#4371 Words By Dumbs

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL Episode #4371 "Words By Dumbs"

Podcast Information:

• Title: TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live
• Host: Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh
• Episode: #4371 Words By Dumbs
• Release Date: January 1, 2025
• Description: TBTL is a daily show hosted by two longtime friends navigating the world with humor and camaraderie. In this episode, Luke and Andrew delve into a curated list of intriguing vocabulary words, interspersed with personal anecdotes and playful banter.

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1. New Year's Resolutions and Reflections (00:00 – 03:35)

The episode kicks off with Luke and Andrew discussing their New Year's resolutions. Luke initiates the conversation by encouraging everyone to share their progress on their resolutions.

• Andrew Walsh shares his ambitious goal: “learn a new word every single day,” expressing enthusiasm about his progress (00:06).

• Andrew Walsh humorously reveals his unconventional resolution: “I want to do a cartwheel, but real casual,” highlighting his struggle with motivation (00:17).

Luke acknowledges the common challenge of maintaining resolutions, stating, “most resolutions are abandoned by February or sooner” (00:29). Andrew admits he hasn't started his vegetable-eating goal yet but remains optimistic.

The segment is light-hearted, with a playful interruption from "Christine," who brings a humorous twist about being labeled OCD (00:50). This exchange underscores the show's casual and comedic tone.

2. The Evolution of TBTL (03:35 – 10:18)

Luke provides a retrospective on the show's origins, mentioning its start in 2008 as a radio show and its transition into a podcast. He reminisces about past episodes, including a focus on words and film reviews, particularly highlighting Gus Van Sant's works.

• Andrew Walsh reflects on the show's long-running segments and his personal journey with TBTL, emphasizing the growth and changes over the years (06:07).

The hosts discuss their early experiences in radio, sharing nostalgic memories of interacting with listeners, performing impressions, and dealing with technical aspects of broadcasting. Luke recounts working on a folk show with interactive trivia, where producers like himself and Andrew engaged directly with the audience (06:31).

3. "Words By Dumbs" Segment: Exploring Vocabulary (10:18 – 32:53)

The core of the episode revolves around the "Words By Dumbs" segment, where Luke and Andrew explore a list of interesting vocabulary words provided by a listener.

a. Quell (12:30 – 14:00)

• Luke Burbank introduces the word "quell," prompting Andrew to share his thoughts.

• Andrew Walsh discusses his disappointment with the usage of "quell" in a Waxahachie song lyric, expressing his dissatisfaction with the rhyme quality: “swallow my pride it's mine to quell. I put you through hell” (13:05).

This segment highlights their playful critique of word usage in popular culture.

b. Panopticon (14:00 – 16:29)

• The discussion shifts to "Panopticon," where Andrew provides a definition related to incarceration design and its psychological impacts.

• Andrew Walsh delves into historical aspects, linking it to Eastern State Prison and the evolution of incarceration practices in the U.S. (15:16).

This conversation intertwines definitions with historical context, showcasing their ability to blend education with discussion.

c. Abrogate (16:29 – 20:57)

• Luke Burbank defines "abrogate," and both hosts reflect on its meaning and personal interpretations.

• Andrew Walsh shares a childhood misunderstanding of the term, linking it to Native American practices, and critiques its portrayal in a "Seinfeld" episode (19:33).

Their analysis connects vocabulary with cultural references and personal anecdotes, adding depth to the conversation.

d. Skoogling (24:41 – 30:46)

• The hosts introduce the term "skoogling," a word seemingly coined by TBTL themselves.

• Through a "needle drop" game, they attempt to uncover the meaning by replaying segments of past episodes, leading to humorous revelations about their own content (27:37).

This playful exploration demonstrates their ingenuity in creating and defining new terms within the show's context.

Notable Quotes:

• Andrew Walsh: “I put you through hell. I put you through hell.” (13:05)
• Luke Burbank: “You do have a big swirl. I don't even have hair there. Look at me.” (03:35)
• Andrew Walsh: “I think it's a pretty simple principle of the psychology of being a human... it's about trying.” (10:18)

4. Personal Anecdotes and Stories (32:53 – 50:18)

Beyond vocabulary, Luke and Andrew share various personal stories, enriching the episode with heartfelt and humorous moments.

a. Technical Glitches and Intro Tapes (15:27 – 28:50)

• The hosts engage in a game to identify parts of previous episode tapes, leading to laughter and reflections on past technical issues (27:46).

b. Donor Appreciation (33:06 – 37:54)

• They take time to thank their donors, highlighting individuals like Steve Nelson and Dave Austin, and sharing fond memories of their support and contributions to the show (33:26).

c. Family and Travel Memories (37:54 – 50:18)

• Andrew Walsh recounts memories of vacations, including trips to Siesta Key and experiences with his parents, emphasizing the impact of family dynamics and spontaneous adventures (42:08).

• Luke Burbank shares his own beach experiences, reflecting on childhood memories and personal growth through interactions with nature, such as being swept by ocean waves (48:16).

These stories provide listeners with a glimpse into the hosts' lives, fostering a deeper connection and understanding of their personalities.

5. Conclusion and Wrap-Up (50:18 – End)

As the episode progresses towards its end, Luke and Andrew acknowledge the length of their discussion and the numerous topics covered. They express gratitude to their listeners and donors, ensuring the audience feels appreciated for their support.

• Andrew Walsh humorously notes the potential for the word list to extend well into 2025, highlighting the ongoing nature of their exploration (50:35).

• Luke Burbank wraps up with well-wishes for the new year, reinforcing the show's commitment to continued engagement and shared experiences (50:44).

The episode concludes on a positive note, balancing the extensive content with heartfelt thanks and encouragement for the future.

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Overall Insights and Themes:

• Educational and Entertaining: The episode seamlessly blends vocabulary exploration with personal stories, making learning engaging and relatable.

• Humor and Camaraderie: Luke and Andrew's playful banter and mutual support create a warm and entertaining atmosphere.

• Nostalgia and Growth: Reflecting on past experiences and the show's evolution emphasizes the growth of both the hosts and TBTL over the years.

• Community Appreciation: By acknowledging donors and listeners, the hosts reinforce the community-driven nature of their podcast.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Luke Burbank: “One of the hardest parts about making resolutions is keeping them. In fact, most resolutions are abandoned by February or sooner.” (00:29)

• Andrew Walsh: “The sea was angry that day, my friends. Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.” (51:17)

• Luke Burbank: “I feel like yesterday was 2024. It was a totally different show... today, though, because today's 2025, whole new ball game, my friends.” (01:41)

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This episode of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live exemplifies the hosts' ability to intertwine educational content with personal narratives, all while maintaining a light-hearted and engaging tone. Whether delving into obscure words or sharing cherished memories, Luke and Andrew create a multifaceted and enjoyable listening experience for both long-time fans and new listeners alike.

