
Andrew went to see Friendship yesterday, so he and Luke are able to give a proper (spoiler-free!) review. Luke also reviews a restaurant called Texas Roadhouse after spending 8 minutes there. And Andrew needs help picking a new phone.
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Andrew Walsh
Hello? No one is available to take your call. Please leave a message after the tone.
Luke Burbank
Sea dogs and sea dogs playing with.
Andrew Walsh
A yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
Luke Burbank
Calling the voicemail.
Andrew Walsh
206-414-8285.
Luke Burbank
Power out.
Andrew Walsh
TBTM.
Luke Burbank
Brother, who are you? What are you doing? I. I'm with the news, dude. Today I am making this studio a no embarrassment zone. You seem like a real, real down to earth dude.
Andrew Walsh
Implicitly, you could absolutely, implicitly trust me.
Luke Burbank
I'm gonna bring 110% to the table on a daily basis. So one thing I would do is like this.
Andrew Walsh
Okay, that's great.
Luke Burbank
I love you.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, my God.
Luke Burbank
With your cheekbones and your guitar playing and it's all very, very attractive and very, very talented. Sweetie.
Andrew Walsh
Have a good show. What you. Well, all right.
Luke Burbank
Hello, good morning and welcome everyone to a Tuesday edition of TBT All. The show just might be too beautiful to live.
Andrew Walsh
Two men celebrating each other's strength.
Luke Burbank
My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. Everyone has their own podcast where they have to admit stuff all the time. Coming to you from Longmont, Colorado. Oh, Ma Pa. It's just beautiful. I know that Montana is a big sky country, but I don't know what you call this place. Enormous sky country. I mean, it is. The views are pretty incredible in every direction. I did make a critical error this morning, which was I forgot that the elevation of Longmont, Colorado is just a hair under 5,000ft. So it's more or less a mile high city like its neighbor Denver. And I got out on the mean streets of Longmont, Colorado this morning for a little jog. Nothing too crazy. And at some point I started to think I was having like an asthma attack or in decent amount of discomfort and distress for not going very far on this jog. And was my thoughts were racing. Am I like, have I lost all cardiovascular health? Am I. You know, what is happening to me? And then I remembered we're a mile high and that's the whole thing out here. So. Yeah. But it was a nice morning here in Longmont and we have a nice show in store for you. It's episode 4470 in a collector's series.
Andrew Walsh
Let the fun begin.
Luke Burbank
Over the weekend, I saw the film Friendship and thought it was really interesting. And I hyped it up to my friend Andrew Walsh and then he went and saw it yesterday.
Andrew Walsh
Well, what did everybody think?
Luke Burbank
So now we can finally talk about it as a. As a cobra, a collection of cobros, and we will do that today. Also, I darkened the door of a restaurant here in Longmont, Colorado last night that I will never, and I mean never, ever go to again. No way, Jose. We'll talk about that, too. Oh, and speaking of my good friend, Mr. Andrew Walsh, the longest running cobra of the show, may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships. They just want you to be normal and clearly you're not. He is joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.
Andrew Walsh
Good morning, Luke. I glad you're feeling okay. I'm glad you weren't having a cardiovascular incident event.
Luke Burbank
I just got really out of breath kind of all at once and in a way that I'm not used to. And I was genuinely confused. And this has happened to me before when I have visited Colorado. I think in the other case it was just going up and down stairs in the hotel and just kind of like thinking, wait, is something going on? Because this is not how I usually feel after going up a flight of stairs. And then I have to remember that we're, we're dealing with the whole altitude situation.
Andrew Walsh
The upshot though is you've been hitting so many home runs. I mean, with the air up there, they're just sailing us.
Luke Burbank
We could just get some pitching. We might, we might really be able to put together a championship run here. Yes, that does appear to be. Isn't that the story on the Colorado Rockies and their stadium? Is that great place to hit home runs?
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. Hey, when we were in Denver for the TBT L A thon, we were just actually reminiscing quite heartily about that a few days ago on the show. Do you remember having that? Because you were going for jogs there too. Do you remember that being there?
Luke Burbank
I think I might have had a little more time to acclimate because we maybe were there for a couple days setting up before the jog. And also I think I was at that time going on a little bit shorter distances too, or maybe running a little more slowly. I've been kind of doing what they call speed work occasionally trying to up my pace. So I don't know if that's part of it. I don't remember the last time we were here and when I was doing those like, eagle soaring jogs. I don't remember having an incident like I had today. But that could have been because of some. Some other factors.
Andrew Walsh
Now that, now that we know you're going to live, can we turn the attention to me and my personal needs and how the listeners can help me make a big decision in my life? Yeah. So after something happened Yesterday I realized I've put off getting a new phone long enough. And by the way, like I'm not carrying around a phone that's like a decade old. I'm carrying around a phone that's five years old. But it feels like a DEC because of, you know, the way technology moves and all the apps get faster and bigger and whatever. And so my 5 year old phone feels like a relic. It's a Galaxy S10. They're now up to the Galaxy S25. But between the two of us, don't tell me I said this. I think they skipped a few numbers in there. I don't know.
Luke Burbank
That sounds like me doing tbtl.
Andrew Walsh
I sent Samsung a note, I said.
Luke Burbank
It'S not a big deal, the numbering off guys.
Andrew Walsh
Not a big deal. Just so you know the numbering.
Luke Burbank
You know what I realized when I get the numbering off, has there ever been. Has it ever been the case that I've gotten the numbering off and I've went too high with the number? No, it's always almost by definition, it's that I've just, I've missed a show and I've probably underreported. Don't you think it's. It's almost always a case of underreporting the show number we're on. Not over reporting?
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, I would guess so. And I assume that you're doing that for tax reasons, you know.
Luke Burbank
Yeah. I was telling you and John are roped into some very questionable situations with tbtb. I just want to give you kind of a heads up on that.
Andrew Walsh
I was telling you the other day that some listeners were pointing out some holes in our complete TBTL archive saying this number is missing or that number is missing. And so for almost every one that was missing, I had it on a hard drive somewhere just for some reason didn't transfer properly. I think it had to do with maybe naming conventions being slightly off. I don't even think it was your fault at the time. I don't know. We've transferred probably. Well, we transferred our archives a bunch of times and when you're just transferring that much data, like you're just going to get some loss here and there. Anyway, I was able to kind of hunt and pack, find them and upload them. And there was a time most of these were in 2011 for some reason. And there was a time I knew this from kind of transferring the archive originally that there were some shows that were somehow like, this is so boring in the metadata. The date was off by one, but the shows Were fine. Like, in other words, I think for a while there. And again, I don't think this is original sin here. This isn't on you. But, like, it was almost like the TBTL week went from, like, Tuesday to Saturday or something like that. You know what I mean? If you were actually tracking down the dates that were kind of saved in the data, it didn't really matter much. I adjusted for that. But as I was hunting around and finding these missing shows, I had to listen to them very carefully just to make sure. Like, okay, this should be this number and this date. And you've always said the date. At least you say the day of the week at the beginning of every show and the number. And I did not detect in probably hunting down a couple dozen of these and maybe even like, 30 of these missing files. You were never off. However, there were several episodes where you pre apologized for being off, and you were just like, oh, I'm probably off. Please just don't get at me. And this is way back. This is 2011. I'm talking about.
Luke Burbank
Oh, my God.
Andrew Walsh
And you were just like, I know the numbers are off, please. And I was like, no numbers are on, dude. You're fine. You're fine. And so, I don't know.
Luke Burbank
I can't even imagine the chaos of those days because it's like, we're not at the radio station anymore. I'm kind of in charge of things now. But again, the broadcast is being held up by a stick. There's a sort of quasi employee in Jen, maybe at the time. Have you come on by 2011 yet?
Andrew Walsh
I heard part of my very first appearance. Not the time Genevieve and I came to visit. And you just heard us off mic once. But I heard the very beginning of it was either the first. First or second time I was on the show. So I was either talking about my runaway note. No, I think it was the very first time because I was talking about being a telemarketer. Telemarketer. And I listened to the beginning of that. I made it, like, I don't know, 30 seconds into hearing me before. I just was like, I can't do this. I don't have. Whatever it takes, whatever fortitude it takes to listen to myself be nervous on TBTL in 2011. So, I mean, I was just starting to sneak my way in as kind of a occasional guest there because you and I were working together at the radio station.
Luke Burbank
So, I mean, there were just, like. There was, you know, famously, the show in San Diego where I was on my way out to go do this corporate gig that was pretty soul crushing. And I had gotten just absolutely smashed the night before. I just feel. Felt as bad as a person can just, like, physically and probably spiritually. There was, you know, a period of time where the show was a half hour long because that's all I could muster when I was doing them solo. Like, it's. You know, this thing was. This show was. Was. It was hanging by a thread there for a while. And it's kind of amazing, really, that it's. That it. It stabilized. You're, of course, a huge part of that, and then that I managed to keep you on board while you were working a very stressful, hard job as the executive producer of a public radio show in Los Angeles, which is not an easy gig. Somehow. There were so many points where this thing could have just. It could have just gone away, and it kind of didn't. And, you know, and here we are, you know, face to face. A couple of silver spoons. It's kind of a miracle.
