#4593 Nap Judgement: Snorytelling With A Beat

Summary

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TBTL Episode #4593: Nap Judgement – Snorytelling With a Beat

Date: November 7, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh

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Episode Overview

In this Friday edition of TBTL, Luke and Andrew continue their delightfully rambling tour through listener-submitted Top Five lists, with an extra focus on the art (and science) of napping. They reflect on the quirks of social etiquette (are you really allowed to drop a dog poop bag in someone else's garbage?), explore the subtle failings of the golden rule, and take loving detours through Seattle moviehouse nostalgia, family oddities, and the philosophical nuances of the perfect nap. Listener submissions drive the episode, leading to energetic discussions, unexpected self-revelations, and more than a few classic TBTL tangents.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dog Poop and Social Norms: The Golden Rule Gets Complicated

• [03:11] Luke recounts disposing of his dog's poop in a stranger's garbage can after a walk—justifying it because he wouldn't mind if someone did it to him.
• Andrew objects, using it to launch a meta-discussion about the flaws of the golden rule:
  • Andrew: "If I treat other people the way I like to be treated... then I'm never wishing anybody a happy birthday. I'm ignoring them on their birthday. I'm giving them extra space." [05:17]
  • They agree that "do unto others" needs an asterisk for social outliers and acknowledge the complexity of social expectations (especially with freaky outliers: "That's a structural error with the golden rule." – Luke, [07:51]).

2. Choose-Your-Own-Adventure Top Five Lists

• [09:00] The hosts explain the show’s concept: listener-generated top five lists.
• List options from Luke’s brother David (DFTB) are previewed, ranging from "Top Five Coffees" to "Top Five Ways to Watch a Movie."
• The hosts opt for the "movie watching" list, with much brotherly banter about David’s work ethic and creative output.

3. Top Five Ways to Watch a Movie: DFTB’s List and the Cinematic Experience

• [13:09] The list, as voiced by David, sparks vivid reminiscence and debate:
  • #5: Watching a Movie on a Plane:
    • "Something really... emotionally gratifying about watching a movie on a plane. Something about your emotions when you're up in the air, movies hit you differently..." – David [13:30]
    • Luke and Andrew both resonate with how air travel amplifies a film’s emotional impact.
  • #4: Midnight Release Premieres:
    • The unique community and excitement ("Everybody's clapping and cheering..." – David [14:08]) of opening-night showings.
  • #3: In a Small Art House Theater:
    • The "highfalutin," intimate feel of a showing at a place like Bellingham’s Pickford; nostalgia for Seattle’s lost indie moviehouses ensues.
    • Luke recalls sobbing through Blaze Foley at the Pickford [15:17].
    • Andrew reminisces about seeing movies at the Harvard Exit, Seven Gables, and going solo to matinees.
  • #2: Movie Night at Home:
    • The ritual of popcorn & pausing, dovetailing with new-parent routines ("It's just our little time together and that is really, really special." – David [17:27]).
  • #1: Alone at the Theater (the Matinee):
    • Both hosts agree: this is an almost religious experience for introverts and cinephiles. Andrew notes, "I love not being responsible for anybody else." [20:13]
    • Luke describes the joy of total autonomy—snacks, seat, silence.

4. Seattle’s Movie History & Shared Experiences

• [24:02 onward] The conversation takes frequent warm detours into collective memory:
  • Remembering now-closed Seattle indie theaters (Grand Illusion, Harvard Exit, Seven Gables).
  • The particular magic of going to an art house matinee, either solo or with friends.

5. Listener-Driven Nap Rankings: The Top Five (Plus!)

• [41:32] Listener Heather calls in with her Top Five Favorite Naps (actually six, with honorable mention):

  • Honorable Mention: The Camping Nap
    • Fresh air and “no-judgment” sleep—“You sometimes running around playing or doing something, maybe you've taken a swim." – Heather [41:36]
  • #5: Post-Breakfast Nap
    • The luxurious post-rowing/early-brunch nap: “It’s really way too early in the day to nap but you’re going to do it anyway.” [41:50]
  • #4: Very Long Nap (When You Roll Over and Keep Sleeping)
  • #3: Post-Mommy-Daddy Times Nap
    • Luke, with classic TBTL frankness: “It’s nature’s trazodone.” [59:03]
  • #2: Between-Two-Kids Nap
    • A unicorn for parents—with both daughters asleep at once: “That tells you how exhausting the process is, how rare that nap is.” – Luke [43:47]
  • #1: The Couch Nap with Sports on TV
    • The ultimate backdrop: “Sports playing on the TV. Couch nap... Maybe someone’s in the kitchen making something good for dinner later. It’s probably a Sunday. Number one nap forever.” – Heather [44:59]
    • Both hosts agree: nothing beats the gentle drone of a baseball or golf broadcast for prime napping.

• [45:44] Listener Chelsea from Iowa adds: The Summertime Outdoor Nap

  • On a porch or screened couch-bed, napping in the open air.

• The hosts compare napping techniques and psychology:

  • Andrew: An “accidental” napper, prone to dozing with a book on the couch, but admits to a subtle shame (“I never really acknowledge that I'm gonna nap. We're all adults here, Andrew. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining." – Luke [50:25]).
  • Luke: A deliberate napper—goes to bed, changes into pajamas, uses white noise.
  • Both discuss the generational and emotional baggage around napping, with Luke crediting his mom for normalizing it.

6. Memorable Music and More Listener Lists

• Quick asides about Houston music legends (Beyoncé, Destiny’s Child, Devin the Dude) prompt classic TBTL genre-hopping.
• Near the close, they read donor messages (with entertaining geography banter) and encourage listeners to keep sending in lists on any topic.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Golden Rule:
  • "Treat other people as they deserve to be treated or want to be treated. You know? Your wants and freaky ass desire should never enter the calculation." – Andrew [08:07]
• On Alone Matinee Movies:
  • "God, I love that. I just love not being responsible for anybody else." – Andrew [20:41]
• On Sunday Sports Naps:
  • “Sports playing on the TV. Couch nap. Maybe someone’s in the kitchen making something good for dinner later... Number one nap forever. I will stand by this.” – Heather [44:59]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Dog Poop/Garbage Can & the Golden Rule: [03:11] – [08:24]
• Intro to Listener Top Five Lists: [09:00]
• DFTB’s ‘Top Five Ways To Watch a Movie’: [13:09] – [25:42]
• Seattle/PNW Movie Theater Memories: [24:02] – [28:31]
• Listener Naps Lists (Heather & Chelsea): [41:32] – [49:07]
• Discussion: Types & Psychology of Napping: [49:07] – [54:30]
• Music/Napping Crossover – Houston Artists, Devin the Dude: [64:38] – [66:27]
• Closing Encouragement for New List Submissions: [67:14]

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Overall Tone

Warm, self-deprecating, and deeply conversational—TBTL is as much about gentle absurdity and affectionate ribbing as it is about the ostensible topic-of-the-day. The episode perfectly showcases the show's unique blend: everyday minutiae elevated by thoughtful banter, intimate nostalgia, and joyful diversion.

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For First-Time Listeners

Even with no prior TBTL experience, this episode is a relatable, gently hilarious meditation on the everyday: why do napping rituals matter? Why does alone-time at the movies feel so exultant? And what does it say about us that we argue about who can use the garbage bin? It’s communal, confessional radio at its best.

