#4557 Immediate No with Jen Andrews

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL #4557 - “Immediate No with Jen Andrews”

Date: September 18, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank, Andrew Walsh
Guest: Jen “Flash” Andrews

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Episode Overview

This episode reunites the TBTL crew with beloved original co-host Jen “Flash” Andrews for a lively blend of classic banter, generational trends, TV critique, and candid life stories. Centering on the theme of aging, fitting in (or not), and saying “immediate no” to the things that don’t serve you, the conversation moves effortlessly from nostalgia for TBTL’s early days, fashion and fitness fads, and snack foods, to the changing landscape of TV, true friendship, and the power of clear boundaries. It’s a funny, warm, and very “classic TBTL” listen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Revisiting TBTL Memories & On-Air Nostalgia

• Jen marvels at hearing old-school TBTL audio drops and wonders if listeners remember their live reenactments of classic TV.
• Luke shares: “You’d be surprised at how little we’ve progressed in the last, I don’t know, 15 years… those are still the drops we’re using.” (04:00)
• Stories about old “TBTL Players” skits—especially one disastrous attempt at “The A-Team”—spark a discussion of changing views about “problematic” content and shifting awareness:

  “This is how the woke mind virus has taken me over… I immediately thought, well, one of the stars of ‘The A-Team’ is Black. Please God, tell me we did not have someone trying to be Mr. T.” – Luke (06:46)

2. Aging, Fitness, and Fashion Trends

• Luke’s accidental entry into a high school cross country meet (08:17):
  • Humorous account of finding himself running among high schoolers, relishing the crowd’s encouragement, and recalling how young people perceive anyone over 28 as ancient.

  “I was kind of pretending it was for me… never felt so alive.” – Luke (11:36)

  • Jen notes how, to teenagers, adults are simply “that really old guy.” (11:49)
• Weighted Vests & Granny Time
  • Jen explains the explosion of weighted vests among women in their 50s: “You have to have a weighted vest. How much weight do you have in it?” (14:30)
  • Relates it to muscle loss in menopause and resistance to giving into fads—while admitting she’ll inevitably cave:

    “There’s something in me that’s like, I’m not going to do it… but I know it’s coming for me.” – Jen (19:05)

• Fashion Reluctance but Eventual Surrender (Barrel Jeans & Jorts Edition)
  • Both resist new trends until exposure therapy (or Stockholm Syndrome) wears them down.

    “Now the idea of skinny jeans...if you put a gun to my head, I wouldn’t put skinny jeans on…and yet, talk to me in 20 years…” – Luke (16:05)

• Girls’ Weekend: Dietary Identities
  • Jen describes a “girls’ weekend” where every attendee brought her own unique eating constraints (no seed oils, no food dye, no oxalates or “obesogens,” one woman subsisting on sardines and protein powders, another only eating See’s Candies when hungry).
  • Luke’s incredulous response:

    “God, this sounds like a fun weekend.” (21:14)

  • Jen still follows Michael Pollan’s “eat what your grandmother would recognize as food” guideline (22:03).

3. Modern Eating Habits and Homemade Food

• Luke describes his new resolve to eat unprocessed foods and cook his own meals, a marked shift from his prior cycles of fad dieting:

  “I just had to reacquaint myself with real food that is initially not quite as exciting…” (23:14)

• Both reflect on their changing relationship with food—moving away from exciting processed items like Cool Ranch Doritos toward real, less intensely flavored sustenance.

4. Donor Shout-Outs and Changing Podcast Economics

• The hosts thank listeners directly for supporting the show, noting a move away from ad-driven revenue to community support (29:25).

5. TV & Pop Culture — From Emmy Bits to Task and Beyond

• The Emmys & Nate Bargatze Hosting
  • Discussion of a controversial Emmys bit: money deducted from a charity donation for long speeches. Both viewed it as clearly a bit, but Jen felt it ran too long; both liked Nate Bargatze but found his “aw shucks” persona a little forced in this context. (31:18–34:30)
• Network Caution & Safe Choices
  • Luke notes: “This was an extremely safe choice for CBS…conservative America is not threatened by [Nate Bargatze] in any way, shape, or form.” (34:08)
• First Reactions to HBO’s “Task”
  • Luke found the Delco accent and “Philadelphia-ness” overwritten (“…every person that's talking at all times is Delco-ing out the hardest,” 37:51), while Jen really enjoyed the pilot for its characters and setup (38:42).
• Late Night Landscape and Kimmel Controversy
  • Discussion of the growing irrelevance and political vulnerability of late night shows, with Kimmel’s removal appearing more political than Colbert’s cancellation.
  • Both bemoan the chilling effect of administration pressure and the disappearance of late night as a cultural staple, though admit they primarily catch highlights on TikTok now. (42:47–44:34)
  • Jen: “I wanna feel sad about it except that I also really haven’t watched…it just feels stale.” (42:56)

6. Immediate No: Owning Your Preferences and Boundaries

• The group text tradition: borrowing Bieber’s “immediate no” as the gold standard for setting boundaries, particularly in social and friend group settings (56:01).

  “I would rather just do that…and all of us agreed, we’re not going to hurt each other’s feelings. I don’t want to do that. It’s an immediate no.” – Jen (56:11)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• Jen’s Rewriting of Familiar Sayings (00:00)
  “You can’t teach an old dog because they’re too old and they can’t listen to you because they could be deaf… Two wrongs don’t make it better. A picture is worth less than a person you love. … Don’t cry over anything.” – Jen Andrews

• On Old School TBTL: (04:00)
  “You’d be surprised at how little we’ve progressed in the last, I don’t know, 15 years since you were doing the show on the regular.” – Luke

• Fashion Reluctance: (16:05)
  “Now the idea of skinny jeans…if you put a gun to my head, I wouldn’t put skinny jeans on …and yet, talk to me in 20 years if I’m still here, and I’ll be the only guy at the old age home in the skinny jeans.” – Luke

• Weighted Vest Reluctance: (19:05)
  “There’s something in me that’s like, I’m not going to do it… but I know it’s coming for me.” – Jen

• Girls’ Weekend Dietary Chaos: (20:19)
  “She used two words that I thought she made up and was laughing because I thought it was a funny joke. One of them was oxalates, and the other was obesogens.” – Jen
  “This was her system... she would eat a See’s candy… so filling. …she wasn’t eating any calories but lived on coffee and See’s candy.” – Jen (24:50)

• On Cooking Energizing Food at Home: (23:14)
  “It’s been kind of a shift for me… I don’t feel like I’m depriving myself. I just had to reacquaint myself with real food that is initially not quite as exciting.” – Luke

• On the Rise and Fall of Late Night TV: (42:47)
  “Are we… we’re not going to have late night television shows in five years… all the monologues are kind of the same… it all feels a little boring to me.” – Jen

• “Immediate No” Philosophy: (56:11)
  “It’s immediately no. I’ve seen what I have to see. And the answer is immediately no.” – Jen, recounting the Bieber phrase

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TV & Streaming Recommendations

• The Diplomat (Netflix, with Keri Russell): Jen recommends as “the best thing I saw last year.” (47:36)
• Department Q: “Scottish murder, police department, cold case” — perfect for British TV lovers and anyone who enjoys crime procedurals with an accent. (48:04)
• PBS’s Miss Scarlet and the Duke: “She’s a PI in 1800s London, he’s the chief of police. Obviously secretly in love but mostly solving mysteries.” (49:56)
• Fisk (Netflix): Australian comedy with office vibes and a unique absurdist touch (50:41)

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Memorable Tangents & Classic TBTL Humor

