Luke Burbank (3:55)

Good morning, Luke. I've made a huge mistake here.

Andrew Walsh (3:59)

I realize in the words of most Bluth family members.

Luke Burbank (4:03)

That's right. Have you ever seen we got Job chicken?

Andrew Walsh (4:07)

We've got jobs. We've got Job saying it. Right. We've got Michael saying it.

Luke Burbank (4:11)

Yeah. I think it was a jobism that sort of then got into the water supply of show, if you will. But the reason I've made a mistake here is because I want, I realize I need an audio element for the show and usually I would pick those out in advance and I did not do that today. So I got to play this directly from YouTube and I have no idea.

Andrew Walsh (4:29)

Let me buy you a moment if.

Luke Burbank (4:30)

It'S even going to. Well, I think I'm ready here. I just don't know if it's going to. Here it is. We have an Eyewitness news report here, Luke. They're my eyes, by the way.

Andrew Walsh (4:44)

Would you call this TBTL on your side?

Luke Burbank (4:46)

This is TBTL on your side. This is an Eyewitness News update. The eyes are mine. The update is mine. The report is mine. It's all mine.

Andrew Walsh (4:55)

Really? Called your own number on this one.

Luke Burbank (4:57)

I really did. I'm just, you know, you really gotta Promote yourself these days. I just want to close the loop on something we talked about last week. Again, this is sports adjacent, but like you, I have no desire to get dangerous territory. It's not for me, though. I will take it as a challenge. I have no desire to talk about actual sports, but we had a very long conversation about what is going on at T Mobile park during Mariners games and the return of the song Louie Louie. Now we've established Louis Lewis, also known in some quarters, some very, very small quarters, as Lewis Lewis. And, you know, we had talked in great detail that Macklemore temporarily, for a couple of seasons, his song replaced the. The classic Louie Louie, Louie Louie is now back. But as I had read online and as you had verified with people with the team, it's not the original Louie Louie. It's a. It's a remix. It's like. And the thing that was really sticking in my head is there were a couple of listeners chatting about this online, and they said, we've been to games. It is not a remix. It's the original. I swear, I would have noticed. And I sort of felt like there was a lot of kind of gaslighting going on around. And that sort of lived in my head, too, because I could imagine if you're at a game and you're like, everybody is saying this is a remix, but it sounds like the original. So here's the deal. And for.

Andrew Walsh (6:15)

And I also, for the record, I tried to get.

Luke Burbank (6:17)

For.

Andrew Walsh (6:17)

I tried to get a copy of the song from the Mariners, and they refused to provide. I have filed a FOIA request, by the way. We'll wait for that to work its way through the courts.

Luke Burbank (6:27)

In this case. It was not for immediate release, and so we had that. We had to have. Maybe this is more of an ear witness news update, now that I think about it, not an eyewitness news update. I was there on Saturday evening and I was like, everybody. I said, everybody. R. Everybody, shut up. I want to hear what's going. I want to hear what's going on. Like, is it such a subtle remix that some people wouldn't even notice it? Well, anyway, it is not subtle. It's not. It's not bad, by the way. It's not terrible. I've been thinking about air horns that.

Andrew Walsh (6:56)

Give it away as a remix.

Luke Burbank (6:58)

No, it just starts with, like, a really strong drum beat to kind of get everybody pumped. And then it's like basically Louie Louie. But, like, it's such a. I could even see maybe not noticing because it's like kind of mixed into this fan experience. And they've added a couple of lines where the whole crowd yell let's go Mariners. Or something. I find it to be generally inoffensive. It doesn't even really matter how I feel about it. It's fine, it's fine. But having heard that on Saturday night, I'm just like, could I imagine being at the ball game noting the song that Louie Louie is back and not noting that it's a remix? And I'm like, I guess maybe you're just kind of in the, you know, in the moment. And it is very much part of this kind of fan experience. And there's stuff going on on the Jumbotron like maybe you just don't notice it. But that also seemed like not exactly fair to our sharp eared listeners who I know were at a recent game and were commenting about this online. Well then I opened up my email this morning, Luke, and I saw that I got an email from listener Annie who says, yes, they are playing a remix of the song, but on Sundays they play the classic non remix version of Louie Louie. I'm not sure why, but the listener who said that they were playing the old version isn't WR. Were probably @ a Sunday game. Luke. I can verify that one of these people was at a Sunday game specifically because they mentioned that. So it just. I felt. It feels so good to get ears on it but also be able to like sort of like relieve everybody of this sort of gaslighting of like can I not believe my own ears of what I heard at the ball.

Andrew Walsh (8:29)

Don't believe your lion ears.

Luke Burbank (8:30)

What is that? Well, that's a. Oh, your lion eyes.

Andrew Walsh (8:34)

Yeah, yeah. Songs Ear Witness news. Well, no, there's a. There's a kind of famous political unfortunately. But this is really a great place to take it on a Monday. The idea of like basically telling people what they're seeing isn't what they're seeing. And there's a phrase don't believe your lion eyes that goes around related to that. This was a play on that. Don't believe your lion ears because this is auditory. But anyway.

Luke Burbank (8:54)

But is that also a song though? Is that what the political.

Andrew Walsh (8:56)

You can't hide your lion eyes.

Luke Burbank (8:58)

You can't hide your lion. I believe. Okay.

Andrew Walsh (9:00)

There ain't no way to hide your lion eye.

Luke Burbank (9:03)

And it's not lying like a rawr.

Andrew Walsh (9:06)

I don't believe so. That would be such a different song and I would actually find it really interesting. It is a song. Is that an eagle song by the.

Luke Burbank (9:14)

Way I'm looking it up now, it is an eagle song.

Andrew Walsh (9:16)

Imagine an eagle song where they're on a. Like a. One of those safaris where you drive around like great adventurers.

Luke Burbank (9:23)

Yeah. Right.

Andrew Walsh (9:24)

As a kid. And there's just. They're in the car, they've got the wind, they got the windows up, they're told it's safe. But there is a lion that's hiding just. Just off the roadway. And Don Henley is like, there ain't no way to hide those lion eyes.

Luke Burbank (9:36)

Don Felder's like, hey, O. Sorry, Is it Don Felder? No. I must be wrong. There weren't two Dons in that one band.

Andrew Walsh (9:44)

There. There were. There were.

Luke Burbank (9:45)

Well. Really? Well, it didn't even occur to me. Yeah. That Don Felder is the guy we've been talking about because he's coming to the EQC casino and don't failed you as a.

Andrew Walsh (9:54)

As a co host and a scary monster. How do I not have my Don. How do I not have my Don Felder audio ready to go? It's. It's some. It's somewhere buried deep within the. The audio pages here. But I apologize to everyone. If Don Felder is referenced on the show, we have to play that Eagles. Yeah. Let's see. So who. Who was in the. Who was in the Eagles? Joe Walsh. Right.

Luke Burbank (10:18)

And. And there's a Fry, right?

Andrew Walsh (10:20)

Glenn Fry.

Luke Burbank (10:20)

Glenn Fry, later.

Andrew Walsh (10:22)

Of Smugglers Blues fame.

Luke Burbank (10:24)

Am I like, I. I know Don Henley, right? Wasn't Don Henley. You're absolutely right. I'm just. I'm asking you as. As a friend, do you think that's.

Andrew Walsh (10:34)

The man who brought rock and roll.

Luke Burbank (10:36)

Edge to the Eagles?

Andrew Walsh (10:37)

I will never, ever move this off of my main page. I really apologize.

Luke Burbank (10:42)

That's a high quotient of dons for.

Andrew Walsh (10:44)

It's a lot of Dons.

Luke Burbank (10:45)

Right. Like, it's a lot of dons. I'm not making too big deal of that.

Andrew Walsh (10:47)

When you think about it, Don Sich Fest.

Luke Burbank (10:50)

Really don't miss the Don.

Andrew Walsh (10:52)

The Don't Fest.

Luke Burbank (10:54)

That's hard to say, but like. Yeah, there aren't a lot of, like, it's. Don't. I don't know how calm. I had a friend growing up named Don and he was a junior, so I guess I knew two Don's growing up. I know Don doesn't wear shorts. I learned that from the Sopranos, but. I don't know, I just don't feel like that. Is that common of a name for one band to have two men named Don?

Andrew Walsh (11:12)

Yeah. Well, did Donovan. Do we know any of his backup players? Was there, like, another Don? Although Donovan's not the kind of person you'd call a Don. Right?

Luke Burbank (11:21)

I don't think. I don't feel like that guy would go by that guy. Would Donovan Letch is not going by Don. Well, actually, you know, speaking of audio, I do have that bit where Donovan is playing Hurdy Gertie man live somewhere, and he's telling the story about how he was playing it for the Beatles. And I think Donovan does an imitation of George Harrison.

Andrew Walsh (11:46)

I remember this.

Luke Burbank (11:47)

I could write a verse for that song, Don. So maybe if you're a Beatle, you can actually hear. You ready for this? I can play it for you right here. I got it.

Andrew Walsh (11:55)

Absolutely.

Luke Burbank (11:57)

Oh, no, this is two minutes.

Andrew Walsh (12:01)

I could write a verse for that song. Dumb.

Luke Burbank (12:04)

See? So apparently if you're a Beatle.

Andrew Walsh (12:11)

Hey, Andrew, can I activate another bit of audio here that. That lets us know we do have a sports update related to the TBTL Junior Sluggers here that I want to get to before there's too much, you know, too much show in the rear view mirror. This is from coach Ben, of course. As I mentioned, the top of the show, Tbzl Jr. Sluggers are the team that we sponsor in the Parkside Little League. Coach Ben says it's been a while since my last update. So here's an update on two little sluggers contests. Last Saturday we had a home game. A home game against the Faustorian fixtures. That's right, Andrew. The Faust Aurelian fixtures. This is apparently the name of one of the teams they played. F A U S T R O L L E A N Fixtures of the Wilshire Riverside Little League. I couldn't tell you what a Faustorian fixture is, and neither could the head coach of the team when I asked him. I believe this is the name of their team sponsor, but I couldn't bother to Google. Sorry.

Luke Burbank (13:17)

Oh, okay. That makes. I was talking about Faust. Another name for the devil, too. I thought I was getting in some Dem territory.

Andrew Walsh (13:23)

Well, I think I learned something about this from you, Andrew, recently, which is that I have gone very far into my adult life misunderstanding who the bargain was with in a fian. Bargain?

Luke Burbank (13:35)

Was this us that had this conversation?

Andrew Walsh (13:38)

Well, it was me, and I think you, because I always thought that Faust was the name of the devil, and I think F was the name of the guy.

Luke Burbank (13:48)

No, no, no, no, no. I think you're right because I'm looking it up as you talk. But you. I did not school you on this because I am learning this for the first time too. I just. What did I just say? I thought Faust was the devil. But you're right, I did too, until.

Andrew Walsh (14:01)

Like a month ago I learned this.

Luke Burbank (14:03)

No, that's not me. I can't take credit for that because I'm learning this for the first time. That's interesting. Okay.

Andrew Walsh (14:09)

What I think is important here is if anybody doesn't like TBTL as their team name, try Faust Aurelian Fixtures and get back to me. I think we, I think the, the Little Sluggers, AKA the Gators, should be very appreciative that they just. All they got from us was tbtl. Yeah, Ben says I won't bury the lead here. This was the best, most complete game of baseball we've played all year. Your TBTL junior sluggers came roaring out of the gate in the top of the first. Baxter made short work of the Faust Derrillian fixtures, striking out the side in less than five minutes. That's, I mean honestly, that's like Brian Wu levels of efficiency. Andrew, majorly. In the bottom of the inning, our offense came alive, stringing together hits and walks to score the five run limit. It was our first time hitting entirely through our 12 person lineup and the team was pumped. Baxter continued his dominance in the second inning, seeding one hit but not giving up any runs. By the way, at this level of play, that is any inning where you don't give up a run is pretty special.

Luke Burbank (15:12)

Yes, absolutely.