Andrew Walsh
And that's what I want to tell you. Today is my last show. As soon as I just figure out what phone to get. So back to the gas station.
Luke Burbank
You have explained to John how to upload the show?
Andrew Walsh
No, I'm gonna explain to you how to upload the show.
Luke Burbank
Oh, boy. Okay, let me get a pencil.
Andrew Walsh
So yesterday.
Luke Burbank
Okay, yeah, back to your phone.
Andrew Walsh
After watching the movie Friendship, which we'll probably talk about in a little bit. And by the way, we'll try to keep it spoiler free. I did get an email, somebody or a note or something that said, hey, listen, the movie hasn't even opened up across the states yet. It's only in select theaters right now. Could you just, like, give us a chance to watch before you just move.
Luke Burbank
To a place where it's one of the 60 screens where it's airing?
Andrew Walsh
No, I think that they would.
Luke Burbank
It's not really a spoilery kind of movie.
Andrew Walsh
No, we don't. We won't. We won't spoil it. But I thought that was very fair. And by the way, there was no. I put the tone in that. There was no actual snark in it. They were.
Luke Burbank
No, that person's on my list now.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, exactly. I don't even know the name. It's just came from a phone number. But it's just like, hey, I'm gonna go see it Thursday. Just like, try to avoid spoilers if possible. It's just completely fair. But after I got done seeing movie a spoiler, jimp. Just Say, Jim sort of is. I gotta say that is one thing. Like, this is a movie that is. We'll talk. You'll know when we're talking about it. But it's a movie that mostly lives on cringe, which then makes the actual funny parts funny, but it's not tons of laughs. And so therefore, I actually would be careful. I was really worried that you were gonna spoil some of the laugh lines for me yesterday because I work in. You didn't. But I want to make.
Luke Burbank
Yeah, because I was tempted to explain to you the parts that made me and Becca laugh, but then I tried to generalize them so they could. You could experience them for the first time yourself.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, I appreciate that, because that's a pretty big deal for me. I think I remember that even the. The very first. I think you should leave sketch, or maybe the one that was on Netflix before it was officially a show. I remember you loved it, but you told me every joke ahead of time. And then I watched it. And then you were like, why don't you. Why aren't you as obsessed with this? I was like, well, because I kind of heard it first. I wasn't mad about it, but I just. It's just a different thing. Anyway. Yeah, all that is to. We'll talk about the movie later. We're not even talking about it yet. But I did go to see it by myself. I thought there was a certain irony and going to see a movie called Friendship, about male friendship, and I'm just going in the middle of the day by myself. Downtown. Huge theater, by the way, that was completely empty. Because this is the downtown theater. It's not one of those more modern, smaller ones with the chairs that go back and massage you and your least favorite movie experience.
Luke Burbank
Although by yourself, if you got one of those theaters 100% to yourself, maybe that would change your opinion.
Andrew Walsh
Now, I don't want to sit in the. I don't want to sit in somebody else's public couch. It's gross. I just. Jesus, can we just. When we leave our houses, can we, like, pretend that we're in public? Just like, two hours during a movie. Anyway, having said all that. Boy, can you hear me wheezing? I think I'm wheezing. It's still.
Luke Burbank
I did catch that. What altitude are you at right now? You're below sea level in the basement.
Andrew Walsh
Let's say this story is about me meeting up with Vivs for drinks. And let's just say that those drinks continued into the evening and followed us around to various Bars.
Luke Burbank
When I saw a photograph of Teddy's as the Mariners were triumphing, I. First of all, I thought, this has turned into a really fun day for Andrew. But I thought, also, good chance it'll turn into a very fun night for Andrew.
Andrew Walsh
Yes. And Viv. So I went to see the theater by myself. Genevieve is a grown adult and has a job and can't just say, oh, I need to go see this movie for work. And so I see the movie, but I'm texting her kind of throughout the day. In fact, I had texted her a couple of things about the cats earlier in the day, and she didn't respond. But she's been really, really busy at work lately, so no big deal. And then she was planning on meeting me downtown for a drink and to watch the Mariners game after the movie. So I texted her before the movie, hey, let's meet at this cheesy sports bar that's around the corner. And she didn't respond, which is fine. So the movie ended. I'm like, you know what? Like, I can make my. I can hop on the train, which is, like, right here, literally, like, half a block away, and be at Teddy's. And almost the time it would take me to choose a st. This cheesy sports bar around the corner. And the one reason I was going to go to the sports bar was because they serve food there. But I was like, oh, I just ate tons of popcorn. Like, I'm not even hungry. So let's just. To Teddy's it is, right? So I text Genevieve, okay, you know what? New plan. I'm heading to Teddy's. I'll meet you there. And I just figured, you know, that's easier for her anyway. She works in the University district. That's a much closer train ride.
Luke Burbank
And you do Meyer Waltz sign work.
Andrew Walsh
Exactly. And so everybody wins.
Luke Burbank
I.
Andrew Walsh
And then. And then I'm on the train, and I'm taking. It's kind of, you know, like, I don't know, five stops or something from downtown up to Ro. And I'm texting a buddy of mine. No issues. We're joking back and forth about some stuff. Buddy in New York, for whatever that's worth. I have friends in New York. No, just saying that because the technology was working fine. But then, oh, I know. I'm listening to the beginning of the game on my phone, and my phone will do this thing, or the MLB app will do this thing where when the phone goes to sleep, it'll kill the audio on the MLB app. It's not Supposed to do that. It just gets janky sometimes. So I have to restart my phone. So I'm like, okay, I'm sitting on the train, let me restart my phone. I promise you this is going somewhere. I restart my phone. And after I restart my phone, I start getting ping, ping, ping, ping, ping. I have missed so many text messages going back Saturday. Genevieve is giving me an update on Jeff Pozola singing karaoke at the Eagles on Saturday. I didn't.
Luke Burbank
She had seen a one time TBTL newscaster. It all comes back to the olden days.
Andrew Walsh
Exactly one to drop. Drop a little poach in there.
Luke Burbank
Joe Knowledge.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. And so she had seen a coyote in the cemetery by our house. Send me a picture of that. That was on like Sunday morning or something.
Luke Burbank
Like, hold on.
Andrew Walsh
I had missed all. Not even just from her, but from other people, from pop up people coordinating things. I had missed tons of text messages that I don't know why some were getting through and some were not. Is the point.
Luke Burbank
Let me just ask quickly. This was not commented upon in the household. Hey, what did you think of that picture of the coyote I sent to you? Like, it's interesting to me that these, it sounds like you missed these. You did not respond to these messages, but there was no consequences for not responding to them.
Andrew Walsh
No. Because, you know, Genevieve probably, I think maybe she sent me that coyote picture when I was volunteering. So she probably just thought I was busy. She did tell me later on Sunday, before I saw the photo, she said, hey, I saw coyote in the. In the cemetery. We've been talking about that because there are a lot of them there. There are too many of them there. And so it's been sort of a talk in the neighborhood. So that's just like the coyote thing has just been an ongoing conversation. She didn't follow up and say specifically, did you see my photo of it? So, no, none of them. I did think it was kind of funny because this is where. This is where cat ownership. Oh, the cat owners understand what I'm about to say. Like, a big chunk of my conversations with these are kind of like updates on the cats. And when we say updates. I texted Genevieve in all caps yesterday from my desk. Bingo just launched from my desk to the faraway windowsill, which is something that our older cat had been able to do. But Bingo has always been too, like, small and weak to make this one flying leap from the edge of my desk to this far away, like the windowsill that's further away from the desk. And he just launched himself into it yesterday and I was like the cat.
Luke Burbank
Equivalent of like measuring the cats and in pencil on the door jamb.
Andrew Walsh
Yes, right.
Luke Burbank
Development. It's a developmental stage for the cats. They can make this leap now.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. And I don't really think he's growing anymore. So I just figured out that's just too. That's too far of a jump for him. That's fine. And so I was pretty. That was the one that I was like, oh, that's funny that Genevieve isn't as excited about that as I am. But I know that Genevieve was having a tough day. And so again, that was one of the only ones that I thought, oh, that's interesting. But yeah. And also, you remember yesterday, you, me and John had a somewhat confusing text conversation. I was getting follow ups, but I'd missed the original text that you.
Luke Burbank
Right, okay.
Andrew Walsh
For some reason that one of the texts had gotten stuck. And so I only got all the follow ups. And so anyway, I'm on the train. I'm like, like, this is it, bud. Like, I've been saying I need a new phone for a while. I know it's going to happen here. It's going to be one of those things where I'm like, well, I can't buy it right away because I have to spend some time to do the research. And then I'm finally going to just say that one and I'm just going to point to something. I'm going to get myself one of those Mickey Mouse party phones from the 80s. Like, I don't even like, get a cricket.
Luke Burbank
Just get something with like a giant button for 911 and another giant button for your grandchildren.
