Obviously.

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Every time I see you is drinking. Do you not want to hang out with me when I'm sober?

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What cup is that? That's not an ounce. You think you just put in two.

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Okay, so I was Making a man is that hard?

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Massive.

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Okay, wait, then. Just a little.

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Look at this.

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I'm not driving. Are you driving?

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No.

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There you go.

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This isn't. Come on.

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See, that's probably where I'm thrown off every day.

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Because that's probably why you're blacking out.

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This is one that I brought from home. And I tend to do two of those every day.

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What about every day?

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Not every. Every time. I'm making a dirty martini.

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Every day is a little concerning. That's maybe something we should discuss, but that's all right.

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I don't know about that. Okay, so since you mentioned hockey.

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Yes. Two and a half. Two shots of vodka.

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Two shots of vodka. You do tend to, like, mention it a lot.

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Like, in content or just in general? I don't really bring it up ever. Except for content.

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Sometimes it's on your Patreon.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Ex athlete.

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Yeah, well, athlete. Yeah. It doesn't sum the sport up, but I guess if you look at me, you're kind of like, you know, it's not basketball.

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Yeah.

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It could be hockey.

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Well, with your 6, 2 and above, just under 16. I also got these, if you're wondering why. Yeah, I'm so prepared. I do have this thing where I steal some things from the bar sometimes.

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I think it's from Grey Goose.

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Yeah. So they sent me these because I put a tick tock about how I stole, which everyone does a few times. I got a few backlashes. Like, you steal. Have you ever stolen before?

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Every. Not every day, but I was gonna.

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Say every day from the bar. I won't.

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Yeah, you have to.

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Okay.

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For old time's sake, you have to.

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What have you stolen?

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That's probably mostly cups. I think I was younger or maybe a sign or something like that. But then obviously, just, like, random stuff that you need. Cups, like. I'm not trying to spend money on cups.

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One time I borrowed a shopper's sign.

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Olive juice.

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Olive juice.

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The best thing. I didn't know you could buy it. But no free ad, so. Great stuff, though.

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But if they want to make.

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But if they want to reach out.

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To this again, Dirty sue, we will.

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Do you know where to reach me?

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Around you?

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No, I was gonna do it for you, but.

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Perfect.

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No, I'm not letting you use my.

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Sorry.

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I'm not letting you cheat.

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Oh, I did the vodka first, so you do this first.

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Fine.

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And I don't even have one of those, so you have to. So this is dirty. What's it called?

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Dirty Martini. Oh, Dirty Sue.

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Dirty Sue. Thank God for Dirty Sue.

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Thank God for Dirty Sue. How does Dirty sue smell like? Honestly, exactly how you would think. It's more potent, so be a little bit careful on that. Like, it's more potent than just, like, the olives juice.

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Well, so maybe what I'm going to do is mix some of the olive Dirty sue with the actual juice.

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If you want to lose, go for it.

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Why did you feel as though these weren't quality quality?

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Because it's just a basic brand. Maybe I'm too bougie now with, like.

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Yeah, like, we don't need to reinvent the wheel here.

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That's true.

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That's not broken. One time I went over breakfast and they tried to, like, put pomegranates on my avocado toast. And I was like, no, we're trying way too hard.

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I already did mine. Thank you.

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Yours are welcome. I hope this is accurate.

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We'll find out.

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So how has. You're just doing content now, right?

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Yeah, right now. For the past, like, seven, eight months, I would say. So I was working, like, tech sales a little bit before, and then they let go a bunch of people. So I was just like, okay, whatever. What? I just put a little bit of vermouth in here.

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Apparently, you're not supposed to.

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I know, but rules are meant to be broken, and this is good.

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All right, I'm gonna. Well, since rules are meant to be broken, I'm gonna put an actual two olives in the shaker while I'm.

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You don't usually do that. You don't usually do that.

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I might.

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That's just for the camera.

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You have no idea. Did I make a dirty martini when you were overplaying Shrek?

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No, I think.

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I think I did.

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No, I was drinking coolers, I think, in the fridge. I could be wrong. I was in one that day.

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So you've.

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Yeah, that was.

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We were all in one that day.

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A Sunday brunch, I think. And I was all day. I supposed to go for, like, two hours and I.

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Wait, that wasn't a Sunday brunch. Oh, that was. I was referring to the night that it was the event.

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Oh, no, different. The Sunday brunch.

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How often have you been over?

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Twice, maybe.

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Well, do you have a really good time?

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So I guess.

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You never ask us how much I've been drinking when we're sober.

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I know.

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You haven't asked to ask us. You haven't asked to hang out with us.

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That's so true. We can all hang out. We can all Hang out sober. We'll go for. Not brunch, we'll go for a walk.

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Okay, everyone close your ears cuz it's going to be loud.

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Is it?

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Right, Got it.

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I'm. Every time I do this, I'm so scared it's just going to go everywhere. But I'm fine.

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We can clean up.

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I'm sure that sounds great for anyone.

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With headphones on right now, but we can move it. Okay.

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Perfect amount. Oh, we got to keep steaking. You got to get it cold. There you go. Easy. Perfect.

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Like, I feel like I'm missing something.

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Honestly, I was thinking the same thing because I was like, we're talking. I'm not a good multitasking. Like, I'm a guy, so I can't really multitask.

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What are you good at?

[B]

Not much. Besides dressing well.

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Oh, I'm not supposed to open it.

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Why not?

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Because I have to pour it out of this, correct?

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. You have the top cover. That's right.

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And I'm gonna let it cool.

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Okay.

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Also, I'm not gonna tell you something. So you do what you need to do because I feel like you're gonna fuck up something.

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This is not my first rodeo, to be honest. Usually I would have the cups like sit. What is in? What's in this?

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Oh, c. Yeah, that's what I thought you were.

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I almost fucked up. Almost fucked up. Gotta put in the sink.

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Almost forgot to pour the vermouth.

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Almost.

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Apparently.

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No, usually I'll chill the glass. Oh, usually I would have like the glass in the freezer. This is a rookie mistake. I get it.

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If you came earlier, you could have given yourself a heads up.

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That is very true. That is very true. I'll blame the Uber for that.

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There you go.

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Traffic was actually wild, but that's just Toronto. Are you pouring it in? All right.

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Mine looks like crap. Really good.

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It actually does look pretty good. I'll give you that.

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Oh, also, do you like.

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I think mine's a little bit darker. I do same.

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Oh, no, but I'm not done.