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Power out!

Transcript

[Andrew Walsh]

Excuse me. Hi. You're.

[Luke Burbank]

Casey.

[Andrew Walsh]

Casey. You're unbelievable.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, thank you. Thank you very much.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, no, seriously, I'm telling you, you blow me away.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it's really nice of you to.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, no. I'm telling you what you do.

[Luke Burbank]

It's really amazing.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's fabulous.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, well, can we get.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, no. I'm telling you. I'm telling you what you do.

[Luke Burbank]

I really get it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I get what's going on with you. It's amazing. Really great stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, no, no. Really, do me a favor. Say, coming in this week at number one, it's Lyle and Richie who's stuck on you, huh?

[Luke Burbank]

I really don't think I can do it. No, no, no.

[Andrew Walsh]

Come on, do it. Seriously, do it. Come on, do it. Coming in at number one this week is.

[Luke Burbank]

Lionel Richie was stuck on you.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's great. All right, do Shaggy from Scooby Doo. Tbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

So maybe this isn't exactly the most.

[Andrew Walsh]

Polished radio broadcast you've ever heard. It's not that bad, honestly. It is, but it's not.

[Luke Burbank]

I swear, every time this guy talks, all I hear is a turkey goblin. Huh. Meat from the street. Sounds like a fun treat.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm a poet and didn't even know I was rhyming those words. That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Heather (Listener)]

I would say. Can you please stop doing this stuff?

[Luke Burbank]

My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. I'm sorry, I'm tan.

[Andrew Walsh]

I like to be tan.

[Luke Burbank]

It just feels good. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio, perched high above the mighty and roiling Columbia river, where we have made it friends to the end of the week and also to episode 4592 in a collector series, Let the fun begin. Another episode, another attempt at doing some of these top five lists generated by you, the tens of listeners, exactly what America wants. I say attempt because yesterday we were attempting to do them and of course, ended up talking about turnpikes and various other things for Muzak for hours and hours before we actually got to the list. We're gonna do better today, I think. Maybe, possibly, I don't know. We are gonna talk to this guy, though. Longest running cobra of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. I'm not saying I'm worried about him. I'm saying he is getting his weekends Started earlier. And earlier they're trying to say I was drunk. I drank eight beers yesterday. That was all I drank. And yesterday was Thursday. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. In addition to this being a show about top five lists, today's show is also going to be a bit of a choose your own adventure. And it's you, you are the one choosing your own adventure. Because I have a whole bunch of lists here and I like so many of them. And I'm going to give you some options about which ones to play and share. But before we get to that, your first choice is whether or not you want to follow up on something you mentioned at the end of yesterday's show. And honestly, there's no pressure. There's no pressure. I just want to give you the choice. Do you want to choose that adventure or not?

[Heather (Listener)]

I mean, trash is trash.

[Luke Burbank]

I ended yesterday's show by saying Becca and I were recently on a walk and I. Something that I did caused us to have a whole conversation about your garbage anxiety and your blueski account. That is a document, a record of when you put your garbage out. But this is the thing that I did. We were walking around in Portland, Oregon. This was like a couple of weeks ago. I've actually forgotten about this. And then remembered for some reason. We were walking Gigi, the French poodle, and Gigi went to the bathroom and I bagged it up very carefully, tied it up very tightly, and then was carrying it around and around and around. And I eventually did see a garbage can that was. That was available, that was out. And I dropped her poop in the garbage can.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is a. And we gotta be very clear here. This isn't a public garbage can. There's no problem with that person's garbage can. This isn't a dumpster. Now, was the garbage can full of garbage waiting to be picked up?

[Luke Burbank]

Nope.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, God. Yeah. Then there's. I can't.

[Luke Burbank]

It was.

[Andrew Walsh]

What are you doing?

[Luke Burbank]

It was the ab. You know why? Here's. Here's how I justified it. I wouldn't be mad if somebody did this in my garbage can. Well, you would be mad. I wouldn't be mad. Like, I put my garbage. You know, I wheel. Listen, I put my garbage cans on one leg at a time, Andrew, just like everybody else. No, I wheel my garbage up to the county road here where I live and put it out for the garbage mans to take away or to empty out, I should say. And what I know is that if I walked up to my garbage can after it had been emptied and I was wheeling it back down and I looked in it and there was, and again, this is important to me, a very nicely tightly tied bag of dog poop that was in the bottom of it, I legitimately would not be. Personally, I would not be mad because I'd be like, it's a garbage can and I'd rather I saw that than a poop that was undealt with on my street. And so the way I justified this was that because it wouldn't bother me to have it happen to me, I then am allowed to unilaterally decide that it doesn't bother someone else.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, instead of going the obvious and tedious route of me telling you why I get mad when people throw their dog poop in my empty garbage bin and I have to live with it all week we've covered that. But instead I'm gonna turn this into a conversation that we should have about the problem with the golden rule. And you just landed on it. Cause I've been thinking about this for years now. Because as you know, the golden rule states, treat others as you yourself would be treated. But as listeners of this show know, I'm a damn freak when it comes to societal interactions. And so if I treat other people the way I like to be treated, well, then I'm never wishing anybody a happy birthday. I'm ignoring them on their birthday.

[Luke Burbank]

Right.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm giving them extra space on their birthday. And I'm trying to think other things that I do that are so weird in my, you know, kind of things.

[Luke Burbank]

You would like to be.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

The way you would.

[Andrew Walsh]

The way I want people to treat me on certain days is not really in line with how most people navigate their social experiences. So if I actually apply the golden rule, I'm gonna probably ostracize a lot of friends. And this is like, it's a moving target. Treat other people. You applied the golden rule in this literal crappy situation and somebody was the victim of that.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, not to mention, I mean, you're absolutely right. Not to mention that like also the idea of do unto others as the version I grew up with, same idea, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's. That' the biblical version.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. If you're like a. What if you're just like you said, what if you're just a stone cold freak? Like in other words, as long as. As long as you like some freaky ass.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, sorry.

[Luke Burbank]

On the Friday that I had to break out the profanity so early. But if, if you like, if, if you. I mean, there's a lot of. There's a lot of stuff out there that people like that might not be for other people. But then if you like it according to the golden rule, you are then allowed to sort of deploy that on other people, whatever your deal is. I like it when people stand too close to me on the subway.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

I like it when people throw poop bags into my just freshly emptied garbage can. That's somebody's kink. There's an entire, probably an entire web forum dedicated to that. And the premise is, oh, if you like something then, then you can do that to everybody else. And you're right, that is a, that's a structural error with the golden rule.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think the thing is the rule should be do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. Unless you're one of those freaks on 8chan, in which case this doesn't apply to you there.

[Luke Burbank]

Do unto others as you imagine they would like to be done to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because listen, that's honestly the thing. Yeah, that's the thing. The golden rule should be treat other people as they deserve to be treated or want to be treated. You know? Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Your, your, your wants and freaky ass desire should never enter the calculation.

[Andrew Walsh]

Especially mine. That's what I'm saying.

[Luke Burbank]

So, yeah, that was actually nice of you, Andrew. I like how you pivoted the conversation from just like brow beating me over obviously a behavior that I, you're on the record, is not liking and also how you made it about your kind of your quirks and things. So that was really nice. We really took the heat off of me on that whole situation that I, I'm not super proud of. And I am trying to justify it through the fact that it legit wouldn't make me super mad, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't make the person whose garbage can it was super mad. So that's where I'm going out on a limb. How's that, by the way, for efficient conversation?