• Jen’s “granny time” fears about falling, burning granola, and leaving instructions for her husband in case something happens to her (13:22)
• Luke’s story about the See’s Candy segment and receiving his own lab coat (26:40)
• Luke’s disastrous attempt to introduce his parents to “Sexy Beast”—not the family-friendly Ben Kingsley fare he remembered (51:09)
• Lady Carnarvon and the awkward Egyptology add-on at Downton Abbey/Highclere (52:05–55:12)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Jen’s hilarious proverb rewrites | | 03:25 | Jen returns, TBTL nostalgia | | 08:17 | Luke’s accidental cross country meet | | 14:30 | Weighted vests, menopause & muscle loss | | 19:05 | Fashion fads—barrel jeans, jorts, Jenko jeans | | 19:32 | Girls weekend: dietary restrictions run wild | | 22:03 | Michael Pollan’s “eat what your grandmother ate” | | 29:09 | Donor thank-yous and podcast funding meta | | 31:18 | Emmys review—Bargatze, Boys & Girls Club bit | | 37:51 | Task: Philly overload vs. authenticity in TV | | 42:47 | The decline/pressure on late night TV | | 56:01 | “Immediate no” policy in friend groups |

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Overall Tone and Language

Classic TBTL: warm, self-deprecating, filled with inside jokes and recurring language (“granny time,” “nerd level,” “power out”), plus candid, nonjudgmental talk about real life, anxieties, and the strange ways we all cope with change, age, and group dynamics.

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Takeaway

You’re not the only one resisting cultural change—nor the only one surrendering. If you want to feel less alone in avoiding weighted vests, wondering what to make for dinner, questioning media, or just wanting to say “immediate no” more often, this episode is pure comfort food.

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Sign-off:
“Please remember: No mountain too tall.” “And good luck to all.”

Transcript

[Jen Flash Andrews]

You can't teach an old dog because they're too old and they can't listen to you because they could be deaf. When the going gets tough, you get tougher. Don't judge a book. Yeah. Because it's a book. Don't put all of your eggs. Oh, yeah, because if sometimes if you put all your eggs, you'll run out of them. Out of sight, out of. Out of knowing. Two wrongs don't make it better. A picture is worth less than a person you love. Oh, I know that. The best things in life are family and pets. Don't cry over anything.

[Luke Burbank]

Tbtm.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I consider myself to be an absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

Dead center, normal, average American. Here's a 1 0. Swung on. There it goes. Deep left center. That ball is high. It is far. It is gone. But caught. I'm not very good with chit chat. I like a structured communication.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I like a hard out.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, chit chat, chit chat, chit chat.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Where are we going with that?

[Luke Burbank]

Be bop bop badapoo. I don't even know what that means. No one knows what it means, but it's provocative.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh my God. This is a whole new level of nerd. Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome everyone to a Thursday edition of tvtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Are you sure? That's what they said on Ask Jeeves. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host, Ooh la la. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where we did it again, people. We are looking at another beautiful September day. Oh, ma Pa. It's just beautiful. My. My beautiful family of deer have decided, I guess, to hang out outside of another podcast today. That's all right, though, because we have a tremendous show. We don't need any wildlife augmentation of today's episode, which, by the way, is episode 4557 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. I have documented the brain rot that TikTok has brought to my brain and also the diminution of my attention span to the point where I have to put things like watching television on a to do list. I have to like, hype myself up to sit down and watch a television show. Television is no friend of mine. I tried to do that last night with a very sort of well regarded show on HBO and I actually couldn't get through it. But I know someone who loved it and we're gonna talk about it. In fact, I know Someone who knows all about entertainment and showmanship. And you want showmanship? You got it. All of these topics that have maybe to some degree, fallen by the wayside in the recent life of tbtl, but not today, because guess what, people? Well, well, well.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Look who's back.

[Luke Burbank]

Joining us is the one, the only, Jen Flash Andrews. I love Jesus, but I drink a little. And she is on the line right now. Jen, welcome back to tbtl.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Thank you. It's like coming home.

[Luke Burbank]

It is so, so nice to see your face on this little computer connection that we're using. How are you?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I'm great. That was pretty fun to hear a little of the old school clips in there.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Action.

[Luke Burbank]

You would be kind of surprised at how little we've progressed in the last, I don't know, 15 years since you were doing the show on the regular. Like, you'd think that just with all those episodes that the turnover, the churn, the addition of new audio would have almost pushed out everything from the old days. But in fact, those are still the drops we're using.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Do you think people know that we used to do live readings of classic television shows on the air?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know if they know it enough. I don't know if we've.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I don't know if we should be proud of it or not.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I think we absolutely should be. I mean, listen. And I have to take the least credit for that. You get the credit for thinking it up. Shawn Dettori gets, I think, the credit for an incredible range of characters that he would play while also playing sound effects. Like, did we do a star? Some kind of a space one where he was playing blasters and playing various characters and. Hey, do you know that I couldn't do it for scheduling reasons. But speaking of Aaron Covey, was that a little house?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Was that where you're reenacting? They. CBS asked me again. I had a livewire conflict. They wanted me to fly out to, like, somewhere really far in Canada where they're shooting the Little House on the Prairie reboot riff. Yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yes. We should have known that was coming.

[Luke Burbank]

I guess they're making, like, an edgy little house. And I was gonna go out to the set, but again, I couldn't make it work. But I. I don't know. I mean, I feel like the original. If you think about it, the. A little. The original little house was, in its own way, kind of edgy. You had drug use, I believe that was. What was. I forget the name of the actor. Who? Richard. Wait. It was Mulligan. Not the guy who played Bull on Night Court? No, it was like not Martin Mull either. No, but it was like, is Richard Mulligan a guy?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

He had a best friend, right?

[Luke Burbank]

He had a show. No, he had a show later on that he was the star of. But in Little House he played.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Was it Merlin? Was he on a show called Merlin?

[Luke Burbank]

Let me see if I can find this real quick. By the way, we also do this a lot since you've been gone. That also has not changed me starting.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Starting on TVTL Players, we were once doing the A Team. About a minute and a half or two minutes into it, you figured out that he thought he was Mr. T. And he said, what are you doing? And he said, wait, which is the black guy? And I thought, I think we've gone off the rails at this point.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. When you said the A Team, this is how the woke mind virus has taken me over. I immediately thought, well, one of the stars of the A Team is black. We didn't have any black folks on the show. Please God, tell me we did not have someone trying to be Mr. T.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, luckily they didn't know they were being the black guy. So there was no trouble.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm trying to get to this. All I can get is the general cast of Little House. But anyway, there was an episode. Oh, you know what it was? Well, anyway, there was a guy who came back from one of the wars. A character. He was, it was like a. It was a, you know, he was a guest star and I believe he was the son of one of the regulars. I don't know if it was, you know, I don't know if it, whichever other character that you might see week in and week out. But anyway, their son comes back from the war and he's gotten on that. It's either daladnid or morphine or something in the war because he's injured and he's having these kind of flashbacks from the war that he was in. And it was scary stuff to me. I don't know if they need Little House to be edgier. It was plenty edgy for a 8 year old Luke Burbank back in the day.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It was a sexual assault episode.

[Luke Burbank]

Really?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yes, it was very edgy back in the day.

[Luke Burbank]

It was medically edgy because I believe Mary regained her sight from an explosion. Or was that Albert? Somebody got their sight back from an explosion which feels. That feels late season, that feels late stage Little House. Like we're really just kind of throwing anything at the wall and see it. If it sticks. Jen, do you know that yesterday I ran in my very first high school cross country meet?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, that doesn't seem fair.

[Luke Burbank]

A lot of people say 49. It's not fair to me. Try being 49 running against a bunch of 17 year olds. I was out at the lake down in town near where I live these days and it's called Lake Sacagawea. And it's beautiful. Actually, it was, it was designed by the Olmsted brothers. And I'm sure you know, as a world traveler that they did Central park and Prospect park in Brooklyn.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

This is a funna too, I believe.

