#4338 Equal To Or Less Than Jake

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL Episode #4338 - "Equal To Or Less Than Jake"

Release Date: November 15, 2024
Hosts: Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh
Title: Equal To Or Less Than Jake

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1. Opening Banter and Donut Dilemma [00:00 - 04:00]

The episode kicks off with Luke Burbank sharing a humorous anecdote about his sister Katie’s artisanal donut selections. Luke expresses his frustration over Katie's sophisticated taste in donuts, contrasting it with his simpler preferences.

• Luke Burbank [00:00]: "She’s not looking for the donuts, that’s looking for a strong donut lead... These unrecognizable knick knacks... You won't like it and neither will I."

This light-hearted exchange sets a playful tone for the episode as the hosts navigate their differing tastes and frustrations.

2. Discussion on Media Consumption and MSNBC Ratings [04:01 - 17:18]

The conversation swiftly shifts to a pressing media concern. Luke and Andrew delve into a New York Times report indicating a significant drop in MSNBC's primetime ratings ("down by 53%") while Fox News sees an increase ("up by 21%").

• Luke Burbank [13:03]: "We need to keep our friends employed... If we don’t all do our part by turning it on in a room we’re not in and leaving it on for 24 hours a day, we may lose this vital resource."

Luke proposes a strategy to support MSNBC by keeping it running in the background, emphasizing its role as a counterbalance to right-wing media.

• Andrew Walsh [14:00]: "I have thoughts on this. I think... when your team is losing, there is a sense of wanting to withdraw... Maybe this is where everyone's going. Maybe listeners are flocking to TBTL."

Andrew compares the media ratings shift to sports team performance, suggesting that audience loyalty can fluctuate based on current events and team success.

3. Donor Acknowledgments and Community Engagement [29:42 - 31:58]

Luke and Andrew take a moment to thank their donors, highlighting the importance of community support in sustaining the podcast.

• Luke Burbank [31:03]: "Mike Brehm appreciates that. Mike is our first donor. We’re thanking today. Mike’s in Turlock, California. Thanks, Mike."

They humorously address a minor typo in Carl Norimbuena’s name, reinforcing their close-knit relationship with listeners.

4. Personal Stories: Delivery Anxiety and Home Projects [37:05 - 66:38]

The hosts transition into personal anecdotes, discussing the challenges of managing deliveries and home organization.

a. Delivery Anxiety and Package Management [25:02 - 44:31]

Luke expresses anxiety over vulnerable deliveries left outside his studio while he’s away. He shares a specific concern about expensive framed photographs intended for his new bedroom.

• Luke Burbank [38:01]: "I can't handle the idea of these pretty expensive large framed photographs sitting out for the whole weekend."

Andrew offers practical advice, suggesting reaching out to neighbors for assistance, but Luke explains his limited connections.

b. Illegal Dumping Incident [44:31 - 51:08]

Andrew recounts an incident where a mattress was illegally dumped near his property, sparking intense frustration and leading him to report it via a local app.

• Andrew Walsh [46:11]: "I just threw it... landed in a big ass muddy puddle... I was just so pissed off."

Luke empathizes, highlighting the emotional toll of such encounters and the importance of swiftly addressing them to prevent negative behaviors.

c. Home Organization and DIY Projects [51:08 - 66:38]

Both hosts discuss their struggles with home organization, shelving installations, and the psychological barriers to completing household projects.

• Luke Burbank [62:26]: "I might have considered black... but I really, really want to solve this in the next two hours of my life."

Andrew shares his own experiences with minimalistic shelving solutions, contrasting his approach with Luke’s more aesthetic considerations.

• Andrew Walsh [65:26]: "I did that, and I was sort of proud of myself... maybe you can pick some up for me at the organizer."

Luke reflects on his challenges with project completion, attributing some difficulties to possible ADHD and OCD tendencies.

• Luke Burbank [63:59]: "If I just take like two or three days of my life to... it's so hard to decide what the order of events should be."

5. Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul Fight and Political Associations [65:28 - 83:45]

A significant portion of the episode revolves around the upcoming boxing match between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul, hosted on Netflix. The hosts dissect the fighters' backgrounds, political affiliations, and the broader implications for media and entertainment.

• Luke Burbank [73:42]: "Mike Tyson has been imprisoned for sexual assault... Jake Paul... takes power for himself... nihilist bros who think nothing matters."

Luke grapples with his feelings towards both fighters, acknowledging Tyson’s troubled past and his own conflicted views on Paul’s behavior and political leanings.

• Andrew Walsh [75:37]: "Would that. I'm just asking for the people out there... you think him beaten."

They discuss the economics behind streaming fights on platforms like Netflix versus traditional pay-per-view models, pondering whether Netflix's subscriber-driven approach aligns with live sporting events.

• Andrew Walsh [76:26]: "Do you think that anybody signs up for Netflix for this fight?"

Luke critiques the misalignment between live events and subscription-based streaming services, questioning the long-term value for platforms like Netflix.

• Luke Burbank [78:12]: "I have a feeling that’s a part of their calculation... One thing you can’t time shift is like live."

Andrew highlights the contrast between limited-time availability of live sports and the on-demand nature of streaming content.

6. Listener Engagement and Email Sharing [83:07 - 85:29]

The hosts emphasize the importance of listener feedback and community support, sharing a heartfelt email from a listener named Mike, who grapples with mixed emotions post-election.

• Andrew Walsh [85:29]: "Listener Mike... listened to TBTL and he said... 'personal relationships in all of our lives truly matter... small moments of shared humanity, nobody can take that away from us.'"

In response, Luke encourages listeners to share their coping mechanisms, fostering a sense of solidarity and mutual support within the community.

7. Closing Thoughts and Song Sharing [85:29 - 87:45]

To wrap up, the hosts play a song titled "Bittersweet Victory" by listener Mike, symbolizing the complex emotions many are experiencing during turbulent times. They offer final words of encouragement and a reminder of the collective resilience needed to navigate the upcoming challenges.

• Luke Burbank [86:54]: "Have a good weekend, take care of each other and please remember, no mountain too tall."

Andrew echoes the sentiment, wishing listeners well and reinforcing the message of unity and perseverance.

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Notable Quotes:

• Luke Burbank [00:00]: "Katie shows up with a box. I'm frothing, I'm so hungry."
• Andrew Walsh [01:08]: "Guess what day it is. It's Friday."
• Luke Burbank [13:03]: "We do not need the MSNBC executives thinking that the answer is to tack right or to move to the center."
• Andrew Walsh [14:00]: "Maybe listeners are flocking to TBTL."
• Luke Burbank [73:42]: "Jake Paul... nihilist bros who think nothing matters."
• Andrew Walsh [75:37]: "They’re both trash, so blown ACLs to them both."
• Andrew Walsh [85:29]: "Small moments of shared humanity, nobody can take that away from us."
• Luke Burbank [86:54]: "Have a good weekend, take care of each other and please remember, no mountain too tall."

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Conclusion:

In Episode #4338, Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh navigate a blend of personal anecdotes, media critiques, and community discussions. From addressing media consumption fears and supporting vital news outlets to sharing intimate household challenges and dissecting high-profile boxing matches, the hosts offer a multifaceted conversation that resonates with listeners seeking both entertainment and solace. The episode culminates in a heartfelt engagement with their audience, reinforcing the podcast’s role as a companion during uncertain times.

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

I always get weaseled into getting donuts with my sister. She says, oh, I'll get donuts for us. I say, that sounds fantastic. I get myself all hungry. I forget that she's really over educated. So she's not looking for the donuts, that she's looking for a strong donut lead. She's looking for artisanal donuts, subtle flavors. So Katie shows up with a box. I'm frothing, I'm so hungry. And she opens it and I see these unrecognizable knick knacks. Oh, Chris. Okay, you're going to want to first try the orange basil. Then we have. This is lamb water. This was made with water. They were going to give lambs. This one's the old butter donut. This is mezcal panko. You won't like it and neither will I. We need to split the Montana chocolate. This is sourdough spider plant right here. This is lilac kiwi. This flavor is so insane, it almost killed Fran Leibowitz. She tried it in 91 and had to get airlifted out of Port Authority. TBTL.

[Andrew Walsh]

Guess what day it is. Guess what day it is. It's Friday.

[Luke Burbank]

Friday.

[Andrew Walsh]

Gonna get down on Friday. Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. Do you even like this podcast? I have never had less faith in.

[Luke Burbank]

A creative team than I do right now. You don't think his idea of starting with the catch phrases and working backwards is panning out?

[Andrew Walsh]

Nuts to you, McGillicuddy. Who ordered the wieners? Beep, beep. Ribby, ribby. That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome everyone to a Friday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Feast your ear tongues on these memory pops. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host, Scatman's World, coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it's not actively storming. The wind is not currently howling, so we're gonna classify that as a beautiful day. Oh, ma Pa. It's just beautiful. As we arrive at a Friday edition of the program, it's episode 4338 in a collector series, Let the fun begin tonight, Friday night on Netflix, a 58 year old Mike Tyson and young fabulously wealthy Internet troll, possible Donald Trump sympathizer Jake Paul will fight a boxing match. And the word that comes to mind is ludicrous. I can't help but have too many thoughts and feelings about this event tonight. I mean, if we. Like this has been thrown around so much, but like, it does feel like we're entering the real life version of the movie Idiocracy. It's not a particularly novel observation from me, but right there, right there at the top of the list of things that would indicate we have entered Idiocracy mode is like an a borderline elderly Mike TYSON Fighting a YouTube creation. And yet again, I have a lot of thoughts which I'll share with you and Andrew coming up. Also, I'd like to propose the idea of actually watching television as a form of social activism. I love television. I've got to have that thing on 24. 7. I love the pattern. I've also got some. You've heard about garbage anxiety. Now wait for delivery anxiety. I'm going to ask my friend Andrew how he would handle this situation that's causing me some angst today. Speaking of the longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships, he's calling out from Scatland. They just want you to be normal and clearly you're not. He's calling out from Andrew Walsh's world and he joins us right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. How are you doing today? You really good. Was that your first jog since you were. No, that wasn't your first jog since you took. What would they say? Took. The old took.

[Luke Burbank]

Took ill. My bed.

[Andrew Walsh]

Took to your bed with illness?

[Luke Burbank]

With. With consumption? No, I've been, I've been on my. I've been on my jog tip. But you know, I haven't been outside because the weather has been so unbelievably unpleasant. Like just, you know, the kind of wind where if you're standing still, it kind of almost feels like it might blow you over. So I've been running here in the Madrona Hill studio each morning. But the problem is I cannot stand to be on the treadmill for more than like five miles. It's just so monotonous.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, what would you be usually running if you were outside more than five? I thought five would be.

