#4408 FCC Your Way Out

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live Episode: #4408 FCC Your Way Out
Release Date: February 21, 2025

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Hosts:

• Luke Burbank
• Andrew Walsh

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1. Introduction and Weather Forecast

The episode kicks off with Luke Burbank welcoming listeners to the Friday edition of TBTL from the Madrona Hill Studio in the Pacific Northwest. Luke shares a personal note about feeling down due to an impending severe weather event—a 3,000-mile atmospheric river approaching the region, expected to bring significant rainfall over the weekend. Despite his current low mood, he remains committed to delivering the episode.

Notable Quote:
“...we are in the prelude to what is a 3,000 mile atmospheric river of water that is barreling this way and will be absolutely ruining things this weekend.”
— Luke Burbank [02:10]

2. Mariners Spring Training and Baseball Excitement

Andrew Walsh joins Luke to discuss the return of baseball, specifically the Mariners' spring training game. They reminisce about the sights and sounds of baseball, expressing excitement for the season's start despite the looming weather challenges.

Notable Quotes:
“Marco, I love looking. I love spring training. It's not the same as opening day. Opening day should be a national holiday, I believe.”
— Andrew Walsh [05:16]

“Baseball's back. That's actually very exciting.”
— Luke Burbank [10:03]

3. The Mobile Knife Sharpening Craze

Luke narrates his observations of a surge in mobile knife sharpening services in his neighborhood, drawing humorous comparisons to pop culture references like "Uncle Rico's van from Napoleon Dynamite." He highlights the unexpected popularity of such services and shares his own need to have his electric lawnmower blades sharpened.

Notable Quotes:
“It looks not unlike Uncle Rico's van from Napoleon Dynamite.”
— Luke Burbank [07:09]

“It's electric. It's fine.”
— Luke Burbank [10:11]

4. Paramount Global Compliance and FCC Settlement

A significant portion of the episode delves into an email Luke received regarding mandatory compliance training from Paramount Global, stemming from a consent decree with the FCC. The hosts explore the details of the settlement, which involves three instances where Paramount violated FCC regulations by improperly using Emergency Alert System (EAS) tones in broadcasts.

Key Points:

• Young Sheldon Incident: An episode aired an EAS tone during a severe weather scene, violating FCC rules.
• Entertainment Tonight: A one-second EAS-like attention signal was unintentionally broadcast.
• CBS News Radio: A producer mistakenly incorporated the official FCC EAS tone into a news story, leading to a $245,000 fine.

Notable Quotes:
“Federal law broadly prohibits the use of any portion of the Emergency Alert services tones...”
— Luke Burbank [11:32]

“In the Young Sheldon episode, in a scene in which characters were driving in their car in severe weather, featured an EAS tone followed by a warning of impending tornado.”
— Andrew Walsh [24:22]

“We have arrived at the end of our broadcast week, but we will be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio.”
— Luke Burbank [79:20]

5. Listener Donations and Acknowledgments

The hosts extend gratitude to their listeners and donors, highlighting contributions from longtime supporters like Bruce Parcher of Auburn, Washington. They humorously acknowledge unexpected donations and promote local businesses and listener ventures, such as Nick’s custom instrument shop.

Notable Quotes:
“Nick's instrument designs are beautiful and high quality... Nick is also a great person.”
— Luke Burbank [42:48]

“Bruce, I think is maybe a new name to me... I love the idea of Bruce in Namibia though.”
— Luke Burbank [58:11]

6. Personal Anecdotes and Weekend Plans

Luke and Andrew share personal stories and weekend plans, ranging from running marathons hindered by bad weather to attending game nights. They discuss hobbies like collecting vinyl records and the emotional connection to family-run businesses, specifically Andrew’s reflections on Walsh Manufacturing, a metal fabrication shop formerly owned by his family.

Notable Quotes:
“If we could just get to a February 30th, then we could have fit one in on Saturday next week.”
— Luke Burbank [76:12]

“And it's like my name, but there's no connection anymore.”
— Andrew Walsh [54:39]

7. Closing Remarks and Upcoming Topics

As the episode wraps up, Luke and Andrew tease upcoming content, including detailed analyses of Mariners' games and discussions on democracy's state following a recent conversation with a federal agency contact. They encourage listeners to stay tuned for more engaging content next week.

Notable Quotes:
“We will be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio.”
— Luke Burbank [79:20]

“I’m gonna go with humanitarian yeah.”
— Luke Burbank [77:03]

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Conclusion: Episode #4408 of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live offers a blend of humorous banter, personal stories, and insightful discussions on industry regulations. From the anticipation of baseball’s return to unraveling a complex FCC settlement involving Paramount Global, Luke and Andrew provide listeners with an engaging and informative listening experience. The episode also emphasizes community through listener acknowledgments and personal connections, maintaining the show's signature blend of camaraderie and casual discourse.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• “...we are in the prelude to what is a 3,000 mile atmospheric river of water that is barreling this way and will be absolutely ruining things this weekend.”
  — Luke Burbank [02:10]

• “Baseball's back. That's actually very exciting.”
  — Luke Burbank [10:03]

• “Federal law broadly prohibits the use of any portion of the Emergency Alert services tones...”
  — Luke Burbank [11:32]

• “In the Young Sheldon episode, in a scene in which characters were driving in their car in severe weather, featured an EAS tone followed by a warning of impending tornado.”
  — Andrew Walsh [24:22]

• “Nick's instrument designs are beautiful and high quality... Nick is also a great person.”
  — Luke Burbank [42:48]

• “We have arrived at the end of our broadcast week, but we will be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio.”
  — Luke Burbank [79:20]

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This comprehensive summary captures the multifaceted discussions of episode #4408, providing both a high-level overview and detailed insights into the hosts' conversations. The inclusion of notable quotes with timestamps offers authenticity and allows readers to reference specific moments from the episode.

Transcript

[Ian McKellen]

How do I act so well? What I do is I pretend to be the person I'm portraying in the film or play. Yeah, you're confused. No, perfectly simple case in point. Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson, comes from New Zealand, says to me, sir Ian, I want you to be Gandalf the wizard. And I say to him, you are aware that I am not really a wizard? And he said, yes, I'm aware of that. What I want you to do is to use your acting skills to portray the wizard for the duration of the film. So I said, okay. And then I said to myself, hmm, how would I do that? And this is what I did. I imagined what it would be like to be a wizard. And then I pretended and acted in that way on the day.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Ian McKellen]

And how did I know what to say? The words were written down for me in a script. How did I know where to stand? People told me. You see?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Ian McKellen]

So now you would be pretending to be John in this play. And how would you know what to say? Well, the words would be in the script.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Ian McKellen]

And you would learn the words. You would not have the script on the night. And that goes for everybody. There will be no scripts on the night.

[Andrew Walsh]

You learn the words. Yeah.

[Ian McKellen]

No, I speak them as if you were saying them for the first time. I didn't think we would have the script. Nobody won't. Because if you did have the script, it would break the illusion, and the whole thing is illusion. Do you see? You are not really John.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I know.

[Ian McKellen]

You are pretending, and that is acting.

[Luke Burbank]

TBTL.

[Andrew Walsh]

Guess what day it is Guess what day it is It's Friday Friday Gonna get down on Friday Everybody's looking.

[Luke Burbank]

Forward to the weekend in 1971, Bill Grates invented Michael Soft.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wouldn't it be cool if I could.

[Luke Burbank]

Remember my dingus password for my email?

[Andrew Walsh]

We are super fun here, and I promise I won't stop until this little guy's leaping and laughing like the other kids.

[Luke Burbank]

As my grandpa likes to say, hot diggity dog. As I like to say, hot damn.

[Andrew Walsh]

Have a good show, dummies. What you do is so important.

[Luke Burbank]

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's your lucky day. You just found a USB flash drive in the parking lot. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. He was king of the Tuk Tuk Sound, coming to you from the Madrona Hill Studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it's pretty cold today. But we are in the prelude to what is a 3,000 mile atmospheric river of water that is barreling this way and will be absolutely ruining things this weekend. I'm not handling this well. I don't feel competent, I'm depressed, I'm slouching. But at least for now things are sort of stable and we're in a good position to bring you episode 4408 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. I may have to take a quick break from broadcasting today and podcasting to respond to an email I received from the Paramount Global Compliance E training mandatory E training program subject line legally required Compliance training action required. We'll huh, try to unpack that together here on the show. Also, Duolingo has been in the news a bunch. You know that's the language app because they pulled a very obvious sort of publicity stunt of killing off their mascot, their owl mascot. But it has actually been shockingly effective from a business standpoint, it would appear.

[Andrew Walsh]

Anyway, it's working. It's working.

[Luke Burbank]

Try to get to that time permitting. We've always got time for this guy. Longest running cobra of the show. Best known for his depictions of the tall ships. One other thing about him, he's a prisoner of his own grievances. He is Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. According to my calculations here, which I'm trying to do on the fly, we are one hour and 13 minutes away from what do you know the first.

[Luke Burbank]

Mariners spring training baseball game.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is absolutely right.

[Luke Burbank]

I was wondering this morning and I did not know the answer to that. I thought are we at the point yet where I can turn on my radio and hear the soft sound of ball hitting leather and bats making contact with baseballs and the sounds of Peoria, Arizona.

[Andrew Walsh]

The crack of the glove, the swing.

[Luke Burbank]

Of the bat, the whip of the bat. Julio Rodriguez is back of the bat. The looking at the third strike. That's baseball's back.

[Andrew Walsh]

Mariners baseball is back. So right.