[Luke Burbank]

I believe they did Ravenna.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

This is the thing, four books about them.

[Luke Burbank]

So this is where I'm. Yeah, I'm sure between you and Jason, you're a real Olmstead family.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Just start counting the number of places you go where someone tells you something is in Olmsted. They can't all have been there. Must have been like Ricky Olmsted who was like a very like, you know, like four generations removed, like every town. And by the way, they're all great. These parks are. I love these parks. But everyone's always telling you that their park is an Olmsted. So I was in this alleged Olmstead in Longview, Washington, and I'm out doing my little jog and I notice that, I mean, it's pretty normal out on the path, except I'm seeing that there are like more parents standing on the side of the path than I'm used to. I'm used to there being zero parents standing on the side of the path. So even seeing four is like that's 400% more than I'm used to.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Susanne Walter, is it?

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. And then like some people have cameras and then I start to notice that there is the occasional cone. And I'm like, okay. And about, I don't know, a mile and a half or something into this loop, I start to hear the pitter patter of high school feet and I look back and there is a full on pack of cross country runners that are just blazing past me. And like I feel bad because like I do not want to be impeding them. It'd be like if you were having a high school football game and somebody's on the field. So I'm like worried I'm in the way. But also I don't want to run in the grass because there's a lot of duck poop and at this point I could trip. The grass is very uneven. These are the things I have to think about at 49. So I'm trying to kind of be on the side of the trail and not blocking them, but not totally off of the path. And then eventually the pack that's running about as fast as me, well, let's just say these are not the high achieving cross country kids. We kind of settle in together.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

You found your people.

[Luke Burbank]

I found my pace cut out there. We're kind of doing our thing together. And then their friends and parents are cheering for them. People have cowbells. Some kids are squirting water on their friends who are running. But this is like, everyone's agreed that they want this to happen, you know, And I'm running with this pack of kids for like a half of a mile, and I've never felt so alive. Like, it was amazing. I did. Luckily, luckily I didn't finish the race because at some point it veered left across like a bridge that I wasn't going over. And so we left at exactly the right time because honestly, I was getting very tired and I was gonna definitely finish beyond dead last with these kids. But I like that that was not what I was expecting for my Wednesday was to literally get the experience of running in a high school cross country meet, like getting all of the endorphins and the cheering. And then like, I was kind of pretending it was for me.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Do you think that they had a post race conversation about who was that.

[Luke Burbank]

Guy with law enforcement? Yes, I. I absolutely do think about.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

High schoolers is they think we're really old.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So they're probably like that really old guy.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

He's more devastating than you can imagine.

[Luke Burbank]

I remember Addie and her friends talking about somebody who had the temerity to show up at one of their parties who was really old, who I think was 28 or 29. There's like, there's like this old guy there. And I was like, okay, well, how old they go? I don't know, easily 29, maybe 28, but probably 29. Hey, speaking of exercise, and I don't know if this fits into the framework of this segment, but I just want to play it because it's fun. Ladies and gentlemen, she's in the house. It's granny time. Ah, yes, we still have that somewhere in the audio archives. Jen, I figured you weren't getting younger. I mean, you look amazing. I think, you know, you're winning the fight against aging. But also mentally, I'm not. I'm assuming you're not suddenly becoming more Freewheeling and footloose.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No, I'm not. I am also afraid of falling deathly so.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know, I live alone. I know this is granny time, which means it's about you, but I'll just tell you, I choked on a grape yesterday, and my entire life flashed before my eyes watching the Mariners. I was eating like. Well, the problem was I was eating two grapes at the same time. One of them kind of got a little lodged, and I thought, this is how it happens. I'm all alone. I'm miles from anyone who could get to me and save me. And J.P. crawford is hitting into an inopportune double play. This is my last thought.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I sometimes will say to Jason, I put the granola in the oven, but. And I know that it says 35 minutes, but we really should pull it at 25. And he's like, why are you telling me that? I'm like, well, in case something happens.

[Luke Burbank]

To me, you figure, I might as well enjoy it now. I might as well enjoy it five minutes early. I can't. You don't feel safe or you don't feel confident forecasting 30 minutes into your future? 25.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And I'm like, I know this is going to be burned if you wait the full 35. And so I just want to leave this little wisdom with you.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, I am also. Yeah, I'm a. I am. I am an intensely pull it out of the oven too early person. I'm always worried about overcooking it, which means I'm always pulling it out a little bit before. Alexa tells me, sorry to everyone if I just set that off in your home environment. But I'm always setting an alarm with her and then not trusting that that was the right amount of time. Okay, let's talk about exercise. You mentioned to me this morning via text, something that I had seen, I've seen on TikTok, people talking about this, but I didn't really understand the reality of it. Weighted vests. Is this something that's happening a lot in your life and age cohort?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It's everywhere. You have to have a weighted vest. How much weight do you have in it? I walk this hill every morning, and all the other women are wearing the weighted vest. And it's very much a badge of honor. You wear it over your shirt so everyone knows you've got it on, and it's got all these pockets in it. So you start at like 5 pounds, and some women up to like, 12, 15 pounds. And my doctor really wants me to wear one. What And I don't mean my TikTok doctor. I mean my actual, actual doctor. She's like, it would just be so great for you because this is the big thing. Real quick menopause talk. Because I think that really fits in granny time.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I mean, I don't want you to feel cornered with that intro tape, but yes, it would be extremely germane.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I think so. So the huge problem that we have as we move into our 50s is losing muscle mass.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

That's why it's so terrible when you fall and break your bones.

[Luke Burbank]

Resistance training is everything. Right.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Our obsession. And so, you know, hey, you're already walking this hill. Throw on a weighted vest and it'll make you even stronger. And it's better for muscle building. It's this whole thing.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It's just. It's like all the cool kids are doing it and there's something in me that's just like, I'm not going to do it. And yet I also feel like, you know, when barrel legged jeans came out two years ago, I was like, I'll never wear them. And now they're just going out and I'm like, you know what? I finally want to get a pair. I'm always on the end.

[Luke Burbank]

I was so put off by the size of pants that I saw people wearing. And then I went to London for work like six, eight months ago and they lost my luggage. And the only store that was near me was Uniqlo and the only pants they sold were like, way bigger, like way wider than any pants I wear. And I bought a few pairs and I've been wearing them and everyone was complimenting me on them. And now I'll never go back to wearing anything that's not like borderline jod purse. Except I will. When? Whatever. You know, when. Like now the idea of skinny jeans, which probably when you and I started tbtl, I was probably wearing skinny jeans. I would be. That was probably about the time. And I remember thinking, this is all I'll ever wear for the rest of my life are these skinny jeans. I will never, ever go back to anything else. And now if you put a gun to my head, I wouldn't put skinny jeans on. And yet, talk to me in 20 years if I'm still here. And I'll be the only guy at the old age home in the skitty jeans.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I was standing in line behind Ben Platt in line at the Getting on an airplane in Burbank.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay? My number one place to see famous people, including Bruce Falanche twice, which is two more times than I expected him. Burbank, that's a flex, right? The Burbank Airport. That's where you see all the stars.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So I'm standing behind him and he is wearing very loose, very wide legged Jorts shorts.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, yes.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Very loose, very wide. Right to the knee.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And I just was thinking, there's absolutely no way that that's in style. I don't know what's going on. There's no way that's in style. And two weekends ago, I was in New York and everybody, boys, girls, old, young, everyone was wearing them. And I said to Jason, how long do you think we'll have to be here before you and I are like, we gotta get us some denim shorts? Like, how, how long does it take of like exposure therapy?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Yes. What did. Yeah. Or I, I consider it just like psychological terror till they break you down. You know what I mean? Like, it's like Stockholm syndrome. Eventually you begin to trust the pants and then you rely on the pants. You rely on the jorts for your everything.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And I guarantee you that the next time I'm on tbtl, yes, I will have purchased a pair of wide leg denim shorts.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like a slow speed crash. It's like I'm, I'm talking about myself now and my sartorial choices because again, I've had that experience so many times. I see the, the one that I, I, I swear I shan't cross are Jenko jeans, which are so back. In fact, luckily we may have, like, they may have become so back that now they're like cycling back out. And like, I managed to just totally miss that, but it's like it happens over and over and over again where I just see something and I just think that looks absolutely ridiculous. And then I'm just like, I'm trying to steer into the slide, but somehow it's uncontrollable. I just eventually find myself, like, buying them from some store and wearing them and then loving them and then thinking whatever I was wearing is passe. And I'm never going back to that.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