Andrew Walsh (15:14)

Let's see. Unfortunately, our offense couldn't repeat our first inning success. The Sluggers clearly sensed blood in the water, were simply too eager in their approach. Things spiraled in the third. Our unnamed pitcher struggled to find the zone. And the Fausterillians, or would it be the Fixtures? Ben wonders, had some opportunistic hits. Really just squigglers that got through the infield. We ended up the frame knotted up at 5. Bryson then came in to pitch and continued his dominance on the mound. Notched several strikeouts, made a solid defensive play in the field. In the bottom of the fourth, potentially the last inning of the game, the Sluggers loaded the bases with no outs. The winning run just 60ft from 60ft from home. Unfortunately, a pitching change threw us off our stride. They probably brought in a lefty on lefty matchup.

Luke Burbank (15:59)

Right? Right.

Andrew Walsh (16:00)

I hate these friggin saber metrics.

Luke Burbank (16:02)

Oh man, just these managers that are.

Andrew Walsh (16:04)

Just absolutely just like 100, they're chained to their left on left matchups. It just takes the fun out of the game. The pitching threw us off our stride and our bats suddenly went quiet. Unable to capitalize on this opportunity, we went somewhere we haven't been all season. The fifth inning.

Luke Burbank (16:23)

Oh.

Andrew Walsh (16:25)

Bryson came back out. Oh, look at that. Going for. Looking for the seven. Looking for the what? Seven batter save or like, you know, what do they do with Munoz on the Mariner? It's always like, is he gonna get a. Is he gonna get a four out save? That's always like a big question.

Luke Burbank (16:38)

Right? Right. More than one inning. Yep.

Andrew Walsh (16:40)

Yeah, right. Bryson came back out and was snapping pitches into the strike zone. But with one out, a Faustro, rhymes with Astro, rocketed a triple into the deep outfield. Did I hear a trash banging before the fateful pitch? Perhaps. Ben. I don't take no. Don't take no crap from these Faust Aurelian fixtures. If, if this kid rounded the bases and wouldn't let the rest of the team rip his jersey off.

Luke Burbank (17:07)

If these kids aren't ripping off their jerseys as they come in at home.

Andrew Walsh (17:11)

The kid interviewed after the game. The kid was like, I got a tattoo and I didn't want my wife to see it. We said we weren't going to talk about baseball, but we are using the sluggers as a way to talk about Jose Altuve's very thin excuses for why he had to keep his shirt on.

Luke Burbank (17:28)

By the way, he was in, I was listening, I think, to a Royals game this weekend, and he was booed in Kansas City as well. So I'm glad that he's. I know he's still getting booed up in Seattle because of the cheating scandal, but I'm glad to know that other team, that other fan bases around the country are still booing him. I mean, that is getting pretty long in the tooth, as you say, right? That scandal. It's more than five years now. Well, more than five years years, I think.

Andrew Walsh (17:52)

I mean, I would say. And listen, I don't know the guy. I will be honest with you. The couple of interviews I saw with him, he actually seems very sweet, which is kind of mess. Kind of. And he's also Poquito. He is teeny tiny.

Luke Burbank (18:04)

Yeah.

Andrew Walsh (18:05)

And like, there's like, if he was on a. Let's say he was a Kansas City royal and there was never a cheating scandal, he'd be one of my favorite MLB players, honestly.

Luke Burbank (18:13)

I think I agree. I've said this to Viv. This is totally off base, what I'm about to say in that I have no, I don't think I have much to back this Up. But I've said to these. And by the way, this is definitely not about baseball, listeners. And after I say what I'm about to say, you're gonna wish to hell that I'd go back to talking about baseball. But I think that he has the most powerful testosterone. There's something about that man that looks like he could shave immediately before a game but have a full beard by the six.

Andrew Walsh (18:43)

Is it because he is the size of that baby that's in the like the Looney Tunes. But it's like a baby who shaves. He's like a gangster baby.

Luke Burbank (18:52)

Probably like pick up a car and slam it back and forth or something like that. Yeah, maybe that's something about him that just seems so small and powerful. And I swear I see him like getting a five o'clock shadow during games.

Andrew Walsh (19:09)

Now. Let's see. With a Faustero, rhymes with Astero, rocketed a triple into the deep outfield. Now the tables were turned and the sluggers had to stop the go ahead run. Bryson got a quick strikeout, but then walked the next batter who advanced to second on a passed ball. With two outs, two on. Bryson induced a weak ground ball back to the mound. Rather than toss it to first for the force out, he spun to third and threw it to Atlas to tag the runner advancing from second. In many contexts, this would have been the correct heads up play. However, the unforced out at third occurred after the lead runner crossed home plate. The result? The outstands, but the run scores. After such a dramatic inning, our bats again went silent in the bottom of the inning. End result. Fastas rhymes with shastas 6, sluggers 5. End result aside, this was a great game of baseball with a bit of everything. An evenly matched, well fought batter with offense, defense, teamwork, and even some mild drama caused by questionable calls by the umpire. I would happily take a loss like this any day. I cannot say the same about our next match.

Luke Burbank (20:13)

Can I pause here for a second before we get into the next match? So am I right that if we've gotten reports on every game so far, we won our first one and now have lost three in a row? Is that where we are?

Andrew Walsh (20:25)

I think we might. Where again, we're sort of. We're running a little behind the real time on this team in the sense that I think they've played maybe four or five games since our last update, but as of this update, I thought I had them. Yeah, maybe one in three or maybe one in three.

Luke Burbank (20:41)

I think that last update you just gave we're now one in three.

Andrew Walsh (20:44)

Yeah, that would make sense.

Luke Burbank (20:45)

Okay. All right.

Andrew Walsh (20:46)

And I think we're heading towards one in four because after coach Ben said he would take a loss like that any day, he said, I cannot say the same about our next match against the Hollywood Rose City Sluggers. Yeah, that was their real name. Okay, first of all, copyright infringe much. Hollywood Rose City Sluggers. That's our pretend name.

Luke Burbank (21:07)

Wait a second. Is this the second time we faced them?

Andrew Walsh (21:11)

No, I think that they're. Well, they weren't. I, I, this is the first that I remember encountering a team that has sluggers in the name.

Luke Burbank (21:17)

Oh, sluggers.

Andrew Walsh (21:19)

I think Hollywood Rose City is another league and I think we might have faced a different Hollywood road, didn't we? Weren't they like the Intimidators or something?

Luke Burbank (21:26)

That may. So Hollywood Rose. Okay, that makes sense. I swear I, I swore.

Andrew Walsh (21:31)

I swore.

Luke Burbank (21:33)

Please stop. I'm really getting into Scott boy territory here. But yeah, okay. Just, I felt for a second I was like, wait, Hollywood Rose. I swore I heard that. Okay, I see. Okay.

Andrew Walsh (21:44)

I think this might be another team. Yeah. Rather than recall the details. Andrew, if there are children in the room, please cover their ears. Rather than recall the details of a 15 to 1 drubbing.

Luke Burbank (21:55)

Jeez Louise.

Andrew Walsh (21:56)

Now here's what we aren't talking about. Jose Altuve was starting for the Hollywood Roasting Slayers.

Luke Burbank (22:01)

Right.

Andrew Walsh (22:02)

Wearing one of their uniforms. And that was unfair.

Luke Burbank (22:04)

Right.

Andrew Walsh (22:05)

Let me just share some moderately interesting facts about our little sluggers. Prior to picking the name Gators and before they were christened the Junior Sluggers by an unnamed podcast, the leading contender for team name was Sigma. Boys, I vetoed this option as I didn't know what it meant in nine year old vernacular.

Luke Burbank (22:28)

Huh?

Andrew Walsh (22:31)

Sticking out your gut for the wrestler.

Luke Burbank (22:33)

Yes, because you know, you know all about that.

Andrew Walsh (22:36)

You're so skibidi. You're my Sigma. That name would have been Ohio is what all I can say about Right.

Luke Burbank (22:41)

Because Sigma is like, it's like the ultimate like buff dude, right? Isn't that what Sigma is?

Andrew Walsh (22:47)

I think that's what I. That's what we learned months ago from, I think like a listener's kid or something. 2. We only have one lefty on our team and that's wilder. And while some worry that this makes us vulnerable against Rugie relief pitching, I was right on. I don't know what rugi means actually, Andrew, have you seen the term rugie? R O O G y.

Luke Burbank (23:07)

No. Does that relief kind of is that.

Andrew Walsh (23:10)

Well, I assume The R and rugie is for righty.

Luke Burbank (23:13)

Yeah, that makes sense. Sure.

Andrew Walsh (23:14)

That are has failed to materialize. This is the good news. We only have one lefty, but it hasn't hurt us is what coach Ben is saying. Number three, fun fact about your junior sluggers. When polled about their favorite professional team, a plurality of players chose the Dodgers. Andrew, cover your ears. Not a single player, including my own son, named my hometown Cleveland Guardians. Oh, do you know that Ben's a Shaker Heights guy?

Luke Burbank (23:38)

I had forgotten, I'll be honest. But you did mention that we share that. And it's a sad state of affairs because I believe Ben was dropping some, like, kind of classic Cleveland, you know, guys lay your names like last year. And I just, I can't bro down on that because even though I, you.

Andrew Walsh (23:57)

Know, some Carlos by Erga.

Luke Burbank (23:58)

I might have been like, that name rings a bell to me. But I. I did. I think I actively disliked baseball or I don't know if I actively dislike baseball, but I certainly had no interest in it when I lived in Cleveland.

Andrew Walsh (24:09)

I had to double check if Carlos Byerga was in fact a Cleveland baseball player. He was. I'll take the W in place of the sluggers getting a W. Fun fact number four. Reports from the snack shack indicate that the team's favorite snow cone flavor is rainbow, a misnomer for the brownish liquid that results from mixing the four colored syrups together. We play our next game Saturday. Now, this is kind of actually old news, but they. They were playing at Fernwood park in East Portland, Andrew. And I'm sure that we're going to get an update on those games as well. I have to say, it's. It's not about wins or losses. It's how you play the games. And I still think the junior sluggers are playing the games. Well.

Luke Burbank (24:51)

Can I say something?

Andrew Walsh (24:53)

You never, ever, ever, ever let me get the W on hitting the post.

Luke Burbank (24:58)

No. It was beautiful. I let it ring.

Andrew Walsh (25:00)

I know.

Luke Burbank (25:00)

What are you talking about?

Andrew Walsh (25:01)

I'm so proud of that.

Luke Burbank (25:02)

It was good, but I let it ring out. And now I want to say, okay, we're one in four now, by our count, the TV tail, junior sluggers. We're hoping for a hotter start, but that's okay. I would never. I mean, these are kids. I would never like kind of point fingers or play any kind of a blame game when it comes to junior sluggers. Having said that, at a certain point, we might want to start looking at the coaching. We might. We just might have to have those conversations.

Andrew Walsh (25:28)

What I Hear. What I hear in these descriptions are a coach who is working with a lot of tools. A lot of actually, you know what I mean? Like, you've got. You've got. Sounds like we're getting some pretty solid pitching from Baxter. Sounds like Atlas has third base lockdown currently.

Luke Burbank (25:42)

It's not a talent thing.

Andrew Walsh (25:43)

No, it doesn't seem like. I mean, this team went out and spent money in the offseason, right?

Luke Burbank (25:47)

Our money.

Andrew Walsh (25:48)

So you have to.

Luke Burbank (25:54)

I love you, Ben. I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing.

Andrew Walsh (25:58)

These are great. All right. Go, sluggers. We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set.

Luke Burbank (26:08)

Get set now. Ready?

Andrew Walsh (26:10)

Ready, Go, everybody. Razzle dazzle. Hey, let's thank some dazzling donors. These are some amazing, generous folks who are keeping TBTL going with their donations of a dazzling amount of dough. And it's the only way this thing can happen. Thanks to folks like our friend and our grocery correspondent. Rolled Palomaria.

Luke Burbank (26:35)

I think I've rolled all the time when I'm in grocery stores.

Andrew Walsh (26:37)

Whenever you're in a lot of grocery.

Luke Burbank (26:39)

Stores, it's my happy place. I literally told Genevieve the other day, I'm like, I'm going to the grocery store. She's like, do we need stuff? I'm like, I just need to calm down, dude.