[Luke Burbank]

Let the the smell of the marine layer.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let the disappointment begin. No, that's.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh no, that's today.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love, I love looking. I love spring training. It's not the same as opening day. Opening day should be a national holiday, I believe. But I am excited that but probably about the time I'm posting this show the game will just be starting. That's Mariners, I believe Mariners.com if you want to watch it today. Not all of them are on there but the first one is that is.

[Luke Burbank]

I like so I mentioned the top of the show that we've got this river of water bearing down on the Pacific Northwest, and it's going to be a wet weekend. For some reason, it hasn't started raining here yet. And I don't know why, but I think because I'm trying to manifest it being springtime, I'm trying to kind of just get through the next month because spring actually technically starts, I believe, March 20th. So we're inside of a month before it's officially spring. But I got up this morning and I was like, should I mow the lawn today before it rains? Which is an odd thing. It's not warm. It's like 45 degrees. It's not like one of those days that do happen as spring approaches where it's a Saturday, it's unseasonably warm, and it feels right. It doesn't feel right. I'm like, forcing it, but I don't know why my brain is trying to do this, but the fact that the Mariners, some version of the Mariners, will be on the radio today is not. Not making me want to do that.

[Andrew Walsh]

It is. It is. It is. It's a marker in our lives, right?

[Luke Burbank]

I think I'm gonna wait. I want to wait till it's right. I'd be forcing it if I did it today because again, it's cold outside. It's the. It's going to be rainy. It's not. I think. I think I need to wait another week or two to get the full experience of the first mo. Also, you know what else I saw down. Down the hill. This has gotta be a phase of life, right? Where you start to clock, where the mobile sharpening people are, where the guys that pull up with a van.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, it's interesting. I see there's a.

[Luke Burbank]

You've been clocking.

[Andrew Walsh]

There's a sort of a. There's a hardware store in Maple Leaf that, you know, the Ace Hardware that they have like a digital sign that they'll change the messages on. And I noticed they said in house knife sharpener, you know, and I. And I didn't. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I think we are in. I think we're probably in need of a sharpening. I don't think I've seen any of the mobile, like, knife.

[Luke Burbank]

There's a guy with a van. It looks not unlike Uncle Rico's van from Napoleon Dynamite. It's kind of one of Those maybe like an 80s sort of Ford of some kind, and he'll just show up at various points down the hill. From me in like, you know, little parking lot areas and recycling center areas. And he'll just put out a sandwich board. And what's amazing is there's always a line of people, like, who knew that so many of us were trying to get through life with the dull cutting implements that all it takes is a guy in a Ford van who's going to sharpen that for you. But what I noticed, I was taking some recycling down yesterday and this mobile sharpening guy was out and I saw on his sandwich board, it said mower blades. And I was like, oh, that's because I've noticed, you know, I've got that Ryobi electric lawnmower that I love so much. But it's definitely. It needs a tune up at this point, really not, not, you know, not the motor. The motor is what it is because it's, it's electric. It's a pretty simple system. But I have a feeling that the blades are, you know, I'm not gonna lie to you. I've hit a few things with that lawnmower. Nothing, thankfully living, but just, you know, some curbs and some. Some rockeries and things where I try to get too close or where there's a piece of, you know, with all the construction around here, like a piece of rebar in the grass that I did, you know, so. And every time that I would like hit something with the mower, it would like stop for a minute and then I'd be like, oh, buddy, are you going to be okay? And then it would, you know, rev back up. But I have a feeling that the blades are probably need some tightening. They could probably definitely use some sharpening. So this adds a layer to the experience this year because what it means is I've got to get this Ryobi up on some blocks. Yeah, that's not true. I'm going to just tip it over. Let's be honest. It's. It's. It's electric. It's fine.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was going to say that's the nice thing about electric, right? Growing up, you turn that thing and then starts gasoline. You might flood it or something.

[Luke Burbank]

Carburetor shot. The thing may never be right, dude.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, I have an electric lawnmower now, too. The fact that I called you dude means I'm excited.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, I have that sharpening talk. It never felt more manly.

[Andrew Walsh]

No tipping talk. And for once in our goddamn lives, we're not talking about tipping at coffee shops or restaurants.

[Luke Burbank]

But that's a whole new frontier.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know that I Will. Because sometimes, like you say, you're mowing the lawn and it's a little bit wet. And so when you're done, you. You need to kind of clean out the bottom of the lawnmower. I don't know if I will ever stop having the Pavlovian response of, like, sort of like, quickly or sort of like naughtily, like tipping my lawnmower maybe.

[Luke Burbank]

Up on its nose. Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

And you're like, whatever. Feels like it's gonna flood at the leaf. I can do this. Like, it's all electric. It has a battery. It can hang upside down for a second while I clean it out.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. So this is also. This is further pushing me in the direction of delaying my project lawn mow. Because really what I need to do is need to go tip that bad boy over. See how loosey goosey the blades are on the bottom. See if they're easily removed. I'm guessing there's just some kind of. Maybe a cotter pin and a sizable, you know, sort of lug nut that I could take off. Take them down to mobile sharpening. Dude. And. And then maybe in a week or two, just. Absolutely. Just show this lawn who's boss.

[Andrew Walsh]

When the knife guy goes driving down the street, is there, like a trail of little kids? Like, it plays the theme.

[Luke Burbank]

Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

[Andrew Walsh]

All the k. An ice cream trucker chasing it down.

[Luke Burbank]

But they're all literally running with scissors.

[Andrew Walsh]

Scissors, machetes, what have you. Katana blades.

[Luke Burbank]

It plays the. No, it plays the theme from Halloween. Yeah, right, but in a real, kind of tiny.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, in a very. Yes, in a MIDI version of that. I can see it. I can see it. All right. Have fun out there.

[Luke Burbank]

Baseball's back. That's actually very exciting. I do have a. A busy day of trying to figure out what's going on with Paramount Global Security. I got this email this morning. Hello, Luke Burbank. Federal law broadly prohibits the use of any portion of the Emergency Alert services tones used by TV and radio stations to alert viewers to emergency information and the wireless emergency alert tones used by cell phones and other mobile devices to alert users to emergency information and simulations of those tones outside of an actual emergency or other authorized uses. In other words, they're saying, I am not allowed to deploy the Emergency Alert System outside of an emergency or authorized situation.

[Andrew Walsh]

In an authorized situation would be a clearly labeled test of the Emergency Broadcast System, which we're all familiar with.

[Luke Burbank]

And then it continues as a result of a consent decree that Paramount Global entered with the FCC regarding these Rules. You are required to take a short approximately 10 minutes training on the federal law based on your role at Paramount. Who knew that daytime Emmy award winning correspondent for Sunday morning also falls under the umbrella of guy who might be tempted to misuse the emergency broadcast system, but who needs to be trained on when it is and is not appropriate to use it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I assume there's just a big red button somewhere, right?

[Luke Burbank]

I've never, I promise you, I've certainly never been given access to. It says your participation. Your participation is mandatory and you must complete training by March 4th of 2025. It is critical that employees of Paramount and certain people that perform work for Paramount understand and comply with these laws, particularly individuals involved in the acquisition, production and or distribution of content for distribution by broadcast TV and or radio stations. You must take the training during your regular work schedule. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. Signed Lumen Melon Party.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, Melon Party in the Infinite Sadness. Still makes me laugh, by the way, days later. Well, I don't think you'll do this probably for legal reasons and because CBS probably like so many media organizations that are just trying to hold the line or just.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that's the thing. I was like, is this consent decree?

[Andrew Walsh]

Like I'm sure this spirit, like, I'd love it if you would just take it on the air with us because I'd love to.

[Luke Burbank]

I can't. I tried to log in this morning and like many things, I mean first of all, there's. I should not have gotten this email. Like I, this has no application to my job. But because my name is now on the list of people who got the email, I do need to figure it out. So I tried to. I clicked on. There was a variety of links and because of my employment status with cbs, which is. I'm a contracted employee there, but I'm not like, I don't get health care from them. I don't get vacation time. I'm, it's. I'm in a sort of liminal state with them. I don't have access to whatever the system is that that would allow me to watch the training. I don't, My, my, you know, employee number doesn't get me into that system. So I don't even know what I'm supposed to do about it. Exactly. I'll probably. There's somebody on the bottom of the email that I can send a message to saying how do I do this? But I would love to take it on the air again. Probably be a immediately violation of whatever it is they're trying to teach me. But yeah, my first thought when I saw that consent decree was like, oh, boy, is this. But then I realized this kind of stuff takes forever. This has to predate the current image. This just has to do with some kind of like, FCC thing. I got 20 where they're just like. But my question is, did somebody, somewhere, not even at cbs, but just generally. Although this consent decree, if it applies only to cbs, which, if people don't know. A consent decree is, generally speaking, a system of rules that are supposed to keep a particular organization or police department or whomever from, like, violating the rules going forward. It's like you do something you're not supposed to do and then you agree to a consent decree, which is basically a set of rules that if followed, will keep you from doing the bad thing again. And so that makes me think, did somebody at cbs, did John Dickerson activate a silver alert? By the way, we also made that reference the other day. And then I get this email that's suspicious, Andrew. Point suspicious.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I'm looking up what the original violations were. By the way, Paramount also is paying $244,000, almost $245,000 to the FCC for this. It says the FCC says that on June 7th. So what, like eight months ago or something? The 4pm Network radio newscast included approximately three seconds of the EA attention tone. Paramount told FCC that a producer working for CBS News Radio obtained the audio clip from a video posted by Universal Studios on YouTube and failed to recognize the east tone for what it was words. Somebody grabbed some tone for some production reason, played it around the time of the 4pm newscast and then that was flagged as the official tone. I'm sort of making this up now.