Andrew Walsh
I'm just going to get something I can wear around my neck and push a button. I need somebody life alert. So this is where I could use the listeners. I'm not asking you to do your research. My research for me. I have some reviews of comparing these two phones. It looks like it's a pretty obvious choice between the Pixel 9 or the Samsung S25. I guess it is there, but similar price. They seem to be like the two people are gravitating around. I would just like to know if anybody has any warning stories about either one of those phones. Like, oh, you won't realize until you have it that you aren't able to text Genevieve on it. First of all, I don't know why.
Luke Burbank
That would be text Genevieve problem probably for you. Now, can I weigh in on this? Because I actually have Samsung thoughts by way of Denver International Airport yesterday. As I was walking through dia. I. I noticed that they had a sign near one of the TSA stations that said, now you can download your ID into this Samsung app and use it at various airports. Now, I don't know what the various airports are, and I don't know if this. I think this. It struck me that this might be distinct from the. There are certain states.
Andrew Walsh
The Georgia law we were talking about just the other day. Yeah, right.
Luke Burbank
So there are certain places. I don't think it's very many. There are certain states where you're allowed to upload your ID into this, you know, secure app. Your driver. This is because I, by the way, I still don't have a driver's license. Like, a physical copy of my driver's license, but. But, like, so you can upload that into your phone and then you can use it to get through security. So if, heaven forbid, you were to lose your ID on a trip, you'd still have it. Now, I saw this Samsung thing, and I thought, ooh, that's actually a very attractive. I don't know if. If that just overlays with the, whatever, three or four states that currently do it, or if that's its own kind of a program that somehow Samsung has gotten some kind of a, you know, like, whatever you want to call it, a variance on or something like they're allowed to do this. But I have to say, like, man, if having a Samsung phone allows you to upload your driver's license into it and use that in more places than you would otherwise, that's a kind of an appealing sales pitch to me.
Andrew Walsh
If that's accurate. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit dubious that technology. I mean, in this day and age. What I'm about to say sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but even at this stage of muskism, I'd be sort of surprised if a technological doodad that is proprietary technology over, like, kind of supersedes actual federal flying law. You know what I mean? Like, I have a feeling, like, it might just be something. It's. It might just be. Their version of ours is toasted. You know what I mean? It might just be them trying to, like, distinguish themselves, even though it's either accepted or not. You know what I mean? As far as the official.
Luke Burbank
Here's what AI says, which, again, can we trust the AI because it's. It's part of the whole problem.
Andrew Walsh
Trust it more.
Luke Burbank
It might just be, you know, Also. Also, it's very sad, Andrew, how many times I'm now just reading the AI summary. Like I feel. Yeah, I feel my humanity sort of decomposing in real time because we used to. You and I both used to complain like, AI, don't summarize this for me, this is BS. But then on the 30th time I just started reading it because it was the top of the page and now it doesn't feel weird for me to read it. Here's what AI Overview says. Yes, you can use your Samsung Galaxy Phone's Samsung Wallet to store and present your digital driver's license or state ID at TSA checkpoints. The TSA now accept mobile IDs stored in Samsung Wallet.
Andrew Walsh
Okay, so it is specific. Okay, so everything I just said, if that's to be believed, is completely the opposite of the truth.
Luke Burbank
But also that could maybe only apply to the places where this has already been made legal. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I would be very surprised if I could walk up to the airport in Portland and show them my ID on my phone, even in a Samsung phone and have them go, right this way, sir. Like, I feel like there needs to be at a state level some agreement that they're going to do this before, like you said, the technological solution or the, you know, Samsung. I'm just repeating you now, but I pray to God anyway, we're not yet at the. At the place where Samsung is setting state policy for IDs.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, right. Yes.
Luke Burbank
But although that feels extremely plausible, unfortunately.
Andrew Walsh
We'Re out of step there. I am surprised. I'm looking at the Net and this is going to get kind of boring, so I'll make this quick. But I am looking at the Galaxy S series phones because this is mostly what I've had since I ever got like a actual smartphone that didn't have its own keyboard or whatever. So going back a ways, I've been, you know, on the Samsung Galaxy tip. And so I have the S10 which came out in I guess 2019, so I guess it's six years old. They did release one. I see what they did here. They, they went from, you know, S8, S9, S10, and then in the year 2020 they just changed it so that the number reflects the year. So they just skipped everything between 10 and 20i. And then in 2020 they released the S20 and I did not realize that they have released one every year since. So there was a 21, a 22, etc. And now I guess the 25 is relatively new. If I were to get this, this week, then I'd be getting a piece of technology that came out merely five months ago, which is appealing to me. It's rare that I'm that. That current with these things, but get a phone and maybe it'll make me a better person all around.
Luke Burbank
Well, I would say really enjoy this week of consequence free, not responding to people.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, well, I would. You know, I were you. I'm out and about.
Luke Burbank
You're out and about? I got out and about last night, Andrew, in this hotel district that I'm in in Longmont, Colorado. Longmont is an interesting little area. I haven't explored it too much, but it appears to be mostly like really sprawling, kind of tech, one story, office park kind of territory. Like, this morning I jogged by what I believe is the world headquarters for SanDisk, I. E. The people that make the SD cards. I thought, yeah, I sometimes, like, I have a big fear of like, not having an SD card that works when I'm on the road. Like, I have a couple of extras in my bag just in case. Like, you know, we use these. I use them for recording as sort of a backup. But I looked, I was, I was routing my run this morning and I said, I'm gonna run by a gigantic office park that says SANDISK on it. I could probably get one there if I need.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, my God. I mean, when you say that, I. I just, I don't need an SD card right now, but I'm just like, like, drawn towards the idea of it. Like, I picture, like, if you work there, first of all, the main vein.
Luke Burbank
They just have bowls, just gushing. SD cards are just shooting out of some sort of a.
Andrew Walsh
Well, there's definitely a ball pit of SD cards that you can jump in. Like, obviously that's for fun. But also like in the lobby and everything, it's just probably like bowls, like instead of candy. They just probably have. Just grab yourself a handful of discs and put it in your pocket. I love. I want to go there. It's like Willy Wonka.
Luke Burbank
That is, I think, probably the most excited response that anyone's ever given to finding out that somebody else was staying near Sand Disc World.
Andrew Walsh
But anyway, Wilder is rowing me down a river of sand discs and telling.
Luke Burbank
Me, which of the kids would you be? Would you. Because here's the thing, you're too excited about it. So you might be. Would you be Augustus Gloop of Discs?
Andrew Walsh
No, obviously I'm Charlie. I am this.
Luke Burbank
Okay. I mean, I think you're pure hearted. I do think you're very Pure hearted. But you're also a little too hyped about this, my friend. So that's why they'd find you like trying to like put your mouth into the river of sand discs.
Andrew Walsh
I'm dipping. They catch me dipping a computer into the. I'm dipping my laptop, just going, no, you can't put it in there directly. What are you doing? Out, get out.
Luke Burbank
But it's also this kind of place where I'm staying in a residence inn, which by the way, I'm a residence inn guy. I've said this before, like, and I'm not even in a particularly new one, honestly. It's kind of old, but like these places are clean. The staff is really nice. It involves a kitchen that I've literally never used. But I just kind of like it being here. Like this is my go to if you know, if I'm staying somewhere that maybe doesn't have anything more bougie. It's generally speaking always treated me right. But it's also like I'm near a Candlewood Inn suite. It's like, it's my hotel. It's a Spring Hill suite. It's a Candlewood Inn. It's a. I'm forgetting there's like five of these very sort of like generic kind of corporate hotels that you stay in when you have a meeting with the Sandisk people.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, right, of course you came.
Luke Burbank
And, and so they've got the sort of, they've got the style of restaurants that are like walkable from here that appeal to somebody who's here to do business with the Sandisk people but need to get something to eat the night before. And so I was kind of wandering around last night looking for somewhere to eat. They had a Red Robin, they had a, like a, some kind of a tiki restaurant. And then they had a place I've never been before but that I have been, I don't even want to say intrigued by, but I heard a data point about this place that I was surprised, which is that I believe it is right now maybe one of the fastest growing restaurant chains in America. It ranks very high in terms of. I guess I don't think you'd call it fast casual. I think this is more just like sit down dining. But it's called Texas Roadhouse. Have you been to a Texas Roadhouse or have spent any amount of your time thinking about the words Texas Roadhouse in that order?
Andrew Walsh
No, not that I can recall.
