#4429 I’m Bada-Booming Here!

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL Episode #4429 - “I’m Bada-Booming Here!”

Introduction and Host Banter

In episode #4429 of "TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live," hosts Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh kick off with their characteristic friendly banter. The episode begins with Luke revealing a nostalgic desire to form a band, reminiscing about his high school drumming days and his previous band, "Myself." Andrew contributes with his own unique percussive solo project, showcasing their long-standing friendship and mutual support (00:00).

New York City Adventures and Broadway Insights

Luke shares his recent trip to Midtown Manhattan, strategically positioned between Times Square and the Hudson River. Excited about participating in the collector’s series, he details his experience attempting to secure tickets for the Broadway production of "Glengarry Glen Ross." The high cost of $800 per ticket shocks him, leading to a discussion on the rising prices of Broadway shows (01:30). Luke humorously laments the expense, stating, “The tickets to Glengarry Glen Ross are not cheap,” highlighting the challenges faced by theater enthusiasts in New York City (40:30).

Sports and Streaming Struggles

A significant portion of the episode delves into the complexities of watching Mariners games amidst evolving streaming services. Luke and Andrew discuss the transition from traditional cable to streaming platforms like FuboTV and the introduction of Root Sports' new streaming app. Issues such as blackouts, geofencing, and the necessity of additional subscriptions are explored in depth. Andrew articulates his frustration, saying, “We are one of [a few] markets where there's no way to watch the game without paying a private company,” emphasizing the financial and logistical hurdles for dedicated fans (46:23, 50:27).

PEZ Dispenser Museum and Collector Insights

Luke reveals his upcoming interviews at the PEZ Dispenser Museum in Orange, Connecticut, and with a prominent PEZ collector in Caldwell, New Jersey. He humorously critiques the quality of PEZ candy, “PEZ candy is actually kind of trash,” while expressing genuine excitement about delving into the world of PEZ collectibles. Andrew engages by asking insightful questions about missing years in PEZ dispenser releases, prompting Luke to commit to uncovering these mysteries during his museum visit (24:56, 26:10).

Listener Interactions and Community Support

The hosts take time to acknowledge and thank their listeners, spotlighting Kelly Nilsen, a supporter with her own financial planning business, Braava Financial LLC. Luke shares a heartfelt message inspired by Muhammad Ali’s poem “Me We,” reflecting on the importance of community and interconnectedness. Andrew highlights the creation of a dedicated Slack channel for TBTL small business owners, fostering a supportive network among listeners (33:20, 34:12).

Humorous Call-In and Sound Effects

Listeners like Lisa Claus from Westchester join in with humorous sound effects, adding a playful dynamic to the episode. The hosts engage in light-hearted banter about sound machines and digital footprints, maintaining the show’s engaging and relaxed atmosphere (36:04, 36:15).

Highlighting the Liberty University Basketball Coach’s Hairline

A standout segment involves a critical and humorous analysis of Liberty University basketball coach Richie McKay’s recent hairdo. The hosts dissect his unconventional hairstyle, drawing parallels to NBA player Carlos Boozer’s infamous hair incident. Luke empathizes with McKay’s insecurities, saying, “I feel bad for this guy because I know exactly the thought process,” while Andrew adds, “This is real paint your bald spot territory,” highlighting the societal pressures on appearances, especially in high-visibility roles (65:18, 72:44).

Concluding Thoughts and Final Banter

As the episode wraps up, Luke and Andrew reflect on their personal grooming habits and insecurities, ending with a humorous exchange about bald spots and sound effects. Andrew shares updates on their streaming struggles, while Luke promises to provide more insights into his PEZ adventures in future episodes, leaving listeners eagerly anticipating what’s next (78:42, 79:27).

Notable Quotes:

• Luke Burbank (00:00): “We’re cleaning out the garage to make it a rehearsal space. We’re starting a band.”
• Andrew Walsh (01:17): “Bada boom. You are in business with a couple glue sniffing squish heads.”
• Luke Burbank (04:04): “The stuff that kind of sticks to the wall from this show... it’s always got to be something that at the time, we don’t identify it as being in any way durable.”
• Andrew Walsh (08:22): “How much will I pay for it?”
• Luke Burbank (12:27): “But it never occurred to me to just put it on, like, some kind of a creamy Havarti cheese.”
• Andrew Walsh (30:11): “They don't want to play the sympathy card.”
• Luke Burbank (34:35): “I didn’t realize that that guy had passed away.”
• Andrew Walsh (46:24): “This is real paint your bald spot territory.”
• Luke Burbank (65:18): “Use wisdom when painting your bald spots.”

Conclusion

Episode #4429 of "TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live" seamlessly intertwines personal anecdotes, community engagement, and topical discussions, all delivered with wit and camaraderie. From tackling the high costs of Broadway to navigating the murky waters of sports streaming services, Luke and Andrew provide listeners with a rich and engaging narrative. Their exploration of niche interests like PEZ dispensers and heartfelt connections with their audience further enhance the episode's depth. Whether dissecting the latest in sports technology or sharing humorous takes on personal grooming, this episode exemplifies the show's unique blend of humor, insight, and genuine friendship.

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Timestamp Guide:

• 00:00 – Band Formation Discussion
• 01:17 – “Bada Boom” Catchphrase Introduction
• 04:04 – Discussing Organic Show Elements
• 08:22 – Mustard and Cheese Banter
• 12:27 – Culinary Creativity with Mustard
• 30:11 – Public Radio Fundraising Conversation
• 34:35 – Tribute to Roy Ayers and Brenton Wood
• 46:24 – Streaming and T-Mobile Discussion
• 65:18 – Liberty Basketball Hairline Segment
• 72:44 – Carlos Boozer Hair Incident Comparison
• 78:42 – Final Banter on Bald Spots
• 79:27 – Closing Remarks on Hair and Sound Effects

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Feel free to reference specific segments or quotes as needed, and tune in to future episodes for more engaging discussions and humorous exchanges!

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

What are you doing? We're cleaning out the garage to make it a rehearsal space. We're starting a band. For a band? Yeah. I used to play drums in high school. Cool.

[Andrew Walsh]

Really?

[Luke Burbank]

I was in a band myself. Oh yeah? What was it called? The band was called Myself.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was a sort of solo percussive.

[Luke Burbank]

Group, you know, Jembe, Narimba, conga, bongo.

[Andrew Walsh]

Timbale, you know, just like.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And you played all of those yourself? I played all of them myself. Wow.

[Andrew Walsh]

The Big Fork Daily called it really very weird.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, that's great. Congrats. Yeah, congratulations.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, tbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm gonna suggest that we have a little constructive talking time. Not long at all. I mean, maybe 10 minutes or. Okay. Or maybe 15 is also good.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm not trying to be disrespectful or.

[Luke Burbank]

Anything, but I kind of feel like you're winging this and it's going bad. They sound unfreaking incredible together.

[Andrew Walsh]

Bada boom. You are in business with a couple glue sniffing squish heads. I don't even care how this turns out because I'm just gonna eat hot dogs and so that's all I really care. Well, all right.

[Luke Burbank]

Hello, good morning and welcome everyone to a Monday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Andrew Walsh]

This song goes out to all the coffee lovers of the world.

[Luke Burbank]

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is where the good times happen.

[Luke Burbank]

Coming to you from midtown Manhattan, snugged between Times Square and the Hudson River. New York City. That's right. We're in New York City this week, baby. Very excited to be bringing you episode 4429 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Being that I'm right here on the edge of the Broadway theater district, I thought, well, maybe I'll go see this very well received production of Glengarry Glen Ross while I'm here. Just maybe buy one single ticket, see if I can, you know, sneak on in there and. Wow, sounds expensive. I was shocked, shocked at how much they're charging for tickets to Glengarry Glen Ross on Broadway. We might talk about that. Also. We're going to talk some sports on this Monday. But I mean, I figured he had to be in sport, but he wasn't in sport. The thing is though, this is important. We're not going to be talking about sports as in which team prevailed over the other team. We're going to be talking about a couple of middle aged dudes trying to figure out how to even watch their baseball team this coming season.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is so confusing.

[Luke Burbank]

Ron, some announcement last week about the Mariners and where you could and could not watch it. And I'm honestly flummoxed by the whole thing. Hopefully Andrew knows what's going on. Also, the. To me, the main storyline that's emerged from March Madness basketball is the hairline of the coach of the Liberty University basketball team. And if you've got cute hair, I'm gonna say, damn, girl, you got some cute hair. I would. I would like to. I would like to pour one out for my brother in arms. My brother in doing weird things to your hair so that it looks like you have more hair than you really do. Because this guy's getting. He's getting toasted on the Internet. I feel bad. Hey, speaking of hair, he's got hair. He's got chutzpah and broad based knowledge. He's also the longest running cobra of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Was I trying to make bada boom a catchphrase for a while? I heard that in the opening drop package.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I have a vague memory of was I trying to make that my thing?

[Luke Burbank]

I think there was a like maybe three or four days.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Where there was an attempt at sort of injecting that into the culture. That sounds like the culture. I believe the culture. There was some graft v. Host.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah. No, that three or four days sounds like about the max that I will try something, whether good or bad. That's where I usually peek out on anything I attempt.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, the thing about anything like that is it only works organically. The stuff that kind of sticks to the wall from this show, whether it's a piece of audio like Scott Hoy or kind of a bizarre neologism that we come up with, it's always got to be something that at the time, we don't identify it as being in any way durable.

[Andrew Walsh]

Bada boom. Bada boom.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. As they as.

[Andrew Walsh]

See how natural that was. See how. See, I'm making it organic now.

