#4543 Steamboat Dinosaur

Summary

TBTL #4543: Steamboat Dinosaur

Date: August 29, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh

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Episode Overview

In this Friday edition of TBTL, Luke and Andrew riff their way through a classic freewheeling episode that dances from bizarre dreams and public bathroom anxiety, to pizza party politics, hummingbird–yellowjacket warfare, nostalgic movie deep dives, and the surprising dark finale of the TV show "Dinosaurs." The episode features the hosts’ signature blend of humor, personal stories, cultural nostalgia, and playful banter, all delivered with their good-natured chemistry. Listeners are treated to memorable digressions on classic films, the evolution of newspapers, and a surprising amount of bee and bird discourse—plus, there’s even a live debate about pizza loyalty, and a shocking discovery about Jason Alexander’s voice work.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Tomfoolery and Friday Vibes (00:00–01:26)

• Andrew and Luke kick off with a dramatic fire drill reenactment, setting the comedic tone.
• Launch into Friday with a "Rebecca Black – Friday" musical nod, and tease "sex, money, power, fire, choking, being dragged behind a speedboat" as all part of the same TBTL energy.

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2. Luke's Shark News & Hummingbird–Yellowjacket Feeder War (01:47–03:49, 40:24–45:55)

• Luke shares a story about fishermen catching—and releasing—an orange shark, commenting, "there's only one mysterious fish freakout audio that I like to listen to...the guys in Boston seeing a sunfish." (02:47)
• Memorable quote:
  • Luke: "It's a battle between hummingbirds, which I love, and yellow jackets. Which I hate." (02:54)
• Yellowjackets have infested Luke's hummingbird feeder, setting up an ongoing subplot: "These hummingbirds are fully being menaced by these wasps. And it ends today after the show." (45:06)
• The hosts debate bee/wasp classification and consult the internet, learning yellowjackets can indeed harm hummingbirds. Andrew quips about PerkyPet.com ceasing their (fictional) print edition.

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3. Dream Confessions: Anxiety, Toilets, and Emotional Release (03:49–09:32)

• Andrew admits he's been hiding a recurring dream theme: "Pooping in public or without as much privacy as you would want." (04:38)
• Luke relates, comparing it to the classic "naked in public" dream. They discuss dream logic, embarrassment, and online dream interpretation—leading to some on-air psychoanalysis and ribbing.
• Notable exchange:
  • Luke: "If you're not just absolutely shackled with shame, you're borderline proud." (09:12)
  • Andrew: "There is no middle ground." (09:21)

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4. Pizza Parties & Social Calendar Intrigue (10:07–20:48)

• Andrew details his weekend: an end-of-summer party, recording with Hannah, and a much-anticipated Sunday pizza party at Round Table Pizza—until a friend's sports fandom complicates scheduling when the Sounders and Messi come to town.
• Andrew’s conundrum: "I want, as somebody...who would miss my own cat's bris over a meaningless June Mariners game, I really want to encourage this person to follow their heart and watch [the game]." (13:37)
• Luke ponders betraying his Ooni pizza oven to revisit Round Table:
  • "I'm looking at my pizza oven and thinking about cheating on it." (19:00)
• A guilty dance between the nostalgia for chain pizza and the pride of homemade dough unfolds.

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5. Family News: Study Abroad & Parenting Nerves (21:42–25:04)

• The Burbank family prepares to send Maddie to study in Edinburgh; Luke admires his sister's world-traveling, adventurous parenting.
• Andrew asks about the emotions of sending a child so far away; Luke reflects on family travel habits and considers visiting the Edinburgh Fringe Fest.

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6. Pop Culture Whiplash: Baby Reindeer, Overboard & License to Drive (25:04–39:32)

• The hosts marvel at how quickly cultural phenomena fade—with "Baby Reindeer" seeming like years ago despite being only a recent hit, and confusion about where and when they watched it.
• A digression into 80s/90s movies and problematic plots:
  • "Overboard" and "Captain Ron" are unpacked, focusing on the era's lax approach to consent and blue-collar Kurt Russell archetypes.
  • Notable laugh: Andrew: "I love how much Genevieve loves the movie Overboard." (36:59)
  • Memories of "License to Drive" and its VHS cover spark amusement over the odd power of nostalgia.

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7. Evolution of Devices: Phones, Showers & Rice (29:00–33:00)

• Andrew describes his shower phone rituals, multitasking podcasts, texting, and fantasy sports: "Now I'm just texting Luke in the buff." (29:52)
• Luke wonders about the lost correlation between rice sales and phone accidents. They reminisce on past superstitions and how waterproof phones have changed everything.

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8. Print Media Nostalgia: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Goes All Digital (50:58–56:09)

• The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s shift to zero print is discussed. Luke reflects: "My knee-jerk with all this stuff always is to mourn the way that media is changing... But when is the last time I actually read a physical newspaper?" (54:02)
• Both hosts admit they now mostly consume news digitally, despite childhood attachments to print’s tactile rituals.

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9. The TV Show “Dinosaurs”: Hidden Depths and a Dark Series Finale (60:15–70:31)

• A conversation about reading glasses (progressives, half-glasses) gently slides into a surprisingly deep dive into the 90s sitcom "Dinosaurs."
• Luke theorizes the Sinclair family was named for Sinclair Oil (confirms he's right).
• The hosts discover the show’s clever running petroleum industry jokes and its shockingly bleak finale:
  • "The series finale had a very dark tone and depressing tone that caught fans and critics off guard." (70:31)
• Discussion of the show’s “environmental irresponsibility” message and amusing species-inaccuracy.

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10. Emails & Listener Lore: Sleepy Hollow, NY Renaming (74:14–77:55)

• Listener Max from Brooklyn calls in with background on Sleepy Hollow’s branding roots and local trivia, revealing the tourist-driven 1996 name change from North Tarrytown.
• Luke marvels at being “duped” by modern tourism branding, then stumbles over the realization that the “recent” 1996 name change was, in fact, nearly 30 years ago.

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11. The Secret of Al Sexual Harris: Jason Alexander’s Voice Cameo (78:48–82:20)

• In a comedic highlight, the hosts discover “Dinosaurs” character Al Sexual Harris was voiced by none other than Jason Alexander—“Now that, my friend, could win you some kind of a pub trivia. If they have pub trivia in hell.” (80:06)
• A live needle-drop of the character’s innuendo-laden dialogue caps off the episode in classic TBTL fashion.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Luke, on his pizza affair: "I'm looking at my pizza oven and thinking about cheating on it." (19:00)
• Andrew, on recurring dreams: "Most of my dreams are about travel...but there's another category...pooping in public or pooping without as much privacy as you would want." (04:38)
• Luke, on his family’s travel style: "Rick Steves would need to pull over for a little siesta if he was trying to travel with my sister Hannah." (23:21)
• Andrew, on party FOMO: "I don't want a pizza party where the celebrant is thinking about what's going on in the game they're missing." (13:47)
• Luke, on nostalgia: "It is such a fun thing to be in a town, to be in New York, and the hotel has a copy of the Times at the lobby and you grab it..." (54:02)
• Andrew, summing up ‘Overboard’: "He basically enslaves her and takes her because she doesn’t remember...but the plot is problematic." (37:06)
• On "Dinosaurs": "The idea of a TV show based on the idea that a bunch of dinosaurs are living together in 1990s America...That's not scientifically possible. It's like, of course it's not." (68:08)
• Andrew, voicing podcast heroism: "If you're not just absolutely shackled with shame, you're borderline proud." (09:12)
• Luke, on aging: "Are you ready for me to start monitoring how much coal you're using on Christmas Day?" (59:15)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–01:26: Playful cold open/fire sale skit; Friday intro.
• 03:49–09:32: Public pooping and naked-in-public anxiety dreams.
• 10:07–20:48: Weekend plans, pizza party scheduling, and sports conflicts.
• 21:42–25:04: Family travel and study abroad stories.
• 25:04–39:32: Overboard, Captain Ron, nostalgia TV/movie talk.
• 40:24–45:55: The hummingbird–yellowjacket war at Luke’s feeder.
• 50:58–56:09: Newspapers going digital and letting go of print.
• 60:15–70:31: Glasses, “Dinosaurs” TV trivia, environmentalist finales.
• 74:14–77:55: Listener Max on Sleepy Hollow’s true origins.
• 78:48–82:20: The discovery of Jason Alexander voicing Al Sexual Harris; live audio drop; episode sign-off.

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Tone & Personality

The episode is classic TBTL: loose, unpredictable, laced with nostalgia and pop trivia, and punctuated by honest confession and playful ribbing. Both hosts bring warmth, self-deprecation, and genuine curiosity, treating trivialities with importance and the important with a light touch.

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Bottom Line:
This episode is an engaging, quintessential slice of TBTL, with plenty of laughs, gentle self-mockery, and delightful cultural rabbit holes. Longtime listeners will feel right at home, and newcomers will quickly pick up the show’s signature mix of the mundane and the memorable.

Transcript

[A]

First of all, I love it.

[B]

Quick question, though.

[A]

Am I panicked about the fire, or am I being brave for everyone else? The fire, it's. It's a fire sale.

[B]

Oh, Okay.

[A]

I didn't. Well, let's give it a shot.

[B]

Oh, my God. We're having a fire. Oh, the burning, it burns me. Evacuate all the school children. Ah. Oh, man. This isn't a fever. Zingra can't even see where the knob is. End scene.

[A]

Um, would you like to try that a little simpler maybe? No.

[B]

TBTL Guess what day it is. Guess what day it is. It's Friday, Friday Gonna get down on Friday Everybody's looking forward to the weekend.

[A]

Sex, money, power, fire, choking, being dragged behind a speedboat. It's all the same thing.

[B]

Please refrain from scolding us for our approach.

[A]

Our approach is legitimate.

[B]

That was great.

[A]

That was good.

[B]

You went for it. I appreciate that. What's that drop?

[A]

That's like. You're doing a good job, sweetie.

[B]

What you do is so important, sweetie.

[A]

Have a good show. What you do is so important. Well, all right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of tvtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[B]

Well, I guess I just have my first taste of the filthy side of this business.

[A]

My name's Luke Burbank. I'm your host. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio.

[B]

I knew I should have taken that.

