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#4428 Calendar Boys
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Luke helps prep Andrew for his upcoming appearance on a public radio talk show. They also check back in with the TBTL Community Calendar to find out what activities the Tens are planning.
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Luke Burbank
What are you guys doing here? Emergency band meeting. I'm working. This is my work. You're not working. You're just holding a sign. Yeah, well, I got the job because we didn't have any gigs. How can I give you a gig if you've got this job? Yeah, but that's why I got the job, because there were no gigs. Well, I can't get you a gig if you're gonna always go and do a job. Yeah, but that's. I needed the job because there were no gigs. Well, I've got you a gig, so what's with the job? Yeah, but that's it. That's the thing. I got the job because there were no gigs, man. It's a chicken egg situation. What do you mean? What do you mean, chicken? Well, you know, what came first, the.
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Andrew Walsh
Chicken or the egg?
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Luke Burbank
Oh, it's irrelevant. Causality. Stupid. The chicken, obviously. Oh, well, where did the chicken come from? Well, it came from the. Ah, you see the egg. You're the egg. You're a bad egg.
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Andrew Walsh
T B T L guess what day it is. Guess what day it is it gonna.
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Luke Burbank
Get down on Friday?
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Andrew Walsh
Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. Garbage.
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Luke Burbank
All I've been thinking about all week is garbage.
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Andrew Walsh
I mean, I just can't stop thinking about it.
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Luke Burbank
Allow me to introduce myself. Maybe you've heard of me. California Magazine just did a piece on me. The exception of being misquoted several times, I thought it was a pretty good article.
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Andrew Walsh
I'm not trying to be disrespectful or.
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Luke Burbank
Anything, but I kind of feel like you're winging this and it's going bad. Stink. Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBT All. The show just might be too beautiful to live.
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Andrew Walsh
Targets. Targets.
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Luke Burbank
My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. If you want to talk, I've got two ears. And they're tuned to the listening station. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill Studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it's another just wet, cold, unpleasant day. Didn't know you like to get wet, though spring is off to a questionable start. It's that. It's that thing of when it's really cold, like your hands and extremities are going numb when you're outside. But also, it's raining. It's usually one or the other, like, very cold, but then, okay, it's dry. We'll take that. Or it's raining, but it's a little bit warmer and we're Getting the worst of both worlds. And yet, my friends, you've arrived at the best of both worlds. And that is episode 4428 in a collector series, Let the Fun Begin, where we got some voicemails that have been. Voicemail. Is it like deer? Is the plural of voicemails still voicemail? I'll ask Andrew in a minute. Anyway, we got some voicemail to Ahoy hoi. Clear out from the TBTL listener line. 206414 TBTL 206414, 8285 Also, we've got the TBTL community calendar folks getting up to things and we want to tell other folks about the those things. So we'll get into that as well. And we'll say hello to the aforementioned longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's the guy who brought the rock and roll edge to the Chipmunks. And one other thing you should know about him, I like turtles. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.
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Andrew Walsh
Good morning, Luke. You know what's not interesting? I was gonna start by saying, you know what's interesting? But then I realized what I'm about to say is actually not that interesting.
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Luke Burbank
Actually, that's good. You know, that's level setting.
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Andrew Walsh
Exactly.
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Luke Burbank
Now that's interesting.
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Andrew Walsh
Expectations are a really important part. It's like ego.
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Luke Burbank
Ego is the killer, but right behind that, the manslaughter is expectations.
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Andrew Walsh
So earlier this week, at some point, I don't remember exactly why, we were sort of talking about language and like how some things that have been traditionally nouns sometimes are slangified and then turned into verbs. Sorted. Well, there was that whole thing. But putting that aside for a second.
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Luke Burbank
That'S what you're referring to.
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Andrew Walsh
There was. Well, it was the same conversation, but I'm talking about the. Where some words act as both nouns and verbs and some are kind of traditional. Okay, this conversation, I'm sort of kind of quoting a conversation that is now going on online on the same topic. But like, rain would be a good example. To borrow Corinne's example. Like, you can say it's raining as a verb, but rain is also a noun. It's the stuff that falls from the sky. And so, you know, there is a, obviously a long tradition of words being both nouns and verbs, but, you know, it is both. Somebody had asked me what a pet peeve of kind of a slangy pet peeve is, and I said adulting, like that idea of taking a something that's traditionally a noun and turning it into a verb kind of irritated me a little bit. I also think I have other hang ups about adulting and the cultural connotation. All of that is the same. Corrine pointed out in the chat that male is. And I know I have trouble saying that word in ways that people in the Pacific Northwest like to hear, but.
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Luke Burbank
I'm talking about the talking male or.
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Andrew Walsh
M A I L M a I L. Mail. So you can mail something. And also the object that you have is mail. Like I have a stack of mail. That's a noun and I can mail something. It's a. It's a verb. Same with email. You can email something and also you can receive an email. It's a noun and a verb. You were talking about voicemails and you got a little bit in your head there in the beginning. And voicemail breaks the tradition. I told you this is not interesting, but you can receive a voicemail, but you can't voicemail someone.
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Luke Burbank
You can leave a voicemail and answered. I said in my opening, andrew will know. And you were talking about it. I really appreciate this, but like, you can't.
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Andrew Walsh
You can email me, you can mail me something, but you can't voicemail me. You can leave me a voicemail and the only verb there is leave.
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Luke Burbank
Can I d mail you. I'd like to grow a pair sometime.
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Andrew Walsh
You used to be able to. I don't know if you can anymore. I'm not sure what's going on.
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Luke Burbank
None of us. You're right, though. You can't. I can't.
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Andrew Walsh
You can't voicemail me.
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Luke Burbank
Or. Well, the mummy used. The mummy used to voicemail me.
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Andrew Walsh
He would say that I'm voicemailing you or I'm giving you a voice.
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Luke Burbank
Nobody do it. And this is. He was one of the first people. You know, life finds a way. I'm sorry, sketchiness finds a way. And he was one of the first people to figure out that there was a thing you could do where you could send. You could basically call someone on their cellular phone and you could go right to their voicemail intentionally. You could go around the process of their phone ringing and them seeing that you were dialing. And by the way, this really speaks to what a different time, I don't know, 2000, whatever this was was. Because nowadays I would like more people to avail themselves of this service because I'm. I'd like to not ever answer the phone again if possible. But in those days, the typical thing was because texting was not, you know, the default communication form. Basically what happened is, like, we'd have plans and. And then he would be trying to get out of them at the last minute, but he wouldn't want to call and say, I can't. And actually, I wonder if this might not have even been cell phone. This might have been landline. He had figured out that there was a way that you could go. You could go right around the actual call ringing and just go right to. I left you a voicemail. And that was his trick, because he didn't want to have. He didn't want me to pick up the phone and go, all right, I'll see you in 10 minutes. And him say, oh, I, you know, insert bullshit. And so he had figured out that you could just basically leave someone. You could. You could voicemail them. I know this doesn't. This isn't really. That wouldn't be how you would describe it. So I'm not actually trying to argue this point, but it reminds me that he did figure out how to essentially send you a voicemail without ever having your phone ring. So then he can be like, ah, I left you a message. And it took me months to figure out. I was like, am I losing my mind here? And then somebody else clarified, no, no, no, there's a way to do that. And he just figured it out.