[Luke Burbank]

And now I gotta. And now I gotta take some kind of training out here at the Madrona Hill studio because a producer in New York. That is an amazing, dazzling detail, Andrew. And I appreciate. I can't believe it didn't occur to me to Google this, but this is incredible.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, apparently he put it in there. This person. I shouldn't say he. This person put it into a package.

[Luke Burbank]

Probably a DEI situation.

[Andrew Walsh]

It says after. It says after it ran. Realizing what had mistakenly been aired, Paramount says CBS News Radio deleted the story from its digital systems and did not include it in any subsequent newscast. So, yeah, for some reason somebody needed tone for a story. So they grabbed some tone off of YouTube. But unfortunately, the tone that they grabbed was the official FCC emergency broadcast tone. They put it in a story or a news package some way and Then they got flagged for it. Somebody who ratted them out, who recognized the tone.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I might guess something if it was cbs. If it's the network, it still goes on to a lot of stations.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, right. We used to carry this. I mean, maybe they still do it. Cairo Radio. I mean, CBS News, that was our thing.

[Luke Burbank]

Dung, dung, dun, dun, dun. That was the. That was the. The sound of my youth, of listening to AM radio.

[Andrew Walsh]

I thought, there's a sound of you trying to finish your. Your salad with an egg on top because you knew you're gonna have to crack your mic in about three minutes exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Sprint down to Grand Central Bakery, come back with a. I believe that was a frise. I only recently learned. Refers to the vegetables. But. But that's. Wow, what a crazy. Now, I wonder that poor producer. Like, you know this as a radio producer, Andrew. It is one of, you know, playing the wrong piece of tape. My question is, and we don't know the answer to this, was it the. I can't imagine that this person was attempting intentionally to integrate this tone sound, 3 seconds of tone into a produced piece.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Think about how long.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's too long for. Unless it was like, they're bleeping out Buster Blue, swearing at his mouth.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I hope it doesn't come to that.

[Andrew Walsh]

You're right. That is a long beep.

[Luke Burbank]

1, 1002, 1003. So that makes me think it was more in the category of, like, they saved it under the wrong file name. Like, it's the wrong piece of tape in enps. So somebody is trying to play a. Somebody's trying to play like a. What are we even called anymore? Like a. Not a clip. But I've been doing TV for too long now where we call it like a. An sot. But, like, in, like. Let's just say that you're reading a news story on Cairo. And if only I had a brother who actually, literally produces the morning news there. Like, you're reading a news story and then you're playing the tape of the person who was interviewed. And then you're talking. You have a script. What do you call it? A cut. What would you call the audio of the person being interviewed?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, we just call them tape. Right. Or cut. Cut. Or tape cut and copy or.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, okay, there you go. So, like, I'm wondering if somebody just mislabeled a cut and somebody, like, at CBS was trying to play a. Like. In other words, was this just, like the worst nightmare when you're a Producer which is that you just mix up some kind of a file and then the wrong thing gets played on the air and it costs CBS a quarter of a million dollars. And now the whole company has to take training about not doing that.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is, I'm trying to get more details by going to like before I was reading from the CBS press release about their settlement. Now I'm reading from TV technology. This doesn't add enough, but it adds a little bit of something. The investigation into CBS News Radio began after Paramount emailed the FCC on June 7th.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, we ratted ourselves indicating that a.

[Andrew Walsh]

News story concerning an event at Universal Studios quote may have improperly transmitted or caused to be transmitted in ES tests tone so. Or not test. I threw the word test in there out of habit. But Ian in EAS tone so the story, it was a story concerning an event at Universal Studios. I really think somebody on deadline grabbed some tone and they just. All the tone in all the world.

[Luke Burbank]

I think I actually found the tape here and you might be eating.

[Andrew Walsh]

I knew it. You're setting me up.

[Luke Burbank]

It's gonna. Well, let's hope it doesn't come to that.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love how old that tape sounds too. So did that sounds like you held a microphone up to your Magnavox.

[Luke Burbank]

I, I filmed it on my StarTac phone and then I held a microphone later up to my STARTAC phone to play that. But wow. Well listen Andrew, thank you for shedding some light on that. I again I should have thought to just Google what the precipitating incident was. But now I'm really fascinated with this. Like that's so, so cbs. There was a, there was some kind of a, some confusion, a mistake was made. CBS self reported it and then and has now gotten itself a quarter million dollar fine. God knows how much billable hours to legal developed whatever this system is, this training system that I'm supposed to take and then all of the people that have to be associated with that and executing it. Whoever emailed me to say you got to take this. I mean this has got to be a half million dollar endeavor for cbs. You know, so I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not going to take no for an answer next time. The hotel I want is out of the per diem. So that's where I go with this.

[Andrew Walsh]

So there's a little bit of information here that I'm pulling on and it's just, I don't think think it's smart to continue to try to unravel this.

[Luke Burbank]

But are we going to have to do a different training after our consent decree.

[Andrew Walsh]

After, you know, nothing wrong other than me ruining the. The podcast by trying to solve this on the air.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no, I love.

[Andrew Walsh]

I noticed that. So in the article from the publication TV Tech that I'm reading, there's an interesting. I'm going to call it a sentence, but it's not really a sentence that has really caught my attention, but unfortunately, there's a typo in here because it doesn't say this is not a sentence. It says. Regarding this ruling, it also admitted certain facts regarding an episode of Young Sheldon broadcast by the CBS television network on May 18, 2023. So apparently this settlement has to do with three different instances. One of them has something to do with Young Sheldon, but this is not. I think it's missing a word. It admitted certain facts regarding an episode of Young Sheldon were false or what? I'm. Go ahead. I'm going to keep Googling. You tell me your theory.

[Luke Burbank]

First of all, we need to. We're going to try to solve a mystery. It has been a long time since TBTL did any mystery solving. Yes, and I didn't want to miss a chance to. To break out our. Our official theme. This. Okay, I'm. I'm. I'm. You are, like, scouring the Internet for this information.

[Andrew Walsh]

I got it. I got it. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Can I guess?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. This is amazing. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

I have a feeling that what happened was the producers and writers of Young Sheldon created a scene on the. On the episode where there was an emergency thing on the radio or TV within the show. What do you call that again? Dia.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, diegetic. Yeah, yeah, like if you.

[Luke Burbank]

And then Young Sheldon got in trouble for it. And then when CBS Radio was covering young Sheldon being in trouble for it, they played it, and that got them in trouble for it. And now I got to take a training. Okay, what's the real story?

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, so you're basically right, but let me. Let me put together a timeline for you here. So the very first instance was the Young Sheldon instance. So there were three instances that were flagged from outside of the Ebbing, Missouri. Yes. And the first one was May 18, 2023. Luke, the world is a very different place then. Yes, and that one involved Young Sheldon. This is from. This is better.

[Luke Burbank]

I need an old Sheldon and a young Sheldon.

[Andrew Walsh]

By the way, this is from radio Television business report. They did such a better job on this than anybody else so far.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it's called TV Tech. It's not called tv Good at writing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, or Finishing sentences. In the Young Sheldon episode, a scene in which characters were driving in their car in severe weather featured an EAS test tone. I'm sorry, I keep saying test because my brain always says things because we've never. Thankfully.

[Luke Burbank]

And by the way, I give it about three days. With the current situation, I don't think we've ever. We rarely experience the real tone. Except for the fact that now that it's associated with Amber Alerts and Silver Alerts, it's become more frequent. But before that was the case, I never heard it as a tone. I'd only heard it as a test my entire life up until I was like 30.

[Andrew Walsh]

And if you've ever had to like run a board at a radio station and be in charge of running that test, I remember it was always super complicated. Like there was a special box and like you had to hit this two minutes ahead of time. And everybody took it very, very seriously because you could get in a lot of trouble messing this stuff up. As we've learned, they also it as complicated as possible. But so in the Young Sheldon episode, in a scene in which characters were driving in their car in severe weather, featured an EAS tone followed by a warning of impending. Of an impending tornado. As this is scripted dialogue, however, true to life, non emergency programming is prohibited from airing the tones. So in other words, it's exactly what you said. They just used it in a script. I can't believe that got past whoever.

[Luke Burbank]

Standards and Practices.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, this is a small, scrappy little startup of a show that like did something when. And their premiere like that is. I mean, how did some producer not realize you can't just use the EAS tone? Entertainment Tonight was the second flag. I think this one was dismissed. It says the ET episode featured a one second airing of an attention signal that was determined to be indistinguishable from an actual EAS tone. So. Oh, I see. So that was not. So that was this second offense. And then in the third offense, we've already talked about this. A CBS News radio employee failed to recognize the EAS attention signal for what it was. And no other employee reviewed the clip before it was distributed. So yeah, I think somebody.

[Luke Burbank]

So that may be unrelated to Young Sheldon.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. So those are three instances. Entertainment Tonight, Young Sheldon and the CBS News piece on the radio. Those three things were all part of the settlement.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm actually texting a friend of mine and a one time TBTL serious TBTL fan who is one of the creators of Young Sheldon. And I'm going to Ask him what he remembers about this. Easy. Because I wonder if, like, I'm so curious, like you said, how that. How there's just so many people that are. That are in charge of making sure that. And when I say objectionable, I mean, I don't think that anyone would think this is objectionable. But it's just like, like technically against the rules. This is the exact kind of no fun thing. Like, I would imagine if you're writing a TV show and then you get it all done and filmed and you're pretty happy with it. And then it's like you get the notes back from the network and they're just being like, well, they can't have the emergency alert tone happen in the car because that's a violation of whatever. And I would just be, as one of the producers and writers, be like, come on.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right, but you could just use a different tone. The fix for this one is so.