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

The goal of this meeting is to get everybody excited about their resolutions. Who's been good about their resolutions so far?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, my goal was to learn a new word every single day, and I must say that it is going immensely.

[Luke Burbank]

Creed, I noticed you don't have a resolution on the board. What's yours?

[Andrew Walsh]

I want to do a cartwheel, but real casual. Like, not make a big deal out of it. But I know everybody saw it. There's one stunning, gorgeous cartwheel. How's it going? I'm having a little trouble motivating.

[Luke Burbank]

One of the hardest parts about making resolutions is keeping them. In fact, most resolutions are abandoned by February or sooner. Yeah, it's not a joke, but that's okay because it's not about being perfect. It's about trying.

[Andrew Walsh]

I said that I would eat more vegetables and I haven't yet. But it's okay. I still have time since last year I ate none.

[Luke Burbank]

Tbtl. Hey, Luke and Andrew, it's Christine, your London based Scottish 10. Just ringing to wish you a good new year. Here's tears line me alum, reek and power out. I saw a woman psychiatrist and she said I was ocd.

[Andrew Walsh]

One cool dude.

[Luke Burbank]

And she understands the way I think right now. And everything's cool, Everything's copacetic.

[Andrew Walsh]

Everybody's happy, and I'm happy too. How drunk are you? A lot to vary. Overloo to kafu.

[Luke Burbank]

And this is what happens when you hire two guys for the podcast.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, happy new year, everyone, and welcome to a Wednesday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. New year, new podcast where we are gonna get to the topics that we promise we're gonna get to in the show. We're not gonna do like we did yesterday. What you. What you have to remember is yesterday was 2024. It was a totally different show where we said we were gonna go through a list of words that we use a lot on the show. And when we didn't, then we talked mostly about the film work of Gus Van Sant. Today, though, because today's 2025, whole new ball game, my friends. And right over there, the guy who's gonna help us do it, the longest running cobra of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships and for his getting to the point. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Luke Burbank]

Copacetic was a word that was just used in that intro. Was that macho man, Randy Savage? I can't remember. He sent me that tape. I believe by the way, that was a recycled intro from last New Year's Day. I say that not to throw us under the bus, only because I hadn't previewed it before playing it just now. I was like, oh, a New Year's Day intro. We'll use it. And then I realized we're kind of. I don't know if the listener who wished us a Happy New Year from the other side of the globe really wants to wish us a happy New Year this year as well. That was last year's reading, and I.

[Andrew Walsh]

Feel going into 2024 was a little different. I also feel like, funnily enough, Randy Macho Man Savage unintentionally channeled, I think the emotional state of everyone going into 2025. If you hear him kind of deteriorating, he. Him kind of trying to be like. You sort of evince this, like, you know, kind of vibe of being like a tough guy and everything was cool, but you can just hear the cracks forming in his resolve. I think that's the energy. Although I'm trying something new in 2025. I'm trying to have my hair be exactly like Conan O'Brien's.

[Luke Burbank]

You do have a big. You have a big swirl. I don't even have hair there. Look at me.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've got a little bit left.

[Luke Burbank]

You can check your hair in the top of my head. It's so shiny.

[Andrew Walsh]

I didn't put any gunk in my hair today. And what that means is, over time, it does it. It gets it. Conan O'Brien's pretty. Pretty hard. So that's. That's what I'm bringing to 2025. That's my. That's my energy.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm looking at myself. I'm looking at the top of my pate here in the. In the camera that we're using. And I honestly wish this tiny. That this little bit of hair in the very front that's hanging on, I wish it would just let go. I don't want to shave it because that's.

[Andrew Walsh]

Go to the light.

[Luke Burbank]

Just go to the light. Because it's like it's not really hair there anymore. But by remaining, I have to manage it in some way. Then it starts to grow because it thinks it's still real hair, but it is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Doesn't know that most. It just doesn't know that most of it's. It's the. It's basically what it is. It's like that last Japanese guy fighting on an island somewhere in the Pacific. It doesn't realize that it's Generally speaking, kind of lost the war. I'm just using your words there.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no, no, no. I'm. Yeah, just like. I just wanted to just like.

[Andrew Walsh]

Shh.

[Luke Burbank]

Let go. It's. Let go. It's okay to let go. You've given it your all. You've given it 48 years. It's okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think, actually, you know, I would say that the way that your. Your hair is. Is kind of leaving parts of your head is actually a nice. It's the nicer version of. There's a few versions, a few ways it can go, but I think it's. I think. I don't know how to say this without sounding either patronizing or like I'm insulting other people who've had their hair leave in a different way. But, like, I think you wear it well. I don't think it, like.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you should mention the listeners who can't see me that I started losing it at the back of my neck first, and it's crawling forward from there. So it's an interesting.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I thought it was weird how you had sideburns behind your ears.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you come up with that? That wouldn't be the first time you saw. That wouldn't be the first time you saw a Steven Wright joke.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God, that's so. I did not even realize how much I was walking into a Steven Wright plagiarism spoof. But, boy, you got me the first good spoof of 2025. Go in the Andrew Walsh column there.

[Luke Burbank]

There we go. All right. Should we remind people what. Because we probably. I'm guessing that as the calendar page turned and we're looking at a new year, I assume we have a whole bunch of new listeners today. Is that how podcasting works?

[Andrew Walsh]

I believe so, yeah. A ton of people have migrated over. A lot of people's New Year's resolution was to listen to a podcast that's very boutique.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Okay, so good. So let me catch people up from where we were. TBTL was started in 2008 as a radio show. Well, you've got to go back before that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Jen Andrews and I had known each other for years, starting with when she was a producer for Curtis Sliwa's the Guardian Angels show on W. I think it was WABC in New York. That was where she got her start in radio.

[Luke Burbank]

And when did you start thinking about radio?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, very early.

[Luke Burbank]

Andrew, what are some of your earliest experiences? I mean, because we gotta do some.