[Luke Burbank]

I was walking down 8th Avenue yesterday and it was just most actually, you know what if there was a place where you would hear some people saying bada boom, it's probably New York City.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm bada booming here.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, I'm bada booming here.

[Andrew Walsh]

How is the big city treating you?

[Luke Burbank]

It's treating me pretty well so far, I have to be honest. I've been kind of been Hermiting since I got here. I was in LA and took a very early flight out of Los Angeles yesterday. And then I got here and even with the time change, it was still, it was a reasonable hour. It was, I don't know, maybe like four in the afternoon. It was kind of a nice day. I happened to get this hotel room here that has a sort of a view of, to some degree, the Hudson River. It was just a beautiful afternoon. And I'll tell you what I did, Andrew. I plopped myself down on the hotel room bed and I slept for about three hours. Then I went downstairs and I ate some dinner and I came back up here and then I slept for nine more hours. And I felt like I was really not living my best life. I was not getting out and enjoying the hustle and bustle of New York City in the way that I should have been. But I just didn't have it in me. And I have kind of a lot going on today. I didn't want to be tired, so I just, I followed my body, Andrew, and it led me to, I don't know, 12 to 13 hours of total sleep in a 20 hour period.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, that's going to serve you. What are you, what are you doing there? I can't remember. Wait, did I ever know?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know if I've mentioned it because I don't like to brag. And there was a lot of correspondence at CBS Sunday Morning that were vying for this and they may hear me talking about it and I don't want to rub it in, but I'm going to be interviewing somebody at the PEZ Dispenser Museum tomorrow in Orange, Connecticut.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that is fun.

[Luke Burbank]

And then on Wednesday, I'm going to be going to the. A noted PEZ dispenser collector who's in Caldwell, New Jersey. So I'm for the design episode of CBS Sunday Morning. You know, there's a lot of design they could have given me the iPhone, you know, hoverboards, whatever else is out there. They said, let's put Burbank on the important design story of our day. The PEZ dispenser.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think I honestly would. I mean, this is just me and maybe this just because this is my opinion, it might just make you feel even more strongly how you feel about this. But I think the design of a PEZ dispenser is much more interesting than an iPhone story. Like we've read the iPhone stories. Yes, I'm looking at.

[Luke Burbank]

I actually 100% agree, but so that's why I'm. And then I'm staying out here because basically what was going to happen is I was going to have to fly home on Thursday, fly all the way back to Portland, and then somehow get on an airplane and fly back to Wisconsin. Because I am this weekend visiting a mustard museum and also judging a part of the, like, World Mustard Championship contest in Wisconsin. So it makes the most sense for me to kind of stay out here for this week, try to get much work done, going to the home office of CBS Sunday Morning and. And. And say hello to everyone. And. And then. And then hit Wisconsin on the way home. And then I'll be back at the Madrona Hill studio a week from today.

[Andrew Walsh]

How do I not have DJ Mustard? Screaming mustard. Why do I not have that isolated? I need that. Especially if you're just gearing up for this mustard story.

[Luke Burbank]

Honestly, the only thing I've been thinking about with the mustard story is how to work that audio in. Yeah, I don't care about anything. Any other part of the story other than we're getting. We're getting that drop. And we learned this together on this show, which I think is a great little dazzling deet. I believe DJ Mustard's real first name is Dijon.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. That's how you.

[Luke Burbank]

That makes a lot of sense, honestly.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm not joking. You should. I mean, I know this is one of those episodes where all the pieces are really tight. Right. Because it's a design you can't.

[Luke Burbank]

I know. Mustard is mustard.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, Mustard is standalone. Then get DJ Mustard is yet to.

[Luke Burbank]

Find a broadcast home.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you're doing a spec. No. Then get DJ Mustard, for God's sake.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I mean, we know that he's partnered with.

[Andrew Walsh]

Who is it some big mustard concerning Heinz? Yeah, I mean, he's. And I'm good.

[Luke Burbank]

Listen, I'm solid with the Heinz people. I've already done. Andrew, I've already done a story on ketchup. Sometimes you forget what a big deal I am.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You forget that I'm slowly working my way through every condiment.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'd have to skip mayonnaise if I were you.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, I mean, I would. I would. I would. I agree with you. Like, first of all, I love mayonnaise on certain things. I don't have your aversion to it. But if I think about it too long and hard, I start to see. I start to see your point on the matter, which is like, you know, like. Like raw eggs and, I don't know, some oil. That's the basic. Those are the building blocks of mayonnaise, as I understand.

[Andrew Walsh]

I like oil and I like eggs. I eat a lot of eggs. We've been talking about. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But like mixed together raw is not, it's not a pleasant thing to think about. But yeah, you know, I, I'm, I should be still pretty solid with the Heinz folks because again I've, I've covered the ketchup side of the business. I, I could think that they might be able to put us into. Put us in touch with DJ Mustard. I know what, exactly what'll happen. We'll get a shoot with DJ Mustard and there will be three 26 year old women with hair parted in the middle and kind of wide legged cutoff jeans that will be standing just outside the shot from the Heinz company or the ad agency that has been retained by the Heinz Corporation and their job is to really, really make sure that we are previewing all of the new wasabi mustard that the Heinz Corporation is putting out there. Even though I just want to get DJ Mustard yelling Mustard just to yell mustard.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. That's. That is what you need. Huh? You need to get dude in an airplane hangar. Why do you want to interview us about mustard and airplane hanger? Because we need the echo of mustard. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

The reverb. There's another. There's something else because the producer for this piece, by the way, I've already got Young Kim, my friend who's producing this. He's already on board for including DJ Mustard or in some form or fashion not. We didn't think of getting the person there. This is our lack of imagination. I love that you, that you've helped expand that. But we agreed to definitely try to work that clip in. And then there's something else where Mustard is in the pop culture right now, like I don't think it's somebody yelling it, but it's like there was one other thing on our text chain that was like we gotta just try to work in as much of this, as much of this, you know, Mustard pop culture kind of stuff. You know, Mustard is having a moment.

[Andrew Walsh]

Andrew, you think it's a TikTok thing? And that's. I'm trying to figure out if it's a TikTok thing. You know, I'm.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Probably unaware of it.

[Luke Burbank]

I went and this is, you know, I had to fly all the way to New York City, Andrew. To uncover this little gem of a topic at the top of the show. I started doing something really weird the other day and I'm loving It. I was really hungry. I was poking around my kitchen for something to eat, and unrelated to the fact that I'm doing this story in Wisconsin, I grabbed some gray Poupon mustard out of the fridge, and then I had. I have some, like, sliced Havarti cheese. And I'll tell you, all I did. I got a slice of that cheese out, and then I just spooned a little bit of that nice, spicy mustard onto there, and I kind of rolled it up. It was a home run. It was absolutely delicious. And I think. I only think of mustard as something that I'm going to put on. Like a sandwich or. Yeah, pretty much a sandwich. What else do what. What else is it a condiment for? Mustard, Hot dog or something?

[Andrew Walsh]

Pretzels. It's a big.

[Luke Burbank]

Pretzels. Okay. Pretzels.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

But it never occurred to me to just put it on, like, some kind of a creamy Havarti cheese. And it was great. It was like the spiciness of the mustard and the kind of creaminess of the Havarti. It was totally delicious.

[Andrew Walsh]

It would be hard for me to bro down with you on putting mustard on cheese, given my aversion.

[Luke Burbank]

Even that kind of cheese.

[Andrew Walsh]

Given my aversion to cheese. Yeah. But I would be interested in knowing if you ever went back and got more of that English mustard that I use. I believe it's called Coleman's. Remember? I accidentally. Remember when I accidentally blew your mind? That would be my soul song. I accidentally blew your mind. And then in parentheses with mustard. But when we were.

[Luke Burbank]

I want to see the COVID art for that.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, I was. When I went for the parenthetical, like, tag on that, I was going to try to sound it. Make it sound less dirty. And then I was going to say with my mustard, and I was like, how is that more filthy? Did you hear me stop? And like, I didn't. I heard where it was going, and I didn't want to go there anymore. But I was stuck in a word castle of my own. A word prison of my own making.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm sorry, Andrew. Our word princess is in another castle. You slid right down that flag and just went underground. And I get it.

[Andrew Walsh]

All bases belong to us.

[Luke Burbank]

I liked your. But what I liked there was you were going for that certain era of kind of like real sexy soul music, where a lot of times it seems like the music had a parenthetical title. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, we.

[Andrew Walsh]

I feel like we just lost two people that I sort of put in that category. I surprised that they both died around the same time. Because I kind of grouped them together in my head. Roy Ayers died recently. You know him?

[Luke Burbank]

Vibraphonis.

[Andrew Walsh]

Vibraphon is. And also Everybody Loves the Sunshine. I can't hit those notes. I can't hit any notes, but I love that song. I love that song. And then another fellow who. Oh, he is another soul singer from around that era who is very associated with the. With the 70s, 60s and 70s. He did the Ugam Boogam song. You know what I'm talking about, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Wait, really? That guy passed away?

[Andrew Walsh]

He passed away around the holidays.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I didn't even see that. I. It's funny because I, like, in the last five years have really gotten into the Ugam boom song.

[Andrew Walsh]

Brentwood. I'm sorry, Brenton Wood was his name. And he actually kind of. I think he came up with that name because of his connection to Brentwood. Actually, I don't think he was born.

[Luke Burbank]

I did not realize that that guy had passed away. But, yeah, like, again, you know, always early to the party. I've been recently getting into the Ugum boogum song. Now, when Roy Ayers passed, I felt like a five per. I wouldn't say connection to that, but I had a thought about it because I interviewed his son, his estranged son, Nabil Ayers, who's a music executive and who had a complicated relationship with his dad and wrote a book, I think, called Everyone Loves the Sunshine, or My Life in the Sunshine maybe.

