
Changes at HBO Max are getting in the way of Luke’s enjoyment of Somebody, Somewhere. Andrew also catches Luke up on the drama surrounding the resurrected mascot at the Pop-Tart Bowl. And they make their plans to profit off of Popeye The Sailor Man,...
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Luke Burbank
Hey, speaking of fun, I know this super fun drinking game we can play. Every time one of you says something that the other can't relate to, you both drink could be fun. I once played a drinking game with Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively at their macrobiotic farm with a particularly robust batch of homemade kombucha. Do I have to drink for every word? I don't know.
Andrew Walsh
TBTM.
Luke Burbank
He is a fan of the outrageous.
Andrew Walsh
He loves to surprise.
Luke Burbank
He loves other things as well. I'm a Grammy, Emmy, Tony, and Webby award winning and nominated songwriter, artist, designer, director, editor, animator, producer, collector, party thrower.
Andrew Walsh
Do you ever kind of look at.
Luke Burbank
Each other and go, aren't we a.
Andrew Walsh
Couple of Dapper Dans?
Luke Burbank
I want to be the bad boy of public radio like Elvis Mitchell.
Andrew Walsh
Dude, give me a bark.
Luke Burbank
This is grass clippings. Give us the real deal or we're outta here.
Andrew Walsh
You know what I'm do for you guys? I'll hook you up to the best stuff, okay? Don't you guys jump into my van.
Luke Burbank
Dolphin for sharks.
Andrew Walsh
Come on.
Luke Burbank
Well, all right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Monday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Isn't that for techno geeks with spreadsheet? My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host.
Andrew Walsh
Come back, baby.
Luke Burbank
Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it is a gorgeous Monday here in January. Oh, Ma Pa. It's just beautiful. I don't think I knew how much I needed it to stop raining until I got up this morning and it had stopped raining. And in fact, we're looking at blue skies. It's just absolutely idyllic on this January 6th. I mean, everything seems to be going great today. This seems like a August day in U.S. history.
Andrew Walsh
You gotta be kidding me.
Luke Burbank
At least we got the weather going for us people. I am a little under the weather right now. You might be able to hear it in my voice already, but I think I'm gonna be all right. That's why God made cough buttons. I think it was on the eighth day that he made the cough button so that I could mute myself when I need to. Here on episode 4374 in a collector series, let the fun begin. I think my desk bell might be a little under the weather. There we go. That's the sound we're going for. January 6th, Monday, New Year. The new year is, like, really, really here now. The new phone book's here.
Andrew Walsh
The new phone book's here.
Luke Burbank
You know, we had some holiday time off and different things going on. Today, I think is the day that's been circled on everyone's calendar as like the real deal, beginning of 2025. And of course, we've got plenty of news. We've got lots of news. New Year, new Luke, new plans that will probably end up like most of my new plans by the wayside eventually. But right now I'm in the optimistic era involving bird enthusiasm and business opportunities for tbtl.
Andrew Walsh
That cash could really get me out.
Luke Burbank
Of a couple of jams involving Popeye the Sailor man and other things that have recently fallen into the public domain. We'll talk about all of that and we'll talk to this guy. He is the longest running cobro of the show. Oh my God, he admitted. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.
Andrew Walsh
Good morning, Luke. Tell me if this is relatable. This is a new segment we're doing called Tell Me if this is Relatable where I talk about things in my life and how I approach them and people can judge me. I was thinking about going to the gym today. I haven't been to the gym in a long time.
Luke Burbank
I mean, I don't think it could be more relatable. Well, then, then the thoughts that many folks are having this time of year.
Andrew Walsh
Let me finish. I was thinking about going to the gym today. And I am hesitating to go to the gym. Not out of the usual, just slurry of laziness and avoidance, but because I don't want to be a cliche because I don't want them to these very, I'm sure, fine, but very disinterested young people who work at the front desk of the, of the. I almost said 24 Hour Fitness. I can't even remember the name of my gym anymore. So that's how long it's been. But for some reason I don't want their gazes. I don't want, I just don't want to be another person who's just like shuffling in there so that I can be judged along with the masses of doing something so just cliche here on the first Monday of January. Now, is that relatable?
Luke Burbank
I think that is very relatable. Because really, yeah. In fact, I would be interested to see some data on how packed the gyms really are with people who are supposedly, you know, had done New Year's resolutions and are now trying to, you know, kind of reinvent Themselves and exercise. I wonder if that's more myth, if that's like the tryptophan. You know how everybody was like, yeah, you get tired after you eat that turkey. And then they studied it and I think it has absolutely no tryptophan, does not have any kind of sleepy properties to it. I wonder if that's one of those things that we've just all convinced ourselves is true with. With kind of limited actual real world fact based reality, if that makes any sense.
Andrew Walsh
I'll bet. I mean, I feel, I can't say for sure it's been a long time, but I feel anecdotally that you definitely see a surge of people in January at the gyms, the kinds of gyms I go to, certainly the kind of the cheaper chain situations. And so I do feel. But again, that's very anecdotal. And I'll tell you what, maybe this conversation will kind of be the spark I need to make sure that I follow through today and I can report back tomorrow about whether or not those people at the front desk laughed at me and pointed and giggled like that dog and Duck Hunt as I walk through the door. And also, I think that was a.
Luke Burbank
Play on Mutley from Clutch Cargo.
Andrew Walsh
Right? I think they. I think you're right. Hey, not bad.
Luke Burbank
Tell you, this is the year of my impressions.
Andrew Walsh
Wait, I was trying to do. What is the dog? Doesn't he laugh though, or something as well?
Luke Burbank
That was me trying to do the laugh.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, that was the laugh. Okay.
Luke Burbank
Well, I was doing more the Clutch Cargo version. Did you ever like, have the friend or were you the friend? I wouldn't see you doing this. I definitely was this person who would just put the gun barrel of right.
Andrew Walsh
Up to the screen.
Luke Burbank
Duck Hunt again right up against the screen and just like try to set the high score.
Andrew Walsh
I mean, a young boy has a lot of time during the summer. I'm sure there were times I. I feel I can answer that in the affirmative that I have done that at some point. I don't think I did it though, to earn any kind of false valor, if that's what you mean. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think I was then going around and being like, you didn't.
Luke Burbank
Wait for Andy Angstrom to come back in the room and just be like, I guess I'm good at this now.
Andrew Walsh
Yes, exactly. If I did it, it was me.
Luke Burbank
Like, you didn't listen carefully for footsteps and then move all the way back to the Barca lounger, like where you were Supposed to be. And then just act kind of surprised, like, wow, I'm nailing it.
Andrew Walsh
While you're holding your football helmet with the falsely earned stickers on it. Wasn't that.
Luke Burbank
Oh, yeah. Yes. Oh, by the way, I. Viewing of. I had a sighting of some of those stickers the other day in the.
Andrew Walsh
In the hutch or the. The dresser?
Luke Burbank
Yeah, in the dresser. Because I've been moving stuff around in. Yeah. So, you know, I. The. The project continues at all times here at the Madrona Hill studio and little house associated with it. And so a big thing I've been trying to do is make. So I moved from the little upstairs of the house. I think I've mentioned this many times on the show, but somebody that was working on the house said, oh, this is one of those one and a half story houses. I was like, is that like a joke goes?
Andrew Walsh
No.
Luke Burbank
They used to build them this way. There are these couple of rooms upstairs which are. If you're over 5 foot 8, you kind of have to duck down up there. And I don't understand. I always thought it was just the attic and they had just tried to expand it and make a couple bedrooms. And that's why it was like, weirdly, kind of proportioned. I think that was how they built houses in the 1930s or some houses. But anyway, I've been trying to kind of like make the upstairs a little nicer because it's. Now there's two little guest bedrooms up there which is perfect for my parents who have been staying with me a lot lately while my dad's been working on the house because they can go to their respective rooms to sleep. Now, I'll mention this. My mom, apropos of nothing and certainly not because I asked, made the point to clarify to me that they are still intimate.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, good. I was worried.
Luke Burbank
I. I mean, I. I can't tell you how low on my list of concerns that was. But my mom was explaining how. Yeah, at their house, you know, because they're older and my dad snores and my mom snores. They both snore. And they both think that the other one snores worse than, like, you know what I mean? They both underestimate their snoring and overestimate the other person's snoring. So, you know, they. They go to their separate quarters, as I think many people do at a certain point in life. But again, my mom was very adamant to mention we're still intimate. I was like, please save that for Silverdale. But anyway, did you Have a lot.
Andrew Walsh
Of follow up questions.
Luke Burbank
I had, in fact, zero follow up questions. But I have been trying to make the upstairs a little bit nicer and a little bit more. I mean, the H Vac is still a problem up there in that there is no heating or cooling. So while the downstairs, while the main part of the house is kind of is pretty cozy now with there's like a pellet stove and a mini split up, there is, is still, if you like go up there at night, it's like it's freezing cold. It feels like you're not even indoors anymore. So anyway, I have been trying to make the upstairs of the house a little bit more hospitable and I'm now forgetting why did I even get on that topic? Because I wanted to mention to everyone that my parents are still intimate.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, well, that's the headline.