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Andrew Walsh
That's interesting when you first started talking. Or that's.
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Luke Burbank
I want to see how this is.
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Andrew Walsh
Maybe I don't need to continue to try to categorize all of our remarks as interesting or not interesting. Maybe that way lies madness and insult. But no, I thought. At first I didn't realize that was going to take sort of a negative turn. Because one thing, I have a few friends. In fact, a friend just did this yesterday. I have a few friends who like to send kind of longish voice memos via text these days. And it's a sweet thing. Like, it's kind of nice. I heard from my friend, she wanted to weigh in on some TV shows that we've been watching lately, Severance and White Lotus, and just left me like, a nice, I don't know, two or three minute, like, just voice memo, as opposed to just texting it all out. And it was nice to hear her voice. And I got a few friends who do that, and I kind of like that. But that's not what you're. You're talking about a guy who's trying to, like, pull one over.
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Luke Burbank
Well, yeah, just trying to back out of something that they'd agreed to Nay Might have even instigated, but then not wanting to have to deal with the conversation around the fact that they were bailing. This was an early way as far as that recording voice memo thing and sending them. I decided, I don't know, a year ago that I was gonna start doing that with my siblings a lot more. And I did it. Well, I. Bart Simpson did Andrew. I did it one time, and then I threw it in the closet. But it was a fun one time. I don't know why. Why is that hard for me to stick with as a thing? Because there's something that's a little bit more personal about it. You know, I think I got it from, like, Becca and her friends. I think they use something called Marco Polo.
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Andrew Walsh
I remember you telling me about this.
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Luke Burbank
This was years ago. But, like, I thought it was really a cool thing. And I don't know how they were able to stick with it. And I'm not. Maybe it's because I do this all day. So I'm all talked out by the end of the day. But, like, they would just leave each other these, like, pretty substantial, pretty long, Just kind of like updates on whatever. And I thought it was quite charming and a nice way to. To feel close to your friends, even when you're not maybe geographically right next to them. And I, again, I endeavor. I probably announced on the show with great fanfare that I was going to start doing that. And then I did it, like, once or twice. And I think my siblings who I sent it to were like, oh, my gosh, this is so cool. Let's start doing this. And then we never did it again.
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Andrew Walsh
You know, I never did it on the reg, I don't think. But that's how you say regularly. I don't think I ever did on the reg, but way back in the day, before all of this newfangled technology, and we're talking about cassette tapes here. I'm pretty sure that. Because I was a pretty big letter writer. Like, a lot of long letters, too. Like, a lot of my friends when I was in high school were a year older than me. So a big read. So they could read. Exactly. So a big chunk of my high school friend group all went to college in the same year. You know, I mean, I still had some friends who were still in my grade that I hung out with, but a huge chunk of my social circle all kind of scattered across the United States as they went to various schools. And so we wrote letters. Boy, Luke, did we write letters. And boy, looking back on, I kind of I guess I don't think about this that much. I mean, it got to the point I remember writing my friend Kathy a letter that was a spiral. I started on the outside of a piece of plain white paper and wrote in tiny letters, a real letter, but I just kept spiraling the page until eventually I ended in the middle of it. Like, we just got creative because we were just spending so much time. We didn't have the Internet to dink around with. There were no tics, there were no talks. And so we would write letters. But I also am pretty sure me and my friend Dave occasionally would send each other a cassette tape with our thoughts, which is like the very early version of sending a voice memo. Right. And I swear this American Life has, like, sort of used. I think back in the 90s, I think people did that a lot more, and it actually could lead to some good radio.
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Luke Burbank
Right. And this also, you've pointed this out that, like, this is kind of one neighborhood over, but also the. Like the mixtape or the Burn cd as a sort of. As a sort of act of love, as an act of thinking about someone. I do think that in. I'm gonna stop myself right here because I can just hear myself and the audience aging. It's like we went to that beach in the M. Night Shyamalan movie, and we're all just getting older from me saying this. But that's, you know, as things have gotten easier and easier in certain ways, there's those. I was never the greatest at those things. Like, I just didn't have the follow. So the good news is I'm consistent. I've consistently been unable to follow through with things throughout my life, but I am, you know, I was the recipient of some of those things from, you know, I don't know, friends and maybe people that there was a certain romantic.
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Andrew Walsh
Interest there, a little spark maybe. Maybe an unsaid spark at times.
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Luke Burbank
Yeah. And then, like. And just like, you know, the way that there are certainly songs that I will hear to this day that I will think about, like, oh, the person who made me that, you know, that Burn CD or that mixtape or whatever it was. It was a. I don't want to say it was a simpler time, but it was. It was nice that we were doing those things. And I don't know, I got to figure out ways to re. Engage with that a little bit or from. In my case, engage for the first time.
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Andrew Walsh
Well, yeah, I mean, to. To say something positive about you is that jacket looks.
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Luke Burbank
Boy, would it change.
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Andrew Walsh
That jacket looks nice. And also I think that technology. I feel nostalgia for old technologies just because I'm old and I'm a nostalgic person. But I don't want to lose sight of the fact that a lot of technologies do bring us closer together. And I am always very charmed by your conversations about your family text chain. The Hawk Squad, which started as a way, I mean, if I understand it correctly, it's called Hawk Squad because it was just a way for everybody to talk about the football games, the Seahawks games when they were on. But now it's just a very loving way for you, your many siblings, your daughter, daughter, Your parents, like three generations, your nieces and nephews. I'm sorry to leave them out. Like, we have three generations of people who are all on this big family text chain. And that is really sweet. In the same way making somebody a mixtape is sweet. Like, you're absolutely right.
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Luke Burbank
Thanks for reminding me of that. Because you're absolutely right.
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Andrew Walsh
And in fact, in fact, you're getting emotional.
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Luke Burbank
Surprisingly not about my family, not about the people who've loved me since my very first days on this planet, that I've got a complete emotional control. I start talking about the artist formerly known as Prince Andrew on the day of his passing. Forget it. Game over. Oh, yeah, but no, but you're absolutely right. Like this. I'm just scrolling back on Hawk Squad now and looking at just like all of the. Just the ridiculous. It's like St. Patty's Day. Because, you know, my mom is like.
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Andrew Walsh
I just really barbaroed you there.
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Luke Burbank
Sorry about that. My mom, my mom is like obsessed with policing. If people have. If people in our family have green on or not for St. Patrick's Day. So there's this whole everybody checking in. Like my brother David has got his beautiful still new daughter Gemma, and he's showing off that they're wearing green. And then my sister Liz is showing the corned beef that she's gonna slow roast at her house. And my niece Maddie over at college is checking in. And just like it's a. It's just, it's a really. You're right. It's a really sweet little nice way of communicating and being in touch that we would not do if this were. If we were using the pony express or we were sending postcards. And this is only because of one of our favorite topics on the show, Andrew, SMS technology.
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Andrew Walsh
That's right. Do you want, like, do you want me to give you a little background around that? Yeah. What do you got? I got Luke. I got speaking of what you got.
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Luke Burbank
Now that the biggest. That was a very, very natural segment.
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Andrew Walsh
I could see where we were going there. I was like, I got. All I got is this.
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Luke Burbank
I wish I could say that I was setting you up for that. I wasn't, but it was just a happy accident. Hey, any big weekend plans, my friend?