Andrew Walsh (26:45)

I kind of was. I. I was realizing today because I've been gone a lot lately. I was gone all of last week. I got home and I realized, so my dad was here. Mail stop.

Luke Burbank (26:55)

Oh, I saw you waving.

Andrew Walsh (26:57)

Yeah, my dad was here. So the plan had been for me to be home last week and for my dad and I to work together on some projects around here. And it ended up being the case that I was out of town the whole week. And so my dad might have still had the plan to come here, so he was just kind of working. The first thing is I don't think my dad brought in any food, and I don't think he purchased any food. And also, there was barely any food consumed from my house. I don't know what he subsisted on while he was here.

Luke Burbank (27:25)

Nutty buddies, probably. Right?

Andrew Walsh (27:27)

Probably nutty buddies. But, like, I'm worried for him because it's like, I feel like there should have been more. More food should have been missing from the refrigerator for there being an adult person, like, living here for five days.

Luke Burbank (27:39)

Well, all I would say is check your booze bottle, see if that vodka starts freezing.

Andrew Walsh (27:43)

Absolutely. Absolutely. Cleared me out, drank me out of house and home.

Luke Burbank (27:49)

Right.

Andrew Walsh (27:50)

But. So anyway, but this was my thought this morning. I was kind of like, you getting some, like, looking in the fridge, checking things out, and I was like, oh, this is gonna be a fun day. Because first of all, I get to throw a bunch of stuff out of the fridge. Things that my dad should have thrown out. Like, there's an artichoke from the 1990s that's in there. There's just like some low carb tortillas that have seen better days. I'm gonna clean that fridge out. And also, critically, Andrew, I then get to go and I get to resupply for the week because I'll be here all week. I can buy some fixins, I can make myself some home cooking. I haven't been able to make any food at home for a long time. So anyway, all that is to say it is, and maybe it's our age, it's a great joy to get to go to the grocery store.

Luke Burbank (28:31)

It really is.

Andrew Walsh (28:32)

Have your little list and kind of. Now the difference between you and I is for me, the ideal would be if I can go to the grocery store and knock out the whole week's shopping. And I think you kind of rather do it day by day if you can.

Luke Burbank (28:43)

A little bit by bit. Yeah. And I'm getting. We can talk more about this, I guess, like in maybe next week as it gets closer. But I'm already some of the. I've been remarkably chill about the colonoscopy in my future and about the diet and stuff that goes along with it. And I think I've been remarkably chill about it because it sort of seemed like a tomorrow problem for a while.

Andrew Walsh (29:04)

Future, Andrew.

Luke Burbank (29:05)

Yeah. But as tomorrows tend to go, it's getting ever closer. And so I was sort of thinking like, because what did I eat today?

Andrew Walsh (29:12)

It's like, well, yellow number five, right? You had a giant serving of yellow number five.

Luke Burbank (29:19)

I had like a bowl of Cheerios. I'm like, oh, I can't do Cheerios. Because that's like kind of fibrous or whatever. And then I was like, oh, yeah, I was putting oranges on the grocery list. I told you. I've been eating so many oranges and green apples lately. I've just been really in a mood.

Andrew Walsh (29:32)

I think green apples are okay.

Luke Burbank (29:33)

Green apples are okay. That's not too fibrous.

Andrew Walsh (29:35)

Just don't eat the seeds.

Luke Burbank (29:37)

Oh, okay. That's really good to know.

Andrew Walsh (29:39)

Double check that, please.

Luke Burbank (29:41)

I eat like one or two of those A day usually. And like, I kind of cut them.

Andrew Walsh (29:45)

Up more horse than man.

Luke Burbank (29:46)

I do love them.

Andrew Walsh (29:47)

Sometimes I'll just feed you an apple just to kind of calm you down.

Luke Burbank (29:50)

Exactly.

Andrew Walsh (29:51)

I hold it right up to your side.

Luke Burbank (29:53)

You got to be careful, though. You got to be careful because I guess you don't want to pull away a stump.

Andrew Walsh (29:57)

Yeah, exactly. Well, anyway, Rolled is our grocery store correspondent and is in Puyallup, Washington and says, hi, friendos. This is listener Rolled, no longer of North Bend. We bought a house in April. We're now living in Puyallup.

Luke Burbank (30:09)

Hey, that's awesome. Congrats.

Andrew Walsh (30:11)

That's really rad, man. Way to go. It was a bit of an adjustment for the family, but I think we're getting used to it. My commute has doubled, so the occasional three hour show would be appreciated for you, Rolled, anything.

Luke Burbank (30:23)

Oh, yeah.

Andrew Walsh (30:23)

Let's easily do three hours on this Bill Belichick story that we're going to talk about. Thank you as always, for being my daily companions. Thanks to employee numero uno, John, for being awesome and thank you to this great community of tens for being there for me and each other. This is special. This is special. Power out, Roald. You and your family are special and we've loved getting to know you and them and, and thank you for, for, for making this possible. I got a text from our friend, you know our friend Camaro, Kev, JD and Thunder, they do a variety of podcasts, stack of dimes, you blew it, things like that. Our buddy from that podcast, John, sent me a picture of a, of a vehicle with a TBTL vanity license plate that. Oh, I'm guessing we know this person, but I don't know whose vehicle this is. I don't recognize this. And said it's somebody who is a parent at the school that his kids go to.

Luke Burbank (31:20)

Interesting.

Andrew Walsh (31:21)

And this person is a self proclaimed fan. So shout out if you've got a TBTL bumper sticker with an Oakland Raiders surround. Which, by the way, we love that, that. We love that Flex. Old school Raiders, OG Raiders. Shout out to you. Thank you for. Thanks for repping the show.

Luke Burbank (31:37)

And that's Washington State, Luke.

Andrew Walsh (31:39)

Washington.

Luke Burbank (31:39)

There's gonna only be one, right? There can only be one thing there.

Andrew Walsh (31:42)

There can only be two cars enter one car, leave Kumite. Well, that's the thing. There used to be, I thought a Subaru maybe that one's a TBTL 10.

Luke Burbank (31:53)

There are a TBTL 10s. And also, so I think in Oregon there are some. Right. Like Cheryl.

Andrew Walsh (32:01)

So this this was. This. As far as I remember, this was. And again, it's the Oakland Raiders license plate surround that really jumps out at.

Luke Burbank (32:07)

Me, especially on a Washington state car.

Andrew Walsh (32:09)

Yeah, yeah, you love to see it. So shout out to that person. And again, this show is able to exist because of this community and the support from folks like Roald. So thank you so much. Maestro, on your mark. On your mark. Get set, get set now.

Luke Burbank (32:24)

Ready?

Andrew Walsh (32:24)

Ready, go. Everybody, rattle dazzle, it's our friend Candy Norris Brewster in Port Murray, New Jersey. Candy as in Dandy Brewster as in Rooster? Are we still allowed to say that, Candy Ask. I think so.

Luke Burbank (32:40)

I think so. Is that just a. Is that a. I'm even wondering what. What could we not say there? Or is that just a totally random joke? Oh, dandy. Oh, yeah, I think so.

Andrew Walsh (32:49)

Well, somebody being a dandy was sort of coded for maybe being gay back in the day.

Luke Burbank (32:54)

I guess so, yeah, certainly.

Andrew Walsh (32:56)

But I would like to back and maybe, you know, decode it. Could we do that? Because I think sometimes I feel like a bit of a dandy. I was filming something for a major software concern over on the east side this weekend, and I had brought. I had to bring a bunch of my own, like, suits and stuff and. And. And blazers, and I forgot one of them had a pocket square in it. It just came when I bought the blazer. It had a pocket square in it. And the wardrobe person, Hannah, said, are you gonna go with or without the pocket square? I remember I didn't say it, but I was like, I don't think I can pull off that dandyish move.

Luke Burbank (33:32)

Well, the thing is. And I'm not just saying you're wrong here, Luke, I'm sure people. Because I was gonna say. Now I'm scared now. Now, maybe I've overstated it.

Andrew Walsh (33:41)

The subtext of.

Luke Burbank (33:41)

Because I remember, like, Mr. Show had some line one time where they described somebody as a thoppish dandy. And I love, though. And I'm looking them both up, and they both made. The one problem with calling somebody a foppish dandy is that it's. They're two words that mean the same thing. It's a bit repetitive or. What's the word I'm looking for there? Done and redundant. Yes, thank you. And so. But they both seem to. They both seem to be defined as concerned with one's clothes. I mean, the dandy one does say, you know, it's a man who is it who is, like, kind of obsessed with a man unduly devoted to style. Neatness and fashion. So there you. Maybe you could, like, make fun of a dandy for caring too much about their appearance and maybe coming in like, you know, I could see somebody like Luke picture. It's like, it's like the state assembly and the year is 1816. I think I'm actually just literally thinking of a biography I read of Teddy Rosenberg.

Andrew Walsh (34:34)

And basically somebody who comes in who's very well dressed and kind of, as you said, overly concerned.

Luke Burbank (34:40)

They have a cane and, yeah, pocket square. And everybody might not take him as seriously. And I could see that, like, sort of like maybe bleeding into some homophobic behavior or language or territory or whatever. But I don't think on their own, they're problematic. I really don't. Fact is, like, I think, and I always go to him as sort of a sartorial sort of.

Andrew Walsh (35:02)

Are you going to say Paul F. Tompkins?

Luke Burbank (35:03)

I am like, couldn't you see him being described as a dandy? Like, and I mean that. I love the way he dresses. I think it's really cool.

Andrew Walsh (35:10)

So anyway, Candy as in Dandy Brewster, as in Rooster in Port Murray, New Jersey. We stand behind it. Candy says so I struggle with this every year and never more so than this year. All right, Edgar Allen. I will try to avoid getting political, but it's not political to continue to stand up for human decency and lending a hand to those who are struggling and who don't have the support systems that I'm lucky enough to enjoy. My career and the work that my colleagues do are currently in jeopardy. Don't worry. Donations will continue for now. Candy, if you think for one minute that that thought went through my mind, you're right.

Luke Burbank (35:50)

You are right.

Andrew Walsh (35:51)

You are 100% right.

Luke Burbank (35:53)

Actually, for a second, I thought she meant that donations to her organization, but no, she means that she's still in a position where she continues to donate.

Andrew Walsh (35:59)

To tbt Powell, tbtb. But I am more concerned about the people and the providers that we serve. I want to remind folks, no matter what your politics may be, to pay attention, to stand up for the things that you know in your heart, to be the right things, and to never lose your sense of compassion. I honestly am so relieved that TBTL is part of my daily routine. I save each day's episode to play at just the time when I need to decompress and feel like I'm surrounded by good friends. Candy, that's really, really humbling to hear. That's amazing. I have shows that are my version of that, too. I may not always Connect with the show, but I am here. What are your thoughts on Shadur Sanders? Yeah, I may not always connect with the show. Jaden Milro over shoulder Sanders. Was that the right. No, I literally think I told you we weren't going to talk about what's.

Luke Burbank (36:48)

Going on with the Cleveland Browns quarterback room.

Andrew Walsh (36:50)

Well, honestly, that's the thing that has me really concerned if we get into Shador Town is if we could keep it out of Brownstone.

Luke Burbank (36:56)

Oh, I don't know. I don't know enough about it to get into it, honestly.

Andrew Walsh (36:59)

I may not always connect with the show, but I am here every day supporting you as you are supporting me. Thank you. Well, Candy, thank you. Were you saying. You were reminding me. We were putting this together. It was Candy's. We met Candy and her son was Candy's son. No, it was a different somebody.

Luke Burbank (37:16)

We were.

Andrew Walsh (37:16)

When we were doing the show once somebody had their son with them and he had made all these elaborate stickers.

Luke Burbank (37:20)

Yeah, that was Candy, son.

Andrew Walsh (37:21)

That was Candy.

Luke Burbank (37:22)

And then I can't believe how long.

Andrew Walsh (37:23)

Ago I still find those stickers in one of my bags. I got a bunch of them.