[Andrew Walsh]

Makes sense. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And it was about his life and also his complicated relationship with his dad. And so when, When. When Roy Ayers passed away, that was like, in the last couple of weeks, I think. Yeah, right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

I was like, oh, I've read. I've kind of read a whole book about a guy having feelings about this guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And. And Brenton Wood, he did give me. Give me a little sign, girl.

[Luke Burbank]

That's also him.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And those two songs, I love them. And when I'm in a. When I'm in a. In a. In a bar, which is, you know, you know, it happens infrequent, I. I will start working the jukebox, like, at the vibe of the bar that's in my neighborhood. Like, I definitely will kind of sn there and then wait about 10 or 15 minutes, then start working the jukebox so they. So that the music doesn't change the moment I go in there. But Roy Ayers and Bretton Wood are two go tos for me. And kind of coincidentally, they passed away within, like, months of each other. But, yeah, there we are.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. January 3, 2025 is when Alfred Jesse Smith, aka Brenton Wood left us all.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't realize that. Anyway, so we'll keep working on your soul album.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Title and. And artwork. I do think it'll involve something kind of flowy and blousy. Now, Andrew, I'm sorry.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, it will. Yes, it will.

[Luke Burbank]

You are in the middle of something and I want to let you get to the end of it. But. But this whole album cover art has me. Has me thinking about something that we need to get into on this show. Probably this week. It doesn't have to be today. Are you up on the music of Kyle M. No. Do those words mean anything to you?

[Andrew Walsh]

Kyle Mooney. But I don't know if that's what you're talking about. I'm assuming not.

[Luke Burbank]

Kyle Mooney has released an album.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, it is Kyle Mooney. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Well, he gets going by Kyle M. Now. Okay, Andrew. And it is. This is actually great. This is just. I'll whet your whistle with this. Just maybe in the next few days if you. You touch in on the Kyle M. Music thing and then kind of your thoughts on it and then we'll reconvene this maybe, I don't know, Wednesday or Thursday of this week. I've only heard two of the songs and I'm still trying to kind of wrap my head around it. Like, what exactly is going on with the whole thing?

[Andrew Walsh]

It looks like it's earnest. It looks like it's.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that's the thing. I mean, the COVID art, one of the photos of him is just like. It's just powerful. Late 70s, early 80s. Like the kind of an album that we would have had around our house growing up. Except it would have been a Christian artist. It would have been Don Francisco or Keith Green or something. But all of your Kenny Logginses and your, you know, dudes of that era were putting out albums where they were looking exactly the way Kyle Mooney does on the COVID of this record. Or Kyle M. I'm sorry, Kyle M. Yeah, he's. He's going around talking about the music with people, introducing himself as Kyle M. So you're.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, you. Sounds like the question here is, is this really earnestness or is this like a next level parody where he will not give in to the fact that his parody. It's just, let me put it this way, Pitch perfect.

[Luke Burbank]

I received a text over the weekend from somebody in. In who I used to be very close to in my life and, And. And who I still have very fond thoughts about, let's just say a person who I may or may not have been married to who said, are you watching this whole Kyle Mooney situation? And I said, I said, yeah, I kind of am. I've heard a couple of the songs. And this person said, you know, I totally support people just following their passion, but like, it's pretty bad, right? And I was like, I'm pretty sure that's the point. But I don't know actually, like, I mean, that had me thinking, like, is it possible that he's. Because here's the thing about, about Kyle Mooney in a certain way, him doing a very self serious, which he's been doing all these videos where he's like being really self serious about it, you know, okay. Him. Him doing an album where he's like introducing it. He's talking about, you know, him being really self serious and then just putting out an album that's sort of manifestly bad. That sort of feels like the joke, but that feels like the obvious joke.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And he's not that joke you expect.

[Luke Burbank]

From Kyle Mooney and he's not an obvious guy. Does that make sense?

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

All the setup of him being. And he goes back to his childhood home in San Diego and he's like. Knocks on the door. He's like talking to the people that live in the San Diego home. He's walking around.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh yeah, this has got to. Okay. And I'm not really. I'm not looking much up. I'm just seeing some headlines. But I wanted to see if anybody had been because at first I thought you were describing a Tim. I love the way we said, well, we're not. We're still listeners. We're still not talking about this. We're talking about what we're going to talk about when we talk about this. But at first I thought it was gonna be a Tim Heidecker thing because, you know, it was like around. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

His music is apparently serious.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And. And varying levels of. Of good.

[Luke Burbank]

I would say, like I remember definitely not manifestly bad. It sounds like passable sort of guitar, you know, pop folk music.

[Andrew Walsh]

And he's somebody who's very passionate about music. If you follow him on social media, he's like, you know, often commenting on songs and like, you know, on YouTube even.

[Luke Burbank]

Don't play charades with him. Do not place your right up on your jazz guys.

[Andrew Walsh]

But he really does love music and loves the Beatles and like, I don't know, just like all these other influences. And so when he Released an album. Talk about Tim Heidecker here. I think I feel like it was right before the Pandemics. I remember listening to the first few singles of it kind of on repeat on various, like, mixes that I made that these and I would listen to while we played cards during the Pandemic. I just really associated with that time. And, like, the first two or three singles off that album were great. There were a few that weren't, as, you know, I think started to show that, like, you know, the faults of. Or, you know, the fact that he hasn't dedicated his life to music. Some of the lyrics are maybe a little bit corny, but the good stuff was really good. And so I thought maybe that's what. What Kyle Mooney. Kyle M. What Kyle M. Was doing here. But it seems this might be more like who was, you know, my friend Paul dressed up like. What's his name? Who was the guy who, in the early 2000s was it Joaquin Phoenix, decided he was just gonna be Mr. Serious? And he, like, went on all the talk shows with dark sunglasses and never left. By the way, Paul dressed up like him for Halloween last year or two years ago, not when it was in the. In the zeitgeist. I really appreciated that, although I didn't see it because I was in Ohi while he visited Genevieve's party here at my home that year.

[Luke Burbank]

That's where that's from whence this fine audio drop came from. Andrew, for me to like, to be.

[Andrew Walsh]

Able to connote that, like, my artism is bigger than that. I never made that connection. Now, of course, I can hear his voice muster. So maybe that what Kyle Moon. Is Kyle Mooney doing or Kyle M. Doing something more akin to that. I wonder.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, again, this. This is why this conversation is premature, because you haven't listened to any of the music, and I've literally heard half of two songs. So we need to. We need to spend some time with this music. I might my initial impression of one of the songs, which is just about how, like, we need to put our phones down. It seemed again, like I assumed that the joke was a really serious buildup. And then an album that's got some pretty. Pretty lo fi songs on it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I still.

[Luke Burbank]

I think I still stand by that. But again, I'm a little surprised because I also feel like the more interesting thing for Mooney, which would be to again, follow the Heidecker Road, which is be this person who's super arch and super, like, you know, in on the joke and multiple layers of kind of whatever you want to call it. Sarcasm, remove. But then put out this music that you're going in playing legitimately. Like, you like playing these songs and you're not doing it. It's not a joke. You don't buy it as a joke, Andrew. You don't give it as a joke.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not a joke, by the way.

[Luke Burbank]

No. You don't like. I don't. I. I'm so, like the. I hold Kyle Mooney in such high comedic regard.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

That. That if the payoff of Kyle M. Is he just did an album that's pretty bad, then it's kind of like. I'm a little surprised because I expected to be one more layer of comedy there that I'm kind of not expecting. And that would be. This is real. That would be. That would be the next layer.

[Andrew Walsh]

But if he's singing about putting down your phone like, it's pretty. I mean, we know that he is like a very Dr. Dry, like, cringe artist. Okay. Like you said. Okay, we're going to talk about that later. And we're also going to. We didn't do it today, and I felt like you specifically didn't want to do this today because the conversation, though, was about to kind of flow into a place that I was excited about. And it's felt. I felt like you. I could be wrong here, but I feel like you felt the convert that I wanted to take the conversation into PEZ land and go nostalgic over the Pezes that we had. Let's not do that now, because I'm trying to remember the Pezes that I had.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, how about this?

[Andrew Walsh]

I had a Batman one. But I would love to go over your personal PEZ story at some point.

[Luke Burbank]

How about Wednesday? Okay, so listen, by Wednesday, I'll have gotten eyes on the pez. It's not really a museum. It's a visitor center. And let me just lay this on you. It's a visitor center that was created by a guy who was just a lifetime PEZ enthusiast who was bothering the PEZ company so much that they should have some kind of a thing, a display that they finally just said, fine, quit your job. Move out here. We'll put you in charge of building out an intense visitor center at the PEZ facility in Orange, Connecticut. And he said, okay, and he moved out and made it. And that's what I'm going to go visit tomorrow. So I'll. I'll have a lot. And I'm going to go in where they. Of course, you might Be shocked to hear. I believe the actual dispensers are made, you know, overseas, let's just say. But the candy is made in Orange, Connecticut. So I will get to go to the assembly line. I'll get to at least see. And we can all agree PEZ candy is actually kind of trash, right? If it's not. If it wasn't coming out of, like, the neck.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was just asking myself that. I was just. I mean, before you said it, I was wondering, do I raise that? Because I was picturing the PEZ on my tongue. I can feel it. The little divot in there. I haven't had a PEZ in decades, but I can feel the little divot on my tongue. I'm like, oh, yeah, the pez. I'm like, wait a second. Is that good? Or is it just because it comes out of Batman? Like, I don't. I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

Fair question.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right? But like. But. But also, is it. Does it matter? Like, because. Plating, Luke, as you get more and more into the. Into the culinary arts.