[Luke Burbank]

Just do it at a different. A different frequency.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, it just can't be the exact tone. But people are like, I don't know graphics.

[Luke Burbank]

You don't have that kind of verisimilitude. Do we even buy that Sheldon is young? Throwing any old Sheldon in there? You know, the funny part too is that I have been on the set. I have been at the very place probably where that was being created because they said it's something having to do with Universal Studios or something. And I've been out there because we've done a story from the set of Young Sheldon, which was actually quite fun. And bunch of real sweethearts there.

[Andrew Walsh]

But just want to hear that new. I'm just going bananas here. I just want to hear the news story. It was a CBS radio news story about something that happened at Universal Studios, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Okay, but see, that's why I think. No, you know what I can tell you that's the young Sheldon is shot on the Warner Brother lot in Burbank. So in other words, we know that whatever the CBS story was about, it couldn't have been about Young Sheldon.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, that would be really funny if CBS was covering it's. If cbs.

[Luke Burbank]

That was my initial suspicion. Which was. Which was wrong?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, because the original blurb I did read said some producer grabbed something off of YouTube. Like it's specifically said grab the tone off of YouTube. And it sounds like to. It sounds like to beep something. That's what I'm still circling around. That seems like somebody grabbed it to beep. But you're right, it's a three second beep. So Somebody was really following them off in the story about Universal Studios. I really wanted to hear that story. And obviously what I really want to know is I want to read the. What was the. What was the. The Internet news outlet that did deep dives on things that you loved and they were owned by like, Men's Shave Club or something like that. We used to reference it all the time. Half of your stories would come from there.

[Luke Burbank]

I know. And how quickly we forget. I probably still have it saved as a bookmark. Hang on, let me shave.

[Andrew Walsh]

Whatever. It turns out it was like kind of a. Even though it wasn't direct advertising, it was just sort of a good marketing or like, kind of PR move for them to also run this really kind of interesting website that told stories. I want. Anyway, I want them to find this producer.

[Luke Burbank]

Like an oral history.

[Andrew Walsh]

I want to sit down with this producer. How are they doing now? What. What was the deadline? What was the story? What was the deadline Pressure? Why did they do it this way? Was it like, did they. Well, it says nobody else at CBS listened to it before they threw it on the air. Is that person still in radio?

[Luke Burbank]

Right. Because honestly, like, I. I have a vague sense of maybe what a CBS Radio producer would make. And I will tell you, it's less than probably $250,000 a year.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that would be like. That would be one. Your salary for a bit there. That just, you know, hopefully they, I mean, obviously they didn't do it on purpose. I would hope that it wouldn't. Now, now let's take this to somehow an even more specific place, Andrew. Which is as I was. I still can't remember what the name of that website was that we were loving for a while, but I went to look in my old, like, favorites on Safari and boy, is it a journey through media products that, like. I've got kotkey.org on there.

[Andrew Walsh]

These are old bookmarks.

[Luke Burbank]

I got Grantland. I've got the all a W L now, Grantland.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that still bobbing along in some version of itself?

[Luke Burbank]

I think it was.

[Andrew Walsh]

Or is it still run by.

[Luke Burbank]

I think it's the ringer now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right. Oh, okay. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Grant Land up.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was a. I'm blanking on his name.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, and as am I, but that's okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, but it's him.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's see. I've got. Boy, this is. I mean, this is just. This speaks to my misunderstanding or my lack of understanding around how these saved safari favorites work. Because, I mean, there's just like, I've got a link for IPDTL in here.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, the good old ipv.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I've got. What else is in here? The Consumerist. Real Clear Politics. Sling Box. Remember we're talking about sling.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Wow. So this just saves all of your bookmarks.

[Luke Burbank]

I get. Yeah, I got Addie grades. This must have been a link.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God. How is she doing? Open that up.

[Luke Burbank]

Let me just.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let's check.

[Luke Burbank]

Is she doing an altar drive? Let's see what the. So far, it's thinking about it, I have a feeling that this page might not work anymore. This was the early days of where, like when your kid was in high school, you as the parent also had access to their academic progress.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think about that a lot.

[Luke Burbank]

It's not a smart thing. Actually.

[Andrew Walsh]

It is. You know, I was talking with somebody somewhat recently who has kids who are, I think one in high school, one maybe in middle school now. And they were kind of talking just matter of factly about, you know, like, oh, well, so and so's. I'm going to not use the kid's name. So and so's, you know, got this project or was talking about their homework or whatever, and I realized, oh, you have access to all of that. And we didn't get too much into it, but like, I, you know, I have no connection or any view at all into the world of raising kids or certainly like sending them off to school. But it does seem so much different these days. Like there was a bit of. I'm kind of talking out my ass here because I might misunderstand how this stuff works, but I almost felt like, boy, back in the day, it really was, well, you got to trust the kids. You got to trust the kids to.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, say, and now we were getting away with. With murder on that whole situation. If you were a lion, no good.

[Andrew Walsh]

Cheat like I was, yeah, you shouldn't trust me. And by the way, I didn't get away with anything. I just got bad grades all the time. You know what I mean? I was like, I was constantly coming home, like, you have to sign this piece of paper because Andy didn't do his homework again or whatever. I felt like I was always getting, you know, just kind of being chased by various teachers, parents, administrators because I had to get this signed or that signed. But at the end of the day, it really was like, I'm sitting in this classroom, this teacher is telling me what I need to complete, and I'm either going to complete that or face the consequences. It isn't. It's probably Better for education. But it really does take some of the autonomy away from kids, I guess when the parents are also like getting pinged digitally with, this is what your kid has to bring to school tomorrow.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, right. And an important thing that I learned was how to lie to people, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

And how to sort of.

[Andrew Walsh]

We're all the better for it.

[Luke Burbank]

How to play with the truth a bit. Because there was not my parents. Although let's. I'm going to be honest. Yeah, I love my parents. My mom may hear this. My mom dips in and out of the show. But I did mention on Blue sky the other day that I had about a one hour conversation with my mom and dad when they were over last week trying to get to the bottom of this film that my mom really loved called Guilt, starring, as she put it, that very pale gay guy who died. And eventually we arrived at the fact that the movie was called Doubt and it was featuring Philip Seymour Hoffman.

[Andrew Walsh]

So a few things were.

[Luke Burbank]

I would say it was a couple of critical elements of the description of the film were incorrect. But I guess pale.

[Andrew Walsh]

I guess pale.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what? One out of three?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, pale and dead, unfortunately.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, that's true. So two out of four. I mean, sadly, it kind of made me think she was talking about Philip Seymour Hoffman. I was like. But anyway, all that is to say, I wonder if even now my parents had their hands full. They had seven kids, they had a lot going on. I wonder if even now they would avail themselves of the technology. Like in other words, if I was 14 and in school and they could go in and check if my assignments had been turned in or not. I wonder if they would avail themselves of that. I know a lot of parents do. I've got two sisters that are in education. One of my sisters, Hannah, is a principal. And I would just say, without painting her into any corner, that it is certainly a challenge in academics, as I understand it these days from the teacher. And the administrative side is that parents, you've got a range of involvement from parents, which is on one end of the spectrum, not enough involvement, and on the other end is maybe a little more involvement than is helpful. And now you've got a lot, lot for the, for the parents that really, really, really want to kind of be involved and have a view into things. There's a lot of technology for that, which I wonder if that's always actually like, there's probably a middle amount of it, a medium amount of it. That's probably the right amount.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what it was Truman Capote I think that maybe she recognizes Philip Seymour Hoffman as Truman Capote.

[Luke Burbank]

She did mention that. No, actually she didn't. But I could see. No, but I could see how if she. If she was, you know, having seen that film or seen clips of it or seen even just the Rotten Tomatoes rating. Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, that's what I was going to say. Maybe if she put your. Maybe if the teachers, like, put your homework assignments in a Rotten Tomatoes review.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, Luke is not fresh right now.

[Andrew Walsh]

What's the freshness rating on this geometry?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, poorly. You know, weirdly, of all the math that I took and did poorly at in high school, geometry was the one that I was a little bit less bad at. And I don't know why.

[Andrew Walsh]

Me too. I loved. I actually, I could not do it now, obviously, it's been so, so long. But remember, that was the one. Not only was it sort of fun because you're learning about angles and there was kind of fun toys, your protractors and stuff that went along with it that made it interesting, but also that was the one where I'm forgetting the word for it. But you had to write out the entire process. Remember, what is it in geometry where you.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Was it proof or something? You would write down. It would be like this, thus this, thus this, thus this. And it was sort of. You'd stack it up and there was just something so satisfying about it.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And kind of straightforward in a way. Like where I really went off the rails was anything that was sort of algebraic or calculus or where you started to get into substituting. And I know that probably happens in geometry as well at some level, but it felt like, okay, this is a triangle. This is where you draw the line from here to here to figure out what, you know, to bisect this or whatever. You know, it just. It felt kind more straightforward to me than other kind of mathematics that I really struggled with after that, you know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah. So I'm looking at geometry proofs here and like, it's so weird that when I was a child, a mere babe in arms. Yes, I could do this.

[Luke Burbank]

And your mom would hold you while.

[Andrew Walsh]

You were doing your geometry homework. I was 17. We were very close.

[Luke Burbank]

Can I put you down, Andrew? You're kind of heavy.

[Andrew Walsh]

We were very, very close. And she was very strong. Great upper body strength. But yeah, they are proof proofs, by the way. Great on that. So it's like here, given AB equals ac, prove that whatever symbol B equals.