Luke Burbank (37:27)

Yeah, that was in Brooklyn. That was a fun show. Fun time.

Andrew Walsh (37:30)

Good memory, Andrew. Yeah, Candy, thank you so much. Thanks, Roald. Thanks to everybody for making TBTL happen for all these years. I couldn't do without you. Hello and welcome to Top Story. All right, let's quickly talk CBS Sunday Morning in the news. Andrew, which doesn't happen all the time for that TV show that I work on, but this Bill Belichick interview, of course, he. The. I don't know if I need to put this context out there, but he was the New England Patriots head coach and won a bunch of Super Bowls, and. And now he's about to go coach the North Carolina Tar Heels football team, the college team there, and has written a book for some reason.

Luke Burbank (38:16)

For some reason.

Andrew Walsh (38:17)

I mean, honestly, like, okay, so here's how I found out that this book was in the offing. I was filming that story about the Duplass brothers, and I was working with the producer, Gabriel, and he mentioned to me during. We had some downtime, and he said, oh, yeah, they're. We might be doing this Belichick piece. I don't know if you're interested. And I was like, absolutely, I'm interested. And, you know, because of course, I'm a big sports fan and Bill Belichick is a interesting character to me. And. And then, then this weekend I started seeing all this footage of the interview. I was Like, I guess I didn't get that gig. And it was of course, Tony decouple, who's one of the main anchors on the network in like a very, very, very high up on the food chain person. So clearly when they, when, when word spread that Belichick was going to sit down with cbs, they decided to give it to a better journalist than me, which I totally get.

Luke Burbank (39:08)

Can I just mention that Belichick, for those who don't know, isn't just a huge name, obviously, but also just known as a very difficult character, a very reticent personality, doesn't like to talk much anyway. And as we'll get into here, has been even more difficult to work with recently because of the woman that he's dating who's like acting as his sort of manager and I guess, kind of, I don't know, goalkeeper, gatekeeper. Gatekeeper is what I'm looking for. Shield. And so, yeah, it's not just like, hey, this is a really famous guy. Let's give it to one of the biggest names in the network. It's also just like this interview must have had so many ins and outs for the prep of it. And just knowing that things could go sideways.

Andrew Walsh (39:52)

Well, what I can say, I actually got off the phone this morning with the person who produced the story and I feel like there's some stuff I can share and some stuff I won't share because I didn't get clearance on it. But what I did think was interesting was he said that, that it was Bill Belichick and his girlfriend. Those are the only two people that showed up. There was no PR team, but it became clear very quickly in the, in the sitting down for the interview that Bill Belichick's girlfriend was going to be a major factor in the interview because she was sitting right off of camera and she was weighing in on his responses to many of the questions. Now we'll mention there is a, and this sounds like an exaggeration, but it's not. There is a five decade age difference between these two folks. And what I will say is, you know, consenting adults can enter into any kind of relationship that they choose to, in my mind. But it is to me not crazy that the media would be somewhat interested in this part of Bill Belichick's life because it seems like a real left turn for a guy who is as kind of taciturn as Bill Belichick and, and notoriously, quote, unquote, grumpy, sorry for the term. And just like not the kind of person who you might imagine would kind of later in his life enter into a relationship that is with a person who's wildly different from him in every way that you might imagine. Let's start, though.

Luke Burbank (41:13)

Andrew, can I interrupt one second, though? And also just sort of say, it's also this sort of dynamic where you have him who, like, doesn't want to. Will you set it up that they're very different personality wise, but like, like, it's also not like this is a private relationship that he's having where they're kind of like, hey, please leave us alone. We don't. She is not the story. I am the story. You know, like, I was very surprised and confused when I realized that she was in the big super bowl commercial for Duncan. I know that's a weird thing, but my point of reference is often TV commercials. And I don't know if you remember that one, Luke. It was a big mess of a commercial, and it was kind of a sequel to last year's kind of Duncan campaign. And it was like, oh, and there's Bill Belichick. And then who's that woman's. Oh, that is. That is both his, you know, I don't know, business manager and girlfriend. And so I just want to underscore as we go into this, it's not like the news media is snooping into something that they're trying to, like, sort of, like, kind of contain.

Andrew Walsh (42:10)

It's not like he's a notoriously private person about his relationship.

Luke Burbank (42:14)

Yeah.

Andrew Walsh (42:14)

Like that's. It's a central part of his life and career.

Luke Burbank (42:18)

Public. Yeah, Very, very kind of public life. Yeah, go ahead.

Andrew Walsh (42:20)

Okay, so let's start, though, with the important stuff, which is the shirt that Bill Belichick is wearing in the interview. It is a sweatshirt. It says navy, which is a place that I believe his dad coached. And it is tattered. It has a giant ass hole in it. Now, this is Tony Decouple. This is the start of the piece. They're talking about the show.

Tony Decopol (42:40)

You're probably thinking the same thing I was when I sat down with Bill Belichick. What's going on with this sweatshirt?

Andrew Walsh (42:48)

Well, you can see I've worn this one for a while.

Tony Decopol (42:50)

Do you remember how you got the cut here?

Andrew Walsh (42:52)

No. When he says the cut here, he's referring to a giant, like, moth eaten hole in the shirt at about Bill Belichick's clavicle, which is just. Again, it is. There's no missing this.

Tony Decopol (43:04)

Tattered and yes, often sleeveless. Belichick's signature look is part of his singular focus.

Andrew Walsh (43:12)

Now let me just say this, Andrew. Bill Belichick was famous when he coached in the NFL for like, like being kind of a schlub and always wearing like sweatshirts and like hoodies and like short sleeve hoodies. This is a whole other level. And this is a very intentional visual statement. And this is my theory. His girlfriend is, as we already stated, much younger than him and much hipper than him. And this is an in style look. In other words, you know, there are a lot of young people, including my daughter, who will wear things that are distressed in a way, Whether it's jeans that have holes in them or it's like, you know, shirts that, I mean, the other day I was hanging out with my daughter and she had on a T shirt that had. It looked like Bill. Bill Belichick was wearing. My theory is there's no way that Bill Belichick, again, for however much he doesn't care about how he's coming off, there's no way. He went into his closet and he said, let me find a moth eaten sweatshirt to wear on television. This was selected for him, in my opinion, by his girlfriend slash media coach, because she probably thought it's actually kind of stylish and low key. It actually kind of is in its own way. But I cannot imagine that Bill Belichick went into his closet and thought, this is what I'm gonna wear today.

Luke Burbank (44:20)

I have a really dumb question for you that isn't so much even about the tatteredness of the sweatshirt. But, and I really do think this is sort of a dumb question, but you mentioned that, you know, he's leaving the NFL to take this job in college football. Where is he again?

Andrew Walsh (44:35)

You said North Carolina.

Luke Burbank (44:37)

Yeah. Okay. If he stays away from the laraza pan. Anyway, now the sweatshirt he's wearing is a navy shirt. Right? Right.

Andrew Walsh (44:51)

He's not wearing a North Carolina. Yeah.

Luke Burbank (44:52)

So that's a classic look or whatever, you know, like the, you know, there's something about that just plain navy.

Andrew Walsh (44:57)

Well, and again, his dad coached there.

Luke Burbank (44:59)

Oh, did you say that? I'm sorry that I didn't hear you say that because I was going to ask about the sort of dynamic of wearing another team's shirt.

Andrew Walsh (45:05)

Well, what's funny is. Yeah, so his dad coached there, which is my guess as to the signific of it.

Luke Burbank (45:10)

Oh, okay. Sorry I missed that.

Andrew Walsh (45:12)

But also, I can't. Now, I, now I can't remember the specifics, but I, But I remember like his. There have been various photos, particularly like of his girlfriend Wearing different team shirts as a kind of visual statement. Like. And I can't remember the exact specifics, but I remember a different moment where they were somewhere and she was wearing a shirt and it had a team on it. And the. I remember, you know, the Internet going, oh, she's trolling. So. And so maybe it's the Patriots, because, again, not to get into sports, but, like, a big part of this interview that I just didn't include in the tape we're going to play was the question of, like, if Bill Belichick. The conditions under which Bill Belichick stopped being the Patriots head coach because the owner of the team, Robert Kraft, says he fired Bill Belichick. And Bill Belichick was. Doesn't mention him in this book. That's the other thing. Again, this book is mysterious to me because. Does not seem to me like Bill Belichick needs money. Right. Like, I don't. I. My guess would be that he's financially very, very set up. So. Right. I can't imagine he's writing the book to try to get royalties off of it. But also, he just seems. And I didn't include these parts because I just didn't want to have too much tape to play. But when he's asked about the book.

Luke Burbank (46:31)

Book, his.

Andrew Walsh (46:32)

His explanation of even why he wrote a book is just kind of mysterious. It's like, well, I just wanted to kind of, you know, talk about my career. And then, like, Tony decouple asked, like, why'd you name the book, what you named the book? And he goes, well, the. The publisher chose the name of the book. I mean, basically, it's like, Bill. I want Bill Belichick to blink twice if he's being held hostage. Like, this seems like the last place he wants to be, which is. Is fine. But then why is he being here?

Luke Burbank (47:00)

Yeah, he doesn't have to be.

Andrew Walsh (47:01)

He doesn't have to be. You know what? Write a book and do no publicity for it or don't write a book, or. I don't know.

Luke Burbank (47:07)

But, like, he just had so many things he wanted to say, Luke. I mean, that's the thing.

Andrew Walsh (47:12)

Like, obviously, he had so many things he didn't want to say.

Luke Burbank (47:15)

Exactly. And so many pages to not say them in.

Andrew Walsh (47:18)

I mean, he could say or not.

Luke Burbank (47:20)

Say it is a really good question because I guess I sort of laughed when you said why before. And I guess I thought, well, the answer to that. That question is money. But you're right.

Andrew Walsh (47:27)

And maybe, you know what? Maybe there's not enough money in the world. Maybe he's got a gambling problem.

Luke Burbank (47:33)

I guess there's always more money. But you're right. Like, I don't think that he needs it. And he just does not seem like. It's just so funny, this idea that Bill Belichick's like, well, there was just still more story to tell. Bill Belichick doesn't want.

Andrew Walsh (47:45)

He's so reticent. So then Tony decopol is again, doing a great job. But my big takeaway from this whole thing, which is not the takeaway anyone else in the world cares about, is I am so glad that they missed me with this assignment. And again, I don't. I don't know how close it was to being the case that I would actually have to do the interview. I'm probably 30 people down on the list, but I don't think. I certainly don't think I would have done a better job than Tony decopal did. And it is just from my perspective as somebody who does these kinds of interviews, it is rough to watch. Tony Decopol needs to. And he does address the topic of Bill Belichick having a. A girlfriend. And very, very, like you said, Andrew, very instrumental person in his career. Like, there have been photos of like, you know, spring practice at North Carolina, where it's like Bill Belichick standing on the field and then his girlfriend next to him and they're standing at the 50 yard line. Like, it does not appear to be the case that he goes anywhere without her. She seems to be integral or integral.

Luke Burbank (48:48)

I knew you couldn't. I knew you couldn't. Just say it one way.

Andrew Walsh (48:50)

If you just say everything two ways, you're never wrong. If you say everything two ways, you've always got a friend, Andrew. And it's the other version of the word. So again, we're not just. This isn't just like, you know, trying to dunk on a young woman in the world. This is, this is, this is relevant to the story. And so Tony decouple is asking about it and Bill Belichick's girlfriend from off camera, kibosh Bill Belichick's answer to the question of how, where they met. Even though she has said publicly, and I think he said elsewhere, that they supposedly met on a flight. They were supposedly sitting next to each other, which, again, to me, we would get into questions of front of the plane, middle of the plane. I know Bill Belichick's. I'm being honest.

Luke Burbank (49:36)

Yeah, no, listen, wait, hold on, though. You're being honest. I had not known that. And so this is news to me. So I'm trying to interpret like what you're sort of maybe implying there. Are you saying that like you find this story somewhat sus or you find it just interesting because you're obsessed with plane layout?

Andrew Walsh (49:53)

Well, two things can be true.