Luke Burbank
Nor have I, other than reading some article at some point maybe about the demise of Red Lobster. Or Olive Garden or something. Just kind of reading about the industry as it relates to these sort of kinds of restaurants. The kinds of restaurants that you'll see in suburban America, often in, you know, again, one of these huge, you know, paradises that's been paved and now it's mostly parking lot. And you've got a Best Buy and you've got a this and a. And then you've got a Texas. And Texas Roadhouse, again, is apparently very successful and one of the fastest growing restaurant chains. And that struck me because I thought they must be doing something right there if they're growing faster than any as these other restaurant chains are sort of suffering. If they're growing. There must be something special about this place. And so, And I, you know, I don't eat a ton of meat, but I figured they gotta have a salad in there that I could have and a baked potato. I mean, I understood that it was gonna be sort of steak forward, but like, they probably have some land crab. They've probably got, you know, a few things that I could find on the menu that would be fine. And so I mostly went in just kind of from an anthropological perspective. Like, I just wanted to kind of see what this was all about and why it was so popular. And so I got seated. I will say the staff was incredibly nice. Very, very well trained staff. But I sat down, I ordered my diet Coke. I started looking at the menu for stuff that I could eat. And then I started looking around at the food that was being brought out to everybody else. Because by the way, plays was hopping on a Monday night in Longmont, Colorado. And I just want to say, Andrew, and this is peace and love. If we have somebody who works at Texas Roadhouse, I just want to say again, the staffing, everything about this place seemed great from the personnel standpoint. But when I tell you, Andrew, that the food that came out looked sub cafeteria, it was wild. Like, it was. I could not believe how bad the aesthetic presentation of the food was. Whether it was like, it was like. It really felt. Seemed like something that you would be getting at your. At your middle school cafeteria in the late 1980s. Like, I saw a steak come out with mashed potatoes and it was just like, like the mashed potatoes looked. Looked. Looked gray and the gravy looked brown and the steak looked something or else. And then people. Every single item of food I saw go past me looked less edible than what other people had been getting. And I would just. Absolutely. And I sort of panicked. I was like, also, by the way, There was almost nothing on the menu I could eat. And also, I want to look. I don't know why I need to be dissing this place, Texas Roadhouse. I was just kind of shocked that this was the thing that was somehow apparently beguiling the food consumers, the restaurant attendees of America, that I really went in expecting them to have some kind of a. You know, how Olive Garden. They've got their unlimited breadsticks and salad, and I don't know what Red Lobster. Red Lobster's got whatever. Lobster Fest or Shrimp Fest or something like that. Like, most of these places, they kind of, you know, Buca di beppo, right? Like, it's like they give you a crazy amount of food, and you can sit in the kitchen at that pope's table if you want. Like, I feel like each one of these chain restaurants, they develop something that's kind of their thing, and it's kind of fun, and it's kind of sets them apart, and it's like. It's why people like to go to that place. I could not, other than the workers being really nice there, I could not, for the life of me observe anything about the food that was being brought out that would in any way make this something distinct. Like, it was so incredibly middle of the road looking that I basically just kind of. I kind of just. I snuck out of there. I'm not totally proud of this, but I didn't know how to tell the server. I had. I had ordered my Diet Coke. I put down five bucks for my Diet Coke. I hope that's how much it was. I didn't have the heart to tell the server. The food here looks largely inedible to me. And also, I. There's nothing on here for somebody like me other than like, a very. There wasn't even, like, a big. A big salad. You know, like, hey, we do our shrimp salad, and it's a. Or our wedge salad, hold the bacon or something. Like, there was literally, like, a house salad you could get or a Caesar salad, and I saw those coming out, and those were very modest in terms of the different kinds of ingredients and stuff. Like. Like, I was kind of amazed, and I didn't know how to tell this to the server, so I left some cash, and then I did my move, Andrew, which is. I pretended to be getting a phone call.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, that's your move?
Luke Burbank
Well, the couple of times I've been in a situation like this before where I just want to. I need to escape. But without talking to anybody about it, I pretend I'm on the phone, pretend I'm getting a phone call. And then I go, uh huh, uh huh. Hold on. I'm stepping outside. And then I walk outside of the place and then I just break into a dead sprint.
Andrew Walsh
Just action movie style.
Luke Burbank
Yes. Just with my hands like blades.
Andrew Walsh
Yes.
Luke Burbank
Like, you know what I mean? My hands are just like stiff. Like a Tom Cruise run.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, yeah.
Luke Burbank
Did you see today that he. You and I are having very different Tom Cruise experiences? I think. Because I think his whole, the whole Tom Cruise does his own stunts thing, it's pretty, it's pretty cringe. And then just kind of like the more that Tom Cruise does to say like today, I believe he was quoted to say he wants to be the first action star over age 100 to star in an action movie.
Andrew Walsh
No, I did not see this.
Luke Burbank
I saw that headline.
Andrew Walsh
Although I heard something pretty. Something that shocked me. I mean it makes total sense and it's not a hidden fact. But. Well, I got to the movies very early yesterday in time to see the beginning of Maria Menudos new Vie segment.
Luke Burbank
Somehow heartbreak feels good.
Andrew Walsh
Yes. I got to see the whole kit and caboodle, the whole thing, all the commercials, everything thing. It was actually helpful because I even saw a commercial for Indeed that had good audio that I can use in tonight's after these Messages podcast. So I'm always working. The point is TBT is paying ABC.
Luke Burbank
Always be contenting yesterday.
Andrew Walsh
But I was going to say that, oh, in one of the first things and they kind of the, you know, that new V fake news is just like commercials that are packaged with Maria Menudo Menudos menounos. Okay. Anyway, they did a little package on the Mission Impossible franchise. They started it by making it seem like it was a look back at the year 1996, I want to say. And so they're talking about this is what was going on in 1996. You could burn CDs for the first time and this and that and this and that. And they mentioned and this.
Luke Burbank
SanDisk was just a startup company in Longmont.
Andrew Walsh
And they mentioned that in Mission Impossible, you know, dropped its first movie. And I'm like not paying that much attention. I'm sort of getting settled in my seat or whatever. And then they're like. And 30 years later, the final movie in that franchise is dropping. It occurred to me like, wow, that was a like a 30 year franchise that didn't have any significant downtime that required a reboot. You know what I mean? If you think of something that was like 30 years in the Making like that, it means that probably some sort of movie IP or whatever maybe went dormant for a while, then somebody picked it back up with new actors, new creative team or whatever. But, like, no, that franchise in its current state, with current, you know, talent and creative and everything has been going on for 30 years. Does that shock you? I was shocked. This feels like an old man.
Luke Burbank
Absolutely shocking.
Andrew Walsh
But, yeah, it's.
Luke Burbank
That's. And that, you know, I would say that's probably a testament to Tom Cruise and his youthful sort of appearance and ways and things, because, like, you know, he's not. He's not aging at the same rate that the rest of us are in terms of, like, his physicality. And so he can keep being the guy. Whereas, you know, even Harrison Ford, you know, you see Harrison Ford's roles kind of changing. He's still like. He's still a badass, but he's kind of like, you know, when they remade Raiders of the Lost Ark, it was like Shia LaBeouf or something. It wasn't. He's not the guy doing the whip at a, you know, big rock. I'm unfamiliar with a lot of the plot of Indiana Jones, but I think it's a movie where he whips a rock.
Andrew Walsh
He whips a rock? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait, that's a rock. Rolling 60 Shades of Jones.
Luke Burbank
I think that you're thinking of that possible show title.
Andrew Walsh
That's a different one. Yeah.
Luke Burbank
But the reason I say that we're going in different directions with Cruise is because I was talking to this guy that I've become friends with named Marshall, who produced, like, the Last Samurai and a couple of. A number of movies with Tom Cruise. And I was like, so what is the deal with this guy? And he was like, he's like the nicest guy you would ever meet on these sets. And he is like, you know, he makes eye contact with everyone. He talks to everyone, including the crew. He's. And he was like. He's just. He's the most prepared person on the set. But he's also really good with everyone, I think because of the jumping on the couch with Oprah and the Scientology and then him screaming at the. The crew on that pandemic era movie. I had really kind of gotten a very sort of curdled view of this guy.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, I thought we had. I thought we had the complete. Because we've talked about this before, because everything that you said lines up with what I would expect of him. You are right. I forgot about the jumping on the couch. That was a. That was a tough period for his.
Luke Burbank
Pr, for all of us.
Andrew Walsh
But like, since then, that even like sort of yelling at the crew thing was always spun as a pretty positive thing because he was a consummate professional and he really did feel the. Cause I feel like you and I have said before, like, like, like I don't. I think he's cringe. I don't think he's a bad guy. And I actually respect his. I think he's really, really, really dedicated to his craft. Like, whether or not you're a fan of it. I wouldn't say I'm necessarily a fan. I don't. I think Genevieve has taken me to some Mission Impossible movies. They're all the same to me. At one point he has to hold his breath underwater for a really long time while something spins around. Like, I remember that.
Luke Burbank
Fly a helicopter underwater.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, Like, I literally can't tell you much about it other than like I ate some popcorn and had a good time. But like, I always assumed that he was, he was a good guy and that, that like rant is sort of more part and parcel with his nerdiness about aspect ratio or that video that he made, you know, that like he just really.
Luke Burbank
To that end, we'd like a moment of your time to talk about video interpolation.
Andrew Walsh
Very good. Wow. Yes. I don't know. I think I believe that. I mean, I'm happy to hear it, I'm happy to have it reinforced, but I just want. On the record, I've never thought that he's a jerk or something. I think he's just a little cringy when he does that, like that, that, you know, those Olympic stunts or whatever. I'm like, oh my God, dude. Like I, that's just not for me.