[B]

Well. Oh, whoa. That's an aggressive move. Especially with those crappy olives.

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Oh, please. And how many? I'm not done yet.

[B]

Well, ladies first, so me.

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Okay, but you're supposed to tell me what you're good at.

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This.

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Because actually you got a lot on there.

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You gotta do. I know. To be honest, I was very lucky. Usually I'm like, tough.

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I'm like trying to see how much I can fit on this thing.

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There we go. I think I'm done.

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Would that be your drink of choice? Like when you're out?

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Yes and no. I like them, but it's like I can make them at home and I think they're the very overpriced at restaurants. They are. They are.

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Everything's over brains.

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Yeah, that's true.

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So then what would you get if you weren't going to get a dirty martini?

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My new drink is actually a tequila. Ginger ale is pretty good. Rum and coke. But everyone makes fun of me for that because it's like a child drink, which I understand, but it is. Or just a basic beer is my go to if I want to.

[A]

But you can't keep going with those. Those you can set me on fire.

[B]

You can, but you'd probably calm down at some point. Yeah.

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Okay. Cheers. Oh, wait. Should we try each other's first? Yeah.

[B]

Yes. There we go. I don't know how I like the color of it. Smell it.

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I'll be honest.

[B]

Gotta like. It's honestly good.

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You have to get it under your tongue.

[B]

I know the palate. I'm gonna drink the whole thing.

[A]

This is pretty fucking good. I don't even know if I want mine. We'll see. I'm gonna put this up here to see.

[B]

Try mine now. See how it actually is. Honestly, they're pretty similar.

[A]

They're pretty similar, but yours is a little stronger and I don't mind the strength. Actually. No, mine is a better aftertaste.

[B]

That's debatable.

[A]

But mine for sure is better aftertaste. Yours was like kind of funky.

[B]

Well, that's because honestly, you're not wrong. I would give you yours. It's probably a little bit better. Yeah. Just because of the after taste. Yeah.

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Then maybe I think yours is a little better. That's so sweet. You nailed it.

[B]

Thank you.

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Now we have to actually drink it and finish.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

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What did you think I was gonna ask you?

[B]

I don't know. I've seen the podcast, so it's like I could. Anything could come up.

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Do you think I'm a little weird with talking about dating so often?

[B]

No.

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Do you think I'm a little weird in general?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Really? In what way?

[B]

No, you're fine.

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Do you like weird? Weird is good.

[B]

Weird's good. You need some personality. I need character.

[A]

Right. So what do you look for when you're looking for a woman? Since you're single? Are you looking? You're looking ish. I've seen you flirting.

[B]

Yeah, flirting. But it doesn't mean I'm looking like.

[A]

You know, so are you.

[B]

I'm just not sure where I want to end up. So I'm not sure if I want to be, if I want to stay in Toronto or not. Kind of over Toronto. So it's like I don't want to, you know, get something locked in and then have to like leave.

[A]

So are you like a long term dater? Like you don't just date today?

[B]

I'd say right now, like my age, I would probably have to like kind of settle down a little bit. Just like make sure the next person should probably maybe be. Hopefully I could probably make like one more mistake. But I would probably say one more mistake.

[A]

You call a non lasting relationship a mistake?

[B]

Not a mistake.

[A]

I've made a lot of mistakes in my life.

[B]

A memory. A memory, Right.

[A]

When's your longest relationship?

[B]

Three years.

[A]

It's pretty good.

[B]

Yeah. Not bad. I know, it's pretty good, right?

[A]

Mine's five years. We had one break. Okay, five years, not days.

[B]

I didn't.

[A]

Sorry. Recently. Recently I can. So I was thinking about this last night actually. Do you consider yourself, like you can catch a lot of people like you, like, if you tried to pursue someone, you'd be able to get them?

[B]

I'd say yeah.

[A]

You think?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

See, I just.

[B]

I don't know if that's a good thing to say or not, but I.

[A]

Can'T keep them fucking.

[B]

Maybe it's because you're drinking shots out of that thing.

[A]

Well, I don't know if it's that or because I.

[B]

Why do you think that is?

[A]

Tend to talk a lot about dating online.

[B]

I could see how some people might be like kind of not turned off by it, but I think some people are a little uncomfortable with like people talking about it, but they should know that, getting into it.

[A]

Yeah, I would think. But like, I hope they don't see my socials. Are you like. Do you.

[B]

To be fair.

[A]

Yeah. Do you hope that people see yours?

[B]

No.

[A]

Because you post a lot of fashion content.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And lifestyle like you do drinking videos and things like that.

[B]

A little bit.

[A]

So are you happy when people see?

[B]

Yeah, I don't mind anymore. I used to care. That's why I started doing TikTok instead of Instagram because I didn't want anyone to see. I was like, all my friends are on Instagram. Ain't nobody got TikTok.

[A]

That's what I did too.

[B]

And then, and then it started to kind of like grow. And then now it's like, I can't hide it.

[A]

So.

[B]

Which is good. It means I'm doing something right. Yeah, no, I don't really care. I own it now. I used to be not embarrassed by it, but, like, now I don't give a shit.

[A]

Is it what you do full time?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you like it? Do you enjoy it?

[B]

I love it, yeah.

[A]

Does your family supportive?

[B]

They are now. They didn't really know what I was doing.

[A]

Do you have any siblings?

[B]

I have a brother. He's ten years older than me.

[A]

Ten years older?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So where is he?

[B]

He's in like 20 minutes away from me. Like the beaches.

[A]

Okay, that's not bad.

[B]

Yeah. Two daughters, so I got two nieces that I just play with.

[A]

Aw.

[B]

And then. Yeah, it's great.

[A]

So you're good with children?

[B]

I would say so, yeah. I'm actually a hoot.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I'm also the tallest in the family since I'm, you know, 6 2.

[A]

How tall is your brother? How tall is your parents?

[B]

My dad's like, probably 59 and my dad, my mom's 30 is probably about the same. 5 10. My mom's pretty tall.

[A]

That is tall.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Would your mom like me?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Hypothetically. I know, like, you don't have to like me and I don't have to like you, but hypothetically, if you were to bring me home to your mother, would she enjoy me?

[B]

What do you mean by that? I think so. Yeah.

[A]

I'm really good with you like the drink?

[B]

She likes the drink.

[A]

Perfect. Does she like a dirty Mardini?

[B]

I actually don't know. She was confused when I ordered one last time. I was.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. She's more of a wine connoisseur.