This is the thing about getting older is I don't want to wear that stuff. And yet I'm going to have to because I desperately also don't want to be like, so old that I've missed the moment.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And then the weighted vest, I can, I know it's coming for me because everyone's wearing them and I think I will get convinced into doing it. The eating. I cannot even tell you. I went on this weekend Yeah, a girl's weekend. And everyone arrived separately. And this is absolutely true. What happened? The first woman who arrived at this Airbnb wanted to be helpful, and so she ordered all this food delivered from Costco. And she's against seed oils.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, sure. I've. Yeah, that's. I think that's. That's cycling back through.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No safflower oil, none of that. Yeah, so she ordered all seed oil. Free food. The next woman that arrived, her only rule is no food dye. And she claims there's only one store that has a no food dye commitment. There's not one thing in their store with food dye. This is also. She just claims this.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know if it's the RFK Junior Emporium.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

She said it was Trader Joe's.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, okay.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

She proceeds to order everything she needs for the weekend from Trader Joe's. The next woman who arrived doesn't believe in any sugar, any seed oils, or any oxalates.

[Luke Burbank]

What? That's an. That's an ancient cat, right, that lived on the Russian step, the oxalate.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

She used two words that I thought she made up and was laughing because I thought it was a funny joke. One of them was oxalates, and the other one was obesogens. What made up word?

[Luke Burbank]

Also, it's kind of feels like someone's making fun of you.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

She's like, I just don't believe in any obesogens or oxalates. I'm like, those aren't even words. It's just like they are words.

[Luke Burbank]

You're like, I'm a height, weight, proportional gens. Leave me alone. What are you calling me?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

She pulls out her second suitcase.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And it was filled with rows of tins of sardines.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God, Rose.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Of them.

[Luke Burbank]

A tinned fish, girly.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And then the other half were all the different protein powders, like millions of protein powders. Her. Her hand mixer. Her. Her. Her.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Boxes of almond milk.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, wow.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So she spent.

[Luke Burbank]

God, this sounds like a fun weekend.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So she would just be like, we would be poolside. We're on vacation in Arizona, in Scottsdale, poolside. And she's holding a tin of sardines. And she's just with a fork out of this tin of sardines. And I said, that's actually making me gag just a little bit. And this is what she said to me. Don't worry, I put Dijon on it.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, so then. Yeah, what's your hang up? She put Dijon on it again.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It's like, that is not a solution for anything that's going on here.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow. What did you have? Just a suitcase full of seed oils. You're like, I only eat seed oils.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So this will not shock you, but I have not changed since the days of tbtl. I still follow the Poland rule of, yes, eat what your grandmother would recognize as food.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know what? I just started doing that this year. I say this year we're like, almost at the end of 20. That's the other thing that's happening to me as I get older. I'm like, I still think I'm about two months into 2025. That's how it feels to me.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

But I'm still setting up my goals for this year and kind of figuring out what I want to get out of it.

[Luke Burbank]

I did a thing for 2025, which was. This is why I was eating grapes last night, is because I basically. In fact, I may have invoked this. I may have literally invoked the Michael Pollan thing yesterday on the show, which was, yeah, like, eat foods. You know, mostly vegetables and. And like, and just things that you recognize, you would recognize as being. Or like you said, your. Your. Your ancestors recognize as being a normal food as opposed to super hyper processed. And it's been a real. It's been kind of a shift for me because I'm eating more food than I ever used to eat, but I'm actually, like, down some pounds. And, like, I don't feel like I'm depriving myself. I just had to, like, reacquaint myself with real food that is initially not quite as exciting. Yeah, like, you know, because what I used to do is, like, intermittent fast all day, and then during my feed window, eat, like an entire pizza. Six McDonald's cookies that I doordashed. You know, just like, insanity.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

There will never be anything as exciting as the first Cool Ranch Dorito ever. Like, it's the most amazing flavor bomb in your mouth. And I can't believe that, you know, I used to polish off a bag of them when I was in high school without thinking twice.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, for me, it's been really. It has been a really kind of an interesting. And I guess I would say it's gone better than I expected. As opposed to all of my many. And you. You lived through so many of them. My many, many different fad diets and weird, you know, systems that I was doing. It was all. It all existed so I could still eat one pizza a day. I think that was my issue. I think that was my. And even now though. So, like, okay, I still eat pizza, but this is what I'm doing now. I got a pizza oven and I make my own dough. And like, yeah, it's flour and water, but it's like, it's so labor intensive that, first of all, I don't do it like seven nights a week. I also just feel like, you know, I had to burn a few calories mixing it and rolling it out and taking it to the pizza oven. And like, there's something about the same thing I'm doing with, like, I got a rice cooker and I cook a lot of rice now. And it's. It's like, instead of ordering, you know, Chinese food and having rice and the protein and the vegetables, I'll make it myself. It is the same thing, but there's something about the components when I make them myself where I don't know if it's that I'm not using seed oils or what peroxylates I'm not using. I'm not using fatty gens. I'm not using oxalite. I'm, you know. So did you have fun this weekend, despite what sounds like a very, very strict lifestyle for the people you were with?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, the last girl that arrived at a really weird thing that I still can't quite get over, but what she did was she drank coffee all day. Okay, she was a no alcohol person. Okay, sure, she drank coffee all day and then she would eat her dinner. And then throughout the day if she felt hungry. This was her system. And she said she's done it for years and she was the thinnest person at this party. I hate to say, when she felt hungry, she would eat a See's candy. And she said that was so filling. And like, she said that it fulfilled everything she wanted. Like what she was craving. It gave her fat and sweet and lingered in her mouth. And she said so she would just eat some See's candy and. And then she'd be fine for another few hours. And so really, from a calorie perspective, she was barely eating any calories, but she was living on coffee and See's candy. She arrived with two bags of. Filled with these candies that she bought at the Phoenix airport. They have a store there.

[Luke Burbank]

I did a story about See's Candy wants a TV story. And it was, from the moment the producer pitched it to me until it got on television, 100% an excuse for me to reenact the Lucille Ball thing. And we weren't even in this. Actually, I don't even think we were in the same. We were either in the building where they filmed it, but they didn't call it a seas candy in the episode or we were not. Or they. They filmed it out of seas candy somehow. We. It was. It was a big put on, basically, but it involved at some point the producer looking at the person doing the conveyor belt and going, speed it up, speed it up on this guy. Speed. And you know what they made for me, Jen, was. Yeah, they made a, you know, like a. An apron or whatever you call it. Like a white Ses candy lab coat. Lab coat with my name on it. And I still have it. I don't know what you use that for outside of the seas candy environment.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

But I should be wearing it when you make your pizza.