Luke Burbank
So I had moved the room that I was using upstairs. I had eventually moved everything out of there. One, because I was moving my stuff downstairs to this other bedroom. And two, because I was painting it all and getting it all put together. That meant I took this, that dresser, this dresser that I've had since my childhood. I took it out of that room and I put it in the other room. And then eventually when I moved it back in, I took all the drawers out so it'd be easier to carry. And. And when I was taking one of the drawers out, I look and there were the. One of those football helmet stickers which if you're new to the show, maybe your 20, 25 resolution was to listen to more amazing podcasts. And here you are listening to tbtl. That's all right. Most of us aren't able to keep our resolutions and you've already failed at yours. But here you are listening to tbtl. The story goes, when I was on a football team in like junior high, you used to get these little kind of like kind of plastic. They were. The thing about them, Andrew, was they were stickers, but not in that they used a bunch of stick them. It was more static cling related, I think.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, like a window cling.
Luke Burbank
Almost like a window cling. I think was more the deal because somehow I was able to. Every time you made a tackle, you got a football, a little small football sticker the coach would give you. So if you had five tackles in a game, you get five of these stickers and you put them on your hat, your helmet. And then at the end of the season, you could really tell who the good players were because they're just their Helmet was just encrusted with these little, you know, kind of indicators.
Andrew Walsh
I'm sure I said this last time. You know, I didn't. I knew about the stickers. I didn't know what you got them for. I knew it was performance based, but I didn't know what thing I. Or what particular action. But I am surprised that you played defense. Have we had that conversation or at that age, are you playing both sides of the ball?
Luke Burbank
Probably both sides of the ball, but probably more defense. Because I was. I really liked hitting kids. I mean, I was. I really liked the experience of tackling people. And I was pretty shrimpy, too. Like, what happened was every season I moved further back on defense because everybody else was getting bigger and I was not. And so it was like, I wasn't a very effective D line minute, you know, 5, 3 and 95 pounds or whatever. But I think they were associated with tackles because what I knew is that I did not have nearly as many as your Pat Lammert, your Barry Castonas of the world. But what I also realized was I don't think they're changing these out between seasons. So what I'll do is I'll take the. Whatever I had, you know, 10 footballs off of my helmet. I will hide them. I will stick them to the inside of this dresser. I like also that I was hiding them. Like, if someone was to come into my bedroom when I was in eighth grade, they'd go, what are you doing with these football stickers? Somebody call the police.
Andrew Walsh
You should put them on the underside of the drawer. They have to pull out the drawer, empty it out, and, like, dump it on the table.
Luke Burbank
I put them in the inside of the toilet tank with my gun and my. Wow, second gun reference on the show today. It's a, you know, it's a whole new. Whole new ball game in 2020.
Andrew Walsh
Well, the first one was Duck Hunt related, right? Yes.
Luke Burbank
But I still use the word gun. And I think the problem is I watched so much TikTok still, Andrew, you know, while. While we still have our time with TikTok. And, you know, that's one of the words you can't say on TikTok. You know, the people called all kinds of annoying euphemisms, like a pew pew.
Andrew Walsh
Because your thing will be pulled down if you say the.
Luke Burbank
So, yeah, I think. Yeah, I think that's a word that'll get you pulled. So I've, like, internalized that. Now, where. I don't want to say the gun in Duck Hunt.
Andrew Walsh
How is theragun doing with their ads.
Luke Burbank
Well, it ain't the Keurig of booze, Andrew.
Andrew Walsh
That's for danger.
Luke Burbank
Can promise you that.
Andrew Walsh
Have you been seeing. I mean, I know that we're spinning so far to control. Have you been seeing all of the posts of people, Like, I shouldn't say all of it. It hasn't been a deluge. But like, I've seen, I'm going to say more than a handful of people posting or advertising these, you know, drink making machines, these cocktail making machines. I guess the best way to describe would be like a Keurig machine for.
Luke Burbank
Cocktails, which like Robin Quivers did on Stern when I sent.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, that's right, you said. Oh, that's right. You sent me some tape where they were talking about in the Stern show. I saw people, like, getting it for Christmas or the holidays and then sending me photos or seeing them in stores. I feel like. And a little bit backstory on this one is years ago, I guess, during the pandemic, a company asked us to advertise these machines called drinkworks, which were made by the brand Keurig. And the best way to describe it would be it's like a Keurig for cocktails. Except in the copy it said, do not call this a Keurig for cocktails. Which I'll always be confused why they did that. It went out of production after I did one ad, literally. I don't think you did any ads.
Luke Burbank
I did right before I gave them to Becca's brother. Because I was like, they'd like this. And then they loved it. And then they ran out of pods. And then no one makes the pods anymore.
Andrew Walsh
And you know what I have. I just stumbled on this. I was cleaning something up, and I realized I still have some of the CO2 cartridges for it because the CO2 cartridges were so expensive, but we ran out of the ones they gave us for free. So Genevieve and I went somewhere, I think, to like one of those wine and more stores or something. I can't read one of those beer and wine. Huge bevmo. Yeah, Like a bevmo situation.
Luke Burbank
We have a Bev Less out here. Someday we'll have enough for a Bev Mo.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. So anyway, securing for Bev lesses. But anyway, I just came across these, like, what seemed at the time somewhat expensive cartridges for a machine that I no longer have that I remember breaking into pieces so it fit in the old garbage can at the old, which is not environmentally probably what I should have admitted to, not what I should have done. But what I should have admitted to.
Luke Burbank
The clip that I sent you from the. From the Howard Stern show was literally a number of the staffers trying to understand. One person was talking about one of these machines and the other person was trying to understand how. What they were describing. And then Robin jumped in and said, it's like a Keurig, but it makes drinks. Like, basically doing the exact thing that we were instructed not to do. And I'm with you. I think. I think if they would have let us call it that, I think that company would still be in business and thriving.
Andrew Walsh
And I would be the president. That's right, I would be.
Luke Burbank
And a client.
Andrew Walsh
I do think, though, that I don't think. I don't know what happened to drinkworks or why it was a failure so early on or how they describe it. All I know is as somebody who had one of these machines, because it was given to me as an influencer. Oh, by the way, we are influencers. I saw a bunch of people buying Fresca over the weekend. Oh. Conversation about Fresca is really move. The. Move the dial that they have in the outside of the box. But, yeah, I don't know exactly what went down. All I know is I received an email along with all other drink works users saying, we are discontinuing this. And so if you want to buy any more flavors or whatever, if you want to buy a gin and tonic pod, do it now, because otherwise, how will you drink gin and tonics? How would you ever crack that code of how to make that cocktail? But for some reason now, three years later, I feel like maybe other brands have stepped in and are maybe having a moment. I'll be interested to see if they stick around. But there would be something kind of interesting about the fact that for some reason, the first one, even during the height of the pandemic, when everybody was drinking and more at home, when you're.
Luke Burbank
The first one to get to something as a company or an idea, it usually you make a lot of mistakes that then the people that come subsequently can kind of like, learn from your mistakes and do the things successfully.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. Yeah, I suppose so. I don't know what. I don't know what the issue was. I told you. I think I maybe I told you this via text or I was having this conversation with somebody else, but I'm like, it's like the web TV of drink makers. You was me, Yeah, I was. Web TV always lives in my head because, like, we just watch all of our TV, like our TVs are basically computers now. That's how everything molded together, merged together together. But back, you know, like what, 20 years ago, they were saying, no, we're going to make a company called web tv and it's going to provide you television on your computer. And it just failed. Like it's. It failed miserably. I had a friend with a WebTV email account for a while.
Luke Burbank
Oh, that's my go to joke about antiquated email to this day is ebtvtv. Here's my question, though. I think web TV was. You got the web on your tv, right?
Andrew Walsh
Oh, you're right. I miss. I miss characterize that. I'm looking at it, which was a.
Luke Burbank
Genius idea because our televisions are just a big monitor now for our Internet life. I mean. No, your point is actually really, really legit, which is, yeah, Web TV was just saying, we'll go, we'll surf the net on our TVs someday. And a bunch of people signed up for it. And then it was like, oh, that's a terrible idea. And now Luke is just making fun of people with web TV email accounts. And now all we do surf the web on our TVs.
Andrew Walsh
Yes, exactly. I was saying to you, I don't know why this is on my mind. I think I maybe was listening back to an old episode or it came up again recently or something. But like, essentially our TVs are just like giant iPads. Essentially. I think maybe I was talking to you about that when you were getting ready to make the leap into to be, not to be.
Luke Burbank
Fubu.
Andrew Walsh
Fubu. Yeah, fubu. Fubo. Fubo.
Luke Burbank
You fubu. I Fubo. Andrew.
Andrew Walsh
Hey, speaking of.
Luke Burbank
Oh, my God. I cannot tell you, but. Sorry, quickly. I cannot tell you how satisfied I.
Andrew Walsh
Am with the Fubo experience.
Luke Burbank
It's incredible.
Andrew Walsh
Like, that's who we should own ads for.
Luke Burbank
It's the curated Seahawks. The Seahawks were playing a meaningless game yesterday in that they were not going to go to the playoffs. And the Los Angeles Rams, who they were playing, were going to go to the playoffs regardless of what happened on the field. And I had a extremely low level of interest in the game, but not so low that when I was at Becca's place for like five minutes when she was doing something, I just like, you know, look at my phone and I just see what the score is, and I'm like, all right, they're kind of holding their own. And then I just turn it off. I'm thinking. I'm trying to think of what the other. There was another. Oh, the Sun Bowl. I wrote this on blue sky. A new all time low was unlocked when I was googling. How do I stream the sun bowl.