[A]

Left toy at Albuquerque, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it rained again last night. What in the Washington is going on around here? It seems to be drying out, though, and seems like a decent weather pattern to present episode 4000, 543 in a collector. Let the fun begin. Some fishermen, fisher people caught and I want to point out, then released. I liked this about these guys. They caught and released an orange shark. A fully orange shark. Holy catfish. They were. The Internet said that these guys were, like, freaking out about this shark they caught, and I thought, ha, ha ha.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

There's only one. There's only one mysterious fish freakout audio that I like to listen to, and I think we all know what that is. It's the guys in Boston seeing a sunfish. We'll play that later, swears and all. Also, I am watching a battle for the ages unfold right in front of my eyes here at the Madrona Hill studio. It's a battle of good versus evil. There are a few of those. Usually life is more nuanced, but not today. It's a battle between hummingbirds, which I love, and yellow jackets. Which I hate. Beads, bees, beads, beads. I don't know what to do about it. I may have to interrupt the show at some point and run out there and just, like, try to spray these bees with, I don't know, a spray or something. Wasp spray. Can you spray yellow? Are yellowjackets bees? Is actually a bigger question. Anyway, we'll talk about it with this guy. Longest running cobra of the show. Oh, he's hilarious. Dog. Who is? Andrew Walsh is his name, and he may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[B]

Good morning. I have not been completely honest with you in the past, Luke, and it was not a deliberate, I guess, mischaracterization on my part. Yeah, but it involves dreams. I told you that most of my dreams are about travel in some way. Either I'm trying to get to a airport or I'm on a plane or I'm driving down a road or like, it's always some sort of, like, it's often some sort of, like, you know, mobility of some sort. But I realized after having a dream this morning that there's another category of dream that I have, and I'm wondering if you look like a dreamcatcher came to life.

[A]

Please continue.

[B]

I'm wondering if you have the same type of dream. We've never talked about this before, but I just had another one this morning. Pooping in public or pooping without as much privacy as you would. As you would want, I realized. So the one that I just had this morning, I was at a party, a very proper party dirs was there. Our friend dirt, he was sitting to my left. Some other people that I didn't know personally, just other. Other partygo were sitting to my right. We were sort of all sitting around in a circle. Most people were sitting on chairs.

[A]

Ders to the left of you, strangers to the right.

[B]

And I was sitting on a toilet. And the toilet was just. It was just like there. And I. And I'm going.

[A]

And I'm going, I have had that dream.

[B]

And then I went a little bit too much, and Ders started making fun of me for almost.

[A]

For almost clogging dream block him.

[B]

For almost clogging the toilet. He's like, you're kind of clogging the toilet there, and you're. Huh? It won't fall flushed down. And then I was like, oh, no. And then I flushed again, and it went all down. And I was good. But, like, Ders was like, totally be, like, kind of clogging the toilet there, aren't you? And. And I was like, man, you know what? This is a dream that I've had before. Something similar. Like, I'm pooping, and I'm not as embarrassed as you would think. In the dream, I'm just kind of. I was embarrassed that I clogged it, but I wasn't that embarrassed that I was just, like, pooping next to these women. I didn't know.

[A]

Did he say season over when you couldn't flush it on the first time?

[B]

He said end of an era.

[A]

I actually, as you were describing it, I have had a version of that dream. And it feels to me like it's one neighborhood over from the dream where I am naked in public.

[B]

Oh, I don't have that.

[A]

And it always. The way that. The way that sort of the information unfolds in the dream or my awareness kind of unfolds is so, like, I don't just, like, I find myself naked in public. It's not like I leave the house in my dream and I'm like, hey, this is one of these days I'm going to go out into public without clothes on. What it is, is I'm in public, I'm living my normal life, and then I realize, oh, my goodness, I don't have any clothes on. And I have to find a way to sneak back home or somewhere where I can get some kind of, you know, T shirt and boxer shorts to put on or whatever. Same thing with the going to number two in public, which is I'm just living the dream is normal life is happening. And then I realize all of a sudden, no, I'm in public and I'm on a toilet.

[B]

So I have had that dream. So you have had that dream. I've ones where I'm like, trying to. Like, I'm in more of a public restroom, but for some reason, the toilet is so tall that I can see over the stall walls. The tall toilet makes me see over the stall walls, if you can sort of picture that. So, like, in a certain way, I'm in a stall, but I'm still on display because, like, basically the top half of my torso is sticking up above the walls and I'm talking to people, or it's a really dirty bathroom sometimes, and I'm having a look, and you got to find a toilet. You're like, I don'. Use this thing. But I got to.

[A]

According to the Internet, dreaming of using a toilet in front of others often symbolizes a need for emotional release or a desire to let go of Your problems.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

While also highlighting feelings of vulnerability, shame, and lack of privacy in waking life. This is my problem with all dream analysis. It's like, no shit, Sherlock. Like, hey, I'm having a dream that you know. Also, I don't know how this would actually indicate that because it sounds like you are letting go of things. You're using the bathroom in public. It symbolizes a need for emotional release or a desire to let go of problems. If I think if you had a dream where you were sitting on a toilet and you couldn't go, that would be. You need to release emotional desires and you can't.

[B]

And you can't.

[A]

But if you've just gone to the bathroom in public and it sounds like you were borderline proud of it.

[B]

I wasn't. No, no. Where is this coming from? Go back to the tape. Never. Did I say anything about the tape? Borderline proud. I said I wasn't embarrass. Well, for you to say it in the dream, I gotta say I wasn't embarrassed because I didn't realize what was going on until it was time to wipe. Now I'm getting too graphic. But that's the truth. In the dream, I'm suddenly like, oh, I gotta wipe in front of all these people. And then that was a little bit weird. And that was weird. And that's how I'm like, oh. And then I have the realization that I'm doing this in front of everybody. And then I go to flush. And then I'm kind of like, oh, no. Also it's not gonna all flush down. It's gonna maybe overflow and then dir's.

[A]

Gonna break it up with a stick.

[B]

Razzing me a little bit about it anyway.

[A]

Well, first of all, Andrew, any time that you're not actively, actively castigating yourself, it moves right to borderline proud.

[B]

There is no middle ground if I'm. If I'm not just like just absolutely shackled with shame.

[A]

You're not self flagellating to mean, Andrew, you've moved right into a little bit cocky.

[B]

Yeah, fair enough.

[A]

Too cocky. That's how. That's how I view your emotional map.

[B]

That's fair.

[A]

But anyway. Well, I appreciate you sharing that dream with us. I have a question for you on this Friday, which is do you have big weekend plans by any chance?

[B]

The biggest one I've ever had.

[A]

Other than that. Do we say voodoo doll anymore?

[B]

No, we don't. I don't think so. I don't think so.

[A]

You know, you were borderline cocky with that response. So I think you might be onto something.

[B]

I remember when the original idea sounds.

[A]

Like the kind of thing you wouldn't say anymore.

[B]

No, I don't think so. I don't think that that is something that is. Has been. Yeah, I don't need to get it. I wanted to say I think it's.

[A]

Other than is there. Is there a replacement Udo?

[B]

No. Just joking. Just to do that you do that.

[A]

Udo that you do when you do do in public.

[B]

Why do I feel like that wasn't treating a certain people with respect? I don't. I. I don't know. In what way do you want to. You're not talking about the dolls. You're just talking about a certain kind of magic, a certain kind of a.

[A]

I was talking about the doll. I was. Other than a doll that you possess that looks like a Cleveland guardian that you poke pins in. The point of that incredible aside was just to say, other than rooting hard for the Mariners this weekend, do you have any other weekend plans? And that's, by the way, sufficient. If you're just rooting hard for the Mariners, that's enough for me.

[B]

Well, this is interesting. So I have a couple of parties to go to. I'm gonna check in. The end of summer party.

[A]

Calm down.

[B]

I know. And Saturday that I'm looking forward to. I got some recording to do on Saturday with fun Hannah. But then this is kind of an interesting development actually. We have a mutual friend. I'm going to leave their name out of this, but somebody that I mentioned on the show from time to time. Good mutual friend of both of ours is having a birthday party on Sunday evening and she gave us a heads up about this a long time ago. I think there's a party of maybe about. I want to say, like, Maybe there's like 12 of us or something and it was going to be a couple or maybe still will be like kind of a classic pizza party. She rented a party room and I'm looking to see where it was, but in a local pizza chain kind of place. And it's. It was a pizza chain. I'm on a text chain right now that the subject is pizza party. So how fun is that? I love. I like pizza a lot. I really do. Like, I'm a big fan of pizza. It might be my favorite kind of pizza. It might be my favorite kind of food is what I meant to say.

[A]

Be careful.

[B]

But I feel like a pizza party is something special. Yes, there's eating pizza, which is one thing, but then a pizza Party indicates something else.

[A]

There better be a special tablecloth involved. I feel like you need to walk into this room and it needs to.

[B]

Have a special tablecloth and maybe some party hats. But anyway, so our friend had set up for herself for her own birthday a party for us at Round Table Pizza. We got a reservation for 14 people Sunday evening, which I was looking forward to. But I gotta note one of those.

[A]

Roundtables with the Treehouse kids zone in it. When I lived in Bellingham, Washington, the Bay City, I got on a real round table pizza habit for a while. And. And they. The one that was near where we lived also had this, like. It was not like a Chuck E. Cheese level of kid stuff, but it definitely had some Papa Shot. It had a. It had, like, a larger arcade than just, like, a couple of video games. And it's so fun. I could just see, like, having some pizza and playing some Papa Shot. That sounds wonderful.

[B]

Yes, Very much looking forward to it. But there came to be a. And this is late breaking news in my life and in my friend circle. This friend, whose birthday it is, is also a huge sport. Oh, my God. Can I get through one sentence? She's a huge sports fan, and she's a huge Sounders fan. And there's a huge Sounders game because the Sounders won last night. Or is that Wednesday night? Maybe the Sounders won and now Lionel Messi is coming to town for some sort of playoff thing.

[A]

Oh, some messy, Messy fever or something.

[B]

Yeah, there's messy fever. And so our friend sent a note to the text gang. You know, she's arranged this whole thing. It's been weeks, if not months in the making and just saying, listen, it's my birthday. I hate to do this to everybody, but I really kind of don't want to miss this game. Could I possibly make this an afternoon pizza party? And me and some other people are saying, unfortunately, we can't make the afternoon. I have got my usual Sunday gig or whatever, and other people have other stuff going on. Having said that, it is so important to me to try to encourage this person. I'm not trying to get out of this party. I'm looking forward to the pizza party. But I want, as somebody, as I said in the text chain, as somebody who would miss my own cat's bris over a meaningless June Mariners game, I really want to encourage this person to follow their heart and watch. I don't want a pizza party where the celebrant is thinking about what's going on in the game that they're missing. That sounds awful to me.