[Andrew Walsh]

I got a lot of them. Of course. I'm thinking about, you know, listening to Bruce Williams show, Talk Net in the middle of the night because I was worried I was going to overhear my parents having sex. That was a pretty formative time for me. I used to listen to the. The top eight at eight. And I would call in and I would do a Ronald Reagan impression. Richard Belzer isn't the only one with a bad Ronald Reagan impression, Andrew. I would call in and. And Chet Buchanan would answer the phones. He was the dj. And I would, if he let me. Like, it was. It was novel that this, you know, second grader called into the party line to do a Ronald Reagan impression. But the problem is I didn't have any material. I just had. Well, so that was. And I remember him saying, hey, like he said something like, you got to kind of like, he's like, hey, man, you know, great that you're calling him, but you gotta. And I remember he. I don't know how I. I mean, I guess I know this through kind of retroactive stuff, Andrew. Which is. What I know was happening was during the commercial breaks and during the songs and during. When he wasn't on the air, this guy was recording these calls onto reel to reel tape. Because you would call in and it would ring and ring and ring. I mean, first of all, you'd get a busy signal, but if you got lucky and it started ringing, you were like, oh, my God, yes, it's ringing. And then it would. You'd hear this like that sound of like you're being patched not onto the air, but being patched through the board. And then he'd say like, you know, like K hit. And then he'd be like, hi, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna say something on the party line. Okay, hold on. What's your name? All right, where are you calling from? Okay, hang on. And I would again, I don't know, I wouldn't have this time identified if what he was doing was starting a reel to reel tape that he was recording me on. And then he was gonna edit that down later. And I got my Ronald Reagan impression on once. And then the second time I think he was like, you gotta have some. This has gotta. You gotta have some material. Yeah, like Belzer did, talking about Nancy, don't forget my diapers. That would have been. That would have killed.

[Luke Burbank]

That would have killed.

[Andrew Walsh]

Incontinence, joke about Ronald Reagan. That would have killed.

[Luke Burbank]

I used to be on the other side of that when I worked on this folk show. And it was. It was public radio, but it was a little bit of a kind of A wacky vibe for public radio. I think it was this folk show on WKSU hosted by Jim Bloom and his sort of crew of student employees like me and Adam and some other folks who work there. And what he would do is he would put out a trivia question for the listeners, and then he would put on, you know, like maybe a long song by Emmylou Harris or something like that. And then he would run into the tiny little booth and then a producer like me would be in there. Sometimes we, the producers would just take the calls and then. And then like splice together a bunch of people giving wrong answers until we get to the right one. Sometimes Jim would run in and we would just sort of engineer it with him or be there and he would, like, take it because people would love it if he picked up the phone or. Right. And then we would do that. And then. Then we had. That was one of my earliest, like, really quick turnaround things. And you'd grab this tape and then by the time the Emmylou Harris song was over or maybe the. God, I wish I could. I wish I could drop more. He was always like that era late 90s folk music. But he would put on another track and then we'd come rushing in like, Jim, it's ready. And I think we started doing it right at the advent, maybe right as.

[Andrew Walsh]

Tape was bailiff too kind of international.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, no, Bay Laflek. We bailiff.

[Andrew Walsh]

What about the fleck to they probably got left.

[Luke Burbank]

They know they were all very well represented on the WKSU folk show with Jim Bloom, I promise. But all the point of that all.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is, by the way, new listeners. We don't talk about Bay Lafleck that much. I just want to like level set for 2025. If you're tuning in. This is generally shows much hipper than this.

[Luke Burbank]

So then TBT became a podcast. Then I joined the show and here we are. And what we started doing yesterday was we went through where we started to go through a list sent in by listener Kristen from Thought Thunder Bay, Ontario, who has been keeping track of some interesting just vocabulary words that apparently we tossed out during a year's worth of episodes in 2024. Remember, 2024 feels like forever ago.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was yesterday, Andrew.

[Luke Burbank]

And we went through a bunch of the lists yesterday. We got through Celerity. I know. And Rashaman.

[Andrew Walsh]

I missed my chance yesterday to say see you next year. That's a real missed opportunity.

[Luke Burbank]

That's like. That's. That's the equivalent of calling somebody a short timer once they Put in their notice. There's just something about the guy who. Hey, short timer. Don't call me that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is there anything better than putting in your notice? Is there anything better than walking back to your desk at the job you don't like when you have put your notice in and how radically that reframes how you feel about the place?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is a sort of. I think it's a pretty simple principle of the psychology of being a human, which is the reason that bad experiences feel so bad to us is because somewhere in our brain, our brain says, well, this is just the state of affairs indefinitely. This is forever now. And that's a horrible feeling. Including a job that you don't like. And then as soon as you are. No, no, I have this for 14 more days. It's like I could do this for the rest of my life, 14 days at a time. As long as I only had 14 more days.

[Luke Burbank]

Right, right. And also, there's a certain level of, you know, you could have your boss say to you, who do we have booked for the B segment? And you could just say, I don't know, Todd. Who do you have for the B segment?

[Andrew Walsh]

Bring Todd Mundt into this.

[Luke Burbank]

In this case, by the way, in this scenario, I am working for Todd Mundt. He's looking for a guest who can analyze some of the later works of Bela Fleck. Once he left the fleck tones.

[Andrew Walsh]

There is one listener being so super served by that joke.

[Luke Burbank]

I am this close to making a thistle and shamrock reference that will.

[Andrew Walsh]

Fiona Richie.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. All right. Okay. So back to the list. I'm going to say. I think I'm going to the word number three. We got all the way through celerity.

[Andrew Walsh]

Words by Doug's.

[Luke Burbank]

Should we use that show title, Words by Doug's.

[Andrew Walsh]

We have to work in some kind of Doug.

[Luke Burbank]

We got to get Doug in there. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Today could be words by Dougs.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Words by dummies. All right, let's. So the third word on the list, I'm going to say. I'm going to maybe kind of pass through this one quickly. The word is quell. I. I think quell is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I know that.

[Luke Burbank]

That's a common word, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, what's the common usage? No, I know. I know. What? I know why quell is circled.

[Luke Burbank]

Why?

[Andrew Walsh]

Because it is a waxahachie lyric that grinds my gears.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I brought this up on the show. It's that song, swallow my pride. It's mine to quell. I put you through hell. I put you through hell. It's for me, the only miss on an. On a record of otherwise ohtani levels of home runage. That album is St. Cloud by Waxahachie. I think it's phenomenal, and I love it so much. And it's just the fact that she says, swallow my pride it's mine to quell. I put you through hell. I did not like the ending.

[Luke Burbank]

That's how much you live in my head, I will be hearing a song potentially for the first time, and if I hear a cringy rhyme like, oh, you're only using that work. Is that Ryan? I think, like, oh, don't play this for Luke.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good. My work here is done.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, not. He will not put up with that, but great recall on that, by the way. I'm glad we didn't totally skip.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's how. That's how angry I am about that word in that song.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, now this next one, I don't think I'm familiar with this. I mean, I'm pretty sure that these are all words that you brought to the table. I'm guessing Panopticon.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Luke Burbank]

Tell me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Panopticon. Well, it was an idea of incarceration where one guard could keep eyes on everyone, basically on all of the inmates. So I believe a Panopticon design would be the guard tower in the middle and then a circle, and you could keep eyes on all of the inmates at once. And I think it was. I wonder. I don't know exactly why I would have brought it up, but I think that's what Panopticon is.