Luke Burbank (49:55)

Yeah. So you. But you are adding a little suss to that when you say that.

Andrew Walsh (49:58)

Well, I didn't originally think the story was sus. I now wonder about the story. The original, the meet cute. Okay. Of Bill Belichick and his girlfriend was. And by the way, for the record, Bill Belichick was married for many years and has a family and has children who I think are much older than the person he's now dating. Just add some context about Bill Belichick's life leading up to this, this season of his life. But the story goes, the meet cute was that he was flying somewhere and she was seated next to him randomly and was studying a textbook for her college. And they started talking about her class she was taken and taking. And then he, I think, signed the textbook and then they went their separate ways and then they somehow reconnected. And now, you know, the rest, as they say, is history. That's been the story of how these two people met. Again, I was like, wow, okay, this college kid was in first class. Raises, you know, a few questions about a few things. But all right, now, apparently they're not talking about that story anymore. Take a listen to poor Tony Decouple twisting in the wind.

Tony Decopol (51:05)

The other change For Belichick is 24 year old Jordan Hudson, his creative muse. As he writes in his book, Jordan was a constant presence during our interview. You have Jordan right over there. Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion about your private life. It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it.

Andrew Walsh (51:30)

How do you deal with that, by the way? I think that is a very, very good way to ask that question. You know, you're just basically, you're not.

Luke Burbank (51:36)

Crying, you're just opening the door to saying, how does this make you feel?

Andrew Walsh (51:39)

Yeah, how does it make you feel that so many people are speculating about this relationship you're in? I think that's the. I think that's the best way to ask that question, in my opinion. Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks. Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right.

Tony Decopol (51:54)

How did you get.

Andrew Walsh (51:55)

Great answer, Bill, great answer. I mean, we're hanging on your every word out of you face my face. Talk to them about that, man. And what's right it.

Tony Decopol (52:06)

How did you guys meet?

Luke Burbank (52:07)

Not talking about this.

Tony Decopol (52:09)

No, no. It's a topic.

Andrew Walsh (52:12)

Okay. By the way, we're not talking about. This is. Well, I mean, this is where my journalistic hackles are really kind of. They really flare up because I have. I certainly have not done an interview that's this high profile, but I have done interviews before with people who have other people who are just off camera who are trying to kind of manage what's going on in the conversation. And first of all, it just. It's very, very frustrating as the interviewer to have to deal with that.

Luke Burbank (52:36)

Yeah.

Andrew Walsh (52:36)

But the very fact that this is something. And Tony mentions this right here that I, at the very minimum she has posted about, there's a photo of them from this airplane flight supposedly that I believe she put online.

Tony Decopol (52:49)

So neither one of them is comfortable commenting on, though Hudson has recently posted about it on Instagram.

Andrew Walsh (52:56)

So, like, why. Why are you saying we're not. We're not talking about this? Why are you saying we're not talking about this? What you have been talking about it online? Like, what is even the logic there?

Luke Burbank (53:06)

I don't, you know, this is where maybe. And I'm trying to think of how I can kind of articulate this a little bit because you and I are not, believe it or not, we don't host a sports show. Some people might disagree with that, but we don't. And I listen to a lot of. I listen to a lot of sports radio. Maybe not. I almost said varied, but that's not entirely true. I listen to some podcasts and I. And I keep on the local AM station. Right. So I'm not even hearing what like some of the chuckleheads are doing out on the east coast or whatever when they're doing their like 6am to 9am drive time or whatever. But let's just suffice it to say that there are some pretty unevolved men talking into microphones about topics that when they get off of the actual X's and O's of sports and they get more into cultural stories like this, they really love to feast on it. And also you can bring in a lot of like, kind of tropes and energy that, you know, this is a young woman. There's this age difference. It's both a romantic relationship as well as a business relationship that these two have and everything. And I feel like there are various things that I would personally want to avoid, like kind of mentioning because of, like, I don't know, judging other people's personal lives in a certain way. Like you said, adults can make the decisions that they want to make regarding their relationships, professional and private. And having said that, so I don't want to play into any, like, kind of stereotypes, but I am with you. Like, I get so hacked off when somebody is trying to control an interview and a third person is, like, I remember even doing. And again, obviously, my experience with this is very, very limited compared to the stuff that you've been doing. But, you know, even as like, a lowly local producer for radio, I would do pre interviews with guests sometimes and then every now and then, and this would be pretty rare, somebody would say, well, they're not going to do a pre interview without the PR people being on the line. You know what I mean?

Andrew Walsh (54:57)

Yeah.

Luke Burbank (54:58)

And so I just want to sort of say that, like, not that you can totally divorce this conversation from all of the context that we've talked about so far, but, like, male, female, professional relationship, personal relationship. Anytime there is another person who is, like, off screen or off camera saying, nope, we're not going to do that. No, I need to be on the line for this interview. Like, that is a. I hate that. That's a huge red flag for me. It's. It's almost like, are we going to do this interview or aren't we? And then to have this person kind of, kind of off screen. But this is what I wanted to ask you, Luke. I don't know if this is the right time to ask it, but CBS had to make a decision. And I have not seen this whole thing. I've only seen bits of it. But that little clip that you just played, the camera picks her up sort of in the background. So you have kind of the one shot of the reporter, one shot of Bill, I guess I don't know what was all involved, but you definitely have sort of a wide shot where you see both the reporter, Bill, and in the bank, sort of like the. I think you can even maybe see some of the lights or whatever, like, under the wide shot, and you see her in the background kind of crouched behind a laptop or something, writing kind of like, it looked almost like kind of like not even looking up, but just like inputting every now and then, like, no, we're not doing this or we're doing that. So did the CBS crew go in knowing, like, this could be a thing? Let's make sure we set up cameras so that we have her as well. Or do you think it was More of a. Well, you know what? We're realizing how this conversation is going, and it's kind of being intruded upon. Let's like kind of quietly move the cameras back because if she's going to insert herself so much, let's get her on camera.

Andrew Walsh (56:30)

Well, I actually know the official answer, but I don't feel comfortable.

Luke Burbank (56:33)

Yeah, I wanted to know that before the show.

Andrew Walsh (56:36)

What. I'll say here's. But. But here's.

Luke Burbank (56:37)

I'll give.

Andrew Walsh (56:38)

I'll give you some kind. I'll give you. I'll give you some information, and then you can do what you want with it. And I'm mostly talking to the audience. I will put it this way. In all my experience with. With working on this show, I can tell you this. The cameras are rarely just randomly pointing in a direction and rolling unless there's been some intention behind it.

Luke Burbank (56:55)

Yeah, right, of course.

Andrew Walsh (56:56)

Because it's a whole thing with the cameras and, like, moving them and focus and all this stuff. So I. That's my experience. And I thought. Let me put it this way. I thought it was illuminating to the piece that there was footage of what was happening outside the typical frame of view, if that's even a word.

Luke Burbank (57:13)

Clearly, it caught my eye. It was like one of the first things I thought about.

Andrew Walsh (57:15)

Yeah, me too. And so. So without confirming or denying anything, I'll just say I thought it was some useful context for the whole thing. Now we're getting to the part of this that, believe it or not, was the thing that made me the most, for some reason, the most mad. And it's Il Belichick, because there are a ton of photos online on, like, his social media page and certainly his girlfriend's social media page of them on the beach where they're doing. Have you seen these photos, Andrew, by the way?

Luke Burbank (57:49)

Like, I think I have a while back. Right. These aren't new, right? Yeah, I think I've seen them, but they're basically.

Andrew Walsh (57:54)

They're on the beach. And let me just say this. They're cute pictures. And they're pictures that anybody should put on their Instagram at any time if they feel like doing it, where it's like he's doing this kind of either like a yoga pose with her or like a thing that I used to do with my kid when she was little, where you're on the ground and you're kind of. The person's on your feet, you're kind of playing airplane, you know? Yeah. Any of those things, like, these are actually very cute pictures. But they are very notable pictures and they are very different than any picture that Bill Belichick has ever posted online previous to this. Again, Bill Belichick, famously the guy who said this about social media. We've been playing this for years. My face, your face, instant face. Go talk to whoever you want that does it. That stuff, I don't know. Okay, so that's Bill Belichick. That's his take on social media. Cut to nowadays, where he's posting a bunch of photos of him doing yoga poses, or whatever you want to call it, with his girlfriend on a beach somewhere. His much younger girlfriend. This, we can all agree, is a different way of presenting yourself to the world. And Tony Decopol is asking about it, and Bill Belichick is, is, is seems mystified that this could even possibly come up in an interview.

Tony Decopol (59:08)

You join Insta Face, as you put it. I love that there's some.

Andrew Walsh (59:11)

By the way, good job again, Tony.

Luke Burbank (59:13)

I agree.

Andrew Walsh (59:13)

You know, like, like you're getting, you know, you're ingratiating yourself with this guy. You're kind of calling back to this famous piece of tape from him. Like, I, I, I very much agree with the strategy of this interview so far.

Tony Decopol (59:26)

An Insta Face, as you put it. I love that there's some great pictures of you and Jordan where you're a fisherman and she's a mermaid.

Andrew Walsh (59:33)

Oh, I forgot about those ones, too.

Luke Burbank (59:35)

I have not seen those. Okay.

Andrew Walsh (59:37)

I forgot about the craziest ones. Literally dress up. He is, he's like, got a fishing pole or something. And she's literally lying on the beach with a mermaid. You know, like a fin, Like a mermaid. Like the lower half of her body is in some kind of a costume. Again, everybody should take whatever kind of pictures they want, and they should put them out on the Internet if they want to, but they should maybe not.

Luke Burbank (60:00)

Be shocked if it, if somebody wants to ask you about it, if somebody.

Andrew Walsh (60:06)

Wants to ask you about it when you're promoting your book. When this represents a wild 180 from your entire 70 years on the planet preceding this.

Tony Decopol (60:16)

Charming. It's a different side of you. What's the reaction been, like, what's it been like to have these different sort of photos? There's another one where you're doing. I know you're not into meditation or yoga or Pilates. You're balancing Jordan on your feet and she's doing kind of the Titanic pose.

Andrew Walsh (60:37)

Yeah. So I'm on some of those social media platforms, but I honestly don't follow him. What do You. Oh, yeah. He said he doesn't follow him, Andrew. So he could never answer the question of what's going on with him doing all this stuff online that he never did before because he doesn't follow.

Luke Burbank (60:58)

I will say this is the first time I've heard this clip of tape. Like I said, I did not delve much into this yesterday. I heard, I heard, I think the one like, we're not talking about this clip or whatever. And so I want to be careful here, but not to dump on your colleague. But like, in this case, I feel like that question was not as deft as the others. I feel like maybe at this point too, he's like, he's. He wants so badly to address this stuff. He wants to talk about social media and the change, but he's kind of. Because he's hitting a wall or whatever. Like, he's. He's trying so hard to be complimentary about it and sound non threatening about it, but then to say, what's that reaction been? Like, he's kind of trying to do that two times in a row, and this time it sort of seems a little bit dulled. I'm actually kind of not surprised that Belichick would say, what has that been like? It's almost kind of like, what does that mean? I wish the question was a little bit sharper, like, what has made you sort of change your approach to social media?

Andrew Walsh (61:52)

Yeah, maybe that would have been a better way to ask it. Certainly. I wonder also where this is something I guess I could have asked the producer of the piece today. But, like, I wonder where in the interview these questions were happening. Because that's another thing you really have to factor in is like, this person's gonna shut down. And actually I can't talk about this right now until it's happening. But there appears to be something in the offing where they want me to. CBS wants me to go do an interview with a fairly controversial figure. And I'm sort of inclined to do it because I think that this person is culturally significant. And I think if we do the story right and we are accurate about the major failings of this person, but we also point out the fact that this person wields a lot of influence with folks, I think that the story could be of use. That being said, when you're doing an interview and you've got to figure out when is like the value of asking a certain question, which is, I'm not really addressing the same thing you're addressing, Andrew, which is there's a Better way to ask that question.