[A]

Can they get the Sounders game on the TV in the kid zone at the round table?

[B]

Now that's a question that could.

[A]

Now that, my friend, is No, I mean, that would make. How about a pizza and Sounders watching party at the round table? That sounds amazing.

[B]

Maybe that and I don't know if this. I don't know if this person would hear this conversation or not, but maybe that's an idea. But I'm thinking that they're gonna maybe move the party noontime and I'm going to probably end up missing it. But for me, just as somebody who, like, cares about sports too much, it just really bothers me to think that, like, oh, well, it's too hard to move this party, so we'll just go ahead with it. Because that sounds miserable to me. Like, if you care about this, and this is as big of a game as it sounds like it's shaping up to be, like, I don't know, man. Just like, watch the game. We'll celebrate you any other time.

[A]

I'm. If I sound distracted, it's because I've been reaching out to PETA and other organizations to report you for circumcising your cat.

[B]

Oh. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's. It's a religious thing.

[A]

Not in my book, my friend actually does not. Not in the version of the Torah that I read.

[B]

When they find out what I actually did to my cat's junk, they're gonna probably have more of a problem with that. Actually, a bris would probably be preferential to bingo.

[A]

Actually, I. It's very, It's. It is amazing. How is the word evocative? How, like when you just said the words round table pizza, the, the pleasure centers in my brain that lit up and now here's the thing. You know, me, I've become a kind of a home pizza guy. Here I've been making my own pizza, which has been really fun, and I've been getting into it. I've been making my own pizza dough. I just did it the other night. So I'll make a big batch of pizza dough and then I'll freeze some of it. What I really love, what makes me feel like a real baker, is cutting the dough up into sections, you know what I mean? Into those little like kind of a fist size square of dough that you. Then that's gonna become one pizza dough. You put it, you know, you cover it with a towel and you let.

[B]

It rise and it's kind of a square.

[A]

It's A square, basically. Like you make this big dough ball and then you kind of knead it out by hand, but you haven't rolled it out with the rolling pin yet. And so it's not, it's not, it's not pizza shaped. It's kind of almost like a, like a loaf of bread or something that's uncooked. It's more like that. And then you're going to divide it into four sections and each one of those sections is eventually going to become one pizza dough. And so you just cut it. Like I actually have this, you know, one of those, like it's got like a handle and then just like a flat blade. It's not very sharp.

[B]

Oh yeah. Does it rock? Is it a rocker blade?

[A]

It doesn't rock.

[B]

Oh, that's, that's what, you know, what I'm thinking of is more of the one the pizza's done.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Like one of those things. You also like, you feel like you could be in Conan the Destroyer with it, right. Or maybe the movie Crawl. It seems like it's like a weapon from some other, you know, time span. No, this one, it's just what it is is I've just seen so many videos and things of people baking and I feel like when you're doing real baking, there's sometimes a point if you're going to cook the dough in sections where you divide it up and for some reason that the act of, the act of, of dividing it into these four of these four sections, which again end up being kind of more squarish than anything, I guess, or maybe triangular. And then you put them, you wrap those in cellophane, you cover them with a towel and you put them in a warm place and a half hour later they have like they've risen and they're now ready. They're ready to be, you know, turned into a pizza anyway. All that is very satisfying and I'm really enjoying it. But I'll be honest, it's a different taste experience than a good old fashioned.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Round ass table pizza, which is just like, we've talked about this a lot on the show. There's like, there's high quality pizza, there's low quality pizza, there's in between. I don't think round table pizza is low quality, by the way. It's just different. It's not artisanal, it's not from a wood fired oven. It's not going to be, you know, it's not going to be something that people are going to go on and on. About the, the sort of like, culinary pedigree of. But it is so, so good sometimes. And I don't live anywhere near a round table here. In fact, I don't know if I've had round table since I moved out of Bellingham. And I may have to go. I may have to find the closest round table pizza.

[B]

It just happened, huh? Now I've.

[A]

Yeah, but this is the thing that's so messed up, Andrew. I'm also looking at my ooni pizza oven.

[B]

Oh, right.

[A]

It's like I'm looking at my pizza oven and thinking about cheating on it.

[B]

But it is. I mean, listen, it is different. Like, I want to defend your desire to go to a pizza shop. Like, I just before, like, there's eating pizza, which is a wonderful experience, but then there's also a pizza party, which is a different experience, which is even better. Like, just because you're into making. I mean, you make salads at home too, but every now and then you're going to go out to eat and you're going to get a really good salad.

[A]

But I'm never looking at my salad spinner when I make the decision. That's what feels so wrong.

[B]

You're staring at it right now.

[A]

I am. Because one of the things I said to my dad was, hey, maybe I can break out the pizza oven and we can, we can make a pizza. Now the problem also with that, and this is an argument for going round table on it, I mentioned it to my mom and my dad. My mom's now headed back home. But like, I was like, I've got this pizza oven. I'm really excited about it. I'm kind of proud of these pizzas that I'm making, or at least they seem. You know, they're in the neighborhood of being an edible pizza. And they're like, oh yeah, like the ones that Josh made. You know, my brother in law.

[B]

Oh, well, he's a gourmand, right?

[A]

He is a gourmand. And I forgot about this. So, you know, he and my sister have that restaurant, Pollo Bravo in Portland. But then at their house, he has got like a really professional pizza oven, like more robust than the one that I have. And he is an incredible chef and an incredible baker. And anything that Josh makes is usually like, probably the best version of that thing that I've had. So we had a pizza party at their house, I don't know, a few months ago. And he just made like pizza after pizza after pizza. And like, honestly, each one was one of the Best bites of pizza I've ever had in my life. So that's the baseline within my family for home cooked pizza, which it. It feels like the bar is pretty high, which is a reason why maybe I just go to a round table.

[B]

Now, I'm trying to solve this for you, which is a very annoyingly male trait to try to solve a problem for somebody when they didn't ask for this help. But no, I'm. I'm asking, you know, Yakima. Are you willing to drive three hours to Yakima? That might be the closest. Or you're going to go to this.

[A]

There's one in Hazeldale.

[B]

Where's Hazel Dell?

[A]

Hazel Dell is. It's the gateway to Minnehaha. Andrew, don't make me explain this to you. No, Hazel Dell is south of me on Interstate 5 before you get to the city of Vancouver, Washington. Hazel Dell, Andrew is. It's in the. It's in the in and out district. It's not too far from where that new in and out has gone in.

[B]

Oh, okay. It's a bustling area. I'm wondering if I'm according to in and out because. Or I'm sorry if I'm not saying these roundtables because it's just giving me a bunch of Seattle locations based on probably. Why is it giving me Yakima, though? Maybe it just knows I'm a Yakima dude.

[A]

It does. Yeah. So my big weekend plans, aside from deciding whether or not I should go get roundtable pizza from Hazeldale, is. We are all the family. The family burbs. We are converging over at my sister Hannah's place because my niece Maddie is going away. She's doing a. Like a semester or a year abroad in school. Yeah. Right, Aaron. Go, brah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

That's Gaelic. Oh, that's also Gaelic. That was a joke. Because I don't know how to say anything in Scottish other than do, like, a groundskeeper Willie impression, which I think is probably culturally hurtful. Do we say groundskeeper Willie anymore? We're getting together to wish Maddie a bon voyage. Another classic Scottish saying. Because she's going to be studying in Edinburgh for the next year or so, which is really exciting for her. So we're going to get the fam together on Sunday, which will be. It's always fun to get to see my sibs and my. Oh, my God.

[B]

Can I ask a personal question, please, about the traveling abroad thing? Sure. That was not something that I ever did. I knew people did that. And first of all, I can't believe that. I mean, this is just such a cliche thing to say, but first of all, I can't believe Maddie is old enough to just be going abroad for a semester.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I don't know if I've ever met her.

[A]

She's been on this show. She and Mary and my niece. Sorry. Yeah.

[B]

But anyway. But how are the folks? I mean, obviously, probably very excited about this journey, but it must be a huge thing as a parent to see your kid go off for. For that distance for that amount of time.

[A]

You know, I will ask Hannah on Sunday how she's feeling. I mean, I think here's one thing, which is that they have traveled as a family so extensively internationally. Like, more particularly to Europe. Like, more than any family that I know, which is funny, because we did not grow up. We were not a family who ever went to Europe growing up. That was not in the cards. But, like, Hannah and Chris and their kids are, like. They've been to, like, Scotland and England, like, multiple times. They've been all over Europe, and they're. I will say this, and Hannah will hear this because she's a listener and supporter of the show, but the pace of. How do I put it? Rick Steves would need to pull over for a little siesta if he was trying to travel with my sister Hannah. The Instagram feed of their trips abroad of the amount of things that they see on a given day is just absolutely staggering. The four of them cover so much ground and they have seen so much. So one thing is, I have a feeling that Maddie kind of knows her way around Scotland and knows her way around an international flight and that sort of thing. So that probably lowers the anxiety a little, but, yeah, it's probably for. And the other thing is, I think that my sister Hannah, part of the whole point of taking her kids on so much travel was to raise people who were adventurous about the world.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So I guess this is, like, this is sort of proof of concept of that. But. But, yeah, I'll ask her about that because, you know, it is pretty far away. But again, it's just very exciting. I've never been to the Edinburgh Fringe Fest myself, and maybe this would be an excuse. Maybe Becca and I go over there and visit her and go see some edgy comedy in Scotland.

[B]

Isn't it amazing how quickly cultural phenomenon flit out of our minds? What was the show that you and I were obsessed with about the man who Had a Stalker?

[A]

Baby reindeer.

[B]

Baby reindeer. I would have never Gotten to that name. I feel like that was just like that. Doesn't that feel like a lifetime ago that we're all like, yeah, we were following like the real life story of it. And apparently the woman that it was based on was doing a kind of a talk show circuit or at least was on. Who's the famous British talk show guy? Whatever. She was on his show. Graham. No, that's the wrong guy.

[A]

Well, Graham Norton, I think, does a little more puff stuff. Oh, it was. It. No, it was. It was the other guy. The guy that's kind of a pain in the ass. Piers Morgan.

[B]

Yeah, I think it was Piers Morgan.