[Luke Burbank]

And you were doing some reporting for CBS about.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, maybe prison stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, that reminds me, have you ever toured that famous prison in Philadelphia? Right in the heart of Philadelphia, and it's. It is a. It's like an octagon, essentially. And I don't know why it's so famous or infamous, but you. Eastern states of it. Let's see here.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't. I don't think I've been to one in downtown Philly, maybe.

[Luke Burbank]

I say downtown. Maybe it's. I don't know if it's technically downtown, but it's, like, in the city. Let's see here. Famous prison.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Eastern state.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, I've been to Eastern State.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Is that not in the city? I thought that was in the city.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, it is.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm looking at it. No, you're. No, you're absolutely right.

[Luke Burbank]

In the fair of the city, it says.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, no, definitely. You know, you're right. I. I visited that. Carrie and I went to that place.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you?

[Andrew Walsh]

Years ago. And there. Yeah, it's a very. Yeah, it's. It's. I mean, the, the.

[Luke Burbank]

It's chilling.

[Andrew Walsh]

It is chilling because I think. I think it was. This is where I start off with one fact that I'm mildly able to grasp, which is like the Panopticon. And then I start rapidly going into territory that I don't know much about. But there, you know, there has been these sort of movements in how. In how we incarcerate people. And I believe that Eastern State was one of the first or at least whatever was there. Maybe even before Eastern State, there was this sort of idea of incarceration where you isolated a person, and that hadn't really been done before. And the idea was that by isolating someone, they would have to think about what they had done wrong and then they would mend their ways. But of course, it just is psychologically super damaging to people to do that. And I think that that particular school of incarceration, that theory of incarceration, maybe in the US Kind of got its start in Pennsylvania, maybe even at whatever became Eastern State.

[Luke Burbank]

It is. Eastern State is a Panopticon. So I'm looking this up now, and I'm also. Well, I'm trying to type and talk at the same time, but I'm also realizing something incredibly ironic about what we're doing with this word list. So what we were supposed to do, what we had planned on doing, was spending a few days around the holidays talking about the top stories that we never got to on TBTL in 2024 last year. See you next year.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, God, you got me.

[Luke Burbank]

What I'm doing is short timer. What I'm doing instead, or what we're doing instead is probably rehashing the conversations that sidetracked us so that we. Not only are we not doing the top stories that we missed, we're redoing.

[Andrew Walsh]

The few boring things that we did.

[Luke Burbank]

That kept us from doing the top stories.

[Andrew Walsh]

We know it should be probably isolated. We should be put somewhere alone where we can't keep hurting people with this.

[Luke Burbank]

There are more good words on this list, so I will soldier forward.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

How about abrogate?

[Andrew Walsh]

Abrogate to abrogate a treaty, Right. I couldn't tell you why it came up, but I think to abrogate, you know, it's basically like not keep your.

[Luke Burbank]

Word, abrogate to repeal or do away with a law or a right or a formal agreement or to evade a responsibility or a Duty. We believe the board is abrogating its responsibilities to its shareholders abrogate. So I think you were pretty close.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, it's ironic that growing up, there was a term that we would use that I would never use now to sort of indicate, oh, you gave me something, but now you're taking it back, or you're changing the terms of this.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And my read on that as a kid who knew nothing about the horrible history of this country was, oh, that was something that Native Americans did. They would give you something and take it back. That was where my brain filed it. And if you couldn't have a more opposite actual history, like, is that when you heard that term as a kid? I'm guessing that's what you also imagined, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, yeah, I mean, I guess to the degree that I would have examined it at all. I just knew that as a phrase, I think it was still even in common usage. Like, I think. Wasn't there a whole thing about. I think there's a really. There's an episode of Seinfeld. There are several episodes of Seinfeld that don't hold up. And I think that is one that really doesn't hold up. I think you're right.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was hanging around in the culture for. For way too long. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And I think, like, Jerry Sign. Genevieve was talking about this recently. I don't know if she happened to stumble on it or. Because Jerry Seinfeld had been sort of talking about, you know, pushing the boundaries, comedy and political correctness, run a moke and everything like that. But she brought it up. She's like this. There's this episode where. And then he is like, I think he's maybe dating a Native American woman, and they go to a cigar shop and there's like the. The statue and, like. And he keeps leaning into it and they. He does, like, like, noises with. With all the stuff.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, it's. Again, it's just. It's. It's. Not only is it just deeply offensive, but it's so deeply the opposite of what happened.

[Luke Burbank]

Unless going back to your point. Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

And maybe. Maybe. Look, if you look into the history of it, maybe the first. I doubt it, though, knowing any. Knowing what I know about this country. I was going to say maybe the person who came up with it was trying to point out the fact that we kept abrogating our agreements with, you know, Native Americans in this country, and. And that's what the reference was, but I doubt it.

[Luke Burbank]

I highly. Knowing that.

[Andrew Walsh]

No. Knowing how. Knowing how infrequently what we're doing is on the right side of history in this country. I doubt it.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I mean that would be, that, that would be asking a lot. It's like just one woke person in.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, exactly. But also decided to try to also keep it pretty racist while being woke.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Let's see here. It says that that phrase originated in the 1700s, but I trace it back to the roots to at least the 1700s. Anyway, I was reading off of NPR there, but I am not going to read that cold anymore. That seems like a dangerous game to play. Dano.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure does, my friend.

[Luke Burbank]

But that's next word.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's abrogation.

[Luke Burbank]

And you know what we just did, actually we played right into this list because we didn't say specifically the phrase we were talking about. We allude. We alluded to it. That is the next word on the list.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hi, Marge Alluders.

[Luke Burbank]

What'd you say?

[Andrew Walsh]

It was a joke. My friend Caitlin Duffy is listening right now. That was for you. What? I don't know why everything comes back to reel to reel tape on the show today, Andrew, but did she sling caps with you? No, that's my friend Kathleen Bowman.

[Luke Burbank]

Rest in power.

