#4507 For The Greater Glory Of Toomgis

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL Episode #4507 "For The Greater Glory Of Toomgis"

Release Date: July 10, 2025

In episode #4507 of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live, hosts Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh navigate a lively conversation filled with humor, personal anecdotes, and insightful commentary on various topics. From technical challenges in podcasting to nostalgic reflections on classic films, the duo offers listeners an engaging and entertaining experience.

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1. Technical Hiccups and Podcasting Realities

The episode kicks off with a lighthearted exchange about the complexities behind producing a seamless podcast. [04:03] Luke shares the intricacies of their setup, revealing that he records remotely while Andrew connects via phone. This arrangement leads to occasional audio drops, sparking a humorous dialogue about potential mishaps.

Luke Burbank [04:33]: "There's a highly technical process... We do a sound check every day to make sure that the audio levels are lining up."

Andrew Walsh [05:32]: "You could be using something wildly outlandish or something that makes me deeply uncomfortable."

Their banter underscores the often-overlooked technical efforts required to deliver quality content, highlighting their dedication to maintaining high audio standards.

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2. The Little Red Hen Bar Controversy

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the fate of The Little Red Hen, a beloved bar in Seattle. [02:06] Luke expresses his dismay over the potential shutdown of the establishment due to a dumpster-related issue.

Luke Burbank [02:04]: "I think a dumpster fight is a bad reason to shut down one of Seattle's best dive bars."

The hosts delve into their personal connections with the bar, emphasizing its importance to the local community and questioning the rationale behind its possible closure.

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3. Engaging Listener Interactions and Corrections

Luke and Andrew reflect on their relationship with listeners, particularly how audience feedback shapes their content. They discuss instances where listeners correct them, enhancing the show's authenticity and fostering a sense of community.

Andrew Walsh [13:54]: "We say a lot of things that are wrong on the show that listeners don't bother correcting us on."

Luke Burbank [15:22]: "That's the secret sauce of this show. That's why it's such a social media hit."

This segment highlights the dynamic interplay between hosts and their audience, showcasing how constructive criticism contributes to the show's growth.

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4. In-Depth Film Analysis: Batman (1989) and Any Given Sunday

The hosts embark on a nostalgic journey, dissecting memorable scenes from iconic films. Andrew recounts a scene from the original Batman (1989) movie where Batman is seen hanging upside down, debating whether he's sleeping or exercising. This leads to a broader critique of how such portrayals diverge from character canon.

Andrew Walsh [22:00]: "He's definitely not sleeping. He's exercising and doing some stretches or something."

Further, they critique "Any Given Sunday", an Al Pacino film, mocking its unrealistic team names and questioning its portrayal of football dynamics.

Luke Burbank [53:12]: "I will never be able to watch a movie where Al Pacino is the coach of the Miami Sharks."

Their analysis combines personal memories with critical perspectives, offering listeners a blend of entertainment and thoughtful commentary.

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5. Nostalgia and Personal Stories

A heartwarming segment features a voice memo from Stephanie Listener's baby, August, who charmingly says, "hot dog." This leads to a discussion about the impact of nostalgia and childhood memories on their content creation.

Andrew Walsh [09:05]: "Isn't that better than New York City politics talk?"

The hosts share their own childhood experiences, such as playing Risk with stuffed animals and memorizing movie dialogues, adding a personal touch to the episode.

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6. Reflections on Education and AI

Towards the end, Luke and Andrew explore the evolving landscape of education in the age of AI. They discuss how teachers are adapting by incorporating handwritten assignments to combat AI-generated content, reflecting on their own educational backgrounds.

Andrew Walsh [43:40]: "At a Jesuit school... the last line is you would write AMDG."

Luke Burbank [43:37]: "I think we're going to see a resurgence in handwritten assignments because it's the only way teachers can know that it wasn't created by AI."

This conversation underscores the challenges and adaptations within the educational system, emphasizing the enduring value of personal effort and authenticity.

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7. Closing Remarks and Future Plans

As the episode draws to a close, Luke and Andrew joke about potential future recordings at The Little Red Hen and tease upcoming segments celebrating birthdays within their community. Their lighthearted farewell leaves listeners anticipating the next installment.

Andrew Walsh [59:08]: "We have a little meeting we have to log onto here. So sorry to kind of take the reins here, but I'm gonna start the music and get us out of here."

Luke Burbank [59:14]: "She'll never hear it, but it'll be fun anyway."

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Conclusion

Episode #4507 of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live is a testament to Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh's chemistry and ability to blend humor with meaningful discussions. Whether dissecting classic films, addressing listener feedback, or navigating the complexities of podcasting, the hosts deliver a relatable and entertaining experience for all listeners.

Transcript

[Steve]

Hey, it's Steve here, and I got a big surprise. Here we go, folks. It's paper towels. Put your hand on it, wipe it around. They're perforated. They come right apart. Crumple into a ball, throw it up in the air, it comes right back down. Oh, my gosh. You spilled some water. No, not anymore. Paper towels. It's a kite. Put a string on it, fly, it's a kite. Paper towels. It's easy. You can tie it in a knot. It's still there. Table's clean, kind of. Hey, hey. You can call for your friends. Hey, friends, come over. I got paper towels. If you got two, fold this in half, put it in your pocket. Save it for later. This one.

[Andrew Walsh]

Boom.

[Steve]

This is for the car, the house, your backpack. Paper towels. You'd be saying, I got a good grade in my test with I have best friends. Paper towels.

[Andrew Walsh]

Tbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

Do I look like I know what a JPEG is? I just want a picture of a God dang hot dog. I'm gonna suggest that we have a little constructive talking time. Not long at all. I mean, maybe 10 minutes or. Okay. Or maybe 15 is also good. All right, bozo. Thank you.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm calling a lot of people bozo now.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like my new thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Beep, beep. Ribby, ribby, Bada boom. How'd it go? Well, he's gonna acknowledge me on Instagram, so I guess you could say it.

[Luke Burbank]

Was one of the best conversations of my entire life. Well, all right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Thursday edition of tbtl, the show that just might too beautiful to live. Oh, yeah. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

[Andrew Walsh]

You paint your bald spot? What bald spot?

[Luke Burbank]

Coming to you for the final day from New York City. Absolutely thrilled to be presenting episode 4507 in a collector series.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let the fun begin.

[Luke Burbank]

The Little Red Hen in Seattle, Washington. That's very far from where I am right now. Be the almost the entire opposite part of the country. The Little Red Hen is a beloved bar there which may shut down over some kind of an issue with a dumpster or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

Shame on everybody involved.

[Luke Burbank]

And this is the kind of. This is kind of Seattle centric story that really gets my attention because, A, I love that bar, B, I have a lot of history with it, and C, I think a dumpster fight is a bad reason to shut down one of Seattle's best dive bars. So we'll talk about that. We'll also, because it's a Thursday, AKA a blurs day, it's my birthday. Today we will celebrate the Blurs. The Blurs is among us. Those in the TBTL listening community who have a birthday or a blurs day this week will be celebrated towards the end of the show. And of course we will. As he specifically requested last week, we will celebrate this guy starting right now. He's the longest running co bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships.