[A]

But anyway, that seems like a Piers Morgan interview.

[B]

It felt like at the time I was like, I can't get enough of this. And now it's like, what was that show? And the guy was in the Fringe Festival and I could barely.

[A]

Was that during the pandemic?

[B]

I feel like it was post pandemic. I feel like I was in this house. I feel like it was only like a year ago. Luke. Same with Saltburn. Did you watch Saltburn?

[A]

I didn't.

[B]

I feel like that was sort of the same kind of era. Or maybe I'm just. Maybe I'm just grouping them together in my head.

[A]

I'm looking right now. Baby reindeer, Andrew.

[B]

A year ago, maybe last summer, 2024. Okay.

[A]

Does that mean. Did I watch that? I would. That would mean that I watched it here at my house. What in the. What in the reverse baby reindeer is going on here, Andrew. That's. That never happens. I always think stuff was last year and it was 10 years ago, and this is the exact opposite.

[B]

There's something about those two shows too. Maybe.

[A]

How's that possible?

[B]

Maybe I'm grouping them together because, like, there's no expectation for a second season of them. It's just like it's own. More like miniseries. I gu. Like back in the day, right? Like the network television.

[A]

That's wild. So that would mean that I watched that. I would have said Andrew much like. Much like Kevin Costner sliding down the stairs in the Untouchables, famously under the baby carriage. I would have said at a minimum or at. At the very least. I watched baby reindeer at my old place in Portland, without a doubt. Like, there's no way baby reindeer was observed here at the house in Southern Washington. But there's no way for that to be the case. That does not check out. I watched it here. That's crazy. I cannot place myself mentally on my couch here, looking at the screen While Baby Reindeer is playing. I cannot for some reason.

[B]

That's crazy making, isn't it?

[A]

It is. It kind of is, like a little bit. Are you gaslighting me here? Did you hack into Wikipedia and change the release date of Baby Reindeer?

[B]

Because, you know, I have a terrible memory. But one thing that I've said to you before is I have a decent memory of, of where I was when I've heard something or sometimes when I show. Because often, yes, more and more I'm like, I was texting you from the shower. I got to be careful. One of these days you're going to get a picture that you're not, or.

[A]

I worry you're going to get electrocuted. I do feel like in the last.

[B]

Week, it's a toaster and a phone.

[A]

That sounds like a Mr. Show sketch. It's just a phone taped to a toaster, but it's the bathroom phone for some reason. Like, I do feel like in the last week you mentioned, I mean, this is probably off air, so I don't mean to bring it on air, but like, I think you, you mentioned about responding to something and you said, either. Oh, I was watching that in the show.

[B]

I was looking at Turd Ferguson's stats in the shower. I told you.

[A]

Right, right. Because I was complaining about a Mariner's picture and you were trying to confirm what the backstory was. And then the next day we were discussing off air and you sort of mentioned casually, well, I was trying to look it up in the shower. And then I think on the show you mentioned something that you listen to and you're like, well, I'm probably in the shower when I listen to that. And I thought a lot of the content that you're consuming seems to be whilst in the shower.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. These phones are not, you know, I'm not going to dunk them underwater or I'm not going to.

[A]

I've done that. I've dropped my phone in the hot tub, by the way.

[B]

Have you? And it's probably fine. Right? You just got to get it out. I mean, these days, I mean, you want to get it out right away, but in the old days, you'd pack it up in rice. You'd be writing a letter to your priest and your congressperson for some reason or whatever. And now remember like, like 10 years ago, they had Lil Wayne in that super bowl commercial walking through a store pouring champagne on his phone. Do you remember that? To prove that it was water resistant. So, yeah, no, I Just prop. I have a perfect little shelf in my crappy little shower, and I prop my phone up, and by the virtue of it kind of like being propped up, it also sort of amplifies the speaker sound a little bit of shoots the sound up. It's great. It's where I listen to a lot of podcasts. But the problem is, sometimes I'm just in there, my mind wanders, and I'm like, oh, did I set my fantasy light on up? So then I grab my phone, and then I'm, you know, setting my fantasy lineup in the shower. But then I might get a text message, and then I might respond, and then I'm like, oh, now I'm. Now I'm. Now I'm just texting Luke in the. In the buff.

[A]

I like it. I also wonder how the rice industry is doing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now that we don't have to put cell phones in rice.

[B]

Right, Exactly.

[A]

Before I got a rice cooker, which I do have now and I do use pretty often, actually. Before I had that rice cooker, the only reason I even had rice around rice in my home was in case I dropped my cell phone in something.

[B]

It wasn't in the kitchen. It was in your electronics closet.

[A]

Exactly. Like, it was purely for the purpose of. Yeah, no, I dropped my cell phone. I knocked it into the hot tub here. And I'll tell you, I didn't even stress. I did pull it out very quickly, but I didn't do. That thing was like, ah, no. Oh, my God. Like, I just was like, I think this thing's pretty waterproof now. And it sure was. Now, I'll tell you what it still does respond poorly to. And I've learned this the hard way is do you know how. So sometimes when I'm plugged, trying to plug my stupid. I have the last iPhone that uses. I think it might be called a lightning port. It doesn't use, like, USB C, which is what your phone uses, presumably, which is the superior technology and the standard. Now I have the last one that doesn't use that. And sometimes you'll put that thing in there, and it does not seem like it's charging.

[B]

And.

[A]

And. And you. I'll turn it over and do it the other way and I'll think I'll go like, well, wait a minute. Is the cable. Is the cord actually sending a charge? And because of the way it's designed, you can lick it and you get that very faint battery. It's not as much as, like, a. What was that?

[B]

A.

[A]

A D battery. What Was the one that had the two oh, nine.

[B]

The battery that you could.

[A]

Is that what that was?

[B]

The battery one.

[A]

The square one?

[B]

Yeah. Rectangle. Yeah.

[A]

It's not as. As much of a charge as that would be, but it's. It's. It's a. It's faint, but it's noticeable that something is. That electricity is passing through the lightning bolt cable. But the problem is. And this is what I always forget because usually this is a crisis. I'm like in a rental car. I'm map. I'm GPSing something, going to a shoot, and I'm like, late and I can't. And my phone is dying and it's not. It won't charge with the thing. So I lick it and I'm like, wait, it's getting power. And then I plug it into the phone and then the phone shuts me down. The phone says, says moisture detected in the port. And you're not allowed to charge now for a long time. And then even if you take it out and you dry everything off and you blow into it like a Nintendo cartridge, still would just like, it puts you on timeout. Yes, it does put you on timeout. I don't like it.

[B]

Mine will do that sometimes too. Although my old phone did that. I haven't gotten that with my new one. But again, that is a risk of taking it in the shower. But it's like in a dry part of the shower. It's mostly fine. Again, this is pretty rugged. But you know what that reminds me of? I have a life update that is relevant to your interest that I did not share with you yet, and that is that I finally watched the movie Captain Ron. I'm thinking about that because there's a scene where he goes downstairs. I don't know how well you remember that movie, but there's a lot of.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

There's a lot. I. For some reason, you really wanted me to see that movie. Or you liked it. Or you were.

[A]

I've never seen the movie Captain Ron.

[B]

What?

[A]

I'm also the person who thought baby reindeer came out 10 years ago, but I.

[B]

Because I like the movie Overboard with that, which has Kurt Russell. And I thought that you were like, oh, well, you. You'll love Captain Ron. Didn't we have a whole spoof about Captain Ron? I thought it was because I think.

[A]

We'Ve talked about Captain Ron a lot on the show, but I don't think. I hope I'm not proving myself to be a liar in two ways, because what this would mean is If I said I've never seen Captain Ron, and then we go back to the tape and not only did we talk about Captain Ron, but I lied and said I had seen it, this would be a really bad way for me to expose myself in that manner to the listeners.

[B]

I don't think you would. You wouldn't lie about seeing. I must have just remembered. I must have misremembered the dialogue around it. I do feel like you and I went on a whole Captain Ron thing for a while and you were rebooted. Oh, it did.

[A]

Now that I thought that was what Captain Ron reboot. I thought that there was an updated version. I thought. Or maybe. Maybe there's an updated version of Overboard.

[B]

Yes. Somebody. John Skaroff told us that when we were in Wisconsin that they remade Overboard. I think that had Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell. This one is Kurt Russell, Martin Short, and Mary Kay Place, who I did not know that name, but she steals the show. She plays Martin Short's wife. And I will say, I think I've come up. So anyway, there's a scene where he goes to plug something in. Captain Ronda is Kurt Russell's character, and he's just kind of like, you know, he's like this kind of rough around the edges, kind of like friendly kind of, but aloof guy who everybody kind of likes except for Martin Short, who hates him and he's jealous of him. And Martin Short's wife has a. Has a bit of a. You know, she and Kurt Russell are dancing. She and Captain Ron are dancing. There's some jealousy issues going on and all this, but at one point, Captain Ron licks. Licks a extension cord or something. Like he licks the plug and then plugs it in on the boat. And it gave me such a bad feeling, like I did not like. Even though there's no electricity going through that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know why you would lick it, but I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all.

[A]

Now, you know who did the film soundtrack for that was Alan Silvestri. Of course, our favorite is that the.

[B]

Person that just came up the other day for Overboard.

[A]

I'm reading the Overboard synopsis now, and like. Like one of the first things they tell you on Wikipedia is that the film soundtrack was composed. Composed by Alan Silvestri.

[B]

And this is the person you just told me about who's like the plan.

[A]

Of the cave bear.

[B]

Okay, interesting.

[A]

And Roger Rabbit. This is quickly becoming an Alvin Silvestri appreciation.

[B]

Wow. I guess so.

[A]

But also On Overboard. Okay, now we're not talking Captain Ron. We're talking Overboard. He is not a. I'm asking reading this. He is not the captain of this ship. Goldie Hawn is a snobbish socialite accustomed to a life of luxury alongside her husband. While waiting for her yacht to be repaired in the fictional village of Elk Cove, set in Tillamook County, Oregon. By the way, she hires carpenter Dean Profit, a widower with four sons, to remodel her closet. Dean produces quality work, which he dismisses. I guess my point was there seemed to be a period of time where every movie had a kind of a rough and tumble, but hunky Kurt Russell doing some kind of blue collar work on a boat.