[A]

Right. Like wineries.

[B]

Not even just, you know, lcbo. Close enough, though.

[A]

If we didn't know each other and you were hypothetically going to take me on a first date, what would it be?

[B]

What time of year is it today?

[A]

This exact given moment on April 24, 2025.

[B]

Well, today's beautiful weather, so I would definitely recommend maybe going for a patio and then a walk by the water or something. I like Trinity. Like Trinity somewhere around there.

[A]

Yeah, but like a patio, as in what patio? We're obviously in Toronto. We live in Toronto.

[B]

I would say Osington somewhere.

[A]

It's a little bit different.

[B]

Yeah, that's my new spot. It's a little bit different, you know.

[A]

Where do you go in Osington?

[B]

There's a couple places. Now, obviously you got barboy, but that's not a patio. It's like a bar for night. There's bar Banan. There's a new place I checked out, Bar Banan. Good. But it's inside, though, so in summer, I'm not really too sure. There's, like, Trinity Belt was. There's, like, Bell with the brewery, I think it is. They have a nice patio. There's obviously Paris. Paris. And then there is Paris.

[A]

Paris is fine, but it's not, like, incredible.

[B]

It's a little overrated.

[A]

Would you pick me up? Like, would you send a car?

[B]

Depends how far you are. Yeah, of course.

[A]

You know where I live then.

[B]

Yeah, I would.

[A]

You would.

[B]

I'd probably pick you up on the way.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Because you're on the Ray.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Yeah. And then would you drop me off?

[B]

Yeah, obviously, of course.

[A]

After.

[B]

Unless it went horribly.

[A]

Or you'd walk me.

[B]

Or I'd walk you.

[A]

Have you ever had a bad day?

[B]

Honestly, like, maybe like, one. Not really.

[A]

What was it?

[B]

I just didn't get along that, like, as well as I expected. But honestly, I'm a very, like, outgoing person, so I don't. It's pretty rare that I have, like, a bad date because I kind of, like, take control of it and talk a lot.

[A]

Right. Which can be.

[B]

I don't know if it's a good thing sometimes, but usually it's like, we have something to talk about. And I think if you have something to talk about, you're kind of safe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if they laugh, it's fine.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, a lot of people say first dates are uncomfortable. No, I like them, but I treat it as a podcast.

[B]

Yeah, I like them.

[A]

And a lot of the times people give me way too much information, then.

[B]

Well, it's because you're asking questions probably. Like a podcast.

[A]

Is this what kind of things that you talk about on a date?

[B]

No, not really. Like, to talk about, like, they're, like, where they're from and stuff. Like, like fun stuff.

[A]

This is fun stuff now.

[B]

This is great. Yeah. This is a date.

[A]

No, but, like, we're making a cocktail. You know what I mean? We've known each other for a bit, but we don't know each other that well.

[B]

But I'm not gonna bring a girl over first thing and ask her to make a cop.

[A]

Well, I would, but that would be so fun.

[B]

I think it'd be a great time. And I'd do that where I asked, like, hey, are you. If you're comfortable with coming over and we can make cocktails and then go for a walk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But also, like, some girls, like, you're gonna invite me on the up for your first, like, date?

[A]

I'm like, actually, yeah. Someone asked me to, like, meet them at theirs and I was like, now?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

It depends on, like, how much you've been talking. The vibe.

[A]

Yeah. Do you know them? Are you friends of friends?

[B]

Yeah, exactly. So if, like, they're comfortable with you, it's fine. But I think it's a good way to start.

[A]

It's kind of like, keeps.

[B]

It's very, like, personable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So easier to ask questions if you're like one on one instead of like at a restaurant where people are yelling.

[A]

I don't mind a restaurant. I think it's romantic. But I think a first date don't lock it in that you have to be there for too long.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

And I feel like a lot of people feel too much pressure when it's like a dinner date.

[B]

Yeah. Dinner dates, I think are awful for the first date.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think it's more of like a drink, like a cocktail. Because food, you're like, eating. Eating's not really the most, like, you know, best thing to look at sometimes.

[A]

Yeah. And some people are, like, weird about eating in front of people. Are you?

[B]

No, I'll chow down.

[A]

Are you comfortable with yourself?

[B]

Very.

[A]

Do you think you're like.

[B]

I think I'd have to be. To be doing Tick Tock, to be honest.

[A]

True. Was it like a bit of a barrier, though? Because a lot of guys don't do it for the sole reason that they think it's maybe like not as masculine of a thing. Content creation, being creative.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the same thing is like the fashion industry, which you were in.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. So it's kind of a little bit of. A little bit of B. Like, it's definitely different for males, I would definitely say, than like the female. I think female, it's a lot more open. Like, girls obviously support girls. It's way more like for a girl to post her makeup, like, it doesn't matter.

[A]

Well, you could do like, guys just like do a little dance and girls love it and flock over it.

[B]

I don't do that stuff.

[A]

Can you dance?

[B]

Yeah, actually. Not bad. After a cocktail, probably.

[A]

Let's say the girl said, I want to go on a date and I want to go dancing.

[B]

Yeah, done.

[A]

Would you do a class with them dancing?

[B]

Not on the first date. I got to see if they have two left feet. I need to know what I'm working with.

[A]

How would you know what you're working with? You're sitting down.

[B]

That's a good question.

[A]

Would you do salsa dancing 100% or like hip hop or something?

[B]

I don't know about a hip hop class on a first date. That would be wild.

[A]

Could you imagine on the ground? Like what if she just turned up? Oh, I would actually love that party.

[B]

If she showed him like sweat. She's like move over.

[A]

Yeah. Like low waisted sweat and like belly out. Maybe even a chain and like a sports bra.

[B]

That'd be a vibe.

[A]

And she like went up. She did like the. But what if she was like the girl? No disrespect, but the girl from Australia.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

In the Olympics.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

We got Ray gun.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

I wish I could name.

[B]

Yeah, that would be something. I'd probably go on a second date, to be honest. I want to know more about her.

[A]

Yeah, I would never on a first date.

[B]

So that wouldn't be a self impress though. I think so.

[A]

That's okay. Question, answer. Well, maybe what's your best physical future?

[B]

That's a tough one.

[A]

That you think. Because some people could disagree. Some people could agree. I got asked this question the other.

[B]

Day and what was your answer?

[A]

It was for a TV show thing. And don't say which one you think it's for.

[B]

I would never.

[A]

But it was for. They asked me what my favorite physical feature and I said my face.