[Andrew Walsh]

Look at that. We did it.

[Luke Burbank]

Five minutes. We've got time for lists.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Let me transition here into the top five project that we're doing. As I mentioned on yesterday's show, we asked listeners to submit their top five lists on any kind of topic. And yesterday was tons of fun, but we still have so many, so many that we haven't gotten to. And these are fun to sort of like chew on and spend some time with instead of zipping through them. So we will definitely have a lot of stuff that we can use in future shows after we're done today. But I want to give you some choices here, Luke. For starters, I think we're going to start with one list from your brother today. But the thing is, your brother sent in audio messages of five different lists, which when you add it all up together, he sent in without us even interacting, about 20 minutes of audio content. Now we're gonna choose one more.

[Luke Burbank]

That's the only thing longer than his intro tape.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, what's happening here, Luke, as you well know, is David has way too much time on his.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that's the thing that blows my mind.

[Andrew Walsh]

He doesn't. He doesn't work hard enough.

[Luke Burbank]

The man gets up at like 2 in the morning to go into his job producing Seattle's Morning News on Cairo. When that's done, he's dashing off to his restaurant job in betwixt and between, he's taking care of his beautiful daughter Gemma and interacting with his beautiful wife Alicia. He's just. He's also stressing about the Mariners and Seahawks like we all are. I mean, this, the guy's schedule is full and how in the world is he sending us five different.

[David (Luke's brother)]

Whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

Four different top five lists.

[Andrew Walsh]

Five.

[Luke Burbank]

Five different top five lists.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell it. So we're only going to choose one of David's and I'm gonna let you choose which one better older brothers. So the one we're gonna go with from David is going to be which of these top five coffees that's kind of along the line of the beers one, you know, like where you're drinking.

[Luke Burbank]

Your coffee and the Starbucks one that we ended yesterday.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. So maybe, maybe we're. I'm sor. Leaning against that. And I have not listened to all of these yet, by the way. I, on the other hand, do have tons of time on my hands and I did not listen to all of David's messages. We'll listen to them here. Top five hot dogs, top five candy eating situations, Top five ways to watch a movie or top five ways to listen to tbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, God. Well, the final one seems very self aggrandizing for us.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, yes.

[Luke Burbank]

To play. And also something we can't really relate to because we don't. We're not consumers of the show in the way that the listeners are. I think I like the movies one.

[Andrew Walsh]

You like the movie one.

[David (Luke's brother)]

I've got.

[Luke Burbank]

Because I've already got. I've already Got my, like, I've already got my number one movie watching experience. Well, I've got thoughts.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, just say so.

[Luke Burbank]

Can we go with that one?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, let's go with that. I'm moving it over to my player right now. Now this is one. I did listen to some of these, but this is one that I actually legitimately have not listened to. And I'm anxious. A couple of. Two of our other lists have mentioned mommy and daddy times in some way or another as part of all of this dirty. And now I'm wondering now this is movie watching. Is DFTB going to be getting into like making out freak? I mean, that's what do unto others, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Is he dft being unto others? This is such a weird way for me to learn this about my brother.

[Andrew Walsh]

David, if any of these quote unquote watching movie experiences on your list involve like making out during a drive in movie or like doing that thing where you stretch your arms like it's 1950 and you put your arm around your date and for some reason you're always watching a 3D movie because you got those red and blue glasses on. I'm going to be very, very blushing. But let's, let's start with this voicemail from David. Movie watching. Luke, jump in and let me know if you need me to pause on any of this.

[Luke Burbank]

Top five ways.

[David (Luke's brother)]

Pause.

[Andrew Walsh]

You're just testing the system. Yeah. And absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

And it passed.

[Andrew Walsh]

You're like a trucker. Before you get to that hill, you got to test the brakes. Right.

[David (Luke's brother)]

Top five ways to watch a movie. Number five, watching a movie on a plane.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, okay.

[David (Luke's brother)]

You wouldn't think that was.

[Luke Burbank]

That was going to be my. That was going to be my. If it wasn't on the list, I was going to say probably. Well, let's hear, let's hear DFTB's description of it. Then I'll weigh in that this is.

[David (Luke's brother)]

The ideal way to watch a film. Screen's probably pretty small. There's noise happening everywhere. There's a lot of people around. No one's usually watching the same movie at least anymore. But there's something really. And Luke, I know you've talked about this emotionally gratifying about watching a movie on a plane. Something about your emotions when you're up in the air. Movies hit you differently and you're a little more emotional. Maybe the messages of a movie sink in a little more. Something very special about that experience. Number four. And I don't know how many people, how much you, at least Luke and Andrew have Experienced this midnight releases of a movie. This was a big thing when I was a kid. We had all of the, you know, Harry Potter movies, and all of these kind of big teen blockbuster movies would have midnight releases. And you would go to the midnight release and you'd be there with all your friends, and you'd be staying up way too late. And there's that excitement that grows right before the movie comes on. The movie, the title screen comes on, everybody's clapping and cheering. There's something really cool about that experience. Number three is an art house movie.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yes.

[David (Luke's brother)]

It doesn't even necessarily have to be art house, Just kind of like a small theater. You go, maybe you can even get some, like, wine or beer. It's not the type where they bring you the food at the table. I'm thinking specifically of in Bellingham, there's a theater called the Pickford, and they just have a teeny little concession area, but you can get your wine and your popcorn and your little snacks. And there's something that feels very.

[Andrew Walsh]

Go ahead.

[Luke Burbank]

The Pickford is. Well, I mean, I saw many, many movies at the Pickford, including It's the place where I saw the movie Blaze, which is this biopic about Blaze Foley, the singer directed by Ethan Hawke. And I went with Carrie and Addie. I was sitting in between them just sobbing from pretty much the opening scene till the end of the movie. And so, yes, Pickford has a near and dear place to my heart.

[Andrew Walsh]

Did you see that story about Blaze Foley? I think it was maybe the beginning of summer where somebody basically used AI to create new Blaze Foley songs and slipped it into the catalog on Spotify. Yeah, I got a friend who's really pushing me to get off of Spotify, and I think I might need to do it. And so somehow. And I don't know how you can. I don't know how you can enter as an outsider, your work into somebody else's, you know, library. I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

There's probably a vetting process, a tricky kind of deviant way that you can write that, you know, you can basically title your songs and work your songs and work in a way that it confuses a lot of searches. And so people are looking for Blaze Foley and they're getting this fake version.

[Andrew Walsh]

But somehow it ended up in his catalog, I believe. And I do think that that person is banned and they got rid of him or whatever. But, yeah, so a big.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like of all the people, because if you know the story of that guy, it's not like somebody figured out how to AI their way into the Rolling Stones catalog. It's like the whole story on this Blaze Foley guy was like, he was a person who really struggled in his life. He struggled with alcoholism. He. His life was pretty broken outside of this one thing, which was making this music that was really from the heart and that was really appreciated by a lot of other people who went on to be bigger and more famous, like Townes Van Zant and Lucinda Williams and stuff like that. So the idea that that'd be the person that you're applying the AI version to, like, of all of the people you could do it, this guy was absolutely anathema to whatever the AI of life is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah. I just double checked to make sure I had the details on that. Right. But yeah, it was Spotify and it was Blaze Foley. Ok, so back to movie watching.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you for making me sad.