Luke Burbank
I think I had kind of developed a, like a more negative view of like a person who. And again, I don't think this is true. But you know, you hear these, these. It's kind of weird, these rumors. I remember being a kid and hearing a rumor that Sylvester Stallone got somebody fired from a ski lift because they said something about his height. By the way, how did that rumor in a pre Internet era, how did that get to a 14 year old Luke Burbank in Seattle, Washington? Like, what was the game of telephone that, you know, I'd like to know.
Andrew Walsh
If that was widespread. That's not one that I had heard. That's not one that liked me in Ohio too.
Luke Burbank
That got to me in Seattle that Sylvester Stallone was very, very insecure about his height. And that if you commented on it or asked him about it, you were immediately fired, including someone who was working a ski lift. And, like, you know, Tom Cruise is also maybe not the tallest guy. And so I kind of had. I had sort of. I had somehow created this idea that he was very insulated by some group of people that just, like. So that no one could ever. I don't know. Like, I think I had sort of the opposite opinion of what it sounds like he is actually about in real life. And you're right. I think his worst. The worst criticism is that he's a little. He's a bit cringe, and he's covering up the whereabouts of David Miskovich's wife, the head of Scientology, which I. I find to be also a little bit troubling.
Andrew Walsh
That weighs it down a little bit, I suppose. She.
Luke Burbank
Does she do her own stunts of disappearing for. For the last 20 years.
Andrew Walsh
Dark.
Luke Burbank
Anyway, we all knew it would end up here on today's episode. But the point is, I ran, like, Tom Cruise away from that Texas roadhouse right before it exploded. And I made it over to a sushi joint, which was totally serviceable. I got a double miso, Andrew.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, nice. Oh, I still have a little miso in the fridge I should finish. Okay.
Luke Burbank
I know everything ended well. I guess I. I didn't. I don't know why I needed to get up early today to, like, kind of be negative about a restaurant, but I guess I literally wanted to report this as a public service that, like, if you're in a place and there's, like, four restaurants you can go to, and one is a Texas roadhouse. I'm. I'm not. I can't personally vouch for it being the right decision. Now maybe somebody out there loves it, and they've got their special thing they order, and it's really good to. That I salute you. Like, that's me and Red Robin. I've got a whole. Got a long history with red, by the way. There was also a Red Robin here.
Andrew Walsh
Oh.
Luke Burbank
Which I didn't go to because it.
Andrew Walsh
Doesn'T really fit your eating lifestyle these days.
Luke Burbank
It's not fitting my eating lifestyle right now. And also, they have red Robin. That's part of why I went to this Texas Roadhouse, because I was like, well, I'm somewhere that's not my hometown. I want to do something. I want to explore. I want to live moss. And so the Red Robin. I mean, I've been to Red Robin a trillion times. It's not. Why would I do that. But anyway, what were you going to say? You have some tech.
Andrew Walsh
Well, one thing I wanted to tell you. This is just so lame that I have to do it this way, but I wanted to make you laugh so bad when you were listing the other chain restaurants. I can't think of the name of the chain restaurant. Something Spaghetti. That is in the movie Friendship. Remember he referenced it a couple of.
Luke Burbank
Times and they end up going there for dinner.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, just a dinner scene. That's not a spoiler other than they eat dinner at one point.
Luke Burbank
They eat dinner, everyone deal with it.
Andrew Walsh
But it's something. It's like Ricky, isn't it? Like Ricky Silly Spaghetti. I thought it was an adjective that had alliteration, but I could be wrong about that. Anyway, if I had just dropped that on you in the moment, it would have made you laugh. But I did. I'm. I just wanted to know if you happen to remember it. But I know what you mean about that kind of chain restaurant. You know this about me. Like, I grew up like. Well, I grew up kind of in the middle of nowhere. But then when I became like, you know, maybe high school aged or whatever, I lived in the suburbs. And I love a good. Like there's something so comforting about slipping into. Just let me just slip into an Applebee's for a little bit. Let me just.
Luke Burbank
Absolutely.
Andrew Walsh
I told you, like, like when I was really hungry when I was fasting the day before my colonoscopy, I was having like fantasies about going to Chili's afterwards. I heard from a friend who said, oh, the closest Chili's to Seattle is actually in Spokane. Did you know that? Whoa. There aren't even Chili's around here.
Luke Burbank
What? You're in a Chili's desert.
Andrew Walsh
I am, Yeah. I think maybe you are.
Luke Burbank
Don't talk about this enough.
Andrew Walsh
But anyway, so I definitely appreciate it. It's like, yeah, you don't. You know, I think maybe I'm not.
Luke Burbank
Down on these chain restaurants.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. Like there's a time and a place for that. And it can be so. It can hit the spot. And so I understand. I just want to say I understand that disappointment. Like, because it could just be like, well, listen, if I have guests coming into town or whatever and we're going to go out to dinner together, we're not going to go to a Tech. Is it Texas Roadhouse or whatever.
Luke Burbank
Texas Roadhouse.
Andrew Walsh
But if you're traveling, it's one like. Well, third, third, second. Joe de Lair reference on the show this week, I believe. But he was a buddy of mine. And I remember him when he was on his early book tours, he was telling me and V's and we quoted all the time. He's like, my secret is that I really like Chili's, but I can only eat it when I'm on the road because they're just not around that much. But when I'm in an airport, it's like, well, I don't have any options. I guess I'll just go to Chili's. And I just sort of find that charming. Like, you're on the road there, you're in the Sandisk capital district, district of the world. And it's like, you're probably not seeking out a Texas roadhouse during your, let's say, regular life or whatever, but you're there. You're sort of a captive of the moment. Let me go check this out. To have it be a disappointment. It's like the time I ordered those chicken riblets at Applebee's and I was like, these are inedible. Like, literally. Not that it tasted bad. They were just inedible because you couldn't eat around the bone.
Luke Burbank
I wanted to see what it was that this place was doing that is causing it to be one of the few success stories of this kind of level of chain restaurant. And I just was expecting. And again, somebody might write in and say, well, you didn't order the this. Or it wasn't your birthday. Or like, you know, there might be some kind of a special thing that I just kind of missed out on. But I was looking for that. I was, you know, I was. I was. I wanted to see some sort of a little production or something on the menu that was like, oh, this is what we do. This is kind of how it all started. This is what people always get when they come here, you know, unlimited this or whatever. I don't know. I was looking for something to explain its existence. And I kind of didn't observe that. And I just thought that was. I was a bit surprised by that.
Andrew Walsh
I gotta say, though, I am on their website now. I'm just like, look, this is the exact kind of thing that. Again, like, I would love to be a captive of the moment and have to just dig into this cactus blossom, which looks like a bloomin onion kind of fried pickles or whatever. Just be like, okay, well, I'm here. I gotta eat these fried pickles. But it looks like my kind of like stuff.
Luke Burbank
But, well, that's another thing too. Not to try to sound like I'm trying to rival Tom Cruise. For the clean living or whatever. But I think that's also probably part of why my enjoyment was low. Because I'm going into this restaurant that, that you should be eating a bloomin onion when you're there and a steak. And I'm going in, going like, well, what kind of salad do you have? And you know, like, I'm trying to order around the edges of the menu potentially. So I'm not really giving this thing its best shot. I need to go in there and just say, this is a cheat day. I'm going to knock down a bloomin onion and then I'm going to have some fried pickles. And then I'm going to have, you know, a loaded baked potato. Not just a baked potato, but a baked potato that has, you know, a whole variety of things on it. In addition, you know, I needed to. I did not surrender sufficiently to the process.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
Luke Burbank
And so that's probably also part of the problem for me. Like, what's the point of going into a Texas roadhouse if you're A, not going to eat a steak and B, going to try to do the healthy version of it? It's like, what are you even doing here?
Andrew Walsh
Let me ask you one last question about this, if you don't mind, about the, about the Texas roadhouse experience. Is it a place that. I would find this very hard to believe for a chain restaurant in this day and age, given everybody's allergies. But it is not a place that has peanuts. Like in the shell. Peanuts.
Luke Burbank
It literally had a sign.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
Luke Burbank
Outside the building as I was walking in that was like kind of an old timey. A picture of a peanut and it said peanut dust, like everywhere.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, okay. Because I noticed that their logo or not their logo. I don't know what this is. When you, when you go on their website, there's like this super deal for Super Dad Father's Day special. And it's like two peanuts dressed like two cartoon peanuts dressed up like superheroes or something. So I was like that. Maybe that's the thing. Cause, you know, like, like I can't remember what was the chain restaurant we used to go to five guys. Oh, yeah. I didn't go to. Sorry.
Luke Burbank
Five guys used to give you peanuts. Yeah.
Andrew Walsh
And you could just like crack the peanuts and they're all over the floor and everything. Is that the roadhouse experience?
Luke Burbank
I didn't see anyone else eating peanuts or throwing them on the floor. I don't know if that's only from two to four or if they've had to stop doing that or what. But, like, there was a sign. It was one of those kind of like a. Almost like you'd see in a Jimmy John's, you know, one of those jaunty signs just being kind of like. Like, if you don't like peanut dust, this ain't the place for you or whatever kind of, you know, sort of energy around it.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, it does say free pe. Yeah, it says Texas roadhouse, peanuts, free bucket. Tradition and history.