[Luke Burbank]

You understand, See the plating I'm doing at my house?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you're doing a lot of plating. And in a certain way, you know, eating a candy that comes out of Batman's neck is a certain kind of. Here. Here's what. I'm being serious. I want you to come to tbtl as you do this story with a lot of dazzling details about pez. Yes, I'm legit interested in this, and.

[Luke Burbank]

I have chock full of details, I promise.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I have something important that I want you to suss out. So I've been on the PEZ website for a while now, since we started this conversation.

[Luke Burbank]

You've got eyes on this, and I'm.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just sort of scrolling through, like, their.

[Luke Burbank]

Have you looked at the physical center?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know. I'm on something called the PEZ archive. And what it's done is it's broken down first by decades, but then each year, you can click on and you can see what PEZ dispensers they released each year. And it goes up to the present day, I believe. 2025. Yes. And goes back to the 1950s.

[Luke Burbank]

Except don't let 2025 be like a cyber truck, please.

[Andrew Walsh]

Here's what I want you to look like.

[Luke Burbank]

What's the most horrific 2025 Pez dispenser they could be going with?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, gosh, Elon Musk. Okay, so. But here's. Here's where I'm going with this serious question that I Want you to suss out if you. If I can give you an assignment. Every single year is represented. But when you get into the 80s, you have 1980 collection. 81, 82, 1983. No releases, 85, no releases, and 88 releases.

[Luke Burbank]

Sound of the Funky Drummer.

[Andrew Walsh]

What's going on?

[Luke Burbank]

Sorry, I thought you're doing Public Enemy there for a minute.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, what's going on with 83, 85, and 88? Why were there no releases when missing years? Any years since the 1950s? What happened in those years?

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. What happened to the Du Frain?

[Andrew Walsh]

What happened to the Du Frain?

[Luke Burbank]

What are the years again? I'm literally writing this down.

[Andrew Walsh]

It says 83, 85, and 88. No releases. So I can't even click.

[Luke Burbank]

I am going to. I'm going to get answers tomorrow in Orange, Connecticut. Okay. For real? That's a. Thank you. I probably. I might not have noted that. And I bet you there's an interesting story behind it. So I will be looking into this. And again, I. I promise you all, I will be absolutely insufferable by Wednesday. With the pez. With the Pez, Fast.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you've already got a head start, so that's good. A lot of smurfs in the 80s. All right, more on that later. Those are two conversations that we did not have. Now we're going to have them later. Kyle.

[Luke Burbank]

Kyle M. And Pez. And will there ever be a Kyle M. Pez?

[Andrew Walsh]

And how much will I pay for it?

[Luke Burbank]

We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set, get set now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Ready?

[Luke Burbank]

Ready, go, everybody. Razzle dazzle. All right, let's thank some dazzling donors. These folks are donating a dazzling amount of dough, which is how TBTL is able to keep in business all the way here from New York City.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I mention something to you?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

I had some. You describe sometimes running into somebody and they want to know about the show or the business model or whatever. And I don't know if you've ever described it this way, but I had something happen to me in a similar conversation on Friday that I realized really is a pattern where. Here, I'll just describe it to you. I was at kuow. Actually, I want to tell you more about that till tomorrow. It went okay. I want to tell you about something that happened to me after. After the recording yesterday or on Friday, the live show on Friday that I think you'll be interested in. But I was. I kind of Got there a little bit early, as you'd expect. And I was in the green room and kind of running into a bunch of old friends and colleagues, as is usually the case, and I ran into an old colleague of mine and friend named Jim, who you know as well.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, I love Jim.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know. Yeah. Used to. Wrote a couple of episodes of the Golden Girls, actually, before he got into public radio. True story.

[Luke Burbank]

He's an LA guy. I remember him from his LA days.

[Andrew Walsh]

Anyway, I hadn't caught up with Jim in forever. He said he's got a kid who's seven years old now, and I didn't even know that he had a kid. So that's how long it's been since I've talked to Jim. But anyway, we were talking about public radio and how they're doing their fundraiser right now, or they were at least on Friday, and starting to see the effects of potentially losing federal dollars and then seeing what happens with the economy. Everybody's just a little bit nervous about both donations and certainly what'll. Any kind of federal grants. And then I kind of mentioned our deal. I didn't go into too much detail, but I said, you know, we run an independent business now. There's three of us, and we do like a public radio fun drive once a week or. Or, I'm sorry, once a year.

[Luke Burbank]

And they'll make us do it once a week, y'all.

[Andrew Walsh]

And Jim said something like. And this is. They. I can tell what people want to ask, but they don't want to be rude about it, which is like, there's this. He. There's this way of sort of trying to ask, like, oh, and that's like your real job. Like, and it's not like a little.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. The guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Not a side gig. Like, he kind of wants to. And it sort of trails out often. I'm not picking on Jim here because this is a conversation I have a lot. The person will often say, oh, and that's like, that's your. And that's good for. In that. And that's the. Good for you. Right? Because they want to say, wait, you're not making salaries off of that. Right. Or something. They kind of. You know, I'm literally doing a podcast in my basement, which is a. Which is a stereotype, of course. And I was just kind of like, yeah, no, I mean, it's a matter of pride for us. It's also a matter of eating for us, because this is how we put food on our table. But, yeah, it's kind of like, yeah, no, this is a real thing that we do.

[Luke Burbank]

I know that exact conversation. Yeah. Because people, if they take an interest in it, and particularly if they're in the industry, they're like trying to sort of get a sense of the operation. Like. Yeah. Are we. Are we just. Is this a hobby? Is this a hobby where the donations pay for the bandwidth we use?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Is it a. Is it a kind of. And it's like. No, it's our. It's our real jobs and it's three people's real jobs. And it's because of folks like Kelly Nilsen in San Diego, California. That's where Kyle M. Is from, I've learned recently.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, San Diego. Yeah. That makes sense.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Kelly says Nilsen, like Harry Nilsson, the singer. Now that helps me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah. Everybody talking. Everybody talking.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Parenthetically, from that sad movie that the.

[Andrew Walsh]

After these messages voicemail song it is.

[Luke Burbank]

That was. Was that. That must have existed before Midnight Cowboy. And then they just put it at the end of the movie.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Like that probably wasn't written for the soundtrack of Midnight Cowboy.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a really good question. I don't know. But of course I. People in pop culture first associate it with our podcast after this message and.

[Luke Burbank]

Then second, the ending.

[Andrew Walsh]

Secondly, they're like Ransom Rizzo. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, exactly. I'm riding here. I'm riding here. Kelly Nelson says thanks to the business boys, Luke and Andrew and John, for building such an amazing community. My business is turning three years old this summer and the support I've received from the tens over the last few years has helped me flourish. Whoa. That's cool to hear. I am so grateful that my husband and my husband is grateful and my 17 year old son as well, you know, he's not mad about it. Honestly, I would say that's about all you can expect in that particular developmental stage of life.

[Andrew Walsh]

Before we get into the details of Kelly's business, which are important and we are looking forward to sharing here, I want to say that message there that a bunch of tens were able to support Kelly and her business really strikes home with something that we talked about on Friday's episode of tbtl, which is listener Sierra has put together a place on the TBTL Slack page that is specifically for TBTL small business owners and a place where people can kind of see what other tens are up to. Because like, if we're going to be purchasing goods and services, why not do it from a 10? And so that. That's. We saw a bunch of people sign up for that too. So Kelly, if you're not already over there on Slack, you might want to post a link there too.

[Luke Burbank]

That is such a good point, Andrew. Like, I feel like we're, we're circling the wagons here at the old show. We're always going to like, we're just going to try to buy everything from each other and support TBTL and show up for causes that need us. So we're just gonna try to be a little, a little like, you know, island of people that really want to take care of each other. And I don't mean that, that we're turning our backs on other folks, but just like the more we can do to support each other, the better. Kelly's business is Braava Financial llc, a flat fee advice only fiduciary. Fiduciary financial planning firm. I'm based in San Diego, but I can work with folks across the country. I would love it if the tens would check out my website, which is bravafinancialplans.com and brava is b r a v a bravafinancialplans.Com and if you like what you see, sign up for my newsletter.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nice.

[Luke Burbank]

If you have questions or comments, email [e-mail] and let me know how I can help you. My poem this year is from Muhammad Ali and the poem is called Me We.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think that's the full poem.

[Luke Burbank]

That.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow.

[Luke Burbank]

Isn't it short and sweet? Looks like it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I think, I think that is the full poem, not just the name of it. I could be wrong about that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, you're right. That is the poem. Me, period. We, period. If that isn't tbtl, I don't know what is. By the way, this is me quoting Kelly still. Although I agree with the sentiment, if that isn't tbtl, I don't know what is. If you love Muhammad Ali, check out the documentary When We Were Kings, like on Netflix. It is superb. Love you all. So there you go. Me, we. I mean, what do you take from that? The idea that we are connected, essentially, that. That. That there. I don't know what to say. There is no me. But that I feel like that is saying to me, there is a connection between all of us. There is a greater we that we are part of. We do not stand alone. We stand together whether we want to or not.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like when you say there is no you and me, there's only us. Which is something I like to say to Genevieve a lot and turns up her headphones louder. So there you go.

[Luke Burbank]

That's, you know, something I hope you guys are able to work through because I think that's a beautiful, beautiful sentiment. So thank you, Kelly, for supporting tbtl. We really appreciate you. Maestro, on your mark. On your mark. Get set, get set.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now.