[B]

That's a. That's not a feature. That's your whole look.

[A]

Well, like my dad used to say when I was growing up, like, don't hurt the money maker if I fell fair. So I feel like that's my best or my height. But then it's like some people don't say that because I'm very tall. So like what if they're five, ten.

[B]

Yeah. But then you just like, you're fine. Then you can find out the real height of the guy.

[A]

But then a lot of athletes have been like. Not that I know a lot, but a lot of athletes have been like.

[B]

Oh my gosh, no comment.

[A]

You are so tall. This is perfect.

[B]

Yeah, I know. Well, you're Thinking like a D1 baby is what everyone always thinks about.

[A]

Well, that was like so when I was 21.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

That was so like 20, 17, 18. You know what I mean?

[B]

But to answer I guess your question, I'd probably say my eyes. Honestly?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're a little bit different. They're like blue, green, and it depends on the light.

[A]

Are my eyes nice?

[B]

They're beautiful.

[A]

Really? What color?

[B]

If I were to lie, I'd say we find.

[A]

What color are they?

[B]

They're brown. Hazel.

[A]

They're hazel.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

And they have freckles in them.

[B]

Good recovery. I know. Oh, I can see them. Yeah.

[A]

Very different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very unique. Everyone in my family has blue eyes. So, like, it would have been great if I got them.

[B]

My mom's got like, super blue eyes, like, almost like the water kind of. And then my grandpa and grandma had that. And then my grand. My dad is green and I just got like a little bit of both, but kind of wish I had, like the crystal clear blue eyes. It's like kind of like the Grey Goose bottle. Like, really see through.

[A]

No, yours are not.

[B]

Not anymore. No, but they. My mom's there, so I was like, I'd be happy with that.

[A]

When I go, like, when I get really tan, my eyes turn more green. And I'm not lying.

[B]

It's just because your skin is darker. I think it just. And your eyes look lighter.

[A]

Well, whatever it is. And I'm like, now I have green eyes.

[B]

I don't know the science behind it, but it's working.

[A]

Okay, let's play. I was going to play truth or drink, but we're already drinking. Drinking fair. So we could, like, keep a shot there.

[B]

Could.

[A]

And then if you don't want to take it, you have to take the shot.

[B]

Done.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

You could play. Are you good with, like, thinking of things right on your head?

[B]

It depends. I'm pretty quick witted. I would say, like, that's definitely one of my good personality traits. How quick I am, like. But asking questions. I'm actually awful at it. What? What's wrong? What did I. What did I say?

[A]

Timeout. Did I pour the vermouth out of the thing before I put it in?

[B]

I don't think you. No, you didn't. That's probably why it just tastes better, right? Yeah.

[A]

Also, I put up a huge thing.

[B]

What the hell was that? Coming up. Attacking me.

[A]

But listen, you're the one that said that mine was better.

[B]

I think the vermouth actually washes out the vodka, from what I've heard. And I think that's kind of.

[A]

Isn't vermouth a.

[B]

No idea. Couldn't even tell you what it is. Have you ever tried this by itself?

[A]

No, but I've smelt it so many times.

[B]

Do a little shot. Like, take a sip, please. I want you to know if it's as bad as. Yeah, it's awful. Try it.

[A]

Like, it went up my nose when I smelled it.

[B]

It's like a smelling salt. Do it.

[A]

Seriously. Do you think I'm going to throw up? Is this, like.

[B]

No, you won't throw up.

[A]

Should I do it out of here? That's rude, because people are going to want to use it.

[B]

You'll be all right.

[A]

Ew.

[B]

Awfully awful, right?

[A]

It tastes like. But it's not as strong. Well, obviously, I don't think it's a.

[B]

I think it's, like, 14. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Are you good with, though, quick, like, comebacks? Because you could. Do I have to do the shot I'm chasing with your dirty stew?

[B]

That's fine. Do it.

[A]

That's how you do it.

[B]

You can. Yeah. I don't know if you've ever done, like, a shot, but if you chase it with, like, pickle juice, completely gone. Or even Clamato.

[A]

Pickle back.

[B]

Pickle back's the best. Or Clamato, if you really want to, like, do something. It just cleans it right up.

[A]

One time I was drunk and I was at the bar and I was yelling pickleback because they were so good, and I was.

[B]

They are delicious. Yeah. Burnt Reynolds are also a treat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So what's in a pickleback, I think, is it just. I think it's just jam, like whiskey, and then you just do a shot of pickle. No. Yeah. Shot of pickle juice after.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Easy.

[A]

Okay. All right.

[B]

Ask away.

[A]

But will you give them back or are you.

[B]

We'll find out. We'll see how quick I am. Or not.

[A]

I thought of some on the road here, too, so I have my thumb.

[B]

Perfect. I did not prepare for any of.

[A]

This, so that's okay. You can kind of, like, use mine as a thought process.

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

Should I start off strong, or do you want me to give you a little bit of leeway?

[B]

I like my dessert first. Let's go. Strong fart.

[A]

Okay. Most famous person that you've hooked up with.

[B]

I'm not allowed to say these things, though. I can't say that.

[A]

Can you give us.

[B]

You probably can't answer that either.

[A]

Can I. Can you give us a. Like. This was my question, not yours. Can you give us a.

[B]

Know there's rules to this.

[A]

There are rules of this, and there's NDAs as well.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Can you give us an area?

[B]

An area? Well, like. Like, I would say entertainment.

[A]

A singer.

[B]

Entertainment.

[A]

You know who I think you'd look good with? Tell me as, like, a famous person.

[B]

Let's hear it.

[A]

Tate McCrae would love to. She's gorgeous.

[B]

She's with who? Kid Lord. What's his name? Kid Laurie something Is he? Is she?

[A]

I don't know if they are anymore.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Okay. Did you say it or no?

[B]

Are you saving the entertainment? I can't say. I can't say anything. Come on, you know.

[A]

Okay, you take a little sip then you don't have to take the whole thing.

[B]

Deal.

[A]

I'll sit mine.

[B]

I can tell. I'll tell you after.

[A]

Okay. I have another question, though, because I'm going to add Tate McCran here.

[B]

Let's do it. She can dance. She'd be a good person to go on a first date.

[A]

She would be. No, she wouldn't.

[B]

She would just, like, leave. Yeah.

[A]

She'd make you look like.

[B]

Well, yeah, like physically. No, physically and dancing wise.

[A]

Yeah, she's great. She's Canadian, too.