Luke Burbank
So I guess if I didn't see anyone, nobody. But I also was in there for about eight minutes. So again, I, I for people. If, like, if your favorite. If your happy place is a Texas roadhouse, I don't want to yuck your yum. I was there for eight minutes. I did not order the peanuts. You know, I probably did it very wrong. But again, I just was kind of. I was. I kept. Kept waiting to see something that explained to me the popularity of it and it didn't quite manifest for me. We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set, get set now. Ready, ready, go, everybody. Razzle dazzle. All right, let's thank some dazzling donors. These folks. I was thinking about this on my asthmatic jog this morning. These folks are donating this money completely voluntarily. I mean, this is a miracle that this is happening. These are folks. Sometimes when I'm out on my little jog, I'm. I don't know why I'm doing this, but I'm justifying the existence of TBTL to somebody who is, for some reason, suspicious of it. I don't know who. I didn't have a specific person in mind. I'm just shadowboxing out there sometimes, and I was just marveling at the fact that with everything that's going on in the world and the economy and all of the stressors, we've got enough people who are sending in money voluntarily that this can keep happening. This is 100% listener supported and it's pretty cool. Well, and it's thanks to folks. Yep.
Andrew Walsh
This is really embarrassing, and it's a terrible time to bring this up, but almost everybody gives voluntarily. I need to let you know that this is a bad timing because Scott Starr, actually, this is the result of me threatening Scott for years and years. I have.
Luke Burbank
Is this a community service? Is this part of a restitution package over some crimes that were committed?
Andrew Walsh
It's a combination of information that I have about Scott that I'm keeping private for now so long as the dazzling donations continue coming. Exactly. So in most cases, you are right. Is a voluntary thing. But it's just not for. For our first donor today.
Luke Burbank
Of all the days for me to call this voluntary, it's the day we have one compulsory dazzling donor. And that is Scott Starr in Seattle, Washington star like Bart Starr.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, thanks.
Luke Burbank
Love it. Shout out. Old school football reference. You didn't go with Darren Starr, creator of many kind of soap operatic shows of the 90s and 2000s. I always fill out my dazzling donor message late. It's a combination of procrastination and deep embarrassment at the thought that my words will be read on the virtual radio by my favorite co bros. However, this year I'm thankful I waited because now I get to express the joy TBTL brought me. When you played Mr. Tambourine man by Alvin and the Chipmunks, that was a moment that was really fun. Only on TBTL could you have an ordinary conversation about a Bluetooth enabled turntable lead right to one of the zaniest things I've heard in a long time. I don't think I've laughed so hard since. Since the election. And these days that's a gift beyond price. Definitely worth a dazzling donation. Thanks for brightening all of our days, Scott. Well, thank you. Yeah, that was that. We've cited that in meetings subsequently as kind of like one of one of those happy accidents. You know, it's like Mitch Garver getting a hit. You just. You don't expect it to happen. And there's so many times when it doesn't happen and then it happens and it's such a pleasant surprise that like we're just kind of stumbling around here talking, making small talk, getting into sandisk conversations. And then every once in a while we just. Something happens. Like the magic that was playing that Alvin and the Chipmunks song.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. We'll draw the occasional conversational walk. Sure. But it's very rare that we're gonna hit it out of the park. And what I like about that moment is it wasn't you or I doing anything particularly funny. We were just reacting to the moment the universe brought us that.
Luke Burbank
Yes, it was. And it kind of, in a way, it sort of justifies the rambling nature of this whole thing. Because if we had gotten up that morning and said like, we need to play this, you know, particular piece of tape because it's silly. I mean, we do also do a version of that. But there's something that's really kind of Magical about happening upon something like that without any prior planning and then being so. Just shocked and delighted by it as we were. So, Scott, I'm glad that worked for you as well, and thank you for supporting the program. We really do appreciate you. Maestro, get set now. Ready, Ready, Go. Whoa. It's Amy Lake in Eugene, Oregon.
Andrew Walsh
Hey, Amy.
Luke Burbank
Track Town, usa, baby. Eugene. Big, big Track Town. That's Becca. Recently did a marathon there, actually. And when you stay in that. When you stay in that. What are those hotels that we've stayed in in Seattle and other places that are. They're college themed.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, is it Varsity?
Luke Burbank
No, it's not. It's like, how am I spacing on the name? I want to call it Collegiate, but it's not that. Anyway, the hotel that's associated there with the little convention center in Salem, or wait, in Eugene, rather, when you go up there. Is college in the name, Is it?
Andrew Walsh
I mean, the College Inn. I know what you're thinking.
Luke Burbank
College Inn.
Andrew Walsh
I'm not doing a good job here because the one that is the graduate.
Luke Burbank
Graduate.
Andrew Walsh
Graduate. Graduate. Yes, yes.
Luke Burbank
Plastics, Andrew. It's all about plastics.
Andrew Walsh
I just had to keep. I just had to keep saying things.
Luke Burbank
Are you trying to seduce me, Mrs. Walsh, with knowing the Graduate? Yes. Graduate Hotels. Thank you. The one that's in Eugene has all kinds of Nike stuff in the rooms, like a waffle iron, because they apparently made, you know, the shoes that way. Way. Amy's down there in Eugene, and Amy says not much to say other than I love you guys and this community of tens. I've been listening since the early podcast days, and I am now proud to say that my wife Heidi and I are now a Power 10 couple.
Andrew Walsh
Nice.
Luke Burbank
That's rare. That is rare, because here's what I think. I think you oftentimes in relationships, you need. You need a yin and a yang. You need different kinds of folks to kind of complement each other. Maybe one person is a little bit more outgoing. Maybe another person is a little bit more introverted. One person is very sort of punctual. One person is less so. This is often the case in relationships. We complement each other. And that usually means that if one person likes TBTL almost by definition, the other person is going to find it absolutely abhorrent. But not in this case. Not in the case of Amy and Heidi. They are a power 20.
Andrew Walsh
And are you remembering now? Because I'm just remembering being the Blurs Day archivist, that it was just Amy's birthday last week or maybe early this year.
Luke Burbank
Remembering things. Heidi, right I definitely remembered that too long before you told me.
Andrew Walsh
No, I know you did. You were just able to, like, kind of keep it quiet and just play it cool.
Luke Burbank
Yeah, I don't have to, like. I constantly show off.
Andrew Walsh
I like stuff like that. No, that's cool.
Luke Burbank
Happy blurs. Amy. Amy says keep doing what you're doing, dummies. Luke, I will look for you running the Eugene half marathon soon. Well, maybe. Maybe next year. Maybe I'll get back. I'll tell you. What's the altitude in Eugene, because if it's 5,000ft, I ain't cut out for it. But, Amy, thank you so much. And Heidi, thank you as well for being a couple that loves TBTL in equal measure. We love to hear it. So thanks to all of our donors today for making TBTL possible. Couldn't do it without you.
Andrew Walsh
Hello and welcome. Welcome to Top Story.
Luke Burbank
All right, Andrew, I was so pleased. Not that I doubted you, but I was so pleased yesterday when at some point in the day, I got a text from you, which was an obvious reference to a joke from the movie Friendship. And I knew the eagle had landed. I knew that the plan had come together and you had gone to see the movie Friendship. What did you think?
Andrew Walsh
Since we already said it once, I don't mind. I just texted you, Jim. That was all I texted you after the movie.
Luke Burbank
It's like, jump with an eye.
Andrew Walsh
It's like, jump with an eye. That's the one joke in there that I will spoil. I. It was. The movie was exactly what I thought it was going to be. Now, I don't know what that means off the top of my head. I don't know what that means objectively, whether that means I liked it or didn't. I did like it. I'm glad I saw it, but that it was when I saw the trailer, I'm like, okay, this takes a little bit of that. Like, very kind of cringy. I think of it kind you. I think you should leave humor. But it adds a real darkness to it. And also it's going to be sort of unrelenting. And that's what my hesitation was. Not that I thought it was going to be a bad movie, but just that, like, I am. So I realized, like, the. The range of movies I can see that don't make me, like, kind of squirm out of my skin these days is getting narrower because I don't like any kind of horror movies or anything that's going to jump. Scare me or whatever. And I realized that this one, you Know, this was right up my, right up my alley and. But it's so cringe, it's so squirm. I mean, this like you just. I was literally watching parts of it like through my fingers that I have to do sometimes because, you know, the Tim Robinson character is just so delusional and self centered and, and just really, really cringy to watch. I mean, that is the point of the movie. And they do a good job with what they're trying to do. But I find that kind of thing really, really hard to watch. And it made me think about, I think you should leave now. I might be messing up part of this origin story, but I'm pretty sure that I read or heard in an interview with Tim Robinson when I think you should leave was a new sketch show. I'm pretty sure he said, well, the name comes from that thing that happens in our kinds of sketches where eventually somebody is acting away until somebody says, I think you should leave. You know, like whether he's going crazy at a party and saying, I don't, I'm worried the baby doesn't think people can change or some, you know, office situation, boardroom situation, like whatever it is, like eventually, usually his character, but a character acts so outlandishly that eventually it's not literally said, but the vibe is, I think you should leave now. And the reason I love the show is because first of all, the sketches themselves only last up until that moment. And then the show itself is only a collection of sketches that usually lasts like 20 minutes. Right. It's a shortish show, I believe, maybe a half hour long, I think advanced. But. And I realized that for that kind of comedy I need that pressure, release. And also, and also there's just a darkness about this one as well. So I did enjoy it. It was what I thought it was going to be. I do recommend it. I was. This wasn't something that I kind of realized until this morning. If we can get into a little bit of like, not that I have to look for something to nitpick, but I, I was a little. When you have a character like Tim Robinson who's obviously acting in their. This character is acting by their own rules, which doesn't fit society, that's one thing, because the person's a kook. But then you have other characters who are mostly normal, you know, they navigate the world as we know it normally. And I would say his, his wife, who's played by Kate Mara, is one of those people. And when the kind of normies in a situation like this. Whatever kind of movie you're talking about or whatever, whatever. You get a little bit of this in Curb youb Enthusiasm as well. It's like, wait, is Larry David the only crazy one in a world full of normal people, or is the entire world crazy? And I felt like in this one, the world was supposed to be mostly normal, but that made it hard for me to understand what some of his wife's motivations were like, you know, basically, again, it's not spoiling it too much, but their marriage is on the rocks. Like, that's a big part of the plot of this, you know, and it kind of begins. It's very obvious from literally the first scene that that's going to be a dynamic here. Here. And I sort of, like, by the.
