#4528 That’s Nacho Business

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL Episode #4528 – “That’s Nacho Business”

Release Date: August 8, 2025

In episode #4528 of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live, hosts Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh delve into a variety of engaging topics ranging from literary concepts to personal hygiene habits, listener experiences at concerts, and the dynamics of maintaining honesty during their podcast adventures. This episode, aptly titled “That’s Nacho Business,” blends humor with insightful discussions, making it a delightful listen for both regular followers and newcomers.

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1. Subtext vs. The Text

The episode kicks off with an intriguing listener voicemail that sparks a conversation about literary terminology. A listener inquires about the term for the explicit message in plays, novels, and songs, contrasting it with the commonly discussed subtext.

Listener (00:06): "Subtext, we know, but what do you call what's above the subtext?"

Andrew Walsh (00:30): "The text."

The hosts humorously explore this concept, emphasizing the rarity of discussions surrounding "the text" compared to subtext.

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2. Hand Hygiene and Bathroom Habits

Transitioning from literary terms, Luke and Andrew engage in a lighthearted yet informative dialogue about handwashing habits both at home and in public spaces. They ponder over societal norms and personal practices regarding hygiene.

Luke Burbank (05:00): "I don't linger in the bathroom or tarry in there. I just kind of get up and leave because I'm just going into another part of my house where I'm also completely unbothered by anyone."

Andrew Walsh (08:16): "Are you grabbing some celery out of that?"

The conversation touches on the importance of handwashing, especially in the context of frequent public interactions, such as riding the bus.

Andrew Walsh (09:21): "I just go back to thinking like, well, are you going to touch food? Are you going to, are you going to reach into a bag of chips and possibly touch some that you're not eating right in the moment?"

The hosts share their personal routines and the influence of habits formed during the pandemic on their current hygiene practices.

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3. Listener Voicemail: The Concert Filming Incident

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to a listener voicemail from Kate, who recounts a frustrating experience at a Jungle concert where a fellow attendee continuously filmed the performance, detracting from the overall experience.

Kate (17:34): "He elbowed his way up to the front row, elbowed me out of the way of the front row, continued to film the entire thing on his phone... ruining our experience of this whole show."

Andrew Walsh (19:04): "And it sounds like Kate is not buying this at all. The heartstrings have not been pulled."

Luke and Andrew dissect the voicemail, debating the balance between capturing memories and respecting the shared live experience. They empathize with Kate's frustration while contemplating the underlying motives of the individual filming.

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4. Personal Anecdotes: Honesty During Podcast Travels

The hosts reflect on their own experiences of maintaining honesty about their podcast during travels. Recalling a trip to Friendship, Wisconsin, they discuss the challenges of concocting believable cover stories when questioned about their presence.

Andrew Walsh (25:28): "Are you having a boys weekend?"

Luke Burbank (26:02): "We flew all the way to Wisconsin to do our podcast... but our biggest failing was we forgot what our lie was gonna be."

This segment highlights the camaraderie between Luke and Andrew, their candidness about the occasional awkwardness of lying, and the ethical considerations of honesty in casual conversations.

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5. Interactions with New Donors and Community Engagement

Towards the end of the episode, a voicemail from Carolyn introduces a promotion for Seven Seas Brewery, connecting the podcast community with local business initiatives.

Carolyn (31:10): "I'm Carolyn in Encinitas... your dazzling donor today was Chris from the little theater. They had a TBTL meetup at Seven Seas Brewery."

Luke Burbank (32:06): "When you hear your cousin's business being promoted... that would be very, very exciting."

Andrew and Luke express enthusiasm over the support from listeners like Carolyn, reinforcing the show's community-driven ethos.

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6. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Luke and Andrew maintain their signature humor and warmth, encouraging listeners to continue participating by leaving voicemails and supporting the show.

Luke Burbank (33:35): "And I want to thank everybody for hanging out with us and being part of TBTL. It means the world."

Andrew Walsh (34:00): "Please call 206-414-TBTL and leave us a voicemail message and we will play it eventually."

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Notable Quotes:

• Andrew Walsh (00:30): "The text."
• Luke Burbank (05:00): "I don't linger in the bathroom or tarry in there."
• Kate (17:34): "He's ruining our experience of this whole show."
• Andrew Walsh (25:28): "Are you having a boys weekend?"
• Carolyn (31:10): "Your dazzling donor today was Chris from the little theater."
• Luke Burbank (33:35): "Thank you everybody for hanging out with us and being part of TBTL."

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Conclusion

Episode #4528 of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live offers a blend of thoughtful discussions and entertaining anecdotes. From dissecting literary concepts to navigating personal hygiene and engaging with listener experiences, Luke and Andrew provide a relatable and enjoyable narrative. Their ability to intertwine humor with meaningful conversations makes this episode a standout addition to the daily show, inviting listeners to reflect on their own experiences while feeling connected to the broader TBTL community.