[Andrew Walsh]

He's not Spider Pig anymore. He's Harry Plopper.

[Luke Burbank]

He's also Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. It just occurred to me, and I'm going to peel back the curtain a little bit here, that you could be punking me so hard right now because we have a weird setup. You're on the road. To the listeners, hopefully this will sound like a normal episode of TBTL as it did yesterday. But so you know, what's happening behind the scenes is I'm actually talking to Luke via phone. Phone call right now. Luke is on the phone. I'm recording myself into a microphone. He's recording himself into a microphone. We can mostly hear everything, except I cannot hear the sounds that come out of Luke's computer because of the way we have this set up. It's just how it is today. And that means when you're doing your introduction, I hear you on the phone saying this, saying that, and then taking long pauses where I'm guessing audio drops go. But I have no idea what those audio drops are. You could be using something wildly outlandish or something that makes me deeply uncomfortable. Maybe something scatological. You could have just introduced me with a drop, accusing me of being on the wrong side of history. I have no idea what's going on over there. You could be punking me to death.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't even think about that. I could have used a fart transplant related drop to introduce you. Because normally what happens is we. We do a little sound check before each episode. People don't realize, Andrew, just the amount of work that goes into this podcast. I'm sure people think it's just, you know, we roll out of bed and we just start talking about the Mariners and then we just call it our job. But no, there's a. It's a highly technical process. There is a show sheet where I usually write down on the show sheet, talk about the Mariners.

[Andrew Walsh]

Actually, usually the first thing on the show sheet, roll out of bed and then, yes, talk about the Mariners. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But we do a sound check every day. We Try to make sure that the audio levels are lining up. That's one thing we're proud of on this show, is that we think, generally speaking, we've got some pretty decent high end audio, at least by podcasting standards. And yes, part of that also is a little preview for you about what the drops are going to be and particularly the drop that I'm going to introduce you with. And I do usually try to introduce you with something that is fairly, I would say, complimentary. I don't like your drop to be. I don't like it to feel like I'm taking a shot at you in any way. I don't think that's a good way to start the program. I did realize something though, and this was. Maybe this was deeply subconscious. I was scrolling through the various potential audio drops for today's show and I did apropos of nothing. I'm not kidding now. You don't know this. This is one of those weird situations, Andrew, where the listeners know more than you do in this very moment of time. Right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

They've heard the drop that introduced you. You have not yet heard it. You will when you mix the show. But as of right now, as this is hitting the listeners, podcasting devices, they are ahead in the story. They're ahead of you. I, for some reason did introduce you with Homer Simpson saying, he's not Spider Pig, he's Harry Plopper. And.

[Andrew Walsh]

And like, did you really? That's not a usual one for you to introduce me with. That's funny.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't. I know. And I swear to God, I'm not. I was not trying to like, get you. I don't think you look like Harry Plopper. I just like, I saw the drop on the list of drops and I thought, oh, we haven't played that in a long time. It makes me laugh. But I could see a world in which it felt to you that, I'm calling you Porcine, I'm calling you Piggish, I'm calling you Harry Plopper. And I really did not do that intentionally. But of all days for me to do it. Here we are. When you did not get ears on the audio drop. And in fact, you know what happens is a lot of times I will pull audio of our friend, television's Chris Hayes, talking about somebody else. Like he was talking about Mamdani, the mayoral candidate here in New York City. I half expected to walk into him the other day, Andrew. I just thought, he's everywhere. I'll just see him, you know, who I did see yesterday though, on the streets of Manhattan, Wayne Brady. I did see Wayne Brady.

[Andrew Walsh]

Really? That's. Now what's exciting doing these days, is he hosting a game show?

[Luke Burbank]

I think he might still be the host of like let's Make a Deal or something. Yeah, he was. We were walking near Carnegie hall. So I don't know if he's performing at Carnegie hall or. That was just a coincidence.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wait, how do you.

[Luke Burbank]

Talking to a.

[Andrew Walsh]

How do you get to Carnegie Hall?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think I know that song.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, it's a joke. How do you get. Somebody stops you on the street in.

[Luke Burbank]

New York, coffee breaks over.

[Andrew Walsh]

How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice, practice, practice. I think that's the old joke.

[Luke Burbank]

That's a good joke. That's a very good joke. He was walking along a sidewalk. He was talking to a woman. And he looked very well put together. Very nice looking man, Wayne Brady. But yeah, that's. Anyway, back to Mamdani. Why were we talking about him?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I was just gonna. I have a lot of opinions that I. That I want to share about how bad he will be for New York, of course.

[Luke Burbank]

Will this possibly cause the return of Eric Adams? I think is what everyone's turning to TBTL to get our take on New York City politics. Is Eric Adams the only person on the right who can actually, even though he's been disgraced, could he pull together a coalition of people that are so terrified of Mamdani that they will actually somehow Eric Adams could be reelected as mayor or put back in the position of being the mayor of New York?

[Andrew Walsh]

My goodness. Do you want to hear something delightful instead of going down this road? I got a voice memo yesterday from our pal Stephanie Listener of TBTL and parent, of course, of baby August. One of our, you know, one of our favorite babies, I would say. And this is the audio now. It's a. It's a strange file. I have not played this off of my computer yet, only my phone. So I'm hoping this will actually play. Let's see here.

[Luke Burbank]

Can you say hot dog?

[Andrew Walsh]

Hot dog.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you, baby. Hot dog. Hot dog. Hot dog.

[Andrew Walsh]

Isn't that better than New York City politics talk?

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, that. That is the. That's the exact opposite. In fact, if I'm talking about New York City politics and you're playing August say hot dog. You won't hear either of us because they are the opposite audio expression of each other. For people that don't know, there is a phenomenon where if you play, you know, one kind of a Sound. And then you play essentially its opposite sound. Then it sums it out. It makes it so that you can't hear either sound for some reason. And me talking about New York, me trying to talk about New York City politics, and then August saying, hot dog. It eliminates both pieces of audio because they are that polar opposite of each other.

[Andrew Walsh]

Although I will say that August does have some concerns about the future of the Democratic Party if it pulls too far to the left. That. I mean, there's just. I have another. I'm looking for that tape here. I just can't. I can't find. Find it off the top of my head. But maybe that's.

[Luke Burbank]

He's famously talking about, yeah, great, Mamdani won the primary. But what does that mean for the general?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's. Yeah, if I could find that tape, I'll play it for you tomorrow.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, please do. And anything that kid says is cute. Now if we can just get him singing Bless the Lord, oh my soul with a Jesus behind him.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, that's not a note.

[Luke Burbank]

There's a new one. Andrew. There's a new one that I'm not going to play. I know I've been on this weird run lately of just playing like. Of looking at too much TikTok and then seeing bad AI and then putting that evil inside of you and the listeners. And I won't do that again today. But I will say there's a new one where the AI Jesus. It's a woman who doesn't have any hair on her head. The baby's not there, by the way. I don't know what happened to the baby. Is anybody looking for the baby? I don't know. The baby is not in these ones. It's a woman who is. Doesn't have any hair.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, can you give me. Can you give me an age range here?