Andrew Walsh
Which is on the state one? Which one was.
Luke Burbank
No, that was that. It's in El Paso. It was the thing that the Huskies were in. They lost to Louisville. But, like, they. They got to get rid of these bowl games, by the way, unless they're the national championship. Because what you have are every single team that wins more than six games gets to go to a bowl. And any of the good players that have any NFL aspirations sit out the games now, because why would you risk your. Why would you risk your NFL career for the Sun Bowl? So it's like half of the positions are like. You'll see the graphic on the screen will just be like, you know, two or three of the best players on both teams. It'll just say opt out. Like, did, like, just decided not to play again. Which I don't begrudge them that decision. But it's like, I don't even know what the point of these. Anything that's not for the, like, the national championship. It just seems like it's kind of a weird farce that's just meant to make someone pay more money to subscribe to Big 12 TV or whatever. But all that is to say, well.
Andrew Walsh
Don'T you dare try to take away the bowl games now that we're in the Pop Tart bowl era now, I wonder if you and I have very different feelings about this pop Tart bowl situation because I. You heard about the antics of the last one, right? The one that just happened here.
Luke Burbank
This. This was my awareness of it. I was seeing a bunch of memeified shit. First of all, I didn't know there was a Pop Tart bowl. And then I was just seeing a lot of, like, meme stuff about, you know, Pop Pop Tarts. Like, you know, people in, like, pop tart mascoty kind of outfits, like, being ridiculous. That's my level of awareness. I don't know who the teams were. I don't know what's your take on it?
Andrew Walsh
So I. And I became aware of it, I think, last year, but I think, and I could be wrong about this, that they're in their third year. So let me give you the narrative here, and I would totally understand and respect if you just think this, like, you've been a, you know, a college football fan for, I'm assuming, your whole life or most of your life, and I am not. I'm not even a college football fan now. So this might feel Savannah Banana E to you, which I like.
Luke Burbank
I'm going to just. I'm going to just stop you there. It does, but I'll. But I'm going to listen to. I'm going to listen to your defense of the Pop Tart Bowl.
Andrew Walsh
But the difference is this is about marketing and this is. This is more. The comparison is more like the Mayo bowl, whatever that brand is, I can't remember. But it's more about like Duke's Mayo Bowl. It's not. They don't change the game the way that the Savannah Bananas, like, I. I didn't realize how that is not baseball. I was on at a bar last summer and I was like, oh, I don't like this at all. Everybody was talking about how much they love the Savannah Bananas. I was like, oh, this is just. This is ridiculous. Like, this is a real bull. You know, I'm looking at. I didn't know this, but it was that it was Miami versus Iowa State. So it looks like it was a 4241 game. So maybe it was interesting up to the end. I'm not sure. I don't know. Blow by blow. But the thing that bubble gum in this arena like myself enjoy is the mascot game going on with the Pop Tart bowl. And so. Oh, I see.
Luke Burbank
So they played a little like a football game with the mascots.
Andrew Walsh
No, it has nothing to do with that. Did they just have like mascots on the side and a lot of Pop Tart marketing or whatever? And then what happened last year was, I believe they had this, you know, strawberry flavored Pop Tart mascot that was going around, you know, kind of being silly and doing whatever. It didn't affect the game at all. It's just all this stuff around the game. But then at the end of the game, they brought out, I believe onto the field a giant toaster. And they lowered the Pop Tart mascot, still waving and everything into the toaster. Maybe this happened at halftime.
Luke Burbank
Dark.
Andrew Walsh
It was very dark. Maybe it happened at halftime because, Luke, it gets darker. This is still last year. I'm talking about after the game. And I don't know who played in the bowl last year. After the game, they made it look like the Pop Tart mascot was now toasted. Obviously there is nobody in it anymore. And somebody just made a. Basically a big giant cake of a Pop Tart thing that was in the shape and size of the mascot. And the winning team all got to come and kind of scoop up bites of this thing and they were Eating, like presumably they were eating the mascot. And then on social media, like there were photos of how nasty and everything it looked at the end. And eyeball was way down by where the waist used to be. And it's just like all destroyed and gross. And it was like people were talking about that last year. How are they gonna beat that this year? And again, I didn't watch. I just saw clips of it online, but they didn't show the Strawberry Pop Tart. The Strawberry Pop Tart is dead. They had a couple of other flavors out there, whatever. But then I don't know again if it was at halftime or what it was. They do a tribute to the fallen Strawberry Pop Tart. And then with dramatic music, all of a sudden, the Pop Tarts that are still living see the half devoured Pop Tart back as a humanoid, but still destroyed, like humanoid mascot with the eyeball where it was at the end of the devouring at the end of last year's game. And it was kind of smoking still, as if it got kind of stuck in the toaster. And it's on top of the scoreboard, like it's way up in the sky and it's smoking and waving and the other Pop Tarts are like respecting it and saluting it. It was.
Luke Burbank
Is it supposed to be in the heavens?
Andrew Walsh
I don't know if it was the heavens or just the great, like a phoenix. I don't know if it was just like kind of returning from the ashes, but like they took photos of what this mangled pie looked like at the end of last year's bowl and then reconstructed it again as a mascot, a mangled mascot, and brought it back to life. I gotta say, that's pretty good. It was pretty awesome.
Luke Burbank
Okay, that totally exceeds what my, like, momentary theories were about it. Cause you know what I mean, you know how it is modern life and the Internet and stuff, it's like. And I feel like this actually happens to you somewhat, maybe even a little bit more than me, where something happens. And I'm not really following the initial, the precipitating event.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
Luke Burbank
But then, but then I'm just seeing all the, like the, the poorly written headlines that are just like, you know, Strawberry Pop Tart owns total Karen Grape Pop Tart. And I'm just like, whatever this is. I choose to not engage so oftentimes that stuff is like. It's like almost like if you get. If you catch the hype first, then the initial event kind of. My opinion of it goes way down. And even though I'VE never even seen. Like, I literally didn't know any of that stuff you just told me. And now that you explained it to me, I'm actually into it.
Andrew Walsh
I'm trying to find. Here, I'll just send you this. You don't have to look at it now. You can look at it on your own time whenever you want. But yeah, some of the photos and like, they of course had a camera up there with him too, so there's some really stunning photos of this nasty looking pop tart. And again, like, it's all just the mark marketing side of things. I do think that, like, you know, it's like, I think the comparison for me is if I. If I really have strong feelings about my Mariners experience and then some. Like, I like most of the frivolous things that they do in the park at ball games.
Luke Burbank
Not Broccoli guy.
Andrew Walsh
No, that's unsanctioned but celebrated. I don't like Broccoli Guy. It's true. I don't know why, actually. No, I don't know why other people like him so much. I mean, I'm sure he's a nice guy. I don't want him to hear this and think I'm being a jerk. I just don't. I'm not into that bit. It's just a guy who brings broccoli and dances and look at me, Louie. But. But, you know, like the hot dogs from heaven. I don't think you like that so much. They drop hot dogs with little parachutes on it down to the fans. Like, I'm fine with it. It doesn't affect the game. I let. We've talked about this. I like the new edition of the running of the Salmon. Salmon. Yes. Okay. Just wanted to make sure for a second salmon sounded wrong coming out of my mouth. The running of the code. So anyway. The running of the Whitefish. So anyway, yeah, some of those things, as long as they don't impact the gameplay itself, I'm fine with it. And in this case, it's not impacting the gameplay. And it's sort of an entry point for me, somebody who doesn't really care about college sports that much, you know?
Luke Burbank
Yeah, no, that's actually. I, I like, I like it getting. Getting gruesome like that. And I mean the, you know, that's. I thought. I literally. It's so weird that my mind again, without doing any kind of research on the matter, for some reason, I literally thought that the meme or the, like what people were talking about was that like one of The Pop Tarts, like, pretended to hump the other Pop Tart.
Andrew Walsh
That might have happened as. This is.
Luke Burbank
Well, this is the story that my mind wrote based on a couple of shitty Internet headlines like. And that's why I was like, what? That's why I didn't go any further. I was like, I don't care what Pop Tart mascots are doing to be extreme. What they failed to convey to me was, this is a whole Shakespearean drama. And sorry that I've broken out the F bomb. I don't know why that I needed to do that. But this is like a. This is a tragedy and I love it.
Andrew Walsh
But a redemption story as well. I didn't even kind of realize kind of.
Luke Burbank
Or a zombie kind of narrative, like re. Reanimated Strawberry Pop Tart coming back for blood, coming back to get all of the Pop Tarts that. That led to his initial destruction.
Andrew Walsh
I didn't even realize. And it's just such good marketing too. I didn't realize that before they resurrected him. I guess the fans coming into the stadium. I'm looking at this photo now. There was a huge, like, sort of memorial to him. Like a little statue of him. And it says, frosted strawberry, first ever edible mascot, 2023-2023. Anyway, yeah, I think if you're into marketing this, this. This is fun. I could see it though. In fact, you mentioned a zombie. When I was going to send you this article, I saw another article that mentioned a zombie Pop Tart. I'm like, I'm not sending Luke that one because the whiff of zombie humor has you out.
Luke Burbank
My. Not really the. That's not a space that I tend to voluntarily plan, you know, a space that I. I have been trying to play in. At least last night was finally catching up on somebody somewhere.