[Andrew Walsh]

But, but, but one of the jobs I had as I when I was the like work study student for, for the weekday program on KUOW was helping edit commentaries. So on this local show they had these comments, by the way, it was a good idea. Somebody should bring it back. It was interesting. It was, you know, instead of a commentary in the newspaper, it was a commentary on the radio. And there were different interesting locals who came in that were just regular people. One was a guy named Jeff Siddiqui and he would come in and I believe he was originally, I'm not going to guess at the country, but he was from somewhere outside the US and he had that perspective and he would come in and he would. So you'd write this op. Ed. Op ed piece I guess you'd call it, or editorial. Yeah. Then they would vet it a little bit. Commentary. And then you would record it on a reel to reel tape. And then my job would be to like, like get rid of the very, you know, the like basically whatever wasn't the commentary before and after. But one of the commentary commentators was this very kind of brassy lady from somewhere in. I feel like she was culturally Edmonds, Andrew. And her name was Marge Lueders. And she would say I'm Marge Lueders. That was how she would, I believe that's how she would either start or end her Pieces. I'm Marge Lueders, and Caitlin and I used to just say that to each other all the time to just make each other laugh in the. The offices of Kyoto. I'm Marge Looters. And so when you said elude, I made a Marge Looters job.

[Luke Burbank]

I see. Okay. So that wasn't for me. I'm not. I'm not a fool for not catching that one. I want to say, though, that I did similar stuff. We had commentators who'd come into wksu, one of whom was Harvey Pekar. He was somebody. Now, Harvey Pekar was a pretty.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a big get.

[Luke Burbank]

When he was coming in, I don't think. I mean, I might have done a little bit of editing or heads and tailing some of his stuff, but I remember, I think a woman named Betsy, usually, maybe Betsy was the one who sort of brought him on board by doing, like, sort of occasional commentaries on wksu. But I know that he was handled a little bit differently because he was such a big name. And maybe it was Betsy's connection. So I think she produced those. And I was a student, but we had a bunch of other people who would come in and record those. Those commentaries as well. I remember feeling a great deal of responsibility when I was tasked with those.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'll tell you, I believe Marge Lueder's time at KUOW is lost to history, because while I'm Googling that. Have you ever gotten to the end of the Internet?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, I have.

[Andrew Walsh]

Where there's a devil that's fishing.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah. On Google.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, yes. Why does it have horns? I don't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just got that guy. I mean, that's upsetting. That's like you got to the absolute edge of the universe.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Peered over.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, when you put all. Did you. You must use quotes or something right around.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know. I'm trying to type in, as we say. I'm trying to type and talk, but I put in Marge Looters K uow commentary. And I just got. I got. I got like the devil fishing. I get that weird monster fishing. So anyway, I'm pretty sure it happened. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. I have another. This is interesting, Luke. Now this. This is interesting is interesting. The next word I put. I put air quotes around that. The next word on the list is skoogling. S C O O G L I N G. Does that ring any bells to you at all?

[Andrew Walsh]

No. It makes me wonder. I mean, we were just talking about Googling. Is it Google? Do you know what that Word is.

[Luke Burbank]

Do me a favor, do me a solid. Google the word scoogling. S C O O G L I N g Nothing else, just scoogling. And tell me what the first result is for you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Episode 4207 In a Collector series featuring a photo of Dan Wilson.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

Current Mariners manager Dan Wilson.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right. And this was from May before he was named a mid season replacement for Scott Service. Episode 4207. The only thing that the Internet has on skoogling is our show, which we titled Skoogling. It must have been a word that we came up with. And I love the fact that it's a young, fresh faced Dan Wilson with a bat literally over his shoulder from probably an old baseball fresh out of.

[Andrew Walsh]

The University of Minnesota.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I love it so much. And the description here is Andrew realizes he has some verbal tics that he really needs to eliminate from his vocabulary. Meanwhile, Luke is floored by something that his parents did with their lattes this morning, which I don't know what. That one. Do you have any idea what that is?

[Andrew Walsh]

So I wonder if they were at my house on that day.

[Luke Burbank]

They might have been.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a bell. And floored. I mean, almost nothing from them floors me.

[Luke Burbank]

What would they do to their. What do they do to. With their lattes?

[Andrew Walsh]

With their lattes. With their lattes.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, they missing out.

[Andrew Walsh]

I can't mean those two. I wouldn't put it past them.

[Luke Burbank]

Hose them down.

[Andrew Walsh]

Seriously, get a room. But I mean, one thing that this is. I can't imagine that this would have floored me. But one thing that I do know that they are like weirdly obsessed with is they. I don't know which one of them started this. Probably my mom, but my dad. My dad now does it religiously when he's just here by himself in the morning is when. So I'm brewing up a pot of coffee and my dad always microwaves a cup of water and then dumps the water out and then puts his coffee in the cup. I think because the theory is it warms your cup up in some way that then your cup will keep the coffee warmer longer. I don't know about the thermodynamics of all of this, but what I know is that both of them, it is like their number one life hack and they love doing it. And it's like it's kind of what gets them out of bed in the morning. And I. So for that I'm grateful. I don't really know how much of an impact it Has. You also might just get an insulated cup or thermos or something. But I don't think that's what would have been flooring me. I wonder what they were doing.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know. I mean, do you want to. I mean, this is a very dangerous game. But we could just try, like, let's try three. Let's try three needle drops.

[Andrew Walsh]

And that's all I'll allow because every one of these takes 5% off of my battery for the rest of my life.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Okay, so this is not counting as a needle drop. Let's just hear what the intro tape was. 5, 6, 7, 8. Okay, so it begins with outside bones. And now I am going to. Let's see here. Fast forward to about.

[Andrew Walsh]

Does this mean. Well, actually, that doesn't make any sense. Does this mean Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is now leading 2025 in terms of tape? But that's not true because we had different intro tape that we started with.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. Okay, so let's try. This is. This is 1504 into the episode.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I did not notice anything out of the ordinary about that conversation. And I was very in favor of putting it up on the Internet because I thought it was a nice little moment, which you said, it's doing some decent traffic.

[Luke Burbank]

Now. This is what it sounds like to me. It sounds like I'm beating you and I have a certain rhythm. This sounds like you talking me out of beating myself up over something I said or did and published on the Internet.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

That's traffic. And that.

[Andrew Walsh]

I hear that.

[Luke Burbank]

And then the fact that Andrew realizes he has some verbal tics. It sounds like I was having a bad Andrew day. I am now. So that was one needle drop. I am going to fast forward to. I feel like whatever your parents were doing, I feel like it comes after the break, but I mean, it's going to go ahead maybe like 11 minutes here, 12 minutes at 27. Mark.

[Andrew Walsh]

People I know they were just on Anna Maria island in Florida with their friends Cliff and Cindy had the time of their life. Like, they are very happy people, and they very much enjoy being alive and they very much enjoy being together. So all of this is kind of a gift. But I would. You couldn't pay me enough to have their life.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. That was our second needle drop. We are close.

[Andrew Walsh]

You're in the area.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you think I go talk backwards from here? We only have one more chance to figure out once for all.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think backwards. I think it's started with me saying, you're not going to believe what my parents did with their coffee.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, so you tell me, you guide me. I first needle drop was at 15. That was me beating myself up. We think I just fast forwarded to 27. You want me to back up to what? 21ish?