[Luke Burbank]

That's a really good idea, actually. Do you guys do. Do you guys do a like, do you guys make pizza at home ever? Is that too much of a hassle?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

We do make all of our own food, but we're really, really bad at it. But we have so much fun. But we have not taken on pizza yet.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I'm also very bad at the pizza, for the record, like, so far. But I'm getting better, better every day, so. Hey, can we just take a quick moment here? And actually, this is not. I want to mention Jen, for some reason it's important for me that you know this. This is not the normal donor music, but I didn't get the real donor music from Andrew, so I just found this on 100 Greatest TV Theme Songs.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And did you request extra sax or. That just came along.

[Luke Burbank]

I paid for. This is the Cadillac of bad midi. One of the things is that when Andrew's here, he is pretty concerned about us getting pulled down off of YouTube in parts of Eastern Europe. It seems to really be centered around, like, Romania. And because he gets the emails, because he's the person who posts the show, typically he's involved in all of the kind of like our show's relationship with the various platforms through which it's distributed, including YouTube and stuff. And so he'll get. He gets all the. And he hates being hollered at. I think you might know that from like literally the first time he was on the show or one of the very first times he told us about the time he ran away from home. And I think he wrote a note and it said, I just don't like being hollered at. And that remains the case for him. So I think when we play like you had recommended a Tyler Childer song and we're totally going to play it later. And I don't care that we're going to get hollered at because I'll never see it. I don't get those emails.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Aren't you allowed to play 10 seconds?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think so anymore. It's really crazy. And actually the main reason that we are trying to be careful about it is not even because of getting pulled down in Eastern Europe, but because our fear would be that in some future age. Cause all of these episodes, including all the ones with you and Sean Dettore and everybody from the OG cast, they're all online. You can get them. But we're worried that one of these services like Spotify or somebody else will go back and retroactively ban us or ban any episode that has something. Cause I mean, think about the first few years of the show. There's a free for all.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Friday night's nine o'. Clock. There's just.

[Luke Burbank]

Although, luckily my singing on some karaokes was so bad that I think it changed the song into a new form of art, which we are allowed to use because no longer bears any resemblance to the original.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Certainly Pharrell and Ed Sheeran would argue that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Let's thank Zachary Siren, who's in Lake Forest Park, Washington. Thanks, by the way, to these folks for donating to TBTL, keeping the show going with their. This is 100% listener supported. We used to get that state roofing money, Jen, and that slab jacking money back when you and I worked on the show on the radio side. But no more these days. It's all from folks like Zachary and also like Rachel Smith who's in Seattle, Washington. Thank you, Rachel. Thanks to Linda Critchfield in Lancaster, California. Also Alyssa Wright in Bothell. I wonder if Alyssa in Bothell and Zachary in Lake Forest park know each other well.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And Rachel in Seattle.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. But I think I'm thinking more like LFP Bothell. I guess Bothell is Bothel. Bothell is close. Ish to that. I guess those were all places that I felt like were associated for me with Gospel Outreach, Christian Fellowship, because we were in Briar. You guys lived in. Did you ever live in Mount Lake Terrace or was that just your sister?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No, I did.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Yeah. All right. We have also got Christy Anderson in Westport, Washington. I know people that surf in Westport, Washington, and I always feel like, do you like surfing this much?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It's so cold.

[Luke Burbank]

Like peace and love. But like, I know and people do. They go out to the Oregon coast here and then you see their pictures on Instagram. And I'm going, do you? I mean, are you hanging that much 10 in Lincoln City? Like, really, like, is it that fun that it's worth almost dying? And then finally, we've got Sarah spots up there in Bellingham, Washington. We love Bellingham. One of my favorite places to have formerly lived. So thanks to all of our donors for making today's episode of TBTL possible. Hey, let's do a little bit of entertainment this morning. Another high quality.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No sax in this one.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no. We couldn't afford the sax in this one. Jen, I'm so glad you're here for some so many reasons, but not the least of which is because I knew you were someone who would have watched the Emmys or at least had opinions on it. And something that happened during the Emmys, Nate Bargetzi hosted, and they did this bit that I thought was, like, a pretty funny idea, which was he started out saying, I'm going to donate $100,000 to the boys and Girls Club, but for every person who goes over in their acceptance speech, for every second they go over, we're going to start deducting money from this donation to the Boys and Girls Club. And so the first thing was when he said that, I thought, well, of course, whatever the number ends up at, they're going to just end up donating like he's going to personally and. Or CBS is just going to donate at a minimum what they promised and probably more than that, which is, by the way, what happened. So I wasn't stressed for the finances of the positive place for kids as a longtime Greenwood Boys and Girls Club denizen myself, but what I thought was funny. I don't know where it ended up. Did it actually end up in the negative or just going down a lot? I saw so many people online that were like, this is not funny. They're not a prop. I was surprised that there was. I just thought everyone got it, that it was a bit and that the Boys and Girls Club was gonna get their money. And I don't know, I thought it was kind of funny. What did you think?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I thought that it was a good idea. I thought it was funny. I thought it went on. It was too much of the. Too much of the. It had too much place in the show. But also I thought it was funny that any celebrity was, like, worried about it. I also think that playing off music is. I mean, the whole Ish. It's such a problem because on the one hand, I think, you know, you win Your award, you should be able to say your thing you want to say, but then you've got Adrien Brody going on for 10 minutes saying whatever, so. I always feel for the producers. I think because I was a producer for so much of my career, I always feel for the producers. You're in an impossible situation. Yeah, of course. We always knew it was going to be way more money given to the charity because these people aren't stupid. They knew what they were doing. They gave $350,000. Everybody knew that.

[Luke Burbank]

And that hundred that CBS gave, that comes directly out of my salary, too. So I get to weigh in on this. That's taking bread off of my table. What did you think overall of. Of the Emmys, of them having Nate Bargetzi hosted? Of, like, who won or didn't want. Didn't win or whatever?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, I am a huge fan of Nate Bargassi. I've seen him live. I think he's great. I do think that if you're going to be the outsider, then you have to kind of play it like Ricky Gervais, which Nate forgets have it in him. No, no, he's not gonna play the outsider card. Then I think you have to come in and really be an outsider. And so the kind of like, I'm a yokel and I don't know much thing didn't. I just don't think it quite worked.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's hard when you want to be.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Act like he was cool and he had a right to be there, but he also didn't want to be, like, super outsider y. So he was stuck in a weird middle place.

[Luke Burbank]

It's kind of hard to. Yeah, it's hard to frame yourself as just like a aw, shucks guy. When you've, like, hosted Saturday Night Live like, twice in the last six months. You have the highest grossing comedy tour in, like, the history of the world. Like, it's good.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Acted like he had every right to be there. I don't think anybody would have been like, you know, because otherwise, why don't you just have anybody? You know, he obviously has a reason for being there.

[Luke Burbank]

I also realized, and again, I'm a big Nate Bargazzi fan as well. But I realized in retrospect, and this kind of plays into maybe at some point if we'll talk about Jimmy Kimmel a little bit. But, like, I realized, oh, this was an extremely safe choice for CBS because he is totally and avowedly apolitical. And in fact, in a way, you could say he kind of skews I wouldn't say he's. Again, I don't know his politics. I wouldn't say he's conservative per se, but definitely, like, he's a guy that the conservative America is not threatened by in any way, shape, or form. And, like, I just. I'm just such a Nate Bargetzi fan that I was like, oh, cool, he's hosting this thing. And then later, I was like, oh, right. They also very intentionally picked him versus somebody else who might have said some stuff that would have gotten them, you know, in trouble or in the crosshairs of the administration or whatever. And so, for some reason, for me, that. And this is not even Nate Bargetzi's fault because, again, I think he's just legitimately so funny. But it kind of. It almost made me to the degree that he is a sort of. Was a tool to keep a network from getting grief from the administration. That kind of bums me out.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Other things that bummed me out this week, not liking the TV show task as much as I wanted to. I love Mark Ruffalo. This is the show that's on hbo. It's by the creator of Mayor of Easttown.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Did you like Mayor?