[Luke Burbank]

Whatever symbol C that I could follow.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And then you would be like statements and Then reasons. And then the reason, the first reason is always given because that's what you were given. God, I love this. I want to learn geometry again. I'm going to learn geometry today instead of walking. You should go.

[Luke Burbank]

You should go audit a class at North Seattle College. Would you ever do that? Like, not for geometry, but just for, I don't know, something you were interested. Do you ever break out the North Seattle College Extension catalog?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't. You know, Genevieve did, right? Did I mention that to you? Genevieve took her sewing class there about two or three years ago, which really did sort of jumpstart. She only took the one beginner's class, but it really jump started a pretty intense hobby for her now, which is she's now making. Making a lot of her own clothes and having a lot of fun, like learning.

[Luke Burbank]

And she asked her the other day, I was like, did you make that? And she was like, no. And then I thought, well, is that an insult then if I say that?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I think she was like, but I could have. Yeah. I was gonna say maybe somebody. Yeah, maybe she told me that story because I was like, I think she said, somebody asked me if I made this. And I said, no, but I could have.

[Luke Burbank]

I said, but I studied.

[Andrew Walsh]

I studied the person.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, I took us. I took an intro to blues guitar at North Seattle College, but I was in. When I was in high school.

[Andrew Walsh]

You are a tree frog.

[Luke Burbank]

They weren't the tree frogs yet. And back then they were North Seattle Community College.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, I still call it that.

[Luke Burbank]

But did they film most of the brutalists there?

[Andrew Walsh]

I believe they did. I believe they did.

[Luke Burbank]

I still need to get. I still need to see that movie. By the way, Becca is. No, because remember, I was. I was in England. And also, just so you know, there's no amount of popcorn that will get Becca into the theater for that. She is so, like, you know, sort of go with the flow. And there's like, yeah, sure, that's fine. Like, honestly, almost never. It was rarely like, no, I don't want to do that. That was the hardest and the quickest no I've ever gotten from her on.

[Andrew Walsh]

Something like a big cement block. It was a hard no, right?

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I was like, we could see the Brutalist. She was like, that's all right.

[Andrew Walsh]

We get some Indian food after.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. No, I love. I love Indian food and the Brutalist. Just never at the same time or independently or ever is the deal. We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's Right, man. Razzle dazzle. On your mark.

[Andrew Walsh]

On your mark.

[Luke Burbank]

Get set, get set now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Ready?

[Luke Burbank]

Ready, Go, everybody. Razzle dazzle. All right, let's thank some dazzling donors. I'm proud to say that the. Well, first of all, the donations of dough that these dazzling donors are making are significant. It's how the show can exist.

[Andrew Walsh]

Very significant.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm proud to say that we have, as of yet, entered zero consent decrees with the Federal Communications Commission, and therefore, all of this money that is donated goes into funding too. Beautiful. To biz and the business boys.

[Andrew Walsh]

So we should be all set. Oh, no.

[Luke Burbank]

Dear God, let that be Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, Luke. Corey, what have you wrong?

[Luke Burbank]

Cory Plucker of East Hampton, Massachusetts. I'm actually legitimately nervous about that. Is it. Do you think because we had razzle dazzle going over it, we're okay and we're a podcast?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a good point.

[Luke Burbank]

That's a really good point. I mean, that'd be one of those kind of good news, bad news things where it's like, if the FCC is monitoring this feed, it means. Well, it means they're onto us, Andrew. But, yeah, I highly doubt we rise to the level of getting in trouble. But we do get coverage if, you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Know, if we get grouped in, like, cbs, Paramount and popular podcast Too beautiful to live. Settle for.

[Luke Burbank]

We got to get that one producer at CBS Radio rehired so they can re.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Mess up something on the air that involves playing us. Playing the emergency broadcast tone. Cory Plucker's in East Hampton, Massachusetts. It's our old friend Corey who's been supporting the show for years. Thanks, Corey. Hello. I wanted to use my message to promote my good friend Nick's business. Nick is a master craftsman who spent many years building professional grade drums. Andy transitioned into making guitars and bass guitars in the sleepy rural town of Granville, Massachusetts. Boy, that sounds like a life.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was gonna say this sounds up your alley. What are the chances we get through this without you buying one of these.

[Luke Burbank]

Guitars or buying a house in beautiful Granville, Massachusetts? Please check out Jones in music, that's J O N E S apostrophe and music. Kind of like Jones. And for music, it's the dot com. So it's J O, N, E S, N. I don't think it matters. But the N is capitalized and then music dot com.

[Andrew Walsh]

Don't put the apostrophe in there. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

For the website, please.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Nick's instrument designs are beautiful and high quality, and he can custom design from scratch to make the instrument someone has always dreamed of. He often harvests his own wood from local sort. I am moving there, by the way, his family's wood reserves. Or you can use a customer's piece. I own a model MP guitar, which I absolutely love. His Instagram page is worth a follow. He posts photos and videos of the building process from his workshop in a historic factory. Nick is also a great person. I am so close to getting to listen to TBTL regularly. Maybe if someone orders a guitar, he'll come around.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, interesting, Interesting.

[Luke Burbank]

I like this. I like how you're leveraging the interests of the listeners. Nick's interests and ours.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, this could maybe even get us in trouble with payola somewhere somehow. Like now we're in trouble.

[Luke Burbank]

Another good problem to have if they're getting paola. Man. I'm looking at the Jones and music website and yes, this is very therapeutic. This is the kind of thing like I watch. There's a guy did not to. Not to muddy the messaging here, but there's a woodworker in Portland who kind of became pretty big on TikTok for a while just doing these elaborate woodworking projects. But that he's also very good at documenting. And I definitely find myself at certain times just watching people do something that I have no ability to do and will never do, but to just the observing of other people doing it, particularly when it's like a high level of artisan behavior, just calms my soul. It's just kind of soothing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I think a lot of people are into that. You and Chris mentioned something on stage. I didn't know that you guys were both into this as well, but the rug cleaning. Yeah. Carpet and rug cleaning videos, now that's not artisan, but man, that's a. I didn't know you guys played around in that space. That is.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Very satisfying that.

[Luke Burbank]

That one. I don't know if you. If you were seeing the same guy, but there's a guy who has, you know, like a kind of a warehouse space where he does it, where he's got this big white square with these gutters along the side and he's just working on. And then he puts it in that like, kind of agitator that, like centrifugal or centripetal. I never know the difference. It's got some spinner that'll spin out the dirty water. Wow. That's the only thing that can heal the soul during these turbulent times.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you know when I used to work for my dad at a metal fabrication shop in Cleveland, Ohio, Right There on Triscuit Avenue, if you happen to be driving. Driving?

[Luke Burbank]

Triscot Avenue. Interesting name.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I know. One of the best crackers, Right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. We talked about the origin of the name. Right.

[Andrew Walsh]

There's no longer any. Oh, we did at one point.

[Luke Burbank]

Electric Biscuit. You know that. You know, I exclusively eat Triscuits now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah. That's a little carby for you, I would think. I mean, I'm not judging you.

[Luke Burbank]

I just mean this is the thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Usually avoid that stuff. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, no. First of all, my New Luke in 2025 is I eat whatever I want to eat, but I try to eat the version of that thing that's the least processed. And Triscuits have three ingredients. There's flour, water and hydrogenated oil. No.

[Andrew Walsh]

Flour, water and red dye number five.

[Luke Burbank]

And salt. I don't know what the third is, but, like, basically, the thing that was. The thing that was holding me back on Triscuits for so long was I didn't like the texture.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I like the texture.

[Luke Burbank]

It was like a shredded wheat. Three things of salt on it. I was not into it. But now they make these new little Triscuit triangles. It's the exact same thing. Three ingredients. But they're much more pleasant for me from a tactile and a kind of a. Whatever you want to call it, it. The sensory experience. And I am loving them, Jerry. I'm back to eating crackers. As long as they're these Triscuits.

[Andrew Walsh]

I remember you saying that I like the kind of size and shape of a regular Triscuit. Although for a while I was playing around with the rosemary ones. But honestly, those taste too chemically to me. Now, it doesn't taste like real rosemary. But all of that is to say, when I was working there at Walsh Manufacturing, which is still called Walsh Manufacturing, if you drive by, you see the sign, you give a little honey.

[Luke Burbank]

Owns it now. Like a Korean multinational.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah. My family is incredibly wealthy. Have I not mentioned that to you?

[Luke Burbank]

Wait, it's still in the family? They didn't sell it to.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, they did sell it, but they did not sell it to some multinational company that made us generationally wealthy.

[Luke Burbank]

Lumen.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, but it's another. Another small business owns it now, or, you know, a man and his sons. But anyway, I was going to say there was. There were these devices way in the back in this area called the paint room, where things were often painted. But there were these two devices that I never saw in action but mesmerized me. And they looked like picture A cartoon of somebody being shot out of a cannon in the old timey days.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

Only it's a little bit smaller than they were drums. Right. But they were a little bit fatter in the back and a little bit more narrow. Not quite as long as a cannon. Right. But more like a drum. And it was up at an angle as if it wasn't going to shoot a ball. Like it kind of like across the lake or something. No. You know what it was. Was it filled with these really satisfying because, like, everything in this shop is just like industrial machinery. Right. Not a lot of color, not a lot of. So these were just like gray and bland or whatever. And inside them was also the color gray and bland, but very, very smooth stones. Just very smooth stones. And I asked my dad at one point, like, what do these things do? They were tumblers. So if you have something that needed to be sort of like rounded or deburred or something, and I don't think they did this process very often, but if they were small enough, you could toss them in there and I believe maybe add some. Some sort of liquid, I don't really know. And these things would just tumble the metal parts for a long time, and it would just like take the edges off it. Apparently. I never saw them in action, but I would, like. I would just sit by them and eat my bologna sandwich and imagine.