Transcript

[Listener]

Maybe you can clarify something for me. Since I've been waiting for the fleet to show up, I've read a lot.

[Luke Burbank]

Really?

[Listener]

And one of the things that keeps popping up is this about subtext. Plays, novels, songs, they all have a subtext, which I take to mean a hidden message or import of some kind. So, subtext, we know, but what do you call the message or meaning that's right there on the surface, completely open and obvious? They never talk about that. What do you call what's above the subtext?

[Andrew Walsh]

The text.

[Listener]

Okay, that's right, but they never talk about that.

[Andrew Walsh]

T, T, B, T, L.

[Luke Burbank]

Guess what.

[Andrew Walsh]

Day it is Guess what day it.

[Becca]

Is It's Friday Friday Gonna get down.

[Luke Burbank]

On Friday Everybody's looking forward to the weekend Calamine, Calamine. Calamine Lotion.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, no, no, no. Not the lotion.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, this generation is all. Ain't that the truth.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, this is a rumor that's out there on the Internet, and you think it's nothing. Tell you what, I'm gonna look into it. This could be very interesting indeed. Okay, quick question. The Internet, that's the one with email, right? Yes. Got it. I'm on it.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's called the Danger Witch, and it's dangerously good. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

[Andrew Walsh]

Be careful, though.

[Luke Burbank]

It's spicy. Coming to you once again on a beautiful summer day. Absolutely picture perfect.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, Ma Pa.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just beautiful. I am feeling in exactly the right mood to do some. To do some power organizing and to really clean out the closet of TBTL, the audio closet, as it were. Here on episode 4528 in a collector series, Let the fun begin. People call in, they leave us voicemail messages. They share their lives with us, and then we. We. We take those voicemail messages, we put them in a special folder somewhere on Andrew's desk, and then we forget to play them for months on end. Well, this week has been a real sea change when it comes to that stuff because we are playing them. We are giving you a chance to make your voice heard here on tbtl. If you left us a voicemail in the last few months, they suddenly realized I was talking to them. And that is what we are going to do once again today. We are going to play some more TBTL voicemails, and we are going to react to them, and we're going to do that with the help of this dude. The Longest running cobra of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's known in some places as Mr. Unlimited. He's Andrew Walsh. She's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning. I would be like, how are we doing? How are we doing? How's. How's everybody? How's everybody doing out there?

[Luke Burbank]

Hot start. Hot what start?

[Andrew Walsh]

That, I think, is a first for me. I couldn't get through my first sentence that was. We're in a bit of a time crunch today. Otherwise I would force you to restart the show and redo your entire intro. My apologies.

[Luke Burbank]

I think it adds a little bit of texture. We have so many shows, Andrew, where we don't need the Heimlich. And, you know, after. What is it you said? 4528 shows.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

We've got to figure out ways to mix it up. And one of those ways is a medical emergency for one of the people. I think it just happened.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, you got Father Dunphy's prize wheel over there. What I need is some defibrillators over here on my end.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Legally, I think each radio studio is supposed to have. It's like a ymca. There needs to be certain life saving equipment that is publicly displayed and has the directions for how to operate it clearly marked on it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you know that? And you're gonna laugh at this, you're gonna think this is like overkill, but because I use my home as an office and, you know, a workplace, I legally have to have a sign in my bathroom that says employees must wash hands before returning to work. And I have it in there. I take it down on the weekends. That's why you've never.

[Luke Burbank]

Now, do you. Are you more likely to wash your hands because of the sign instructing you to wash your hands?

[Andrew Walsh]

I would wash my hands no matter what. Obviously I would wash. I wash my hands every time I use the restroom.

[Luke Burbank]

Have we talked about that before?

[Andrew Walsh]

I go into the restroom just to wash my hands.

[Luke Burbank]

I was. We. Well, congratulations, Kate's husband. More bathroom talk.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

We were talking about using the restroom the other day. And time spent tsr. You've heard about tsl, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Time spent listening.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right. That's a radio term. Do you think they still do tsl? Is that still a thing for the ratings?

[Andrew Walsh]

Probably, yeah. Gotta head down to boot camp.