Luke Burbank
Way, I'll just mention kind of broadly that the first laugh of the film comes from, like, a way that Tim Robinson is being in this support group that they're attending. Yeah. And the. And which the entire theater erupted. For you, it would be the entire. Andrew erupted because you were the only person watching the movie. But the theater. I was in, the whole theater erupted with something Tim Robinson did early. And then there's another moment where Kate Mara is saying something she's wondering about, you know, her life going forward. She's had a cancer diagnosis. That's also not spoiling anything. Yes.
Andrew Walsh
Literally the first thing you learn.
Luke Burbank
And there's, like, this moment where she's kind of talking about that, and then you see this reaction shot from Tim Robinson, which also just had me laughing for, you know, like. But I guess. But you're right. Sorry.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. Let me get back. Let me get back into what I was gonna say there. Because there are some moments during their relationship where, you know, like, she sort of. They're kind of drifting further and further apart. But then there are moments where she sort of softens towards his character. And I don't think they ever do a good job of ever showing what the initial attraction to him would have been or what. Like, there's a couple of times where they try to, like, they try to show it. It's like, oh, he made an effort. He made some breakfast. And so that's like. So. But it's like, it's not enough. And I was thinking about this later, and this is gonna be, like, so cliche, Andrew. But I was thinking about it this morning, and, like, as I'm, like, kind of, like, working it out in my head, I'm like, what. What? Seemed like it was just sort of missing or, like, there was just certain things that didn't sort of add up. And it occurred to me this is a movie that is so much about male friendship and the male experience that it didn't flesh out her character enough. And, like, even though there's a stated. A very specific, stated interesting backstory of her, which is that she is somebody who just, as they would say, like, kind of kicked cancer, but is now concerned with, like, what the rest of her life is going to be like with that sort of living kind of hanging over her head. And how does she move on from. This is literally the very first setup of the very first scene. That's a really interesting thing. And it's. The movie is not about her. I'm not saying that she should have been the main character, but there seemed to be this disconnect between, like, well, what. I don't know, what is her motivation at all for the way she acts in this? And it occurred to me, oh. Because I think the writers. And I don't. I could be wrong about this. I don't know who's on the writing team of this, but it seemed like it might have lacked a female perspective in putting that character together. And then once I realized that, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's why her character doesn't make a lot of sense, because she just. Even Paul Rudd's backstory at first, you might say, why is he befriending the Tim Robinson character? But you learn more about him as it goes on, and you learn about some of his own weaknesses. And so that makes sense. You're like, okay, well, he's first of all a nice guy. And also he's got some of his own weaknesses. And so that's what maybe drew him to this other guy. But you never learn Kate Mara's motivation. And in that way, I sort of. Maybe I could be talked out of this. But this morning I was like, oh, yeah. I think that she was there just to have the male characters react to something or, like, have something to try to achieve, and that would be, like, her affection. And it kind of bummed me out that, like, you just never see her at the end. Like, she just disappears from the script in the last. Like, he just. He just kind of says, you know, I'm going to go run this errand. And then other things happen and we never get a reaction shot from her or anything. I'm just like, wow. I guess the woman just disappeared in the background. Background.
Luke Burbank
Is this because people commonly wonder, whatever attracted Genevieve to you? Yeah, I'm very Like this is life imitating art.
Andrew Walsh
Sick of answering that question.
Luke Burbank
Imitating.
Andrew Walsh
A little bit bummed that because she does such a good job, she's. I think she's a really good actor. And I was like, oh, I could have used a little bit, just a little bit more explanation around her.
Luke Burbank
No, I think you're right. Becca commented on that as well in a like a less specific way. But she just basically said like, I don't understand why she would have ever been with him. And I hadn't really pieced that together. But you're right, right. They don't. Like there isn't something that's happened to Tim Robinson's character that has fundamentally changed him where he used to be a certain way and now they're having problems because he's this way that he has. It just seems like this is how he's always been. Which as you've already said, raises the question why an otherwise pretty with it person in Kate Mara would have ever wanted to marry this person or be with this person. Because he's clearly, you know, very self centered and very. And just odd in a bunch of different ways. I do think naming his preferred clothing maker Ocean View Dining is somehow so confused by that.
Andrew Walsh
So they were saying dining, huh?
Luke Burbank
Dining. Yeah, ovd. I guess OVD is going to get some more of my money. Ocean View Dining.
Andrew Walsh
And then doesn't he even say at one point, oh, they make pretty good food too. Doesn't he mumble that at one point?
Luke Burbank
Oh, did he? I missed that if he says that.
Andrew Walsh
I couldn't tell because I remember the first time they mentioned it. I'm like, is he saying dining? The clothing brand is Ocean View Dining. Why is it dining? And then I thought I heard him say, oh yeah, they make pretty good biscuits too or something like that. But I could be totally wrong about that.
Luke Burbank
I was really, I really enjoyed the, the kind of look of the film. It reminded me a little bit of like an Alexander Payne movie. Like I think Alexander Payne really enjoys shooting places that are not overly cinematic in their nature. Like he could probably do a whole movie at a SanDisk facility somewhere in Longmont. Like, you know what I mean? I feel like that's what he does a really nice job with with you know, films like Election and he sets a lot of films in the Midwest and like they keep going. Well, it's two times. One time the Tim Robinson character and the Paul Rudd character are like mushroom hunting. And then the Tim Robinson character takes his son back for mushroom hunting. And the place that they pick for. To be the backdrop of that is so deeply sad. Like, it speaks to this certain kind of nowheresville, like urban environment where you just kind of have, well, really suburban environment, but a suburban environment that also hasn't been like. It hasn't been manicured to its. It doesn't have. I'm doing a bad job explaining it, but it's like these little. These spaces that we encounter in life, these physical spaces that are just kind of undefined. It's just a kind of a boggy, kind of grayish thing with trees and some standing water. But it's what doubles for nature in this area. You know, there's just like nothing particularly notable about it, but it's like where they keep going to look for these mushrooms, where they're not like looking for mushrooms in some beautiful, you know, downed like some area with like a bunch of forest and these downed logs with. With mushrooms growing on the underside of these. You know, it's nothing like that. It's just like. Like a weird passed over little patch of something in a kind of ex urban community. Like, there's little things like that. Even the name, which we can't remember of the spaghetti place that they kind of go to. Like, I just felt like there were these touches in the movie that I thought they really nailed or at least gave me a feeling. Right. I also. I said this yesterday. I do think that the funny parts of the movie for me, made me laugh out loud in a way that like, I don't think I've laughed out loud at a movie in a theater in a long time.
Andrew Walsh
Don't you think?
Luke Burbank
Like, I don't even know if I laugh out loud that much at movies, to be honest.
Andrew Walsh
Is it partially though those laughs came because in between the laughs is so squirmy. Right? It's like you're so. Again, I was literally watching through my eyes at times, so that when I did, oh, I'm just looking at the clock and I realize you gotta run, but I felt like it made you.
Luke Burbank
I think I should leave.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, I think you should leave. I felt like it made you really kind of earned those laughs. Right? Because it's so hard to watch.
Luke Burbank
You know what's weird is I also have a really hard time watching people being cringy. But for me it's more real life. I remember being a kid and watching like Donahue or Oprah back when Oprah was trashy. People try to. People pretend like Oprah's always been just like interviewing, you know, some, some like, like Great American writer or whatever. She used to be pretty trashy, too. But I would watch those shows, and then I would get so embarrassed for the people on the shows. Or maybe it was Springer or whatever. I'd get so embarrassed I'd have to change the channel. But weirdly, I don't, because I know that, like, I think you should leave. And because I know this movie is fictional, weirdly enough, I don't have that reaction to Tim Robinson. Like, it doesn't cause me to clench my bunghole in the way that other stuff that's cringy does. And I can't explain why that is. So I, I, I was not uncomfortable in the way you were uncomfortable watching it for some strange reason.