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Andrew Walsh
Well, and you know, what always happens with this segment is you always ask me and then I talk too much and we never hear about your weekend. So I will try to keep this short. I will say, socially, I have nothing on my dance card right now, but you know that later on today, I'm. As soon as we're done here, I'm heading into KOW to be. Oh, yes, Bill Radke live.
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Luke Burbank
How are you feeling about that?
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Andrew Walsh
You know what, Luke? The reason I bring it up is I'm feeling pretty nervous, which is interesting. I know that it sounds like I'm making a joke, because the first time I was on that show, I talked about it for weeks and months about how almost paralyzed I was with nervousness. I can't remember the last time I was that nervous. It felt like I was going in for a job interview live on the air. I just hadn't done live radio in so long, and it wasn't like my show. I didn't have any control over it. And I think very highly of the people who appear on kow. This is a smart. This is a very smart audience with very smart guests and a smart radio station. I was very, very nervous, as longtime listeners of the show know, the first time I was on that program. And then I've been on, I don't know, like what? I don't know, five times or something now. And sometimes I just kind of, you know, I've gotten a little bit more used to it. I can picture what it's going to be like when I go in there. There aren't as many question marks. I think I'm. I'm not freaking out like I was the first time, but somehow I don't know if it's been a while since I've been on. I don't know if it's just my. My brain chemistry today. I'm just sort of looking at the topics, and maybe it's because the world has changed so much.
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Luke Burbank
That's what I was wondering.
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Andrew Walsh
And I feel like, you know, I think maybe part of the anxiety comes from me really wanting to feel like I'm presenting, maybe like I'm representing a point of view, you know, because I'm going to be on with a political reporter. Kow, great guy, actually listens to tbt, I believe. Scott, a woman who is a Republican who ran for state senate, I think, maybe last time, and runs sort of a business organization. And, you know, we're swapping thrown around topics. And like I've told you this off air, I think maybe the first time I went on, I was really like, okay, this is gonna be like a debate. I gotta be ready. And the thing is, it's not a debate. I don't like debating. I really don't. I don't know if you find that hard to believe, if you think I'm argumentative on the show, but I really don't like a debate format. That's not what I'm good at. I like chatting with people, and it's okay if we don't always see things the same way. After my first few experiences, I found it really reassuring as far as, like, human nature is concerned that you can go on and have conversations and it's not, I'm gonna win this conversation. That's not the vibe over there. But I think, like, the moments before I go in there, I feel like I really need to remind myself that. I need to remind myself that, like, all of progressive Seattle is not putting their hopes on me. You know what I mean? Which is. I mean, that is the most pompous thing to even admit to that that would be a good thing.
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Luke Burbank
I can understand it, though.
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Andrew Walsh
But, like, that's kind of what's going through my head.
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Luke Burbank
Sure. I totally get that. Genevieve won't let you talk about this stuff at home, so where are you gonna get it out of your system, right? No, but I mean, in all seriousness, I think, because the times when I used to be on that show, I didn't know really what I was talking about. And I made no attempt to learn what I was talking about. I set the bar very low for myself, which was like, I'm gonna try to get a couple of decent jokes off and maybe say something in a way that's kind of coming in from the outsider perspective that might, I don't know, give a different perspective, but in a very, very kind of, I don't know, unserious way, I guess you could say. Which it's shocking. They don't have me back on that show anymore with that level of commitment. But I can understand how you. It's like the city you live in. You really live in the city too. I was thinking about this. I was listening to I told you Chris Hayes show this week. And he was talking to the guy who's in charge of basically like the. I think it's the mta. It's like all of the sort of public transportation in the city of New York, which it turns out is a fairly large operation.
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Andrew Walsh
It is.
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Luke Burbank
You know, there was. This was interesting. He said on the subway now this is believing the stats from the guy who's the head of the mta. If I'm using that right, if that's what the thing he's running. He said that serious crimes, they average, I think it was four to six serious crimes a day on the subway. And they move 4 million people. They move more people in New York City subway system or their transit system than the city of Los Angeles. And what if the city of Los Angeles had four to six serious crimes a day? For perspective on safety of the subway.
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Andrew Walsh
System, they're moving people. That is the equivalent of the entire population of la, not the people who are riding public transpo in la. Yes, the entire population of Los Angeles essentially is riding the subways and public transportation.
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Luke Burbank
And so if you. It's not, you know, they're like it to be zero. Zero serious crimes. But let's imagine a city the size of Los Angeles that has four to six serious crimes a day. That'd be seen as you were doing a pretty good job with the crime. He was kind of pushing back on these like New York Post type narratives that the subway is a hellscape and New York City, etc. Etc. All that is to say, in the interview, Chris was talking about how he takes the subway every single day. And I believe one of his kids now is old enough to take the subway to school. And so he was like, this is not something that I just have a kind of a theoretical or hypothetical thought about. This is my. I do this every single day. It also explains how he is listening to so much tbt because I think, you know, there's just some time where he just has no option other than to go into his phone and listen to something he's downloaded. This guy also announced that they're improving the WI fi in the tunnels so you can do anything. And I was like, cut that off right now.
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Andrew Walsh
No, no, no, no, no, no.
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Luke Burbank
Download a tv, download it, put it in the library, listen to it, load.
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Andrew Walsh
It onto your ipod.
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Luke Burbank
We need. We don't need any competition down there.
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Andrew Walsh
Please sync your ipod to your laptop.
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Luke Burbank
Thank you. But here's my point in all that. When there are topics that come up potentially on the weekend review on Kuow it is your lived experience. You are not peace and love. You're not driving in from Issaquah who's like, you're not a person who spends a minimal amount of time on the mean streets of Aurora and on the E Line and at the baseball games and around town. Like, you, really. So it's very. It makes sense that you. It means a lot to you, and again, you're living it every day. And so I could see you generating a bit of pressure on yourself to just say the exact right thing to kind of fix the problem, which is, of course, an impossible burden.
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Andrew Walsh
Mm. Yeah. And, you know, maybe right now, looking at the show sheet, there aren't a lot of things that I have, like, personal stories about. Like, that's always a very. That's what I like to gravitate towards. And I don't. By the way, it sort of sounds like it's. I'm describing it like a crutch. I actually think it's also what I like to listen to when people are talking about, you know, policies or talking about anything I want to hear. I want to hear it told in kind of like a story. Well, this thing happened to me, right? Like, I'm just sort of drawn to that kind of stuff, and I think that that's when I'm talking. That's what I do best, you know, on this show. The reason I can even do this show with you is because half of it is me just turning a topic into, well, this happened to me at the grocery store, or this happened to me when I was taking my garbage bins out. Oh, shit. I got to go get my garbage bins. Can you hold on a sec? I did forget that they're out there, but, see, realize can't do that on kow. Anyway, I'm looking at the topics. I do think it's been a while since I've been on, and again, the world has changed, and it seems like all of the conversation is going to be a little bit more like kind of, you know, 30,000 stakes level or whatever. The stakes are higher. And if you want to get. Do you want to get real, real splits?
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Luke Burbank
I do.
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Andrew Walsh
I don't like Bill. No, I. One of the topics that we're going to talk about here. And maybe this is good. I'm hesitating to even bring it up here, but maybe this is good. I can kind of get some.