[Luke Burbank]

But TSB is time spent bathrooming.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

And I was saying how when I, you know, when I used to live with, you know, somebody, probably a wife, sometimes a Child, I spent a lot of time in the bathroom, I think, without even realizing it, because it was a sanctuary, but now I live a sanctuary bathroom. And now that I live alone, most of the time, I find I actually spend less time in the bathroom or what. I spend the amount of time in the bathroom that I need to. To do whatever needs to be done. But then I don't. I don't linger in there. I don't tarry in there. I just kind of get up and leave because I'm just going into another part of my house where I'm also completely unbothered by anyone. Now, if I were to be, let's just say, watching the Seattle Mariners, and I realize, oh, I've got to go to the bathroom. A number one, by the way. I want to be clear. I'm alone in my house. It's just me and my frustration with whatever Mariner is not doing what I want them to do in that moment.

[Andrew Walsh]

You use the kitchen sink, and I.

[Luke Burbank]

Go into my bathroom and I pee. Is it incredibly gross if I were to not wash my hands after that in my own house alone?

[Andrew Walsh]

Are you eating nachos?

[Luke Burbank]

That's nacho business. It's a very personal question.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love that.

[Luke Burbank]

So terrible, terrible humor on a Friday. No, but, I mean, I don't even. I don't think that this is the case. I usually wash my hands even when alone, because, for one thing, it's just a habit. And the other thing is I just like my hands feeling kind of clean. You know, again, if you have been eating anything, if it's humid out, as my mom would say, humid humidity. It's the humidity. My mom. I believe. Now, my mom might hear this, so she can. She can correct the record or clarify, but I think that my mom used to think that my mom grew up in Philadelphia, where they say humid.

[Andrew Walsh]

Born and raised.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a very humid day out there. And I think she used to think that when people, like in her social circle would leave Philadelphia, like when she was maybe in her late teens, early 20s, when people are starting to go on with their life, if people. I think she thought that my Aunt Mary Lou was trying to be very cosmopolitan when she moved out to California and then came back and said it was humid. I think I remember it being my mom being like, who do you think.

[Andrew Walsh]

You are using an H saying humid, Using that West Coast H. Oh, I.

[Luke Burbank]

See you've been out in California at the commune, and now you say humid.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, we're pronouncing all the letters now.

[Luke Burbank]

But when it's humid and your hands feel sticky, I like the feeling of my hands being clean. I also have nice soap in my bathroom.

[Andrew Walsh]

You say I have nice skin. You do have nice skin.

[Luke Burbank]

It's okay. I've got some oily Irish skin. But I like the feeling of my hands being clean is what I'm trying to say. I generally wash my hands, but there have to be a few times where maybe I want to run back out and see how Luke Rayleigh is doing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure.

[Luke Burbank]

And maybe I don't wash my hands. I would, I want to be very clear. I would never do that at like a public place. I would never go into a bathroom at a restaurant or anywhere else, use the bathroom and not wash my hands. But I guess my question is, is it, is it a little bit more acceptable at home if you live by yourself and there. Nobody is going to be experienced in this in the short term other than yourself?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I mean, that's, I guess, your own personal decision. Nobody would even know. So it's you. I'm sure many, many people do this. I mean, again, I just go back to thinking like, well, are you going to touch food? Are you going to, are you going to reach into a bag of chips and possibly touch some that you're not eating right in the moment? And so you're, you're spreading those germs, you know, for tomorrow's chip eating? Like, I don't know, are you grabbing some celery out of that?

[Luke Burbank]

And also, what's that, what's the, what's the half life of those germs? Let's say that I'm getting some nachos. I'm getting some nacho chips and, and I do get a little bit of, of my own funk on them. And then tomorrow, then you all, I.

[Andrew Walsh]

Come over to watch the game with you and you offer me a chip to watch the fish out, to watch this coming over tomorrow.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you coming over tomorrow to watch the fish?

[Andrew Walsh]

I would love that. Bring a little zd.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

So anyway, I mean, listen, I'm not trying to sound unbending on this. All I'm saying is I wash my hands every time, every time on time.

[Luke Burbank]

Under budget, promises made, promises kept.

[Andrew Walsh]

I do wash my hands a lot. I don't think this is something I've always done. And it's not related to the pandemic. I think it's more related to me taking the bus everywhere these days. I've gotten into a habit of when I go into a restaurant, I sit down I order. But before I do anything, especially if I'm like, if I have a beverage that I need to squeeze a lemon or a lime into, like, if I get an iced tea or something like that, I don't touch anything until I go into the restroom, wash my hands, and then I come back out. And I do think I got in that habit because you get something called bus hands. Like, when you ride on the E Line, you're touching those metal bars. You're touching maybe the seat in front of you. God knows what you're touching. Yeah, you just sort of. When you get off the bus, you sort of just have this physical sense of that I just kind of feel.