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe she's in her 20s. Okay. It's a woman who's sort of very conventionally attractive in her 20s, does not have any hair on her head and is sort of sobbing or crying or, you know, is upset. And then the AI Jesus pours some kind of water on her hair on her head, which makes a bunch of hair grow on her head. And then she and Jesus start kissing, almost kissing, almost kissing. I can't remember if they. I don't think they actually get to the point where their lips are together. Even the AI was like, we can't have Jesus making out with people. Okay. Even for AI, that was a bridge too far. But it's like she's sort of Weeping. And then Jesus throws some kind of water on her head. And then just. And it's like aggressive how the hair shoots out of her head. Like it's. It's almost upsetting in a way. And then she turns to Jesus and then they're almost about to kiss. And then the video ends.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, just like full Chia Peter. Like a time lapse Chia effect.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. And in one of them, it's only the hair on top of her head. It fire. It grows out.

[Andrew Walsh]

So.

[Luke Burbank]

But then it's. It's as if she sort of made that hair choice that some people do where they shave the sides of their head but grow the top out long.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it.

[Luke Burbank]

Like. And so I don't know if maybe that that particular woman is more steampunk or more punk rock or whatever. It's different hairdos that are growing out, but it's the same. It's the same basic thing. And it doesn't have the same worship song in the background. By the way, we did have a listener, I believe, Leah, who reached out and said she loves the original version of Bless the Lord, O My Soul. I don't think that's the name of the song. It's called like A Thousand Points of Light. Oh, that's George H.W.

[Andrew Walsh]

Bush.

[Luke Burbank]

Did he write that song?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a different tune. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Golly. Remember A Thousand Points of Light. Let's not. And as much as the people don't need me to talk about New York politics, they don't need me to re litigate A Thousand Points of Light. But listener Leah said she actually really likes the original version of that song. And she was. It was making her crazy that I was thinking the AI wrote it or that the AI Baby wrote it. But then I believe I'm paraphrasing her message. But she said, she said, I was so relieved that you figured out that that's a real song because I love that song, but I'm also upset by an AI Demon baby singing it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, first of all, I like the fact that you corrected yourself, not that the AI wrote that song, but that an AI created baby created that song. I like the. I like that. I like the layers there.

[Luke Burbank]

But somehow I did think that somehow, because the baby's singing it, the toddler is singing it in the video, in my mind, if the AI wrote it, it was the toddler.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. Right. Sitting down with pen and paper and a song in his heart. So there's a phenomenon that I'm trying to figure out. If we can put a name to it or even whether or not I can describe it. But you and I, and I'll put this mostly on me, say a lot of incorrect things on the show that listeners will often correct us on. I think also we say a lot of things that are wrong on the show that listeners don't bother correcting us on, if you could believe it. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but there.

[Luke Burbank]

Are certain things they've just given up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, certainly. And I'm sure I've said so many stupid things, but some things just sort of generate more of a response or like kind of spur more of an urge to correct us. And for some reason, that song being a real song is one of them. And it's one of those moments in the show where we correct the record later. So we talk about that weird song for a while. You keep referring to it as an AI written song. We keep having the conversation. At some point, we look it up, we realize it's a real song that has a slightly different name than what you were saying, but generally in the same ballpark. And so we get there. But as people are still catching up on the show, today is Thursday. I'm still getting notes from people who feel the need to correct us on that. And that sounds negative. I don't mean it negatively, but people who are compelled to correct us on that, but haven't gotten to the part of the show where we correct ourselves yet. Just got another comment, like this morning from YouTube. Somebody just wrote it's a real song like that. That was they. That was the tone. It's a real song. And they didn't even explain what they were talking about. And I'm just sort of like, wait for it, wait for it. We're going to get there. And so there's something about that sort of like both the thing that people are compelled to correct us on, but then the delay of when then they'll send another email back that says, okay, just got there. Glad you guys got there. And this is one that really created that exact kind of response.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, a couple of things. One, I mean, that's how we get the engagement. That's why we put up such big numbers, Andrew, because we get people engaging with us when they hear us make a mistake, which is constant, and then when they hear us fix the mistake, which is also fairly typical of us. So we get two pieces of engagement from those people. And that's the secret sauce of this show. That's why it's such a social media hit. The other thing is, I wonder if it's because. And I know this, I speak very much from experience on this. Church stuff runs very deep for people, whether or not, regardless if they're still people of faith. It's the kind of thing that if you grew up with that song or if that song was really meaningful to you at one point in your life, or maybe still is, as it sounds like it is for listener Leah. Like, it's just. And I would say the same thing if somebody. If I was listening to. And this would be so weird, but if I was listening to the Ezra Klein show and he was talking to one of his guests and they spent a bunch of time speculating about if a. If an AI baby wrote the song awesome Is Our God, I would immediately correct as recline and his guest and be like, no, that is very much a real song that was written by humans that we used to sing. It's not written by an AI baby.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's driving me bananas. I know that. So we all have that universal experience with podcasts, I think, right? Especially chatty podcasts like these. And there's a. There was a meme that was very popular a while back when podcasting was really at its peak. And it was somebody. Maybe it was just a tweet that.

[Luke Burbank]

Somebody said, do you think podcasting is not at its peak?

[Andrew Walsh]

I feel like it crested. I think when I say the peak, I mean the maybe false bubble of podcasting that where we do not have the headlines every single day of another just like, hugely famous person starting a podcast. Like, no princesses have started podcasts recently. You haven't heard about all those huge deals. Spotify hasn't required anybody. Like, I feel like there was a moment where there was sort of this. This real peak bubble era and then a sort of kind of a correction to. Then there was a consolidation, then the correction. And I do think that we're. We're down. We're right now on the other side of that particular peak.

[Luke Burbank]

I think you're right. I hadn't thought about it that way. I don't mean to interrupt you or sort of distract us from the point you were about to make, but, like, I think that's really interesting. I think you're right. And I don't. I'm not really serious when I say this, but I wonder if ultimately it will benefit tbtl Because, I mean, I think you'd have to have, like, not just a correction in the podcasting market, but I think you'd have to have a wholesale. You'd have to basically apply Chemo to all of podcasting. And then we would have to be the white. The white blood cells, the platelets that. That regenerate it. I just wonder if less.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just keep. I'm just glad you're keeping it light. That's good.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. And also probably misdescribing how cancer treatment goes. How could that be?

[Andrew Walsh]

It was a safe, fun analogy, Luke. And we were all here.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, you know what? If you didn't like my take on Bless the Lord, O my soul, wait till you hear me talking about cancer treatment.

[Andrew Walsh]

If you can't handle me and Lord bless my soul, then you can't handle me at white blood cells you don't deserve.