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Luke Burbank
Yeah, let's workshop.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, man. Well, the thing is, I workshopped it with Genevieve at lunch yesterday for a good hour. Like, Veeves And I. We have serious conversations about the world a lot. We're both two people who are relatively plugged in and care deeply about things that happen in our. In our society, in our culture, usually work pretty much in lockstep on everything. Since the election, we have not been. And we have been having an ongoing conversation to varying degrees of intensity. Never nasty, we don't really fight or anything like that, but like, we have been having some very intense conversations regarding whether or not it's the democr. The Democratic Party's fault for going too lefty and too progressive and whether or not, like, it's all of this talk of preferred pronouns and land acknowledgments and everything else that maybe people who aren't maybe at the super far left find a little bit cringy or however they would describe it, or a bit of a insult to them or a distraction there. There's like plenty of evidence that some people just do not like that thing that we've seen sort of come up in our culture in the past, I don't know, decade or so. Right. And I think a lot of people have. This is one thing that I'm going to kind of say is I think almost everybody, even the most progressive amongst us, have had some sort of a conversation with somebody who has kind of like, well, actually you from the left about something or policed your language, and it's left a really bad taste in your mouth, you know, and those are real things. And I understand why that maybe could work on somebody's psyche when they go into the polling booth, the voting booth, but I don't think that that is a fundamental platform of the national Democratic Party is. Is policing pronouns and stuff. I think that that is a. I think that that is a cultural thing that is bubbling up. I think it's part of the zeitgeist. But I don't think it. I don't even think of that necessarily as politics. And so anyway, this conversation that is kind of going on and the hook for this on KUOW would be we' play out between two Washington Congress people, both who represent parts of Seattle. Representative Jaya Paul, who's more progressive, and I would consider myself more like kind of ideologically along her camp. And then Adam Smith, Representative Smith, you know, and he wrote a big thing. I haven't read his.
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Luke Burbank
I read the headline. Yeah.
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Andrew Walsh
And I read the Seattle Times breakdown of him and Congressperson Jayapal kind of meeting and talking about this. But he wrote something, I guess. Was it the New York Times or New Yorker magazine? Basically saying the left has gotten too obsessed with, you know, all of these kind of social issues like pronouns and language policing and, and, you know, like taking down the, the patriarchy and stuff. And he was basically saying, this is why we're losing and we need to back away from that. And while I have two arguments about this, one is I don't think a lot of those conversations are happening at like, kind of governmental level. I think that's more of a cultural thing, whether you like it or not. And the other part of it is, and this is really fundamentally where Genevieve and I, we are both on the exact same page, whereas we are freaking our S out. S stands for shit. We are freaking our shit about the. Speaking of the world right now. But Genevieve is more along the lines of Adam Smith here or like the Atlantic and all of these things. She's reading about how the Democrats ate themselves, basically. And I am feeling the opposite. I feel more radicalized than ever. Like, I feel like I will, I will cede nothing. I will not meet these people in the middle because they, they just keep going further and further and further to the extreme. And with the, with the rise of the far extreme right in this country, I'll be damned if I start like saying, well, I guess we can back off the pronoun conversation a little bit. Like, no, I, I'm.
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Luke Burbank
But don't you want to win the football game? Aren't you running. Aren't you running a quarterback out there who's. Is not successful in the broader context of football games right now? So, I mean, I just don't think that those are winning issues. Right. I don't think it's. Here's, here's what I would say.
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Andrew Walsh
I thought you were being sarcastic. Can you re. Explain what you said? Because I was sort of throw it away.
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Luke Burbank
Okay, here's, here's what I mean. I, I don't think I. First of all, I totally agree with you that the Democrat party, at least at this moment, is not at a high level pushing like the, you know, left of center ideas.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
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Luke Burbank
Like in terms of, you know, trans acceptance and pronouns and, you know, so called DEI stuff like that at the highest levels of the Democrats, they have run away from that stuff since the election.
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Andrew Walsh
But would you say that, like, that was a huge part of Kamala Harris's campaigns on her. But like, do you think the Democrats. No, no, that stuff.
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Luke Burbank
No, I don't think. No, I'm saying I agree with you on this part. I don't think it's. I think you're right. I think it's more of, as they were called, the groups. The critique around it is that the Democrats allowed, like the fact that Kamala Harris, when she was running for president. Okay. Like a while ago, when she, of course, became vice president, there was a point at which I believe she had to or not had to. Maybe she believed this, but there was a point where it would have been within the Democrat Party, politically kind of impossible for her to continue on and as a legit presidential candidate without affirming her support of gender affirming care for undocumented folks who are incarcerated. And that's held up, by the way. I bet you that's literally never happened. I bet you there's been zero times an undocumented person has actually received gender.
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Andrew Walsh
Affirming care in a California prison.
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Luke Burbank
Or I think it might have been Texas, but like, yes, in a prison. It's a totally.
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Andrew Walsh
I thought it was when she was. My misunderstanding that it wasn't when she was ag. Isn't it. Wasn't that the knock on her in California? That's why I said California.
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Luke Burbank
Well, no, this is when she was running for president. So she's one of the. I think she's a senator at this point.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
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Luke Burbank
And she's running for president.
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Andrew Walsh
Well, she's a vp. Yeah.
- [29:09]
Luke Burbank
Well, she started out running for president.
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Andrew Walsh
I'm sorry. This is what I'm misunderstanding. I'm sorry. You're. You're talking the previous cycle. Okay. Sorry.
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Luke Burbank
Yeah.
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Andrew Walsh
And by the way, I wasn't trying to argue with you. I was trying to keep it straight because I kept on hearing commercials in this latest one where I thought they were. I thought they were attacking her, something she did as AG in California that had probably that gender affirming care. I wasn't trying to dismiss what you're saying. I was truly trying to understand.
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Luke Burbank
Totally. And it is confusing because she ran for president but then became vice president, but then ran for president. Yes.
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Andrew Walsh
And the attack.
- [29:38]
Luke Burbank
The attack ads are so. They were so misleading and horribly bad faith. It's like it's all a disaster. But all I'm trying to say with this is, is that I feel like I kind of see both sides. I am the most interesting person in this because I both hear what you're saying and hear what Genevieve is saying. And I don't know. I don't really understand. I don't have a clear opinion myself because, I mean, held. Well, let me put this way. When we. After the most recent election happened, I think I was the One saying the next day we don't let go of anybody's hand. So that is, that was a strong statement for. We can't throw, we can't throw folks out of this, you know, whatever metaphor you want to use. We can't throw people over the side of this boat because, you know, and the other thing I would say is, let's just say that there had been no. Oh, sorry. The thing about the groups, the groups was this idea that you had, you had, you know, groups like political groups, but although they were more like, you know, they were pushing for various forms of acceptance and equality and inclusion and that those groups kind of. They didn't necessarily represent, let's just say, a huge swath. They were, they were pretty, they were pretty far to the edge of what the consensus would be, but they were really getting into the heads of the people that are running the party, the Democrat party. And so the Democrats ended up getting themselves out there on some issues that were not in step with like the quote, unquote, average American. In other words, supporting a particular thing, like the Kamala Harris idea that I was saying about the undocumented folks that, like that if you took 100Americans and asked them, should we be doing that? It'd be pretty unpopular with a significant portion of them as an idea and that. So you're right, it's not a political thing. But that those groups of folks that were, they were, they all had one issue. They were like, we're working for trans acceptance, we're working for this. And they, they got to drive some of the, some of the way that the people in office talked about this stuff in a way that got them unintentionally out of step with like the quote, unquote, average American, whatever that means. Here's what I would say, though. Let's say they didn't do that. The Republicans would have found something else to completely like, like, like if, if the Democrats didn't maybe step in it. And occasionally the Republicans would find something else and they would put a bunch of Coke money behind it and they would make it a thing like, like that's like saying that John Kerry shouldn't have served in Vietnam because they're going to swift boat him. In other words, if this idea is that if the Democrats stop advocating for trans rights, the Republicans will go, oh, our bad. And they'll just like back away is a total. It's the silliest thing of all time. They'll find something else. They will just find something. And then they will just Hammer it, they will feed it to Fox News. They will make a bunch of people believe it's a real thing. So that's an argument on your side of things, in my opinion, which is like, it's not about being overly progressive. Because even if all the progressives just like, just said, okay, fine, Wolf's race right to the middle, it doesn't mean the Republicans stop doing what they're doing, which is demonizing people and othering people and all of that stuff. So I guess I ultimately come down on your side of it, but I, but because I'm also freaking out, I have this thought that creeps into my head sometimes, which was like, yeah, did, did the Democrats leave an opening for the Republicans by, by, you know, Kamala Harris at one time supporting this notion of gender affirming care for undocumented people who are in jail?