[B]

Yeah, she is. Calgary, I think.

[A]

Okay. Falk, Merry, Gil.

[B]

Carry on.

[A]

Kendall Jenner.

[B]

Love her.

[A]

We'll say Tate McCrae.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we'll also say the friend of mine that you. That you've flirted. Whatever with.

[B]

Fuck, that'd be. Wow, that's a good one, Kendall. I'm actually obsessed with me Joe. So I'd have to say. Because she ain't marrying me. She's not. She's. She moves on pretty quick.

[A]

Don't be too hard on yourself.

[B]

I would marry your friend.

[A]

I would, too.

[B]

And then I would have to kill Kate McCrae because she's gonna embarrass me on these dates.

[A]

True. Okay, fair. Fine. Because, like, that was a good answer. And really respectful.

[B]

That's a great, like, PR answer. That was really good. That's like the hockey training in you.

[A]

That was great. Did you ever get trained on, like, pr?

[B]

No, not really. No. Just like, watch interviews.

[A]

But do you have any three people that you give me or kill to me sometimes. I don't know names, though. So we have to take it gracefully.

[B]

I know. I have no. I don't think I have any friends.

[A]

Yeah, don't worry. Don't throw any friends in there. We're good.

[B]

Let's do. Who's that guy? Michael B. Jordan, stud. Jacob Elordi.

[A]

I'm just gonna make sure. Jacob Elordi is the one that.

[B]

I'm thinking 100 hot fashion guy. The one that was in.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Was it?

[A]

Okay, Can I already say kill Jacob Elordi?

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

But don't worry, you already said it.

[B]

That was quick.

[A]

Not my tight. Too, too. Little boy.

[B]

Little boy. He's like six, five.

[A]

No, no, not little. Like.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

Even though he's 20, he's older than me.

[B]

He is. Is he? How old is he?

[A]

Yeah. 26. 1997. No, 27 now. But he looks too baby.

[B]

That's fair. I get that. Well, then you're gonna. And then I would have to give you the other guy then if you're too. If you're worried about the babyish. What's that?

[A]

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have given that away.

[B]

The. Oh my God, Iris something. What's his name? You search up Iris. He's an actor. Older actor.

[A]

Pato.

[B]

I think so maybe. Let's see.

[A]

Van.

[B]

Let's find this out. Why can't I remember his name?

[A]

I feel like it's not.

[B]

It's probably not even Iris.

[A]

So I'd marry Michael B. Jordan at this point.

[B]

Yeah, that's a given.

[A]

Because actually, no.

[B]

Only option. This guy, Elba Idris, he's cute too.

[A]

I'd him marry Michael V. Jordan and kill.

[B]

He's a stud. I think he was voted like one of the sexiest men in live or something like that.

[A]

Really? Yeah, he has a really nice smile.

[B]

Yeah, he's a. He's a stud. I don't know how old he is though. He might, eh. I was gonna say he's probably out of your range, but I don't think so. If that answer is correct, he's not. Let's see.

[A]

Ooh, billionaire.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think he is.

[A]

But honestly though, I'm on the part of like 52.

[B]

That might be a.

[A]

That's still younger than my parents.

[B]

No judgment. I was gonna say. No judgment. I was gonna say no judgment here.

[A]

Are you close with your parents and family?

[B]

Yeah, of course. More of like a mama's boy, I would say. But I'm close with like my mom, my brother, I'm really close with and yeah, obviously the nieces and everybody.

[A]

If you had to like, like, let's just say your family hates the girl that you are with.

[B]

They'll never tell me.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Never see mine.

[B]

Would they tell me after?

[A]

Does that happen before? I feel like this. You only know this because it's happened?

[B]

Kind of. Yeah. They didn't hate them, but just like, didn't like them as much as I thought they did. That's crazy. But I would hope they would tell me.

[A]

It's also crazy that you haven't, like, let your olive soak. You've just been eating. You have two left. How many did you put on?

[B]

Somewhat. Four. It's one thing about a martini, one thing about a martini. It's like a, you know, a dinner and A drink.

[A]

So. Well, it's like, if you're hungry, have a snack.

[B]

Correct. This is my snack. Next question, next answer.

[A]

And then we have to move into questions that people asked.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which I haven't even read yet. So it's gonna be first for both of us. Actually, no.

[B]

No.

[A]

Actually, no.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

Worst date story.

[B]

Normally have one, to be honest. Like I said, dates, they don't really go too bad because I take charge of this, like, the conversation. I kind of like, carry it to where I want to go. Like, I learn about them. But then we also like personality. If it's getting kind of boring, we just move spots and then it kind of like, spices things up.

[A]

But you said you weren't even really looking because you don't know where you're going to be.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

And how old are you?

[B]

33.

[A]

So are you scared that you're gonna.

[B]

Be like, I'm a guy, so it's okay.

[A]

True.

[B]

Not that it's okay. Like, I just think I don't want to rush something just because I feel like I have to.

[A]

And you're into younger woman. Is that a thing or is that just what I said?

[B]

Kind of goes with yeah, it just kind of. You just made that up. But I'm not gonna disagree.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I wouldn't say younger. Like, there's not really, like, an age. There's obviously like an age and limit. But I would definitely say, like, it's just kind of personality wise.

[A]

Girls, what's the personality?

[B]

I need someone that's very outgoing.

[A]

Like, you can't date someone that you're not attracted to. Everyone says that.

[B]

Correct. Everyone always says looks don't matter. Looks do matter. Because I wouldn't find out about their personality if I wasn't attracted to them. So that's my thing. But I would say I just need someone's video going because I have a lot of energy. I wake up on, like, 100. So, like, if you can handle me and you handle my jokes, we're good to go. I make fun of, like, a lot. I'll chirp you a lot. But, like, if you can take it, we're good.

[A]

Do you think you're more 100 or I'm more 100.

[B]

Me by a mile.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I have crazy energy. I'm like a child.

[A]

I'm, like, kind of offended by that.

[B]

Don't be.

[A]

I'm, like, really energetic.

[B]

That's because you're drinking, though. Like this. I don't like, oh, as soon as I wake up, same all right.

[A]

I went to the gym at 7am did you?

[B]

No.

[A]

Exactly. I was asleep because I had so much energy.

[B]

I was out last night.

[A]

What time do you normally wake up at?

[B]

7:30 ish. 7:30 or 8. Depends when I go to bed. But it's probably like 7:30. I'm a morning guy.

[A]

I like to same.