[Luke Burbank]

You kind of need to step into one of those secure chambers where they kind of spray you down with a disinfectant, like an outbreak or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

Dustin. Yeah, I call it Dustin Hoffmaning. Yes. So anyway, and now I'm just sort of in the. In the habit of doing that because I'm deciding when I walk in, I'm like, I don't want to touch my food. And this doesn't have to do with going to the bathroom. It just has to do with, like, just touching things in the world and then touc food. I'm not a. I guess I'm making myself out to sound like a real freak about this stuff. I don't consider myself to be a freak. I never talk about it. I don't. I don't usually shame people, although I will always. I would. I have fantasies about shaming men who I see leave the rest without washing their hands. I can't. I just can't imagine. I just can't imagine that.

[Luke Burbank]

That one really, really gets to me. And I do have. You know, I am very tempted to say something I usually don't because it's like, A, it's not going to change their behavior. B, it might start some kind of a physical confrontation that I'm not trying to have at a. At a Denny's. But it sure does make me mad when I'm even in the airport. I'm in a lot of airport bathrooms where I'm washing my hands and then behind me, because of course, there's always a big mirror. You just see somebody just come right away from the stall or the urinal and then just bop right on out that door.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sometimes the stall. Think about that. Okay, we gotta get some.

[Luke Burbank]

You know who does shame? Me? We should. We should play the. I mean, listen, I've got this prize wheel for a reason, and let's make good Use of it. But I will just say very briefly, you know, who kind of. I don't even know if it's actually shaming or not, but who gently reminds me about sort of hand hygiene is Becca.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. How does she remind you?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, first of all, she is a.

[Andrew Walsh]

She carries around sanitizer.

[Luke Burbank]

She absolutely does. Like a spray kind of sanitizer. And she is a very, very, very sort of, you know, clean person and washes her hands a lot. And if she was going to eat anything that was going to involve, like, her picking it up with her hands, if we go into a restaurant, she goes and washes her hands.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, me too.

[Luke Burbank]

But what usually happens is we sit down and I'm just, like, hungry and I'm, you know, I'm feeling like I just want to dig into whatever this is and I'll go to reach for the first thing and she will hand me the hand spray.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Because she's. She's using the bathroom. She's availing herself of the sink and soapy. See, this is the thing. I hate hand sanitizer. I hate the way it feels. It doesn't feel.

[Luke Burbank]

This is like.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm.

[Luke Burbank]

For the record, it's not the stuff that we were all using during the pandemic.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not a gel.

[Luke Burbank]

It's not a gel.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, but I still. The only time I use hand sanitizer is when I'm volunteering on Sundays because we're working with food, you know, and so I'm kind of constantly. But it's also the. We don't have a sink. We're just setting up tables under a bridge. So if anything gets on my hands or whatever, I'm, like, kind of constantly using hand sanitizer. And that's, you know, because I want my hands to be sanitized, but I also want the people I'm serving to see that we are conscientious about this. And so I'm. Then by the end of the hour when I'm, like, kind of driving home, my hands just feel so gross. I cannot wait to get to a sink and actually wash my hands because I've just been applying hand sanitizer the whole time. I know that's not what you're talking about.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm dying to ask you what kind of soap hand soap use at your house. But I see that even as we've been talking, more voicemails have been coming in, which is a. It's a real gremlins situation here. Andrew, why did we feed these voicemails after Midnight.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, I know.

[Luke Burbank]

We're trying to have. We're trying to reduce down the voicemails, and instead we're just becoming a couple of compilers.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yes. Yes, we are. I will say that. And I'm serious about this.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't want to be negative about the voicemails. I feel like the. I've been listening to the voicemail line. I think you handed the keys to the voicemail line over to me when we made this our permanent job in 2015. So that's 10 years. And I think the voicemail line right now in this era is as good as it's ever been. People are calling in with all kinds of stories. I mean, it's always been good. The listeners have always brought it. But I just think that. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's video games or what, but people are just, like, really bringing great stories. So can you spin the Dunphy wheel?

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

I think also, people are loving the new outgoing message.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah. We changed it up before for the billboard. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

When we put that billboard up, we were going to be deluged with calls by people that were like, what is this thing?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

And so we changed the outgoing message, and I think that's also helping.

[Andrew Walsh]

I never got one call from a stranger who said, what in the tarnation is this billboard about? Never one.

[Luke Burbank]

We did find out from Bob in the morning that he was confused.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was as good.

[Luke Burbank]

That was as good as a voicemail.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was as satisfying.

[Luke Burbank]

Got to check on that guy, see how he's doing.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right, here we go. Spin it.

[Luke Burbank]

All right. Round and round it goes where it starts.

[Andrew Walsh]

A good spin, man.

[Luke Burbank]

Nobody knows.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a good spin.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Okay. Good. It went all the way around once. It has to do that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

In order to be a valid spin. And it landed on Kate.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let me. I know this voicemail. Actually, this is a relatively new one based on, you know, a lot of them that we've been playing had to do with, like, my splinter story, which.