[David (Luke's brother)]

And they just have.

[Andrew Walsh]

Ironically, that is the name of a Blaze Foley song, Latino.

[David (Luke's brother)]

And that's a discussion area. But you can get your wine and your popcorn or your little snacks. And there's something that feels very intimate about. It feels fun. Usually you're seeing a movie that you can't see in the big theater. Something that feels a little highfalutin about it. You know, you feel a little more sophisticated than. Than the people going to the AMC or whatnot. It's not in every movie experience. You only want to see certain movies there. But it is fun in its own. Number two is movie night at home. For me, this has become after the baby goes to sleep, my wife and I get to watch our movie. And it means we're probably staying up really late. We're watching our way through a movie, we make popcorn. It's just our little time together and that is really, really special. And maybe that's only special to me and my wife, but there's something really great about being at home. You get to choose the movie, you can pause at any time you need. You get to have all your own snacks and you just get to kind of settle in. And, you know, now we all have these huge TVs, so it doesn't feel like you're taking that much away from the movie theater experience. And the number one, Andrew, I hope you'll agree with this one. It's being alone in a movie theater. That being you're not with anyone. And it's a mostly empty theater because you're going for a matinee. You're going for a matinee of a movie that's probably been out for like a month and you're there and you just get to kind of luxuriate in the theater yourself. It doesn't even really matter what the movie is. You, you're there to be in that space. You're mostly alone. You don't have to worry about people talking. You just get to kind of zone in or zone out, in my case.

[Luke Burbank]

As zone in, zone in whatever direction you care to edible.

[David (Luke's brother)]

And you just get to kind of key into the movie. And that's a really nice experience.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, before I had not heard this list ahead of time. And so I was taking little notes to remember what's on David's list and then notes that I would add potentially. And I had added at the very beginning, midday, by yourself movies. And that is exactly what David's number one is. And I couldn't agree more. I love, I can tell you the movies. Well, not all of them, but I know that I saw Lincoln like that. I remember I was working the early, early morning shift, actually. I was literally working the shift that DFTB is working right now at Cairo. And so I got off of work at like noon or something like that, having gotten there at like 2 in the morning, 3 in the morning. And I went to see Lincoln, which is like a three hour movie. I think I nodded off at one.

[Luke Burbank]

Say that that feels like you're, you're taking Trazodone.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's the only time I remember sort of nodding in a movie theater just for a little bit of it. And I nodded for like probably two minutes and then I felt great. I remember seeing Fantastic Mr. Fox that way, which is remains one of my, well, I don't know, favorite movies. But it was such a good experience seeing that. So anyway, there are others on that list, but those are the, those are the big ones. And God, yeah, I love that. I just love not being responsible for anybody else.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that was, I think maybe added to my rapturous response to one battle after another was that I saw it by myself. I was almost the only person in the theater, as I told you. I somehow ended up sitting initially next to a couple that was talking loudly and then I just moved because there was a thousand empty seats in the theater. But yeah, the fact that like, I stayed, I waited until literally there were no more like, words on the screen afterwards because I was, I was so into the movie and watching the credits and trying to figure out, you know, who did what and listening to the music even at the end. Like, I, I could buy whatever Snacks I wanted. I could sit wherever I wanted. I didn't have to do, like, make a conversation with, you know, it would have been likely, like, Becca or something, but I didn't have to kind of like the idea that I was totally and completely the captain of my own ship to watch that movie. I bet you that made me have even more. Get even more enjoyment out of the experience.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah. I always say that, like, you know, that. That Bowling Alone book, was it William Putnam? I can't remember his first name. Hey, good.

[Luke Burbank]

Putnam.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's definitely a Putnam. He was a New Hampshire guy, so it sticks in my head. But, you know, Bowling Alone. Robert Putnam. Robert Putnam. As the idea of something like, you know, we don't live in a society where people are bowling alone. It's always like, dude, bowling alone is sweet. You don't have to wait for anybody. You can kind of really get into a rhythm. Luke, this. We'll get onto another list here in a second, but I'm having another moment. Where was it yesterday on the show? I couldn't remember the word turnpike. Now I'm having a problem remembering what movie I saw maybe about a month and a half ago. I know we talked about it on the show. I saw it by myself. Not as far back as Friendship, but remember I was telling you I was in the wrong theater and I was by myself and they started to play.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, they started to play the Paul Giamatti. No, you were trying to.

[Andrew Walsh]

What was I trying to watch?

[Luke Burbank]

There was too much Paul Giamatti in it or not enough Paul Giamatti.

[Andrew Walsh]

I saw his name.

[Luke Burbank]

What you were sitting in was the new Downton Abbey movie.

[Andrew Walsh]

Downton Abbey. Yeah. And that's what I.

[Luke Burbank]

What were you trying to say?

[Andrew Walsh]

But what was I trying to see? Because I saw one battle after another. I swear I saw that with Genevieve. I saw weapons.

[Luke Burbank]

This was something much darker or more serious. And that's why the kind of like the font of the credits and the kind of like, the whateverness of it, of this Downton Abbey movie or whatever they're calling it, was off to you.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what? It was one battle after another. Sorry, I didn't have to do that whole thing. It was that. Because I was like, I saw that with Genevieve. But no, I didn't. Genevieve ended up seeing that twice. I only saw it once, but we saw them all. Three watchings were not together. She went with two different friends for hers. Now, I was surprised that Genevieve was going to rewatch a movie in the theater, because usually that's my move when I really like something. I almost went to see Sinners a second time. I never ended up getting to the theater. But that's one that I would maybe consider on this list, or at least something that would be close to this list would be the in theater rewatch of a movie. I think that there's something special about that.

[Luke Burbank]

I could. Yeah, I mean, you know, not to just go on and on, but, like, I would see one battle after another in the theater for a second time. And considering how long it is too, like, that's really saying something. I have not yet had a chance to see it with Becca. So if she. If she's on a particularly rainy day, if she's like, let's go see that and it's still in the theater, I'll absolutely do that, which is the highest compliment that I can pay a movie like that. Now, to one other thing that was on David's list, the art house cinema.

[Andrew Walsh]

I.