[B]

I like having a routine, go for a walk by the water, get a coffee.

[A]

I feel so much better waking up early and getting shit done about myself.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

I get that. It's kind of like quiet then too.

[A]

It's like the world isn't up yet. So if you get more done and people like see you doing things, whether it's like in an email chain thing or like a workout, then like you just feel superior to everyone else in.

[B]

The world and that's all that really matters.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

As long as you're your biggest fan, that's all.

[A]

Exactly. And I am a fan of myself. Are you a fan of yourself?

[B]

I think so, yeah. I think honestly if you're doing social media, you kind of have to be.

[A]

Yeah. So do you feel like you have. Because you post fashion all the time, do you feel like you're like pressured to like look trendy?

[B]

No, no. I would say like one of my reasons. My content does really well. I do trendy posts, like trendy outfits. But I would say it's like pretty, like chill.

[A]

Yeah. Like it's anyone growy. Yeah. People could take inspiration from it and do it.

[B]

They can wear it too. It's like I don't wear crazy outrageous stuff. So they can, they can do it.

[A]

And you're. Did I ask you this? You're doing it full time, correct?

[B]

Yeah. Right now? Yeah. Yeah. So I've been doing that. Yeah. For about eight months now.

[A]

Aren't you a little drained? Sometimes you're like, I don't know.

[B]

I'm not draining. I just get bored. I get like. I'm just like the only person. I'm a very social person. So it's like I miss working with people. Like my old job, I used to have office or like work with people all the time and now it's like the only person I talk to. I have my agents, but I talk to myself and then I have to watch the video over and edit it.

[A]

Talking to myself.

[B]

And then you have to like pick out all these things like that.

[A]

You have to come up with what the. What you're going to say. You have to come up what you're Going to wear. Yeah. It's all you. But you have an agency.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, you get to talk to some people.

[B]

Yeah. Like, twice a week.

[A]

Maybe you should, like, do more collabs with people.

[B]

I've thought about it, but Toronto, there's not that many, like, male creators that really fit up my alley.

[A]

I have some people that you could do. Some cool. Like, I have ideas.

[B]

Yeah, I would. I would definitely do it. Helps grow your page too, right?

[A]

And there. Yeah. And there are, like, some people that have even been on the podcast that I feel like you could do just, like, little things with. Whether it's, like, not even an outfit, but, like, experiences or, like, one's a comedian. You know what I mean? I feel like you could do that.

[B]

I would. 100%.

[A]

I'm a creative.

[B]

Got to think about it.

[A]

So you. You take my ideas. Run with it.

[B]

I promise I will.

[A]

The fact that I do so many dating advice, like, I have everything running through my head.

[B]

Yeah, got.

[A]

You never know. Okay. We did get some people writing in, asking questions about dating. And I've been, like, trying to go through them because I get so many every day, which is crazy that they.

[B]

Where do you get them? Like, do you ask or do they just reach out to you?

[A]

So I get a lot of DMs, but those were hard to follow because it's on, like, my, like, actual page.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they'll see.

[B]

I'm sure you get plenty of DMs.

[A]

Why are you laughing?

[B]

I'm just laughing because you get plenty of DMs. I'm like, I'm sure you do.

[A]

No, do you.

[B]

Do they ask you these questions? Okay, carry on.

[A]

Or they email it to me.

[B]

Yeah, carry on.

[A]

Why? You think I'm not qualified?

[B]

No, I think you're qualified. I'm just saying I think there's different people DMing you than people asking about dating advice.

[A]

Yeah, but that's circumstantial.

[B]

That's true. It's a different. Yeah, carry on.

[A]

Do you answer your DMs a lot?

[B]

Not really. No.

[A]

Me either.

[B]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

Okay. Someone wrote in. This is. This is. I put the easy one at the top.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Do you believe in fate?

[B]

No.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because I think you can make your own situation. And they're like, fate, like, my life has changed so many different times. If it was, I know some people be like, oh, that's fate that this is happening. I just think I. Fate is almost like an excuse to me. I'd find, like, I worked my ass off to get to this point.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It had nothing to do with fate. I did it myself.

[A]

See, I kind of agree with that. But, like, I think everything happens for a reason.

[B]

I also. Yes and no. You don't think I think you can make it happen for a reason. Like, I think the reason I got let go of my job, it was a very stressful time for me, but I made it into something it didn't have to be. I could have done nothing.

[A]

But you did. Content.

[B]

Yeah. So it's like everything happens for a reason. But I don't really know. I think I made it a reason.

[A]

Yes, but, like, it happened for a reason. Like, you weren't meant to stay there.

[B]

I agree with that.

[A]

Is this our first argument so we.

[B]

Can get over it?

[A]

First bite?

[B]

We can only go uphill from here.

[A]

Only uphill.

[B]

My mom believes a huge whatever. Like, she's massive on everything happens for a reason.

[A]

I'm massive on that too. Like, I think everything happens for a reason. But, like, you have to live your life in glass, half full. So, like, okay, you're fired for your job. Okay. This is a new opportunity, too. I'm almost done. I'm sipping faster than you Carry on.

[B]

It is a new opportunity.

[A]

It's all about perspective, how you wanna look at things. Yes. And you have to think of it that way or else you're doomed. Like, you're gonna. If you get fired and you do nothing, then you're fucked. So, like, if you take something from it or think, okay, maybe. Maybe you apply to a job and that job didn't accept you or didn't take you, then it's like, okay, that wasn't meant for me. Okay. Now that we're speaking about it out loud, maybe it's like, it's not everything happens for a reason. It's more so, like, you adapt to the situation.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Either in a positive way or a negative way.

[B]

Yeah. It's really up to you how you take it.

[A]

Okay, so Spark notes that answer.

[B]

Yeah. We met in the middle there. That was great.

[A]

Yeah. No, but for the person asking, yeah, that was it.

[B]

Yeah. Answer done.

[A]

No, but, like, so, like, yes or no, do we believe in faith?

[B]

No, I still believe. No, but sure.

[A]

I don't believe in love at first sight. Do you? No, this isn't a question, but no, I don't. I don't at all.

[B]

Because that means I'd fall in love, like, every day.

[A]

I. That would mean that I fall in love every weekend.

[B]

Yeah. Self. No.

[A]

How long should a guy wait to text you after Getting your number. So I'll put this in a situation here.

[B]

Like if I got your number, how long should I wait?