[Luke Burbank]

I try to do seven.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you? Okay, wow.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm trying to do three, seven milers a week and then on Saturday a 10 mile or so tomorrow Becca and I are going to try to do 10 miles and then in between I do like 4 or 5 miles on the treadmill at a faster pace than I normally would. That's the ideal plan if everything goes well. But this week I haven't been going outside because it's been so lousy. Then this morning actually was a. Again, it's dry, it's not windy. This would have been a good day for me to get out to the outdoors. I find it somehow. There's something about, I've seen unverified, unscientific data that one of the reasons walking is really good for us, like mentally along with physically is because there's something about what your eyes have to do while you're walking in terms of surveying the landscape and that that is actually in some way sort of calming for our brain or good for our brain. I think we can all kind of identify with the experience of being in kind of a funk and then going out for a walk and then feeling sort of different, qualitatively kind of different afterwards. And I feel like for me, if I can jog outside, it's a lot better. Like I'm. When I'm on the treadmill, I'm literally counting the laps after like lap number two, it's a quarter mile loop. It shows me on the little thing. And after like the first or second loop, I'm just going in my mind, okay, easy 16, easy 15. That's what I tell myself like, easy 14. Like I'm literally counting every two minutes that I go. It's kind of torturous. Whereas when I'm outside, I'm lost in my thoughts. I'm judging people as to if they have their dog close enough on the leash or not. I'm avoiding geese, which I do feel like are the. It's really under described how terrifying geese are when you're out jogging near a lake.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it an off leash geese area?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, listen, I'm in, I'm in Red America, Andrew. So it's every, all, all the geese are off leash and they, they say the only answer for a bad geese is a good geese.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what they say.

[Luke Burbank]

So. But anyway, yeah, so I did get my little jog in today. I am, I'm feeling much better than I was last week. As far as the illness goes, as far as the, the malaise that we're all feeling in. The malaise that just keeps, they just keep seeming to up it with new revelations about, you know, cabinet appointees and things like that that I'm still kind of stuck in and. Can I, I don't want to. Did you have something on your heart you wanted to share with me or can I jump right into my television rant?

[Andrew Walsh]

I was going to tell you about a time I was Menaced by a goose. But I'm thinking about it and it's not that great of a story. I'll tell you another time, I'm sure. Goose talk. If we do this show for another 12, 15 years, I'm sure there will be more opportunities.

[Luke Burbank]

I would love it if the actual story is you were menaced by the character Goose from Top Gun. Was that Anthony Edwards? It was in the Dr. Green from ER.

[Andrew Walsh]

But you are close when I say menaced by a goose. I was menaced by a man dressed up as a goose at the Valley City Street Fair. But again, not an interesting story. Obviously we'll save it for another time. It was an ax wielding man dressed up as a goose menacing me at the frog jump at the frog jump competition at the Valley City Street Fair. There are no dazzling details to share. We'll bring it up. I hear a lot.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm dazzled by that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let me just tell you, boy, I really set up my real goose story for failure with that. So yeah, jump into the Jake Paul thing. Can I tell you just where I am on this? Or maybe that's not your tv?

[Luke Burbank]

That's not even the tv.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's not where you want to start. Netflix.

[Luke Burbank]

It's not television.

[Andrew Walsh]

Please, sorry, go ahead.

[Luke Burbank]

You're showing your age. Yes, I know you love television. You've got to have it on. I just love the pattern RIP, by the way. I know every time Louie Anderson, like, golly, what a national flipping treasure. And I've said this before, not just because his comedy was pretty great, if maybe a little 90s in its kind of, you know, framing, but that's fine. But also just like a really entertaining actor. So great in baskets. And then this is what I love, a majorly degenerate gambler.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's right. That's hilarious.

[Luke Burbank]

Gambling stories. I mean, that's where I feel like I really connected with Louie Henderson.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. I'm trying to remember. I do. Do I only know them from you retelling them?

[Luke Burbank]

I think I've retold them on the show.

[Andrew Walsh]

I also get them confused a little bit with Norm MacDonald is all.

[Luke Burbank]

He also go under less fun. His was like sports betting, which I don't know why. It's like Louie Anderson telling the story of he was getting all this money to shoot a 711 commercial. Yeah, he's getting like $100,000 to shoot a 711 commercial in LA. And it's. He's in Vegas though, because he used to perform in Vegas all the time and it's the night before the 711 commercial. And he stays up all night gambling and he's down $100,000 at like 7 in the morning. And he needs to go get on a flight, like, I think it's a private flight from Vegas to LA to go shoot the commercial. And he goes like all the way down and he's lost all the money he was going to make in the commercial, which I kind of identify with occasionally. Like, sometimes I'd be in a town and maybe I'd be doing some sort of hosting event, MC event. And there's a certain, you know, honorarium they're giving you. And then my thought would be, well, you know, I've got that in my back pocket, theoretically. And then you just go dunk that money off somewhere and you're just like, well, that was before you even did.

[Andrew Walsh]

That thing, before you even earned it. So, like you're just, well, no, I've earned it.

[Luke Burbank]

Usually it would be like post the earning of it, but then you just, you like wasted. And then you're like, well, I guess I just did that gig pro bono.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

Like it's kind of, it's. It's not a good financial approach to life. But anyway, he ends up. He takes like his last marker from the casino, which is just basically a loan, like a high interest loan from the casino. And he. And it's like 5,000. And he runs his 5,000 all the way back up to 125,000. He actually gets up over what he had lost and then he literally has them put it in like a gym bag and he takes it to the airport and he flies to the. To LA and does his 711 commercial.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, and because I remember there was not a part of that story where he's driving back and forth between la. Because I feel like there is some story regarding.

[Luke Burbank]

He may have other stories.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Where he had to drive a long way. But anyway, that's not rip. You don't want to talk about that. You don't want to talk about the fight yet. You want to talk about Netflix, which is not television.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I don't want the fights on Netflix.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. Oh, I see.

[Luke Burbank]

That's why I'm saying we're not in the. We have not yet entered the TV discourse.

[Andrew Walsh]

Or.

[Luke Burbank]

Excuse me, we are entering the TV discourse. We have not yet entered the Netflix discourse. Of all the alarming stories that I've been seeing and that many of us have been seeing, one in the New York Times today had me feeling very alarmed and slightly responsible. And it was. Television viewers are apparently not tuning in to MSNBC right now. And in fact there are. MSNBC's primetime ratings are down something like 53% from their recent highs. And Fox News primetime ratings are up something like 21%, which is just devastating news for me as somebody who watches a lot of msnbc, has some actual friends who work there, and thinks that it is important for MSNBC to exist as some sort of pushback and watchdog on things like Fox News. And I realized it's very much like sports radio or even sports television. When your team is losing and your team is down, there is a sense of wanting to withdraw. And I've talked about this. We've been in a running conversation, you and I, Andrew, since the day after the election about media consumption and self care. Here's what I'm proposing. Put MSNBC on a TV in a room you're not in and, or mute it if you need to. And then when you see a story that you can engage with, turn the volume on. And then when you can't engage with the content, just mute it, but leave it on. We do not need the MSNBC executives thinking that the answer is to tack right or to move to the center or to shake things up. We need, this is a vital backstop and bookend to the right wing media empire. And if we don't all do our part by turning it on in a room we're not in and leaving it on for 24 hours a day, we may lose this vital resource.

[Andrew Walsh]

Would that. I'm just asking for the people out there. This would apply to, would this also apply to people who, when they do want to watch msnbc, have to go to a really weird website called Live News Mag now to find the kind of a gray market stream of it?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know. But let's just err on the side of caution. So yes, do it. Log into the dark web and watch our damn channel. Like, I don't know why this hit me so hard this morning. Again. Part of it is because I feel like I've been, I've been pretty, pretty public on this show about the fact that I'm really struggling with how much bad news I can kind of take in a given day. So, but I also, it just, it feels like yet another indication that the bad guys are winning. Like they're winning. And then we, the good people of America are feeling so sad that we can't even interact with the content that's being made by the other good people of America.

[Andrew Walsh]

I have thoughts on this. I think it was just last night that I was wondering to myself maybe I was scrolling and choosing a podcast. I've been pretty much like listening to a lot of Lebatard lately. So I'm just sort of. There's something so easy about it. Like, even if you have a, you know, this sort of parasocial relationship with a podcast, or an almost an addictive relationship with a podcast that releases tons of content like we do, but like, lebatar does as well. Like, I could complain about Le Batard or think like, this segment kind of sucks. I'm also in the subreddit sometimes and see everybody complain about what. There's plenty to complain about, especially when you listen to the show so much, you know. But the thing is, it's just so easy to lock into your habits and like, yeah, I can turn on Lebtard show and then fast forward. I know exactly how many taps to fast forward through all the commercials and blah, blah. And then you might hear a segment be like, oh, come on, that could be better. But it's like, well, do I want to scroll? And this is just maybe me and my age and my habits. Do I want to just like scroll through all of the different podcasts on my podcast app and choose which one I want to jump into? Cold and like, no, it's just easier to stick with what you know. But anyway, all that is to say I was maybe scrolling yesterday or for some reason I thought about the Pod Save America guys and I thought, oh, my God, each of their numbers must be tanking. Not forever. They'll come, I'm sure. And same with msnbc. When things normalize a little bit and we're like, not all like kind of licking our wounds a little bit.

[Luke Burbank]

Shell shocked.

[Andrew Walsh]

A little shell shocked. I'm sure things will bounce up to a degree. I. I'm going to take issue. I love this. This is great. This is actually. No offense or yet maybe just take it as a compliment, but I feel like this is a sort of Burbankian take I'm going to have here. I have not read this. I have not read this article that you just told me about, but I've already looked it up and I already disagree with the headline, even though I have not read the article, which is.

[Luke Burbank]

What is the headline.

[Andrew Walsh]

Viewers flee MSNBC and flock to Fox News in wake of election. That makes.

[Luke Burbank]

I agree it's a terrible headline because it makes it sound like, yes, I.

[Andrew Walsh]

Think we're gonna say the same thing. It makes it sound like, there are a bunch of people who were either gonna go to MSNBC or Fox and they all have, like, a magnet being turned on. Have all gone to Fox. No, the people who are already predisposed to watch Fox are now more in the mood to watch it. Like you said, it's exactly like sports. When the Seahawks are bad, the local sports ratings go down, you know, and if. And when they're great, it's not fun.