[Luke Burbank]

Seems like ancient history. Snooze fest.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. This isn't ancient. This is still history. History. But this I believe I'm going to set this one up since I know I was telling you a while back that I went to see a concert. Luke.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like a real rock and roller. It was the Pixies with our friend Uber Jen. Yeah. And Daniel. And the three of us went to see the Pixies, and Jen and I were really astounded that this Fella in front of us.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Recorded the entire concert. He might have put his phone in his pocket once, but I don't even know if that happened. And you and I were talking about it, so we're talking about landscape versus.

[Luke Burbank]

Where was his mind?

[Andrew Walsh]

Portrait. Where was his mind?

[Luke Burbank]

And with your phone in the air and your butt in the seat.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's pretty good.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you want to do any more? Should I just continue? But. And anyway, I was just astounded and, like, Jen is, like, younger and way more like, kind of plugged in. I mean, way plugged into social media and all that stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

I see her on Tick Tock all the time.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, of course she's on. Just. She's, like, literally a professional digital native. She's a digital native. So when I sort of. And I really try not to be like the God, the old man who shakes his head like, oh, put the phone down and enjoy the concert. If you're not harming other people, if you're not blocking other people's view, do what you want.

[Luke Burbank]

But, like, I don't have you in the last three months, said the words, for crying out loud.

[Andrew Walsh]

For crying out loud. I love that phrase. Reminder to use that more. Anyway, I was kind of like, wow, this guy. And I didn't say anything, though, because I didn't want to seem even older to Jen. But I think Jen might have pointed out to me first, like, this guy's taping the whole show. And I was astounded by that. And we got this voicemail from Kate, as you said.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Becca]

Hey, Cobras, Kate from North Carolina. I'm listening to episode 4510, and y' all are talking about filming, like, live shows. The convo seems more about, like, landscape versus portrait. But I went to a show, the band Jungle, a few years ago, and this guy elbowed his way up to the front row, elbowed me out of the way of the front row, continued to film the entire thing on his phone, standing in front of me while also being tall. And then, like, me and my whole group were really frustrated by it because he's ruining our experience of this whole show. He turns around at some point and he's like, I'm filming this for a friend of mine who has cancer and.

[Bob]

Wasn'T able to come.

[Luke Burbank]

And it was just like, oh, my God.

[Becca]

So now you're gonna, like, guilt me into feeling bad about being frustrated.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, I'm gonna pause it here for a second because I want to say that that is when Jen and I Were kind of like, you know, during the concert, we didn't have an extended conversation about this. I don't want to exaggerate it, but I was like, he's filming the whole thing or whatever. And Jen did say, you know, he might be doing it for somebody who can't be here. She noted that he was at the show by himself. She said, you know, he's here by himself. He might be taping this for somebody who can't be here with him. So I thought that was kind of interesting. But it sounds like Kate is not buying this at all. The heartstrings have not been pulled.

[Becca]

And it was just like, so now you're gonna, like, guilt me into feeling bad about being frustrated. And then him and the person he's there with is also talking about how this is, like, the third or fourth time that they've seen them, this band. And I'm like, this is my first time, probably one of the only times, and you're ruining this for me. And I was so frustrated about it. I'm not really a confrontational person, so I didn't really want to say anything about it. But, you know, I rolled my eyes a lot. I huffed as much as that does any good in a loud space. But anyway, I just. I was thinking about it, and it was making me frustrated all over again.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oops.

[Becca]

This was probably, like, seven years ago. Whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

The north remembers, the north remembers, the North Carolina remembers.

[Andrew Walsh]

I want to take this in a slightly different direction than might seem obvious, but Kate said something there that's got me pondering. Luke, it's the question to ponder. Yeah. It is something that we're obsessed with trademarking here. It's a tbtl. Original idea. She said, you know, this is the first time I've seen this band Jungle, and maybe one of the only times.

[Luke Burbank]

And, you know, their. Their big hit.

[Andrew Walsh]

No.

[Luke Burbank]

The back on 74.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wait a second. This sounds just like Portugal the Man.

[Luke Burbank]

It does sound a bit like that, doesn't it?

[Andrew Walsh]

I seriously. I was like, oh, I know this song. And I was like, no, no, that's Portugal the Man.

[Luke Burbank]

Be familiar.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is a classic. This is a classic. All right, we gotta stop that, because we're getting. All right, all right. But I was gonna say, I guess, you know, unless you're somebody who really follows a band around, and obviously there are people like that who see a band live, you know, dozens, if not a hundred times in their life or something like that. Should do.

[Luke Burbank]

Bees.