[B]

On a boat, yeah. And now Overboard. It definitely starts off on a boat. And then she literally goes overboard. But then most of the movie is he basically. And this is where the movie is. I love the movie Overboard. I love how much Genevieve loves the movie Overboard. So I love watching it with her. But the plot is problematic in that she basically. She's terrible, okay? She's a terrible person. She's a rich snob. She talks down to him. He's just like an affable. That's the word I was looking for for Captain Ron as well. He's rough and tumble, but very affable. And same with Overboard, his character. He comes on, he's building this great walk in closet for her, for all of her shoes or whatever, and she's a jerk and classist and talking down to him. But then at some point, I think she gets bonked on the head and literally goes overboard or something like that. And so she forgets who she is. And so then he's.

[A]

But according to Wikipedia, she is taken to the hospital suffering amnesia, although her arrogant personality remains unchanged.

[B]

That's right. She's still a little bit. She's still kind of a jerk. And then he just says, oh, you don't remember who you are? Well, you're my wife. You don't remember that. So he basically enslaves her and takes her because she doesn't remember, and he takes her back to his hovel, right, where he lives with these four kids. And it's just so dirty. And it's like the complete opposite of the lifestyle that she knows. But the thing is, she doesn't remember her old lifestyle. She just knows that she does not like being this guy's wife. I think there's one scene where it's kind of like, oh, they're starting to warm up. Towards each other and are they going to consummate this in some way? And I do believe he backs out of that or somehow distance himself because that would be a real problem. Right. Like I feel like even for the 80s, you're like, that's. You can't do that. Somebody who doesn't know who they are.

[A]

I think you're right. But I'm. I'm actually sort of pleasantly surprised that there was a such a line, you know, low as that bar is. You're right. Even in the 80s, I think for, I mean just practically every movie that you go back and watch, it's like, oh no, why?

[B]

But even then Girl in the Trunk, isn't there a whole movie like Driving without a license or license to drive or something like that and there's a teenage girl in the trunk for half of it. Do you have any idea?

[A]

It's weird. I was just having. I think Becca and I were just having a license to drive conversation the other day about the Coreys where we have. You and I. Were we having it where we were trying to remember the COVID of the VHS tape? Or maybe that was just Becca and I talking because I was like, I know there's a dangling. I go, it's either an earring on Corey Haim or it's keys. There's something dangling. I'm getting dangling. And then we looked it up and sure enough, he's holding.

[B]

Is he holding a license up?

[A]

He's holding the key on his finger and like it's like that's what's weird about memory is like if you woke me out of a sleep and you said license to drive VHS cover, I would go, something dangles.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

Something's dangling. There's something dangly happening. And then we looked it up and thankfully that was the case. But anyway, yeah, that's. I think even in that era, even in Those go go 80s where. Where just about anything was allowed to be committed to celluloid in terms of consent and things like that. Even they would say if a person has amnesia and they don't know who they are, you are not allowed to sleep with them.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Seems like a very, very low bar for human behavior, but I'm glad it exists.

[B]

They cleared it. Exactly. Anyway, she ends up kind of like as you would guess, sort of easing into that lifestyle and ends up sort of owning it. And then eventually I think does get. Get her memory back. But I don't want to spoil it obviously for anybody, but yeah, I don't know exactly how we got on the. Did you have a point about overboard aside from the cataron licking cables?

[A]

Just that I. Just that I was licking my. My iPhone plug in the other day and. And then got shut down from my phone. Speaking of licking things, Andrew, we've got to hell of a transition. We do have to thank the donors. But I need to tell you quickly that I am, I am watching. This doesn't have. When I said speaking of licking things, the next sentence wasn't supposed to involve the word donor.

[B]

I was really wondering.

[A]

That's unrelated. Okay, let's just rewind that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Speaking of licking things, Andrew, I am watching a battle for the ages unfold at the hummingbird feeder that's hanging from the corner of my house out there, which I just this morning put brand new hot water and sugar in for the hummingbirds. But here is the big problem. This has been going on for the last week. It's yellowjacket season out here. I don't know what's going on at your house.

[B]

House.

[A]

If you're getting an uptick in yellow jackets. Also, do you consider. Do you consider Yellowjacket to be a B? If I say B, what are you. If you're thinking bees. Beads.

[B]

Beads.

[A]

If I say bee, do you think honeybee?

[B]

I just think of all of that stuff. I'm pretty broad when it comes to that. Same with like monkeys. Genevieve gets mad when I call everything a monkey and it's an ape or a whatever and I'm like, I don't know, they're all monkeys.

[A]

So these are yellow jackets. I feel like I don't want to besmirch the good name of honeybees, which are productive and they're helpful. But what these friggin yellow jackets figured out is that this hummingbird feeder is just an absolute oasis of, of. Of sucrose of sugar. And so I. This is. This has not happened all summer until a few days ago. And what, what happens now is there is a, A probably five to eight yellow jackets that are drinking out of the hummingbird feeder. Like a hummingbird. Just quoted Jeff Tweedy. Like a hummingbird. And I'm watching hummingbirds fly up and then notice that there's like five yellow jackets and then back up and then do a lap and then come back and then try to find a moment where there's a fewer yellow jackets and then quickly have a drink and then leave.

[B]

Leave.

[A]

Are yellow jackets a threat to hummingbirds? Which are famously aggressive birds, I've learned. Yeah, like they're mean to each other. You think but are they afraid of a yellow jacket sting? Like, the hummingbirds right now are definitely being affected by the presence of the yellow jackets.

[B]

That's it. Well, okay, now here's the deal. So we have hummingbirds. Genevieve has a lot of feeders around here. And so when Veeves and I are outside playing cards, just a couple of nights ago, one of these aggressive hummingbirds was kind of, like, buzzing right in my face, and I was kind of like, dude, I'm nowhere near your feet. I don't know if it was a friendly thing or not, but it felt aggressive. It was kind of like hovering. And I'm just like, dude, I'm not going for your sugar. It's right up there. Grab it. Right? However, they could all. I'm also scared of yellow jackets. And a hummingbird might look at me and be like, how could such a huge beast. That's me in this case, be scared of a tiny, tiny little yellow jacket? And so maybe in the same way these aggressive hummingbirds are scared of bees and yellowjackets. I mean, it's reasonable. They're scary things.

[A]

I mean, I guess the point of a yellow jacket being able to sting something is personal defense. Like, do yellow jackets. Like, is the. Is the. Is the stinging thing so that yellow jackets. Because. Because it's so that they can. Can they sting and paralyze and eat a small insect? It seems like they couldn't kill a hummingbird with their sting. But in other words, is the sting there so that things like hummingbirds don't mess with them?

[B]

I'm looking up. Can a yellow jacket sting a hummingbird? And for some reason, I think I'm gonna get an AI Image of a hummingbird praying over a yellow jacket and IRA glass.

[A]

Somebody make that.

[B]

Doesn't that sort of sound like. As I'm typing it, get a yellow jacket, stick a hummingbird. I feel like I'm about to get some AI Making slop.

[A]

You are making sloppy.

[B]

Oh, look at this. Now, this is a. This could be AI Slop. For real. This is the. The response from the Google AI Overview. It says, yes, a yellowjacket can sting and even kill a hummingbird. What? And while hummingbirds generally avoid large wasps, they can become aggressive at hummingbird feeders posing a similar.

[A]

Oh, my God, look at this. This is happening. I'm reading the same thing you're reading. This is crazy.

[B]

Now, that's the AI Overview. So I'm looking for something a little bit more substantial, special. Let's see here.

[A]

How about perky pet.com would you believe that?

[B]

Of course I would.

[A]

The birds and the bees battling bugs at hummingbird feeders. And there's a photo of, like, a hummingbird VB versus a bee.

[B]

Whoa. So this is like, a real thing. This is what you've just sort of witnessed. Oh, there's Perky pet. I'm on it. What you've witnessed and just sort of have been sort of like, I guess sort of observing really is a phenomenon that has.

[A]

Ink has been spilled and they're like, @perkypet.com and they're showing wasps at hummingbird feeders. And they're showing basically the hummingbird feeder that I'm looking at right now, and it shows it. I don't have this many wasps on it.

[B]

Oh, God, that's awful.

[A]

But, oh, my God, Andrew. I just watched it happen in real time. Just right now, a freaking yellow jacket is over there sipping on that sweet, sweet nectar. And then a giant. A hummingbird comes over, gets right up to that little area where the wasp is, and then just turned tail and flew away as the wasp or the yellow jacket started to fly towards it and then went back to the hummingbird feeder. These hummingbirds are fully being menaced by these wasps. And it ends today after the show. How does it end, Andrew? I don't really know because I can't spray down the hummingbird feeder with, like, wasp spray. What I could do is put up one of those wasp traps near the hummingbird feeder that has that little pheromone that they go so crazy for. But then that raises the question, what will they go more crazy for? For the pheromone in the wasp trap or the nectar coming out of the hummingbird feeder?

[B]

It does say that's the very first thing that Perky Pet.com recommends is capture the wasps by setting up a wasp trap that will focus their attention away from the feeder. By the way, a little bit of bad news here. I guess it depends on how you view these things. But I believe Perky Pet.com has stopped publishing the print edition or is going to soon. Oh, yeah, it's Another One Bites the Dust sort of.

[A]

God. Like, what are they? The Atlanta Journal Constitution? Oh, you know what? We should talk about that in a minute. It too. Maybe these donors know what to do, Andrew, about wasp intrusion on your hummingbird feeder. Maybe Joe Fulcher of Redmond, Washington, has battled this before and been victorious. By the way, these donors are keeping TBTL going. These are people that. That are voluntarily donating money every month and keeping this as a. As A going concern. This is 100% listener supported podcasting.

[B]

Can I get clarification on something? So when you said the listeners might have information on this, if Joe or any of these donors today do have info on this, you want them to write into you and explain how to handle the birds and the bees?

[A]

Yes, I want them actually to come over and show me. Okay.

[B]

Okay, sounds good. Oh, with that setup, who's next?

[A]

It's Leah Chiarelli.

[B]

Sorry, Leah.

[A]

Childhood friend of mine, Andrew. Cannot overstate this shoreline, Washington.

[B]

Leah. Thank you.

[A]

We love Leah. Yeah, Leah and I went to preschool together at Haller Lake Preschool and then reconnected years and years later. She works for PNB and has been an amazing friend and supporter of the show. Thanks, Leah. Appreciate you. You also, it's Rachel and Matt Howell of Baroom Field, Colorado. I feel like Rachel either just emailed the show or I was Instagramming with Rachel. I was just connecting with the concept of Rachel Howell. The concept of the concept of Rachel Howell was primary in my mind this week for one reason or another. Thank you, Rachel and Matt. Thanks also to Carl Noram buena of Issaquah, WA 10.