[Luke Burbank]

I bet you that that is an entire wing of TikTok. And I bet it's very.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

People just feeding stuff. I'm thinking. I don't know why this is where I'm going with the conversation right now, but that's an interesting business model to do. Have a fab shop, because my guess is you talk about how hard your dad and your uncles worked or uncle and everybody there, but there must have been so much reinvestment into the business for the equipment, because just to be able to do that stuff, you must need so much equipment, and that equipment must be so expensive. You must just spend, like the first 20 years making enough money to keep acquiring the really expensive equipment that you need.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, there was something. And this is. This name is going to be triggering for people. But listen to me say it all the way through.

[Luke Burbank]

Hear me now, and believe me later.

[Andrew Walsh]

There was this machine that was a huge investment for the company in the. I want to say they brought this in maybe in the 1990s, maybe in the early 90s. And it was called a Trump machine. T R U M P F A trumpf Machine. And it was the first thing that I believe my, you know, that the office my family brought into this company that was like, that had any kind of a digital aspect to it. And there was this guy named Freddie. He was a German guy named Freddie. And he would. I mean, I guess he was German American, but he always ran the Trump machine, would like, kind of program into it, what you wanted it to do. Like, I'm sure the one that the shop had at the time was so antiquated compared to what these machines can probably now do in 2025. And we're talking decades ago, but this was an early version of it. And then like Freddy would just punch in some numbers and then you could hear the Trump machine just banging away as it cut out out of huge sheets of metal.

[Luke Burbank]

A CNC laser.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's cutting it now. It's laser. I don't think it was laser back then. I'm pretty sure, like water. I flat. I. I think it was punched out because it was a loud banging. I could be wrong about that. I don't know. But I feel like it was pre laser and I feel like it was actually like kind of. It probably had some sort of sheaths that came down paying bang, bang, bang until it cut through. And that just seemed like. I'll bet you. I wonder if my dad would want me to. I don't think he would really care, but I'm just curious, but I think that was such a layout of an investment that really had to pay out because it was a small shop, you know, like, I don't know how many employees, but, you know, well under a hundred certainly. Like, you know what's funny is 40, maybe 30.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow. That's actually pretty sizable. 30 people working.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I'm thinking office. You have engineers in the office. You have some people. You have a bunch of guys in the shop. If it's 15 and 15, that's pretty. That's.

[Luke Burbank]

That's a decent sized operation. Like, this is what I think is. Is kind of weird about or funny about this, is that. Okay, so signworks. So you got Walsh Manufacturing there in Ohio. You got signworks out there in Seattle. Where my dad was, was. Now the big outlay for my dad was at some point he bought something called a Gerber sign maker. And that was like the vastly less expensive but similar device to the Trump machine, where instead of like stamping out and cutting out things of metal, it was cutting out vinyl. It was taking these big rolls of vinyl. But it was a plotter. So it was probably some similarities. Like you programmed it to do Something and you enter, you put in. In this case it was like fonts and stuff. And then it would know how to cut this. These specific. So this is how all the Taco Time lettering was done and stuff. It would be cut out of this, these big rolls of vinyl. Then we, the kids or my dad or whoever would like take out all the stuff that wasn't the letters. And then you, you, you do this masking tape and you take it off and you apply it or whatever. But it's like I remember when my dad bought one of those, it was like maybe $3,000, I want to say, or something where it was like, like basically like we are rolling the dice on this machine. This is going to, this is going to allow us to do jobs we couldn't do before. But if it doesn't pay off, it's over. Like this is an investment in the future of the company. And it's just funny that. And that also by that, by the way, scales with the size of Signworks versus the size of Walsh Manufacturing. We had this little thing that was $3,000. You guys had this big thing that was probably $300,000.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm having a weird sort of feeling right now. My dad and uncle sold the company over 10 years ago. Now I'm wondering if it might even be 15 because my dad stayed on for a little bit and he retired maybe 11 or 12 years ago. All of that is to say this isn't new. Shocking developments for me that Walsh Manufacturing is no longer owned by my family. But I never go on their website or anything and I just typed in Walsh Manufacturing. It's interesting. The logo hasn't changed. And there's the classic W logo. That was all we had notepads with. We had these, you know, and it's just funny to see that it's still there. And then you click on the About Us page and it says over 50 years of metal fabrication and machine design. And it says the Walsh difference. We take this time to listen to customers unique production problems, blah, blah. When my family ran this place, it was pre Internet for the most part, or at least it's certainly for this sector. So I don't think there's a lot of messing around with like copy or any kind of like marketing copy like this. About the Walsh difference. I'd never heard that before, but I'm having a weird feeling reading this now because it's my name, but there's no connection anymore. Like I think my, my. I think my dad is still friendly with them and we'll swing by and say hi. You know, it's still a. You know, it is a very family operation. I know that the people who run it now, it sound like, from. From everything I hear, like, legitimately, really, really good people. And also I think there's a little bit of, like, how are these guys running it so well? I mean, I don't.

[Luke Burbank]

It's actually so when you go to the website, it looks like a more robust operation than you remember of the OG days.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not so much robust. It's still a very basic website for a fab shop in Cleveland. You know what I mean? It's like it's probably not going to win any Clio awards or whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

I just mean the business itself, like the equipment.

[Andrew Walsh]

For me, it's the name. Like, just sort of reading this, the Walsh difference. We take the time to listen. It's kind of like, I know that nobody named Walsh wrote that or had anything to do with that, but it's like my name. I don't know, there's just something weird about like, filling this sort of disconnect to this thing that I'm now like, kind of nostalgia tripping about as I look at this website.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I can only imagine. Yeah, it must be kind of a. Yeah, like a bit of a mind.

[Andrew Walsh]

Would be like if somebody bought your dad's sign company and then logged on. And then it was like the Burbank difference and it was right, the sign works difference.

[Luke Burbank]

We haven't made a sign in two years because we've been rebuilding Luke's house. I believe that's on the website for.

[Andrew Walsh]

A slightly jacked up price compared to.

[Luke Burbank]

The people down in the. No, I got a good deal on some cabinets recently. My dad charged me less while he was working at the home shop, so that was a nice little. Benny.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, I've never obviously been to this website, Andrew, but I can imagine looking at this logo and again, this is your literal last name, to. I'm just. I'm now repeating what you said with even less kind of personal investment in the matter. But it's like to, to. To have this thing that you grew up with as central to your life, continuing on in its life and it looks like thriving in a good way. Yeah, no, it's just kind of an interesting experience.

[Andrew Walsh]

And you can learn about. If you see that slideshow at the top, you can learn about the five main kinds of parts. Washers, Luke. So you have your belt style, you got your rotary style.

[Luke Burbank]

What about your dip style?

[Andrew Walsh]

Definitely got your dip, dip, dip. Got a cabinet style. Nothing moves in their cabinet style. I don't mean to turn this into a negative thing, but a cabinet style parts washer is kind of the most boring. Parts washer. It's basically like a dishwasher. Like there's not a lot moving at it. But the monorail. A monorail. Little parts hanging from hooks, going through a machine, going through different phases of cleaning and drying and heating. That's where the.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't know parts washing was such a business.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh yeah, that's why I'm here today.

[Luke Burbank]

That's what got you through Kent State.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

You had every expense paid because you were from the parts washing dynasty of Cleveland, Ohio.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

But what are the parts to? I mean, I can't believe this is descending into fab talk, but like this is clearly a big part of the business and a lot of pretty high tech equipment for doing it. Parts washing systems. I'm curious what the parts are that are getting. These are industrial parts for big machinery type of things, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, they're probably parts that are being made in a plant somewhere, but then the final or one of the near final processes is they need to be cleaned. So one thing that I know an example was always like manifolds, right? If you're like if your gm, I think was maybe, I don't know, there was some major car concern that was like a client for a while, I think, or a customer. And like if they're, you know, if there's some huge factory somewhere and they're starting with some chunks of metal and then through various processes of the assembly, like it's getting pounded and cut and formed and shaped and. But then maybe near the end of this process, it's probably in the shape it needs to be, but it's all gross and greasy and burrs on it or whatever. So then maybe the process is you put it on a belt washer and it takes a little ride through this thing. And they, they, some of them were huge. Depending on like what the parts were and what needed to be done. You could have a small one that just sort of, you know, sprays it off and heats it up and dries it off. Other ones would like, it's like a Bugs Bunny cartoon. It seemed like it would go on for miles. They never let me take a ride in one though, so.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh really? Well, that's because they loved you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Luke Burbank]

I think that's a good thing. Well, thanks, Corey. Yeah, appreciate the Support everybody. Check out. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Jones music don't go to Walsh manufacturer.

[Luke Burbank]

Go go to Jones for your music needs and go to Walsh for your parts washing needs.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's all reclaimed material and it's all made in a small.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right hand hand forged machinery and manifolds. Maestro, on your mark, on your mark. Get set, get set now. Ready, ready, go. Everybody rattle dazzle. We've also got to thank Dazzling donor Bruce Parcher of Auburn, a Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello, Bruce. Now I could be wrong about this, but Bruce, I think is maybe a new name to me. I don't know if Bruce has donated in the past, but maybe a newish listener. Welcome.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure. Bruce. I think Bruce is not a newish listener, but I think. Let me read the message. Maybe Bruce is new to the dazzling donor game. I see Bruce says big fan here, but one of those that kind of lurks and enjoys the show and the community that I feel a part without actually engaging much. I came to TBTL as an expat in Namibia during the Cairo days.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh. Like I said, new listener.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. It's only been 17 years.