[Andrew Walsh]

You and I are not. Yeah, exactly. Right. I'm not like that. And it's making me think. When you go see a show quite often for me, it's like, this might be the last time I ever see. This might be the first and last time I ever see this band live. And now I'm trying to think, what bands of significance. Of significance, not Friends bands or whatever, have I seen the most? And I'm the Pixies, I guess. I've seen twice. I think I saw the B52s twice. What band have you seen the most? You can't count, like, Friends or people who played on Livewire, that kind of thing.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it's got to be Wilco for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah. How many times I've.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, okay. Wilco. Jeff Tweedy solo. I mean, I've probably seen Wilco maybe six times.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. See, that's a real one.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, the real ones know. Yeah, it's. Wilco's one of those things. One of those bands that, you know, if they're in a town and they're playing and the tickets are not sold out and I'm around, you'll probably find me there. Becca and I went and saw them during the Pandemic, actually. I think. Or maybe the tail end of it. I mean, people were allowed to go into theaters, but I think we were masked, maybe.

[Andrew Walsh]

So you're the super Spreader.

[Luke Burbank]

I've seen them at the summer nights at the Pier back in Seattle. Back in the. I saw them at the King Cat Theater with my sister Liz.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that around anymore?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think so. I saw Jeff Tweedy, famously, in the lore of tbtl. I saw Jeff Tweedy solo at the Old Crocodile, which is where I yelled at a guy to shut up, chat.

[Andrew Walsh]

Shut up your face.

[Luke Burbank]

And it went on to. And it made it onto the bootleg recording of that show, which I was very proud of. And then the guy came up to me after the show and yelled at me and said, don't you ever say that to me again. And I thought, I can. I can probably commit to that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

What are the chances we're both going to be at a show together? You have to yell that at you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, it sounds like you might be at another Wilco show together. Yeah, I've seen Wilco once. This is a really interesting question for me. I feel like there's a band that I must have seen more than twice, but I can only think of the Pixies and B52s.

[Luke Burbank]

I think I might have seen Wilco more than six times, because I've seen them at Sasquatch multiple times. I saw them at the Thing festival that we were at. I believe they were, like, the headliners.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yep, yep.

[Luke Burbank]

I think I've seen Wilco, like, 10 times, easily. You know who I would like to. And I'm going to be going and seeing them when they come through the Portland area again in September is Big Thief.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's great.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I think I've seen them maybe two times. And the shows, Adrian Lenker is such a. I mean, the whole band, genius, but particularly Adrian Lenker is such a genius musician, songwriter, performer, that I'm like. I mean, the last time that I saw them, I just stood there, one arm around Addie, one arm around Becca, just sort of borderline sobbing, singing at the top of my lungs the whole show. Like, I think I'm becoming the kind of person that if Big Thief is playing and I'm in the area, I'm going to the show.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's pretty good. I've seen Belly twice. Once when they were in their heyday and then once at the 20th anniversary of that same tour, just kind of recently. Last winter, I think. So I saw Belly twice.

[Luke Burbank]

But now can we just, you know, I don't want to get all New York Times ethicist on it. Oh, no, I'm actually proud that I said ethicist.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's pretty good.

[Luke Burbank]

Upon first attempt.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I've stumbled on much easier words today.

[Luke Burbank]

But this question of, you know, I'm making everyone's experience worse here at this concert because I'm trying to make someone else's experience better. Somebody who's dealing with illness. That's a complicated one. Right. Because the act of doing that is a very kind thing, but the act of. I don't want to say making it someone else's problem, because that sounds incredibly callous, but you know what I mean, like, kind of leveraging, using that as a sort of carte blanche.

[Andrew Walsh]

I also don't believe this guy. Well, there's also. There's a way to do this that isn't as rude, too. It sounds like he said, like, he pushed his way up front. He was just Boris. He said this. Who knows if he's. But he.

[Luke Burbank]

Here's the thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

But how is, like, seeing shaky cell phone footage of an entire concert. Like, I understand, like, you love somebody and maybe they're in really bad shape and, like, you don't even know how much time. Like, I understand, like, maybe one song or really, like, you know, get a T shirt and take photos of you and your friends together. And let them know, we wish you were here. We were thinking of you the whole time. But I don't think that is an excuse to. If you're ruining somebody else's experience, hold up your phone. And I will say. And again, I'm not trying to. I would. I really enjoyed that show, but it was a little distracting with this guy holding his phone up the whole damn time.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, well, I. The reason I think they might not have been lying was because they were with a friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's true.