[Luke Burbank]

To hear about your team.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Losing. And it's fun to hear about your team winning.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. And so. And so I was thinking about, like, Pod Save America. Like, I haven't listened. I literally have not listened to that show since the election. And actually, that's not a good idea for me not to. I think those guys are very reasonable. They have a calming presence. I think a lot. They are very reasonable. They are very strategic. They're a great listen. But, like, I just haven't been. Been, as you say, engaging with the discourse. It's easier for me. I mean, Veeaves and I probably watched three hours of Strangers With Candy, season one, last night and because it just, like, it felt like 1999, and I could just, like, hide under that blanket for a while. I don't think it'll last forever, but it has been on my mind lately. And it's funny that somebody was looking at the. At the ratings of MSNBC and, yeah, we need to keep. Let's keep our friends employed.

[Luke Burbank]

We gotta keep. We gotta keep that place going. We don't need to give those TV executives the wrong idea that, like. Because you're right, I mean, this is very predictable and very cyclical. My sense is all of us are struggling right now to figure out how much information to consume, to know what's going on versus what's going to give us, like, all day anxiety. And as things stabilize and as we get a clearer picture of what things look like and if we get a W here or there, maybe Matt Gates doesn't get confirmed. There feels like there's four Republicans that haven't completely sold their soul or whatever. And then. And I know this sounds insane to say on November 15, Andrew, 2024, but the midterms are two years away. And that's what I think that will be the drumbeat. It will start to build. We will start to. Because at the midterms, my sense is Democrats will have a massive, massive comeback. Because I think this. I think there's going to be so much bad stuff that happens between now and the midterms that the party in power. I don't think that the price of eggs is going to go down. As the, as Dana Gould, the very funny comedian and sometimes TBTL guest said in a recent standup performance, how many eggs are people eating? The price of eggs, like is there, are there parts of America where people are eating hundreds of eggs a day? How is this the most critical issue to most people, the price of eggs. But the price of eggs, Andrew, this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is such a, such a dark place to take it. But you know how memes are, Luke. You don't often even know what the original image is from, but especially when you're on Reddit. Did I ever mention there's some real dank memes on edit? Yeah, Reddit rather. But there was one. This is pretty dark, but I don't know what the original source material was but it was like it looked like a freeze frame maybe, but it was like some white kid and he had some dark. I don't know if it was a fake mustache or something that just looked like a fake mustache that was Hitler esque underneath his nose. Like and the caption said something like I'm Hitler or something like that. I don't know what it came from.

[Luke Burbank]

Dan Henschel, who's a very edgy like Twitter comedian.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh really?

[Luke Burbank]

That's not a original picture.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh really?

[Luke Burbank]

And I don't think he's a Nazi. I don't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

He's not. But the funny, the what, what, how, how it was memeified in the version that I saw was somebody just wrote above it what Americans say when eggs go up by 12 cents.

[Luke Burbank]

And or I support him because eggs just went up. But so anyway, I feel like what is going to happen and unfortunately the problem is I think that the Republicans are going to suffer a really, really, really bad midterm election because that is going to be the result of how really, really, really bad it gets in America. And it sucks that we have to go through it in order to get to that outcome. But a year from now, as Trump's approval ratings are spectacularly low, as he's pushed every norm possible, as hopefully he's somehow fighting with Republicans, mean there's a few Republicans with backbones. That's another thing that we, we assume. I'm sorry, I don't want to try to get into X's and O's here and my theories, because again, one of my theories was Kamala Harris was going to win in a landslide. But like I feel like there, there is a possibility that we have totally and completely discounted which is that Republicans actually decide that they don't like Donald Trump while he's the president. Like, I'm talking about Republicans in the House and Senate. I know that seems like a totally, completely impossible thing because he has totally taken over that party. But I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, in a hypothetical sense here. What would happen if he actually somehow manages to overstep? If it becomes the case that there are a couple of Republicans who go, you know, someone accused of, like, child sex trafficking, that can't be the highest law enforcement officer in America. And then they say, no, he. We don't put Matt Gates in. And then Trump is mad at them. And then Trump scorches the earth and says, they're all going to be. I'm going to term, you know, I'm going to turf them out or whatever, I'm going to run people against them. And then they go, yeah, but you're not even going to be president in three years, dude. And then all of a sudden, like, my thought is, when you have a bunch of really bad people that get together on the same project, the idea that they will actually be able to stay cohesive and coherent and that their general selfishness and badness and horribleness won't at some point turn them on each other is. I just don't think that we can discount that concept or that sort of thing. Like, we assume that these stormtroopers, and I use that term advisedly, will just move in lockstep for the rest of this movie. But you got to remember the time that Darth Vader threw the emperor down that lightning hole, like it could happen. So anyway, I think the midterms are going to be bad. And I think that a year from the midterms, good. We're going to.

[Andrew Walsh]

The midterms are going to be good, but bad.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, bad for them, good for us. And I think there's going to be this energy around candidates and issues and people running for office and people, you know what I mean? Like, I think. And once there is that energy against. Once there is that hope that at the very least we could have Congress as an, as a, as at least one branch of government that is able to push back on this agenda and maybe change some things like that will, that will invigorate people. The thing is, we got to make sure that all of the outlets that we like and use, such as pod, Save America, such as msnbc, are not dark a year from now. When we, when we're ready to reengage with them.

[Andrew Walsh]

I feel like everything went downhill when John Roderick lost his campaign to become a city councilor here in Seattle.

[Luke Burbank]

Was that the inflection point?

[Andrew Walsh]

That was. I don't know why that popped up.

[Luke Burbank]

In my head when Bean dad lost his.

[Andrew Walsh]

I have no idea why that popped in my head. I. Can I change the subject to something that has literally nothing to do with any of this? I applaud your optimism. I don't.

[Luke Burbank]

I've said my piece.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think that. I do think that things will swing back a little bit from midterms. I don't know. I don't know that I can go with you. Suddenly, the Republican Party, like, I feel like if anything is just.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think it would be sudden, but I just. I think the principle of Just imagine that you put a hundred of the worst people you can imagine in a pit together or a palace together. You put 100 of the worst people you can think about in a palace together.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah. MTV is dung show, I think. Right?

[Luke Burbank]

You don't think they're gonna. Some people are gonna stab some people in the back and there might be a coup of certain type. Like, I just. I am hopeful that just the absolute depravity of these people all and their. And their narcissistic tendencies and their desire for power and every. I just. I'm hoping that the center. The molten shit center of it will not hold in some way.

[Andrew Walsh]

Here's how I'm changing the conversation. And again, this is not. Because I just don't have anything else to add to that. And so. And there is something that is on my mind. Luke is holding up a piece of.

[Luke Burbank]

Paper that says, please let's not forget to talk about this printout that I just made for the mail people.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay? I thought you were sending me a. Thought you were giving me some sort of a note.

[Luke Burbank]

That's a new thing, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Luke held up. I won't say what it says because Luke wants to get to it in a second. But you just held up to the camera a white piece of paper, eight and a half by 11, but in huge.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like a hostage tape.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like you were giving me. Like, it was like a card like you would give me. What do you call it when you're on. When you're on the cue card? It was like a cue card. I thought you were, like, giving me.

[Luke Burbank]

I thought it was more like a please, please send help. But I can't say it to you because it'll be recorded on the tape. So it's more of just a visual message for you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why are you holding up today's newspaper? No, I just did want to say that I feel like about a year and a half ago, maybe my timeline could be wrong. About a year and a half ago, somebody heard me talk into this microphone about one of my prized possessions, which is a Kixie AM radio window cling that I have up in my window here in my little basement window. And somebody wrote in to me to say, could you get me one of them? And I'm like, yeah, I think I can. I got somebody who. I have a friend who works. Who works for the company that owns Kixie. I think I can hook you up. And then I forgot about it. And then yesterday, Genevieve came home from a little get together and said, oh, here, Katie has this window cling for you, for the listener who wanted it, which is very, very sweet. But like, I have a different email system now. I have no idea who that person is. And so this is a true, true test of the tens community because I.

[Luke Burbank]

Know a lot of people are telegram.

[Andrew Walsh]

A lot of people are listening right now and they're like, oh, well, I could just say I'm the person who wanted it and then I can get myself a free Kixie window cling. And you could. I would never know if you were lying. But this is the honor system.

[Luke Burbank]

I think there's a lower danger of that happening than maybe you think this is.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm sorry, I don't. Maybe my microphone. Let's see. Is this working? Okay, okay. So this is a 3 1/2 by 5 inch Kixie A.

[Luke Burbank]

Now that you mentioned the dimensions Radio clig.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like there are not tons of these around. This was made back when they were still playing like sock hop music. Luke, this is at least three or four years old. Like this is a classic at this point. And so obviously there's going to be a lot of people who are kind of like, well, Andrew won't know. I'll just say I'm the guy who wants this thing. And I'm telling you, I only want the original requester to reach out to me. And I don't know if that person is listening anymore. I don't remember who it was. But we will see if the community can hold back.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like telling a bunch of rats that some. Who left this cheese.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Can you. Let's let me know if this was your cheese that you left behind. You think that there's a danger that other listeners might try to move that cheese as it were. Well, I guess we'll all find out together. I'm just more afraid that that person doesn't listen to the show. That's actually when you said, this is a true test. And I call it the Mukluk Telegram. It's a Mukluk telegraph, which used to be this kind of project in, I think, places like Alaska and maybe even parts of Canada where they would just be these, like, radio shows where you just get on and say, like, because. Because, you know, there was no phone communication in a lot of places. You would just. It was basically like Prairie Home Companion, those little cards that Garrison Keillor would read like, hey, from Jim to the family in Juneau. I'm on my way. I should be there about 11pm on Friday night if the roads hold.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love that so much.