[Andrew Walsh]

17 years.

[Luke Burbank]

Sorry, Bruce, Bruce. But Andrew, to your point, Bruce is a self identified to kind of maybe a slightly more quiet listener. I love this idea of Bruce in Namibia though. Like going to the Cairo website, which, you know, know, God, back in those days. I mean, I wonder if it was like how functional it was if it was always streaming. I love the idea of Bruce just wanting to reconnect with Seattle. It's surprising how many people have that story of coming to TBTL because they lived somewhere else. Maybe it was abroad or maybe it was just a different part of the country. But they kind of missed Seattle or the Northwest. And so then they would like Cairo. They identified with that and then they found this TBTL thing. My work. Bruce is referring to his work in Namibia wasn't making me rich. So it took a long time to get to a place where I could give back a little for all the pleasure and entertainment you have given. Ah, Bruce, thank you, thank you. This makes me think either Bruce was working in some sort of maybe humanitarian kind of, you know, component or like maybe an NGO of some kind or a speculative mining operation, I was gonna say. Or just absolutely, just, just absolutely just.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just like a heavily destroying the landscape.

[Luke Burbank]

Just. But, but, but at an intense financial cost up front so that it did not pay off until later. Either one. Bruce will take the donation.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

It's either distributing mosquito nets or just absolutely pilfering the land. Now I'm home For a while, taking care of my aging mother and selling art and other treasures online to earn enough. Okay, now we're getting down to it. I'm going with humanitarian yeah. On other treasures online to earn enough to keep my favorite podcast going, if any. 10 our collectors are looking for a gift. Just Bing.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's how you know he's a long time listener.

[Luke Burbank]

Good poll, Bruce. Just Bing. Alphabet Street Store, ebay. And there I am. Identify yourself as a 10 and I'll send you a coupon for crazy big discounts. That's a power out from Bruce. Thanks, Bruce Parcher.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm looking at the. Are you on the. Are you on the.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I'm reading the message but now I'm gonna go to. What's it called again.

[Andrew Walsh]

So it's just Bing, if you will. Alphabet Street Store, ebay, I believe Alphabet. And there's all kinds, so it's not all handcrafted, as Bruce said in his message. Like there's also collector stuff on there. There's a whole section of vinyl records.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, dude.

[Andrew Walsh]

Placido Domingo. My Life for a song. $8.

[Luke Burbank]

What do you know that Monday. I'm not trying to steal your mind, steal your move, Andrew. But on Monday, I am taking delivery of a turntable.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, fun. No, that's great.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm really excited about it and I'm allegedly, it's a turntable so that I can use with the Sonos system that I have. It's not made by Sonos, but it's allegedly works with it because I had my dad make these kind of like cabinets and sort of built in benches for the part of the living room of my house, I guess you would call it. And there is one kind of cabinet area that's like perfect for a turntable, but it has no access to any speakers. Any of the speakers. Like, I'd have to do a crazy janky. The running of the cables.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I hate cables.

[Luke Burbank]

And so this. Ideally what I will be able to do is play a record. When Addie and I were at that place, Sou'wester, we had so much fun playing records. And you've talked about this like. And again, we're not saying a whole lot that hasn't been said, but there is something very nice about how contained and finite the vinyl record experience is. The playing of it. You're not going to skip any songs because it's too much of a hassle, Castle. You've got to go back and turn it over later. There's the COVID I am really, really.

[Andrew Walsh]

Seeing like, when people are over, it's like, well, what do we want to listen to next? Like, you know, I mean, we did that in the ox age, too. Sort of like, hey, grab the ox. But it's a little bit, like. It's more communal. Like, hey, what should we grab? Okay. Oh, yeah. There's just something so much more fulfilling. I think about it, for some situations. Like, some situations, it doesn't make sense. Don't take a record player with you if you're jogging, for example. I'm not trying to deny the convenience of modern technology, but there is something fun about having a record player.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And also now if I. If I get the record player sort of working and operational, then when I'm out and about, because, I mean, one. I feel like vinyl. There's so much vinyl out there. And you can go a little crazy with it. Like, you can start picking up too much kind of ironic content and kind of weirdo stuff. But, like, to have a pretty solid collection. Like, you know, our friend Roden actually got me some albums that I. He got me the War on Drugs on vinyl.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Which. Which I. That might be the first record that I play when I get this thing set up. Because that's just like, a vibe.

[Andrew Walsh]

I like the idea.

[Luke Burbank]

I really like the idea of having. I want to have like a roster of maybe 20 or 30 kind of solid records across genre that I'll just have on in this area near the record player. And then maybe all the other records. I got like some weird Christmas, you know, Elvis stuff and whatever. That kind of stuff. You always. I got King Creole or whatever.

[Andrew Walsh]

You have at least one Herbalist. Albert, you gotta.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, whipped cream, please. My friend probably got a couple of those.

[Andrew Walsh]

She was like, Seattle. The woman on the COVID was.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Native.

[Luke Burbank]

Just have that, like. Have a kind of. Yeah. Like maybe 30 albums of different styles for people to pick through. When you come over, hey, put a record on. And then maybe somewhere else have that kind of, like, overflow area. Like, we don't need to be going through every Conway Twitty record. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's funny you should say that. I'm going on. There have been, over the past year, sort of going on a similar journey. Because I had a pretty big. Not big, but I had one crate, basically, of records that was pretty full. But so much of it was like. You say, sort of like, well, this seems quirky. I. But, you know, I'll buy it or grab it for free.

[Luke Burbank]

This is a dollar.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And then a lot of it was classic rock stuff, which I loved at a certain time. Like, I have every. I think I have like the first five Doors records or something, but it's like, how often am I gonna be putting on the Doors record? Well, obviously every night, but when you're doing it. But anyway. But yeah, now I've sort of have been doing the same thing. Like buying some, you know, new reprints of records that I love. You know, I'm. I'm not trying to be precious about it. There was something I discovered, something a couple of years ago, Luke, that I thought you would find to be an interesting story. Before we get back, by the way, to Bruce's dazzling donor message here. I had quite a shocking discovery, in a good way. When I started to get a little bit more serious about my records about a year or so ago and started sorting them out a little bit more. I had this Talking Heads record called Electricity. Notice I said Electricity, not electricity.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't like that. I like.

[Andrew Walsh]

I like tragedy. I like how you heat for that. But anyway. And then as I was like going through my records and kind of like putting them in order, I was like, I don't remember where this fits into the kind of Talking Heads discography. So I look it up and it's not in there. And then I started looking at the record more. I have no recollection at all when I picked up this Talking Heads record. It's a full on bootleg record, but produced like a real record. And like the one side, and this is a coincidence, was recorded in Cleveland, Ohio, at the Agora Theater. And then it was remastered by some guy who's kind of a somewhat famous engineer. And then it's got some other tracks and I think some SNL live tracks to fill it out. But, like, it's got a real record cover, it's got a sleeve. And it was like, I've been doing a lot, some research on this and getting various answers, but it turns out that there were some guys who were like, kind of started bootlegging things in the 60s, 60s and 70s, but before digital and before cassette tape, you know, like, you know, like, I always thought of a bootleg as you got into your stoner friend's car and he had a briefcase full of like, cassette tapes that had like the Grateful.

[Luke Burbank]

Somebody stood near the monitor with a.

[Andrew Walsh]

Microphone or somebody grabbed the, you know, the feed, the off of the feed. Right. Yeah. And so. But this is natural, like fully looking produced vinyl record that just does not exist in the world really.

[Luke Burbank]

And it's got yeah, because. Because it's. It's got. It looks like it's got Psycho Killer and Take Me to the river on it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Are you. What are you looking. Does the COVID Is it like almost a black and white ish looking cover and it's a house, but it sort of looks like the chimney is a person on it?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I'm on disc.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

It's Talking Heads electricity.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not worth anything. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

The big country. Does it list a price for this? I don't know if it tells me here what it's. What the price is. It's funny because they Are there two songs or did they just like. Is this a language thing? They list a song on here called Psychic Killer. Then they also list a song called Psycho Killer. The demo version. I'm like, there was not also a version called Psychic Killer, was there?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't think so. I think that there's probably a typo on this website. Although I could be wrong.

[Luke Burbank]

$15, it looks like you could get on vinyl exchange. £15. That's actually better.

[Andrew Walsh]

But yeah, so it says it was quote unquote, released in 1980. But I don't know, it was just such a shocking thing. I was like, I've had this thing and I have never. I've gotten more into the Talking Heads as in the past like 10 years or so. So probably I was just at some record store or more likely like garage sale or something at some point in high school or college. I was like, I've heard of these guys. I'll buy this record. And then years later realize, oh, this is like a. It's. Again, I'm not excited because I think it's worth something as a collector. It's just like really cool, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, yeah. I mean, again, I feel like an example of that. And this isn't cool. This is a record that probably sold 10 million copies. But I have. Whatever that first Cars record was and that has all their hits on it. Maybe it wasn't their first record, but, like, would I normally in my life either put like go on Spotify and start playing the Cars in my house? No, but is it super fun to play that record? And I grabbed it at some point at a garage sale because I had heard of the car. Like, you know, that was the amount of thought that went into it. Not like, I've got to complete my collection or this is a seminal work or whatever. It's like, of all these records, I do recognize the Cars. I used to go to my friend Ollie's house And he would play this cassette tape.