[Luke Burbank]

Can you imagine? Can you imagine? We go to a show.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And just pull it out. Sadly, I think you can imagine because you know me, but, like, imagine being the other person. So, like, you and I are at a concert, and I'm really into it. It's Big thief. And I really want to tape it for some reason on my phone. So I muscle my way to the front. I somehow get you to do. I mean, this entire hypothetical is breaking down very rapidly because you would never come with me on this journey. You would never elbow your way to the front of the crowd with me. But let's just say we're there. I'm filming. It's obviously annoying some people, and I turn around to them and I go, I'm filming this for my friend with cancer. And you're just. This is news to you. I mean, what a bad spot to put your friend into.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I tell you something that I'm just remembering that I wanted to tell you a long time ago when we were in Friendship, Wisconsin.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Who can we forget?

[Andrew Walsh]

The reason I'm telling the story is because that idea of a communal lie, let's call it that, there was a situation where I wanted to lie about something, but you, me, and John were all there together, and I didn't. I wasn't sure if we were all ready to lie together.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. We had moments.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know if you know where I'm going with this, but we were in the back of that taxi driven by Crystalline.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

And she said, what do y'. All. It was like a minivan that she was driving us from our Airbnb to this bar. It's five o' clock somewhere. The. It's five o' clock somewhere. And she said, what are y' all doing in town? Are you just, like, having a boys weekend or something? Or boys. I don't know what she said.

[Luke Burbank]

I think she said, are you having a boys weekend?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. The reason I'm kind of backing off of that is because I think this was a Tuesday. But I do think she said, are you having a boys weekend? And I. The whole van went silent. I don't know if you remember that. Yes, it went totally silent because I was. If I was in that van by myself, I don't know exactly what I would have said, but it would have been very vague and probably a lie. But I was with you guys. And so I wasn't sure if we were all into this idea of not talking about the podcast.

[Luke Burbank]

This happened, I believe, a few times on that trip. If. If I remember a few times where we were not, of course, talking to the folks, you know, that were into this idea, whether it was the historical society folks or the. Whatever. Other people, but when we were talking to just some kind of civilians couple of times in town, I remember that moment where somebody asked us, like, what are you doing here at that bar?

[Andrew Walsh]

The slip in.

[Luke Burbank]

The guy was less.

[Andrew Walsh]

Less the drummer.

[Luke Burbank]

Less the drummer.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is more.

[Luke Burbank]

And. And he asked, what are y' all doing here? Well, so back to the. The car ride. I'm. I'm 100 with you. If I were by myself in that van and I was here somehow doing TBTL and the person asked me about, I would have absolutely lied because I would not have wanted to get into it. What happened was. And if I remember right, I think I was the one who volunteered the information that we did.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was awkward. I feel you and I are not comfortable with silence. And so it was funny. Like, there was like two or three seconds of silence, and I was like, this is really awkward. She must think we're murderers or something. Nobody is saying why we're in town.

[Luke Burbank]

And, like, the reason that I didn't lie was because. The same reason you didn't lie, because we had not made some sort of plan as to what is our cover story. The irony, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

That we would fly all the way to Wisconsin to do our podcast to try to grow our audience, raise money, promote the show, but that our biggest failing was we forgot what our lie was gonna be. To not. Not talk about the very reason we were there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Crime. We're here to do crime.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just like the worst lie possible, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. Something much worse. But not arson.

[Andrew Walsh]

No. A lot of buildings burned down there.

[Luke Burbank]

No, but. But someone beat us to that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

They're in French. But, like. But it's funny how that. How that kind of dynamic works. Because I'm with you.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would have.

[Luke Burbank]

If I was by myself. And I have many times, and I will many times going forward. I Often lie about what I'm doing in a town if I'm there for cbs, even if I'm there for Livewire, because I just. I don't feel like getting into it. I don't want to. I just don't want to have the larger conversation about it. But because we were all together, you and John and I were all together in that car. I also didn't feel comfortable just going. We're here for a plumbing conference. Because that I don't. Here's the plumbers with that. Yeah. We're doing break ins. We're doing crime here as the plumbers. I don't know if you heard about our work at Watergate. It didn't go super well.

[Andrew Walsh]

We got the band back together.

[Luke Burbank]

We did. But the thing is, here's the other energy that I don't. That I don't really like is being. I don't know why, but being in a group of guys and lying to a person who's in a service position, whether it's the. The. Maybe the waitress at a restaurant or the person driving you. There's something that feels gross and chauvinistic.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

About being like.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know what you mean.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, man, we're here for a real estate conference.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

And I'm looking at you and I.

[Andrew Walsh]

Knowing each other, and I know how.

[Luke Burbank]

You and John get.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Just absolutely toxic male energy. Well, mostly him, but you know what I mean. Like, that also would have felt bad to me to lie to this person's face with you all knowing that I was lying and kind of then being in on it. I don't like that energy either. So I had no choice.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But to make a friend and a new listener, I want to thank. New donor crystal.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

From Adam's Friendship Cab Company.