[Luke Burbank]

So I thought you were just basically going like, I'm going to use the power of TBTL to try to reach out to the person who asked for this a long time ago.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Can you get to me? And I thought the danger was we may have to find out the hard way that they're not listening anymore.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, no, I do think that that is. And you know, I'm. Now that I tell this story, I swear, Katie, our friend who brought me this sticker, I swear she gave me one earlier, too, to get to the listener. And now I'm starting to wonder, has this listener already received one and we all forgot about it? Now I have an extra one. Well, either way, if you were the listener, fill in the detail. I am happy. I've been going to the post office a lot lately to a lot of.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, by the way, I got that thing you sent me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, nice. Sounds good. I've been going to the post office a lot because a lot of the, you know, John Sklaroff, numero uno employee tbtl. That's the order we say things in now.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yoda. Did I ever get that right? Ships thank you gifts. He does. He's been shipping out all kinds of, you know, TBTL bracelets and hats and all kinds of thank you gifts from the recent TBTLathon. But sometimes because people move or there's a mistake with the address or whatever, they bounce back and they bounce back to me, baby. They bounce back to our P.O. box. And so a couple of days a week, I go there and I find the ones that have bounced back and then I'm resending them to people. And so anyway, point is, I'm happy to go back to the post office. I'll be there. Anyway. I'm happy to throw this kickseek window cling into an envelope for the right person. Thank you for being a tale.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, let's thank some donors. These folks are making this episode of TBTL possible. And much like pod Save America and the New York Times and msnbc, I think of TBTL as a vital, vital resource in these turbulent times. I mean, I'm obviously being a bit tongue in cheek, but I will say, Andrew, oddly enough, and this is not how we want to be adding listeners and reconnecting with listeners, but I have heard from more people of late saying I had checked out of TBTL for a while and I just needed something to listen to that might be sort of adjacent to the news, but not obsessed with the news. And I'm back, baby. And we welcome everyone back who was not listening for a while, but now is. Once again, we appreciate you. Again, not how we want to build our numbers, but we'll take it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I've been here. I've been trying to respond to a lot of people. Now I'm kind of more than a week behind on some emails that came in directly after the election. And if I haven't written back to you, I apologize, but I mean, truly an outpouring of people saying either, like, I, you know, I've been listening and I need you now more than ever, or I'm returning to the pod, or I was always on the. I was sort of like, on the fence, but now I'm. Now I'm pretty much locked in or whatever. So everybody who's been writing in, thank you so much. And it really does mean a lot, a lot of really kind words for us that I feel humbled by.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Again, the irony that we're only growing as other important news and opinion sites are having trouble. Maybe that's where everyone's going. Maybe listeners are flocking to tbtl. Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, sorry, I don't want to get hung up on it, but, man, you're so right. That headline is so dumb in the New York Times.

[Andrew Walsh]

Flocking. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

They're not leaving MSNBC to go to Fox. They need to. They need to use the word viewers twice in the headline. They need to say, MSNBC loses viewers while Fox viewers.

[Andrew Walsh]

Viewership up. Yeah. Ratings down. Ratings up. It doesn't.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know. I'm not saying I'm a better headline writer, but I'm saying that's a shitty headline, and I appreciate you pointing that out. Also, I think Mike Brehm appreciates that. Mike is our first donor. We're thanking today. Mike's in Turlock, California.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, Mike.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks, Mike. Thanks also to Carl Norimbuena of Issaquah, Washington. Carl, we appreciate you. I don't want to brag on myself, Andrew, but I will point out that this. Because of the vagaries of our. Of our information intake system, we lost the L on Carl's name. And it just appears to me to be car nor M buena. But I know Carl Norambuena. Carl's been supporting the show forever. And I just, I was able to just. I called an audible at the line. I was like. I was like Russell Wilson with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Omaha, Omaha.

[Andrew Walsh]

We tried to draw you off now. No, no, I think we tried to draw you off sides with a typo. You held your ground. You. You were not like the.

[Luke Burbank]

No free play for you.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

I know what's up. I know it's Carl. Thanks, Carl. I know. Also, it's Stephanie King in Kansas City, Mo.

[Andrew Walsh]

I knew it was going to be Missouri. You just had a feeling.

[Luke Burbank]

Now that's. You know what? That's okay because. You mean as opposed to Kansas? Yes, not the camp. Other than Kansas City, Kansas and Kansas City, Missouri. I wonder if there are any other Kansas cities. Like, in other words, is there a Kansas City, Texas? Is there a Kansas City, California?

[Andrew Walsh]

That would be way too cruel.

[Luke Burbank]

Wouldn't that be insane? But like, there are so many. I mean, there are so many cities that have duplicate names, but they're just the real small version somewhere.

[Andrew Walsh]

New Kansas City.

[Luke Burbank]

If we ever started New Kansas City, Maine.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right. If we ever start a new community, let's call it New Kansas City.

[Luke Burbank]

And you know what, Stephanie? You and yours are allowed to move there. You're welcome. Also, MO Star is in Mill Creek, Utah, Mo. Thank you for the donation. You're also welcome in New Kansas City. If we do have to form some kind of a sort of, you know, the Last of Us esque. What was the name of that show? What was that video game they turned into the Pedro Pascal Show?

[Andrew Walsh]

I think you're right. I think the Last of Us. That sounds right to me. I have a question for you. We have Kansas City, Missouri, Mill Creek, Utah. Would both of those be considered the Mountain West?

[Luke Burbank]

I could. I don't know if Kansas City makes it to the Mountain West.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, it does. I just like saying the Mountain West.

[Luke Burbank]

I know it does sound. It sounds like the crisp, clean air.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

A lot of, like, complicated Soda pop orders. Do you know about dirty sodas? Are you up on this whole situation? No, It's a lot of folks that live in the Mountain west happen to be of the Mormon faith and so they don't drink alcohol. And in fact there are. I don't know if maybe that the church relaxed the rules on soda at some point, but it's like the major maybe. I think coffee might still be taboo depending on a person's particular embrace of that sort of religion, if you will. Like, I mean, there's different versions of how observant people might be, but there are all of these spots. I actually think it'd be kind of an interesting Sunday morning piece. They're just these little, like, imagine a coffee shop. But what they do is wild soda flavor combinations. And there's all of these folks, particularly a lot of these, like, Mormon moms, moms that just like hit the. Hit the soda shop at 9 in the morning as they're taking their kids to school a la a Starbucks situation.

[Andrew Walsh]

What do you mean by wild?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, just not like, I'll take a Coca Cola. It's like a, you know, just a combination of flavors that we've never even considered. Let me see, this sounds.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, this sounds right up my alley. You know, I'm a. I mean, when I go to a Mariners game and if I'm drinking soda, I will always do a combo. Like, I have a whole recipe that I try to follow in my head. I love messing around with soda flav. This sounds. This is a very compelling reason for me to move to.

[Luke Burbank]

How about this? How about try this on for size. A Diet Coke, heavy cream, a coconut flavored syrup and lime. Okay, here's a whole Bon Appetit page. Why is everyone suddenly obsessed with dirty sodas? A mainstay in Utah for over a decade, dirty soda is going mainstream thanks to the recent premiere of Hulu's the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Let me see if I can find some other, like, flavors for you. Let's see the. Let's. They've got one. Italian sodas. No, we already know about those. They're just listing. According to the Swig the OG Dirty Soda Shop, the basic formula started out as Diet Coke, lime, coconut syrup and coconut cream over ice.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. So there was, there was sort of a stand. It wasn't just a random name for like messing around with soda. That was kind of a recipe sort of. Okay, I see. Okay. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

So the drink's popularity in Utah stems from the state's Large concentration of Mormons. Most Mormons don't drink alcohol, coffee or other hot drinks. I forgot there's a temperature clause.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know there's a temperature clause.

[Luke Burbank]

I'd forgotten. According to their religious council, so many of them turn to soda instead. Some Mormons avoid caffeine and soda altogether, but the guidance is fuzzy. And some younger generations are even incorporating coffee into their routine. Andrew. And so anyway, all that is to say, a lot of dirty soda in the Mountain West. Although we have established that Kansas City is not part of the Mountain west, we definitely know for a fact that Grand Rapids, Michigan is far away from the Mountain West. But it is where Christy Elburn is checking in.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, Christie. Appreciate it.

[Luke Burbank]

Love those, Love those rapids out there. Big rapids, Grand Rapids, all of them. Marcus Haynes is in Manassas, Virginia.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's fun to say.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure is. Real fun there. There was a battle at Manassas, wasn't there? Is that why I know that name? There had to be a Civil War situation.

[Andrew Walsh]

I want Marcus to write into the show more so I can say Marcus from Manassas, but I want Marcus to.

[Luke Burbank]

Do it in that Ken Burns style. My dearest TBTL, I hope this M.O. finds you well. We are down to our last dirty soda. The men recently ran out of coconut cream and we're an ill temper about it. The Battle of Manassas. Also the first Bull Run. Andrew, come on. When I'm right, I'm right.

[Andrew Walsh]

The first Bull Run.

[Luke Burbank]

I guess there was a couple of battles of Bull Run, but the first battle, the Battle of First Manassas, parenthetically, first Bull Run.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. All right.

[Luke Burbank]

Cheers rang out on the Streets of Washington, July 16, 1861, as General Irvin McDowell's federal army, 35,000 strong, marched out to begin the long awaited campaign to capture Richmond and end the war. Oh, God, I'm putting myself to sleep. Anyway, thank you to all of our donors. Thanks for making TBTL possible today. Hello and welcome to Top Story. Just quickly, this printout that I held up to you, Andrew, is my solution to a problem that for some reason it made me. I felt I want to. I want to say this with peace and love. I, I want to say this without sounding like I'm, I'm, I'm nagging you or saying that your reaction to things is oversized or outsized. But I have observed with you that there can be, and I think for good reason, by the way, a little bit of like, a lot like the cousin of garbage anxiety for you, which is maybe, are people throwing Stuff in my pristine garbage bins. Is delivery anxiety. Like, is something going to be sitting out for too long? Is something going to be either misdelivered or sitting out for a long time or in danger in some way?

[Andrew Walsh]

Danger is the wrong way. Actually, I would like to disabuse you of that. I think you're thinking that because there was one example last week or two weeks ago where I get this really expensive medication delivered. And so I'm protective of that. But aside from that, like, I will always tell people, we've lived in this house for two and a half years. We have never had any issues with deliveries sitting out there. Mail delivery, we have a really good mailbox that is. I. I don't. And you can think of other examples other than my medication last week.