[Luke Burbank]

Ready, ready, go. Everybody, look who it is. It's Lisa Claus in West Westchester. Westchester. Westchester, Pennsylvania. Lisa says the last name is pronounced Claws. Like claws. C, L, A, W, S. That was a cat. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, but no, I made the sound. You don't. You.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I see. I thought that was Bingo walking.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, that was.

[Luke Burbank]

We have our cameras off today because of the remote connection, and I didn't realize. Oh, that was you.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was me making that sound. But it sounded like a cat, right? And people think of cat claws, so.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And I don't have my cat sound effect here because I'm again, I'm trying to keep my. My digital footprint to a minimum. So our connection is good. So I appreciate you doing that because I usually I'm playing that cat sound like it's going out of style, but I don't have it today.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm looking to see do I might have another cat sound here on this box.

[Luke Burbank]

Turkey gobble.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's. No, it's the Halloween sound machine that I have. So if it's got a cat, it's going to be.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, that machine.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good news for you, Luke. Battery is dead. The battery is dead.

[Luke Burbank]

I thought it would never happen.

[Andrew Walsh]

Listener Veronica gave me this.

[Luke Burbank]

America.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I'll bet you something. I'll bet you something, like, landed. It sits in this drawer. Something was probably pressing one of the buttons for probably days and days, and I was probably out of this office and there was just a witch cackling in here until the battery drained.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe. Yeah, maybe Bingo.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Stepping on it. Thank you for that. Lisa just says, short and sweet, like the Muhammad Ali poem. Love the show. Well, thanks, Lisa. We love you listening and we love you supporting the program. And we couldn't do this without you. What did you tell our friend Jim about this being our job? Did you tell him? Like, did you. Because I kind of think we might need to start our. Ego, Andrew, not ego. That's the wrong. That's the wrong word. But. But I think you and I have a very weird way of thinking about and talking about this show, or at least I do. And. And the weirdness is anytime someone says, oh, what's your podcast about? I'm like, I don't know. It's like me and my friend and we talk to each other or like, oh, I. I'm sorry I don't listen to your show. And I'm always like, oh, you're not missing anything. And yet I'm also very proud of this, that it's a thing that we have figured out how to do for 17 years or whatever it's been. And like, like, it's. It's almost like if you're talking crap about your parents and then your friend says, like, yeah, they do kind of suck. And you're like, you better watch your mouth.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. You know, I was thinking about that, about my neighborhood yesterday as I was walking home from somewhere. I was just like, I love my neighborhood. And then I thought, well, it's got its problems. But then I thought, you. And I don't even know who I was talking to because I was by myself. I was like, but nobody else can say it's got his problems. It's my neighborhood.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. And so I could see I would have one of two, like, reactions. And I guess I have, you know, if people are kind of like, you know, just trying to assess, like, is this working? Are you, Are you and Andrew and John, you know, paying yourselves a salary and living on this? And. And part of me want to be like, yeah, it's a. That's a real thing. And we are paid an actual salary and we're very grateful for that. And then part of me wanted to be like, we're struggling, man. We are having, like, do we play the sympathy card is my question. Should we. Should we really have the standard line being like, we may go out of business, but, like, we're gonna go out of business next week if we, if we don't, you know, I don't even know what if we don't. If we don't hit it out of the park on the next thon.

[Andrew Walsh]

So in order. Yeah. Like, should I just have gotten Jim to donate because I slid?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I guess that's kind of what I'm wondering.

[Andrew Walsh]

That said tbtl.net donate on it. And I said, well, we could always.

[Luke Burbank]

Calico cut pants. Yeah, you've got to donate.

[Andrew Walsh]

I said, they come that way anyway. Yeah, no, I think I. You want me to answer that seriously? I will answer that seriously and say. I said, because he didn't fully straight out ask. Oh, and that's how you support yourself. But that's clearly what the question was, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I didn't say. And he didn't come out and really put it that sharply. And so I didn't answer that sharply, but I said, yeah, we work with a guy that we brought over from American Public Media and he knew all about public radio fundraising. And now we're a three person operation and we got like a real public radio operation going here. So I always sort of like, I think by letting folks know that we're not like that. We're, you know, that we're business boys, you know. Yeah, we're three business boys doing business.

[Luke Burbank]

We really are. I'm, I'm again, I'm, I am very proud of this. Even though I spend most of my time denigrating the show, if anyone even looks at me slightly askance, I'm the first person to talk about what a media empire we're building at tbtb. Thank you very much.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. Thanks to our donors.

[Luke Burbank]

Hello and welcome to Top Story. All right, you know, I'll save my little musings about NYC for, for a later time, Andrew. The upshot being, gosh darn, those tickets to Glengarry Glen Ross are not cheap. $800 for a single ticket.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've been hearing a little bit of buzz about this, but not much because I don't really follow what's going on on the stage. You know, like, that's not a.

[Luke Burbank]

Nor do I, generally speaking. It just seems to bring together. I mean, I was a huge fan of the film version.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And, and you know, I'm intrigued by the folks in it. It's Bob Odenkirk and Kieran Culkin and Bill Burr, of all people, who I guess I didn't really think of as a stage actor. But it's like with so many Broadway shows, maybe this is also just speaks to like, there's a lot of Broadway shows that have struggled. This one is apparently like extended and doing record numbers. And it's like, oh, here's what we should do. Let's put the three white guys on stage and do a David Mamet play. Cool. That's what we're. That's still thriving on Broadway. But I was excited to go see it and I figured, ah, single ticket on a, you know, Monday or Tuesday night. I mean, it's one banana, Michael.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And it was shocking. I mean, it's sold out, so you have to go through these secondary markets. And one of them I was looking at, they had two tickets in the entire house and they were $800 a pie.

[Andrew Walsh]

Jeez Louise. This is probably a dumb question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway. They have not adapted the play since the movie came out, right? Cause Obviously this started as a play. It was adapted to a movie. The movie made some significant changes, including adding that whole new Alec Baldwin character, which is not a huge part of the movie, but it's one of the most memorable parts of the movie that everybody talks about. The great oratory monologue. I couldn't think of the word monologue, so I went with oratory. Sorry about. I was just. I didn't want to say again, but.

[Luke Burbank]

Oratory also works there. It's interesting.

[Andrew Walsh]

Most monologues are oratory, though. That was like one of those things where it was kind of like I was Brock Huerting it a little bit. Like, I didn't. You don't need to say oratory monologue. It's just monologue. But I couldn't think of the word monologue any. Who's all, sorry, sorry, Brock, you didn't deserve that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, wow.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

Hold my muscle milk.

[Andrew Walsh]

All of that is to say, I would assume that the play on Broadway now is the play as the play was written by David Mammoth.

[Luke Burbank]

It, you know, that's such a good question. And it, it's. It makes me so like actually relieved. I mean, there was no chance of me paying $800 a ticket. That was a non starter. But if it would have been. If I would have seen a ticket for $140, I could have probably talked myself into it. Even though that's also very, very expensive.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But if I would have paid, you know, any amount over the asking price for the ticket and I would have gone to the. This hadn't even occurred to me, Andrew. If I would have gone to the play and I would not have seen the. Mitch and Murray sent me down here.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Coffee is for closers. I think I would have been really bummed.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And like, you're right. That's not the play. That's the movie version of the play. And now this is the play again. And so presumably it's more faithful to the original David Mamet version. I think he also wrote the screenplay, but still, like, do they insert this thing that was made for the movie back into the play? Because a lot of, like a lot of jam oaks like me are basically going to sit and have someone who's playing whatever the Alec Baldwin character is go put that coffee down. Like that's what I'm waiting for.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. I mean, think about all of the. So many iconic lines just in that. What I like to call an orus. Oratory monologue. Sorry, I've gotten over that. You can tell the rest of my day is going to be fine. But yeah, just in that four minutes of the movie is the touchstone of what people think of. And just so many classic lines.

[Luke Burbank]

It's almost all of the quotable lines because, I mean, other than that, it falls off really quickly. There's one where it's like, there, you know, somebody says they just like talking to salesmen, which is about some, you know, some folks that. That one of the sales people has been on these endless number of sits with, and they're not going to ever buy anything.

[Andrew Walsh]

You've got the Jack Lemon characters on with them, right? Doesn't he fall for the.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that Shell Levine? That's. That's that stuck with them. There's like. There's like Ricky Roma saying, which, as in the movie is played by Al Pacino saying, like. Like, you never open your mouth until you know the shot. But again, nothing approaches the. The various, you know, second places you're. Or third place is you're fired or whatever. I mean, that's all of the quotable lines are in that, like, three minutes of film. And if they would have not played, which is so funny because in a bunch of other contexts, I would have been, like, slightly looking down on someone who went to a play hoping that there was a line from the movie in the play.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Except if it's me, I needs my Alec Baldwin quot my friends, I needs that. So, anyway, I'm not going to see a Glengarry Glen Ross at any time while I'm here, and I'm basically fine with that. Now, speaking of, when you go to.

[Andrew Walsh]

See Aladdin on ice and they don't do the lines that you know from the movie.

[Luke Burbank]

Precisely. Like, I want, you know, I don't.

[Andrew Walsh]

I picked the wrong movie. I could know one thing from Aladdin. Literally, I've never seen it.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, like, the funny part is I. The other day, for no reason that I can remember, I was watching some of the original Aladdin songs on. Oh, I was watching with Becca because I think I was mangling, like, a song from Aladdin. She goes, it's not that lyric. It's like. It's this other lyric. And then I just started watching it on my phone. So I do love that. I do love that movie. But speaking of watching things.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's talk about this Mariner situation. So now I, you know, the Mariners used to be on this thing, Root Sports Northwest, which was available, which they also own, I think, and it was available if you just, like, got cable you know, from whatever Xfinity, it should have been one of the channels. And then at some point, Xfinity said, oh, if you want to have that as part of the channels, we're to charge you another, whatever, 20 bucks a month or something. Because they had realized that for people that really want to watch the Mariners, people like me, I'm the person in this story, they could extract. They can extract an extra amount of money from me because, like, that's honestly the main reason I'm doing this.