[Luke Burbank]

I want you to know that. I want you to know an AI Baby wrote my take on cancer treatment. Okay, no, but, like, that was a horrendous, Horrendous analogy. My point is there'd have to be. It have to be much more. Like, we'd have to see a huge, huge, huge reduction in the overall podcasting of the world. But you are right that, like. And I feel like I've been just on this weird thing lately, maybe because Maren is retiring from podcasting or something, where I've just been, like, to use your phrase from yesterday's show, smelling our own farts a little bit. Like, I'm really proud of how long we've been doing this show and. Five days a week. Right. And, like, I'm just feeling like. I wonder. Yeah. If we. If, like, is it possible that all of the dilettantes and podcasting, all of the people who got in. Because I thought, well, this is how I can make a quick buck or how I can kind of become famous. If all of those people go away and we're just still here doing this, might we actually see an uptick in the interest? Like, we just. Could we just continue to outlast people and just win the war of attrition?

[Andrew Walsh]

I hear what you're saying, and I think you're right. We have to kill Conan o'. Brien.

[Luke Burbank]

That's a good point. He seems to be thriving in the podcast space.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think you're right, though. Once we eliminate him, then the path forward should be clear. Only because it's driving me crazy. Not that it's super interesting, but the meme that I was, or the, I guess, maybe viral tweet that I was going to reference, I think, you know, it. It's. You never feel more like a ghost than when you hear somebody say something incorrect on your favorite podcast. And you're Yelling at them. The correction. I just had that the other day. And I'm sorry, I don't remember the example. I'm guessing it was sports related, but not necessarily. And it was just one of those things. I just happened to know it. And the. And the hosts had it wrong and. And whatever I. Whatever it was, I'm trying to think of, like, whatever my reaction to it now, knowing how upset people kind of get sometimes with us when we get something wrong and you're like, yeah, you know what I did. I actually want to tell you a secret about something I did on yesterday's show, which it's not even a good edit. I didn't even achieve what I was trying to achieve. But yesterday on the show, we were talking about Shen Yun for various reasons. I'd have to recall that whole thing, but it came up. The topic came up, and in more detail than you might expect. But at one point, I accidentally slipped and said, shen Young with a G, you know, as if U n g. Yes. And we. You said it right every time. I said it right a few times before and after that. But one time I said shen Young. And when I was listening back to the show, just sort of spot listening for things here and there, I heard that, and I tried to make an edit so that the G was a little bit softer because I had this whole. I'm only kind of realizing this now, Luke. This all happens on a subconscious level. For me, this was an edit I just made. And I'm realizing it's because I was having a fake conversation in my head with a listener who was correcting me on that. And so then I tried to solve you. Actually, while we're here, let me tell you another bit of creep. A little bit of news from crazy town over here. I told you, Genevieve's been out of town for a while, and I think I'm losing my mind. Yeah, yeah, Yesterday. No, no, on the show. I think it was earlier this week or late last week. We mentioned something about the original. What I call the original Batman movie. Right. What is now called Batman 89. You know, the original Batman with Michael Keaton and the rest. Yeah, I watched that movie every day like it was a TV show. I would come home. I had it on vhs. It was a gift that year, a birthday gift. I got that. I got the game of Risk. I would come home every day from school, watch that movie again, and play Risk with my stuffed animals because I didn't have anybody in my family who wanted to play Risk with me. And mostly It's a game of chance and strategy. But I played for. I'm just going to tell you, I played for the stuffed animals, but I did not try to beat them all the time. In other words, like, I played a fair game. I just want that on the record. All of that is to say I know that movie well, I certainly did at one point. At one point in my life when I was a much younger person, I believe I had every line of dialogue from that movie memorized. The other day on the show, I happened to mention that there's one scene where not Batman, but Bruce Wayne after a liaison with Vicki Vale. And Vicki Vale is spending the night at his mansion. She wakes up in the middle of the night, realizes.

[Luke Burbank]

Upside down.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. She realizes he's no longer laying in bed next to her. She looks across the room and we see him, as I put it, sleeping, hanging upside down from one of those exercise machines that you can hang upside down from. And I just, you know, we never see his face. We never see a close up. It's a kind of a. It's, you know, a shot from across the room that lasts a few seconds. And I remember you hear the squeaking because she wakes up. And so his body is like, is like hanging in the wind or like sort of drifting a little bit forward and back, forward and back a tiny bit because you hear the squeaking of the hinges that are keeping him hanging upside down. But it's always been my understanding that he's sleeping. And I got an email from a listener and the first line was, you're wrong about that. He's not sleeping. He's exercising and doing stretches. And so I do a really quick Google just to see how other people have described it in the movie. And I see several, like, you know, not high end, but like movie publications, you know, kind of listicle publications, like 10 weird things about, you know, 89 Batman or whatever. And I found several of those that, that mention the fact that he sleeps hanging upside down and Vicki Vale sees him. And I start writing back to this person. I'm like, listen, I don't want to be argumentative to this listener who was correcting me. I said, I don't want to be argumentative. Oh. Because I remember he said, and I don't remember the listener's name. I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure it was a guy. And he said, he's definitely not sleeping. He's exercising and doing some stretches or something. And so I remember dangerous, dangerous words. Dangerous game, Dano. And so I. So I write back, hey, honestly, not to be argumentative, but how are you so sure that he's not sleeping? And I compose this whole email, I'm like, I could very well be wrong about this, but it's my memory that we never see his face. It's shot from behind. He's completely motionless except for this tiny little hanging kind of swaying back and forth. I believe I wrote as if a gentle breeze is pushing him. While I'm composing this email, I also quote and, like, pull the quote cut and copy the quote from one of these publications that specifically says he's sleeping upside down. Which is a weird thing because that's never in the comic books. But while I'm writing all of this, I'm waiting for my HBO max to get through the necessary commercials. I have the cheap version of HBO Luke that you would hate. So to start the movie, I got to sit through, like, three minutes of commercials. And then if you want to fast forward a bit, you have to go through another commercial break. So I'm doing that thing or one window. I'm composing this. And in another tab, I'm trying to get to that part of the movie just so I can put eyes on it and close by saying, by the way, I'm watching it right now, and he's completely motionless. I can't prove that he's asleep, but he's asleep. How are you so sure he's not? I have this whole thing composed. The only thing I need to do is my computer to stop buffering and show me that scene. I watch it. Son of a gun. If his arms aren't moving, he is subtly doing something. It's not grand, and there is not much motion. But he's not asleep because you just see. Again, we're only seeing him from the back, but you do see his elbows move out a little bit and his in his arms. And I'm assuming the listener who wrote this email is listening to this conversation right now and hearing me for the fool that I am. I deleted the draft. I did not respond at all. But here you are. And I. Not out of anger or anything, but I was just like, I was about to hit go on this. And again, not. Not saying, you fool, you are wrong. But, like, why are you so sure he's not asleep? And the reason he's not asleep is because. And Luke, I am shocked at how short the shot is. It's like four seconds long, tops. But listeners, right, little bit of movement in the arms. He's doing some sort of stretching I.