Luke Burbank (62:53)

Can I just say again, though, like. Like, that is me not being in the room. I just want to raise that as we sort of dissect this. Not saying I would have done it better. Obviously, I don't think I need to say that, but, like, you know, interviews are very difficult. It's not a skill I have at all. And I would be so nervous. I would just be like, I would just keep saying that over and over again. So again, that's just sort of like, as an outsider sort of saying, oh, yeah, I do wish, like, that question had been a little bit, like, more purposeful to get at least a better attempt at a response.

Andrew Walsh (63:23)

Yeah, I'm wondering. I'm just kind of putting myself in their shoes and just trying to think, like, I wonder if it would have been better or worse to just ask it really directly, just to kind of go, like, what are you doing online? Or like, what are you. Like, like, does any part of you feel like, do you feel self conscious about that image of you being out there? Or, like, is that something that's fun for you to start posting? Or. I don't know, I wonder, hear almost sometimes, like, I've only had this kind of experience. And again, much, much, much, much lower profile. But I've only had one or two times that I can remember where it was like the interviewer or the interviewee seemed like they were being sort of hostile. And one of them was when I was interviewing that guy, Chuck Palahniuk, who wrote the Fight Club book. I was interviewing him in Portland and he was being very evasive on stage. And like, we just, in my mind, we just weren't getting any useful stuff to put on the radio because a lot of it was like, like, inappropriate answers that we couldn't use or whatever. I think I said, like, what would you like to talk about, Chuck? Because I just like, literally hit a breaking point and then he oddly then started playing along and actually being kind of helpful. Now, that's not Bill Belichick.

Luke Burbank (64:31)

Do you think. Remind me, do you think that is because he kind of heard your tone and suddenly was like, oh, I'm not being a very. I'm not being a party to this the way I should be. Or do you think he really was like, oh, I'll tell you things I want to talk about. About.

Andrew Walsh (64:44)

I think it was a. I think it was one of these, like, somebody is going to be the. The. Someone's going to be the beta in this conversation, and someone's going to Be the alpha. And, like. And it was like I was kind of trying to be. I was trying to be very, like, basically, I think sometimes in conversations, weirdly enough, it's like I. I think I alpha him there unintentionally, which I wasn't even doing consciously. I was just. Just. I was just like, I don't know what else to do. None of these questions I'm asking are getting a useful response, like, what do you want to talk about, dude?

Luke Burbank (65:16)

So it was the tone. He sort of responded to the tone, I think.

Andrew Walsh (65:19)

Yeah. I think the power dynamic shifted in that moment, and then suddenly he sort of, like, started to try to give me useful answers. I don't know if that kind of thing would work with Bill Belichick. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what in the heck he's just doing. I don't know what he is doing. Taking part in this interview when he so clearly hates being interviewed, which I've already kind of said one time, and I don't know what he's doing writing this book. He does not seem like he is a person who likes sharing his life with the wider public, which is his right to not do so. What in the world? And now this is rank speculation on my part, but I'm wondering if this book isn't somehow at the encouragement of his new media manager slash mermaid.

Luke Burbank (66:05)

I mean, yeah, and again, to be as less gross about this, as least gross about this as possible, just take the personal romantic relationship out of this and just look at it as the professional relationship. They started a company together, right? So, I mean, she must just take her role as, you know, whatever her role is in whatever official title is in this company and saying, hey, listen, Bill and I are business partners now, and my job in this business is to be in the business of getting Bill in front of cameras. And sometimes they're our cameras and we're posting things on Instagram, and sometimes they're cbs, his cameras. And. And, you know, I think maybe my assumption here is maybe she encouraged him to go with the book deal. I mean, God knows how much of this, like, how. How many of those words he actually wrote himself. Like, who knows? And that's not even a slam on him. That's just the way a lot of these things work. He's not a writer, but he has a story to tell, and he does. Story to tell. You know what I mean? But it just sort of seems like, again, to try to, like, sidestep any sexism like, whatever the relationship is. Personally, two adults went into a business relationship together, started a company, and the one person is like, well, my job to, you know, make money for this company, money that I will also share is to, you know, put my. Put Bill in front of cameras and get press, however that is, and, And. And make money in that manner. And I guess that's what's happening, right? Is that.

Andrew Walsh (67:34)

I guess. But I want. I guess really what I wonder is if. If this was a good outcome for them for the book, for the company, for the brand. Like, what would be the downside of Bill Belichick just letting his hair down? I mean, I know it's not in his personality, but this idea that, that, that his. His, you know, his co business owner slash girlfriend is over there trying to, like, shut down him describing that they met on an airplane and he signed her book or whatever. Like, this seems like a bad outcome to me for them because they don't. It just. It makes everything seem a little bit less fun and organic and a little bit more just kind of, like, tense. And it just seems like, I mean, if Bill Belichick was like, yeah, I met this person and she's the most beautiful thing I'd ever laid eyes on, and everything about my life has changed. And we. I know on paper there's some big differences between us, but, man, when we just hit it off and I just am. You know, I couldn't see my life any other way. Like, that would be an interesting way to handle this and talk about it. And I think people would probably. I think it would resonate with folks, you know, because. Because lots of people are in lots of different kinds of relationships. It's just like, trying to, like, media manage this in this way. It just seems like this just seems like a kind of a bad outcome for them and the product, when there could be a good outcome, you know.

Luke Burbank (68:54)

And contrarily, if you don't want to have that conversation, just don't do the interview.

Andrew Walsh (69:00)

Right?

Luke Burbank (69:01)

Like, which is also totally fine. Nobody would say Bill Belichick. He wouldn't sit down with cbs like.

Andrew Walsh (69:08)

Yeah, quit ducking CBS Sunday Morning. Belichick. Like, he could do whatever he wants, or he could not do whatever he doesn't want to do. That's a lot of negatives, dude.

Luke Burbank (69:18)

Like, yeah, like, just talk about soup or not talk about soup for hours.

Andrew Walsh (69:21)

Write the book and do no press for it, or don't write the book or whatever. But this. This just seemed like. This seemed like the weirdest. The weirdest of all outcomes for them. And I mean, it really is. Part of. It's because I follow Sunday morning on, you know, social media and stuff. But, like, I feel like this is a big story in the news cycle and I. And I feel like. Comes off as, as, as. As like just kind of like. It just. They don't seem like a fun hang to me right now, you know, but they never did.

Luke Burbank (69:48)

I mean, that's the thing. I don't know if this moves the needle any which way. Right. It's. It just gives everybody something to talk about on their sports shows if they want. Well, I mean, it's also like, we're coming off this big draft. There's plenty of news. You don't need this if you're hosting a sports show right now. There's actually a huge weekend for that stuff. There's plenty of stuff to talk about, but generally speaking, I just don't know. This doesn't make me. Wait. Does this make me dislike him more? Not really. This just sort of seems like part and parcel of what I've been seeing from him over the years.

Andrew Walsh (70:19)

Dislike him more?

Luke Burbank (70:20)

Even more. I don't think that I could dislike him more. And that's not even to say. Well, no, I take that back because I don't have strong feelings about him. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about him. I just think of him as like, yeah, he's the guy who's kind of an a hole to everybody who tries to talk to him. You know what I mean?

Andrew Walsh (70:34)

About anything that's not football. Because I think the thing with him was when he stopped being the coach of the Patriots and he started doing some little, like, analysis stuff, like, he'd pop up here and there. Then I thought the narrative was like, hey, Bill Belichick's actually pretty chill. Like, Bill Belichick's actually kind of funny. Like, if. If you. If the ground rules of the conversation are purely football, he's actually like. It's like he. He undergoes, like, a personality transplant where he's actually kind of funny and. And way more normal. If the conversation is about anything about, like, that's off the field or his life or his even, like, relationship with players at the time, if it's. Basically, if it's anything he doesn't want to talk about, he just completely shuts down and gets weird. But he. If it's about the 4:3 defense. Wait, what was the one. The nickel. If it's about the nickel, Andrew, what did I used to think the nickel was? Because it was five guys or something.

Luke Burbank (71:34)

You said it was because you pay each player a nickel. No, I don't. I can't get into that or even tease you about it because I'm so confused about it.

Andrew Walsh (71:40)

But you know what I mean. Like, I think so. So I guess there was this. I feel like there was this moment of time where the sports world, the sports commentary world, the commentary class was kind of like, like, hey, Bill Belichick might not be as uptight as, or much of a. As much of a grump as we thought he was, but now I feel like he's back in grump territory just because. And also now this is a sports thing and I apologize. We should just talk about this prank call of Shador Sanders. But like, I also just. It's very clear that Bill Belichick is a person who, if he's not in. In involved in coaching football, does not know what to do with himself. And, and that's, I think, actually fairly typical. And I'm not judging him on that. But I mean, what in the ever loving world is he doing going and coaching a college football team? Like, coaching college football is a notoriously time consuming process. There's so much recruiting, there's so much stuff to do with these folks, almost more than the pros because these are not professional players yet. And it's, you know, peace and love to our Tar Heels. It's not a particularly notable college football program. It's a very.

Luke Burbank (72:45)

Not. I didn't know that because I. Because of like, cultural references, like the White Lotus thing that we were joking around about.

Andrew Walsh (72:50)

Well, that's all basketball.

Luke Burbank (72:52)

I. Oh, that's basketball. Duke, guitar, heels. Oh, okay, Gotcha. Yeah, see, I'm really ignorant on that stuff. Yeah.

Andrew Walsh (72:58)

But yeah, so, I mean, you know, people in North Carolina will tell you, oh, we've had a good, we had a good team in 90, whatever. But like, generally speaking, he's not going to USC, he's not going to Alabama, he's not going to a traditional football powerhouse on the national level level. It's just kind of seems like a, like a really hard job that, you know, again, it pays him millions of dollars, but it doesn't probably pay him. It might pay him. It's close to what he could have made in the pros. I mean, it's a big thing for North Carolina to get him to go there. It's just a, it's a, it's a very. It's a surprising thing for him to want to go make the centerpiece of his life at age 75 or whatever he is, when it just seems like it's all consuming. And again, what I take from that is, is I think some of these guys, when they've been doing this for their. And that's. Why is Pete Carroll, the Seahawks guy now? Why is he at the Raiders? Like, again, not a young guy, although he's very healthy and also somebody who's got plenty of money in their life. I. This must. This might speak to my instinctive laziness or what I think of as my laziness, but I can't imagine if I had enough money to relax. Taking on a job that involves almost no time to relax.

Luke Burbank (74:05)

I think that is just such a bad read on yourself.

Andrew Walsh (74:10)

Fair. But also, I have a lot of gambling debt.

Luke Burbank (74:13)

Right.

Andrew Walsh (74:13)

That I'm trying desperately to cover. No, I'm not. I'm like, my point is, I'm not saying I wouldn't do this job. I would do this job. And I'm not saying I wouldn't do.

Luke Burbank (74:22)

I still think you'd be on a plane. I think you'll be on planes flying around. Not for as long as they'll let you.

Andrew Walsh (74:29)

Yeah, maybe. Maybe so. But I still think, believe it or not, my job stuff is. Doesn't even begin to touch with being the head football coach of North Carolina, the demands of your time. I think it's. I think it's, you know, 2, 4, 7. So anyway, all that is to say it's rare that I miss out on like a, a high profile gig and I feel good about it, but this is the rare time I'm like, so glad I'm not. I'm so glad I'm not in the discourse on this because I think I would have done a bad job and I, I think we'd be digging out from under some stuff today as opposed to just kind of sitting on the sideline eating popcorn.

Luke Burbank (75:04)

Well, I hope you land that Trump interview.

Andrew Walsh (75:06)

That's. How did you guess?

Luke Burbank (75:07)

Well, you gave a lot of context clues.