[B]

Very nice name, by the way. I've never heard that name before, Norm Buena.

[A]

You have? When I've read it in years past.

[B]

Oh, well, I mean, aside from that.

[A]

Right out of the context of Carl paying exactly. Our very salaries.

[B]

Exactly. Thank you, boss.

[A]

Love you, Carl. Also love Joseph. I'm gonna go with Toll of Rockville, Maryland.

[B]

Oh, do Go back to Rockville, as I always say.

[A]

Is that a B52 song?

[B]

There isn't. I was gonna say REM. Is it an RM song or. Or do they cover it? No, I think it's an RM original. Don't Go back to Rockville.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

That doesn't ring a bell to you at all?

[A]

It doesn't.

[B]

I want to sing it, but then I don't think I should.

[A]

If it's not off of Green or Automatic for the people, I feel like it's a blind spot for me.

[B]

Okay, I'm gonna see what a. I feel like you would know it, but I don't want to sing it. I don't trust myself to sing it. But I also don't know, is this gonna get us in trouble? It's such a beautiful, sweet little song. Oh, you know what it is from? It's like from Murmur, it looks like. Oh, yeah, that's a little bit early for you.

[A]

Before my time.

[B]

Can I just try needle dropping this here night?

[A]

Rockville deserves a Quiet. That's the song, right?

[B]

Yeah. Just ring a bell at all.

[A]

Is this the train conductor says song?

[B]

Oh, no. That's a good one, though, too. Wait, no, wait. Maybe it is.

[A]

Can't drink it, is there?

[B]

No, that's Driver A. That's Driver A. Oh, okay.

[A]

Okay. Wait, can you play? I guess we don't want to get pulled down in Romania. I do like this song, though.

[B]

Yeah, I think you would. I think we're getting there.

[A]

Welcome to an empty house Sit around.

[B]

It's too late now we just got to push through.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Don't go back to my.

[A]

Wow. I like it.

[B]

You like it, but it doesn't ring a bell for you, huh?

[A]

No. If there's a sweeter sound than Peter Buck in a banjo.

[B]

I love Peter Buck.

[A]

I love Gail Kenny of New York, New York.

[B]

Oh, they named it twice.

[A]

They sure did. That's how nice it was. That's how nice Gail Kenny is. Thank you, Gail, for supporting the show. Thank you, Gail. Thank you to all of our donors today for supporting tbtl. We could not do this without you.

[B]

Hello and welcome to Top Stories.

[A]

All right. Just to kind of, you know, I guess, clear out the. Clear out the top stories for the week here on this Friday. I will mention that the Atlanta Journal Constitution has announced that they are going to cease all print production by the end of 2025. So December 31st of 2025 will be the last day that they put out any, any newsprint. And the reason that it's notable is because they're one of the first really big city papers to go absolutely zero print, print. You've got a lot of other cities that have kind of modified. They're not doing it seven days a week, or maybe they're just doing Sundays, but there's still some sort of. There you can physically get a copy of the New York Times or the Seattle Times at some point during the week. And this is a huge. This is seen as a big thing because it's a paper just saying it's a major paper that's still doing okay. That's not like in complete free fall. Or at least it's not, you know, kind of like for the. The Seattle PI has done this. But peace and love to the Seattle.

[B]

PI it's like, I was going to ask you about that. I was going to ask you how you feel like that fits in, because they definitely went paperless like a long time ago. But then also their web presence and their whole. Is this what you were going to say? Their whole, like Sort of news gathering operation sort of crumbled.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, it seems like what happened with the PI was they went into a sort of a death spiral. And then. Well, I'll say this. What the Atlanta Journal Constitution says they're trying to do is avoid what happened to the Seattle PI. Like, they're trying to transition to all digital before they have to lay everyone off and just have this kind of ghost website that occasionally reposts a Zergnet story. Then it's just full. It's just kludgy ads in every quadrant of the page. They're trying to not do that. And the person in charge is saying, like, I believe the end of this article that I read. He said, I. He said, I love a print edition. He said, first of all, he gets the. He's not the editor, but he's like the president of the paper. He's like, I get the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post. He named a couple of others. Delivered to my house every day. I love a physical copy of the newspaper, but he goes, but I love getting to make journalism more.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And just basically saying, if we don't pivot it early, it feels early to not be able to get a copy of the ajc, then. Then we're just not going to be here. And that would be a worse outcome. Which I totally respect that opinion. I was, of course, doing the thing I always do with this stuff, which is like mourning the idea that you can't get a physical paper. And then I started asking myself, other than the paper that we got from our friend Harriet out there in Friendship, Wisconsin, which is called the Adams County Times Register or something. Yeah, I got.

[B]

I got some here.

[A]

I was gonna say, I bet you've got a copy right there.

[B]

Times reporter. The Adams Friendship Times reporter. I'm holding that. I'm literally holding this up to the camera to prove to you that it's today's love. I love it.

[A]

Exactly. You have been kidnapped by Bingo. But this. Consider this a proof of life video.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

After the circumcision, Bingo has been plotting a revenge. And I am with Bingo on this. Anyway. I was think so. My first. My knee jerk with all this stuff always is to mourn the way that media is changing and to be like, this is bullshit. You're not gonna be able to. I'm not gonna be able to pick up a copy of the AJC next time I'm down there. And then I thought to myself, yeah, but when is the last time that I read the Seattle Times, which I subscribed to, the Oregonian, which I subscribed to, the New York Times, which I subscribe to in the physical paper, paper form. And it is almost never. It is literally like, it is such a fun thing to be in a town, to be in New York. And the hotel has a copy of the Times at the lobby and you grab it and maybe read it, read a little bit of it while you have your coffee. But that's like once a year, if not once every two years for me. Like, it is a digital world. And I read all of these papers digitally and that's just what I'm used to now. Like, I guess it's like what I really had to reckon with this. Cause of course I don't read the Landlord Journal Constitution frequently. What I had to reckon with was the fact that I have fully converted to a digital news consumer. And honestly, it would have no negative impact on my life if all of these papers stopped printing paper copies. Other than the nostalgia feeling.

[B]

And also as a man of a certain age now, because I'm with you, by the way, on everything you said about the nostalgic feeling of papers. And I used to love, I felt so urban when I would like go to Boston and grab the Globe and then like, you know, carry it around all day from like coffee, the coffee shop to the diner to eventually the bar at night. And the newspaper is getting more dog.

[A]

Eared, folded over and more and more.

[B]

Exactly. And you know, you share it with Genevieve or Paul or whatever, you just pull out the sections. Like, I loved all of that. But I was starting to say, as a man of a certain age, not only have I gotten used to the digital newspapers because of time marching on, but also time marching on and my eyes marching on. You know, like, you can change the accessibility settings on things so that honestly, it's probably just better for everybody around to have the ability to like kind of adjust the settings on the newspaper.

[A]

You're absolutely right. Which reminds me, last night I was in bed and I had these readers that were like, they're actually prescription readers or they're just prescription glasses that I got at a Warby Parker when I first moved to the Portland area because I was starting to have a little trouble reading. So I actually went in and met with the like optometrist who did all of the like, you know, know, running me through the different letter patterns. And based on my eyesight, this would have been five years ago or whatever four years ago, gave me this whenever baby Reindeer came out, gave me this prescription and I was wearing those glasses last night and I realized these are not doing any good. They. And even the ones that I've bought more recently, which were just ones, they're like easy peasy and they are not prescription. They're just at whatever power they're at, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever sort of magnification or whatever they do. Those ones I think are starting to not be enough. It's crazy. Like I was in bed last night thinking I gotta go to an optometrist again and I gotta tell them to really ramp this up and I gotta maybe see about some kind of a lens where when I look through the. I don't know if this is what you have.

[B]

Yeah, it is progressive.

[A]

When I look through the bot, that's called progressive. I think I need progressive lenses because I don't need the upper half to do anything for me. I still my vision for far away things. Like I can see those yellow jackets and they're pissing me off. What I need is our glasses where the top half of the lens is not anything, but the bottom part is like as a reader, because when I.

[B]

Do that, they probably do because, you know, mine is progressive, but it's prescription on the top, prescription on the bottom.

[A]

That's how you're known in some parts on the E line. Oh, prescription in the front, prescription on the top. That's right, right. So. Because what. Because basically the problem for me when I'm wearing. And again, if. If you don't love us at blood pressure talk, you don't deserve us at right at reader conversation. By the way, the update, the hummingbirds appear to be winning right now.

[B]

Nice. I'm team Hummingbird, obviously.

[A]

Of course. Worse, I'm watching. Like I've watched now two or three hummingbirds come over and have some of their sugar water unbothered. So I don't know if the yellow jackets are on a union break or. Hey, Burbank, save it for Labor Day. Save that pro union joke for Labor Day. But anyway, I can see things that are far away. Just fine still, oddly enough. But the problem when I'm wearing the reading glasses, and this is why I still haven't fully integrated them into my life. Like, let's just say I'm on an airplane or something. Or if I'm just anyway anywhere and I'm reading, I need them for reading. But then I'm constantly looking up to see what else is going on. If I'm in the airport, let's just say. And I can't see what's going on because then everything is blurry. That's far away to me. And so I need to like get some kind of glasses that are just only the. I mean, I guess that's what those. Boy, Andrew, you want to talk about just going over the waterfall. That's probably what those glasses are. That are just half the glasses.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Usually you just get the glasses that kind of slip down your nose a little bit and you just look down.

[A]

But either the halfway down the nose look or the ones that are literally cut off. Yeah, it's just the bottom part. I mean, are you ready for me to start monitoring how much coal you're using on Christmas Day? I mean that is if that isn't just. If that isn't fast tracking me to Ebenezer Scrooge.

[B]

It's a long night shirt and floppy bedtime hat that really candle that I.

[A]

Carry around candlestick at night to go to because my chamber pot is full and I've got to go to the. No, but I mean, honestly those. I never even occurred to me what the purpose of those glasses were. But now that I think about it, that's probably exactly what they're for. But I cannot. I mean those are the glasses you put on a person in a Pepsi commercial when they're shushing you in the library.

[B]

Then you're like cowabung, grandpa.

[A]

Those glasses immediately read, this librarian is not up for fun.