[Andrew Walsh]

Dazzling donor level. Okay, listen here.

[Luke Burbank]

One more quick.

[Andrew Walsh]

Spin that wheel again.

[Luke Burbank]

I sure can. Hold on.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, man.

[Luke Burbank]

I had. You brought the band. No, I brought the band Jungle in to perform their hit back on 74 so that you'd be able to kind of. So I could jog your memory on that.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what? Lying is awful. Why would somebody lie about what they're doing?

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, guys. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah, no, you guys were great. No, that was perfect. Okay, I need you to move, though. You're blocking the prize wheel. Oh, you call it a. You call it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just like you did in the 70s.

[Luke Burbank]

You call. You call it a tote wheel in England. Oh, we call it a prize wheel over here. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you should have given them a mic. We could have interviewed them.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, that would have been kind of a good. I didn't even think what a good get that was. All right, here we go. I've got the prize wheel back and I. Andrew, I'm gonna be honest. I was hoping it would stop on Carolyn.

[Andrew Walsh]

Did it? It did it. Looks like. It looks like you got Carolyn there. If I can see that clearly, you're closer to it than I am. But I'll be.

[Luke Burbank]

Than I do.

[Andrew Walsh]

I set up. I. You know, I set up that other voicemail from Kate, but I don't have any idea what this one is about.

[Luke Burbank]

So let's hear Flying Blind.

[Becca]

Hi, lovies, this is Carolyn and.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. Hi, lovies.

[Luke Burbank]

Love it. I know she said loveies or hubbies, but I'll take either way, I think.

[Andrew Walsh]

Lovey.

[Becca]

Hi, lovies, this is Carolyn and Encinitas, and I was just listening to the show while I make dinner as usual. And your dazzling donor today was Chris from the little theater.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah.

[Becca]

She was just saying that they had a TBTL meetup at Seven Seas Brewery. And that's my cousin's beer company. He has breweries in Tacoma and Giga harbor, and he sells Seven Seas Beer up in Washington state. Anyway, I got all excited because there's a little TBTL connection with my cousin. All right, talk to you later. Good show. What you do is so important.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's very sweet. I love that. And I also understand why you would feel compelled to tell that story. It's just like you're like, what? That's my cousin. That's my cousin. You just get excited. You need to tell people. Yes. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

When you hear your cousin's business being promoted in a way on TBT for a TBT event or a get together or what have you, or just Chris's sort of dealings as the little theater manager, proprietor, president, client, and a client and a client. That would be very, very exciting. And, oh, my goodness gracious, I am. What a time for her, by the way. I love her saying lovies. I would. I'd really like to promote that maybe as the new dummies. Could lovies be the new dummies?

[Andrew Walsh]

The. Hey, lovies. Hey, lovies. Actually, I love that loveies are the new dummies. I'm on the Seven Seas Brewing website right here. It's beautiful. I did have to say I'm over 21. Which.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, wait, no, I am over 21. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

You had to say you are wearing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Headphones and I had to.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, A little Riverside humor here on.

[Andrew Walsh]

A Friday humor between two guys who have to click a button every single day that says I am wearing headphones. Yes. I just wish it would remember that's our burden.

[Luke Burbank]

That only you and I can really understand.

[Andrew Walsh]

Andrew, they're using AI for all this. That I do not need. Tell the AI yes I'm wearing headphones every day. Or AI tell the machine. Like just. Can we put this stuff to use in a way that has. Hey, Siri, some sort of useful.

[Luke Burbank]

Will you tell Riverside that yes, we are wearing headphones? We do this a lot.

[Andrew Walsh]

There should be a Syrian jungle.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, she is. She's the fourth tambourinist.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

What do you think?

[Luke Burbank]

Listen, I'm not. This dinosaur isn't going to slide down itself on this Friday, my friend. And I'm just the person to do it. So that is going to be the end of this broadcast week. And I want to thank everybody for hanging out with us and being part of tbtl. It means the world. Hey, if you would like to continue creating a problem for Andrew by calling in and leaving us more voicemail, it's a blessing.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love them. Loveies.

[Luke Burbank]

Please call 206-414-TBTL and leave us a voicemail message and we will play it eventually. All right, thanks again everybody. Have a great Friday. Take care of yourselves and please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all.

[Bob]

Hey guys, this is Bob giving you a call. Just wishing you well and thanks for coming for the week. And by gosh, we will see you again down the road, I hope. And no, you do not have permission to steal the question upon her. You can licensing from me though if you'd like to call me back. Thanks guys. Bye.

[Andrew Walsh]

Power out.