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah. You know, you said something still pretty broadly. But that helps me understand, I think, what Genevieve is trying to explain to me. But I think that, like, she doesn't have specific examples, but like this, it's almost, it's almost boring the way I'm thinking about it for something that is really not boring. But I'm missing the argumentative link that I think you maybe just sort of explained a little bit between and the. I'm not saying these are my words, but like the quote unquote annoying Gen Z or at work or something who's like, who you feel like you just can't win with because, you know, if you, whatever, let's just call it like language policing in some way. That sort of seems to be something. And I think I've just heard stories about that from people who are like, very, very progressive, just seemingly like, yeah, but there's one person, like, I just can't, I can't work with them because, like, everything I do is triggering to them or, you know, and we've even seen some people sort of, I do believe, weaponize the good faith of people who do care about identity and that type of thing. So let's just say that you have a bad experience with that, with somebody like at your workplace or in your life or just even you just see it in pop culture and you find it annoying. I've just been saying, yeah, but I don't think that that's what the Democrats have been embracing. Like, I didn't see that in Kamala's campaign. I saw it sort of her past decisions and statements maybe used against her during different times of her career and running for president. I saw just so Many of those Trump commercials that were like, I thought, like, like, I don't need a next door to hate speech practically, like just like awful, awful stuff.
- [34:33]
Luke Burbank
Yeah.
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Andrew Walsh
And. But what did I see Kamala Harris's campaign do? Saying things like, well, we're gonna get Liz Cheney on our side and we're going to promise to appoint a Republican to the.
- [34:44]
Luke Burbank
We're gonna get tough at the border.
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Andrew Walsh
We're gonna get tough at the border. We're gonna appoint a Republican somewhere on the Cabinet, like, making all these concessions, which I was fine with at the time, like, whatever. I just wanted her to get into office. And that all seems reasonable. I wish we could be reasonable. But then you see a loss like that.
- [35:02]
Luke Burbank
Yeah.
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Andrew Walsh
And ironically, I still think that racism and sexism had to do with that loss. I still wonder if. I think I asked you this one time. I don't know if you agreed, but I can't help but wonder if all of the Kamala Harris stuff was exactly the same. Only was Tim Waltz. If it was Tim Waltz, who had once run before and lost, but then got the vice presidency and then took over the campaign for Biden near the end, would Tim Waltz be in office? And like, part of me thinks yes, because he was like a very relatable middle aged white guy. And so I do. I mean, the irony of this conversation is we're both like, sort of talking about, like, well, how much can the Democrats survive while platforming things that are issues in our country that we need to deal with, like sexism and racism. But I also think that it was sexism and racism that sort of led at least partially to this particular loss. I am obviously all over the place with this, but I just kept on looking for that link between, like, the, the far left person that you kind of find annoying who's like, you can't, you know, who's making you feel like you can't say anything anymore and how that connects to the campaign that lost the presidency. And that's the missing link I'm looking for. And I feel like I, I have been acting, and maybe this is why Genevieve is frustrated with me, is because I've been acting like that link doesn't exist. And maybe it does and I'm just not well read.
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Luke Burbank
Oh, that's so funny. Because I had arrived at the exact opposite conclusion based on what you said. I mean, this really, seriously, like, I think you're bringing up a pretty good point. I think there is the world of. I'm just gonna call it wokeness.
- [36:32]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, that's Actually, there's the world of.
- [36:34]
Luke Burbank
Wokeness and then there's the certainly Kamala Harris. And, you know, I think for obvious reasons, as a woman of color, she was already, you know, like, prejudged by a section of the American population as being some sort of a thing and had to. In the way that, like, Barack Obama also had to be really, really, really careful about how he was coming off because he couldn't play into these horrible racist notions about a black man. I think Kamala Harris was, you know, was. Was to the way to the right of, like, maybe not really what Biden was saying, but definitely, like, I don't think anybody could accused Kamala Harris of running a WOKE campaign. This is a good point. I think that there. And I. And I. I honestly think you might have also. You might have also, like, really connected something in my brain, which is like, yeah, when particularly if you're of a certain age, as I am, and you find yourself in a moment where you just kind of don't, like, you feel like you're trying to do the quote, unquote right thing, like in a conversation with someone who might be younger or, you know, different than you in some way, and you think, like, I'm one of the good guys and you're trying. You're trying your hardest. And like you said, it feels like you can't quite ever get it right. And you're like, you're somehow doing this wrong. Even though you think you're really trying your hardest, that has a really big impact on you and how you think about things. And I think there's a lot of people walking around with like, a couple of bad experiences in their back pocket who think that, like, and then connect that to the idea of wokeness. But you're right. I actually think, despite that Kamala Harris thing I brought up, because again, I don't know how many people that was even on the radio.
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Andrew Walsh
I don't.
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Luke Burbank
It wasn't the people in my neighborhood who are pulling giant flags beyond their trucks. I promise you, they don't know that that was Kamala Harris's opinion on that hyper specific thing. In other words, I think you. I think you might have a good point, and maybe this is a good way for you to talk about it on the. On the show is like, what you've been saying, basically, which is there's this. There's this world of progressive ideas that people are certainly advocating for, and then there's what the vast majority of Democrat, you know, candidates and politicians are saying, and it's very down the middle. In fact, here's another thing. You know who's very popular? Alexandra Ocasio Cortez.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
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Luke Burbank
She's pulling zero punches.
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Andrew Walsh
That's what I was sort of saying to, you know, if it's a losing.
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Luke Burbank
Strategy, how is she still elected?
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Andrew Walsh
That's. And I don't know what her. You know, I don't know what her polling numbers look like. And obviously, she represents. She. Is she Brooklyn or the Bronx? I actually can't really remember. I don't know if, you know, or if that's a dumb question.
- [39:09]
Luke Burbank
I'm off top of my head.