[B]

Right. But actually she drinks a Pepsi and she is.

[A]

And then everything changes and. Or she might be the grandmother in the short lived NBC series Dinosaurs.

[B]

Not the mama.

[A]

Not the mama. Not the mama. I feel like there was an even more matriarch figure which I don't know if that was the grandmother. I feel like there was a dinosaur that wore these glasses that had the chain on them. Them. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, the chain says it all. I feel like. And maybe I'm misremembering or maybe. You know what? I could be totally thinking of some other Disney movie that came out since then again. Dinah Sars.

[B]

Oh no, there she. She wears pearls. Monica. Oh, Der Divertebrae.

[A]

Oh yeah. Oh, I kind of like that. Divertebrae.

[B]

Divertebrae. Yeah, I see.

[A]

So there you go. She's got glasses. They're not the glasses I was thinking thinking of. And they don't have a glasses chain on them but she does have the pearls on. See, this is what I'm talking about. This is what I'm talking about with, like.

[B]

I'm not even seeing glasses on this one. I was only seeing the pearls.

[A]

One of them that I just saw.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think she might have glasses, but they're not the half glasses. They're listening kind of normal glasses that an older dinosaur would wear. Andrew.

[B]

Yeah, well, you're an older dinosaur.

[A]

They're normal. What are the generations? It's. It's Gen Z. And then I'm a. Am I an elder dinosaur? My elder dinosaur.

[B]

Oh, here she is. Oh, this is f. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's got pearls and the glasses. I was looking at the wrong person. This is Ethel Hinkleman Phillips. Is this character.

[A]

How many characters are wearing pearls on the show? Dinosaur.

[B]

Yeah, but this. Oh, yeah, this is the matriar here. Let's go to the Muppet Wiki on this. I'm actually legit interested in this now. I didn't realize this. This is the Muppet Wiki.

[A]

I didn't know that either. That's crazy.

[B]

Were they part of the Henson verse? Well, let's see here.

[A]

I'm on mental floss. 15 things you gotta love about dinosaurs.

[B]

And it's all the dinosaur. The movies, right? Not the. Yes, just dinosaurs. Andrew.

[A]

Number one. The series was partially inspired by a Chow main commercial and Jim Henson.

[B]

I know that commercial. We played it on after these messages about four weeks ago, and it led to this whole thing about you because. Because before Jim Henson was making things that were known as Muppets or Sesame street, he was using these kind of proto versions of these characters and this Muppet style to sell things. And one of the big things, we just watched this La Choi chow mein commercial. It says La Choi, but, yeah, there's, I believe, a woman who's in her kitchen and she is having some sort of trouble making dinner for her husband or whatever. And then this dinosaur comes out of the pantry. And it's very much a Jim Henson thing. That was. There was a grain of DNA from that. In the TV show Dinosaurs.

[A]

Yeah, it says that in a DVD special feature segment titled Pre Hysterical Times, the Making of Dinosaurs, Jim Henson's son's Brian says his father's early work for La Choi brand Chinese food planted the seeds for a show about walking talking dinosaurs. The La Choi dragon just wrecked everything. And I think my dad always thought that was a hilarious character. I think maybe dinosaurs had roots in that. Another fun fact, Andrew Baby Sinclair's catchphrases came from an actual baby. While developing the personalities for each of the characters, co creator and writer Bob Young used his third son for inspiration. Not the mama and I'm the Baby Gotta Love Me became the most popular quotes from the series.

[B]

Are we having. Having fun yet?

[A]

And we're printed on T shirts, buttons, and other merchandise now. I think probably. What is the. The Mickey Mouse rule? How many years before I'm the Baby Gotta Love Me goes into the public domain? Because I am gonna start using that Steve Dinosaur.

[B]

That's what you're waiting for?

[A]

Show title.

[B]

Sure. Yes.

[A]

Hey, by the way, I'm realizing something. Anytime. Anytime that I like have a thought like this.

[B]

This.

[A]

I'm usually wrong, but I am betting that they are called the Sinclairs. Because of oil. Because of Sinclair Oil, which has a dinosaur as its mascot.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

Because they just. Down in the town near me, Longview, they just. There's a Sinclair gas station. It has a big green Sinclair dinosaur in front of. Which I kind of love. Because, of course, the idea that in the olden days, fossil fuels, you know, we sort of think of it as dead dinosaurs. We've gone well past that. I don't know how many dead dinosaurs were fracking now out of people's backyards, but in the olden days, you thought of fossil fuels as literally being dead dinosaurs. And so I'm betting they be right.

[B]

Do you want to.

[A]

More than anything. More than anything.

[B]

I am on the now. I'm not on the. The special Muppet Wiki. I'm just on Wikipedia right now. I just want to make sure everybody knows exactly where I'm sourcing my information. It says the focus of the show's plot is the Sinclair family. It lists all the characters. The family name is a reference. Reference to the Sinclair Oil Corporation, which had prominently featured a dinosaur as its logo. I forgot about that. So you have one of those. Do they actually have, like, a dinosaur on the ground?

[A]

Like, it's fiberglass and it's green and so cool.

[B]

I forgot about those. Yes.

[A]

And I think it's pretty new. Like, I think it just got installed since I lived here. Like, I wonder if the Sinclair Oil, you know, company again. Here I am. Go Big Oil. But I have to say, from an aesthetic standpoint, I do think it's a pretty cool mascot or logo.

[B]

How about this? How about to add onto your rightness, other characters and family names throughout the series often referred to rival petroleum companies. For example, Phillips Hess, bp. I didn't even know.

[A]

How do you work that in?

[B]

I don't know. Richfield. And who was the character we were just talking about? Ethel.

[A]

Ethel. Ethel as in ethanol or ethylene or just ethyl.

[B]

I just. Yeah, it's like, Ethel, Ethyl.

[A]

Is ethyl mean?

[B]

Yeah, I think of it as the product, but also, I guess it was the name of a. Of a corporation as well, an oil corporation called Ethyl.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[B]

Neither did. I'm just learning that now. But anyway, that's interesting.

[A]

You want to know one other last interesting fact about the show? Dinosaurs. The Sinclair family was biologically impossible. Andrew Earl Sinclair is a megalosaurus. His wife Fran is an allosaurus, and the children are all completely made up species for the sake of the show. The maternal grandmother, Ethel, was originally a pterodactyl that was supposed to hang in a closet, according to designer Kirk Thatcher. During development, Ethel became more of a core character. So she evolved into the seated matriarch that we know and love, who regularly.

[B]

Takes swipes at her son along. How do we know that these dinosaurs didn't, you know, get nasty with each other?

[A]

Love makes a family. Okay.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

I just think who had ever in a million years. It's such a great. It's like, it's. This is one of my greatest, like, one of my favorite kind of weird observations because it's like, on the one hand, it's basically saying the idea of a TV show based on the idea that a bunch of dinosaurs are living together in 1990s America and going through all the things that, like, the Connors go through on Roseanne. That's not scientifically possible. It's like, of course it's not. But then it is like, oh, yeah, good point. They're not even. They're not even from the same kind of dinosaurs.

[B]

But yeah, that's like.

[A]

So it is kind of like, yeah. Hey, wait a minute.

[B]

Where are we? But I mean, are we going to point out all of the like. Right. Oh, this is preposterous. They're different kinds of dinosaurs.

[A]

The baby was a preposterosaurus, which could have never come right from a megalosaurus and an allosaurus. I also love the idea that the. The. The idea that the grandma was going to be a pterodactyl hanging upside. And hanging upside down in the closet. That's got powerful peewees playhouse vibes.

[B]

Now, are you adding the upside down, or do they say upside down?

[A]

Well, supposed to hang in a closet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ethel was originally a pterodactyl that was supposed to hang in a closet. Doesn't. Doesn't hang. Indicate upside down.

[B]

I wasn't picturing her upside down. I was picturing her sort of hanging like a coat of. Yeah, kind of like a coat.

[A]

Whatever. And then I guess you could hang by either. By any. Your appendages.

[B]

Yeah. Cuz you don't want all the blood rushing to your head.

[A]

No, that's a good point. That's a. That's a teeter hang up and you don't need that if you're an elderly pterodactyl. Are we ready to officially announce our. Our new TV club project where we watch the show Dinosaurs and do a spit off pod about it every. Every week? Do you think it's.

[B]

Do you think it holds up at all?

[A]

Well, I don't know but the more I'm reading about it, the more I'm liking it as an idea. Like it sounds like the people making it were pretty art march. Like you know, the idea that there was these subtle, somewhat subtle kind of like petroleum references rolled in and I.

[B]

Don'T know, wasn't the whole thing about kind of. I thought that. Okay, I don't know if you can google this while I'm talking, but I thought that the final episode. They knew it was gonna be the final episode. So it was actually like a series wrap and I thought it maybe ends with like. Like a meteor hitting the earth or something. But I thought it had a very strong like environmental message for the 1980s.

[A]

I thought changing Nature was the final episode. Okay. And by it would make sense based on the people it seems like who made this show that maybe there was. Again, I'm kind of generalizing here, but I'm going. Puppeteers and people who are have a maybe tend to be creative and have a kind of progressive worldview. Again, I don't know that to be the case case but it seems like this show could be the kind of show that would also be wanting to send a message about like us destroying the earth and it's not a good idea. Let me see. Get to the. Get to the very end. Let's see.

[B]

The AI overview does say that like I just wrote in Dinosaurs, don't praise the machine environmentalism. And it does. It points out immediately yes, the. The final episode Changing Nature, depicting the Sinclair's family work worlds plunged into an ice age due to their species environmental irresponsibility. And it says on Wikipedia here that it had a very. The series finale had a very dark tone and depressing tone that caught fans and critics off guard.

[A]

If you go to Reddit, the ending r Dinosaurs, the ending of the 90s sitcom Dinosaurs was depressing Wait a second. That's the headline.

[B]

Wait a second. So the R Dinosaurs. The Dinosaurs subreddit is about the TV show? Not about. About dinosaurs.

[A]

Like, no, I think it's about every. I think it's about all things dinosaurs.

[B]

Okay, that would make. I mean, how did the TV show win that subreddit?

[A]

This is nine months ago on the R Dinosaurs. Reddit or subreddit. Is anything. Is that a. Is it a subreddit if it's on Reddit?

[B]

Yeah, like basically it'd be like I'm on the Beatles subreddit or the what's my cookie cutter? Subreddit? Which is a real fun one. You ever see that?

