Jimmy Dore is a comedian and political commentator with over 1 million YouTube subscribers and the host of The Jimmy Dore Show, one of the most-watched independent progressive news platforms in the country. A former writer for The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and frequent media provocateur, Jimmy has built a massive following by aggressively challenging establishment narratives - on the left and the right - and by refusing to play nice with party orthodoxy.

This episode is different.

Before Jimmy and I ever sit down, I spend roughly 40 minutes explaining why I wanted this conversation in the first place. I've followed American politics for more than three decades, and I felt the need to lay out my thesis - where I think Jimmy is right, where I think he's overzealous, and why I believed it was important to let him speak fully and without interruption. If you'd prefer to jump straight to the interview, you can cue up to 41:39.

When we do get into it, Jimmy does what Jimmy does - he makes bold claims, backs them with his version of the receipts, and challenges me directly. My goal wasn't to "win." It was to understand. And to give you the space to hear him unfiltered and decide for yourself.

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