Andrew Walsh
Oh yeah.
Luke Burbank
Which has been. I've been threatening for. For weeks and months to actually start watching that show, which I'm very strongly associated with in the minds of the TBTL listeners in that. When the. When the latest season and I guess the final season came back, so many people told me about it. Our friend Barry, who we interviewed, obviously went to Manhattan, Kansas for the. For the sort of final episode. Finally last night I got myself like, in the like, proper emotional place to start watching this. And I was kind of pleasantly surprised that when I. I turned on my web tv, Andrew, I had Max. Like, because. Also calling it Max. I don't know, I feel like I'm giving into something at HBO for that.
Andrew Walsh
Like, I just call it HBO Yeah.
Luke Burbank
It'S like hbo or it's HBO Max, but like, you know, that feels like calling it X. Like I will never give them the satisfaction.
Andrew Walsh
But I was mad. I had to look up the, like a bus route to Climate Pledge arena. And I always vowed never to use that name. Just call it Amazon arena or Key. Right, Key Banker Stadium, whatever, Kiarina. But the thing is, Google Maps isn't going along with that bullshit. You know, Google Maps has one name for it. I was like angrily tapping it into my phone.
Luke Burbank
Yeah, that's me when I turn on my TV and I'm scrolling through my, my apps and I get to Max and I click on it. But I didn't have to do any like weird like scanning a QR code on the TV screen or going on my computer to verify some shit. So I was kind of like, like, I was like, oh, this is great because I never know which one of these streaming services I'm like still paying for or not. In fact, the other night my dad and I were watching a show called Silo, which was on like Apple tv. And again, I was pleasantly surprised that I had Apple tv. Watching that show. Silo, by the way, did lead me to an unusually snarky Blue sky post. I'm trying to, I don't, I don't want to yuck yums. And there's no reason to get, you know, go out of your way to be kind of critical or mean about things, but I had this experience in watching that show. I don't know if it's Silo or the Silo. It's kind of like a. Are you familiar with this at all? The concept?
Andrew Walsh
Never even heard of it.
Luke Burbank
So it's like a, I guess, dystopian future where these are based on some books. I guess it's a kind of dystopian future where all these people, I guess what we are led to believe is all of humankind, what's left, are living in this huge underground silo. And the air upstairs is toxic. It's got David Ol Yellow. I can never say that guy. I read these books.
Andrew Walsh
They changed the name is. Was it Wool? I think Wool was the name of the books. Right. Let me look this up. But I read these books about these people who live in these underground silos. And I had always thought, like, because the. It was a series of three books and I always thought these are the first one I enjoyed. The second two were as follow ups usually are, a little bit, little bit more middling, just kind of like taking advantage of the fact that they had, you know, created something that people were interested in. But I remember thinking. I read them years and years ago, and I was like, oh, my God, this is more. This will be perfect for a movie or TV show. And it took him years to do it. I think we're talking about the same thing here.
Luke Burbank
Is the. Is it the case that when the per. If a person says, I want to go above ground, they have to go above ground? Is that one of the bedrock principles of the books?
Andrew Walsh
I am looking. I don't. I don't. I know that to go above ground is almost like moonwalking. Like, I don't. Yeah, it's like.
Luke Burbank
And they have to clean the lens.
Andrew Walsh
Clean the lens. Yeah. Yeah.
Luke Burbank
So this is definitely the same.
Andrew Walsh
I see. So it was called the Silo series. It was. Wool, Shift and Dust were the three books in this. And I did not know that that was already a series we could watch. I would be interested in this because I really enjoyed the books and I loved the. I loved the premise of it.
Luke Burbank
I love the premise to. Actually, Walt B. Was the one who. Who. Who hipped me to this. But anyway, so we. We watched it. I think it's pretty. I think it's pretty decent. I mean, there's a few things that are a little corny, but whatever. That's. You know, that's just what happens when you. When you, you know, make something into a television show. I. I found it compelling. I'm gonna, at some point, continue watching it, but I. The blue sky thingy that I wrote, whatever post Skeet was here was the. Effectively I said, I think that they're out of original sentences. Like, you've never. There's no thing. There are no more sentences that are a truly original string of words. But I think I just found one, and it's. Oh, good. Common is in this. Like, because common is so incredibly bad in this television show. Like, everyone in. It's pretty good at acting. And, like, I believe them. And I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. You know, Rashida Jones is great. David Oyello is great. Like, there's some amazing, like, British actors who I was under. My dad knows every single person with a British accent who's ever been on one frame of celluloid. Andrew, if that was a. When they come out with that, like a game show on NBC, know your people that were in Wolf Hall. My dad will. My dad will be the Ken Jennings of that. Like, every single person. It'll be a guy in the Back, like, sorting garbage. They'd be like, oh, yeah, he was in. You know, he was in whatever. Like, shows I've never even heard of. But anyway, so we're watching this, and then Common shows up, and it's just brutal. It's like, why did. How did we get. How do we get bamboozled into thinking Common needs to be in acting?
Andrew Walsh
I feel. I think I may be in apologies for this, because I was gonna say, I feel like I saw him in some stuff that I like. I think I'm thinking of Most Def. Who doesn't go by Most Def anymore?
Luke Burbank
Yasin Bay.
Andrew Walsh
Yes.
Luke Burbank
And I think. I think he's a good actor.
Andrew Walsh
He's a good actor. And so second, I. For a second there, I wanted to defend Common. Hey, another sentence nobody's ever said before, but I think I might be confusing them as actors.
Luke Burbank
Yeah, I feel like I just have never, like, honestly, when Common shows up on a project, whether it's like a. A movie where he's a basketball player and Queen Latifah is a ref he falls in love with, I believe that movie might have been called crossover. Like, I just feel like anytime Common shows up in something, I know that the makers of the program are unserious. I mean, that's really the issue is it's like, oh, you put Common in this. Well, then I know that there's only a certain amount of care that you're giving to this project, because if you really cared about acting, you would. By the way, I think the same thing would go for Schwarzenegger. Like, there are plenty of people that fit this bill. When they show up in a project, I know that the people making it are unserious, you know, because these people are bad at acting to a degree that it takes me out of the reality of it and what you're banking on. I think I'd put Vin Diesel in this category. I'm trying to think of other actors who, if they show up in something, I know that this is purely a marketing play or something. Like, I don't know what the appeal is, but it can't be that this person blew them out of the water with their audition for the part because the acting is not good.
Andrew Walsh
You raised the specter. Is that the right word, maybe, of game shows, Right? Like, name that British actor game shows. And it occurred to me that there's something I've also been wanting to tell you about for. Well, I mean, been wanting to tell you about maybe for the past 24 hours. Because I think. Well, no, I stumbled on this on Saturday night. Something's going on in our culture, Luke, and I don't know what it is. That's a new segment.
Luke Burbank
What a way to.
Andrew Walsh
A.
Luke Burbank
What a way to start the segment.
Andrew Walsh
I've been watching a lot of Max as well. First of all, also hbo.
Luke Burbank
Max, you mean?
Andrew Walsh
Exactly. Hate that font. So there's something that irritates me about the slightly. The slightly curvature in the straight lines.
Luke Burbank
Yeah.
Andrew Walsh
It's weird.
Luke Burbank
Out of time with any kind of, like, whatever. The. Whatever the moment we're in with fonts. It's somehow just. Just either before or after it, but it's. It's unsettling.
Andrew Walsh
And it just also. Yeah. And it just speaks to the. The weird, hasty rollout of, like, kind of. Of almost like the erasure of HBO and them coming. We're gonna force you to.
Luke Burbank
We're gonna force you to get Paramount or Discovery, I should say. We're gonna get you to force you to get some Discovery you don't want to watch.
Andrew Walsh
I don't know about. I don't know if I got sucked in.
Luke Burbank
That was what precipitated it. Right.
Andrew Walsh
I don't think. All I know is that, like, Max took over, and then, like, HBO became a tab under Max, and it just all seemed like Cabletown bullshit to me. Like, just like.
Luke Burbank
Right. Because I think Max was being. Was. I thought was being combined with, like, maybe.
Andrew Walsh
I'm thinking, you know, that might be part of it as well. Although I do think that you might be conflating the CBS Paramount stuff. But possible. All of that is to say I have been watching because I've been just, like, kind of constantly have. Like, if I'm just looking for something late at night to put on, I've been putting on the Sopranos. Last night, Genevieve and I watched a movie that was sort of recommended by a listener that I'm already forgetting the name of. It was an old French noir film called Elevate. The reason a listener suggested is because Miles Davis does the soundtrack. It's called. The English title is Elevator to the Gallows as an old French noir film. So views. And I just, like, that's what they.
Luke Burbank
Sent Strawberry Pop Tart into.
Andrew Walsh
That's right. That's right.
Luke Burbank
It was more like Down Escalator to the Gallows.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. Well, the thing is, I think I called it Escalator to the Gallows when I was pitching on Genevieve on.
Luke Burbank
And she's like, it's such a different. If it's an elevator versus an escalator, it's Such a different experience. Like elevator into the gallows is like when those doors close, you're screwed. Escalators. You might be able to run backwards down the escalator. Like there's a chance you could still get out of this.