[Luke Burbank]

Think, well, okay, this is. I can't remember what I said when this came up the first time. But what I'm thinking about this is it would be weird if he were sleeping upside down because he is a human. And think about how uncomfortable all the blood pooling in head. Like Bruce Wayne is just a man, a very rich man who lost his parents very tragically and is now trying to fix Gotham through technology. Essentially. He's not a bat. And so, you know what I mean? Like that sounds like a really uncomfortable. That's like how they made people sleep when they were like trying to break them during the Inquisition or something. You know what I mean? So I guess it does make more sense that he'd be working out. But then I also wonder why they don't have him doing something a little bit more excitable, like maybe doing. What would you call that when you're hanging upside down, but then you, you do basically a sit up, but from the upside down position. I wonder why they don't have him doing that. I wonder why they haven't doing a little weird kind of low key thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, for me, here's how I always interpreted it. And keep in mind, I saw this when it was new. So I was like what, 13 at the time or something? 14. When I do the math on that. And I remember, I remember, I think it was on TBTL where I did the math as to when that movie came out on VHS and how old I was. And it really exposes me as playing with my stuffed animals much later and playing games, playing board games with my stuffed animals. Not as a child, but more as a tween, as we would call them today. I must have been 13 or 14 years old when I was doing all of this, which again, just really well. It speaks well of a man who would go ahead and spend his adulthood playing darts by himself in the basement with one.

[Luke Burbank]

What I would say you had a rich. You had a rich imagination.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Like you. You.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think, I don't think that there's anything wrong with you having, you know, making a fun time for yourself with whatever was available. My question is, how did. And I swear to God, this is not. I don't want it to sound like I'm trying to be like I'm trying to, you know, be sarcastic or roast you or anything. This is a real question. How did the game, like, how did it work with Risk? You would roll on behalf of the stuffed animals and then play their. Play their, you know, what you call it, you know, position out for them. Like, how did this actually all go down?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I mean, first of all, and I want to say this, and not to whatever, cause trouble or get into hot talk or whatever, but I swear to God, Fleegle the Beagle is a cheater. And I. I could never prove it, but I know Fleegle the Beagle was a cheater, and that is something that really lives with me. I. Well, yeah, I mean, that is slander.

[Luke Burbank]

And if legal is hearing this, I don't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah, there you go.

[Luke Burbank]

But then play their game up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Have you played Risk? Do you know how to play Risk?

[Luke Burbank]

I want to admit something to you, Andrew, and this is where you're being a little sheepish about maybe playing with or, you know, interacting with your stuffed animals into a certain age or whatever. I want to tell you that your. Your friend and colleague, Luke Burbank. I could never wrap my head around Risk. I was one of those games. It was like chess to me. It was too complicated. I would see people playing Risk. They would say, you want to play? And I would be like, I don't think I can understand this game. I was not smart enough to play Risk as a kid or as an adult.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think you are smart enough to play it as an adult. I think the tiny little pieces that were just in the game I had, which I really, really liked, the little armies were just represented by little plastic Roman numerals. So, like, if you had one army, a Roman numeral one, or like an eye, or you'd have a little plastic V. I still have the original set that I played with with Fleegle and Big Henry and Pluto. But the way you play is. It is a real combination. I mean, it's obviously a strategy game. I'm a little bit embarrassed. Before that, I described it as a game of chance. It's obviously a very early popular strategy game and maybe defined that genre, but there is still chance involved because you have to roll dice. Like, essentially you. You have a world map. You set out a bunch of armies at the beginning, per the rules, you know, each player. And I think you need at least three players to play. And so, of course, in this old game of world domination, so you start off by kind of choosing which territories you sort of want to take over with the eye towards. Eventually my armies are going to. Are going to cover this board, and I'm going to defeat everybody. And there will be laminations. Right. Luke Lamentations laminations is what we do. Here are Eagle.

[Luke Burbank]

What is. Yeah, there will be some lists and things that you don't want them to get tattered, and they will be. They will be between two pieces of plastic that have been heated up so that they basically become one.

[Andrew Walsh]

You are coming very close to disrespecting my duplication investigation.

[Luke Burbank]

Actually, I'm just thinking about. I think it's Conan. I don't know if it's Conan the Barbarian or Conan the Destroyer. All I know is it's all he knows. It's all he's ever known. But no, I don't know which one of that. In which one of those. That line famously occurs where it's like someone says, what is best in life? And then somebody says to like to destroy your enemy and hear the lamentation of the women or something. Kind of like a famous line. It would be so much funnier if it was hear the laminations of the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Women, and then it cuts to them in a copy center and they're just laminating. Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Our library, just recipes, just laminating recipe after recipe. It'd be like, you know what? This is going okay for these people. The difference between the lamination of the women and the lamentation of the women is just so. It's so vast.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would prefer them to be laminating things.

[Luke Burbank]

Honestly, 100% lamentating.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't want them either. Like, that always makes me a little uncomfortable. But anyway, the game is both chance and tragedy, because you do roll the dice, and that tells you kind of like, you make a decision like, okay, my armies over here in Greenland are going to attack this neighboring territory. So you're making strategic decisions. You're like, if I can grab this territory, that's a gateway to whatever. But then once you make that decision, you have to decide, I'm going to roll these dice. I'm going to try to send either. However, you can roll two or three dice, depending on how big of an attack you want to make. And then they roll their dice to see how well they can defend. Ooh, this almost sounds a little bit like I've never played Dungeons and Dragons, but it's kind of a little bit like that, as I describe it. And so to play. I mean, when you're playing against stuffed animals, you're basically playing against yourself. I think that else that Al Pacino said, oh, my God, dude. When you're playing against stuffed animals, you're playing against yourself. That was a line, I believe.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God. Yesterday we ended the show With a. Hell, I believe, anyway, with a healthy, healthy section of the audio from any given Sunday.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

And then we. Then. Then we. We stopped recording. And then you and I were just chatting offline, and I said, it's probably so great for the listener that you didn't play that audio while we were doing the show, like, in the middle of the show. Because all I could do, and I have no evidence to support this. It's just a gut feeling that, like, I don't think Al Pacino, other than maybe when he was filming that movie. I don't think Al Pacino has ever watched a football game from the kickoff till the final whistle. I do not think that is. That just does not seem like an Al Pacino. Can you imagine Al Pacino just being like, the Raiders have to figure out how to utilize Marcus Allen more. Like, they've got. They've got to start designing some plays that will get Marcus Allen out in space. Like, can you imagine those ever being words that left Al Pacino's mouth? Like, he just seems like the most un Football guy I've ever seen in my life. And I don't know what I based that on. I just think he was too busy making Serpico in the day to worry about the fearsome foursome or, you know, like, I just don't see it for him. And what I said to you off air that I'm now saying on air. So sorry, everyone. You didn't dodge the bullet. You didn't know you were. Thought you were dodging.

[Andrew Walsh]

The bullet was chasing you. It turns out into today's show. The bullet was chasing you.

[Luke Burbank]

You were blissfully unaware of having dodged this bullet. And now, my friends, you're in the crosshairs, which is another thing Al Pacino says at some point. Can you go back to monologue? It's all over.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can you go back to your white blood cell analogy, please? It was less triggering.