[Luke Burbank]

It's absolutely one of my most favorite ways to see a movie and movie experiences, and also a very nostalgic one for me because particularly where I live now, there isn't any kind of art house theater. I mean, I guess when I'm in Portland, Becca and I will go sometimes to the, like, it's called 21st or Cinema 21 on 21st Ave. We saw the French Dispatch there and we saw. Oh, well, we saw Friendship in a theater at the Hollywood Theater in Portland. But, like, when I think about art house theater, I think about a period of my life that was just so great, which was like, my 20s. And like, I don't think in my 20s this might sound pretentious or whatever. I don't know if I ever went to, like, that's not true. I did go to the regular, like, giant chain movie theater because sometimes I'd take Addie to, like, a Harry Potter movie or maybe Series of Unfortunate Events. We would see, like, a big Disney movie if it came out and she wanted to see it. But, like, almost all of my moviegoing was always just going to these, like, the Grand Illusion in Seattle or, like, some small art house movie theater in Seattle. It'd be playing something that was really specific to my interest, Whether it be like, a documentary about something I liked or a movie from a filmmaker that I really liked. By the way, I'll include, like, the guild, 45th, and just, you know, Robin Hood. They're just with the, like, the seven gables. I mean, like, that Seattle used to be full of art house theaters, and they were always Playing some kind of movie that I was interested in. And I'd go with my friends and it would just be like, I don't know, I was more so than even being a person who went to live music. What I really went to a lot was just like movies that I wanted to see that were playing in a smallish theater somewhere. The Broadway exit. I'm just now naming movies Harvard Exit.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because I was thinking about that one. Yeah. One of my favorite memories was like going, this is kind of a combination of several things on David's list. But like, I'm pretty sure, and it's a bummer that it was a Woody Allen film. But, you know, before everything completely blew up about his past and his transgressions, I remember, I think it was probably Blue Jasmine. I don't know. Is that era of Woody Allen. Yeah. Was that. I may be getting him confused, but I remember going to the Harvard exit, getting a little bag of popcorn, going up into the balcony. And I believe it was like a 2 o' clock showing or something. I was able to walk there from my little apartment and seeing it by myself and just sitting in the front row of the balcony and just sort of like leaning up against the balcony, like, God, I love that experience. And you're right, that experience. Even the independent theaters around here, I love the fact that organizations like SIF are trying to save them as much as possible, but a lot of them have gone away. What was the one that was right there in the university or on the edge of the university district that burned down after being abandoned?

[Luke Burbank]

That was the Seven Gables.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was the Seven Gables, yes. Where I saw a screener of pirate radio with Ross Reynolds in the middle of the day.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God, how great.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why does David not have private screeners with Ross Reynolds in the middle of the day on his list?

[Luke Burbank]

He's a kid. He doesn't know weird rossophonic history, so he's doomed to repeat it.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

But really, like. And again, not to sound like a snob, but the fun. I don't know, it's fun to go to those movies because you kind of. This actually sort of happened when we went and saw that movie Friendship, which was. We ended up chatting with a bunch of people in our section of the theater. And by the way, the Hollywood Theater in Portland is huge. It's like. It's not like it's a tiny little room. At least the main theater is a very large theater. But we just were all clustered together because again, everybody wants to kind of be middle, middle. And we were just like. And the folks that we ended up talking to in our row, they. This was their second time seeing it. They had seen the movie, you know, I don't know, a few days before and wanted to see it again or whatever, but it was like. There's something about going into one of those places where you feel like, oh, I'm. I'm kind of already among, like, kindred spirit. Like, I'm just. I'm with a bunch of people who all saw this thing listed in, by the way, the Alt weekly and wanted to go to it. And that feeling of community and of just like, we're all gonna see this movie. And it. Who knows? It might be a dud, but we're all gonna see it together. Because it was on that page of the Stranger that lists the movies and the movie times, and we came down here, and somebody, probably a, you know, failed filmmaker, is wearing a tattered white collared shirt with a tie, because that's the uniform. And they're selling us our ticket and selling us our popcorn, and the. The carpets are ratty. But, like, I don't know, there's just, like, about all of that is just such a good. It's such a warm memory for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Here's my proposal to you, Luke. I said a lot of choose your own advisor.

[Luke Burbank]

Is it indecent? Because those are the only proposals that I'm entertaining on this Friday.

[Andrew Walsh]

It will be if I shed this shirt. How would you feel about thanking some donors and then coming one more top five list to end the week?

[Luke Burbank]

I'd feel so great about that.

[Heather (Listener)]

Thank you, baby.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, let's thank those donors, those aforementioned donors, those fine folks who are. I consider this the art house movie theater of podcasting, Andrew. It's a questionable business model. It's run by failed filmmakers, and it's a miracle that it exists. And yet here we are.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know. You know what I appreciate the most about our listeners, Luke? They didn't leave us listless today.

[Luke Burbank]

No, they didn't.

[Andrew Walsh]

They gave us a lot of lists. We are not.

[Luke Burbank]

You didn't have to say that second part. I picked up the joke.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, there was a long, long, long pause where there was no reaction.

[Luke Burbank]

I was reflecting quietly on what a good joke.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was. Good.

[Luke Burbank]

And you know who else was reflecting quietly and maybe loudly on it? I don't know, was Becky Callahan, who's in Elk, Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Ah. Is Elk kind of rural? Are there a lot of Elk?

[Luke Burbank]

That's in Belltown Yeah, it's like, right exactly in the heart of Seattle.

[Andrew Walsh]

Whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

That's one of the busier neighborhoods. Elk, Washington. Boy, that sounds. That sounds like a place where you, Andrew, took call back to some show some time ago. If you were hiking, you'd rather be hiking in Elk, Washington than in, you know, somewhere in the dry desert Southwest. That sounds like a place full of a lot of Northwest plants that are very green.

[Andrew Walsh]

I feel like there's a pond where I could go fishing for bluegill.

[Luke Burbank]

Or just maybe. Wash yourself off.

[Andrew Walsh]

Or just wash myself off. Exactly. One of those sirens, you know, you come upon me in the woods.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yes. I love it. And there's a little. You're in real life, but there's a little cartoon fairy dust coming off you or sprites or like, you know, birds or something maybe.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Blue bird.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm looking right now, actually. I have breaking news, Andrew. Elk, Washington is not in Belltown. It turns out it is, in fact, in a fairly rural part of the state. It looks like it's sort of. It's northern Washington in terms of being close to the Canadian border and kind of central Washington in terms of being kind of in the middle of the state.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, it is. Wow. That's very, very far east compared to where we are. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

And yet to think of Becky Callahan there in Elk, Washington, listening to this. I love it. That makes me so happy. Thank you, Becky. And supporting the show, too.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks also to Kevin Wilson, who's in Portland, Oregon.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. Now that's in Belltown, Seattle, that is.

[Luke Burbank]

And home still of many art house theaters. And let's all please support them down there in Portland the way Kevin Wilson is supporting us here on the show. Look who's next. It's a real family affair, apparently, Andrew. We've been playing my brother DFTB's movie list, and now we're thanking my sister Hannah Nelson in Grape View, Washington. That's where you can see the grapes from.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

Yep. You can have. I think I've told you this before, but it's clear that my dad's love language is making road signs for my siblings who live in rural areas. And there wasn't a road sign on their. On their driveway. Have I told you about this?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, you have most certainly have not.

[Luke Burbank]

It's pretty funny, I think, for both my sister Hannah and my sister Liz, who both. They live in kind of out, you know, again, out in like, rural areas of. Of Washington state, actually, and then down kind of long, kind of gravel country road Type of deals where the. Whatever it would be, the county doesn't decide, doesn't. Doesn't put a. Like a road sign on your specific kind of gravel entrance to the way to get down to where you are. And in both cases, I believe for my sister Hannah, my sister lives. My dad has made an incredibly realistic looking and possibly illegal road sign for them that says their road.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now, this is a road that is not shared by any neighbors or it is shared by some neighbors. Okay, so it's shared by some neighbors. Do you need sign off for the neighbors?

[Luke Burbank]

Because I want to appreciate it.

[Andrew Walsh]

It doesn't bring more traffic. It doesn't confuse travelers to think that this is a more legit road that leads somewhere useful.