Andrew Walsh
It's a sporting chance. Yeah. So. Oh, okay. So one of the things that I have been seeing. I can't remember what Vivian, I. It doesn't really matter to the story, but it's driving me a little bit bonkers because I know that these and I were binging something the other night and I was like, wait for the commercial to come on. There was a promo for a new show and the first time I saw the promo, it was just 15 seconds long and it seemed generally fine. It was. It's a new. You probably saw the promo last night while you're watching your show. It's for a. A Friends based trivia game show hosted by Whitney Cummings.
Luke Burbank
No.
Andrew Walsh
Okay. I saw a quick like 10 or 15 second promo for it. Seems pretty straightforward. Friends still huge in the zeitgeist. Whole new generations enjoying it. People have been obsessed with this for the majority of their lives in some cases. And now you know why? Why not create? You know, I'm not judging necessarily, just the flat idea of the whole thing. It's not for me, but that's fine. It's another just silly game show. Sure. And then I saw the 32nd version and I was obsessed with it for a full night. And I was trying to find it for Veeves because it turns out it's not just a Friend's trivia show. It's a Friends trivia show combined with an escape room or something. It seems like part of the promise is you answer questions so that you can escape from Friends City or something. It's not an escape from Friends City.
Luke Burbank
How do you unlock this door? How you doing? I don't know if you're Joey Tribbiani. Impressionist is good. You get out of the room.
Andrew Walsh
Oh my God. And like there was just something about it. And I kept on saying these. You gotta see the promo for Escape from Friend City. And like it's like, I don't know. And then on a different network, I.
Luke Burbank
Think during six Pop Tarts are locked in a room. Only one will escape from Friend City. The rest will be toasted and then eaten by Jim Gaffigan live on television.
Andrew Walsh
During the football game yesterday. So I'm assuming this is like a CBS thing or God knows what. There's some network game show called Deal or no Deal Island.
Luke Burbank
I believe I've seen a promo for that, and I assumed it was Deal or no Deal set on an island.
Andrew Walsh
Like, if we're taking like game show ideas, like your usual trivia or whatever, game show ideas, and we're mixing them with this idea of reality tv, I guess.
Luke Burbank
But you end up.
Andrew Walsh
I think I proved that with Deal or no Deal Island. I really thought I was watching Get Off Milk Island. I thought I was watching a parody of something they're putting.
Luke Burbank
It's got all of them strong Jack Donaghy just, just grasping, grasping at straws.
Andrew Walsh
Starting with the catchphrase working backwards.
Luke Burbank
God, cop.
Andrew Walsh
Of all of the shows, that crime.
Luke Burbank
Just met a new worst friend.
Andrew Walsh
Of all the shows that you would put on an island, why would Dealer like that seems like two very different ideas. Like put Deal or no Deal in a grocery store or something, right? Or put.
Luke Burbank
That's a good point.
Andrew Walsh
Literally anything else on an island. Put no whammies on an island. No, that's the.
Luke Burbank
I feel like the problem with Dealer no Deal island is if you, if you lose, either you say no deal or you make the wrong deal, then there's also. So then it's like, okay, goodbye. And then you have to just go stand on a different part of the beach for like two hours, waiting for the plane or the boat to get you, like, the time of getting off of Deal or no Deal island after you've been eliminated from the show. Like, if you're in a soundstage in Burbank and you get eliminated from Deal or no Deal, you just. You leave. They put you back out on, you know, Magnolia or whatever. If you're on the island, you're kind of still there. You can still see the game. Everyone's, like, waiting. It's, like, awkward. There's going to be this period of time after you've been eliminated, but where you're. You're waiting for transportation off the island. I think that's going to be kind of. It's not going to be in the show, but it'll be awkward for folks. I'm glad that you brought up the ads, though, on Max Andrew, because this is what I really wanted to talk about last night when I finally got down to biz with somebody somewhere, which remains spectacular, an unbelievably well written show. I realized that I hadn't. I had legitimately hadn't watched the last two episodes of season two. So not only do I have all of season three, which I'm excited about, but I. I watched two episodes of season two. Last night that I hadn't watched. But what I realized to my great dismay last night was that I am somehow at the max subscriber level where there are flipping ads.
Andrew Walsh
Oh yeah, me too.
Luke Burbank
And it is so jarring because, Andrew, it's not television, it's hbo.
Andrew Walsh
No, was.
Luke Burbank
There was a. There was like. And I. They've also gotten rid of that, you know, the static kind of thing that we all love. They should bring that back, by the way.
Andrew Walsh
Somebody will. At some point, they'll be rebranded, hopefully.
Luke Burbank
But. But like, what I didn't realize until last night was I go into. I sort of have an. I would. Is emotional the right word? I go into some sort of like, state of like, of revelry and of giving my attention over to HBO programming that I don't do for other shows these days. I promise you, if I'm watching a sporting event, I'm at a minimum. I'm having a two screen experience, possibly three. And then based on how much I care about the show, it gets more and more of my attention. This is all laid out in chapter 17 of Chris Hayes's new book. People say there's only 16 chapters. I know, but this should have been the 17th chapter. What is Luke's attention to these television programs? And what I realized that the highest honor that I can pay a television program is putting away all of my other screens and fully concentrating on it. And that is what historically I have done. When an HBO program begins because it's prestige television, it's well done. Whether we're talking Six Feet under, whether we're talking Sopranos, whether we're talking a whole variety of great shows that HBO has done over the years, including somebody somewhere. I'm watching this show last night. It's such a beautiful, quiet little show set in Manhattan, Kansas, with really nice. I can't believe that we've talked about this show this many times and I'm having to ask you this question, but have you watched any of it?
Andrew Walsh
No, I haven't. No.
Luke Burbank
Okay, so it is just. You would. I think you would enjoy it, Andrew. But anyway, it's got this, like, the soundtrack is really interesting to me. It's just. It's got like a lot of like. I know this is gonna sound crazy, kind of like tuba in it and stuff. It's. It's just like a really calm. Somehow. The. The music from the show really matches kind of the tone of the show, which is just not ever trying too hard, but it feels very true to life, but very funny and great. It's just such a subtle, beautiful show and you're watching it and something beautiful is happening between two of the characters and all of a sudden it shifts into Get Off MILF island and it's such a vibe killer. It really ruined my experience of watching these episodes of somebody somewhere because. Because I get into a kind of a. I get into a thing with these shows and again because they're on HBO and because you have to subscribe to this, they're able to create programming that you don't see on network television. If I'm watching friggin Blue Bloods with Tom Selleck, as you know I do and they throw in a Jardian's ad, I don't give a shit. Second swear of the show. I apologize. Sorry for swearing. You know, like there's a kind of show that I don't really. It doesn't bother me to have a commercial. The commercials on Max are really, really upsetting because the shows on Max are generally speaking so good that it really messes up the vibe when you jam an ad in somewhere.
Andrew Walsh
I, I've been, you know, pretty used to it. I think the bigger cultural, believe it or not, everything you said makes sense to me. And also the idea of HBO being this kind of special place in, in our culture, but also in our imaginations and everything, it just underscores. We don't have to get into it all again because I know that we talked not just on this show, but when it first happened about how crazy it was that some company was going to rebrand it as Max and bury the HBO brand when it is just like such a good brand, like Capital B brand, like everything that, I mean from its earliest days of showcasing comics and boxing. But it was always something different. It always presented something special. Like you said something you put down the newspaper for, or in this day and age you put down your phone for, you know, and that's why it's just so shocking that they went in that direction as far as marketing is concerned. The ads thing I'm a little bit more used to. I remember when these and I cut the cord, we moved to this new house, we decided we weren't going to bring Comcast with us, which I'm still very glad of. But because of that, when we were like sort of like you know, purchasing all of our various bundles directly from your Hulu's Netflix, hbo, these are all just separate bills we pay now. I think we were trying to make sure we didn't just end up paying the same amount we were Paying. Right. Table before. So. And Genevieve is always looking for order.
Luke Burbank
Every appetizer on the menu.
Andrew Walsh
Right? Exactly.
Luke Burbank
Like no main course. But wait, why was it $1,000?
Andrew Walsh
But so anyway. And also Genevieve likes to find deals and everything. We've talked about that. If I were. I don't know, I don't know what my life would be like, you know, if I were just like making these decisions on these things. But yeah, let's not test it exactly. But I remember Genevieve saying, hey, we're going to get this Netflix that has commercials in it. And for some, like, I was like, Netflix with commercials? Like, Netflix is. It's a DVD service. God damn it. If you're. If we're swearing, we're swearing.
Luke Burbank
Oh, yeah.
Andrew Walsh
And so anyway, I remember, like, the feeling that was really weird. I've just kind of gotten used to it now. But I know what you're talking about. But also, it's pretty solvable, right? Like, I think you can just probably.
Luke Burbank
Well, it is. I'm going to have to go buy the higher package, literally, to just watch the rest of the series and then I'll, I guess, go back to having ads in it or whatever. I mean, mean, even with Netflix, I think I have the. I have the Netflix with ads. But. But again, for me, it's like, what am I watching on Netflix? I'm watching like the Robert Durst murder Doc Revisited or whatever.
Andrew Walsh
Like, I feel like that was hbo.
Luke Burbank
I think, I think that they.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, did they do the second season? I'm sorry. Okay.