[Andrew Walsh]

They moved it up into another tier is the way to do it, because, like, you have your basic cable, right? The most basic cable gives you very little. Then back in my day, Luke, there would be, like, basic cable, and then you could add on HBO or Showtime or Skinimax or something, right? Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you for using its government name.

[Andrew Walsh]

And that was that. But then, obviously, as cable changed over the years and decades, it was like many tiered systems. You can get the most basic, but, like, all that does is bring you, like, the broadcast stations and maybe TLC or something. I don't know. It's been a long time. But then there's like, the sort of, like, the premium plus and then the family Plan plus or whatever, where you get, like, slightly better channels. And what happened a couple of seasons ago is the Xfinity, the cable provider said, oh, yeah, we're keeping root sports, but it's no longer part of the basic plan. It's now part of the more expensive plan where you also get some other premium channels. Channels. And so because of that, it's a lot. It was a lot more money for people, and they're like, I don't want these other channels. I just want to watch.

[Luke Burbank]

I think premium channels is being generous because it wasn't like, I got HBO with them, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, no. Just like, probably more like FX. HGTV.

[Luke Burbank]

4.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right. Exactly. So.

[Luke Burbank]

And. And so. So finally, I. I cut the. I followed your lead, Andrew, and I cut the cable. Really? What happened was a guy working on my house with an excavator cut the cable for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's true. I kind of forgot about that. And you were already very tempted to do it, and then it literally happened. Happened. I forget.

[Luke Burbank]

It literally happened. It was a force majeure. There's actually a force. Jesse, that was the guy who did it second time. He dug the lineup, too, which is. You know, that's amazing. That's. You're batting a thousand. You've been here two times with an excavator, and both Times you've dug up the cable line.

[Andrew Walsh]

I didn't know that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I had to re string it with my dad the second time. Like it was a whole thing. I had to find the conduit and break it out and pull out the whatever. Anyway, all that is to say, I switched over to this FuboTV, which I've been waxing rhapsodic about. It's a streaming thing, but it seems it let me watch my football, let me watch my Chris Hayes. I'm very happy with it. And then I assumed I could watch my Mariners because one of the things that I was before I signed up for it, that I was very, very adamant about, was, can I also get baseball in here? And it kept saying the Internet kept telling me, yes, it shows up on old Fubo. And then I see this article in the paper last week that says the Mariners have finally, like, basically rolled out their own streaming service. And I forget this is. If I was a better podcast host, I would have the specific language in front of me.

[Andrew Walsh]

I got it.

[Luke Burbank]

But whoever wrote about this in the paper said something that. That sent a shiver through me, which was something about how people with. And then they listed a few different services, including Fubo, and they said something like, will be.

[Andrew Walsh]

We'll have sex, I think. Right. Oh, no, it actually. Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

It said that, like, this may be a complication for people with. It said something. And again, this is why I should have actually highlighted it was the initial article. There was some line that. The way I read it, and I could have been, you know, I could have been misreading it. It made it sound like people with Fubo were going to be annoyed at this development or that it was somehow going to not work for us, which I was really shocked by. So, thankfully, you've been. You've been boots on the ground in Seattle doing some recon on this. And what is the deal? How are we supposed to watch this?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I'm still trying to figure it out, but I think you're okay. I don't know the specific line that you saw that sort of freaked you out, but I do see your text, which was written in a private forum, but I'm going to air it here. You wrote the whole reason I got Fubo is because it was supposed to show root, but the article makes it sound like I also have to get the new thing. Now, I don't know if that's true or not. I spent the weekend thinking that was the case, so there's complications for both of us. And this is one of those things where I care about this so much. I'm worried about talking about it because I can just hear people zoning out on this. But this was a big deal for me because I also need to close this text chain because it also just became just a bunch of people making up everybody in our text chain making up different fake cable and streaming services like Poob Plus. Anyway, I'm closing that tab because I'm getting distracted. The thing is, you had a bunch of people who cut the cord, but then didn't want to pay $80 a month for FuboTV. And my family, I think, is a good example of that. I told Genevieve, as we discussed a lot on this show recently, I was like, maybe I'll get Fubo. I think she thought it was $80 a year, not $80 a month, and it would only be to watch the baseball games. But of course, Fubo is like a Internet streaming package, and we would get MSNBC, like you said, and a whole bunch of other channels, most of which Genevieve just doesn care about. And it's kind of like, yeah, $80 a month to watch Mariners. It galls me a little bit, too, because of the whole, like, you know, King county taxpayers and my tax dollars going to support that stadium and the franchise in. In. In a pretty direct way, I would say. But there's no way to actually watch the games without paying. We're one of. I can't remember a handful of markets where there's no way to watch the game without literally paying a private company. Your Fubo, your Xfinity, whatever. And so the announcement this week, and it happened right before the season, I think. I think it was a. I think this launch is a little bit scattershot because they were just trying to get this done right before the season begins. Root Sports, AKA the Mariners. The Mariners basically own Root Sports, which is the, you know, regional sports network. They are saying you don't have to get cable, you don't have to pay for Fubo. You can now just pay us $20 a month, and you can get the new Root Sports app, which will show all of the games live, including, they claim, no blackouts, which, to me, that means I can drink as much as I want during a game, and I'll be fine. You hear that, Genevieve? I'll be fine. No, I believe what that means is, like, they black out, like, four games a year. I don't believe them, by the way. I think they're still going to black those out. But, yes, they claim no blackouts. But they take like four games a year on Fridays and they move them over to Apple TV and they have a different broadcast crew. I do not think that they're taking those back away from Apple because they would just change too much about the actual production. I think they're lying a little bit.

[Luke Burbank]

And that's probably an MLB contract.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. Yeah. So having said all that, they claim no blackouts. And you can just, you can watch this on your phone, you can watch this on your computer, or if you have a smart TV like Apple TV or maybe one other, you can put the app on your tv. You know, like, I turn on my TV right now and I have like Hulu, I have. I don't have Fubo, but you know, I have Hulu, I have Netflix, I have hbo. You would think that I could just get a root sports badge, turn on the TV and scroll on over to it, but no, I'm thinking because this was released in haste, they don't have this in the TV marketplace yet. So you have to like watch it on your phone or your computer and then stream it to your television by like, you know, chrome casting it or plugging it in or something.

[Luke Burbank]

Or what is this, 2024?

[Andrew Walsh]

Or I can get a Roku. It will be in the Roku store, which means I can go buy one of those tiny little Roku devices and plug that into my TV and then watch it that way. But it's kind of like I have a smart tv, I don't want to get a Roku. They're not expensive by the way. It's not a money thing, but it's.

[Luke Burbank]

Honestly, you could find a Roku lying in the weeds. I know I can. Most in, most under tended lots and.

[Andrew Walsh]

Turn over the earth and you'll find a Roku, I'm sure. No, I mean, listen, it's seriously not money thing, but it's a little bit like. No, but I got my system. I don't need a Roku for anything because I have a smart TV with all of my apps built in and all my preferences built in. But so my big thing now is do I go get one of those little. You know, a Roku is basically the size of a thumb drive these days. I can plug in the back of the tv, sign up for the service, and it would be easier than like doing what I do now, which is like I go to a website or two, I look for an illegal stream, I plug it into the back of my tv, I carry a computer over. I hate carrying a computer over. There, behind the tv, plugging it in, hoping that it has enough juice to get me through the game. Otherwise, I have to go get my power cable. You know what I mean? I would love to cut all that stuff out. So I'm leaning towards buying this $20 a month package along with a Roku just so I can have the simplicity of putting it on my tv. But that's where I am in this. Where are you in all of this? Is what I'm trying to figure out. Are they pulling the games off of Fubo and saying that Fubo users can now log into this new app? Because that's one thing I'm certain of. You will have access to this new app, Luke. You can download the app on your phone, you can watch games wherever, and you will have free access to it. Probably just logging in at. With your Fubo credentials. My question is, are they taking it out of the Fubo channel listing though? Because that was a huge thing for you. You're like, I'm not going to buy something and then plug in a computer and describe all the bullshit I go through in my basement. You want a seamless experience where you can pretty easily bounce from all in with Chris Hayes to the Mariners and then back and forth until like, the news of the world or the news of the Mariners depresses you more. Whatever happens first, right? Like, you want that seamless experience. If they're taking it out of Fubo for you, that would be a huge screw to you because that means it would be. You'd have to get your cable back or like, whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

I have to pay the 20 bucks a month in in order for this additional.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, you won't have to pay for it. As long as you have Fubo, you won't have to pay for it. It like you.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, well, that's good.

[Andrew Walsh]

That I know, but I'll have to.