[A]

No, I'm sorry, I'm just reading the related answers on the R Dinosaurs subreddit. Read it. And I guess I just misread this headline or this. Whatever this related answer. Best 90s dinosaurs shows. Like how many were there that you need someone to help? But maybe they just wanted to know of the sitcom, what were the best episodes?

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Best 90s dinosaur shows. It's like somebody is looking for. Somebody wants to know what the best of the dinosaur. Various shows about dinosaurs from the 1990s. What are the best ones? Which is a weird list to ask for.

[B]

Yeah. Are there any answers? Was Land of the Lost made in the 90s or is that. That was an old 60s thing or something. Right.

[A]

Let's see if you're looking for the best 90s dinosaur shows. Redditors have shared some fantastic recommendations and nostalgic insights. So they've listed dinosaurs. Andrew. Okay, 1991 through 1994. Extreme dinosaurs, 1997, a spin off of Street Shark. This animated series featured talking dinosaurs with high tech weapons. And then it's not technically from the 90s, but someone has listed dinosaurs from 1987. Well, technically from the late 80s, this series about anthropomorphic dinosaurs from another planet was popular in the early 90s. And then from 1988 someone has listed Dino Riders, another late 80s gem. This series featured humans riding dinosaurs equipped with weapons.

[B]

Weapons, that. Is that the end of the list?

[A]

Other notable mentions, the land Before Time, 1988. And we're back. A Dinosaur Story, 1993. I don't know if you remember, Barney. We are back.

[B]

Sure. By the way, what's that? Where's Barney?

[A]

Great point.

[B]

That's 90s right? The big purple dinosaur.

[A]

Yeah, totally. That's. Wow, you remember these mentioning Barney.

[B]

I would say that Barney. Barney would arguably be the most famous dinosaur of the 90s.

[A]

I mean, I can't say I'm sad he went extinct. Oh, I mean, you know, kind of a little grading. Did he? I thought he was a confirmed bachelor.

[B]

I don't know if Barney had a family came from somewhere though. Somebody cared about him, I think. Here I go once again with the email. Every week I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man, it's not from a female.

[A]

All right, do we have an email or V mail that you like before we wrap it on up for the Wii?

[B]

Sure. I'll give you a choice story about garbage pickup or some fun facts about Sleepy Hollow.

[A]

I let's go with.

[B]

Well, I'm not telling you and so the people cannot be insulted. The people who left these messages cannot be insulted because I did not tell you who they're coming from. I only gave you the topics for right now.

[A]

Maybe Sleepy Hollow because I was talking about it this week. Garbage is a perennial topic. I think the garbage, unlike real garbage. I think this garbage will actually hold up. Yes, but it is better longer than a Sleepy Hollow story.

[B]

But it is going to be hot, so it's going to get stinky. No. All right, this is great. This is from our friend Max in Brooklyn.

[C]

Hey Luke and Andrew, it's Max in Brooklyn with a little Sleepy Hollow Lord. Just to give you some of the context of why it's called Sleepy Hollow, it actually was North Tarrytown until 1996. I remember when it was renamed Sleepy Hollow as a big tourist lore trap situation. There is a town just south of Tarrytown called called Irvington which was named for Washington Irvings at some point after he had died. But Washington Irving lived in Tarrytown in an estate called Sunnyside. And then North Tarrytown was incorporated and existed until 1996 when they were like, actually I think we can get people to take the metro north up from Manhattan, Manhattan in October if we rebrand our whole town.

[A]

And so they did.

[C]

And now it's Sleepy Hollow. I have a good friend who went to Sleepy Hollow High and I grew up in a town just south of there called Hastings on Hudson. It's a lovely area of New York to grow up in. Your listener Marshall also grew up there. We went to elementary school to together.

[B]

No way.

[C]

I think that's my power out.

[B]

All right, thank you, Max Marshall who.

[A]

Lives in like Amsterdam now, right?

[B]

Oh, that Marshall, sure.

[A]

Well, we could have a few marshals.

[B]

A few marshals.

[A]

Well, that is. I don't want to take anything away from the garbage voicemail, but that has just pushed my flabbergast button, Andrew. And it kind of explains a lot, because there was something about this I forgot. First of all, it's like you're driving, and you're in Tarrytown, and you're like, well, we're in a place called Tarry or the Tarrytown farmer's market. It's all Tarrytown. And, like. But. But then there's this, like, Sleepy Hollow kind of attached to it. Like, it didn't make any sense that these two towns would be so overlapped. And it's because they're one town. It sounds like they're Tarry town that just. They've kind of designated part of it to be Sleepy Hollow so that people will get off the freeway and come over and visit. Visit. Which it totally works.

[B]

I was gonna say it totally sounds like it works, and not just on you, but on a lot of people, including those people who were hanging out in the cemetery but had no idea that Washington Irving was buried there.

[A]

And again, it was. It's a lovely place, and it was a love. I'm glad. Like, I'm glad that we got duped, because I want to say Tarrytown, New York, is. Is really charming, super charming, and I would have enjoyed just spending time there, but we would not have pulled off the freeway way, Like, I think maybe it was on our way. I'm trying to remember if we actually drove by at, like, a freeway exit that indicated Sleepy Hollow on our way to the Hudson Valley, up to visit with Chris and Kate. Or if Becca just said on the drive. Like, be on the drive home, like, oh, are we near Sleepy Hollow? That may have been how it came about. But anyway, I'm glad that they did this rebranding as of. What did he say 20 years ago, I think, yeah, 40 years ago. Although that's the other thing that. Andrew. Andrew. That's the other thing. When he said as of 1990, whatever. I was like, oh, my God.

[B]

These.

[A]

This is a totally modern. This is a totally modern invention that was invented five years ago when baby reindeer was just coming out, Right? And then I realized, well, it was 30 years ago.

[B]

30 years ago would be 95 now.

[A]

30 years ago.

[B]

Max didn't mention this, but. And I. I'm not looking this up, and I could totally be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure that Tarrytown was also named after Terry Bradshaw in sort of a similar way of trying to get people. Don't they have, like, a whole, like, kind of Steelers sect? There's a whole, like, cemetery where it's right near Howie Town.

[A]

That's named for Howie Long.

[B]

I thought Longview was named for Howie Long.

[A]

That's named for Ryan Long, his son who also played in the league.

[B]

I see.

[A]

Max, can you. Now, since you're the expert on all things Tarrytown, Sleepy Hollow, Hudson Valley, can you please get to the bottom of why there's like eight gas stations within a block of each other on this one street in Tarrytown? I'm going to use its proper, its real name, Tarrytown. Like, that was the weird. Including the weirdest, the Sleepy. That also makes the Sleepy Hollow gas station make a lot of sense. Andrew.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

Although it's always been near the cemetery, so I guess there's that.

[B]

But there was a character on Dinosaurs called Al Sexual Harris. Sexual, in quotes alone, Sexual Al. As if Sexual was a nickname. Let's just go to this and then we'll get out of here. Sorry, this is probably not helpful heading into the weekend. Al Sexual Harris is the lascivious field foreman in the Dinosaurs episode, what Sexual Harris meant. Oh, Harris meant. Harris meant Sexual Harris. And it was what Sexual Harris meant. Al invented innuendo, much to the dismiss of Monica de Vertebrae, who he fired for rejecting his advances.

[A]

See, they were.

[B]

They were trying to. They were trying to point out and highlight social ills. Luke.

[A]

You know, Andrew, I'm going to tell you some of the people that helped bring you. The character Al Sexual harass the performer for the face. So the puppeteer who handled his face was Bruce Lenoir. The performer who handled his body movement, the puppeteer was Jack Tate. And the voice, voice of Val Harris was Jason Alexander.

[B]

I am just seeing that now.

[A]

Now that, my friend, could win you some kind of a pub trivia. If they have pub trivia in hell.

[B]

I want to see if you imagine.

[A]

That be the question. Imagine you're at pub Trivia and it's like it's down to the wire of your team versus some other team with a hilarious name. And it's the question is, who voiced Al Sexual Harris slash harass on the TV show Dinosaurs? And you're like, oh, yeah, I've been waiting all my life for this.

[B]

I am trying to see can we get a clip of Al Sexual Harris before we start our.

[A]

Because he's not using the George Costanza voice, presumingly, that would not go with this sort of character.

[B]

Okay, here's what I'm seeing. They have this entire episode. What Sexual Harris meant is on. Is on Vimeo. So I'm scrolling through the entire Episode now, looking for Al Sexual here, Harris.

[A]

I mean, I feel like he's probably also one. I know that you're thinking and trying to talk. I feel like he's also. I'm also delving into my TBTL email to see if I can just find some other little email that I can.

[B]

Take a listen to this. It looks like they're on site here.

[A]

But you got at least two items that I'd like to check out, if.

[B]

You know what I mean.

[A]

That's.

[B]

I don't get it. Don't you see? Roy Harris has invented a new way to talk to the babes.

[A]

Yeah, that's right.

[B]

Everything he says has two meanings. Oh. Why?

[A]

Look, on one level, you're having a nice little conversation with a sweet, lovely. But on another level, you're saying something kind of, you know, sexual. That's why we call him Sexual Harris Baraboo.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I think we have your intro for Monday, Luke.

[B]

I gotta say, I was worried about landing that as we go into the weekend. I think we did that. Went about as well as you could expect, honestly.

[A]

Good find, great needle drop. And. And. And good for the show. Dinosaurs for trying to call out some BS like it's an interesting idea. Like, hey, where did all this. Where did all the bad crap in the world get in? Invented. And it turns out Jason Alexander invented it.

[B]

You know what, Luke? I'll see you Monday, if you know what I mean.

[A]

Wait, how many meanings does that have? Do you just mean see you on Monday or does that mean something?

[B]

I thought if I said it in that way.

[A]

Sexual.

[B]

I thought if I said it in.

[A]

That way, it would mean something.

[B]

But I guess you got to have the double meanings. You can't just say it in the innuendo voice. Is that what I'm learning?

[A]

Let me try it here. Hey, thank you for listening. That just has one meaning, which is me saying, thank you for listening. We are at the end of our broadcast week, but we will be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio, and we hope you can join us for that. In the meantime, have an exceptional weekend, everybody. Go Mariners. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

[B]

And good luck to all. I think you know what I'm talking.

[A]

And you don't like doing characters.

[B]

Power out.