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, I found it. I found it, really. You know, you mentioned that I was watching it practically alone in the theater. I will say that. So this is a theater, Even though it's like a really big one and it was mostly empty, you still have to choose your seats in advance, right? I guess that's. Of course, I can't remember the last time you haven't done that. And it was funny because the person behind the glass, as I'm buying my ticket, like, swings her computer screen around. She's like, pick a seat. And it's just like, all, just a sea of openness. And it looked like there was just like one, like, kind of couple of seats right in the middle that had been taken and everything else was fine. So I basically just grabbed one, sort of. I said, K22 or whatever. And then I was like, I'll just make up my mind when I go in there. I'll just try not to sit near people. And so I go in. I'm the first and only one in there. I know some people are going to be sitting a couple of rows in front of me. So I just sort of, like, kind of choose a central place to sit. And I know that it's not technically my seat, but it's not going to matter in the long run, because in the sea of empty seats, even if I happen to pick somebody else's seat, they'll just sit somewhere else. You know what I mean? I couldn't imagine anybody caring that much.
Luke Burbank
Unless they're Tim Robinson.
Andrew Walsh
Unless they're Tim Robinson's character. Exactly right.
Luke Burbank
Who would totally have no chill about it.
Andrew Walsh
He would, he would pretend like he does. He would sit down until the veins started bulging. But, yeah, I have this thing, and this is a really bad instinct of mine. So I'm sitting there and then I'VE watched, you know, I feel like I'm the veteran here. I've watched, watched all of New V. I've seen all of the commercials. And then some people are coming in at the last minute. And these people sit like kind of right directly one row behind me, a little bit to my right. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. You could have sat anywhere. Like, why would you sit right behind me? And then another couple or you know, a couple of people came in not too long after that and they said even kind of closer to my left. And I could kind of smell their. Somebody's perfume or something. It wasn't bad, but it was just like one of those things. I was just like, this theater is so big and empty. Why would you be sitting so close to me that I can smell you? And again, it wasn't a bad smell. I want to be very clear about that.
Luke Burbank
Well, it's because the same thing was happening. We didn't have to reserve our seats for the theater we went to. But by the end of it, our theater was not sold out, even though the previous theater had been sold out. But the showing we were at in this other theater, I'd say it was maybe half full, but everyone clusters. There's this like Nexus, there's this XY axis which is, is not right up against the screen but not all the way in the back and not all the way to the right or all the way to the left. And there's this orientation of wanting to be. And so everyone, when they're picking their seats, they're naturally trying to go towards. It's like a word cloud of what we think the best spot. And you were probably in that too because you were the first person there.
Andrew Walsh
And it makes sense. I mean you want to be central and you don't want to be too close. And like Sinners was a bit of a bummer because we did go to an almost sold out theater. So we watched it kind of from the wings to the left and it really did have an effect on my viewing experience. It seemed a bit, little bit dimmer. It wasn't as quite of, I think as sparkly as it would have been.
Luke Burbank
I think I saw Avatar that way, which is the weirdest that I even went to Avatar. But like, I think it was like the 3D showing but the only seeds we could get were like up against the Wall. So I was like, I'm not getting the full experience of these leaves in 3D.
Andrew Walsh
Right. They're USB sex and like. But anyway, Let me just finish my thought because I am concerned about your time, but yes, I am too. So my, my. I was like, why would you sit so close to me? But then it ended up being like kind of a bless, I don't know, blessings too strong of a word there. But what I liked me to my left was a couple. It sounded like a man and a woman. I don't really know, but it sort of. I could hear their reactions and it sounded like they were reacting. Especially the guy or the person I assume was a guy was reacting in the same way. Like very, very similar to mine. Like laughing out loud at the same things and sort of like a kind of almost an inaudible groan. At other times I was like, oh, I guess. Turns out there's a reason why people cluster together in humanity and maybe I shouldn't be so quick to be like, get away from me strangers, because we enjoy as a species together. And it actually improved, I feel like my experience a little bit sharing the same cringe moments and laugh out loud moments with this couple behind me.
Luke Burbank
There was the point where he. You were watching through his fingers and he was watching through your fingers. You guys were covering each other's eyes.
Andrew Walsh
It did get a little bit intimate.
Luke Burbank
Yeah. Well, I'm glad you saw it. I'm glad you are glad you saw it. And, and I'm glad we didn't spoil too much of it for the listeners. So let me know, listeners, how, how you felt about the movie. You go see it. So. All right. We are going to be wrapping things up today because I got to go off and film this stuff and then I will fly back home tonight. And then tomorrow I'll be at the Madrona Hill studio. I had that moment yesterday when the plane landed here in Colorado that when I turned my phone back on, I had a notification from Alaska Airlines saying you can check into your flight home. So that, that, that's always.
Andrew Walsh
Oh, the moment you land, you're already getting the notification.
Luke Burbank
I was landing my flight out here and it was already time for me to check into my flight home. So. But that'll be nice. I'll be back home tomorrow and we'll be bringing you another episode of tbtl. In the meantime, I sure hope you all have a really great Tuesday. You take care of yourselves. And you please remember, no mountain too tall.
Andrew Walsh
And good luck to take it.
Luke Burbank
You know, I'm bored. This party is officially boring. I'm bored and you people are very rude. Let's. Let's get out of here.
Andrew Walsh
Power out.
Podcast Summary: TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live | Episode #4470 "Fifty Shades Of Jones"
Release Date: May 20, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh
In episode #4470 titled "Fifty Shades Of Jones," Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh dive into a mix of lighthearted banter, personal anecdotes, and thoughtful discussions. The episode kicks off with the hosts exchanging playful voicemail messages, setting a casual and humorous tone for the show.
00:50 – 03:50
Luke introduces the topic by sharing his recent experience watching the film Friendship. He had recommended it to Andrew, who saw it the previous day, setting the stage for an in-depth conversation about the movie.
Highlights:
Luke and Andrew exchange their initial reactions to the film, discussing its themes of male friendship and the complexities of relationships portrayed.
They aim to keep their discussion spoiler-free, acknowledging the film's mix of cringe humor and darker undertones.
Andrew shares his critique on character development, particularly pointing out the underdeveloped female character and the film's focus on male perspectives.
Notable Quote:
05:40 – 21:16
Andrew shifts the conversation to a personal note, discussing his long-overdue decision to upgrade his five-year-old Galaxy S10 phone to the newer Galaxy S25 or Pixel 9 models. He humorously laments the rapid advancement of technology and seeks listener input on potential issues with these new models.
Highlights:
Luke shares his thoughts on Samsung's new feature allowing users to upload their driver's license into the phone for TSA checkpoints, sparking a discussion on the practicality and legality of such advancements.
The hosts debate the merits and potential pitfalls of adopting the latest smartphone technology, blending technical insights with personal preferences.
Notable Quote:
21:16 – 50:05
Luke recounts his recent visit to a Texas Roadhouse in Longmont, Colorado. Intrigued by its status as one of America's fastest-growing restaurant chains, he approaches the experience with curiosity, only to be disappointed by the food's presentation and limited menu options.
Highlights:
The hosts discuss the disparity between Texas Roadhouse's reputation and Luke's personal experience, highlighting the importance of atmosphere and menu diversity in customer satisfaction.
Andrew empathizes with the struggle of finding chain restaurant options that fit diverse dietary needs, sharing anecdotes about his own preferences and experiences with other chains like Chili's and Applebee's.
Notable Quote:
50:05 – 55:16
The episode features a segment where the hosts acknowledge their listeners' support through donations. Luke humorously addresses their first donor, Scott Starr, blending gratitude with playful commentary.
Highlights:
Andrew reveals a light-hearted secret about a compulsory dazzling donor, adding a layer of intrigue and humor.
The hosts express genuine appreciation for their audience's voluntary contributions, emphasizing the show's listener-supported model.
Notable Quote:
52:24 – 53:45
Listener Amy from Eugene, Oregon, shares her appreciation for the show, highlighting how both she and her wife Heidi enjoy TBTL. The hosts respond with affectionate remarks, celebrating their audience's support.
Highlights:
55:16 – End
As the episode wraps up, Luke shares his plans to return home and hints at upcoming episodes. The hosts reflect on their discussions about Friendship, reiterating their thoughts and encouraging listeners to share their own opinions on the film.
Highlights:
The hosts summarize their analysis of Friendship, touching on themes of male friendship, character development, and the balance between humor and darkness in storytelling.
They encourage listeners to engage with the show by sharing their thoughts on the discussed topics, maintaining an interactive and engaging format.
Notable Quote:
Episode #4470 of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live is a blend of humor, personal stories, and thoughtful discussions. Luke and Andrew's candid conversation about the film Friendship, personal tech dilemmas, and restaurant experiences offers listeners an authentic glimpse into their lives and perspectives. The episode underscores the importance of community support while fostering an engaging and relatable atmosphere for both regular and new listeners.
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