Luke Burbank
No, no, no, no, no. I think you might be right. So then maybe that kind of like crumbles my theory. But like, I guess my. What I. I'm starting to say overarchingly is like, I feel like I can roll with ads on Netflix because I think Netflix is generally speaking, low, lower quality. Like, it just tells you how. How sort of like what a rare category HBO programming enjoys in my mental landscape that like. And I don't think I've ever watched it with ads before. I think I must have had either they just instituted a couple years ago or somehow I know this wasn't happening the last time I was watching this somebody somewhere stuff, stuff, because again, I'm just repeating myself. But like, there were just these beautiful little moments or funny kind of rye, simple moments between characters and then just friggin hard vibe shift right into an ad and it's just like, you gotta be kidding me. So, yes, I'm gonna have to go pay 10 more dollars a month, watch this whole. You Know, series and then like, I guess hopefully remember to switch back to. Basically what I need to do is just like, like not have Max until a show burbles up that I want to watch. Because here's what I don't do right now. I don't go on Max and poke around to see what's good to watch. That's just not how I experience that network these days. There's so much TikTok to look at, Andrew. There's so many other things competing for my, my valuable attention that it's not worth it for me to subscribe to that thing when I only watch it once every two years when like a show like somebody somewhere comes on. Also, Penguin is supposedly pretty good, right?
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. A couple of things on that. First of all, sometimes what HBO will do is for their like kind of premiere shows, I'm surprised they're not doing that with somebody somewhere is they will put like a long commercial, like maybe a 90 second commercial for one specific thing. Like, but it'll be like a high end thing. I. For like, for the Penguin. When we were watching that, was that.
Luke Burbank
Where you were seeing all that Range Rover crazy?
Andrew Walsh
Yes, I think so. But. Well, that might have been Sopranos inserts, but for Penguin, I think they were, they had like, I remember commercials for like really expensive watches that were like 90 second commercials. And I think it was like Martin Scorsese talking to the camera about why watches are important. Maybe I have the product wrong. But anyway, you know, like kind of a commercial that was like sort of like for a luxury brand and produced in a very luxurious way. And, and it almost felt like old. You know, I listen to a lot of old 1940s radio programs. Right. And what were those like cold. Well, literally the Colgate Comedy Hour. Right. But like, yeah, it was just like the whole thing was like this is presented by, you know, King Baker Flower or whatever. And the whole. And it's sort of, sort of harkens back to that like because it'll say, you know, thank you to Rolex for now bringing you this premiere ad free experience after you watch a 90 second Rolex ad or something like that feels a little bit better to me.
Luke Burbank
Me, I would be totally fine with that. Like, honestly, like I'm cool with put a two minute like, you know, short film about, you know. Yeah, some. I don't care if it's a high or low end product. Like I'll, I'll sit through that. Oh, by the way, you can't fast forward these things either.
Andrew Walsh
No.
Luke Burbank
Which is like, which was so frustrating last night.
Andrew Walsh
You can't wind them either. That's why I was trying to show Genevieve Escape.
Luke Burbank
We have different problems associated with that. I'm trying to get through them as fast as possible. You're trying to, Really?
Andrew Walsh
I just took hours of Genevieve. I finally. Whatever show we were watching, I finally went upstairs. I heard Genevieve yell like an hour later. I saw it. I saw the ad.
Luke Burbank
That reminds me, I really have to get on my recording of the Serious xm, whatever it's called now. Baseball ads that play during the Mariners games. Because if they're not running. If you want baseball, the doggies got you covered this year. Year. I've been, like, quoting that ad to you for years. Although maybe you've heard it now. Do you finally get those serious satellite.
Andrew Walsh
No, because first of all, whatever Serious I have does not guarantee all the. Again, I'm paying for, like, the six dollar a month one, so I don't have access to all sporting events. I didn't realize that. So. But I do pay for the MLB app. And so I get all the games. I just listen on the MLB app. Basically.
Luke Burbank
I'm just thinking about those kind of almost like they're both annoying but sort of ephemeral type of ads that either you can't rewind or they're like auto loaded into some kind of streaming experience where it's not on your TV where you can back it up. It's like you just kind of. You kind of have to be there when they happen. And so if I want to, like, capture the audio to make you laugh, I got to, like, be rolling for the setup.
Andrew Walsh
Yep.
Luke Burbank
Set up a recorder, just roll on an entire. Done that Mariners game by way of the Serious app. Just to get all of this terrible stuff that they put in the. You know, in between the innings or something. So that's a. That's a project for this spring, Andrew, that I'm looking forward to.
Andrew Walsh
Sounds good. I had another point to make about Max, but let's forget about it. I don't remember what it was, and it probably wasn't that great. Thank you for being a T.
Luke Burbank
Hey, let's thank some of our donors today. These are the folks. And in fact, I've surveyed almost all the donors and. And I've heard from them that if we played any Jardiance ads in this show, they'd be out. They have the relationship with TBTL that I used to have with hbo.
Andrew Walsh
Max, we're the hbo. We're the hbo, not Max. We're the HBO of podcasting.
Luke Burbank
Yes, thank you. In that it's mostly Taxicab Confessions.
Andrew Walsh
It's mostly Oz.
Luke Burbank
Do you remember Taxicab Confessions?
Andrew Walsh
Only in theater.
Luke Burbank
I think it was a show where like, I think it might have been like, if I remember. I mean, I only got to see this, like the briefest of moments, like at a slumber party at someone's house who had HBO and inattentive parents or something. But I feel like the premise was it was with actors, but it was allegedly based on real, you know, real things that people had confessed in taxicabs. But of course, course capturing. Like, think about. You set up a camera in a New York City taxi cabin. You drive around. You could drive around for a year before you got a good story, like a saucy story or a whatever. So I think it was kind of like these are based on real taxi cab confetti. But now we've hired some actors and writers to like, you know, and I. My guess is it. My guess is that there was a very little factual basis for any of these. But I just remember, like, definitely was the kind of show that the intro showed you a manhole great with steam coming out of it.
Andrew Walsh
I can totally picture that.
Luke Burbank
That was a hundred percent in the intro to Taxicab Confessions. Anyway, it says here that there was.
Andrew Walsh
Actually, actually hidden cameras. Passengers, the cab. They're recorded with several small cameras hidden in the taxi. The producer prompts passengers into discussing their past or present circumstances. And I think my idea was better. Yeah. Have people.
Luke Burbank
I think I was. Maybe I was thinking of the Red Shoe Diaries.
Andrew Walsh
Right, exactly.
Luke Burbank
Combined signing. Hey, Andrew, look at the first donor that we're thanking. If it isn't Julia Has.
Andrew Walsh
Hey, New Hampshire Julia, my sister in law. Thank you, Julia. Appreciate it.
Luke Burbank
Did I. I know that there's a. I know that there's a difference in the pronunciation of the last name. Is Julia of the Haas variety or the has variety.
Andrew Walsh
I believe Has. I always call them the Hass. I think that Jimmy's brother might pronounce it Haas these days. I'm not sure he's still finding interest.
Luke Burbank
However. However you're saying it these days. Julia, we appreciate you so much. Indeed supporting the program. Also thanks to Heather Rowe of Sellins Grove, Pennsylvania.
Andrew Walsh
Hey, thank you, Heather. Appreciate it.
Luke Burbank
Sellin's Grove. I think this is the first time learning there's not a G in there. I think I always maybe thought it was Sellings Grove. Oh, man. Andrew. I know we're like, this is already threatening to be too long of a Show. But I. Speaking of pa, I have been listening to this podcast that is really good and just has some of the most brutal Pennsylvania accents you've ever heard. And it's called Cement City. And I mean, it's a really, really good show. It's about the town of Donora, Pennsylvania. And basically a couple of journalists just, I think they literally decided to buy a house in Donora and go in and just kind of live in this town for a year and just, you know, this is classically one of those places where. Where the prevailing industry, which had been zinc, some kind of, like, processing of zinc and other things, has kind of left. And it's left behind a town that's pretty cratered out, but they get really into, like, what's going on in the city council of Donora and who the folks are in Donora, and it just becomes totally riveting. But it is unbelievably brutal. The accents, like, oh, yeah, he's going down to the Crow Club. The Crow Club being the Croatian Club. Andrew, I'm tempted to tell Anita about this. Like, I don't know if anyone even identifies as Croatian American, but they're always going down to the Crow Club, which is the Croatian Club in Dinora. Oh, yeah, he's going down. Oh, yeah, Dinora. Dinora is dying. It is just. It's. And everyone's named Dawn. There's no one in the show that's not named dawn from Donora. It's incredible. Anyway, would recommend Cement City.
Andrew Walsh
Thank you, Heather, whatever your. Whatever your accent is. Like, Heather, we thank you for your donation.
Luke Burbank
Heather's from Manhattan. Middletown, Manhattan.
Andrew Walsh
Right, Exactly.
Luke Burbank
She talks like Katharine Hepburn in the African Queen. Thanks, Heather. Thanks to Lars Lang Peterson, who's in Seattle, Washington.
Andrew Walsh
Thank you, Lars.
Luke Burbank
Lars, appreciate you. Also appreciate Allie Port, who's in New Orleans, Louisiana. Beautiful New Orleans in the news lately for some really rough stuff. Hope everything's as okay as can be down there for our friends in New Orleans and also for you, Ali. Thanks also to. Is it. Do we think this is Noel Kelly or Noel Kelly?
Andrew Walsh
Sligo Noel. Oh, Sligo, Ireland. Nice. Yes, I think.