[A]

So let's say hypothetically, let's give two different situations. So I think it's situational.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

First one is you are at a coffee shop on a Wednesday and a guy asks for a girl's number. You ask for a girl's number and then you get it. Where, when then are you going to reach out to her?

[B]

Well, I'm gonna text her my name right away. So it doesn't really count though, because he wants me. I'd usually message honestly. Like some people like say wait three days. I'm like, no, no, no. Like what could happen? What if she meets the love of her life in three days? I'm like giving her three days alone. So I'd say I wait till I hate she meets. Yeah, exactly. I'm probably saying like I usually message like the next day, to be honest.

[A]

Like also not that day. The next day. You'll wait a bit.

[B]

I'll usually write like probably later in the afternoon or night and just say, hey, it was really nice to meet you. Like if you want to go out, I'd love to. And then that's it. Kind of get a feeler and then go from there.

[A]

Okay, fair.

[B]

I've actually, I have a question for you. What's. What's your opinion on guys hitting on girls at like the gym?

[A]

See, it's situational again, but Altea or Altea, whatever. Well, I don't know Altea, I've never been, but apparently that's the influencer.

[B]

It's basically just like hinge on at a gym.

[A]

No, I wouldn't go there. That answers that question.

[B]

That does answer it.

[A]

But I'm going to the gym. Not looking good so that I look good after. You know what I mean? Like, I go to Barry's at 7am hoping to not see anyone so that that night I can go out and party.

[B]

Yep, I get that.

[A]

So I wouldn't want anyone to come up to me.

[B]

I would never hit on somebody at the gym in my life.

[A]

But I have hooked up with people from the gym. But it's been like a. You get each other's numbers in passing or you work out at the same gym or whatever, and then you get it a few days later. It's not like the first time.

[B]

Got it. Just kind of like recognize them again.

[A]

Why did you ask that? Is that something that came up into your life?

[B]

No, I was just like so because you asked about like a guy getting a number, and I was like, I would very rarely. Like, I'll get girls numbers in public. But it's also like, I like them to have their own space. They're there for a reason. I don't want to be make them uncomfortable.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Like, if that's like their safe place at the cafe and I want to be some creep to go up.

[A]

So you wouldn't go up to them?

[B]

Very rarely.

[A]

And then you just miss the opportunity. Never. Maybe never see me again.

[B]

All the time, seriously. But I'll see someone. I'm like, I should have got their number. But it's also like, I'm trying to be respectful. Like, what if they just had a stressful day and they just want to go relax the cafe and not have some creep come up to them?

[A]

But then as a girl's perspective, if you want me to be honest, if you came up to the girl, she would be like, oh, my gosh, day made. Like, even if she's not interested in you, she'd be like, I was having a shitty day, but this guy asked for my number. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And then so got my number. And then I randomly started seeing him on TikTok.

[B]

It's how it works, literally all the time.

[A]

Do you think it helps you in your dating life or do you think it deteriorates you?

[B]

It depends if they know me or not. I think, like, clout is really a big thing, which is kind of wild. Like, I think, like, the recognition helps for sure.

[A]

And like the number.

[B]

Yeah, the number helps a little bit, but I would say more girls, honestly kind of care. Like, I think they think it's cool that I don't care that I'm posting this stuff. Like, the. The confidence in it.

[A]

The ones that are probably creatives too, are like, this is so cool that you're actually doing it and, like, doing.

[B]

Something that they enjoy as well. But it's. But then there'll be girls that like, ew, that's kind of an ick. Which I understand. Like, it's TikTok. Like, I get it.

[A]

Yeah. But like, they just don't. Even if they're not posting themselves, which they probably are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're still using it every day, so. Okay. It's such an ick. But you're still making money watching it. Yeah.

[B]

Idiots.

[A]

Literally, like, fuck off. Like, triggering.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

No.

[B]

Next question.

[A]

I don't think mine helps, though.

[B]

No, honestly, like I said, if they've seen it, they already know. So it's up to them. It's like, tell them to grow up.

[A]

Yeah. You're talking about the person. Okay.

[B]

It's like meeting a flight attendant and saying, like, why you travel so much.

[A]

Nice facts. You've never said something so smart in your life.

[B]

To be honest, I might write that one down.

[A]

No, I think you need to. My next tattoo, I might get it too. Let me know when you're going, because I might go two for ones measured.

[B]

So there we go.

[A]

Perfect. I need thin lines, though.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

Okay, so it might be an issue. Long distance relationship advice. How to make it work to keep the spark alive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, they said how to make it work slash keep this park alive.

[B]

It's hard. I kind of went through it a little bit.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

It's not as easy. Like, obviously, everyone says it's difficult, and it is really difficult. I think obviously you can have, like, your FaceTime calls and stuff, but those are only. Those only get you so far.

[A]

Only so far?

[B]

Really? So it's really hard. Yeah. Like, if you're gonna do long distance, you kind of gotta figure out, like, a plan after. Like, you kind of need to figure out and just, like, have a look in the mirror and be like, what's going on? What's the future?

[A]

Is this worth it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And also, like, when's the next time I'm gonna see you?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, always be planning the physical.

[B]

Like, physical attraction. Like, what am I gonna do? Like, jerk off on camera? Like, come on.

[A]

It happens. People do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I've all done it. Don't judge anyone.

[B]

Exactly. So I think it's difficult, but there's ways.

[A]

Also, I feel like you. It's doomed if you don't start off in person, because if you create this huge facade of someone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do guys do this too? Because girls do this a lot. Like, when you meet someone and, like, you're attracted to them or, like, you have one good date.

[B]

Overthink.

[A]

They'll not overthink, but they'll plan their life in their head with them and be like, oh, I guess it's a bit of overthinking. Okay.

[B]

I think girls are really good at that, actually.

[A]

We are really good at that. But, like, that's what we do. Do you guys do that?

[B]

No.

[A]

Do the majority of men do that?

[B]

I wouldn't say so. I think it depends on the guy. I'm more of like, a live in the moment kind of guy. Obviously, once you get older, you kind of need to have a plan. Ahead. But I'm a very like spontaneous on the spot, kind of go with the flow.

[A]

Are you? So you obviously aren't scared about.

[B]

No.

[A]

Being 33. No, I'm single.

[B]

Very comfortable with it.

[A]

You like it?

[B]

It's by choice, right?

[A]

I'm at the same place as you. Well not the same age.

[B]

Age wise. Yeah. But you're a girl. It's like seven. It's like dog years.

[A]

Yeah, literally. But like I honestly think a relationship would hurt my career. Do you feel that?