Andrew Walsh (75:09)

Okay, let's do quickly this prank call related to the new Cleveland Brown quarterback, Shador Sanders. Let me try to do this in 30 seconds. Okay? There's a guy named Deion Sanders. He played football and baseball. He was called prime Time. Very, very, very talented athlete. And now he is the head coach of the Colorado Golden Buffaloes. And he has a very particular style of coaching and being in the world and media management. And he's got a son named Shador Sanders who was the quarterback at this college team and the, the NFL Draft happened, as Andrew mentioned, and there was a lot of wondering around when this guy, Shadour Sanders, the son of this guy, Deion Sanders, would get drafted, drafted. And it didn't. It took way longer than everybody expected. And somewhere in the midst of all of that, apparently the way that these, and I see these clips going around the Internet all the time. You're a college football player and you're hoping to get drafted by an NFL team. And the way you find out that you're gonna get picked, you're usually like in your family home surrounded by friends. If you think you're gonna get picked, that is, you're in some kind of celebratory environment and you're waiting for a phone call. You get a call on your cell phone from some, you know, a person at the team that's drafting you, and they call you and they. You have a very perfunctory conversation where that usually goes something like this, hey, man, it's John Schneider from the Seahawks. How you doing? And someone's filming John Schneider from the Seahawks and someone's filming the player. And the players usually like, I'm, I'm doing all right. I'm great. Yeah, sir. A lot of very, like, respectful conversation and, well, hey, man, I got some really amazing news for you. How would you feel about being a Seattle Seahawk? And then you get excited if somebody hands you a Seahawks hat. I guess they had all 28 over on the side.

Luke Burbank (77:07)

Yeah. What happens to the rest?

Andrew Walsh (77:09)

Yeah, they mail them to a tiny town in Africa where they all think that the Buffalo Bills won four Super Bowls. And you put that hat on and everyone starts, you know, know, kind of giving you, like, love and fist bumps and everything. Because you have found out that in the matter of about 5, 10 minutes, you're going to get announced on television as the next person picked for that team. Well, apparently someone prank called this Shadour Sanders guy and told him that they were with the New Orleans Saints and that he was going to be picked by the New Orleans Saints. There's only one problem. The person did not work for the New Orleans Saints. The person was the college age kid of an NFL coordinator. The kid in question, I'm just going to say kid at age 21 was named Jax Ulbricht. His dad is the defensive coordinator, Jeff Ulbricht. For, I think, is it the, the New Orleans Saints.

Luke Burbank (78:08)

No, I'm sorry. I was looking to see if I could find the audio of this, so I got distracted. He's the defensive coordinator for the Falcons. I Believe. Okay.

Andrew Walsh (78:14)

For the Falcons. Thank you. You and this kid. Apparently, the story goes, earlier this week, this kid, Jax Ulbrich, noticed that his dad's iPad, which just BDE Big Dad Energy, that you got the iPad going and that you don't have a password on it. He noticed his dad's iPad was open, and he scrolled through the contacts that he saw that this Shadour Sanders phone number was in it. It. And he copied down the phone number so as to have it for later in the week when the draft happened.

Luke Burbank (78:50)

It's premeditated pranking. That was. That was a really interesting detail to me, because if you don't mind me just sort of saying I sent this to you, and I don't know even know if I was late to the news. I had sent this story to you.

Andrew Walsh (79:02)

Yeah.

Luke Burbank (79:02)

At some point over the weekend before we. Or at least before I knew that they had identified who the prankster was. So I thought it was just sort of interesting. I didn't know if it had enough legs, but I thought it was sort of interesting as a topic just to be like, man, that's. That's. There's only. There's literally a finite number of people who have this phone number. Right. It's a very protected thing. And, like, the teams get these numbers in case you need to call for the draft. But, like, they made these, you know, these phone numbers specifically for this reason. They're not like, recycled or whatever. And Chidor has his number that he's. Didn't he buy a couple of phones or whatever, whatever for this purpose? Like, it's a locked system, you know, so I'm like, how did somebody get this number? Like, how did this all come to be? How did somebody get this number who was hacked or whatever to get it? And Shador Sanders, like, you know, just to add a little bit more context, like, you know, because he's Deion Sanders son and everything, and not to get into, like, the whole narrative of where he fell in the draft, but this is one of the most highest profile players, and it's not just because of who he is on the field, but who his dad is and the entire media around that. And you want to talk about a man talking about his dad here, and I don't know how much of this should fall on Shador's shoulders, but you talk about a man who, again, like, really likes to control the media. Dion here, control the narrative. You know, did you hear he wasn't doing interviews with people who wouldn't call him coach? Prime. Did you hear that?

Andrew Walsh (80:32)

Yeah.

Luke Burbank (80:32)

This is a couple of years old now, when he first started coaching. Is it Oklahoma? Sorry, Colorado. I. They both have O's anyway, so, like. And I really bristle at that kind of behavior as well, that sort of big dogging thing. I'm not a big fan of how.

Andrew Walsh (80:46)

He had Bill Belichick's girlfriend right off camera. Makes no sense.

Luke Burbank (80:51)

We're not talking about that. So, anyway, there's just like, all of this, like, cultural stuff about Shador Sanders and where he was going to fall in the draft and how much of that has to do with who he is as a player versus who he is as a family member and all of that stuff. And so that somebody, while he's sort of seeing himself fall deeper and deeper into the draft, surprising a lot of people, and him probably feeling. And, well, definitely feeling worse and worse, Embarrassed, probably embarrassment. And it's so high profile. And his brother Deon Jr is filming all of this for their media company, because everybody's got their media company and they're streaming stuff live and all of that stuff. And so for somebody to, like, kind of get this number was, like, really fascinating. And then to learn that it was somebody named Jax with an X and that it wasn't kind of like, oh, my God, this number is right here. What if I just call it right now? It was kind of like, I am going to write down this number. I'm going to go back into my apartment or whatever. And days later, that is really premeditated. It's fascinating, for lack of a better word.

Andrew Walsh (81:55)

A couple things. So this is how the call apparently went down, the prank call. And this sounds exactly like the prank call you would make if you were 21 years old and you had gotten your hands on Shador Sanders phone number. But you hadn't really. This ain't no Richard and Sal from the Stern show. This ain't even a jerky boy. The call, Shadur Sanders phone rings. He's surrounded by people, and this guy says that he's Mickey Loomis. The kid says, I'm Mickey Loomis from the New Orleans Saints. That's the general manager. And he goes, goes. The kid goes, we're gonna take you with our next pick right here. Excited friends and family surround a grinning Sanders for the eagerly awaited moment. And then the kid continues, but you're gonna have to wait a little longer, man. Sorry about that. And then he hangs up. Like that's what you would do. You'd call it, be like, I'm the Guy from the Saints and we're gonna pick you. But, but, but, but, but not for a little while. Bye.

Luke Burbank (82:50)

Yeah, like in Arrested Development when George Michael pranks his dad and he's doing a Jerky Boys, but he's like, hey, you're a jerk dad.

Andrew Walsh (82:58)

Yeah, like, like, like, first of all, very few people, unless you're Captain Jenks, you don't. Very few people have the intestinal fortitude to stay on the line in the prank call for a long time. I didn't make a lot of prank. I. Oh, well, good for you because I didn't. My prank call career was short lived, but like, it was, it was real. Is your refrigerator running? Then why don't you go catch it? Kind of stuff. Like, I, there would be about A, about 15 seconds when I would just have this overwhelming sense of like, like, I don't know if it was embarrassment or what or what, but like I could not stay on the line in a prank call as a kid, which obviously Jax Ulrich couldn't either.

Luke Burbank (83:38)

Yeah, well, this is a very high profile one and I've said to you before that I really cringe to think about it. But influenced by the Jerky Boys tapes I did for a little bit of time in high school, this is the Star 69 era where you had to make sure that people couldn't like call you back. Oh, that's right. Star 69 was you could call the person back. So there was some block it in advance to be safe. But I would record them and I had. I have a tape or I don't think I have it anymore. I don't know. I pray I never stumble upon it. And I would record these and then I would later use them in mixtapes of my prank calls. But my whole thing about a prank call was the literal goal was to stay on and have a friendly goodbye. Like you have like, that was always the goal to like get to the end of it and be like, okay, well you guys have a nice day. You too. Okay by. You know, I'd pretend to be various, like, I don't know, people taking polls, you know, I'm calling.

Andrew Walsh (84:30)

So in other words, they. The prank call would. You'd be pretending to be someone, but would you be messing with the person to be saying insulting things or would you just be trying to get them to believe that you worked for Marist?

Luke Burbank (84:42)

What? I remember one. I mean, the one that I think I use on mixtapes a lot, so probably sticks in my head the most was like the whole stop and smell the pizza campaign was going on at the time, and so I would call. I remember having this very delightful conversation with a young woman. And again, I'm a high school kid now, too. She was probably about my age. I just called a random Pizza Hut and just said, you know, I've been following this campaign to smell the pizza. I'm not interested in eating a pizza.

Andrew Walsh (85:06)

Sometimes you got to stop and smell the pizza.

Luke Burbank (85:08)

Could you deliver a pizza for me to smell? And, like, this girl being like, well, no, I can't. You know, you could sort of tell that at some point she was onto it. But then the poll ones. This is pretty embarrassing, but, like, I would call people and I would say, I'm calling from such and such organization, like, kids, don't do this, by the way. And start. I start. Maybe I don't even know if I knew what Gallup was at the time, but I would say that I was calling from some polling organization and then start with some pretty innocent questions and then get maybe a little bit more and more personal as it went on. Like, well, how do you feel about that? Or, you know, maybe even asking about certain bedroom practices. I don't recall exactly. I wasn't doing anything that would be considered illegal or certainly lewd or anything, like, really gross like that. But just, like, slyly, like, kind of turning up the heat a little bit on making the questions personal.

Andrew Walsh (85:56)

Those are actually. Those are pretty sophisticated. I think we would just call up and do, like, a terrible, probably. Probably racist accent or something. I don't know.

Luke Burbank (86:04)

I don't know. I shudder to think about what those tapes actually sound like. But anyway, that was always my goal. But this is not a story about me. This is a story about Shador. But I don't know, like. Yeah. What do you think of. What do you think of Jax? How do you feel about all of this, Luke? Because I got to say, I found it interesting, but I don't know if I have a lot of feelings. Feelings about it.

Andrew Walsh (86:21)

Well, I. I do. I. Well, I have thoughts. I don't know about their feelings, but I have thoughts and have. I don't know if you've seen the apology from Jax. I thought it was pretty good, actually. Yeah. He says, on Friday night, I made a tremendous mistake. Shador. What I did was completely inexcusable, embarrassing, and shameful.

Luke Burbank (86:36)

He misspelled Shador.

Andrew Walsh (86:38)

He did. Although I think I also did in the show sheet, you before E. I'm.

Luke Burbank (86:43)

Saying that, like, if I'm writing in a show sheet, just. Just you and I are Going to see. I'm not going to spend a lot of time worrying about it, but if you're writing a public apology to somebo that you wronged, especially during a. Again, I don't have a lot of feelings about your door. Sanders, whether or not, like, we should feel super bad about this, given a life that's probably pretty privileged in a lot of ways, but, like, you really got a guy when he's feeling really low, you know, and now you're apologizing for it. Spell his name right.

Andrew Walsh (87:10)

Well, when your first name is Jax, can we really hold you accountable for any kind of spelling?

Luke Burbank (87:15)

Touche.

Andrew Walsh (87:17)

He says. Says, I'm so sorry I took away from your moment. It was selfish and childish. I could never imagine getting ready to celebrate one of the greatest moments of your life, and I made a terrible mistake and messed with that moment. Thank you for accepting my call earlier today. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me. I will say this. It seems like Shador Sanders, for, like you said, I think accurately, Andrew, a guy who had a pretty lousy weekend in terms of, you know, every. Every day that went by that. That he was not picked in the draft was. Was, Was. Was, you know, more embarrassing for him, if you will, or whatever. It sounds like Shadow Sanders was pretty chill about it. He apparently answered the phone call and, like, when this kid was calling to apologize. So I give him. I give him credit on that.

Luke Burbank (87:59)

This is.

Andrew Walsh (88:00)

This is the thought part, though, Andrew.

Luke Burbank (88:01)

I give him credit on that, too. By the way, I was surprised to see that he said, thanks for taking my call the other day. I don't know how that. I'm sure this stuff is still the number. Yeah, well, called the same number. I'll bet you were taking my call.

Andrew Walsh (88:11)

About a Prince Albert in a can by this point.