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Andrew Walsh
But she represents a. You know what I mean? Like, she represents her constituency, which is very solidly blue. It's going to be a little bit different than, like, Toledo, I'm guessing, or the area outside of Toledo or whatever. So. Yeah, but that's sort of what I said to Genevieve. I'm like, I thought. I kind of thought that, like, kind of progressives like us, maybe, like, gesturing to her and me would be, like, thinking, yeah, this is like, the AOC is the future of the party. Because, like, she's just like. She's not. She's not coding her language. She's. Now, she's not going around engaging in, like, maybe some of the corrective, you know, like, talk that I'm trying to describe of people who are maybe, like, again, like, kind of leaning into quote, unquote wokeness in a way that some people find unpalatable. She's just a straight shooter, you know.
- [39:56]
Luke Burbank
She just seems to me.
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Andrew Walsh
And I'm like, maybe that I was hoping that we would sort of bandy over about this idea of, look what happened when we tried to cede the middle or try to, like, just be so desperate to, like, just court. How about we just court those of us who truly believe. I think one thing, that now I'm getting a little bit too personal, maybe, and I shouldn't be bringing this up on the air, but, like, I do think that I'm. When I have the conversation with Genevieve, I think I fall into a little bit of. I think smugness is the wrong word, but I think I probably sound like I'm taking a moral high ground because it's hard for me when I'm getting somewhat, like, emotional about it, to not feel like I'm accusing her of selling out, you know, which is like a really caring. Really. Yeah. That's a really insulting thing to say to somebody who is just saying, listen, I will do anything to get the Nazis out of office. Like, she's just like, I will do any of that. And I think maybe that's what you were saying about the football game. Like, well, don't you want to win? Well, right, yeah, yeah.
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Luke Burbank
So, like, you want to win or be right? But again, I don't know the answer to that question really.
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Andrew Walsh
And I guess I just kind of keep coming back to. And again, this can be a little bit obnoxious. And I've probably said this too much to Genevieve, which is probably insulting, but I just keep saying, like, my opinion on any of these things have not changed. Like, they didn't change in November and they didn't change in January. Like, I think that, like, I mean, I don't want to, I kind of don't want to challenge you to do this, but I, like, I don't think that you and I have had a lot of off air conversations that don't reflect my on air personality too. I mean, there might be certain things that I'd say. I would like to avoid this because I know that it's going to be very upsetting for some listeners or whatever. But, like, I don't think that, like, I'm going about representing myself in one way. And then when Adam Smith says we lost the, I guess, like, and again, this is such an immature way of looking at it. But I read this article and it's, Adam Smith is like, we're too woke. Not his quote, but I think that's a good summary. We're too woke and be like, okay, Adam Smith, what do you want me, a voter in North Seattle, to do about that? You want me just to stop caring? You want me to start ignoring people's preferred pronoun? Like, what do you want from me? What am I? You know what I mean?
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Luke Burbank
And also, and what is your strategy, Adam Smith, going forward? Is it we just go, you know, women shouldn't have bodily autonomy. And also we should make it illegal for someone to use the pronouns they want. Like, what do you. How do you. Because again, here's the thing. There's nothing that the Dem that I can think of, there's nothing the Democrat party can do to unwoke themselves that will then cause the Republicans to go, all right, good point. We're walking away. Yeah, you know, I mean, that's the thing, like the flawed premise of it to me is the idea that if the Democrats just take a hard look at themselves and if they just, just, if they just stopped, you know, like you said, caring too much or, or, or, or like looking for ways to support people who. Who are marginalized. And if we just, like, if we just stop doing that, then a bunch of people are going to flock to us because they're going to be like, oh, you know, you guys are great because you're not, like, trying to help support, you know, marginalized folks or whatever. But the problem is, most people would never make that connection, even if you were doing it, you know, like, how's that word gonna spread? And how are you. How are you gonna get that message out? Forget the moral question from a practical question. How are you gonna get that out to the public so that they, what, suddenly start voting? I mean, this is what I think about the votes. First of all, again, I think your strongest point is, like, how'd that work for the presidential election? Based on Kamala Harris's first of all, picking of Tim Waltz? You think that wasn't a very, like, intentional, like, let's folks. Let's folksy this up. And I was there. I was. You know, I was drinking every bit of Kool Aid they would give me.
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Andrew Walsh
But like, a hunter, an outdoorsman.
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Luke Burbank
Exactly. I mean, there was, like, people with the camo, you know, Harris Waltz hats. I was here for all of it. But, like. But, like, the. The problem with the argument that the Democrats got too woke and that's why they lost is that if you. Like you said, if you actually listen to anything Kamala Harris said at any of the stump speeches, it was incredibly parsed so as to not be woke, because the whole fear was it's going to be too woke. So that's. I mean, to me, your strongest argument is like, basically, that's what happened in this last presidential election, and it didn't seem to work out so well. You had somebody that was running very much to the center. I mean, her whole thing was like, we got to get tough at the border. I mean, it sounded a lot of times like a Republican playbook.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah. Yeah. And that is. Well, thanks. You know, that is my point. And like, I say, like, maybe kind of describing as that missing link between the woke culture and the actual Democratic platform, especially, like, on the federal level or the presidential level. Like, I just don't see it. And again, everything I'm saying is also coming from a place of just, like, just bottomless despair and fear and anger.
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Luke Burbank
And that's what I think. That's the big challenge around this conversation for everybody. Is any of us that have a brain, whatever part of the spectrum we're in, the sort of, like, let's just say The Democrat party or whatever, we're terrified. And that amps the whole thing up because it feels existential. It doesn't just feel like, well, we disagree about, like, how we should fund the road construction or whatever. It feels like the country might not exist or certainly American democracy might not exist pretty soon. And so when. When that's going on, when you're in, like, the whole. The hold of a ship and ice cold water is pouring in and you're trying to figure out how to plug it up and two people have two different ideas about how to patch it up, it's not a chill conversation.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, right.
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Luke Burbank
Like, we're gonna die in here.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah.
- [45:44]
Luke Burbank
So. So that's. That's just. That's. That's. That's adding to. I think that's adding to everybody's just, like, total, like, brittleness.
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Andrew Walsh
Yes, yes. And. And to answer your question, that's my man.
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Luke Burbank
You son of a gun. That was my power out, I was going to say. So what I'm taking from this is you've got big weekend plans. Let's thank some donors who just paid for that. We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set, get set now. Ready, ready, go. Everybody rattle dazzle. All right, let's thank some dazzling donors indeed who are making TBTL possible with their dazzling donation of dough. This is a. As the world burns around us, this is a minor miracle that there are people who are prioritizing, you know, TBTL as part of their monthly budget. And we so appreciate it. I like. I really like getting to do this for my job. I am not capable of anything else, so please, please, please let me keep doing this. Our friend, Kristen Zucked. Oh, I guess the T is sound. I'm learning so much. So I guess it's like it rhymes with book. So it's Kristen Zook.
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Andrew Walsh
What a good pronouncer.
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Luke Burbank
Sorry.
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Andrew Walsh
And also sorry for calling you by the wrong last name, for I've been.
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Luke Burbank
Doing that for years. Even though Kristen was one of a small, hearty crew of people that picked us up at the bus terminal in Kansas City.
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Andrew Walsh
That's right. I believe. Led the charge on that. I believe.