[Andrew Walsh]

I would say 22.

[Luke Burbank]

Would you settle for 2149? Yes, 2149.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know why I'm closing my eyes.

[Luke Burbank]

Daddy needs a new pair of shoes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why does don't understand how that really does to me.

[Luke Burbank]

Also we're never couldn't figure out what.

[Andrew Walsh]

Skoogling meant the milk and deemed it to be not great but still consumable until no. Dad said when you steam it it really releases.

[Luke Burbank]

There it is. Okay, sorry. There it is. We got to it. So your parents were using old milk but steaming it to get the devil's out to get the demons out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Steam off the. Whatever the. What happens when milk goes bad? There you go. Wow, Andrew, that was such a good. I want to smoke a cigarette right now.

[Luke Burbank]

But what is googling?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't even care anymore. Dude. I can't believe that actually worked. First of all, like that was a really good call on your part. Great product, great producing, great producer mind.

[Luke Burbank]

The three. The three needle drop system.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I mean that really worked and like. And I'm also glad by the way that you went back to 2147. 22 might have been too late. We really might have needed that 13 seconds. I mean what if we would have missed it by. What if we would have missed it by 12 seconds and then we just would never know. I would go through the rest of my day in just a state. Instead I have the complete relief of knowing what we. What I was shocked by and it was them using milk or half and half that was essentially had curdled.

[Luke Burbank]

Now let's have a little editorial meeting on the air here. Okay, so we've been recording for a little bit over a half hour now and I know that we needed to keep things a bit short today. So here's what we could.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wildly hungover.

[Luke Burbank]

I could. I barely.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can barely get every word.

[Luke Burbank]

You still have that lampshade on your head you're wearing. I didn't even. It's funny that I didn't mention this at the beginning of the show when we were talking about like my bald head. Like you are wearing sort of. You're sort of half wearing these glasses that say 2 20, 24 on them, but they're only hooked on one ear. Your eyes are literal Spirals. Yes, spirals. As you look at me right now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, no, it's. Honestly, it was a pretty crazy night and I. I can't. This is.

[Luke Burbank]

I've.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've basically expended about all the gas I have in my.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, he's shaking out. He's shaking confetti out of his suit jacket, you guys.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm definitely what has been described as a rolling 08. Legally, I'm not allowed to drive this morning. Okay. Because I. Even though I'm not consuming, it's. My blood system is poisoned.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. So here's what I think we should do. It is a holiday. We should get out of here. We shouldn't even be here today. We have more than half of this list to go through. Would you like to continue this game or do you think that word. Okay, I'm having a good time. I just don't.

[Andrew Walsh]

Even though you did point out. You did point.

[Luke Burbank]

You did point out the ultimate irony.

[Andrew Walsh]

The ultimate irony. That is just. That is just. It's rich, Andrew. It's rich that not only are we not. Are we not finishing conversations that we should have finished a long time ago, we're redoing conversations that we shouldn't have.

[Luke Burbank]

Done a long time ago. Happy New Year.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you for being a town.

[Andrew Walsh]

We simply have to thank some of our donors today. These are the incredible, generous, kind folks that are keeping TBTL in existence with their voluntary financial donation. This is. This is how we're able to do the show. It's because of people like Andrew. Are you sitting down?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Steve Nelson. Steve Nelson.

[Andrew Walsh]

Our old boss, Steve Nelson of St. Paul, Minnesota. For the new listeners who are just joining us as part of 2025, this is the person who hired us who somehow convinced his bosses that they should create two full time staff positions for me and Andrew and got us over there working at American Public Media for many years, which was a great thing for us. It allowed Andrew to come be a full time employee of the show. It was a wonderful time. And now that person, Steve Nelson, and has been for now many years, is donating to the program. Just phenomenal stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

Something stands out in my head about that that I was just thinking about the other day. I had an issue a couple weeks ago getting an episode of TBTL posted because of some issue with our. With our. The service provider we use. It was technical times and so I had to do this thing that I do every once in a while. I had to write to the company that hosts our podcast and say, hey, we're Having an issue here. Today's show isn't posting, and I keep on checking the feed and I realized that the show that I was posting didn't have a particularly objectionable title. But the one the day before was Farts all the Way Down. And I feel like anytime you need to reach out to a technical person, back when we're at APM or now that I'm reaching out to this third party about it, I'm like, hey, we're having an issue. Yes. This is where the. Where the podcast where yesterday's show was called Farts all the Way Down. And do you remember when Steve Nelson was sort of in the negotiating phase of getting us on board? He wanted to bring us on board, but he had bosses he had to answer to, and they had bosses they had to answer to. And he was like kind of passing around TBTL link, saying, hey, listen to the show. And one of his colleagues, potentially one of his bosses. The show that we posted that day, we were still independent, but we posted a show.

[Andrew Walsh]

We were courting them. We were hoping that they would decide that this was worth doing.

[Luke Burbank]

And I can't remember if it was in the show title or I think it might have just been. The intro tape was like 110% fart based. And he was just like, can you have this conversation? We're having, like, these kind of like private meetings. He's like, guys, you're kind of. You're kind of killing me here. Like, I listened to my colleague. In the next few weeks.

[Andrew Walsh]

Was it the show that we titled in the fart? Was it the show we titled in fart Infortunate guest.

[Luke Burbank]

That should be today's show title. But that seems a little bit.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, nobody can tell us. No, Andrew, maybe John Scaro.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. But anyway, I actually texted, you know.

[Andrew Walsh]

I texted Steve and the Stubbot a couple of weeks ago because, yeah, there was a Monday night game and it was the. The Minnesota Vikings were playing and they came back this, like in the fourth quarter, they came back to the stadium and there was just a shot of three guys sitting with each other. One guy in a Green Bay uniform jersey, one guy in a Seahawks jersey and Seahawks hat, and then another guy in Minnesota Vikings gear. And I said, it's when the three of us go to the game.

[Luke Burbank]

So that was. That was Steve Nelson, the Stubbot, and the real Norm Charlton.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's it. And it was nice to. Nice to check in with those guys. Thank you, Steve, so much.

[Luke Burbank]

We really appreciate it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thanks also to Dave Austin. In Snohomish, Washington. Dave was my boss at the plumbing company. Oh, really vouched for me. No, that's not. I was just thinking it'd be amazing if every person today had once been my employer or my boss.

[Luke Burbank]

I used to cover the copy desk for Emily Lind in Moundsview, Minnesota. I don't know if you know that. I did open that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Minnesota. What do you think they can see from where Emily lives?