Luke Burbank
Aaron. Go, brah. Thanks, Noel. I have been on here's the Thing. And, you know, I'm a. I'm a part, partly an Irish American. So I. I can say this, Andrew. I think Irish people in Ireland have been responsible for some of the absolute best Internet memes over the past few years. And I only know this because suddenly this thing has popped up on my TikTok feed, which is folks in Ireland rating their five favorite Irish TikTok memes. And I was like, how many good Irish TikTok memes can there be? It turns out, a ton.
Andrew Walsh
Mm.
Luke Burbank
It's over. As a nation, it's over. Delivering on funny, weird meme stuff.
Andrew Walsh
Will a. I don't. First of all, I don't think TikTok's really gonna get banned here anymore. Right. Like, they'll probably.
Luke Burbank
I don't know. I've already said that. Like, honestly, it would free. It would liberate me.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
Luke Burbank
It would free me from. From something I'm doing, you know, too much of the time anyway. So I feel pretty like. I guess ambivalent is the word. Like, I would love it to stick around. I'll be relieved if I don't have access to it.
Andrew Walsh
But I. I wonder if Ireland will always have access to it, no matter what.
Luke Burbank
I would guess so, because they're not run by a demagogue slash other weirdos. Well, actually, I don't really know what the structure in Ireland is. I bet it's not as bad as it is here. How could it be? But I feel like it's just like this. I mean, you said something the last time we. Or at a time we were talking about Tik Tok, you said something that I hadn't thought of, and now I've heard other people saying it. Andrew. Which is basically, like, intrigued. As if. As if somehow our information is less safe with the Chinese than it is with the American companies that have it all. Of course, I never thought about that. We're just assuming they have somehow worse intentions than Jeff Bezos. And that's a foolish assumption.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, no, it's absolutely foolish news. And again, a lot of Democrats were the ones who were, I think, pushing for this originally. And I just remember being kind of shocked. I hadn't heard people referred to as Communist China so much in the news. And I was kind of like, but you're using the phrase Communist China as you are saying, as the government. And again, I'm not even. I'm not even weighing in on whether or not it's right or wrong. I'm just saying the irony of you, like, emphasizing this idea of communism as if it's a bad word while you say we're going to use big government to quash industry. And again, that's not how I. You know, that. That is not a statement on how I see the free market or what have you, but it was just, like, so ironic, like, we can't let Communist China have our information. So therefore, we are going to come in and make sure that you sell it to some Americans. Like, we're all going to trust the good guys.
Luke Burbank
Simmer down, McCarthy.
Andrew Walsh
Right?
Luke Burbank
Yeah, like, yeah. So anyway, what I'm saying, Noel, is I need you to. Once TikTok is illegal here, I need you to download the funny tiktoks you see in Ireland and send them to me.
Andrew Walsh
No, that's probably the best way.
Luke Burbank
You're my direct connect also, by the way, I just noticed. Nolan, get a vpn, download them to a thumb drive. Oh, dude. Walt and I had to get. We had to get down on that bad boy the other day because there's some episodes of Shetland that are yet to be released on Britbox. So we had to go old school, baby. Like, I'm paying for Britbox. Britbox, by the way, is kind of a lie. And I have to say, as much as I love, love my Fubo tv, I cannot say the same about Britbox Bucks. It's advertised on NPR a lot. It's real highbrow. I wouldn't, honestly, I wouldn't waste the money on it. It's like. You know what it's like, it's the Columbia House.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
Luke Burbank
Of. Of. Of. Of television in that it's not anything that you want to watch that's been on the BBC. It's whatever leave ins they have. It's whatever. They're not moving or it's one episode of season three of some. Like, it's really. It's super bs, honestly. Like, it is it you, the way they pitch it is like you're gonna get all. Any kind of show you want to watch that's been on the BBC or ITV or one of these things. And all the seasons, it is not that at all. It is literally the crumbs. And you have no idea. You know, it's more like the TJ Maxx of streamers. You go in there and you're like, all right, a Ralph Lauren sweatsuit. That's cheap. I mean, that's cheaper than I expected it.
Andrew Walsh
But.
Luke Burbank
But then. Can you find anything that you're actually looking for? No.
Andrew Walsh
You know, that reminds me, I have. I have a shirt that I stumbled on somehow that I'm trying to remember where I saw it. I think it was like a decent deal. But it's like a nice looking. It's like a nice looking shirt. I mean, maybe it's actually. You know what, I've had it for a while, so maybe it's a little bit out of style right now. But it was a little bit outside of my norm as far as shirts are concerned. And it happened to be a Sean John shirt shirt. And so Genevieve would always be like, oh, look at Andrew in a Sean John shirt. I don't think I can wear a Sean John shirt anymore. Right.
Luke Burbank
How. Like, I think I need to get.
Andrew Walsh
Rid of this guy.
Luke Burbank
How prominent is the Sean Johnning of it?
Andrew Walsh
It's huge. It's like big blocks of color. Sj, like, you know, for real? No, Like, I wouldn't wear anything like that.
Luke Burbank
It's a white. It's an oversized white tee that just has, like, Sean John embroidery right across, like a sash.
Andrew Walsh
I was trying to recreate what was the big brand in the, like, 80s, maybe more 90s, that their whole thing. It was like, red, white, and bl. But like, more, I think, cross colors sort of in. But it was like, literally every shirt you bought was branded very prominently with that name of that designer. But this is not that. No, it's just a shirt. But I do think if you look closely on a little tag or something.
Luke Burbank
On the outside, I think you can wear it. I think as long as it's not like. I think if. If the average person looking like. If you like the shirt and the average person looking at it would not identify it with that guy, then I think, you know, I think you. You can wear it. I don't think that. I don't think it is in any way a statement of support for him for you to wear the shirt.
Andrew Walsh
What about my Michael Jackson pants?
Luke Burbank
I mean, honestly, I think those are the only pants look good on you.
Andrew Walsh
Okay, thank you.
Luke Burbank
And they are an endorsement of him, but I think he. Do what you got to do. They're super flattering. Dude, I'm sorry. Yeah. Anybody will tell you who will tell you that. Tyler Fornia of Monroe, Washington.
Andrew Walsh
Hey, thank you, Tyler.
Luke Burbank
Thanks, Tyler. We really appreciate you. Yeah. Thanks to all of our donors for making TBTL possible today. We could not do this without you.
Andrew Walsh
Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female.
Luke Burbank
You know, Andrew, so as to try to avoid a log jam that we just ran into in the last week where we were trying to get through all the top stories that I promoted that we never talked about. About. Let's just clear. Let's clear the decks on old Popeye. Popeye the Sailor man this year enters the public domain. So if you have any. Popeye the Sailor Man, I just think it's also important to always use his full name. Did you guys remember? Did you guys do. I'm Popeye the Sailor Man. I live in a garbage can. When you were a kid?
Andrew Walsh
I don't think so. No.
Luke Burbank
I'm Popeye the Sailor Man. I live in a garbage can. I da da da da da da. That we had some weird, you know, kid version of that song. If you have any Popeye the Sailor man related merch parody songs ideas, I'm just saying this is. We can finally use it. I know you've. I know you've been waiting and waiting and waiting for this. And just, just so you know, it's. Everything's on the table now.
Andrew Walsh
Everything. Because, I mean, I. Well, I don't even know if I'd want to release this, but I have some pretty steamy olive oil and Popeye scenarios that I. I just write them for my own, like, sort of edification and maybe I could actually make some money off of those now. So thanks for letting me know. I appreciate it. But in all seriousness, I haven't read this story. Not that we need to go into depth here, but do you have any idea, though, if it's like one of those things where it's like a. Is it. Is it Steamboat Popeye? You know, like, is it like one version of Popeye but, like, because these.
Luke Burbank
Things, like, not the good one.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, they move around so much much to avoid any kind of.
Luke Burbank
I'll tell you this. This is according to PC Gamer.com which is where I turn for all of my Popeye the Sailor man related info. It's a new year and that means a new crop of iconic characters, some more than others, are ending in the public domain. According to Title 17 of the United States Code, once 95 years have passed since the creation, then they become a public domain. So let's see here. Popeye the Sailor. I'm trying to. I'm doing this on the fly though, if. Let's see. Oh, the. This doesn't help, but the Faulkner work, the sound and fury, that's in the public domain now, as is all quiet on the Western front. Tintin, as in the Adventures of Tintin, is making it into the public domain. And let's see who else. It doesn't specify which. Oh, okay, okay. Popeye's hallmark Spinach habits, for example, Andrew, weren't established until 1931.
Andrew Walsh
Okay.
Luke Burbank
So if you were going to make your own Popeye reboot, by the way, this was written by Lincoln Carpenter in PCGamer.com want to give Lincoln Carpenter credit for this. If you. If we wanted to do some kind of a Popeye related thing here on this show. By the way, I'm, like, kind of dressed like Popeye the Sailor man today. Got this red watchman's cap on. You know who I actually realize I look like looking into the little computer connection here. It's the character on BoJack Horseman that's voiced by Aaron Paul from Breaking Bad.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. Yeah, sure.
Luke Burbank
Who is that? Is he. He's like. Is he like the boyfriend of one of the characters? Well, he's like, what's his role?
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, why? He's just like BoJack's best friend. Right. They live together for a while and. Right. Yeah. I can't remember.