[Luke Burbank]

I've got these people longing for my take on cancer treatment, but like, it that, you know, I mean, this is why I'm so fun, Andrew, because, like, I am not the greatest sports knower of all time. I am so. And I'm wrong about so many sports things on this show. How could one person be so wrong about so many things? But, like, I do have a. You know, I've droned on and on about Silver Linings Playbook and how that movie makes me angry. Because I think really what it is is I just get mad when movies, generally speaking, try to portray sports, because I just think it Seems to me like they're often made by people who were not that into sports. And again, this is just a hunch that I have. I don't have good evidence to support this. I think I'm just. I think I'm just annoying, honestly, and. And a pedant. And like, there's something about that speech that Al Pacino gives that very much hit my ears as written by somebody who doesn't really. I mean, that's an Oliver Stone film, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, is it? You know, when you say that, it sounds right, but I didn't have that in my head, so that's really. Yeah, see, I'm with you. I'm going to look that up. I'm with you. There's something about. About Al Pacino, and I don't know what it is. I'm going to say something here that is going to either land and you're going to be like, yeah, that's it exactly. Or I'm going to sound like a real doofus here. But he's like. He feels too urban to be into football. Like, his characters that. Thank you. That was what I was hoping. Like, he's always playing, you know, kind of streetwise characters in some way or another, whether they're high on their luck or down on their luck in that moment. But, like, there's something very kind of urban about the characters he often portrays. And so to be in this world of what I believe is college football, I. Well, it's any given Sunday, so it must be. Not college football. That must be about. About.

[Luke Burbank]

But I don't think they have the rights. I think another problem is I don't think they got the rights to real NFL teams.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I'm looking if you want to. Really Oliver Stone, too, and. Yeah. Like, why? So Oliver Stone's just kind of like, well, I took on music mockumentary with the Doors. I did Vietnam. I did whatever did he do? U Turn, Whatever the hell that is. You know, like, he. Oh, yeah, the Natural Born Killers, you know, but always very out there. So then he's like, okay, I'm going to turn my attention to a. To the sports world. I'm going to. I'm going to bring that Oliver Stone magic to sports. But, like, it doesn't seem like a good thing fit. Like, he seems too much. Like he wants to bring elements of kind of psychedelic aspects and various parts of like, almost fantasy into his movies or almost surrealism into his movies. And that combined with Al Pacino doing a movie about football of all sports, it just doesn't sit right with me, Luke. And I'm sorry that it's taken me 20 years to speak out on this.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I'm glad you're finally breaking your silence because it was noted. But now you've got me. I'm now deep in the world of any given Sunday and the fact that it's written by Oliver Stone. Now, Oliver Stone is kind of potentially football coded to me, but in this way like Oliver Stone feels to me like a guy who might. He used to get drunk with Al Davis and that's why I see him as cause Oliver Stone is Mr. Machismo and here comes John Wayne. No, Oliver Stone strikes me as like a guy who. A guy who maybe he's not even actively following football, but like he came. He was interested in football in the days of Kenny Stabler. I don't know why every single person I'm referencing is a Raider. I don't know what is going on between Marcus Allen, Kenny Stabler, Al Davis. I'm incapable of naming any non Raiders today. But my point is there's something about the machismo of Oliver Stone. I wouldn't be shocked to hear that he played high school football and that he, you know, I don't know where Oliver Stone is from, but that he, you know, followed that team from his area. Now the guy he co wrote the movie with, John Logan doesn't seem to me to be as football coded. He's basically been a playwright throughout his career who then got tied up in writing movies. But all of his plays seemed very thoughtful. He wrote a play called Peter and Alice in 2013 that was starring Dame Judi Dench and Ben Whishaw, opening in London. He like he's basically his whole career has been writing some pretty like highbrow stuff. Some very. And he was again he was a playwright. That was his background. It does not scream football to me. And I feel like what we're hearing when Al Pacino and I'm so with you. Al Pacino personally is so urban coded like to me that he just doesn't. Doesn't seem like a guy who is spending time following a particular football team. Like again I could be wrong about this. Someone might email in. The other thing that's interesting about this writer, John Logan, who wrote Any Given Sunday with Oliver Stone. You know, one of his other big credits, Andrew Rango. When I was at the Yankee game the other day, I was. And Jorge Polanco came up. I really wanted him to do something good so that I could yell Rango. So That I could tell my new Yankees buddies that I think he looks like the cartoon character Rango. But unfortunately it did not happen.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's like me when Dominic Canzone is at. Wait, am I confusing my Italian Mariners? No, DominicanZone is at the plate. He's the guy who went to Walsh Jesuit High School, which I went to for one year and is obviously a Jesuit school. And we always had to write. I think I've said this to you before on the show. Do you remember in high school, I think this was kind of standard for most high schools. In the top right hand corner of almost any piece of handwritten homework that you would turn in, you would write your name, maybe the period number that you took that class, the date, and remember a little block of text that you write up in the top right hand corner.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, at a Jesuit school. In both of the Jesuit schools I went to did this whole thing. The last line is you would write amdg And I can't remember the Latin phrase that that stands for off the top of my head. But AMDG is like an acronym for the Latin words that mean for the greater glory of God, because that's part of the Jesuit education.

[Luke Burbank]

Ad majorem de glori.

[Andrew Walsh]

And you had that right off the top of your head, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Nope, that is the. I told me that. Andrew. I'm being so serious. They won. Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

I write AID for the greater story of artificial intelligence. But yeah, so we would write that at the time. So you're doing everything for the greater glory of God. Anyway, I try. If I'm close enough to like, the plate in my, you know, wherever I'm sitting in the park, if Dom Canzone is up there, I'm trying to yell AMD G at him. Because I'm the only person yelling for the greater glory of God to this kid. And I really want him to hear it. But I also don't want to mess up his plate appearance.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that because he went to Walsh Jesuit?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, he went to Walsh Jesuit. And so, you know, AMDG a man for others. I believe a man for others. That's more associated with the second high school I went to. But I do believe that that is the Jesuit. I think that's generally an umbrella Jesuit idea that we create men for others.

[Luke Burbank]

I do associate that with the Jesuit sort of worldview. But I really want this to work for you. I want to go to a baseball game with you and see, I feel like that would get Dom Canzone's attention.

[Andrew Walsh]

I do. But then you got to Ask yourself.

[Luke Burbank]

So random.

[Andrew Walsh]

But when you're rooting for somebody, do you really want to get their attention in that moment? Like maybe. Where's Dom usually playing when he's playing? Is he playing like right field? I'm trying to think where they slot him in.

[Luke Burbank]

He seems to be playing outfield a lot these days. He played in last night's game, I believe. But here's my other question. Do you think at Walsh Jesuit they still have the students write AMDG on the assignments? I wonder if that was still happening when Dom Canzone was there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, to be honest with you, Luke Burbank, as I was telling that story, I was feeling really out of touch with the youth because I was like, when's the last time somebody turned in handwritten homework? This is a question. I don't know. Obviously we have parents listening. I just feel like, like, is homework ever handwritten in that way anymore where you still write that block of text up in the top right hand corner? I'm assuming you're submitting things through a portal. Through a portal and filing this.