[Luke Burbank]

I feel like there was something else that I was like, you were talking about, but I can't remember it. So I will back down from that. But I still want your advice on this. Basically, I have to go. After we're done today, I'm going down to Portland and I have something that I rarely do, but I have plans to get coffee with my friend Marshall down there. And I just got an update from some company that I've ordered some, like, big photography, like, printed out, like framed photographs from. And then I'll be putting up in my new little bedroom. And I'm very excited about these, but they seem very, like, not something that could be left out in the rain. And the problem is, because of the way that this is set up now, my place, the Madrona Hill studio, which used to be a garage, now kind of looks like a little house because I guess that is essentially what I've tried to make it. It's an adu. And so I don't know if it's confusion or, to be honest with you, I don't want to use the word laziness, but just kind of like there. Sometimes when stuff gets delivered, they just lean it up against the door of the studio. Now, there's not an address on the studio, but you do have to go down some steep stairs to get to the house. And again, either just because folks think this is the house or because they kind of don't want to carry the thing down the stairs, it is sometimes the case that stuff gets left in front of the studio. Now, that would be terrifying to me because I'm going down to Portland and then Becca and I are going to hang out for the weekend. I might not be back up here till like, Sunday afternoon or Sunday night. And I cannot handle the idea of these pretty expensive large framed photographs. What it is is it's a triptych of a cloud. So it's like a really beautiful photograph of a cloud but then it's three different large format photos of the, you know, and you. I'm going to put it up over the headboard of my bed. The idea of those things sitting out for the whole weekend is terrifying to me like that. It just seems like absolutely a bad idea. But I don't know what to do because I've already canceled coffee with my friend Marshall before and I feel like he. I'll just. The short story on that is he's actually a, he's a guy that I met when I was shooting in la. He's a film producer. He actually works with the guy Ed Zwick. He, they've produced all of the movies. The Last Samurai and these like a bunch of movies. I can't remember all of them. A glory, things like that. Anyway, he moved up to Portland and I was like, oh, we're both in Portland, we should hang out. So we've hung out a couple of times. But like he's new to Portland. I'm trying to kind of be like a guide and a friend. But I keep canceling because I'm bad at keeping my word and have a lot going on. So I feel like I can't cancel to wait for these photos. So my solution now is I like size 35 million font printed this thing out. I'm going to tape it to the door of the studio facing out. And I'm just hoping that when this. Oh, because by the way, this stuff is not supposed to show up until 4:30 today at the earliest. That's the other part of the story. So I will be long gone by then and I'm just, I have so much riding on them reading this note and going down and placing this very, very sensitive, very delicate stuff in the doorway of my house where there's a little bit of rain protection as opposed to in front of the Madrona Hill studio.

[Andrew Walsh]

I wonder, do you have an. Because you're going to be gone more than a day you said right? Like all weekend. So do you have a neighbor that you could just like? What about your guy who gets upset about the raspberry or whatever, the razzle berries? No, I think I nailed it with razzleberries. Like can you just say like, hey, I see this thing was delivered. Could you just make sure that it's kind of like not out in the rain maybe?

[Luke Burbank]

I Should. I don't know if Brian and I have that relationship yet. I could probably ask. Also, they're gone a lot. They're retired. They've got an Airstream. They're like, man, they live a more exciting life than I do. I've got Bob, the other guy, but he's also got a place up on Lake Mayfield that he goes to a lot. I don't know if I can. And also, I feel like every time I reach out to Bob, it's to ask him to put a package inside.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, the last time I've done this before.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, well, the last time this kind of same thing happened. I was literally had a bed delivered from, like, Wayfair. So it was in boxes, but it was so heavy, and I didn't realize how heavy it was going to be. And it was another thing where I was going to be out of town. It was going to be rainy. And I think I saw on the cameras that the. Again, they had brought the stuff, but they had leaned it up against the studio instead of taking it down to the alcove. And I, like, literally immediately was like, texting Bob, like, hey, man, can you just put that inside the studio, please? That's like, really? Because it was like a mattress and stuff, you know? And he was like, no problem. And then when I got here and I tried to carry it out of the studio down to the house, I was like, this is heavy as. So I feel kind of bad. Like, I basically said, hey, could you throw your back out for me for a minute, Bob? Would you mind that?

[Andrew Walsh]

So a mattress in the rain? I don't even know. I don't even want to tell this story. As you know, I love where we live. It could be described as a somewhat scruffy part of town. I mean, let's face it. When Seattle is in the news for cracking down on crime, they will focus on several different areas in the city, and North Aurora is one of them. Literally, our neighborhood. I don't like to. I never feel unsafe here. I love our little neighborhood, and I think it's getting better all the time. So I don't love to amplify. I think that some people of mis amplify that message. But, you know, it's definitely. It's. It's definitely not like a tidy little suburban neighborhood. It's, you know, whatever. So it's not totally uncommon for somebody to leave some shit on the corner. Like, we. We have a pretty sweet situation where our house is kind of like, there's an alleyway behind Us and then we live in the corner of two roads. So we only have like kind of one set of neighbors and we absolutely love them. But that alleyway gets some sort of weird traffic sometimes. And sometimes people will just like dump a bunch of shit. And it's like that type of thing where it' kind of like hey, I'll put a free sign on this thing. Yeah, right. But it's like nobody want. I mean it's just disgusting. And then it's winter in Seattle and it gets rained upon. Right. And I'm going to tell you about a moment that I had just earlier this week that it was not my proudest moment and I literally thought several times over the week like somebody somewhere has a security cam where they caught me doing this thing. But I was just so pissed off. I if you can sort of picture where again we're. We have street parking, we have ample street parking and our house is on the corner and so we park our car on, you know, on one street. And then I was leaving to grab lunch the other day and so I take a left onto the other street. So this is now I'm seeing our house from sort of the other corner, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I see along our big wooden fence somebody just took a frickin mattress.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh no.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just leaned it up against our fence. And like sometimes people will do that.

[Luke Burbank]

Why you need to get cameras?

[Andrew Walsh]

This is why I need cameras. So I need to move to the east side. I But anyway, like so I, I was just like I pulled over in my car. You want to talk about like garbage anxiety or whatever? Like I was so triggered by this, like somebody just taking a mat. And it was raining, dude. I mean like somebody just taking their nasty mattress. And it wasn't like visibly like a nasty mattress, but like it's any, any mattress.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, that someone else has been sleeping on that you don't know that is now in the public space. It nasty.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, that is leaned up against my goddamn fence. Kind of near, you know, at the corner of this alleyway. And I just, I pulled over my car. So this is on the left hand side of the street, if you can picture. My house is now I'm passing on the left. So I come around the corner. I've just gotten in my car, I'm driving around the corner. I pull completely over and just park headfirst in front of this mattress and just without even thinking, just get out of my car as fast as possible. I just throw it. Kind of like I tried to throw it towards the other side of the, of the alleyway. And it just lands in a big ass muddy puddle and just starts like soaking up this mud. Now listen, nobody was going like nobody was going to use this mattress. Somebody just didn't know how free on it. It didn't have free, but it was like leaned up against our fence in this way that was kind of like, look, I, I am a generous person who has come into a new mattress of my own, but I don't want to keep my largesse to myself. So please, somebody else use my gently used mattress. Like, come on, nobody needs this mattress. And now it's literally raining and so I must have looked like a madman. And I pray there are no security cameras that still have the footage of me parking my car almost like nose first, like a cop arriving on a scene towards the mattress. Very light mattress too. And I just like, kind of like I tried to throw it to the other side of the alleyway, but just like landed right in. And I mean a mud puddle. This alleyway is basically all mud now. And it just immediately, like a sponge started soaking it up and I just get in my car again. I keep driving. Now, I will say when I came home and this was always sort of my plan, I just didn't want to be caught red handed throwing this mattress. But when I came home, there's a great service here in Seattle called I think it's not click it or ticket. It's like, it's like find it and fix it, I think. And there's an app called Find it and fix it. So when I got home, I opened up the app, took a photo of it, said specifically where it is, and reported it as illegal dumping. And within three days, two or three days, they wrote back like, we're taking care of this now and it is now gone. But I was just so pissed off. I was so pissed.

[Luke Burbank]

What I was trying to understand is because this, it's so not fair to you. But the problem is if you just throw it into your neighbor's, like where your neighbor's garbage cans go, or leaning up against your neighbor's fence, it's like, now it's their problem. Now you knew about this, you know, find it and fix it thing. So that's a whole other level to it. It's funny, I understand the impulse. It's funny to me that like, you knew you were going to call to find it and fix it people. You knew this was going to get resolved, but in the moment you were just so mad. You were just like, you friggin Samson. That thing all the way over to the other side of the alley.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, that and also I didn't. If anybody had happened to see the scene of me hurriedly like kind of parking my car and then like kind of throwing this thing. I didn't want to then stand out there for like two minutes opening up my app, taking a photo of it. I just wanted to get the hell out of there and.

[Luke Burbank]

But you wanted it off of your property.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I wanted it off of my property right away. And like, it's kind of hard to explain. I wasn't throwing it into a neighbor's yard. Not that this is any better, by the way, but the way we look at things is on the other side of the alley is more of like kind of an apartment building. Like a very small kind of apartment building with like some like. What would you call it? Sort of like scrub brush or something. And then like kind of a little parking area. So I just basically threw it on the other corner, which isn't like a person's house. It's just sort of. No man. And. But I mean it looks like shit. I mean it looks terrible when you throw a mattress into this. What? Into these like basically these dying bushes next to a tree or whatever and next to a big. I'm not trying to make it sound like I did the right thing. It looked absolutely trashy, but at least it wasn't like I threw it in Ed's yard.

[Luke Burbank]

And also I think that there's an. Actually an important. You were doing something very important in that moment, which was you were getting that thing away from your fence before anyone else gets any ideas.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because like if you garbage, right.

[Luke Burbank]

If you leave it there for three days until the fix it and ticket people get there, how many people see that and go. I guess that's where we're throwing now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right?

[Luke Burbank]

Right. You do not want to be fighting that battle all year. So you've got to get it out of there just so that it does not become. It's not modeling for anyone to like, for any behaviors.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now imagine this though. So I was leaving my house to go to the post office, as I mentioned before, and then go grab some lunch. But now I've touched a wet ass mattress that was outside.

[Luke Burbank]

So like if you didn't have gloves.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I didn't have gloves. I did it quickly. But then like I'm driving the car and I'm thinking the whole time, like I did not stop for lunch and I went to the post office and I was like. When I was not holding a package. I was, like, holding my hands in front of me like a doctor the whole time. It's kind of like you're like, hey.

[Luke Burbank]

Siri, can bedbugs get under your skin?

[Andrew Walsh]

I was literally just thinking, like, bedbugs at the very worst, but just anything. And it's like, oh, I just, like, touch this wet, strange mattress. I was going to say, though, this is sort of an. And Genevieve is the type of person who's very much into, like, you know, and to her credit, by the way, like, if we get a new piece of furniture or whatever, like, finding a home for the old one and not just throwing it into the dump, into the landfill or whatever. And we had a couple of. They're like three shelf metal, sort of rack shelving. If you can sort of picture it, you know, like, kind of not perforated. Like, basically made of, like, wire, probably strong wire, but like, then dipped in that plastic. Do you have any idea what I'm talking about? Can you picture this at all?