Luke Burbank
I feel like I'm. I feel like I'm giving strong. Whatever that character's vibes are today. Anyway, if we want to do a Popeye the Sailor man thing on this show.
Andrew Walsh
Okay.
Luke Burbank
We cannot. He cannot eat spinach.
Andrew Walsh
It can't be the spinach connection. Yeah, okay.
Luke Burbank
You know, which I don't. How fundamental to the character, though, is the spirit.
Andrew Walsh
I feel like pretty fundamental.
Luke Burbank
I love it if we do our Popeye reboot, but he just gets really friggin hike hyped on okra or beets.
Andrew Walsh
Beats.
Luke Burbank
He constantly thinks he has colon cancer.
Andrew Walsh
He's freaking out.
Luke Burbank
All just gassed up on beats and then the next day just freaking out.
Andrew Walsh
Freaking.
Luke Burbank
Actually, that could be an interesting. That could be an interesting development for the character. So. So you're right, Andrew. It's not good Popeye yet.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, it's not good Popeye yet. And chances are they'll keep on probably rearranging those chairs in order to avoid the actual expiration of the copy. Right. I wanted to share a couple. Well, at least one. If we can get to two messages from the listeners here, I got to say this one came in from a very. It was this. This note is very sweet from listener Deb in Redmond. But I also. It was one of those things where, you know how I don't like it when somebody will send in something like, unrequested and then say, you're welcome. It's like, it was an Internet thing that, you know, like, people just kind of like, here's this. You're welcome. And it's just always seemed a little presumptuous to me. This. With all love and respect to Deb, this. I would like to set the record straight on something here to this kind of you're welcome me post on our blog a moke Andrew A moke in an episode about vocab words. I cannot let this pass. It's pronounced either amok, most common, or.
Luke Burbank
Amok, not that I've heard. It is political correctness run amok.
Andrew Walsh
I have read red. It's the only Malaysian word in common use in English. That's interesting.
Luke Burbank
Interesting.
Andrew Walsh
Couple of links are in here. So there you go. Your first word for 2025. You're welcome. Happy New Year. From the verdant suburban hills of Redmond, Washington.
Luke Burbank
It is political correctness run amok.
Andrew Walsh
So set the record straight here, Luke. I know how to say the word amok. This is a long running joke on the show based on that piece of tape you're playing right now. I mean, this goes back which I.
Luke Burbank
Want to say, I think is from Fox News or something.
Andrew Walsh
It is political correctness run amok. This is from the radio days. Am I right about that? Like, this is some of the earliest TBTL lore.
Luke Burbank
You know, I think it was fairly early on. And again, the irony being that the actual statement that this person is trying to say is political correctness run amok.
Andrew Walsh
Yes.
Luke Burbank
But they're just reading it off the prompter. And you know what needs to run a moke is a, a greater understanding of how we pronounce words in English.
Andrew Walsh
Right.
Luke Burbank
For the Fox News staff. So yeah, that's the origin of that. I can't tell you the exact year we started using it, but in fact, when you, it's like the word refrigerator now on this program.
Andrew Walsh
Butter, microwave or microwave.
Luke Burbank
There are, there are a variety of words that we can no longer, that we can no longer say in the normal traditional way because we've played because our brains have broken from these drops. And a moke is one of them.
Andrew Walsh
And spreadsheet is another one.
Luke Burbank
Spreadsheet is one.
Andrew Walsh
Well, yes, precisely.
Luke Burbank
So I, I, what I would say to the person who made this post is if you ever hear Andrew or I mispronounce anything or get anything wrong, just know it's an intentional thing. It's always purpose.
Andrew Walsh
Always is on purpose. Exactly. And also, let me just share one meetup now. We have plenty of time on this. I'll remind folks of this in the, in the coming weeks. But I thought this was really sweet. Got a note from Annie in Seattle who said around Thanksgiving there was some chatter amongst tens about tens wanting to do amongst 10amongst tens. What did I say?
Luke Burbank
Amongst it is political correctness run amongst folks.
Andrew Walsh
Wanted to do some informal meetups and also was wondering if there's a way to kind of combine it with some sort of volunteer activity. And so it looks like Annie here in Seattle has set up a great opportunity to do this. Here's the copy she'd like me to read. Come hang out with fellow tens and give back to the greater Seattle community by volunteering at Food Lifeline in Seattle's South park neighborhood on March 1. What day of the week is March 1? I'm going to look this up really quickly here. Looks like that is Saturday day.
Luke Burbank
I mean, we had such a fun time getting together with a bunch of tens to do the volunteer work of fulfilling the tbtl.
Andrew Walsh
A thon.
Luke Burbank
Yeah, sure, that was a. There was a sort of a volunteer project that you could say benefited us as the people who couldn't make all of the friendship bracelets in time and then the people who got them in the mail. But what, what really stood out to me about that was just how great of folks the tens are and how much they love contributing to things. And this is something that's actually meaningful in the world. You know, Food Lifeline, so a great organization, by the way, for many years in Seattle. So love the idea of tens getting together to help folks and then getting to enjoy each other's company.
Andrew Walsh
So yeah, so let me, let me read her thing here. It says, come hang out with fellow tens and give back to the greater Seattle community by volunteering at Food Lifeline in Seattle's South park neighborhood on March 1st. I just looked it up. That's a Saturday from 9 to 11am Will sort and repack nutritious food to feed our neighbors who may be be experiencing food insecurity. You must sign up in advance though, via Food Lifelines volunteer program. And it looks like Annie is posting this link to Facebook. I don't have the link here, but maybe I can connect people with it as well. If you're having any issues here, you can email me andrewbtl.net Annie says there are 20 spots and volunteers must be 10 years old or older. And if you have questions, here you go. You can. Here's a good email address for all questions here. TBTL10s give back@gmail.com that wasn't taken. 10s give back 69 achievement. No, just joking. TBTL10s give back at gmail.com. if you don't remember that, email me andrewbtail.net and we'll get you connected. But anyway, that is really cool. We have plenty of time. Sign up. It's on March 1st. It's a Saturday from 9 to 11am Good opportunity to get together with other tens and also to do something good.
Luke Burbank
Absolutely. Thanks, Annie, for putting the word out on that.
Andrew Walsh
Very cool.
Luke Burbank
All right, my friend, I got a busy day. I've got to hack into my HBO Max account and figure out how to get rid of these ads. That's pretty much it. That's the rest of my day, but it's gonna. It's gonna take a while, so we should probably wrap things up. The good news is we're gonna be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for all of you. So we hope you can join us for that. In the meantime, have yourself a great Monday, and please remember, no mountain too tall.
Andrew Walsh
And good luck to all.
Luke Burbank
That went slightly better than the worst.
Andrew Walsh
It could have possibly gone, so hooray. Power out.
Podcast Summary: TBTL Episode #4374 "Steamboat Popeye"
Release Date: January 6, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh
00:00 – 03:11
The episode kicks off with Luke and Andrew engaging in their trademark playful banter. Luke shares a humorous anecdote about playing a drinking game with celebrities Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively, setting a lighthearted tone for the show.
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03:11 – 08:53
As the hosts welcome listeners to the new year, Luke provides updates about his home renovation at the Madrona Hill studio. He discusses efforts to make the upstairs of his one-and-a-half-story house more hospitable for his parents, who have been staying with him to help with the renovations.
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08:53 – 12:59
Andrew introduces a new segment titled "Tell Me if this is Relatable," where he candidly discusses his hesitation to return to the gym. He expresses concerns about fitting in and being judged, highlighting common New Year’s resolution struggles.
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12:59 – 44:15
The conversation shifts to streaming services, with both hosts lamenting the introduction of ads on platforms like HBO Max. Luke recounts his frustration with ads interrupting premium content, disrupting the immersive experience he values in high-quality programming.
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66:43 – 73:08
A significant portion of the episode delves into the news that "Popeye the Sailor Man" has entered the public domain. Luke and Andrew discuss the implications of this development, considering potential parodies and creative reboots now legally possible.
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57:10 – 76:42
The hosts take time to thank their listeners and donors, appreciating their support and highlighting listener contributions from various locations. They also address listener feedback, including a humorous correction regarding the pronunciation of the word "amok."
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76:02 – 76:42
As the episode winds down, Luke mentions upcoming efforts to manage ads on his HBO Max account and teases future discussions. The hosts express their gratitude to donors and listeners, ensuring continued engagement and support.
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Key Takeaways:
New Year’s Outlook: Both hosts share personal updates and reflections as they navigate the new year, balancing humor with genuine discussions about life changes and resolutions.
Streaming Frustrations: A central theme revolves around the intrusion of ads into premium streaming experiences, sparking a conversation about the evolving landscape of content consumption.
Popeye in Public Domain: The episode highlights the cultural significance of Popeye entering the public domain, opening doors for creative reinterpretations and parodies.
Community Engagement: Through listener interactions and donor acknowledgments, the hosts emphasize the importance of their community, fostering a sense of belonging and mutual support.
Conclusion:
Episode #4374 "Steamboat Popeye" of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live presents a blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and insightful discussions. Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh navigate various topics with ease, maintaining their signature camaraderie while addressing both lighthearted and substantive issues. Whether discussing New Year’s resolutions, streaming service changes, or the cultural shift of Popeye’s public domain status, the hosts ensure an engaging and relatable listening experience.
Listen to Episode #4374 "Steamboat Popeye" on TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live