[Luke Burbank]

I loved mayor of Easttown. Watched the whole thing, was totally riveted. Also, I feel, as I do with a lot of things, Jen, an oversized right to have thoughts about Delaware county, because that's where my people hail from. I mean, really more Philly, per se. But, like, I was, you know, I was. I was trying to explain to people for years how absolutely brutal the Philadelphia County, Delaware county accent is. I have been for years. I was banging on about this, and no one cared to listen. And now I feel like every TV show has to go, oh, yeah, he's going down to get a water ice. Like, one thing is, okay, so it's Mark Ruffalo. He's like an FBI agent who's got some stuff going on in his life. So we meet him. He's, like, doing the recruiting at, like, a community college graduation or something. He's out of the game. And then he gets pulled back in by Martha Plimpton, who, by the way, I love. They should put Martha Plimpton in everything. And he's, you know, he's on this task force or whatever. That's the thing that got me. And again, I don't want to yuck any yum. So if people liked it, then that's great. Maybe I'll re engage with it at some point. I do feel like they are writing the Dialogue in a way that forces the people to say the most Delaware county words of all time. Like, it's just never like, hey, let's drive down to the store. It's like, are you going down to the Wawa? Like, it's so like every person that's talking at all times is delcoing out the hardest. And also his daughter works at Rita's Water Ice. That's like a show set in Seattle where the star, the Mark Ruffalo works at what, Starbucks? And his daughter's job is throwing fish at Pike Place Market. Like, Rita's Water Ice is a theater water ice place to go in.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So ridiculous. This is like me hating on Frasier because Ross isn't way of producing. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

The difference is verisimilitude. We don't, we don't go to Frasier for that. I go to a gritty crime thing for like realism. Not like he's going to try to visit with his daughter. She's throwing fish and listening to Pearl Jam at Pike Place. I was like, when she has the Rita's Water race shirt, I was like, come on, you guys. Okay.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Totally based on your.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Okay. This is my bad. You. Have you watched, how much of the show have you watched?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I watched the first episode. I haven't watched Sundays, but I really, really liked it. Yeah, I loved all the setup. I love the like, what's going on with his son in prison. Like all of it. All the, they set all the mystery upright. I love that the, the robber has a heart of gold.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. That is a smart decision. I like that.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I'm, I'm totally hooked and riveted. I loved it.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. I might give it another chance. I think I was just in a mood because the Mariners lost. That was the other problem. When the Mariners lose an early game, like you know, as in they were playing on the east coast or in the Midwest. I guess not as it went to.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

13 innings, which is also difficult.

[Luke Burbank]

It's. Well, yeah, that's a whole other. When the mariners go to 13 innings and don't win, which thankfully hasn't been the case of late. I get very worried for my brother David because he is the morning producer at Cairo. He has to be at work at like 2:30. But he's also a father of an adorable, beautiful baby named Gemma.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Mariners come first.

[Luke Burbank]

The man gets. No, what I'm talking about is the man is already living with no sleep. And when, when it's like a 13 inning affair for the Mariners, it's like 11:30 at night. And then they lose. All I think of is David just sitting there staring at the tv, like, bereft and about to get up in three hours. But when they lose an early game like they did yesterday, then I'm just like, it's still light out. I'm just like. I'm just like, what do I do with the next? I mean, what I should be doing is prepping for Livewire. By the way, tonight, 7 o', clock, Alberta Rose Theater. We're doing Livewire. Oh, you know who's gonna be there? Mary Roach. We love her. The writer of, like, Stiff and all those books basically about the human body and kind of like the weirdness of the human body. She's a great science writer. But anyway, I should have been prepping for that, but instead I was just like. I had all these feelings about the Mariners losing because we went up four to three, you know, was like in the, like the eighth, and it was like, oh, my gosh. We, like.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I just felt like, oh, Gino's gonna get hot. This is great.

[Luke Burbank]

This team is blessed. Like, we start out down three nothing, and then we fight. This is what good teams do. They hold the other team to those three runs, and then they go up four to three, and then all we gotta do is get through the eighth nut we got six outs. We just need Matt Brash to do his thing. And then. So anyway, they lose, and now I'm just fuming. I don't know what to do. And so then I put on task. Maybe that added to my frustration. Maybe that's on me a little bit.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Could be.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you think that we are. You're also a person again, I don't know what your current status is with your late night stuff, but I know that, like, back when you were doing TBTL and for many years, you had your kind of routines and rituals with the late night shows, the ones that you were into, the ones I don't know if you would watch, tape them, delay them, watch some of them live. Like, I feel like, I mean, obviously the Jimmy Kimmel thing, I find it very upsetting because to me, it really confirms that the Colbert thing was not purely financial. Like, I actually, even though, like, I work at CBS and I'm a big Colbert fan, I was like, believe it or not, I was less, like immediately upset about the Colbert thing than a lot of people were. Maybe they were right and I was wrong. But my thought was, the show does lose a lot of money. And I don't know why any network would keep these late Night programs just don't have the viewers they used to have. So I don't know, maybe also I just didn't want to believe it was politically motivated, but I thought I could see a world in which they really were like, it's costing us money. We're trying to trim the sales. Also, it's not doing us any favors with the administration. We're going to be done doing this show. It wasn't. I didn't feel great about it, but I didn't, didn't seem open and shut to me that it was politically motivated. This Kimmel thing. I don't think there's any way to look at it as anything other than the FCC putting pressure on these stations to take a show off the air because of the joke that Kimmel made. The thing I would say about Kimmel's. The headlines that I'm reading this morning are that Jimmy Kimmel's taken off the air for his jokes about the murder of Charlie Kirk. And what I would say is that's not what the joke was about. The joke was about Donald Trump's reaction to that event. That was the joke. And their premise was Donald Trump did not seem to be particularly upset by it because at a press conference when he was asked about it, he started talking about the remodeling or the building of the White House ballroom. But it's like I see these headlines everywhere that was like, Jimmy Kimmel made a joke about the murder of Charlie Kirk. And to me it was like he made a joke about Donald Trump's reaction, which for some reason, semantically, that matters to me. But I guess what I, what I. The bigger question is like, are we, we're not going to have late night television shows in five years, any of them. And how do you feel about that, Jen?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, I want to feel sad about it except for that I also really haven't watched. Watched it in a long time because of, also because of TikTok. I mean, I, all the bits are. I see them all the next day and enjoy some. And you know, it. I also think that, that it's just kind of feels stale. The, the monologue and the. I don't know, it just. I, I remember when we were in high school and Conan came on. Or was it.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, Conan. Yeah, yeah, we were in high school.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

This is the most incredible, interesting. Yeah, I, I just find it all. I think Taylor Tomlinson did something a little unique and different that was kind of fun. But again, I didn't stay up to watch it. I didn't DVR it. I watched the bits and stuff in the morning on TikTok. Yeah, so I, I haven't really watched in a really long time. But also like, you know, all the monologues are kind of the same. They're kind of all making the same jokes. Just, you know, like, you know, Trump is a little bit low hanging fruit and it's just like the, it all feels a little boring to me.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I feel like I don't like feeling like the administration is, is pressuring networks and stations to take shows off the air because someone hurt his feelings. That to me feels like a really dangerous and bad precedent. That being said, I also am not a regular watcher of those shows and my hope would be that like, like the Jimmy Kimmel's of the World and the Stephen Colbert's are still doing something, but they're just doing it in a different format that I will probably still, I will definitely still watch. You know what I was really, I sort of really loved, except for maybe an episode or two, but even so, I liked the overall thing. Did you watch Everybody's Live with John Mulaney? Did you watch any of that?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And I really. And that has so many tbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