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Luke Burbank
Thank you, Kristen. Kristen, we appreciate you. Kristen is, of course, in Kansas City, Missouri, and says, hi, friendos. It's me. Longtime listener, one time bus station picker, upper er, first time dazzler Kristen in Kansas City. I do not have any deets to dazzle you with. So I just want to say thanks for helping cure global loneliness. What you do is so important. Thanks, Kristen. Now I feel bad about the fact that I was rooting for the Eagles.
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Andrew Walsh
You know, I. When I'm not rooting for the Mariners, I root for the Royals. And I wasn't even.
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Luke Burbank
And I know Kristen is a Royals head. I want to say this could be the Mandela effect. Kristen, get at me. I think Kristen might have been wearing like, a Royals T shirt or some such when we were picked up. So that could be totally, like 100% an implanted memory. But. But yeah, I, I. For. For every bit of mistrust. Not mistrust. For every bit of sort of skepticism I had around the Kansas City Chiefs at the end of the football season, I put the exact opposite of that into the Kansas City Royals. We love them.
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Andrew Walsh
We do. In fact. I know, like, I have they bedeviled.
- [48:25]
Luke Burbank
The Mariners last year.
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Andrew Walsh
They did. Do you remember when they came from. The Mariners got 10 runs on them in the first inning of a game and the Mariners lost and Rose came back. But honestly, there are a few teams that I wouldn't be devastated by that happening to. And the Royals is one of them. We have Listener Jamie, Listener Taylor. We have a lot of Royals fans in our audience, and it's really turning me a bit into a bit of a Royals head.
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Luke Burbank
Yeah. And they've got, like, a fun team, too. We love Bobby Witt Jr. I remember when Bobby Witt's dad was pitching.
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Andrew Walsh
Oh, really?
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Luke Burbank
In the majors. That's. That's. And then Salvador Perez just, like, would just. He just victimized us. I felt like. And I don't think he's.
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Andrew Walsh
He always has our number, but I.
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Luke Burbank
Love that he's got some kind of a. Like, I feel like last year. Sorry, Kristen, I know this is not what you asked for, but I feel.
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Andrew Walsh
Like you wore the hat. You wore the Royals hat.
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Luke Burbank
Exactly. You wore. You did or did not wear something Royals related when you picked us up from the bus station and then donated a bunch of money to us.
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Andrew Walsh
So you.
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Luke Burbank
I feel like Perez had some crazy stat last year where he was just like, it was a classic. He's a catcher, right? I think he's a catcher.
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Andrew Walsh
Well, he's a catcher. But you want to know my little secret of my draft is he also plays first base. And I drafted him as a first baseman. I have him in my 1B, 3B. People were wondering.
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Luke Burbank
I can't remember. You know, it might have been somebody else. I might be misremembering. I feel like. Yeah, because I guess he hit.271, which is actually decent for.
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Andrew Walsh
That's his average last year, his 20.
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Luke Burbank
24 stats where he hit.271. I'm thinking of somebody else maybe with a similar last name. There was somebody else who last year, and probably not even a royal, but was just like a catcher who. I remember one of the announcers talking about what a tough year this person was having. And then I just feel like they just went off on the marriage.
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Andrew Walsh
I vaguely remember you talking about this on the text chain.
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Luke Burbank
Killed me. Just killed me, like. And the thing I was about to go. Go off on or whatever, the tangent I was gonna go off on is that there's an interesting thing where if you're a good catcher, like, catcher is one of those positions. It's so vital to the game. Like, if you're good at game management, if you're good at working with the pitchers, you can get away with being pretty bad on offense for a pretty long time if they think your value as far as catching the game, you know, makes it worth it. It's one of the only positions like that where you can just be so good at catching that we kind of don't even expect you to hit very much.
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Andrew Walsh
That's why there are very few, like, catchers who are, like, I would. I would say Cal Raleigh and Real Muto. Who is, I'm trying to remember is he Braves. I maybe am getting that wr. But like, he was actually a catcher who can steal bases. He's still playing. He can steal bases. That's crazy. There's, like, only a handful of, like, catchers in the league who are, like, stars, and those are the three that come to mind.
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Luke Burbank
Yeah. Back in the day, it was like, Mike Piazza and Pudge Rodriguez and you had a few. A few catchers that were, like, so, so good offensively that you actually knew their name. But generally it's a very yeoman like position. Kristen, thank you so much for supporting the show. What you do is so important and we appreciate it. Maestro, on your mark. On your mark. Get set, get set now. Ready, Ready, Go. It's Mike Duncan in Columbia, South Carolina. Hey there, business boys. Mike says it feels nice to be called a business boy.
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Andrew Walsh
I know. I like it.
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Luke Burbank
Yeah. That's awesome. It's time to dazzle again already. What can I say? First, I'll just take a moment to say thanks for another year of quality shows. Nothing makes life more bearable than a daily dose of tbtl. Luke and Andrew are truly irreplaceable. I can't even say that word. It's so hard for me to wrap my mind around.
- [52:05]
Andrew Walsh
We'll replace you with somebody who can.
- [52:06]
Luke Burbank
Thank you. Luke and Andrew are truly error play so ball. Unless Genevieve is available or Nick Jaran.
- [52:13]
Andrew Walsh
Or P. Fletch or Susie B. Oh, wow.
- [52:15]
Luke Burbank
Huh. All right.
- [52:16]
Andrew Walsh
Okay.
- [52:16]
Luke Burbank
Interesting. Thanks, Mike. I can't argue with any of that, but it still hurts to hear.
- [52:21]
Andrew Walsh
I know mostly you were in the crosshairs there, but. No, I didn't. I didn't come out unscathed, Luke.
- [52:26]
Luke Burbank
And I mean, honestly, what I see is a path forward.
- [52:29]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
- [52:30]
Luke Burbank
Involving Genevieve, Nick, P. Fletch and my mom somehow doing a kind of four person round table each day. That'd be a good show. My mom would work for almost nothing. My mom would work for peanuts. If you matched. I don't know what she makes on. On buying. Picking up knickknacks at garage sales and then trying to return them to the real store saying she bought. I don't know how much she's making off of that hustle right now, but I bet you we could match that.
- [52:56]
Andrew Walsh
That might even be the first topic.
- [53:00]
Luke Burbank
Second, I'd like to give a shout out to my 10 friends, Pat and Maureen and their wonderful new five, Georgia. Cute.
- [53:07]
Andrew Walsh
Congratulations.
- [53:09]
Luke Burbank
Congrats. Lastly, look at this. Andrew. Boy, this is. I don't know if you did this on purpose or what, but there is a real. There's a yin and a yang to this. A big congrats to the Super Bowl 59 champs, the Philadelphia Eagles.
- [53:24]
Andrew Walsh
I did not do that on purpose. I didn't even have a chance to.
- [53:26]
Luke Burbank
Look ahead on this editor's note. I'm writing this two weeks before the super bowl, but hopefully it holds true. Oh, my gosh dang, Mike, good. I hope you hammered that bet, bro.
- [53:37]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
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Luke Burbank
Be paying for this dazzling donor thing on. On, you know, DraftKings money. Cheers and much love from listener Mike. Well, thank you, Mike. We really do appreciate you and Hardy. Go Birds.
- [53:57]
Andrew Walsh
Well, Luke, how long have you.
- [53:58]
Luke Burbank
How long have you had this questionable lawn jockey in your family, Andrew? And why are you bringing it here?
- [54:04]
Andrew Walsh
I was about to say that music can only mean one thing, and it's that we couldn't afford the Antiques Roadshow official fee.