[Andrew Walsh]

So.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. But now I'm like so glad I have it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I cannot believe there are certain records. And of course this would be true for the Cars. The. The bands I can think of right away are the Cars, Fleetwood Mac and, and probably Tom Petty or Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, where they released albums that you look at the playlist in 2025 and you're like, how is this not a greatest hits? Their debut record, just simply called the Cars starts with Good Times roll, My best friend's girl. Just what I needed. Like that's. That's a quarter of the record. Three of the hugest hits. You're all I've got tonight is on side two. And I think the rest are ones I. I don't think I know. I'm in touch with your world. Don't cha. Stop. Whatever. But like, my God, literally half of this record is like platinum. That doesn't make sense.

[Luke Burbank]

But. Yeah, I know what you mean though. I mean, it's like this. One of these songs off of an album would make it like a spectacular album. And it's just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Speaking.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, we're going to sued by that tvtl.

[Luke Burbank]

Breaking news. We have an update on the Young Shelter situation. Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Great. Okay. Yeah, let's hear it.

[Luke Burbank]

I. I asked my friend who is one of the creators of the show. Hey, random question. What do you remember about the Young Sheldon EAS tone thing we're talking about on tbt? Oh yeah, we got fined for that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

He goes. And then a season later, we did another tornado alert thing on the radio. In the show, I followed all the guidelines and got it approved by a bunch of people and got in trouble again.

[Andrew Walsh]

Really? Maybe internally in trouble because I didn't see it mentioned on the FCC again.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know. I could, I could ask a further follow up, but it seemed to be a real. It seems a real issue for the otherwise very successful Young Sheldon show.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm waiting. No offense to you or your bud. I'm way more obsessed with knowing what the CBS News radio story was and who.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, maybe you get a friend over there, Andy.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't have friends, Luke. I have what they call a toxic personality.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, you can get that washed.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, I think we're still in the middle of Bruce's dazzling dodor.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I think we're done. I think we just need to say thank you, Bruce. We could not do this without you. Hey, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey. Hold on to weekend plans. Before I answer that Question, Luke. I just wanted to clear something off of my plate. I'm sorry, what were you gonna ask me?

[Luke Burbank]

Big weekend plans.

[Andrew Walsh]

Big weekend.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow.

[Andrew Walsh]

Had that queued up.

[Luke Burbank]

Perfect.

[Andrew Walsh]

Biggest one I've ever had. Big weekend.

[Luke Burbank]

What do you. What are you up to this weekend?

[Andrew Walsh]

This is interesting. Maybe, sort of. I'm going to a game night. Genevieve has some colleagues who, I don't know, occasionally over the past, I don't know, six or seven years that we've known them, will organize a game night, sometimes at their apartment in a group of folks. I think most of them are colleagues of Genevieve. I don't. I don't know if they all are or not, but we haven't had one in a long time. The pandemic kind of put in a stop to that or whatever. But I am especially looking forward to tomorrow's game night. I'm not a huge gamey person. I actually get. Well, I am a gamey person. No matter how much I shower, get that watch. I get very, very nervous because I don't know what games we're going to be playing yet. And I'm sure they're somewhat high concept. But I get very nervous thinking I'm just gonna expose what an idiot I am to all these smart people. But then I always end up having a really good time. And then I'm always in the mood to play more games at the end, but especially this time because as much as I enjoy going to these folks home, generally speaking, I am somebody who does not love hanging out at people's homes. There's nothing I have no issue with this particular place where we usually. It's not a shoes off house. It's not a dinner party. It's very casual, it's fine, it's fun. But these folks also belong to. I'll bet you you know this place and I'll bet you you would be interested in it. It's not. It's not the Yacht club, is it? The College Club. The College Club down on Eastlake. It literally has like a floating dock. It's like the Tyee Club. It's called the College Club, I think. And it's right on the water on Eastlake. Look it up. Tell me if I'm right about that. And it's like the Eagles. If we paid probably 100 times the dues. It's like a nicer fraternal place that like. It's a rowing club. It's like a kind of.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, it's funny, I have really nice walked by this place a million Times. A friend of mine used to have a houseboat just on the water next to this. But I've never been in there. But I know. I know the place that you're talking about now.

[Andrew Walsh]

So. Yeah. So that's what we're doing tomorrow and I'm actually really looking forward to it because it's a beautiful place. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

This is more than the eagle to get together.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah, right, exactly. It's a bit nice. I've been here a couple of times or maybe maybe just once. But it's a nice place. But like I gotta say, you give me a game night with a group of friends. But also like, you don't have any kind of the pressure of going to somebody's house. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

You're liking that it's loving neutral location. Because you can. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I'll let you know what games.

[Luke Burbank]

If they play charades. I would just say try to stay off the jazz. Jazz characters.

[Andrew Walsh]

People know the. He was in the Colgate Comedy Hour. I. I would was going to say one other.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm looking around for my posters. I have somebody sent me like concert posters for all of those characters that are named by Tim Heidecker. Shorter. It's like Squeaky Boop short somebody. The Worm Hicks. Marcus the Worm Hicks.

[Andrew Walsh]

I remember a long time ago telling you about this because this is something that is has changed is like I think when we first got together with this small group of people to play games, we played that game that was. Was I later learned a different version of the game Mafia that you were familiar with. Only this one was called Secret Hitler. And it was like, basically you sit around.

[Luke Burbank]

I know we talk secret.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. When we would you sit around and like one person is like the secret fascist. And like, you all kind of have to like use clues. I think it's like that game Mafia used to play, which I've never played that version. And like now it's kind of like obviously we're not going anywhere near that. It's just like we're living in a goddamn fascist nightmare. Like I just can't imagine have a.

[Luke Burbank]

Feeling we're not a fun little like routing out of the. Of the person who's been assigned to be the baddy in the game.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's like.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like, oh, is Steve Bannon here? Did you see Bannon do the salute?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I did.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow. Anyway, so those are my big weekend plans.

[Luke Burbank]

Big weekend plans. We had big weekend plans to. We're supposed to run this half marathon in Vancouver. But this atmospheric river Got. Got me shook. I. I am, first of all, for running 13.1 miles is at the very edge of my abilities.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe slightly beyond the edge of my abilities, but I committed to trying to do one of these a month this year with Becks. And so we did one in. In January, and we're supposed to do the February one, but I cannot do. I can't run that far in pouring rain. It is just going to be not fun. And same for Becca. So we're. We're scotching that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you are scotching it. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

But now we're going to have. But see, now this is the whole thing starting to erode or unravel because now what we have to do is try to do one next weekend, which is technically March. We have to do one in March 2 and then another one at the end of March.

[Andrew Walsh]

You're doing two.

[Luke Burbank]

You're doubling up, doing two in March, none in February and two in March because we're trying to keep with the pattern of doing, doing. Also, I blame February. Not having enough days.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, a little bit shorty.

[Luke Burbank]

If I could just get. If we could just get to a February 30th, then we could have fit one in on Saturday next week. So I'm trying to be, you know, chill with the fact that I've already. It's one month into this, and I'm already. I've already failed to achieve the goal of one of these per month. But I figure if we do two in March, it'll.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And plus, I. I went for a run yesterday down at the lake, and I didn't feel like I did not do 13 miles. I didn't even do close. I didn't even do half of that. And it did not feel like I had another eight miles in me, I'll tell you that much. Like, I did about five miles. And at the end, I was like, yep, that's it. That's what we've got. So I guess maybe I, Maybe I have this atmospheric river to thank for buying me a little reprieve of this situation.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is there, like, a credit trading system or, like the credit offsets or whatever?

[Luke Burbank]

Carbon offsets.

[Andrew Walsh]

Carbon offs. Could you apply a carbon offset set credit system, too?

[Luke Burbank]

I need to just get that from Becca because she's got these friends that she runs with, these friends that are always training for something, and they'll just go out and do like 20 miles on a Saturday. I'm like, okay, Collectively We've run 20 miles today. Can I have 10 of that?

[Andrew Walsh]

Right. Or hook up 10.

[Luke Burbank]

I have 10.

[Andrew Walsh]

Barry. Broadcast Barry. He's got so many extra miles, he's just banking them away. You give him something in return for that. You give the miles to Becca, and then you can watch him. I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

I send him two bags of coffee every month.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wait, hold on.

[Luke Burbank]

It's already lost. Yeah, exactly. All right, well, I didn't get to my thing I want to tell you about with the tsa, but maybe on Monday I can talk about that. I had a conversation today before the show. Oh, yeah, that. It wasn't, like, an intense conversation, but it was the first. It was the first moment I've had of even semi jokingly interacting with the fact that our democracy is melting down around us, if that makes sense. Like, I haven't. I haven't had a conversation with someone at a federal agency about this topic until today. So maybe. Maybe we can talk about that on Monday. Or maybe we'll just cover how the Mariners did today in excruciating detail. Some guy who's never going to get on, never going to actually play in the majors, you know, got a hit into a fielder's choice in the eighth inning. We can break that down.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. We will know in about four hours time whether or not the Mariners are headed to the World's Series this year.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Or back into the dustbin of history.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, thank you, everyone, for listening this week. Of course, we have arrived at the end of our broadcast week, but we will be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio. So please come join us for that. In the meantime, have a great weekend. Stay dry if you're up here in the Pacific Northwest. Take care of yourselves, wherever you might be, and please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all. Sorry. Made a stretching, groaning sound while you were.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that was.

[Andrew Walsh]

I forgot that my mic was open. Just ready to slide down the din you like to say good luck to.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, see you Monday.

[Andrew Walsh]

Power out.