It was like if you would have made me funnier and given us millions and millions of dollars, but it was so tbtl, so tv.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It felt like our show. I really, really liked it.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. So like again, the other thing too that bums me out about this is like Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel will, in their sort of financial and personal life, they will be okay. Like they're both people who could conceivably never work again. And they'll be, they'll be fine for money and they'll always have opportunities. You know, they're very beloved by certain groups of people. I'm really bummed for their staffs and I'm also really concerned for just people that are in the more the trenches of the media. Even people that I work with at Sunday Morning and stuff who are like, you know, really having to be really, really, really, really extra careful. This is what I think of as the chilling effect of anything that's put out there. I'm talking about in stories because even if you're not trying to get the attention of certain people, you could accidentally do it. It could be decided that you're somehow now, you know, creating some sort of speech that they don't like. And then you could just get your career ended. It's so funny because to me it feels like all the people that were so anti Cancel culture have created what is a. Much like Louis CK Is still selling out Madison Square Garden. That's what cancel culture did to Louis CK he just sold out Madison Square Garden multiple nights now. Like, so I think Jimmy Kimmel having his show taken away because he made a joke, that strikes me as more cancel culture than the other thing. And again, I just. Maybe because also I think about it in my own job life, not with tbtl, because honestly, no one hears this or cares, but with my other stuff, it's like. Like, again, I just am. I'm just bummed for the people that work in the media who, again, are not, like, fabulously wealthy. They're just doing regular jobs. Their regular job happens to be doing wardrobe for Stephen Colbert or I don't know what the service. Like, I don't know. The person who drives Guillermo. Do you think Guillermo has a driver now? Probably, who drives Guillermo to Kimmel's show? The other thing that I wonder about is how this is going to go down between Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kimmel, because obviously they're longtime friends from the man show. They're. They're. They're sort of. It seems to me their political paths have diverged. I actually caught a clip of Corolla on TikTok talking about the murder of Charlie Kirk. And the way that he was framing it was very much this, you know, because he was blaming basically the left for it. And I wonder what those two are like, if they're. Even if they're. They talk anymore, if they're able to kind of leave this out of the conversation. They have very much ended up, I think, on opposite sides of these major kind of ways of seeing our political climate right now. And I don't know why I'm losing sleep over Adam Kroll and Jimmy Kimmel's relationship, but for some reason, I am. Do you have any other TV shows that you are digging right now? If I can't get back into task, what should I be watching?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, I think the best show that I've seen in a long time is the Diplomat with Kerry Russell.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, is that. Is that related to the Americans?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No, in no way.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And Rufus. She and Rufus Sewell are married. And they're both diplomats and they're married. And it's a lot of tension in the marriage.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Very exciting. And it's okay. I thought it was the best thing I saw last year.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. What is Department Q?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It's a Scottish murder. No, it's like a. It's a police department, but this Is this, like, department. That's a cold case department. Inside.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, okay.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It stars Matthew. Good. I loved. Loved it.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, this looks. Yes, this looks very much for me. Maybe I can turn Walt onto this, you know, whenever. So me and my dad, for the last, like, I don't know, three, four years have been working on this house together. And by that I mean he comes over, I pay him. I recently found out he's charging me gas, which hurts. That hurts. I'm paying him definitely above the prevailing wage, which I think he deserves. He does great work, the gas. That's. I've never looked at the invoice because I didn't want to know. And then the other day I was like, all right, well, you're buying your own Haagen Dazs, Walt. That's the new. There's a new sheriff in town. Okay. It's called no more Free Haagen Dazs. If I'm getting charged for gas, you're getting charged for Haagen Dazs. But. But we watch they. He and my mom comes down too. Cause my mom is sort of semi retired and really loves this little house. She also loves little house, but she loves my small house that we've been remodeling. So now it's like my mom and dad and they love any kind of British television or anything from. But they. Sometimes it's really good, but a lot of times it's rough. It is literally something that they had on DVD at the Silverdale Public Library. My mom will get something on DVD and then she'll become obsessed with it. It's sometimes, in my experience, not the highest quality British programming. So I need to build up, like, they don't like to watch anything that doesn't involve having the subtitles on because the people are speaking in such a thick either Cockney or Scottish or whatever. So I need to get some things that I can throw at them, like this Department Q that is both satisfying their need to have the subtitles on, but good television that I'm gonna enjoy watching.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Speaking of British, PBS has a show called Miss Scarlet and the Duke.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Also fantastic. It's. She's a. She's a private investigator in, like 1800s.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And the guy that she grew up with her whole life, who was trained by her dad, who was a PI, Is the chief of police. And so they. They are obviously secretly in love, but they're constantly, like, butting heads at the murder scenes because she gets hired.

[Luke Burbank]

Love it.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Your mom would love it. You. I think you would Enjoy it. It's very smart.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm texting my mom right now. Have you watched Miss Scarlet and the Duke? Question mark. Okay, I'll find out.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Australian. I also really love Australian humor. Bisque.

[Luke Burbank]

No, what is it called?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Bisque. F I S K. Okay. That's an Australian comedy. It's on Netflix. It's very funny. It's a little absurdist.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I love. I love this. The guy with the crazy bangs, he's Aaron Chen. Is that his name?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So good. He's hilarious on that show is genius.

[Luke Burbank]

I follow him on TikTok. He is a really funny comedian. Do you?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah. And she who writes it and stars in it, she also is a really funny comedian. And it's very good.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Okay.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I would say it's the office with an Australian sensibility.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, good. I love this. Thank you. For this list, I'm going to apply this as opposed to what I did recently, which was, for some reason, thought it was a good idea to make my dad watch Sexy Beast because it has Ben Kingsley in it. And there was something else with Ben Kingsley, and they love him, you know, when he's in various. I think it was Gandhi, probably. And, you know, I was like, well, he's British. They like British. So I was like, dad, we got to watch Sexy Beast. And I will give my dad credit. He sat through it, but I had totally forgotten that. How unbelievably profane the movie is and how it's. I thought it. Also, my dad likes heist movies. I thought maybe it was a movie about a bank robbery. It's not really. It's a movie about Ben Kingsley yelling the F word. And the see you next Tuesday word. It's pretty much, hey, do you know that this summer I went to Highclere Castle? I went to where Downton Abbey was filmed. I did. Have you and Jason been there?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No.

[Luke Burbank]

It was really fun, actually. Yeah, it's. You can go out there. And the thing that's funny about it, though, is that it is all run by this. This woman who's like, the eighth Duchess of. I forget. Oh, Carnavarn is the name of the family. So Lord Carnavarne. There's this guy, he's like, the 8th Lord Carnavarne. So the OG Lord Carnarvon, whoever that was, like, got. Somehow got this Highclere Castle, right? It's, like, outside of London by, like, I don't know, an hour or something. And so then, of course, when he died, it went to his oldest son or whatever's been Passed on. So you get down to, like, modern day Lord Carnarvarn and then this woman that he marries, I think fairly late in life. Like, it might have been a second marriage to both of them. I believe at the time she was an accountant and they have a couple kids together. And it is very clear her name is, like Lady Fiona Carnarvarn, that she really took to the lifestyle of being the lady of Highclere Castle. And I think they're not even married anymore, but she's just like, I've got this from here. So she has a podcast about being Lady Carnavarne. She has released multiple books. And when you go. And she's really into the history of the Carnarvon family, the downstairs of the house is this whole exhibit basically about her, like, father in law, like, going back, like eight father in laws, looting King Tut's tomb. And mostly her thing is he doesn't get enough credit for being the guy who figured out how to loot King Tut's tomb.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