[Luke Burbank]

It's like rubber.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it's like rubberized metal wire.

[Luke Burbank]

Like a white rubber. Rubber outer coating.

[Andrew Walsh]

And in this case, they were black. But, like, we had them in our basement, and, like, we had a bunch of games on there and just various kind of rumpus room bric A brac. Right. And then about a month ago, we found a nicer piece of furniture that I can actually put out there, then store my records on. And little by little, we're just kind of making it a little bit nicer down here. And so we got a real piece of furniture. And then we had these two extra. Extra, you know, very utilitarian, very useful, not particularly nice looking, but not beat up. Like, they're just like these. These metal shelving, you know, rack shelving sort of. And Genevieve's like, yeah, okay, I'll take a photo of those and I'll get rid of them on Buy Nothing. She's like, we could probably just put them out in the. In the street. And I'm always against doing that. Like, we've done it a couple of times here. An old metal desk, I think somebody did end up taking. But, like, I'm just like, at what. At what point? It just looks shitty. If something is out there for a long time. Like, it just starts to look really crappy. But I was like, you know what? I'll just try putting these out. And I put it, by the way, at the end of our driveway, and I put a sign on it that said free. And there was something about, like, not putting it in sort of the tree lawn area or in this no man's land of, you know, it was like our driveway. Very clearly. This is us, the homeowner, saying, you can have these shelves. Luke, they didn't make it 20 minutes before somebody grabbed those things. Just like that, they were gone. And, you know, they're the perfect thing if you need, like, shelving for your garage or basement or something like that.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, I almost bought some of those the other day because I told you I've been, like, getting my bedroom organization on. And by the way, I did do that. And golly, does it feel good. I got all of my clothes now, like, you know, first of all, made a goodwill run.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, that always feels good.

[Luke Burbank]

Amazing.

[Andrew Walsh]

But you have talked about. I'm getting you off track here. But every time you bring up, like, the fact that you now have this, you know, bedroom and you're. You're putting everything away after all this time. It's been a couple of years, and you're finally getting that. But what about. Is there any joy in also reclaiming another room? The room that you were sleeping in is no longer, like your temporary bedroom. That must also be fun. What are you doing in that space?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that's a whole kind of annoying project. Honestly, what I've done with that space is I cut. I ripped all the carpet out. I've spent an entire evening on my hands and knees pulling up carpet staples so that I can sand the floor and then repaint it. It's hardwood, but they. For some reason, there was a bunch of. They painted part of it. It's just kind of a. It's a mess. And unless I wanted to, like, rent a sander and try to revive it, I'm just going to paint it and put out a big area rug. But that. It has this terrible. I call it Holly Hobby, but I don't know, some just nightmare wallpaper in there, which I'm now painting white just so it's neutral.

[Andrew Walsh]

You're not painting over top of the wallpaper paper.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm painting over the top.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you can do that?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know. It's a good question. We'll see how it turns out. This is sort of a stop gap because what's going to happen eventually upstairs is I'm going to remodel the bedroom. There's two bedrooms upstairs. I'm going to, like, tear down the. Most of the drywall, replace it, move some things around. So what I'm doing right now is just making it a Little less gross upstairs. So that when, like maybe around Christmas time if I'm having, you know, family over and when Addie comes over and stuff. Stuff, there's better guest room options. So that room that I was using is going to be turned into. When I was sleeping in there, it had this carpet that came with the house that's the whole up upstairs area. And it's very like you were talking about just much like a mattress moving into somebody else's old ass carpet in your house is never the greatest feeling. You just like, you're like, man, this thing's got memories. You know. I was happy that when I pulled it up and pulled up all the foam in this room that I had been sleeping in, there wasn't any like weird staining that would indicate like, you know, cats going to the bathroom in.

[Andrew Walsh]

The corner the room.

[Luke Burbank]

Like there wasn't like there was no evidence of a murder. Yeah, like there was a, like it actually seemed like, okay, this is, you know, they didn't mistreat this room in too bad of a way. But, but anyway, it will be nice having that room available for other people. But it's not a room that I'm going to be using on a day to day basis. And it's also I'm, I'm kind of investing some time in it for the next six months to a year, which is a little counterintuitive. I still find myself in that dilemma with certain parts of this house, which is if it's an area that I have long term plans for, how much work do I put into the short term of that place, of that area? It's like I kind of don't want to, but also. So if I just take like two or three days of my life to like for instance the room. Boy, sorry, you really got me on one now. There's a, there's a guest room that my dad sleeps in when he's here. And that room was also really sucky for a long time. Cause it also had like weird wallpaper and like wood paneling that was buckled. And then I just finally took out the carpet, took down the paneling, painted over the wallpaper and got a new bed and a new rug in there. And it's like so much better now. Like, and that was a couple days of work. So that's kind of what my intention is for the room that I had been previously sleeping in is like make it kind of nice. Er, but then at some point go in and really like go to town on it. Like it's going to get a new window which is a whole tearing. Basically tearing a huge section of this wall out. I've already purchased the window because I want it to have a nicer window that's not fogged out and that has, you know, increases the views and things like that. So. So that's why I'm a little bit like. I'm kind of. I'm slightly torn about the project of the room that I have recently decamped from because I'm. I don't know how much work is too much work to put into something that long term I want to actually really just tear apart.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that makes sense then. Yeah. Because I was a little confused about the painting over. If it's just a temporary thing, the idea of pulling off all of that wallpaper than to paint it then just to knock that wall down.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't. And also, yeah, I don't want to like, like whatever. Like I tried to take the wall, the wallpaper off in the other room that my dad sleeps in and it's way. I got a steamer for it and everything. It's a hassle. I don't know if you've ever removed wallpaper.

[Andrew Walsh]

I haven't.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's a. I can imagine though it sound. I 100% believe you. It sounds terrible.

[Luke Burbank]

So anyway, but I'm very. I'm. I'm quite enjoying my new. My new life in my new bedroom which now has a semi working place for my clothes. I hung every. I've hung up all my other stuff. I've taken a bunch of stuff to Goodwill, a bunch of stuff that I was like holding onto for some reason. And then I looked at it and I was like, it was useful for me to move rooms because it made me really take a. Take stock of like, do I even care about this or do I wear this ever? Or why am I saving this even? You know, no offense to us, but like old TBTL T shirts that are not even wearable anymore. Like one where it's like our faces, but it's made out of like TBTL letters or something. Like just stuff like that that I was holding onto as I was like, I don't know, this is memorabilia for me. But I was like, I've also jogged in this shirt a thousand times. It's kind of ruined. Like it can go to Goodwill. So anyway, but let's see, where was I going with all of that?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, you were sort of interested in those shelves that I had put out.

[Luke Burbank]

I almost bought I almost bought one of those. Those shelves that you described, except I felt like it would be stylistically clashing with what else is going on in that room. So instead, I bought some wood shelving that I cut and put brackets up that goes above where all the clothes are hanging. But my point is, I was standing in the aisle where that kind of wire rubberized shelving was in the Home Depot, and I was like, this is so effective. Like, this is exactly. This will totally serve the purpose. But I was like, aesthetically, I can't do it. Yeah. Again, in the words of Kamala Harris, we're not going back, Andrew. We're not going back to that. That.

[Andrew Walsh]

Great for a garage. Great for, like, you know, putting your tools on. Like, totally utilitarian. And again, the ones we put out were in fine shape. Like, honestly, probably not different than the ones you were looking at in the store, but, yeah, same for us. We wanted something sort of. Sort of nicer out there. I'm just so glad you knew what I was talking about, because it never occurred to me how hard it is to describe that shelving, if you don't know what I mean. I know that there are people in our audience who know what the words are for that kind of shelving, but I did not realize until I had started that sentence that I have no idea how to describe what the hell I'm talking about here.

[Luke Burbank]

It's the major way that. It's the major interior closet system for every single starter apartment in America.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, so that's probably how people know it. But again, yeah, I was. And I'm. Again, my impatience is just so rampant, unfortunately, that. So I went to the shelving area of Home Depot, and then that's what was in the shelving area. And I was like. Like, I really, really wanted to get this thing put in that day, whatever the solution was, so that I could then start stacking stuff up there so I could figure out how much actual usable space I had. And. But then I was like, I don't really want this. But I was also like, who's gonna ever look in the closet? Whatever. It has doors on it. It doesn't matter. I was talking myself in and out of it, and I thought, I bet you if I go over to the lumber area, they have long, straight boards that work great for shelving if you just measure correctly, you know? And like, I went over there, sure enough, they did.

[Andrew Walsh]

And then you installed brackets.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I put up two brackets. There are already kind of. It's hard to Explain. But basically, like, yeah, I put some brackets up, put the shelving up. It's great. It works. It's. It looks nice. It didn't take that long. It was not at that expensive. But I was so close to just walking out of that Home Depot with this wire ass shelving because I just wanted. Again, I do think it might be a slightly ADHD thing where I will get locked in on a series of things that need to happen in a specific order. First of all, I feel overwhelmed by trying to decide what the order of events should be. And then once I decide what they should be, then I'm locked into that order of events to a very like almost paralyzing degree.

[Andrew Walsh]

That sounds like adhd. I thought ADHD is. You're sort of like bouncing from one thing to another to another. I always think of ocd, like me being.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe I've got both. Yeah, maybe I have adh, ocd, cd. Because it does. It starts with. I was talking about this the other day. It starts with me being overwhelmed by the possibilities. Me being overwhelmed with like, well, how am I going to organize this closet? What is going to go where is it socks on top or underwear? Well, I know that I need to always. I'm always changing my socks every day and I'm usually changing my underwear. But what if I change? What if I took a shower at three in the afternoon and I put on underwear and now it's the next day, but I still haven't gone for a run yet. I might need the underwear. Could be second drawer. Like this is just like the constant noise in my brain. And then. But once I decide on what the plan is, then I get super locked into the plan. So I decided the plan was the next thing I need to do is put this shelf in above where the railing is that all the clothes hang on. There were some like extra 3ft of space that was usable space.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yep. There's literally my closet. Only my brain was like, I doubt it.