[Luke Burbank]

Check this out, Check this out. There is. I think you're going to see this story in the New York Times pretty soon, but I'm ahead of the trend on this. So this is why you slog through my cancer talk. Because now I'm going to lay some real knowledge on you all. I think that we're going to see a resurgence in handwritten assignments because it's the only way teachers can know that it wasn't created by AI.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that is an interesting take.

[Luke Burbank]

And I do think that's even starting to happen. Like some teachers are starting to either have the students write the essays or do the assignments in class, like over the course of multiple days or hand write things because it's the only way that they can actually be sure that it wasn't written using AI or ChatGPT or whatever.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's interesting. Although, I mean, I guess you could still just like, you could just write it down. You could still like have the computers create it, but you at least have to go through the process of then writing it by hand.

[Luke Burbank]

I think there are some teachers also. Did we hear about this together? I feel like I heard something from a teacher saying that one of the things they do now is at the beginning of the year they make all of the students submit a handwritten essay so they know it's them. And you're right. I guess you could use CHAT GPT and then just re copy it or something. But there was Something about basically a teacher will get at us with this. We have a lot of teachers in the audience. There was something about basically having the students create a sample of their work that the teacher was very confident was really their work, and then somehow using that as a reference point for their writing going forward. I don't know if it was just basically like, this person went from writing at a fairly rudimentary level to now they're turning in something that's very polished. So I know that they're using AI. I can't remember the specifics, which is making this uninteresting. But there was something where I thought, oh, that's pretty clever, actually, as a way of kind of trying to. There's also a whole industry now. And of course, this is what happens. There's an entire software industry of. Of software that is supposed to catch if something is chatgpt or not. Like, it gives it a percentage score. So teachers and educators now have access to or have to buy or whatever, all of these different programs that they then can run the assignments through, which then give it, like a 28 chance. This was written using chat GPT.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I am onto something here. I've been Googling around. I'm still on this AMDG thing, okay? And I just wanted that. I wanted the Internet to see. Like, at any point since, like, the Internet has become prominent, has anybody explored this idea of how I used to have to write? How I personally used to have to write AMDG on my homework? And I was looking around and I was kind of striking out a lot, especially in regards to the Walsh Jesuit. But when I just type in the phrase write AMDG homework, I get something from St. Ignatius, the other Jesuit school I went to. And I'm pretty sure this is the same Ignatius that's in Cleveland. Although I don't want to. I don't want to say YouTube video. What YouTube video is that?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I saw YouTube when I put. I put ADMG and then I. I saw a YouTube video that was like something from Ignatius. I didn't know. I mean, I know Ignatius is a broader organization or a. A broader saint than just your school, but anyway, keep going. Sorry.

[Andrew Walsh]

So this is making me wonder if I swear I had to write AMDG on all of my homework.

[Luke Burbank]

Did St. Ignatius have sunglasses on the sun?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, and it's pronounced Saint Berenstain, apparently, which is strange to me. No, there is a website that's like Ignatius Edu, blah, blah, blah, writeamdg in the top right hand corner. This is a website on the St. Ignatius of Cleveland, where I went lessons from Loyola Hall. And then it says, Write AMDG in the top right corner. Mr. Healy first came across the abbreviation AMDG as he started freshman year at St. Ignatius and was instructed on the paper form to be used when heading his homework. Oh, I guess that's what you call heading your homework. Amdg. Name, date.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, the header. You're right.

[Andrew Walsh]

An assignment title. The lesson of these four letters is a lesson that keeps on giving. And then I guess this. This person, Mr. Healy, who I'm guessing was a teacher or possibly a principal, writes a little letter about it, and he heads it the way it says. AMDG Tom Healy, March 11, 2020 first period lesson from Loyola Hall. So there's a little reflection here about what that meant, at least to one student who went to school in 1977. And so anyway, it. At least I. Sometimes I just need the Internet to just say, yeah, like, this was a thing. I don't. I mean, I definitely remember it. I wouldn't make this up. It's very, very specific. But sometimes I just need the Internet to say yes. Confirmed, buddy. The brain is still working.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, but, you know, you heard me when I was trying to get eyes on this thing, and I had the answer very quickly. And of course, it was literally because that was what the AI, the AI overview, said to me. And you hear this in my voice a lot on the show these days because we're constantly Googling things on the fly. Makes me feel deeply sad that the AI has won because. And you said this on yesterday's show, this idea that, like, now it's like the AI overview is the first thing, and then we fact check it with Wikipedia, which is pretty wild. But just they. They won because I went from ignoring that AI overview constantly because I found it annoying and slightly offensive to. I just read it now because it's at the top of the page. It's just. It's just easier now than going all the way down to Wikipedia or all the way down to a website. And it just. It makes me feel very sad that they have defeated me because of convenience.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, just today I was opening up another tab on something I think I was, oh, because we're using this phone technology that we mentioned earlier. I'm using, like, Google Voice. So I open up Google Voice, and it's like, hey, do you want to start using AI in this program? I'm like, no, I don't even. There isn't anything lacking. I'M calling Luke on the phone. Like, I don't need AI to do that. And also I'm gonna. I don't even know this listener's name. I'm actually looking to see if I can find this. And I'm not trying to put them on front street. But it was interesting. Like, I. I've hardly used AI at all to like, sort of find answers to things. And when I did use it for my fantasy draft prep earlier this year, we had a whole conversation about how weird it was. I got into a fight with a chat GPT thing because it kept telling me that this one player was out for the season and he demonstrably was not. And I was reading the headlines and I was feeding the headlines into the. Into the AI and it's like, okay, I'm sorry about that. I'm like, okay, so. And I even tested him. Like, so if I refeed this question to you, you're going to get it right. And it's sort of weird. It was amazing how conversational it was, but also jaw dropping at how wrong it was. And essentially it's the facts that matter the most and not the pleasantness of the conversation. And well, that's not what we say on tbtl. But that should be true for AI, not our podcast, but a listener. The other day we were talking about Toomgis, right? The kind of animated creature that was the spokes critter, as Genevieve and I call them for AM pm. And we were sort of bemoaning that.

[Luke Burbank]

I write AM PM on the top of all of my papers, by the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Way, for the greater glory of Tumgus. Is that disrespectful to the Catholic show title? I think I like that. I don't want to insult any of our Catholic listeners, but I think that's gotta be the show title. But all of that is to say a listener. We're talking about how Tooomgis has basically disappeared from the advertising campaigns for ampm. And it bummed us out. And we're like, when did that happen? Because it just sort of. He's just sort of slowly apparently backed away from the mic and now there's no sense of somebody, instead of googling it sent me, they're like, oh, I asked AI and this is the result. Tombgus disappeared in. And I'm sorry, I don't have this in front of me right now. So just consider this sort of a paraphrase or an example. I don't have the dates right, but it was something like Tumgis disappeared in 2009, after a company decided that it no longer needed that mascot or whatever. And I wrote back to this person. I'm like, listen, I'm not Googling this right now, but I can just tell you that that is definitely wrong. Like, I didn't get to Seattle until about 2009, and I didn't know about Tungus, I think, until I got back from LA or something. Like, I just know that Tungus has been around. Well, first of all, since Genevieve and I have been doing our podcast, which we started in 2016 or something like that. Like, there's. And I wrote back. I was just like, this chatbot. I'm like, you know, I'm not. Again, not trying to be argumentative with the listeners, but I'm like, this is just, just so untrue. Very well written. Like, very well written and confident, but just demonstrably wrong. And I don't understand why we're still turning to AI when it's demonstrably wrong.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, the hallucinations, Right. Well, was Toomga sleeping or exercising upside down by the. By the monster energy drink cooler in.