[Luke Burbank]

Do it comes down to how seamlessly. And I'm assuming this being the Mariners, it will be very, very seamful. But like, it. It just depends on how the apps are talking to each other and how if. Listen, if the worst thing is I have to buy a Roku slash, go find one lying on the train tracks, I can probably deal with that. But I. You're. You're right. I don't. I don't want any shenanigans with this. Like, I. It's so weird that this specific activity would be so important to me as far as the overall experience, but there's something about walking into my living room slash kitchen. I don't have a big house. It's all kind of the same room. So I'm not walking in there and picking up the remote control and turning on the television and changing it to the station that the Mariners are on. And then the game's happening. That and there not being any other amount of logging in or, you know, content capture or streaming or casting. Like, I just don't want any of that other stuff. And the fact that, you know, I got this whole FUBO thing in order to just have it be pretty seamless. I'm just hoping that it doesn't become this whole thing where, I don't know, I've got to keep re logging in or verifying my credentials or there's some technological issue where I'm trying to go through Fubo on my way to the. The root sports. Because you know what will happen? And this is. I'm angry about this, even thinking about it. There'll be a day when I'll just buy the GD app from Root Sports. I'll just want to watch something like. Let's just say there's a problem. I'll be like, well, can I solve this problem with $20 right now? And then I know I'm just. I'm just buying that stupid root sports app and running it from there through the Roku.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, I have some updates here. First of all, I've been. It's funny because I was sitting. I was literally at one. Like, I've just been having this conversation in my head all weekend. I think the news about this broke on Friday morning. And I tell you that on Saturday, I was doing a lot of. I was running a lot of errands. And I was literally at one point sitting in my car in the parking lot outside Silver Platter Records outside the Alderwood Mall. I think that's Linwood.

[Luke Burbank]

Love that there's still a silver platter.

[Andrew Walsh]

Or outside the Olympic spa and the silver platters. I actually had gone in there, bought a couple of records, and then I get back in my car and I start my car and I'm still thinking, yeah, but does Luke have to download like. And I've been going.

[Luke Burbank]

Keeping me present in your mind during this.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I'm also trying to figure out my situation, too. And I will say that I think they keep on updating this with more information because people have these questions. I'm very familiar with this site that I'm on now, and I swear they've added even more clear language. First of all, up at the top, the big banner Headline is Root Sports stream. Hello baseball, goodbye blackouts. So maybe they really will staff the games and provide the games that are usually only on Apple tv. I don't know. We'll see. But there's a big Q and A. You know, it's like kind of a frequently asked question sort of set up. It says what the supported mechanisms are. I don't think they call them supported mechanisms. Supported web browsers are Safari and Chrome, iOS, Android smartphones and Apple TV. So if you just had an Apple TV, you could just put this app right on it. Amazon Fire tv, which is apparently still a thing or a Roku.

[Luke Burbank]

Listen, I once did their commercials, okay, that was a big deal for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Or a Roku like I mentioned. So it's like, okay, I have like a Hisense brand television that is a smart tv, but I won't be able to load the app onto it. We know that now. I'll probably end up having to buy a Roku if I want to do this personally. But this is where you come in and this is very specific language. Question. I already have Root Sports. Do I need the Root Sports app? App subscription? You ready for this? If you already have Root Sports through cable, satellite or a streaming service, you will not need to purchase the direct to consumer offer. You can continue to watch through your cable, satellite or streaming provider or you can log into the Root Sports stream app using the provider credentials. So you will have act for if for some reason you love your Fubo and you said that you like to take it with you and you could access everything. But if for some reason Fubo shits out on your phone or something, you can load this app onto the phone and using your Fubo credentials, log into this new app. I don't see why you would need to, but it sounds like they are not taking it off of Fubo.

[Luke Burbank]

There's one more wrinkle in this though, and I'm reading in Ryan Divish's piece, the great Ryan Divish, he's talking about this sports stream and he says, says the footprint includes Washington, Oregon, Montana, Alaska and portions of Idaho.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Now here's the thing as I join you from New York City today, there are a lot of times that I'm somewhere that's not in those four states. And what I love about my Fubo life is that I can easily get, you know, get all these things like if it's the NFL or whatever that's happening on, on my phone. Can you imagine a world in which I'm somewhere traveling for work and now I can't get the Mariners because I'm not in one of those four states that would be.

[Andrew Walsh]

They might do that.

[Luke Burbank]

Frustrating.

[Andrew Walsh]

This conversation has made me realize you have not lived through a wait. No. Did you have. Were you watching baseball via FUBO last year? Or is this the first baseball season that you'll have been experimenting with this?

[Luke Burbank]

I think this is my first baseball season trying this, so I guess I haven't really. Ooh boy, those are going to be some really annoying TBTLS for the listeners. Can you imagine? Like, I tune in already to watch Mitch Haniger ripping the ball.

[Andrew Walsh]

He's no longer a Mariner. He was. That was the premise of that. Sorry, I was like the Hannah goat Wrong.

[Luke Burbank]

Why did he pick Hannah Goat, of all people? But no, I mean, it'll be really annoying for the listeners if it's like there was a great game that everyone's chopping it up about on our text chain and I'm in like, you know, Denver trying to get it on my laptop, sitting in the hotel room and it's blacked out. Then. Then I'm suddenly you, Andrew. I'm on some sort of extra legal, gray market, deep dark website trying to get it because I'm not allowed to watch it, even though I'm paying for Fubo and I maybe even have the Mariner thing, I'm not allowed to watch it in some other part of the country because of I'm geofenced.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, this is the weirdest thing. This is the most ironic thing about the whole thing is during the regular baseball season, I actually have MLB tv, which means I can watch every single baseball game except for the ones happening in my market. So I can't watch Mariners games on that because that's the blackout restrictions. So if I go to New York, which I plan on doing to see Glenn Gary, Glen Ross, I got some tickets for me and Viv's. Yeah, I should have told you that if I go to New York, I can watch it on MLB TV because I'll be out of market. But then if I come home, I won't be able to watch it because MLB TV will black out the local market games, which is just such a ridiculous thing. So, yeah, I don't think you have. You're not a T Mobile customer, are you? If you're T Mobile, you can get MLB TV for free. I think it's going to be available next Tuesday or something. So I'll be downloading, I'll tell you this.

[Luke Burbank]

Or tomorrow T T Mobile, which I Am not a subscriber of. And they're not a sponsor of the show. They've done some smart things with the perks because if you are on Alaska Airlines, you get free WI FI with them too. And like, between the Mariners and free WI fi on Alaska Airlines, could you think. Or you know, mlb, I should say not Mariners. Yeah, I know. Of course, the whole point is it's not the Mariners, but let's just go with Major League Baseball writ large, a thing I'm interested in in. And getting free WI fi on the Alaska Airlines flights. Could you think of a couple of things that are more relevant to my day to day interest? And they're both things that T Mobile has finagled for their subscribers.

[Andrew Walsh]

And it's legitimately one of the reasons I will not leave T Mobile because of the baseball thing and because of the airplane thing. Like, I was just. I literally was having this conversation with Ders on Friday, just saying, like, yeah, I mean, I love the free. It's not full plane, free WI fi. I think they give you free WI fi for like a half hour or something, but free texting throughout the flight or something along those lines. But yeah, those little perks have really. Have really, like, kind of hooked me.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, those are the little things. I mean, over the course of. Of a year, how many times are you actually availing yourself on the flight? Probably once or twice. And the MLB thing is what it is. But like, it's funny how those things, which probably at the end of the year don't add up to a ton of money, just. Just like, psychologically add up to a ton of, like, loyalty.

[Andrew Walsh]

MLB TV is kind of. I mean, it's 25 bucks a month. And so if you were to pay for that for six months.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that's.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you know, adds up.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, Andrew, speaking of blackouts, can we please talk about the coach of the Liberty Flames NCAA basketball team who is named Richie McKay? And I just saw this. Like, I have a very weird relationship with NCAA basketball now, which is. I don't care about it. And some of that is because the Huskies are very bad currently. And some of it is because this is not the point of this conversation, but the way that with nil deals and everything, college basketball, it doesn't. It just feels like a stopover for us. Like a handful of guys that are going to the NBA but legally have to play one year of college basketball because of the rules. Not legally, but because of the rules of the NBA. And so they do. And they all are, you know, if they're really good, they're already millionaires because they have nil deals. And then they're just gone, which no shade on them. It just doesn't. It just seems like a real different thing than it was 10 years ago where you had, like, teams that were formed around players and they played together for years, and there was, like, a thing. Now it just feels very, very kind of mercenary to me. But putting that aside, the main story that I seen that I was seeing on Tick Tock coming out of the tournament was, was this guy Richie McKay's hairdo, which was like. He's got, you know, he's. He's. He's basically got like a kind of a. I don't know if widow's peak would be the exact way to describe it, but I think his natural hairline right now is, you know, pretty high forehead on both sides and then a little bit of a kind of isthmus of hair. That's what Letterman used to call it. He used to describe his isthmus of hair.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, yes.

[Luke Burbank]

And. And Richie McKay was being interviewed. I think at halftime, Liberty was being blown out by the Oregon Ducks. And I think I've told you this story before about Liberty University basketball. You know, it's a very, very conservative Christian college. I think it's in Lynchburg, Virginia. It was started by Jerry Falwell, I believe.

[Andrew Walsh]

I did not remember any of that.

[Luke Burbank]

And I remember that. And they play in one of these divisions. It's an automatic into the tournament. So it's like they basically, they will find themselves in the NCAA Tournament every once in a while while, because they've just won their. They've won their conference, I should say, even though the conference doesn't have a lot of teams that would be in, like, the top 25 or anything. You know what I mean? It's smaller schools, but they haven't. They have an automatic bid for whoever wins the conference. The other time I remember them winning the conference, the mummy was going to Liberty. I was a senior in high school, Mummy was a year ahead of me and had told us all that he had made the Liberty basketball team. And I was so, so psyched about this, telling all my friends. You will not believe this. And then Liberty qualified for the tournament that year. I think they played North Carolina in the first round, because what happens is when Liberty qualifies for the tournament, they're automatically like a 14 seed or something like way down the list. And then that means they always play a really high seed. And I remember I was At Nathan Hale, the game was on the TV in the like, student center. And I was all ready to see the mummy on the bench. Didn't see him there. And I thought, what a crazy, what a weird way to verify that somebody was not in fact on, like, what are the chances that this is the school that this person's attending for like six months? Because I think that was about the amount of time that he went there and that he makes up the story about like making it on the basketball team. And then that year the basketball team qualifies for the NCAA tournament and is playing a game that is being televised by cbs. Yes. At a time when I'm looking at a tv even though I'm a senior in high school, all of these things conspired to have me have this moment of being like, I'm going to see my friend on the bench for the Liberty Flames. And it did not happen. And that might have been what we call it, a leading indicator.