Luke Burbank (88:14)

I am sure that it was, like, all pretty orchestrated with a lot of PR people on both sides probably arranging that. Don't you think, that call.

Andrew Walsh (88:21)

I don't. I don't know. That's a good question. I mean, I'm guessing, okay, this is what. This is not mentioned in the story, but I'm guessing that what happened was that the league was able to trace the phone call, like, where the call came from. This is a very knowable thing in this. This day and age. Age, the league was able to figure out who was calling Shador Sanders, and they traced it back to Jack's old Jack, old Brick's dad, Jeff, because he was, you know, he had the phone number, or maybe he was paying the Verizon bill for Jack's Ulbricht's number. They figured out basically who had done the call and then they traced it back either to the dad or to the son. And then I am sure there was hell to pay when the dad found out what the son had done. Now this is the part though that I, at the end of the story that was surprising to me. The NFL confirmed, I'm reading from a CNN article on this, by the way. The NFL confirmed to CNN that the league is looking into additional prank calls made to other draft hopefuls. So this was a thing. And it raises for me this question. Phone calls in this economy, me. How is this not a FaceTime? How is this not a zoom? How is it that the, the way that this is still getting kind of transmitted is we're, I mean, I understand 10 years ago, even five years ago, why this is how it was. I certainly understand 30 years ago that you call the person up and you tell them, hey, I'm so and so with such and such team, let's do this. But in this day and age, it seems like there would be a much, much more futuristic system for doing this, this than, than. Than a cell phone call. And they apparently had multiple people, well.

Luke Burbank (90:06)

Luke, watch for it next season. I mean, that might be the deal, right?

Andrew Walsh (90:11)

Be the Doritos cam, it's going to be.

Luke Burbank (90:13)

And maybe you need to use zoom and passwords and you know, God knows I don't know enough. I don't. I'm not somebody who follows the draft closely. It's just kind of hard not to like, kind of hear things about the main narratives given what I listen to. But like, I'm not somebody who watches the draft or cares about all that much. Like, I'm very much like my old game of heart. I think I used this example the other day. Like I was not into deck building. I just wanted to play with my toys. You know, it's like I look very much forward to seeing what the Seahawks do when, you know, they are on the field next year. I love that. I love watching football, but I'm just not patient or smart enough to follow the off season moves and machinations. But I am interested in knowing if maybe like they are able to like maybe next year say, you know what, maybe we should like there are other more modern ways of talking to people these days where it's pretty clear, clear who's calling you.

Andrew Walsh (91:03)

Yeah, I think if there were multiple prank calls, which by the way, it, it's also kind of a sick Prank call. I have to be honest, and I mean that in a good way. It's kind of a. It's kind of an amazing prank call. You're not just calling a pizza place and going, you know, can I stop and smell your pizzas? Yeah, like you're. Again, it's.

Luke Burbank (91:21)

That's also pretty good. Is what you meant to say, though.

Andrew Walsh (91:24)

That actually, hey, I'm being totally honest, Andrew. Those were sophisticated prank calls you were making. They're much more subtle, and they're like the prank calls that Bob Newhart would make.

Luke Burbank (91:33)

That is the highest. I don't know that. If you were to hear a little.

Andrew Walsh (91:37)

While for the comedy to unfold, you know, and kind of figure out you're turning the water up on the frog, as it were, like. But yeah, like, it is. I. Here's what I would say that I would. I would be okay with these. I don't know if I'm. I don't know if I'm okay with the Shador Sanders one or not. I would say that the fact that Shador Sanders is already pretty wealthy and did get drafted and has had, like you said, in certain ways, a life of tremendous privilege. Certain ways. And is going to be just fine on most levels, regardless of how his NFL career goes, that feels sort of like pranking up.

Luke Burbank (92:17)

Yes. You know, oh, man, I just pranked.

Andrew Walsh (92:19)

Up in the bathroom. But on the other hand, there's also a different version of this where there's a kid who is not going to get drafted and they're also not going to really catch on with a team and the sort of the end of their profession or the end of their football career is nigh, and they're going to have to figure out a whole new way for their life to work going forward. It's one of the whole problems with. Or one of the, I would just say one of the things that doesn't get talked about enough about the sort of sports industrial complex is that it chews up and spits out a lot of people.

Luke Burbank (92:49)

People.

Andrew Walsh (92:50)

And there are people that it doesn't even take the time to chew up and spit out. And then those people have had their whole life defined by doing this one thing, and now they're going to figure out a different thing to do with their life. And that can be a really rough transition. And if you, like, if you prank a guy from McNeese State who's got an outside chance of getting drafted and you're like, hey, it's so and so from this team, we're Going to pick you, and everybody at the family get together freaks out, and then it never happens. And then this person is working, working at an auto parts store in a year. That feels like pranking down.

Luke Burbank (93:19)

Yes, exactly. I, I agree.

Andrew Walsh (93:21)

I just love that we have finally set up this. This framework of pranking up and pranking down. I think it's pretty strong. Proud of myself here in the 96th minute of today's show. Roald, you're welcome. We got you. We got you halfway to work.

Luke Burbank (93:36)

Oh, shoot. Sorry. I was trying to play the. I've been spending, like, the last five minutes trying to find this Jerky Boys Arrested Development tape, and unfortunately, I am just striking out all, hey, Jerky, I want to buy a house.

Andrew Walsh (93:49)

Dad. It's got to be.

Luke Burbank (93:50)

It's just so chopped up. I'm on yarn.com, but I found the text of it is. So Michael Bluth is in a board meeting. He picks up the phone because he sees his son is calling. He says, hey, Jerky, want to buy a house? I want to buy a house, dad. And he says, you said dad? And he says, shut up, Jerky. And he hangs up right away.

Andrew Walsh (94:10)

That. See, Andrew, that's the kind of prank call I would have made back in the day. I did not have a strategy. So, like, you had a pretty sophisticated strategy.

Luke Burbank (94:18)

Tried.

Andrew Walsh (94:19)

Maybe it's more like if Dick Cavett. If Dick Cavett pranked someone.

Luke Burbank (94:22)

That's what you were working with, by the way. I, I think I'm going to swerve on playing this, but I'm curious. Did you try tracking down the audio of this prank call? Because I do think that's an interesting thing. Like, it did happen kind of live on media because, yeah, his brother, Shador's brother caught it. And I think I might have it here. But it also, I don't trust any of this. Like, I feel like they also, they would have shut it down because it's an embarrassing moment for his brother. Other.

Andrew Walsh (94:48)

I, I, I, I looked around for a little this morning, and then I read the description of it, and I felt like it's probably some people just kind of cheering.

Luke Burbank (94:55)

Yeah.

Andrew Walsh (94:56)

But let's. We could, we could hear it if.

Luke Burbank (94:58)

I mean, I guess I'll give this a shot. This looks like this is something that is, like, maybe the very, very beginning of this might be the original audio.

Andrew Walsh (95:05)

Isn't it called well Paid Media? That's the.

Luke Burbank (95:08)

Yeah, exactly. Which just. I hate that name. Let's just see here. It looks like Shador is outside with a bunch of People, Mickey Loomis here, GM of the. One of the NFL's biggest draft prospects, Shador Sanders, received a call allegedly from the general manager of the New Orleans Saints Friday during the NFL draft. But the call turned out to be a prank. But you're gonna have to wait a little bit longer, man. Okay.

Andrew Walsh (95:33)

Sorry about that.

Luke Burbank (95:37)

What does that mean, this moment? Good question, actually.

Andrew Walsh (95:40)

Yeah, actually, I wish.

Luke Burbank (95:42)

Wish that reporter hadn't talked over it, but I guess we heard the important parts.

Andrew Walsh (95:46)

I have to get, like, honestly, if I'm a coach and I'm trying to decide if now we are just going to sport out for a sec. If I'm trying to decide if I want to pick Shador Sanders, I would take his reaction to that call in the moment as a good sign because what he's doing is he. All this attention is on him is been. He's already multiple days into not being drafted.

Luke Burbank (96:05)

Right.

Andrew Walsh (96:05)

So this is a stressful time for him. And the person is, we're going to have to wait a little longer. And, like, he's still listening. He's actually listening and intaking the information as opposed to just like, if I was in his shoes and I'm getting a call and I just hear it's Mickey Loomis from the Saints. My brain just starts spinning, like, okay, finally, I'm being drafted. I'm no longer hearing. I'm no longer in taking the words.

Luke Burbank (96:25)

Yeah.

Andrew Walsh (96:25)

Mickey Loomis could have said, like, you know, we. We want to. You know, I don't know what. We want to hire you to be our new starting. You know. Yeah. Our new. Our new head cheerleader. They could have said anything, and I would just. I would no longer be hearing words. I'd just be like, buzzing. He's like, yeah, he's kind of like, what does that mean? But he's still listening. Yeah, that's actually good. You need it. You need a quarterback who can kind of like, process information in a certain way. So.

Luke Burbank (96:50)

Yeah. And also, like, you think about, like, you have no experience getting drafted. You know what I mean? Like, you can't.

Andrew Walsh (96:59)

You're like Donald Trump.

Luke Burbank (97:00)

You can't. You can't suss out a prank because you don't have context for it. Like, well, last time I was drafting did it.

Andrew Walsh (97:09)

Right, right, right, right.

Luke Burbank (97:10)

That way, you know, so it's like, it's pretty. Like, it's pretty fertile ground, I guess, for a prank. And I'm with you there. Like. And again, I'm not weighing in on Shador. I've heard some Stories about like, the reason he got drafted so late was because of some behavior. Not, not behavioral, like he had done nasty things, but just like behavioral issues. As far as like kind of being kind of full of himself during coach interviews and being kind of like, you know, aloof and disrespectful or whatever. I don't know if those rumors are true or not. I don't want to, I really don't want to dump on the kid and I don't want him to have to necessarily pay for his father. Father's sins to the degree that they're even sins, just like personality traits. But I gotta say, in that little clip that I saw there and everything I've heard about this, like, as far as the prank is concerned, like, he handled it certainly better than I would have, for damn sure.

Andrew Walsh (97:51)

Yeah. I mean, again, we can talk about this maybe on a no point, at some point two years from now, it'll be very interesting to see what the. How this all ultimately plays out in terms of this, this football player. Player named Shador Sanders. And if he ends up being really good or, or, or not good, or somewhere in the middle, it'll all be a Go Browns kind of situation that we, we will, we'll unpack someday many years from now. In the meantime, I just saw, I'm getting double zero and one minute, which means I believe we've now, we're now entering what, one and a half hours and one minute. Is that what you've got on your.

Luke Burbank (98:28)

Let's see here on my recorder, it looks like I'm up to an hour 43, not counting. That's probably pretty good.

Andrew Walsh (98:37)

Yeah, I think that's plenty of TBTL for one day. So should we go ahead and wrap it up?

Luke Burbank (98:41)

Yeah, let's wrap it up here. Rolled though, we didn't get to the three hour mark. But I mean, I'm hoping that like.

Andrew Walsh (98:46)

But if you play this twice over three hours.

Luke Burbank (98:48)

That's a good point.

Andrew Walsh (98:49)

You listen on your way in and then you listen on your way back home. And the second time you get a whole different kind of layer of experience.

Luke Burbank (98:57)

Yeah, that's right, Jerky. I'm gonna make a lot of prank phone calls today. Got me all fired it up.

Andrew Walsh (99:04)

All right, well, thanks for listening everybody. We will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for all of you. If you could join us for that, we would really appreciate it. In the meantime, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves and please remember, no mountain too tall.

Luke Burbank (99:17)

And good luck to all.

Andrew Walsh (99:24)

He'd been particularly fond of a CD of something called the Jerky Boys. Hello.

Luke Burbank (99:29)

Amen.

Andrew Walsh (99:30)

Hey, Jerky.

Luke Burbank (99:31)

I want to buy a house. Dad.

Andrew Walsh (99:32)

It's got to be big.

Luke Burbank (99:33)

You.

Andrew Walsh (99:33)

You said dad. Buddy, stop.

Luke Burbank (99:36)

Jerky, power out.