[B]

Yes and no. Like my stuff's not as aggressive as yours is when it comes to like dating life. Like if you're dating someone it can be a little more difficult to talk about like ex relationships and stuff. For me it's not. Doesn't really hinder it too much. As long as they're comfortable with me like in girls attention and stuff.

[A]

As long as we're both gonna need very confident.

[B]

Yeah partner someone that just supports it, that's all.

[A]

And I think it's hard for someone to do that but it's really not.

[B]

It's. Well keep my like social media for me is like it's a very new thing for a lot of people. So I think they don't really know how to react.

[A]

How would you feel if your significant other was like famous on Tick Tock?

[B]

That's fine with me. I don't care. I'm really like secure. I don't care.

[A]

Would you be like oh it's competition?

[B]

No. So how did you get there? Teach me.

[A]

Would you incorporate your girlfriend even if she wasn't on social media in your post?

[B]

No.

[A]

See I think that's fucking insane. I think that's absolutely diabolical because how would you not want to include your significant other?

[B]

Like you will like sometimes like you do like your fit checks and stuff every once in a while. But it's also like it depends what you want to do with your branding. Like if you want to keep a certain brand, like certain clientele of like girls for example that like follow you, you can't put a girlfriend in there and you got. But you have to tell your girlfriend this is why like you gotta give her a good reason. You can't just like hey not do it.

[A]

But then she could also come back with like I'm a jealous person. So if I. I'm comfortable but like been cheated on. So I understand that something so minuscule can pull someone away. They're not the right person. Yeah but I understand that like why someone would be insecure about you saying Yeah, I want to keep having these girls follow me.

[B]

Fair. It's a conversation you got to have at the get go.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

But no, I would. It really depends. Especially in like vlogs, like traveling stuff. Like, I would do it 100%. Yeah, I would let people know, but I just wouldn't like flaunt it, if that makes sense.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like I'd meet in the middle, I'd flaunt it. I also.

[A]

Yes, but I'd wait till like we're like at least three months in the relationship.

[B]

Whenever I see people post their relationship out of nowhere, I'm like, oh, they're struggling. Like they're struggling. I'm like, they're not doing very well.

[A]

Well, that's people that don't use social media and that's really athletes that you follow and things like that. Because they are.

[B]

Well, whenever they post something, it usually means their relationships and crumbling. Yeah, it's either post on social media or they got a dog.

[A]

Yeah, that is. So write that one down.

[B]

One of the. Literally it's always, oh, we got a dog.

[A]

She's posting the flowers on her story. He cheated. He 100% cheated.

[B]

They got a dog. They're broken up in two months.

[A]

Yeah. If they got a dog, he cheated. Or he's disinterested and he's thinking about it. If he buys you flowers after a weekend of out or bachelor trip.

[B]

He cheated, most likely.

[A]

And what was the other one? If you start. If you've never posted, if you've never posted and he posts randomly, his girlfriend that nobody knew about and. Or if he unfollows you. He's dating someone.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

And he's cheating on her with you.

[B]

Correct. I'm not gonna ask how you know these things.

[A]

That's crazy. I know them way too well.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Have you ever been cheated on?

[B]

No, not that I'm aware of.

[A]

Have you cheated?

[B]

Once, a long time ago.

[A]

I'll never do it again. And how can you explain her now?

[B]

Yeah, it was a long time. It was like almost like 10 years ago.

[A]

So I'm so sad that I'm almost done.

[B]

I'm actually done mine and I'm upset. But no, it was a long time ago. I would never do it again. It was just like a hot like lust thing. I was new to like the city. All this stuff was going on. I was like, okay, sweet. And then it's going to happen. It wasn't like crazy, like it wasn't like a real hookup, but it was still like Cheating.

[A]

So I was like, wouldn't you classify now as cheating?

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

I was like, what I classified when I was in grade nine as cheating is different than what I classified.

[B]

Correct? Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Okay, last question for what people wrote in.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Last night I went to a baseball game and met a wonderful woman who works at a baseball stadium. And she and I started talking and we wanted to exchange numbers, but she couldn't because she was working. But she took my ig and she said she doesn't have ig, but she will use her sister's account. So how long do I wait for? Well, you have to wait.

[B]

Yeah, you have to wait.

[A]

There's nothing you can do. What are you going to find her?

[B]

This is a family affair.

[A]

This is crazy. So what age do you think this is? Well, she can't give her number out because if you're working sometimes you're not allowed.

[B]

But you can give her Instagram. It's the same thing. She doesn't have Instagram, but she gave her. Her sisters.

[A]

Who doesn't have Instagram Alarm. Alarming.

[B]

Every girl I see like, tick tocks. Like, I want a guy that doesn't have social media. I'm like, that is cheating.

[A]

I'm telling you, the person posting that is me. That is me.

[B]

They have social. They don't have social media. They're the shadiest person.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Some of the guys I know that have no social media are the worst ones.

[A]

Normally they're like lawyers. So you. It's so you can't trace them.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Which is. I mean, I should probably delete Instagram. No, that's your money maker. No, I mean, Fact or TikTok?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Any questions for me? Did this go as well as you thought it would go?

[B]

Of course. I was drinking.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Try to think. Yeah. Have you had. You've had a bad date experience or no?

[A]

Yeah, but like, just like. Well, one was creepy because, like, he wouldn't let me flown out. Love give me a good fly out.

[B]

Who doesn't?

[A]

Best experience would be probably anything that's like a sports game followed by, like bites after.

[B]

Are they playing in it?

[A]

That would be better. But I'm trying not to go for athletes anymore. All right, so I will sit with you at the game and we can watch it together.

[B]

Got it. Makes sense.

[A]

You know, I love that some people said when I ended a podcast that they would take me to a hockey game. And he still hasn't yet, but it's fine.

[B]

Well, time to grow up, right?

[A]

He's about your age.

[B]

He ain't growing up.

[A]

Okay. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I know I won the Dirty Martini challenge.

[B]

Honestly. You did. And I think that's because of the vermouth that was in the cup.

[A]

And for the people. Right? And for the people that didn't watch.

[B]

If you're not cheating, you're not trying.

[A]

If you're not cheating, you're not trying. And we had a great time. So try your dirty martinis. Tell Greg used to sponsor us. Follow Devin Michaels. What's your ad again?

[B]

Devin Michaels. Underscore pretty basic.

[A]

Yeah, like comment, subscribe, do the damn thing, and I will see you next Thursday.