[Luke Burbank]

My brain was like, okay, once I put this shelf up, then I can purchase like some plastic storage stuff or some kind of storage stuff that can go on that shelf. And now I have a sense of what my real maximum storage possibility is with this space. And then once I know that, then I can start deciding what goes where. Because if I try to decide what goes where before I put the shelf up, I'm working with incomplete information.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I know you did a better. So I have this little closet downstairs which is our closet talk. This week has just been maybe not on Point, but certainly bountiful. But if you can picture just, like, a small closet, again, mine is not the kind with sliding doors. It's like you open the door, you pull it out. Yeah, I thought you did a nice job with it. Right. So I have all my clothes hanging from, you know, like, a standard height pole that all the clothes hang from. But then above it, there was no shelving. It was just all this dead, empty space. But there was, like, molding. I don't know if molding is the right word, but basically molding along the sides of the closet that it was so clear that if I went to Home Depot or Lowe's and got a piece of wood cut perfectly, I could just set it on top of. The point of that molding is to hold a shelf that just wasn't there. But. And I did that, and I was sort of proud of myself also, because there was some ducting up there, and I was like, I'm not 100% sure if I get this cut to spec, if I'll be able to, like, wedge it up there in a sort of geometrical way like this work. And it did work, but then that's where I stopped. And this is where I'm more encouraged by the things you're talking about. Because then I was like, okay, look at me. I just built a shelf. And then I just started, like, I just shoved a bunch of shit up there, you know, and it's, like, not very usable. But you bought little plastic drawers, it sounds like. Or some sort of organizing thing you're going to. Well, then maybe I can say I'm going to as well. Or maybe you can pick some up for me at the organizer.

[Luke Burbank]

I'll keep you and the listeners posted.

[Andrew Walsh]

We can't wait.

[Luke Burbank]

All that is to say, when I get into the Home Depot and I go to the shelving department and all I see is shelving that I don't want, that's where my brain starts to really lock up. Because this one side of my brain is saying, we must install this shelf to move forward with our very life. Like, and then the other side of my brain is like, yeah, but we don't like this rubberized. They didn't even have it in black. I might have considered black. It was just that standard rubberized white wire shelving stuff. And I was looking at it, and I was like, I've had that in so many places I've lived in my life, and there's nothing else that goes with that. In my. In my closet, everything is natural wood it's, you know, whatever, there's a thing happening. And I was like, this is going to bother me every single time I look at it. But also, I really, really want to solve this in the next two hours of my life. And. And I really battled with that until I was like, no, don't do this just because, like, don't buy this out of desperation. First of all, go see what else is available, and if nothing is right, then wait until you can get the right thing. What I'm describing is the way that most adults brains just naturally work, but just not mine unless I really tell it what to do.

[Andrew Walsh]

I understand that. I understand that instinct though, too, because, well, I think our brains are very different in these regards about getting projects done. Because I will look around the house and have a million things I'd love. I mean, right now, I can just tell you a million things that I don't like the vibe of. I don't like my CD shelves in here, which are ikea. Like, I just. The drop seal. There's a million things I don't like about this, but about the studio, but, like, I will never fix them because I'm just so deeply lazy when it comes to projects. Like, it's just like. And the idea of. And this is my problem. When I move into a place, the sort of is. What's the word? I guess apathy. I was gonna say entropy. I don't know if entropy is the right word, but, like, you throw a bunch of stuff, you're like, I'll deal with this later. But then once you're, you know, you're like, okay, this corner isn't great. I need some shelving solutions here. But for now I'll just sort of stack my boxes there or whatever it is. These plastic storage units. And I know they're ugly, but I'll leave them there for now and I'll deal with them later. But then I never deal with them later because I love just sort of like. Like, you know, if I'm. If I have extra time, I don't feel like tearing something apart or even thinking or even, like, I think about this. Like, with you and Genevieve, you're just like. Well, there's a fun aspect to it. Like, you have a blank space above your bed. You immediately got your triptych. And that's cool. There are so many places in this house where I either want to replace art or we need some art, and we've known it since day one. Above the couch, right outside my studio here, there's a Big area where we've been talking. And, like, it will not happen until Genevieve does it. And like. And it's not like I don't. And this is the thing. It's not like I don't have opinions about it. It's not like I don't walk past that. We have a bunch of ugly, like, sort of, like, I don't know, face plates that are screwed into walls around here, hiding some sort of electrical thing at some point. Like, ugly as shit. Like, I should, like, just look into patching those areas up because I don't think they're necessary. And, you know, painting, there are just a million things, but I will never do any of them. What I will do, like I did last night is start cleaning the house around 11:00. And, like, then I did, like, last night I spent. I just started, like, I was like, well, this little area needs vacuuming. The next thing you know, I have out, like, some sort of Mrs. Meyers carpet refresher that I'm sprinkling all around the basement carpet. And I'm doing a full. And then while that's soaking in, I'm now doing. I'm cleaning my bathroom and I'm pulling everything out of my bathroom. And then there's like, this all started at 11, and I woke up this morning. I was like, oh, that's nice. I cleaned last night. But, like, I can do that, but I can't take. I don't know. I'm just so. There's something about a project that I'm so averse to, and I don't. I don't know what it is, but I really hate it about myself because I have opinions about my space, but I never fix any of the stuff that drives me nuts.

[Luke Burbank]

For me, the. I'm also. The longer that this thing goes on here, actually the lazier I'm becoming because, I don't know, I just feel like I've been at it for a long time and I'm kind of over it. It. But the two things for me, one, I am. And this kind of violates the Maya this is the good part theme that I've tried to embrace, which is to say it's not about getting to the end of the thing and then admiring it as much as it is being like, hey, the. The fixing of the thing can also be the good part. That being said, I do like to sort of, like, fantasize about the moment where, like, I keep thinking about. So the room that I was sleeping in, I keep thinking about the moment when it's all painted and it looks a lot better than it does right now. And there's a nice area rug, and there's a. Yet another bed ordered from Wayfair, and it's all set up and like, my, you know, like, whoever Addie's over and someone's staying in that room and they have a nice night's sleep and they come downstairs and we're having coffee in the morning. I keep imagining that moment and I'm like, well, that'll make it all worth it. In other words, I. Or I think about in getting my new bedroom together, like, well, when I'll wake up. In fact, it kind of happened this morning. It's like when I was reorganizing everything and moving stuff and taking stuff to Goodwill and painting and screwing in. And that's all the stuff that's not particularly fun for me. I was like, yeah, but I'm going to get up in the morning, I'm going to look out at the river, I'm going to go get my running clothes, and I'm going to know what drawer they're in, and then I'm going to be playing. Oh, by the way, dude, who. What's the name of that guitar player you sent me? Gil?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, Herb Ellis. Yeah, Ellis in Wonderland.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, dude, I am. You got me. I'm on the train. I've been listening to so much Herb Ellis.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's good. I'm glad to hear it. I was going to say. I actually was thinking about it later after the show. I said that I'd sent you the whole album and then said, oh, don't listen. The whole album is just the one song you'd like. I was remembering the details of it. The album is good. I was re Listening to that record the other day, too. It's just that I had told you specifically, hey, listen to this. You had a night. I remember you had a. Specifically, like a late night airplane ride. And I remember sending you this and saying, this will be perfect for your flight back to Seattle. And then I listened to track one, and it's like this pretty athletic guitar solo that I was like, do not. I was just picturing you like, I'm gonna listen to some relaxing jazz and being like, andrew does not understand what people need on a flight at midnight. But there's some great tracks on there and also some good ones for Night Flowers Lights too.

[Luke Burbank]

I've also just kind of started a couple of algorithms based on Herb Ellis. And then it's. It's just a lot of that kind of Django, Ryan Hardy kind of jazz guitar stuff, which is a, a space that I haven't explored much and I'm really enjoying it. But anyway, I got up this morning, I like put on a little Herb Ellis and I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, puttering around. I get the coffee going and then I, I go over to the, to the closet and I move the closet door over and I open a drawer that has my, my, my running socks in it and then I grab my shorts from the place where they go and I grab the kind of shirts I wear for jogging from. Anyway, it's just this, I had this moment this morning of a very banal moment of life that I've been looking forward to experiencing in that exact way. So that's kind of rewarding. So all that is to say I'm with you. I'm not big on projects, but I think I can psych myself up enough. Also, my love of consumption really helps because like you said, Genevieve and I enjoyed enjoy shopping for and we have sort of different ways of doing it. I think Genevieve's way is much better.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's deal hunting.

[Luke Burbank]

She loves deal hunting, carbon footprint reducing. You know, maybe buying something that's been pre owned but works well for what you need or even rehabbing something. Like. I really admire Genevieve's approach. Mine is usually just to throw money at the problem with mixed results. But there is, I do enjoy acquiring stuff. I enjoy hunting for something and then acquiring it. So, so that also motivates me. If I look at a blank wall in my bedroom, I'm like, okay, well, what would be immediately, I think what would be a fun thing to acquire to solve this problem which kind of, you know, propels me a little bit. Let me just because I mentioned it, because it won't be relevant after tonight, tell you that I have far too much invested in Mike Tyson beating Jake Paul tonight in a boxing match on Netflix. Now, this is complicated for a few reasons. One, Mike Tyson himself has a complicated past.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know. I mean that, I mean, I mean.

[Luke Burbank]

Mike Tyson has been imprisoned for sexual assault. He's been, you know, he's been involved in a lot of stuff and a lot of very violent and very, you know, terrible behavior. Again, some of it, you know, where he's been literally legally found guilty. Guilty. He's also had this kind of really strange sort of third act where he's like a Buddhist and raises pigeons and just like smokes weed and is a man of peace and he's been very much rehabilitated. I don't know if he's literally been rehabilitated, but in terms of the public eye, at least the certain part of the public eye, he's. No one talks about the fact that he went to jail for raping Desiree Washington, you know, and I think that that's, we need to keep that in mind. It's, you know, it's part of his history. But I also feel like this guy Jake Paul, who he's fighting is such a manifestly evil human. And I don't know. I don't know if I think his politics are maga. I'm pretty sure, like, he's, he's just one of these, like, nihilist bros who thinks nothing matters or only cares that maybe his tax bracket is positively impacted. Just the, the worst kind of young male who has moved towards Trump because they just, again, they think nothing matters. They don't think about anybody else and they don't think about the implications of it. They just go, I don't know, you know, he seems like a badass to me or whatever. And I have gotten really tied up. And I think because, and again, we already just kind of had this conversation at the beginning of the show, but I think because so much feels so awful right now and there are so many areas in which the quote, unquote, bad guys seem to be winning and being rewarded for bearing back this Mike. This idea of Mike Tyson beating Jake Paul has become consuming to me in the last 24 hours. Like, I need him to beat. I need him to mop the floor with this kid. But it's like, I don't even know how I feel about feeling that way.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I don't know if you want to hear this or not, but they're both Trump supporters, so I don't know if that changes.