[Luke Burbank]

My guess is that the trade off is your friends and family who you would like them to actually get to. You now actually know which gravel driveway they're supposed to turn down. So maybe the benefit outweighs the. I haven't heard from my sibs. Although, of course, my siblings, being great people, they're on good terms with everyone. They live nearby, so unlike you. So they J.K. j.K. Rowling. Wait, how do I make that worse for you? Get somebody who everyone's mad at. J.K. simmons. Sorry.

[Andrew Walsh]

There we go. Oh, J.K. claim it.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. We are farmers. Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump.

[Andrew Walsh]

Andrew, I am a very mean drum teacher. Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump.

[Luke Burbank]

And when I said Andrew, I meant Andrew Tantio of Kensington, Maryland. Andrew, if you are living on a road in Kensington that does not have a proper sign, I know the guy for you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it Donovan doesn't don't have a song about South Kensington Street?

[Luke Burbank]

I bet he does.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why am I asking? Why am I asking it? Hey, Luke, doesn't Donovan have a song called Sunny South Kensington street off of the album Mellow Yellow?

[Luke Burbank]

That's like me asking you, doesn't Mary Lou Lord do a song by that name?

[Andrew Walsh]

So, you know, let's just listen a little bit.

[Luke Burbank]

I like this. Come take a walk in sunny South Kensington any day.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, it's. There you go. I like that you can't tell what era it's from. It's timeless.

[Luke Burbank]

We start. You know, the whole Donovan plot on this show was kind of about you really liking Donovan. And I feel like sometimes you sort of. You'll make a joke about, like, you liked Donovan too much or whatever. But I swear to God, the more Donovan that you play on the show, the more I like Donovan. Legit. Like, it's. I. It's a vibe And I'm kind of into it, actually.

[Andrew Walsh]

Some of it's pretty cringey. But yeah, I. There's still some stuff you hear. And again, I do think it's like I was just absolutely living in the Donovan world for a long time. Whereas now, once a year, if I hear a song like that, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's pretty groovy. I think you would have to describe that song as groovy. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

I think because I've got a couple of like Pandora stations. Yes, I am the person keeping Pandora.com.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, it's a lot like Pantera.

[Luke Burbank]

Uh huh. Because I do have a couple Pantera stations. I have seen Pantera live now, Andrew. I will tell you, I saw Suicidal Tendencies and Pantera open for Metallica.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

So I'm fully. I've got my full metal cred. But no, because I have a couple of like a Paul Simon. Like a Paul Simon Pandora station that's starting with like a kind of older Paul Simon. Occasionally that will bump up against Donovan. Or I think I also have a Nick Drake. If you start playing Nick Drake on a, on an, on an algorithmic station, you're gonna get some Donovan.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I could see that.

[Luke Burbank]

And when I hear the Donovan stuff, I like it. I really do. So I want to honor that right now. Did Donovan write any songs about Seattle, Washington that you know?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, but someone did. Was it Burt Bacharach?

[Luke Burbank]

The bluest skies you've ever seen are in Seattle? Is that what you were thinking?

[Andrew Walsh]

That is. But that's not Burt Bacharach, is it?

[Luke Burbank]

That was, I think that was from what the. Like, wasn't that from a television show that was called like the Marriage of Bobby Sherman or Seven Brides for Seven Brothers or some crazy whack ass name?

[Andrew Walsh]

It's funny, a friend of mine just sent that song to me and said, I think you already know about the song. Probably right? I'm like, I do. And then he's like, do you know it was a theme song to a TV show or something and sent the opening of that. But I'm looking for what it is. Oh, Here Come the Brides with Here Come the Bride, which was set in 19th century Seattle. I've never seen that show before.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way. This is Kim Kerr in Seattle Washing, we're thinking right now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, Kim. Sorry to get off track.

[Luke Burbank]

No, but like, what's it called again? It's called Here Come the Bride.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm looking it up now.

[Luke Burbank]

Then who did the song the Bluest let's see here.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my gosh. Hugo Montenegro is the person who composed the song who he's most famous for. He's most famous for doing. He actually sort of is actually the artist behind the most popular version of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly songs. The one that appears in the movie is not the one, I think, with.

[Luke Burbank]

The weeping of this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, right. But Hugo Montanagar, I was digging in some of his songs recently because he had some really funky stuff too. Not funky, but like, kind of cool 60s stuff too. And I knew him as the band leader who did like the arrangement of the Good, the Bad and the Ugly that kind of blew off the charts. Blew off.

[Luke Burbank]

So you did know who that was. I thought you were kind of joking about it being a random name, but.

[Andrew Walsh]

You actually know who that person is. Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Anyway, well, listen, thank you also to Megan Raqueta, who's in Houston, Texas.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, nice.

[Luke Burbank]

Houston. On Monday, we can do a whole thing on songs that have Houston in them. I'm gonna go mostly like, top five Houston songs. You get some. You get some Paul Wall in there, I'm sure. I'm just. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm mostly gonna be thinking about hip hop because that's my. That's most of the connection I have to Houston. I think Ghetto Boys were from Houston. Oh, really?

[Andrew Walsh]

I didn't know.

[Luke Burbank]

I believe they were also. You've got. Krongbin is from Houston, but they don't really. I don't feel like they name check Houston much in the music. They're mostly.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, they're not saying.

[Luke Burbank]

Doing an instrumental vibe.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I've looked this up. I know that we're not supposed to be doing this now. You want to do it later. But now this is just the top Google results, so I want to make sure I'm right about this. But are the Noel Sisters Noel. Beyonce.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And Solange. They're from Houston. See, I don't think I know that.

[Luke Burbank]

But how much successful music have they made?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I just mean if we're looking at niche artists.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Oh, gotcha. Like, sort of Bobby Sherman.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. They're also. They're listing Beyonce, Solange, and Destiny's Child, which, I mean, I guess fair enough. But you're.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah. Dude said Destiny's Child was a whole thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know, but I mean, it's Beyonce.

[Luke Burbank]

Say my name.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I'm just saying it's Beyonce. It just sort of feels like we're kind of padding out the list here a little bit. It could be Beyonce slash Destiny's Child, which I guess is disrespectful to the rest of the members of Destiny's Child.

[Luke Burbank]

Trying to think, oh, Kenny Rogers, ZZ Top. It says here, Megan the Stallion, Chameleon Air. Wait, is it a Chameleonaire's wedding, Andrew?

[Andrew Walsh]

It could be. Should we get to another list?

[Luke Burbank]

I apologize.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right, what do we want to do for our next list here, Luke? Let's do one more of these and I will. I'm not going to give you the names attached because I don't want anybody to feel like they are.

[Luke Burbank]

Are there other siblings of mine that could contribute to today's episode?

[Andrew Walsh]

Only your brother, because your brother has four more. We've given him his list today.

[Luke Burbank]

Too much airtime.

[Andrew Walsh]

Here are some more options for you, and I will tell you if they're audio or email, and I don't know if that's going to affect your decision making. We did get a top five naps. I had done a call out for, like, top five naps and somebody said, oh, I already have a list for that. So they called it in. We also have top five TBTL segments that I miss. I did listen to that one, by the way. It's not hurtful. It's just an interesting trip down that.

[Luke Burbank]

I was wondering if this is all be from the first six months of the show.

[Andrew Walsh]

Things exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

I can't remember and things I shouldn't remember.