- [54:11]
Luke Burbank
We sat next to it and we studied it.
- [54:14]
Andrew Walsh
This, as longtime listeners of the show know, is the theme song to the TBTL community calendar, where we share with you some of the things that tens are organizing in the community that you might want to Take, take part in. We have a note from Annie here, who organized a volunteer weekend a few weeks ago at Food Lifeline. Yes, but here I'm gonna read Annie's note because I guess it went to. It went so well that we're going to do it again. And Annie says, I'm hoping you can help spread the word to the TENS about the next opportunity to volunteer at Food Lifeline. We had a blast doing it back in March and the consensus was it would be a great thing to do on a somewhat regular basis. So come hang out with fellow tens and give back to the greater Seattle community by volunteering at Food Lifeline in Seattle's south park neighborhood on Saturday, May 31st. Mark that down. Saturday, May 31st, 9 to 11am we're going to be sorting and repacking nutritious food to feed our neighbors who may be experiencing food insecurity. Back in March, we had 19, 19 tens and 11 show up to repack and sort over 2,600 pounds of rice in about an hour and a half. So you do have to sign up in advance so you can look for the Food Lifelines volunteer program. And instead of giving out this complicated URL, I'm just going to say email Annie for more details. If you need them at tbtl10s give back@gmail.com. that's all one word. TBTL Tens spelled out T E N S TBTL 10s give back@gmail.com and find out how you can sign up. You do have to sign up in advance, but man, can't really ask for a more kind of solid mission there for. Absolutely.
- [56:02]
Luke Burbank
To give back to the community now more than ever. And I really mean that.
- [56:04]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. I'm sorry, Luke. I didn't mean to know.
- [56:07]
Luke Burbank
Please. I can't get enough.
- [56:08]
Andrew Walsh
Nothing, nothing stops this music. Nothing. I love it. I'm sorry, I thought you were. Thought I was hitting at the right time there. Okay. Also got this note from our friend Sierra in Cincinnati who says several months ago I started a TENS shop small channel on the TBTL Stens Slack page. I think people know about the Slack page. If you haven't engaged with that yet, you can find a link to it@tbtl.net Go to the contact page and you'll see all of our social stuff there. And Sierra said the Tens Helping 10s website isn't active anymore. So I thought it would be awesome. Awesome to start a new space where TENS can make posts about their small businesses and other tens can support them. Right now I know A lot of us are searching for ways to help each other or help communities that are being negatively affected by the current administration. And putting economic power behind each other's small businesses is a very practical way. We can all make a difference. So Sierra has created this over at the Slack page. Go ahead and look for tens shop small over on Slack and certainly like if you have a little business, if you're looking for attention, this is a community that is really eager to support you. Yes, if you're looking for attention. Thanks for putting that together, Sierra. And finally, one last note here. This is by the TBTL Book Club. The TBTL Book Club will meet again in May. Not Mother's Day weekend, but details to come. So we don't have an actual date yet. I didn't realize that before I put this in the community calendar. Big part of the community calendar is having a calendar date on it, I guess. Sorry. If you could alert the TENS to our chosen book. Oh, that's why it's important. Even if we don't have a date of a meeting yet. Let's start reading the book early. I'm not sure I'm. Wow. I should pre read these. I'm not entirely sure I'm comfortable promoting this. But let's see. You might have heard of the book. It's called Sirens Call by TBTL senior Bidet correspondent Chris Hayes.
- [58:05]
Luke Burbank
Hasn't he gotten enough attention on this program over the years? I mean, what is it going to be like a New York Times international bestseller? I mean, what are the higher heights that this book can soar to off of our, off of our toiling, our labor, our fan base?
- [58:22]
Andrew Walsh
We give and we give and we give, you know, so let's see here. Chris Hayes. Perfect opportunity for the TENS to come to the zoom and share what TBTL drop inspired inscriptions he wrote in their book. So Chris was signing copies of Sirens Call and if he knew somebody was a 10, he was putting like a drop, an audio drop or inside joke. So anyway, it does say thanks for the announcements that you guys shouted out about book club last week because we did get a lot of new faces joining. So once again, and you know what? I think it's. I think and I'm embarrassed. I think it's Celia or Cecilia, I can't remember. But I can put you in contact if I'm leaving anything out here. You can email me andrewbtl.net and I'll make sure that any questions get to the right place.
- [59:06]
Luke Burbank
And my guess also is that if you have questions about any of this and you jump. And one were to jump on the Stens page over there on Facebook or the Slack channel.
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Andrew Walsh
Yes.
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Luke Burbank
Just a quick post of saying, hey, does anybody know how to get to this volunteer opportunity or this book club or whatever? And I bet you somebody will get you routed instantaneously. So if there's anything you need clarification on, head on over there. And that drives engagement, Andrew.
- [59:30]
Andrew Walsh
Engagement is about attention, and it's about the attention economy.
- [59:34]
Luke Burbank
It sure is.
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Andrew Walsh
It is. Cecilia, by the way, I did want to. I just feel bad about that. I want to clean that up. It wasn't. It's. Cecilia is the person who's been organizing this. Thank you.
- [59:42]
Luke Burbank
Thank you, Cecilia, for doing that. And thanks, you know, we. Again, I don't want to keep having business boys meetings and then just like airing out the business boys business on the show. But, like, you know, we are very, very aware of the fact that everybody's having to make tough decisions around, you know, kind of how to support causes and things that are important now and that are being defunded, that are under fire and are. And I know not everything we just read is necessarily particular social cause, but just, you know, the idea that we can get out and volunteer and help, you know, like sort food or, you know, just try to take care of each other and that the TBT community is doing that, it really does my heart good. And then the community part of it of like a book club where it's like, like just going to get together and see some friendly faces on a zoom and you're going to like, get to talk about kind of how something struck you in a book and you're going to hear their thoughts on it, like, what a good thing. And there's not enough good stuff happening. So, yeah, I appreciate everybody for. For helping out.
- [60:41]
Andrew Walsh
Absolutely. So there you go. That's the second installment of the I.
- [60:45]
Luke Burbank
Love it honestly community calendar. Kind of like the no point. I'm sort of here for the theme music.
- [60:52]
Andrew Walsh
Like, I'll kind of the Blurs days. I'm here for the theme music.
- [60:55]
Luke Burbank
I mean, seriously. That's true. I'm not tired of that song yet.
- [60:58]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
- [60:59]
Luke Burbank
Okay, listen, I'm. I apologize. I actually, I want to apologize because we did not get to the voicemails that I promoted at the beginning of the show. But the good news is we will play those very soon at some point, and they're good ones. We need to. Well, I don't want to preview them because I don't want to give away any of the fun, but we do need to play them sooner rather than later. And we will do that. But for today and for this broadcast week, we have arrived at the end of the line. So thank you so much for spending this time with us. We're gonna be back here on Monday. I will be in New York City, so we will. I'll be checking in from there, I'm sure with lots of big weekend plans or big weekend events or something.
- [61:36]
Andrew Walsh
Be careful on that subway system. I've heard stories.
- [61:38]
Luke Burbank
Oh, God. Pizza rat. All kinds of crazy stuff happening. All right, we'll see you Monday. In the meantime, have a great weekend. Take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall.
- [61:46]
Andrew Walsh
And good luck to all. Power out.