[Luke Burbank]

Probably, like, the mound. I don't know. Can you see the mound, or do you have to be on the mounds?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, are you on the mound? And the view you have is because you're. I mean, that would actually make sense, right? If you. If I know anything about mounds, it's that it's better to be on them sometimes. Some days you're the mound. Someday you're the view.

[Luke Burbank]

That's the one thing you know about mounds, is that someday you're the mound.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I know that if you're standing on it, you have a better view than if you're standing next to the mound.

[Luke Burbank]

No, that's definitely true. If you're standing behind the mound, you have a kind of a terrible view. Unless you just love the view of mounds.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now, Craig Barringer knows all about the work of Marge Lueders, who I think was culturally from Edmonds, Washington, which is also where Craig Barringer is from.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you so much, Craig. By the way, I don't think it came from Craig, but a while back, I got a very sweet email from one of our listeners in Edmonds. That was. The subject line was culturally Edmonds. And it was like. It was a guide. It was like, please come spend more time in Edmonds. And it was like a Michelin guide to all of the places I need to go in Edmonds with links and background. I love it. And it really. I'm not joking. I think about this email a lot. I really got to get over there and spend more time there.

[Andrew Walsh]

There is absolutely no good reason to not be spending more time in Edmonds, Washington. I mean, it's just absolutely as idyllic as can be right there on the water. Great restaurants, great people, Rick Steves sightings. I mean, probably, if you're lucky, a Craig Barringer sighting.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, hopefully it's the place to be.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's almost like the Eugene, Oregon of the Pacific Northwest, which, of course, is where Heidi San is. Eugene, Oregon.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Thank you, Heidi.

[Andrew Walsh]

Appreciate it. I'm gonna be running a half marathon, I believe, in Eugene, Oregon, this spring.

[Luke Burbank]

Really?

[Andrew Walsh]

I got roped into this deal Becca and I are gonna try to run one half marathon every month for the entire 20, 25. Okay, so that's like.

[Luke Burbank]

What is that? Like between eight.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's 13 miles.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. No, no, no. How many. How many is that?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's 12.

[Luke Burbank]

One a month.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, that's one a month.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

12 of them we'll see. I'm leap year.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know. I'm not good at math.

[Andrew Walsh]

Leap year, William. Anyway, so I'm one of them. Happens to be in Eugene. And I guess the sales pitch is. Well, first of all, Eugene, I mean, that's track town, usa. That's where all the University of Oregon is. And the Nike stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

If you stay in the. What's the. What's the hotel that we love? Not the College Inn, but the Graduate or the Graduate.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

If you stay at the Graduate in Eugene, it's all track stuff, you know, like the one in the. The one in Seattle is UW associated. This one is associated with the University of Oregon. It's a very fun, cool hotel. And they've got like, in the. Some of the rooms, like a waffle iron statue, because famously that was the first thing they used to make the kind of Nike running shoe soles. They kind of cooked them in a waffle iron to get that distinctive shape, that waffling of the sole or something.

[Luke Burbank]

They should just put a working waffle iron in the room.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, that actually honestly would.

[Luke Burbank]

Seems like it would make.

[Andrew Walsh]

Probably tastes better be more useful. But anyway, that's where Heidi is, down there in Eugene, Oregon. And then Scott Pomptier is in Poulsbo, Washington. Do you remember when you went to that Mexican restaurant in Poulsbo, Washington? And I believe we were trying to watch the Mariners? Low key, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, that's right. We had. Because we were doing our fun drive week, which was a very busy, stressful week. But then we. We blew some steam off there in the bar section of a Mexican restaurant.

[Andrew Walsh]

I believe I had one of those margaritas, Clara.

[Luke Burbank]

I love those margaritas that are like, not, you know, I mean, listen, I like a real good margarita that's not made from mix. Obviously, that's the ideal. But sometimes you just go to one of those places, you get your refried beans and orangish rice, and you get a margarita bowl that you can just like jump into, dive in like you're.

[Andrew Walsh]

In a Busby Berkeley production, your Esther Williams. Like I. Oh, man. There is. Yeah, there's just a certain kind of extremely predictable Mexican, quote unquote, Mexican food that I just. Sometimes I just crave it like you wouldn't believe. I believe that was also a night where. I don't know if it was that night or maybe it was at some point in that week. And that was a big week for us. Right. Because we were. This was. That was our first independent week. We were broadcasting from my parents basement.

[Luke Burbank]

Yep. You, me and John got an Airbnb somewhat nearby. Genevieve came and spent some time with us there.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was also the trip where my mom. Because we all had to leave on Friday to go to our various places, but we had the Airbnb for one more night. That was, I believe, the week where my mom then stayed at the Airbnb randomly because she was like, hey, free Airbnb.

[Luke Burbank]

And I think it was a little bit. I think it was a little bit of a tussle, figuring out for your parents to figure out if they're both on the same page with that plan, if I recall.

[Andrew Walsh]

I believe that was part of the case. I believe also that my mom called me in a panic because she could not figure out how to lock the door upon leaving.

[Luke Burbank]

Joined the club.

[Andrew Walsh]

There was something where I feel like I was on the phone with Airbnb help or Vacasa help or. And it was a classic kind of experience with my mom, which is like. Like no good deed goes unpunished because I was like, now suddenly it's a Saturday and I'm like panic calling Vacasa because I don't want us to get charged because of like a situation. And by the way, she never went to the rummage sale she was going to go to that was in Poulsbo because the line was too long.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, to get into the rummage sale. The line was too long.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. She drove. She said she was driving. She was. Her whole thing was, I'm gonna stay over and then I'm gonna get up the next morning, I'm go to this really good rummage sale in Poulsbo. And then there was just a line of cars going into the parking lot. And she just said, nope.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, wow. I kind of respect. God, I hate a line.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know who's one of the people there? Scott Pomptier.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, in Poulsbo.

[Andrew Walsh]

In. No, he was at the. He was at the.

[Luke Burbank]

He was actually at the rummage salad.

[Andrew Walsh]

He was taking up space.

[Luke Burbank]

So if he hadn't showed up, your mom might have had the perfect weekend is what you're saying.

[Andrew Walsh]

She got pretty close, though. I'm sure she enjoyed. You know, know it's going. She probably went and like, put her feet in the water, which was very cold, I believe.

[Luke Burbank]

But just like, she's just like, really? Genevieve is the same way. If she's anywhere near water, she has to be at least partially in it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Absolutely. My mom, if there is. If there's water, she's going to be in it and does not matter the temperature. And I, you know, Addie got that from her really. At least when Addie was little. I remember times where, like when we were living in la, we'd go to the beach and, you know, people think Southern Cal. Like, it's, you know, it's warm all the time. The water can be pretty cold if you're talking the middle of winter. I remember once it was a red tide, so the water was. I don't think it was on algae.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. Isn't that.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's algae bloom. But I remember it was a cold Sunday morning, like windy and also a tinge of a red tide. And this kid's just bouncing around in the waves, happy as a frigging seal. And I thought, you are your grandmother's granddaughter.