[Andrew Walsh]

The back of the amp? Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Andrew, I want to apologize to you and the listeners because I have now I've been fully, any given Sunday pilled. I am obsessed with this movie and how bad I imagine it is. The names of the teams are so like, here's what I would say if you're going to make a movie about the NFL, if you can't get the real team names, don't even make the movie. Just stop right there. And in fact, I'll say that for any professional sport like MLB or the NBA or something that we. It's just so in our consciousness. I will never be able to watch a movie where Al Pacino is the coach of the Miami Sharks.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And take it seriously.

[Andrew Walsh]

It sounds so xfle, doesn't it?

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Where does he hate me out there? These are the teams from any given Sunday. The Miami Sharks, the Minnesota Americans. The Chicago Rhinos. The California Crusaders, the New York Emperors, the Dallas Knights. By the way, the Dallas Knights thing is a whole, basically continuity error in the movie. Apparently at the end of the film. D'. Amato. That's. D' Amato is Al Pacino's character laments to gathered media about his team's loss to San Francisco, but he does not reference their mascot on the team schedule. The San Francisco Knights are mentioned, but this is likely a mistake because the Dallas team has that nickname. There's also a team called the Pharaohs. That is mentioned during the Minnesota game without any city. So it's possible they are the San Francisco Pharaohs. What I love is that somebody watched any given Sunday and needed to solve the mystery of which teams have what names. And if he's. If. If there's a continuity error in this. You also, by the way, have the Washington Lumberman, the Oregon Pioneers. You can't also place these professional teams in states that we know don't have professional football. That also really, really throws me out of the sort of. How about the Wisconsin Iceman? Hey, did you see that Iceman game last night?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, man, the Iceman are breaking my heart again, man. Every year, Every year I think it's.

[Luke Burbank]

Going to be different.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is going to be the year. This is going to be the year. Just constantly waiting for the Iceman to get there.

[Luke Burbank]

The Iceman never cometh, unfortunately. Andrew, the last thing I'll say is that it is insane to me that Charlton Heston is in this movie. Charlton Heston plays the commissioner of whatever this made up funky football league is that they're all playing in. I just like the idea that Charlton Heston was still alive and acting to be in this movie is somehow blowing my mind.

[Andrew Walsh]

This must be the only movie that stars both Charlton Dalton Heston and LL Cool J. I'm going out on a limb.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

You mean. What is AI?

[Luke Burbank]

You mean Julian? You mean Julian J, Man, Washington as his. His character.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know that he was in it. And I was playing that clip at the end of yesterday's show, and I'm watching it on YouTube, I'm like, there's LL Cool J duplication investigation. He honestly, like, in all seriousness, as bad as that scene was that I played yesterday at the end of the show, the, like, suddenly seeing LL Cool J's smiling face, like there's something about his face, his screen presence kind of brings me joy. Like, I'm not kidding. When he walks out of the screen, I'm just like, it's ll. Like, I guess that's how he got.

[Luke Burbank]

The nickname Ladies Love Cool J. I am, by the way, I'm asking the Internet to tell me about movies that feature Charlton Heston and LL Cool J. And Andrew, you're absolutely right, my friend. There we go. That intersection. There is only one intersection of those two careers, and it is, in fact, any given Sunday. There were no other films featuring those two guys together. You were at least as smart, if not smarter than the Internet today, Andrew. You sensed that intuitively, and you were absolutely right.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what you get when you offer it up to Toomgis. Luke.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think that's offensive. I think even our Catholic listeners will appreciate just how amazing. How amazing that little thing is that we ended up at.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you know, I'm kind of bummed we didn't have time to talk because I'm looking at the clock and I know that you're on a tight schedule. We have a little meeting we have to log onto here. So sorry to kind of take the reins here, but I'm gonna start the music and get us out of here. But I will say we should. I mean, I don't know, maybe it's too old by tomorrow, but the little redhead story is an interesting one.

[Luke Burbank]

I really wanna talk about it. No, I'll be home. I'll be in my studio. I'll be in the right frame. It'll be a Friday. I'll be in the right frame of mind to talk about the Little Red Hen.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, no, no. That's not the right frame of mind. The right frame of mind is where are you flying in? Are you flying into Seattle and then taking a flight down to Portland?

[Luke Burbank]

I think I fly directly to Portland. I fly to Chicago and then Portland.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why? Well, you can change that. You fly into Seattle. The right frame of mind for doing that show is you and I recording it in the corner of the Little Red Hen, of course. On a Friday afternoon.

[Luke Burbank]

Rolling Thunder. Good old Rolling Thunder.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, we don't actually risk that because neither one of us have the cojones to go in there and actually record a podcast. I will talk about it more. I love that bar, but that would be one of the last places in Seattle where I'd want to go up and say, can we record a podcast in the corner?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Hi. We. We host one of the last remaining podcasts in America. I don't know if you've heard.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hi, Conan o'. Brien.

[Luke Burbank]

Luke's theories. Yes. I don't know if you know Luke's theories on the fact that we're in the nadir point of podcasting and that he thinks maybe TBTL will regenerate healthily and bring back the industry, but could we do it from the back corner?

[Andrew Walsh]

And can I have a bitters and soda that I nurse for.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, so here's my question. You said bring the music. This is a Thursday episode of tbtl. Are we going to. Shall we blurs it or.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God. Goodness.

[Luke Burbank]

Special Friday Blurs. Yeah. Who's remembering things?

[Andrew Walsh]

You're on the phone. You didn't hear that ending. This is the first. That ending. Music is playing underneath us and now I have to stop it. Why don't we take words by interrupt us.

[Luke Burbank]

Everything is so Latin today.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love it. Should we.

[Luke Burbank]

And this is just what happens sometimes. It's okay, listeners. Don't be scared. This is just. You're hearing Andrew and I really actually hashing this out on the air. It's totally your call, my friend. Should we actually do a special Friday blurs tomorrow?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Or should we just go ahead and power through?

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, yep, let us do that. We'll do it tomorrow. That'll give people last minute to get it in there. So that means we can go and.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what?

[Andrew Walsh]

Back to this. There we go.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Friday is my actual sister Liz's. It's her golden blurs.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, don't, don't.

[Luke Burbank]

So that'll be fun. She'll never hear it, but it'll be fun anyway, so. All right, good listen. Thank you. Thank you everyone for listening to today's show. Weird and wacky though it might have been. It was fun. We will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you. I'll be back home at the Madrona Hill studio ready to bring in da noise and bring in dafunk. So join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Thursday. Take care of yourselves. Please Remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all. Power out.