[Andrew Walsh]

And then there. Those are all voicemails that we could do. We could also do a. An emailed list here that is top five movies that are better than the book. And that's kind of interesting. And I think those are going to be your. I've already got a top five showers, I guess would be another.

[Luke Burbank]

I like, listen, napping is. Napping is to me as showering is to you, Andrew. And so. And I have. I. I take a lot of naps and I think about naps a lot. And I would like to hear about this listener's list of top five naps, if that's all right.

[Andrew Walsh]

You can. And I'm going to tell you something interesting about this list. We had one listener who called in with her top five naps and then another listener who just wanted to add one more nap to the list.

[Luke Burbank]

Perfect.

[Andrew Walsh]

Which I was like, that's so interesting. How did one listener know that the other listener already did this? But I think it's perfect.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know why? Because these people are well rested. Think about it.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's totally right. Exactly. So we're going to start with the full top five list and this comes from listener Heather.

[Heather (Listener)]

Hi Luke and Andrew, this is Heather from Bopple and I'm calling We already had this list going before you asked for top five favorite. These are my top five favorite naps. Okay. Honorable mention is going to be the camping nap. You go outside, there's lots of fresh air. You sometimes running around playing or doing something, maybe you've taken a swim. The camping afternoon nap. Number five, the post breakfast nap. So this is when it's really way too early in the day to nap but you're going to do it anyway. It's either in college it was I got up to go rowing and it was really early. We were to the cafeteria and then we went to bed at like 8am These days it would be a post brunch nap where maybe you've had some Baileys and coffee or mimosa and it's like maybe 11am Noon. Number four, very long nap. This is just a nap where somehow you've got kind of a free day. You wake up from your nap and you realize it's okay to keep sleeping. You roll over and you keep napping.

[Luke Burbank]

Stay in line.

[Heather (Listener)]

This is as Luke likes to say, mommy daddy times. This is the post mommy daddy times afternoon nap freak self explanatory.

[Andrew Walsh]

I told you they're horny on number.

[Heather (Listener)]

Two between two kids nap. When I had my second daughter there was a day I think maybe a week into my second daughter's life where somehow I got my two year old daughter and my one week old daughter to sleep between me and take a nap. I think that maybe happened a couple of times but it was just very.

[Luke Burbank]

Andrew, can you pause figure out if you want to know if you want to understand parenting in a nutshell because you're somebody who's you know, consciously made the choice not have that be part of your life. As a parent of only one I will say parenting in a nutshell is the fact that Heather remembers the specific nap in which her children both were sleeping at the same time. That tells you how exhausting the process is, how rare that nap is.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was years ago.

[Luke Burbank]

I get the idea it was possibly decades ago. It was 40 minutes and to this day Heather remembers those 40 minutes.

[Heather (Listener)]

Me and take a nap. I think that maybe happened a couple of times but it was just very special to figure out that our family was complete and they somehow both fell asleep and I could fall asleep. That one is very specific to me. The between two daughters, one of them being a newborn nap. Number one, very best.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wait a second. Is this top six? Did I, did I miss 1, 2, 3, 4.

[Luke Burbank]

I've got four.

[Andrew Walsh]

We have camping.

[Luke Burbank]

Camping.

[Andrew Walsh]

Breakfast.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. The midday very long nap.

[Andrew Walsh]

Very long. Mommy, daddy.

[Luke Burbank]

Gross. Freak nap.

[Andrew Walsh]

Mommy, daddy. Times between kids, that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, between kids is. You're right.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I guess this is a top six list. Heather, go ahead with your six.

[Luke Burbank]

It also, by the way, it's interesting the ordering of these things because you have post sex nap and then boom.

[Andrew Walsh]

Life comes at you fast.

[Luke Burbank]

Now you're napping between kids.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

No glove, no love, people. That's what I'm saying.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now. I think the number one here is the one that I was thinking. This would be my number one nap, if I, if I recall correctly.

[Heather (Listener)]

Sports playing on the tv. Couch nap. So there's some sports on the tv. Maybe golf, some kind of sport that is not a sport that you actually care about the outcome of this particular game anyway. And there's just kind of some crowd noise and some announcer noise. You're asleep on the couch. Maybe someone's in the kitchen making something good for dinner later. It's probably a Sunday. Number one nap forever. I will stand by this. Sports playing on the tv. Couch nap.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Power out.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was the number one that I was thinking of as well.

[Luke Burbank]

Phenomenal list. Heather, should we hear, should we talk about this before you ask a little bit?

[Andrew Walsh]

Let's, let's get, let's get Chelsea in here. Chelsea wanted to add one and then we'll, we'll, we'll compare and contrast.

[Heather (Listener)]

Hey guys, this is listener Chelsea from Iowa. And I'm thinking of top five ideas and I kept thinking about naps. So your top five naps. I don't have a list myself right now, but I have been thinking about the warm summer afternoon nap outside. We just got one of those couch bed dealies for our screened in porch. And this summer I made use of that a lot. It was very lovely.

[Andrew Walsh]

That sounds great.

[Heather (Listener)]

Yeah. Just another idea for you.

[Luke Burbank]

Bye.

[Andrew Walsh]

I hadn't thought of that one. That's great if you can fall asleep outside. Like I remember going to a park with Genevieve in la. What's the main park that has, is it Silver Lake? I think it's Silver Lake, right? Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

With the reservoir.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And I remember trying, I remember sitting down under a tree. It was like idyllic. We sat down underneath a big tree. We're going to try to take a nap. And then Genevieve was able to nap and then I Couldn't fall asleep. I don't know if it was just like the ground and the roots or whatever and I wanted to nap so badly and I couldn't. And I still. I still regret it. I'm still chasing that nap.

[Luke Burbank]

I have never been able to nap outside and sleep outside. It's some sort of a. Like a primal thing where I cannot fully relax. Now, the funny part is every person that I've ever been in a serious relationship with, that's been the only place they can nap.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, really?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Like, I don't know. Again, in my experience, this is somewhat gendered, but I don't know if it always is. But it's like there are certain people. Again, mostly people that I'm married to or dating who. If I. Because I'm a big indoor napper. I'm a big, like, hey, I'm gonna go. I'm just gonna go lie down for let's. A Saturday or a Sunday or whatever. And I just feeling a little sleepy and I'd like to take a nap. And they're like, yeah, I really can't nap. But if we're outside on a picnic plank and there's like just enough activity going on, just enough sound, but not so much that it's like jarring or distracting, that is, for whatever reason, what allows their brain to take a nap. And that's been consistent with everybody I've ever been in a relationship with, is that there are people that can nap on a picnic blanket outside, which I can't do, but are not really able to. Just close your eyes at two in the afternoon on Sunday in the bed environment and then just go back to sleep. Which is, for me, weirdly, as a person who, again, I don't nap as much as I used to because I learned that a lot of that was just being hungover. But I still do enjoy a nap. But my thing is for being a person who naps as much as I do. I'm not somebody who can just like, I'm in the waiting area of the airport and I just.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm in the chair and I close my eyes and I catch a few.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, me too.