She's right, because I had never heard about that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, he's not getting enough credit. And I would say leave it that way if I were in the family. But when you go to buy your ticket, everyone is going because they want to see where, like, the Lady Dowager, you know, put a sweet burn on someone. But you can also, for more, for extra, you can buy a tour to the Egyptology exhibit in the basement. And that's not why I'm there. No, that's not why anyone's there. The poor woman who is at the ticket booth at Downton Abbey who has to go, like, and. And for £8 more, you can take the Egypt tour. And everyone's just like, no, thank you. No, thank you. I swear, Lady Carnarvon probably has some kind of like a. Like a secret camera set up or a recording device. She knows if this lady does not offer the Egyptology tour. Also, side note, when you leave, you go through the basement, you kind of see most of it anyway. So just if you're out there and you're. And you buy a ticket, you really don't. The other thing that was funny was they shot all of the. All of the, you know, the servant stuff. The downstairs part of this upstairs. Downstairs. All of that was shot at a soundstage in London. So the upstairs is kind of like where you see them hanging out. The downstairs is not that. So you go downstairs and you're all excited to see, like, where was daisy working and Mrs. Brown and there's just like a very Apologetic docent who has to stand there and go, yeah, the basement's not the same. Yeah, I'm really sorry. They didn't do any of that down here. If you'd like to go that way. Uh, there's a. There's a. There's a snack shop.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

The. The $8 extra reminds me of. I was also on a text thread recently. Same group of ladies. So I'll just refer to them. You'll know. So. So no oxalates, OB or OBEs or sardines. Lady X out. Leonard Skynyrd is coming to town. I just bought tickets in the second row for $350. Who's in then? No. Seed oils. Lady responds, if Lynyrd Skynyrd was paying me $350, I wouldn't go to that.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, I love that response, by the way. I like that this group of people can speak their truth that way. Like, I like that honestly. Because to have to be like, oh, I can't make it right this week, but have so much fun. I wouldn't like that energy. I like that this person is being honest.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, we actually had a whole conversation about the James Corden Justin Bieber carpal karaoke, where Justin Bieber famously said, immediately no. Wait, you have to see. It's immediately no.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, I don't know about this. So they invited him. Did he get in the car or did he turn it down?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yes, they're in the car, and Cordon starts saying, we should do this. Like, we should do the song, but we should do it with this choreography. And he starts doing this little choreography, and Bieber just goes, immediately no. Wow, I've seen what I have to see. And the answer is immediately no. And we had a whole conversation about that because I said, I would rather just do that. And all of us agree we're not going to hurt each other's feelings. Yeah, I don't want to do that. It's an immediate no. So everybody overuses immediately no.

[Luke Burbank]

Now, that's great. I need to think about that in my. I have somebody who threw an invite out to me to go on a trip, and I already know it's probably a no, but I don't know how to tell them because we don't have an immediately no policy. That's a.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

My. My niece, she just invited her friend over for dinner, and her friend showed up with her boyfriend. They're both in their first year of chiropractic school.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

They showed up with a table at the door and said, we're going to give you a free adjustment. And my niece under, she. I have taught her the immediately no policy, but she couldn't choke it out.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

She found herself laying on the table with this strange man giving her an adjustment who is not a chiropractor. And at one point he said, do you know where your pelvic floor is?

[Luke Burbank]

Whoa, no, no, no. That's a immediately no, no. Call the cops. I don't think that should. The terms pelvic floor should never enter the chiropractic conversation with someone who's still in training. You know, I got a chiropractic check at a truck stop recently in Iowa. I did a TV story about the world's largest truck stop, which includes its own in house chiropractor. And he went to the Palmer school of chiropractic. Do you know chiropracty was started in Davenport, Iowa, which is, by the way, where I was staying. Okay, a couple things. First of all, Davenport, Iowa, what a lovely town. It's amazing. You and Jason probably passed through there.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

We sat up above the river and had lunch. And it was just gorgeous.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my gosh. I am like a Davenport apologist. I love it. I can't recommend it highly enough, but what I didn't realize is the Palmer school of chiropractic in Davenport, Iowa is named for this guy Palmer who invented this thing. And the way, and this is, by the way, this is not an urban legend. The chiropractor who chiropracted me at the truck stop repeated the story to me. And I thought I would low key this if I were you. The guy who invented chiropracty said he got the idea because there was a guy who was having some hearing problems and they were somewhere and the chiropractic guy bumped into the hearing problem guy and thwacked his ear. Ear or thwacked his back. And the guy said his hearing came back. And that was the moment that this guy Palmer decided there might be something to this thwacking people on parts of their body like it is, as an origin story goes. And I'm somebody who's been to the chiropractor plenty of times. Some people are very anti, some people are very pro. I'm probably in the middle. I'm certainly, I'm not, you know, I'm not anti. I guess I'm in the middle. But the origin story of it is I want to tell the chiropractors of America. You guys need to low key that origin story.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah, I'm not thrilled about that. I've never been to the chiropractor, but I think that probably cemented that I.

[Luke Burbank]

Found out that my dad. It's funny, I found out that Walt is like. He's not just anti. He's, like violently anti. When he was watching that story that I did about the truck stop. And we have what's called B roll footage, which is just when you're filming somebody doing something, they're not talking to the camera. You're just observing. And it was a different guy, a trucker who's in the chiropractic and the chiropractor is cracking his neck. And like, this is on the TV across the room, this. This story that I did. And the guy is about to crack the guy's neck. And my dad literally goes, don't do it. Like, like irrationally triggered anger, yelling at the television. I was like, oh, okay. Well, I guess we know there's some trauma there. I didn't really want to unpack it on that Sunday morning, but I guess there's something going on with that. Okay, let's talk about this Tyler child. I mean, you suggested a Justin Bieber song, a Kaitlin Butts song, or a Tyler Childers song, which is. Of the three, which one would you like us to go out with today?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Daisies Justin.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, what is going on? Other than having good boundaries with James Corden, which, by the way, I think we all should have had years ago, we've now found. We've now learned what is the latest with old. Just generally just in life. Just what's going on with him. I'm not keeping track.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Released Swag, which nobody knew was happening. And then like two weeks later, he was surprised. Released Swag too. There wasn't enough swag. Like he's. He seems like he's maybe on drugs and whatever, but he's also, like, recording really good albums. Like, a lot of great songs on the.

[Luke Burbank]

I saw. I saw a lot of people on TikTok, particularly black people, saying, light Skin Justin is back. Which I think is a way of saying that his music is very soulful. And I started calling Andrew Light Skin Andrew. He put an end to that pretty quickly. You'll be absolutely shocked to hear.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

You called me Obesogen.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't. I repeated someone calling you Obesogen. And I only feel comfortable with that because you couldn't be less so. All right, so let's do this. Let's go out with a little bit of Daisies by Justin Bieber. And. Hey, Jen, I just gotta say thank you so much for doing this today. It's always really fun to catch up with you. And I say this at the end of every time we have you back on the show, but hopefully it will be sooner rather than later. I just don't want. I know you are running a thriving architecture practice. You're traveling the world. You're going to Scottsdale with a bunch of true lunatics. You have a lot going on, and I never want to be a bother, but just know you have an open invitation anytime because we love you and the listeners really, really love you. They love you to a degree that makes me feel a little bit sad. But that's, you know, that's between me and my betterhelp.com therapist, so. All right, well, thanks, Jen. Thank you, everybody, for listening. We are going to be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio, so please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Thursday. Take care of yourselves. Go Mariners. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And good luck to all.

[Luke Burbank]

Aw, that warms my dang heart Leave.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Me on red, baby But I still get the message Instead of three dots.

[Luke Burbank]

But I can connect them if it ain't right Babe, you know I respect it if you need time, just take your time honey, I get it, I.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Get it, I get it Way you.

[Luke Burbank]

Got me all in my head think I better you and I bed Whatever it is, you know I can take.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It I'm counting the days how many.

[Luke Burbank]

Days till I can see you again?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Power out.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, let me unmute you. Ah, Jen, that was so fun.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

That was great.