[Luke Burbank]

I was that way when I was a kid, when I was a young person, a very young person. Well, one young person, despite the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Despite needing glasses.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know, that's a funny story for another day. No, there was. There was a period of time where my family went to vacation for the same. Like we had. We took some pretty nice long vacations down to Florida and our family would drive down there from Ohio and then spend a week in your minivan.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right. That had blinds.

[Luke Burbank]

It was a van van. It was a conversion van. And it did have blinds in. It had a VCR and a little tiny mini mini tube television. We're a little spoiled. But anyway, we shared it. I think we shared that van with another family, with my uncle and his fan. Like my dad and my uncle kind of shared that van. So it'd go between the two. But anyway, we would drive that down to Florida. And I think there were three years in a row that around. I think it was Siesta Key. I want to say somewhere maybe near.

[Andrew Walsh]

I believe Siesta Key might have just come in for some unfortunate weather or something.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, no.

[Andrew Walsh]

Either you've just talked about it a lot, or I have the name Siesta Key at the front of my brain.

[Luke Burbank]

I know that I've mentioned it before, and it's just like such splendid childhood memories of just such a. Because we would leave in the wintertime and then we would show up in Florida and I Remember, the whole area smelled like. Oh, I finally, as an adult, learned what they were. They were these tiny white flowers. They were some kind of.

[Andrew Walsh]

The tiny little star jasmine.

[Luke Burbank]

They look just like star jasmine. It might have been. Does star jasmine have that really sweet smell to them?

[Andrew Walsh]

In my experience, yes. Because I. I've googled. Will star jasmine grow in the Pacific Northwest? It will, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Because I know some people around here, but actually our friend Roden is growing some star jasmine, I believe. I think this is the one. The one that really smells really nice. And some people that I know have some growing outside in their yard as well. But anyway, there was an archway of this stuff. And I'm pretty sure it's star jasmine we're talking about. And it has such a perfumey smell. And I just remember, like, we would get down to that area and we'd roll down the windows. You could just smell the jasmine as we. And I loved this place so, so much. And I think. But I was still pretty young, and I think that by the third, I was a very. You know, my parents were very strict, so I followed all the rules, especially around any kind of danger, like water or pools. But I was so comfortable swimming. And I think I felt so, like, kind of comfortable coming back to the same exact. Like it was a place. We rented a condo or something. I don't know if you can call it a resort, but because it felt like a home away from home for me. By year three, when I was like 11 years old or something, maybe I feel like I younger than that. I just saw this pool and I was wearing my trunks, I think, But I. Some part of my brain shut off and I just beeline to the pool. And I picture this now as an adult. I beeline to the pool and just jumped in. And I couldn't have been 11, I was younger than that. Because I remember jumping in and then suddenly realizing I'm not touching the bottom. I'm not touching the bottom. And then getting a little bit panicky. And then at some point realizing I'm still wearing my glasses and a shirt. And then I pop up and my parents are freaky. They're flipping their wigs, Luke.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because they're doing what happens in every 80s movie when there's hijinks around the swimming pool.

[Luke Burbank]

They're just like. He just jumped into the literal deep end with probably his shoes and his glasses. This little. This little goon was so excited. And I remember my brother.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is this. When the fire went out in my.

[Luke Burbank]

Soul, they hollered at me and then.

[Andrew Walsh]

I said, you got hollered at.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that's right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, no.

[Luke Burbank]

I said, you know, did you have.

[Andrew Walsh]

Another experience there where the, the ocean picked you up and showed you who was boss? That was that in Siesta Key?

[Luke Burbank]

No, I, I, I. At first, I thought you were just joking because it's so cartoony. No, I think that maybe that happened. I think as an, as more of an adult, I hadn't because.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, even, like, you and Veeves were, like, on vacation.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. In fact, because I was so comfortable swimming, and my parents, again, I was very, very lucky and privileged, would take us on these vacations to beach places in Florida. So I grew up at least once a year, like, jumping and playing in the waves. I was never afraid of the ocean. I was never afraid of water. And then decades go by since I take a regular vacation like that. And then I think I was with Genevieve's family as a young adult, probably in my 30s, or I guess an adult adult in my 30s or maybe late 20s, and they all went somewhere on a little journey, and I was like, I just want to stay back and splash in the waves like I was a kid again. And so I went to the beach by myself, and I jumped in the ocean for the first time in literally probably 10 or 15 years. And I, I got swallowed up by the sea, my friend. It whipped me around and punched me around. And then I remember, like, washing up on the, you know, I jumped into a wave, and then it kind of dragged me along the bottom and then washed me up on shore. And I was like, oh, wow. This is a powerful, powerful world we live in with the power of nature. I just remember feeling, like, in awe, like the ocean had to me who was boss.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I've been very lucky in my life of swimming in the ocean that I haven't had, like, a scary riptide kind of moment where I've been. My mom swears that she, you know, they used to go down the. To the New Jersey seashore every summer, and she swears that she got pulled up by a riptide and that she very, very nearly died. Like, she very nearly drowned. Like, she said, she was waving and waving and waving, and she couldn't wave anymore, and she just went under the surface for the final time and then felt someone pulling her out. And it was the lifegu.

[Luke Burbank]

Somebody actually pulled her out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, the light. They had to be saved by the lifeguards. Now, interestingly enough, that didn't in any way dampen her enthusiasm for the water. She'll be swimming in Daebab Bay, which is near their house and is unbelievably cold. She's like part orca or something, but. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Anyway.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right, well, thanks, everybody for donating. That's one way to say thanks to the donors.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it certainly is. That's one way to keep it short.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know it. All right, well, the good news is, if we decide to wear, we've got do we still have plenty of words. We got more today than yesterday.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, we still have plenty of words. We could. We could keep going certainly for another day, but I have a feeling this will take us right through Friday if we want it to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Honestly, this might run us all through 2025 and. And feeling the way I do about the news, it might be a good thing.

[Luke Burbank]

I know, man. I know.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right, thanks, everybody. We will be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for all of you. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Wednesday. Take care of yourselves. Happy New year. Welcome to 2025. Like it or not, we'll all be here together. So that's the good news. Please remember, no mountain too tall and.

[Luke Burbank]

Good luck to all.

[Andrew Walsh]

The sea was angry that day, my friends. Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.

[Luke Burbank]

Power out.