[Andrew Walsh]

But anyway, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. I know we're in a bit of a hurry, we got to talk about the hairline, but I do have some important follow ups to this story. So. Yes, one thing that is sort of surprising to me is like, if I found out that you were doing something like really big like that, I would be in a lot of communication with you. I guess we need to remember that.

[Luke Burbank]

No cell phone, nor.

[Andrew Walsh]

So no cell phones, no texting. So, you know, the communication is like, no Internet. No Internet. So you talk. Yeah, that's right. Like you would have, you would have seen him on social media or whatever. So none of that stuff going on. You just have a conversation via phone. He's off at college, he's like, yeah, I'm on the basketball team. And you're like, that's pretty cool. And you. But so that part sort of, you know, makes sense to me. But I also know that you were still in, you know, I think, I think it's okay to say, and you've indicated this, you have not, I think, hung out with him or been in communication with him in quite some time now. But you maintain a friendship with him for a long time after this particular story that you're talking about. At any point did you just say, so what was up with that?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't remember A, being that troubled by this, which is weird, or B, having a follow up conversation. I don't know how it resolved itself. I don't remember it being something where I was like, it was a real Kaiser Sosei moment. Yeah, And I was just like, wait a minute, he's not on the Liberty basketball team. Like, I don't know. I don't know how it was explained away or if it came up again or whatever. I just remember. It's weird that I remember where I was. I was in this room. I think we called it the AC or something, but it was like the. Where you would hang out in between classes, kind of adjacent to the lunchroom. And I remember there was a TV on in the corner and it was just running cbs, which was showing March Madness and being like, oh, this is so cool. I'm going to get to have this moment of seeing this person I know warming up with this basketball team. And yes, again, it should have probably been more of a red flag about future, let's just say credibility issues. But at the time, it didn't seem to rank. But you're also very right that it's crazy to think that this was a period of time where the way you found out stuff was somebody came home for Thanksgiving from college on the east coast and you're all playing basketball, because that's what we did all the time, pick up basketball with each other. And then somebody says something and then you just believe it, and you have no way to verify it. There's no independent verification, really. I mean, I guess I got to call the school, but you just don't even realize it's not happening until one day you're watching national television and observe that it does not seem to be plausible at that point, because you wouldn't.

[Andrew Walsh]

Be able to just that that would be the only way you would be able to see those games is when they finally made it to the national stage. Because no Internet. Okay. We are tight on time. So you want to talk more about hairlines, I believe.

[Luke Burbank]

I just. I feel bad for the Liberty coach, Richie McKay, who was being interviewed at halftime, I believe, when Liberty was being blown out yet again, this time by the Oregon Ducks. And he has done something to his hair where he's put down some sort of a. I don't know exactly what the product is. It's not topic, which is a thing that I have used in my hair a lot, which you kind of put in the areas of your hair where you have some hair, but not as much as you'd like. That's what topic does. This is something different. This is a little bit more like a kind of a shoe polish type of a deal or something that is filling in these kind of larger sections of forehead that are kind of imagine Them as culdesacs surrounding the isthmus of hair. And he's got a really kind of like very, very solid, I guess you would call it, hairline. Like a hairline that is. Does not have the jaggedness of a natural hairline that a person would have. That's kind of like the first dead giveaway is that it's so kind of like it's too uniform or whatever. But it's also surprising.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it's too straight.

[Luke Burbank]

It's way too straight. And the Internet quickly lost interest in the outcome of the basketball game and quickly picked up interest in what this guy was thinking and just has been mocking him, as the Jerker boys would say, unmerciful for the last few days. And I feel bad for this guy because I know exactly, exactly the thought process, which is I'm probably going to be on national TV a little insecure about kind of like what my hair is doing these days. Is there something. And I have this feeling all the time about various issues with my head, face and body. Right. Particularly right before I'm about to go do like a TV thing, but just generally. And like, I know the feeling of being in the hotel room and knowing I'm gonna go somewhere where they're gonna be turning like cameras on and lights and feeling real crummy about my look and thinking, what could I do right now? What can I do to fix this so that I'll feel less crummy about my look? And that's exactly the process that this guy went through. Because it sounds like by all accounts this is a new look for him. There's some people who follow Liberty basketball who are like, yeah, it didn't look like this earlier in the season. Like, this isn't this guy's deal. There used to be a guy who was the coach of the Purdue Boilermakers, Gene Katie, who just had a world class comb over. And by that I mean world class bad comb over. But he had it for 50 seasons. It was just like, that's just Gene Katie. That's just what Gene Katie do. This was like a thing this guy debuted for this game. And like, there's no way that it has not gotten back to him that everybody is ripping him for this. Like, it's like his hair. From what I could tell, he has a totally fine hairline for being a person of his age. Like, nobody would have commented. In fact, maybe what I can do is take a lesson from this, which is nobody has comment, would have been commenting about this guy's hair if he was Just talking about the basketball game. He's. His hair like a dude has like a person has.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I saw the before photo of what he usually looks like with his like, you know, I'm just going to call it kind of a widow's peak kind of thing. Yeah, I, you know, I don't even have that anymore because my hairline, I just have a little bit of strands up there. But like in my, the men in my family, like my dad, my uncle, my grandfather, they all had that sort of like kind of widow's peaky thing. And I always said that their faces were the shape of Ohio with Lake Erie coming down in the middle there. So sort of that. So he, but he just looks like a guy of a certain age with like mostly a head of hair except he's losing like it up by his temples heading back, you know, and, but it's not even that bad. I mean again, I'm talking here more and more as just a straight up bald myself. But it just, you know, like I would have taken that hair. He looks like a guy of a certain age who's a good looking guy.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. Like, like it's. He, he made it infinitely worse with this decision. And again, maybe what my takeaway can be. No funny stuff burbs, just leave it alone. Just get out there, get after it, don't try. Because you know, again, I'm always, there's always something going on with me that I'm like, if only this one thing weren't happening. Whether it's a pimple or my weird eye sty or my just there's always something. And, and again, I think probably I am the most aware of my. Whatever my something is on that given day. And I'm probably that the chances of making it worse by trying something extreme like shoe polishing my forehead up is I'm sure a worse outcome than just kind of leaning in, just, just, just, just being me and just having faith that the rest of the world can roll with it. The other thing that's really interesting about this is he's pulling a toad. Little Carlos Boozer. Now this will not probably ring any bells for you, Andrew, but there's been a previous incident of exactly this kind of hair care situation on a basketball court that is legendary among NBA fans. And that is there is a guy named Carlos Boozer who is a NBA player for many years, I believe he was a Duke graduate. And he, I guess his hair was kind of, you know, maybe thinning on top. I know he kept it pretty short. He's an African American guy. So it's like, I don't know it all. If you would have said Carlos Boozer to me before this day, I would have been like, oh, the guy from Duke. I would have never been like, the guy whose hair is thinning.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I do know this. I'm looking at the photos. I do know this, because there was another guy who did almost this exact same thing. It might have been a college football coach who did almost this exact same thing recently during the last season. And so everybody kept calling him, like, they were all comparing him to calling him Booer. So I had to go and look up what the Boozer reference was.

[Luke Burbank]

The thing that's so great about the Carlos Boozer story is, okay, so he shows up at a game one day, and he's just got. His whole head is sort of blacked out with this on the scalp level with something very similar to what this guy Richie McKay did, except more extreme because it goes around his whole head. And like, the. The greatest part of it is now Carlos Boozer is very much on the record as laughing about and being like. I don't know what I was thinking, like, the. As opposed to being defensive about it or like, there's nothing that makes me happier than hearing, like, old NBA heads talking to Carlos Boozer about what he was thinking with that hairdo. It just gives me such joy in life. So it's just surprising to me that this guy, Richard McKay, he's a basketball person. He has to be aware of the Carlos Boozer situation. And he still. He still decided to roll the dice on it, and it had a pretty bad outcome for. For him.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it does. I mean, this is. This is real paint your bald spot territory. Here it is.

[Luke Burbank]

Paint your bald spot. What bald spot?

[Andrew Walsh]

What bald spot?

[Luke Burbank]

My hair, it grows. This is where I try to do the whole thing. All right. Okay. That is. I've got to go paint my bald spot before I record a bunch of livewire today.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why?

[Luke Burbank]

It's a radio show. I don't know. It just makes me feel better. So that's going to do things for today, but we are going to be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for all of you. So please, if you can join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves. Use wisdom when painting your bald spots. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

What bald spot? Good luck to all.

[Luke Burbank]

My hair grows. I just noticed something that in one of your interviews with John Candy, I believe it looked like an older interview.

[Andrew Walsh]

You had less hair than you have today.

[Luke Burbank]

How do you explain that?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't wear a wig, sir. Paint your bald spot.

[Luke Burbank]

What bald spot. You paint your bald spot. I don't know what you're talking about, sir. My hair grows, you paint your bald spot. I don't have a bald spot. How come you had less hair on the tape? Maybe my hair grew. Maybe I had a bad haircut that day.

[Andrew Walsh]

By the way, something.

[Luke Burbank]

What do you care? Paint your bald spot. I don't. Do you paint your bald spot.

[Andrew Walsh]

Paint your bald spot.

[Luke Burbank]

Sick. Power out.