[Luke Burbank]

Trump supporter.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, here's. I'll read to you directly from this.

[Luke Burbank]

It actually helps me.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is USA Today. Yeah, I think they're both kind of garbage people. This is USA Today. This was from before the election, for that's worth. Actually, it was Election Day. This is, this was published maybe the day before Election Day. Mike Tyson, Jake Paul share ties to Donald Trump in support of former president. But now it specifically says this is where the details are maybe, you know, somewhat relevant, although I kind of don't care that much. Before the 2016 election, Tyson told the Post, the Huffington Post, he should be President of the United States. Hell, yeah, Big time. Tyson has offered no public endorsement this year, but in off the Cuff remarks has made it clear that he still supports Trump. So I don't know if that mutual.

[Luke Burbank]

Mutual knockout. You know what it happened. Two people punch each other so hard at the same time, they both get knocked out. Nobody wins.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, listen, this man has played a lot of literally, Mike Tyson's punch out. I think he knows a little bit about boxing. Everybody, I'm talking about you, Luke. I am fascinated by, and I haven't done a lot of reading about this, so maybe it's an easy answer and maybe I shouldn't bring it up, but I'm fascinated by the economics of this thing. So I believe this is actually. And I don't know if this is. This used to be common in boxing or the professional fighting world at all, but it's like this thing like Netflix, I don't think is paying for this thing. I think this is actually a Jake Paul production. Like, he produces his own events and then shops them around. So it's always interesting to me, like his for Netflix. And maybe I'm echoing a conversation that I heard another podcast. But, like, do you think that there are, like, if it's a pay per view, it's very clear, like, there's only one way to get this fight and we are going to pay per view. Right. But with Netflix, their whole model is, well, we want as many subscribers as possible. That's how they make money. They also do have some advertising, depending on the tier that you pay for. So maybe it's a. They'll probably heavily advertise during this thing. But aside from that, like, I don't know how much Netflix has had to invest in this, but do you think there's anybody out there who doesn't? Do you think that anybody signs up for Netflix for this fight?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I bet, yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Maybe they're doing temporarily. I just, maybe this is maybe just my own. Where I am in my own class or whatever. I just sort of feel like everybody who has Net, everybody has Netflix now. It seems like it's one of the most affordable streaming services, but I guess they're still. I guess they're still fighting for eyeballs. So there might be some people who are like, well, I'll just get it for this fight and then never cancel it.

[Luke Burbank]

I have a feeling that's a part of their calculation. And also, so they're. They're big on trying to do live events now. Because, you know, somehow that is something I don't really, I don't even fully understand that. I guess the thought is that if the, the One thing you can't time shift is like live. Or the one thing you don't really want to time shift is live sports that draws big audiences still. I mean, football is. Football games are regularly the most highly, you know, sort of watched events in television in a given week. And I guess it's because. Because it starts to expire pretty quickly. Whereas, you know, whatever the latest show is that's popular, you can kind of wait forever to watch it. I don't know why that matters, because it seems like if somebody, if somebody waits three weeks to watch the latest episode of somebody somewhere or they watch Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson, aren't you getting a watch in either case? Does it matter that the person takes three weeks to watch it? I don't understand why one watch, it seems to be more valuable than the other to them. Them. But they certainly are hyping a lot of live stuff that was with that, you know, John Mulaney, everyone's in la. And, and again, other, like, sports things are all.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah. The Tom Brady Roast, I think.

[Luke Burbank]

The roast of Tom Brady, I think.

[Andrew Walsh]

And some other. Yeah. Live stuff like. Oh, and they were messing around with like live. I want to say Aziz, but it might not have been Aziz. And sorry, but it was some very famous comedian also did like the fir. Oh, you know what it might have been. Chris Rock did like a live Netflix, like almost like an old HBO model, only as Netflix. Although I had heard that that, like the fact that you and I didn't even talk about that. I heard that it was not very fun. It just wasn't good. But whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

You have done me a great service today, Andrew, and I'm being totally serious by. By alerting me to Mike Tyson's also horrible political takes so that I now have no opinion on this fight tonight. You've released me good from a jail that I was in called caring about this fight. And I appreciate you baked a file inside of a cake and brought it to me on visiting days, and I have now been able to tunnel my way out. Are you scanning my very jailbreak metaphor?

[Andrew Walsh]

Are you scanning more details? Because as I'm talking to you, I'm scanning more. Trump was defending Tyson in his rape case publicly back in 1992. It looks like. I mean, it's all garbage.

[Luke Burbank]

I guess I was hoping, because Mike, I mean, Mike Tyson is. I honestly think the thing with Mike Tyson is he absolutely does not consider what he's going to say until he's saying it. And there's absolutely no consistency about it ever. Like he's equally likely to threaten horrible violence towards someone. And I'm not talking about someone he's in a fight with, like Jake Paul, but just like a random person as he is to basically, like, start quoting, you know, Gandhi or something. Like, he is a real mess of a person. But he has, He's. He has gone through this. This kind of reputational rehab where people don't talk about the time he did in jail, I believe in Indiana for a rape case, you know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And I think that that movie the Hangover had a huge thing to do with that. Right. It wasn't that seemed like it was such a whitewashing of his reputation. That kind of always irritated me. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm being serious when I say I'm so glad to have to give zero shits about this night. It no longer represents the last possible saving of our democracy. It's just two horrible people being horrible to each other. And may they both. May they both concuss each other. Speaking of me wishing injuries on people, Andrew, maybe we do some emails here and I can make a clarification here.

[Andrew Walsh]

I go once again with the email. Every week. I hope that it's from a female.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, man. It's not from a female. All right. Speaking of me wishing physical degradation upon people whose politics I disagree with. With. I was a little wrong yesterday when I was talking about who I was calling a player for the San Francisco 49ers. I was calling Joey Bosa, but in fact, I was thinking about his brother, Nick Bosa.

[Andrew Walsh]

I forgot there's two of them and.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm trying to remember somebody. Correct. Very nicely corrected us on this, I think, in the emails. Why am I having trouble? Or was it. Was it a different. Was it maybe in my dms? Were you on this email?

[Andrew Walsh]

It was Kate.

[Luke Burbank]

It was Kate.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, great.

[Luke Burbank]

Kate listener. Kate said, I'm sure I'm not the first one to email you. You were Kate. So see you later, suckers.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, this is dates with Kate. Kate too.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Our friend dates with Kate. Kate Bosa. The Bosa that you want to blow is acl is Nick Bosa, not Joey Bosa. Nick is the ass hat that wore and got fined for wearing his MAGA hat on the field. I mean, they're both trash, so blown ACLs to them both. But just saying. And then I love it. Signed peace and love from Kate. So anyway, I wanted to correct the record. I'm guessing that Nick Bosa, I'm guessing his politics are also not great.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would be a hell of A story. Pretty funny. If he was like a Bernie bro, wouldn't that be hilarious?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, if he was like. Yeah, if he was just like. They were raised in the same household. They both played football their whole life and were molded by the same forces. But for some reason, reason. Nick pursued the way of inclusivity and peace and Joey pursued the way of horribleness.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I think that backwards again. Joey is the. So Nick is the one who wore the Trump maga hat. Joey is the one who wore the Shama Sawant T shirt.

[Luke Burbank]

Hope you're happy, Shama. Great job with the Jill Stein. Great job with the Jill. Jill Stein. Rex, I know I said we're not throwing anyone out of the boat, but I shama towards the edge.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was going to do something here. While we're talking about emails and v mails, we had both sort of referenced early on in the show that a lot of people have been kind of reaching out to us and sharing their feelings after the election. And a lot of people in some dark places and some, you know, and just like, trying to work out their feelings and trying to figure out how. How we all move forward from this without, like, truly, truly losing our minds. Right? And I got an email from listener Mike, who's who. I'm not gonna. I'm not sure that this whole email was really for assumption, so I'm not going to read the whole thing. But essentially, you know, after the election, going through some pretty rough stuff, and then a few days later, watching TV with his partner and laughing and then kind of feeling like almost as weird, like, guilt for like two. For laughing and like not. And not being more in the moment. As if we can all do that, right? Like, we're all supposed to be like the joyless for four years. Nobody thinks that. But this feeling that I understand Mike having of just like, should I. Should I be laughing right now? So then they, apparently they talked about that some more. And he said he listened to TBTL2 and he said, like, I thought about it a little bit differently. It's truly the personal relationships in all of our lives that truly matter. And we absolutely should care about the greater outside world as well. But in the end, small moments of shared humanity, nobody can take that away from us. And so anyway, inspired by the conversation, he wrote a song. And since we can't play copyrighted music on the show anymore, but we do have sort of a tradition of play playing songs to go out on a Friday, I thought we could play this song. It's called Bittersweet Victory. From listener Mike and we'll go out with this and thank you for sharing. Thanks for sharing your music and your thoughts with us, Mike and everybody who's written in.

[Luke Burbank]

And I'll just say if you are hearing this and there is something that has been kind of helping you just feel like you can get through the day, share that with us. I'm sure we're all ears on, you know, I don't know, hobbies, frameworks for how you're thinking, wishing Jake, Paul and Mike Tyson mutual assured destruction. Whatever is getting you through music, art therapy, let us know and we'll pass those along because I think we're all kind of all ears at this moment as to ways that we're going to kind of get through this looming four years together. Because we are going to get through it. We got no other choice. So that is going to do it for our broadcast week and we're going to be all done until Monday morning when we'll be right back here with more imaginary radio. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a good weekend, take care of each other and please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all.

[Luke Burbank]

The sea lights. Lost in thought feeling just right you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Looked over Spark ignites in the night.

[Luke Burbank]

We'Re taking flight Whisper secret, quiet delight.

[Andrew Walsh]

Time sensitive made our bright nights bittersweet these dreams we share Letting go without a care Echoes of our pop and flare.

[Luke Burbank]

Feel the wind flow in the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Air Chasing shadows as I was fade.

[Luke Burbank]

Hopes and dreams in a grand parade.

[Andrew Walsh]

With every step our path is laid.

[Luke Burbank]

Find meaning in this escapade in the garden of our unshaved we'll recap now. Memories replay.

[Andrew Walsh]

Power out.