[Luke Burbank]

Or even, like, I don't really nap on the couch very effectively. I kind of. My thing with napping is I go get in my actual bed. I will change out of my clothing, I will get in some sweats. I will get into my real ass bed and close my eyes and nap that way. Which is a kind of a pretty involved process. Most people, when they nap, I Get the sense it's because they were lying on the couch watching golf and they just kind of snoozed a little bit. For me, I take it much more seriously. I consider this to be another sleep. And so I kind of like do the whole thing as if I'm going to sleep again, which I think is a little bit unusual.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm definitely not like that. I don't know if other people are, but I was a little bit surprised to hear that. That, like, you were like, oh, you're getting. You prepare for a nap. Whereas, yes, my whole thing, the majority of my naps are what. I was almost wondering if this is an addition to the list, but I don't think so. I think this is just how I.

[Luke Burbank]

Always prep naps, which is, yes, charge up your batteries.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, it's the during for me. It is always the fake accidental nap, if that means anything to you. I always find myself napping when I lay down for just a second in the middle of the afternoon. I say, I don't really have time for. I don't have time for this. I'm not actually napping here. I'm just gonna lay down for a second and I'm gonna read whatever book I'm reading on my phone, right? And so I just lay down for a second. I open up that book and then of course. Or the sports thing, you know, maybe I'm just gonna lay down for a second. I'm gonna put on whatever random baseball.

[Luke Burbank]

Game that you don't care about some.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna put on this Cardinals game or whatever. No, no offense to St. Louis. You just. Random Marlins game, drive to left from Castellano. And I'm going to just. I'll be like, I'm just gonna watch this for a little bit. And then you fall asleep. And of course you knew you were gonna fall asleep. Like, we're all adults here. Andrew. Don't. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. That's another thing.

[Luke Burbank]

And also, just don't even piss. I don't care what you tell me is happening. We have a strong no head pissing policy on the head.

[Andrew Walsh]

I have a top five list of things you can tell me it is when you're pissing on my head. Maybe we'll get to that in another show. But anyway, it's just like, I never really acknowledge that I'm gonna nap. I'm just gonna sit down here for a second and read a little bit and we'll just see what happens.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you feel. Cause on some level, and I know you're a very. I appreciate this about you, you're a really nonjudgmental person about other people's behaviors generally. So I know you don't exactly probably want to say this, but on some level, at least for yourself, do you feel like there's something a little. A little. A little lazy about napping?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

So you kind of don't really want to admit that you're doing it?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I think so. I think it does. That is probably something. Primal is a really raw word to use there. But I do think it has something to do with my upbringing that, like, you know, it's not like my dad never took a Dagwood style nap or.

[Luke Burbank]

Something like that, but I bet you couch related.

[Andrew Walsh]

But. Or I think this easy chair that he had. Yeah. And. And. But like, you know, the idea of just like, oh, I'm just gonna take a break in my day and go lay down. It just wasn't something that we did, you know. And so because of that, yeah, I probably do. In the same way, I don't like eating potato chips out of the bag. You know, you can eat as just as many, but as long as you're putting them on a plate next to a sandwich, like, somehow it's not as bad. It's just like literally the. The stereotype that we always see on tv. And again, I'm not. I'm not actually judging other people here, but I'm saying, what do. What does it signify in any kind of pop culture thing when we see somebody sitting on a couch watching tv, eating chips out of a bag that's never. Or it's very, very, very rarely a scene of somebody who's doing well. Right? Yes. And it's. So these things are just like, kind of in my head. Like, I. And I definitely do think it's like, we've talked about this. Like, I don't want Genevieve to come home and find me napping. It's easier for me sometimes if Genevieve is working at her desk on a Friday, and I might go outside and sit down on the couch, like, kind of not in her area, but like, kind of right behind her in our rumpus room thing, and her desk is down here, and if I fall asleep while reading my book and she's there, and she was there for the beginning of it, that's fine. But for me, if Genevieve were to come home from work and see me napping, I just feel like I'd have a bad feeling about that. Not that it's never happened, but for.

[Luke Burbank]

All the grief that I give my mom on this show, I have to say, there ain't nothing like soup. She did set a very positive example for me around napping.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nice.

[Luke Burbank]

My mom has been a. And again, you know, frigging seven children. Like, I get it. Like my. But my mom has always been somebody who is just like, oh, you know what? I'm tired. This is, of course, when the kids were older and stuff and like, you know, could take care of themselves, my mom would very frequently take like an afternoon nap and then come back down and start making dinner or whatever. So that was modeled for me. I guess I didn't code it as like. I mean, I will say even now, like, if I'm at Becca's, it's a Sunday. I am a little sheepish about the idea of like, I'll be like, hey, you know what? I actually. And she, to her credit is so not. She's a non napper, but she's also so not judgy about me. I'll be like, hey, I'm gonna do like a 20 minute nap. She's like, okay, sure. But then again, I'll go in the bedroom, I will get into some napping clothes, I will get in the bed, I will put the white noise machine on my phone, and then I will take a nap. But yeah, I don't. I guess I have some shame around it, but not as much as you let me. Can I just give you my one sentence reaction to each kind of nap on Heather's list? Because I was making notes and I have thoughts. The camping nap. I think that the reason why the camping nap is so great is because when you are camping, you are in the wilderness. You are not living your normal life. You are cooking over an open fire. You are maybe catching your own food by way of fishing. It's like everything is. You're sleeping in a. You know, under the stars. Because everything is up for. Because. Because everything about your normal life has now been thrown into chaos. I feel like no one judges you for napping at the campsite and you've.

[Andrew Walsh]

Been reserving yourself probably in some way, right? Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

So it's like, here's what I'm really into, judgment free naps. And I feel like a camping nap is a judgment free nap. Because we're just like, listen, we're just trying to survive out here for these three days and no one's going to give you grief. Whereas, like, if you were maybe at home, they might kind of go really? You're going to do that post breakfast nap? This, I think, might be the greatest nap of all time, particularly in my boozier days, when. But younger days. So there was a sweet spot in my, like, 20s when I was going to a lot of art house movie theaters, Andrew. Where it'd be like, you know, me and my, you know, friends, or me and my. Whoever I was with at the time, girlfriend, wife, what have you. We went out a lot with our groups of friends and we put away a lot of alcohol. And then you wake up the next morning and. Whereas nowadays, if I woke up the next morning after that, I would need medical intervention, I would be not okay for a week in those days. I just needed to get up and go to, like, glows. Was Glows still there when you and Veeves lived in your first place on.

[Andrew Walsh]

Capitol Hill across the street?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah. So that was still in operation. Did you guys ever go to Globes?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, all the time. Yeah. You would get a cup of. They'd give you mugs of coffee. You could stand outside and drink the.

[Luke Burbank]

Coffee while you waited. Like, there was an era of my life where it would be like, you know, a Friday or Saturday night was always going to be shutting down, like Sunset Lanes or the Leilani Lanes or something. And then Sunday morning or Saturday morning was going to be dragging myself to Glows, having like a big old giant plate of food and then going back home and then crawling back into bed at about 11am and like, waking up long enough to fill your stomach with greasy eggs and bacon and English muffins or whatever so that. That it could absorb up all of the alcohol from the night before so that you could then have. Because the sleep is fitful from the night before. The, like, you fell asleep drunk. Sleep is not very restful. We all know that. So then it would take the glows, it would take the breakfast food, and then when you go back to sleep for the second sleep, that's the best sleep.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. You know, I associate that with a little bit later in my life because everything you said is like, yeah, that's 20s and 30s, I guess. I lived in Capitol Hill in my 30s, but that whole experience of, like, brunching or whatever. But for me, I don't know if in those situations I came back to nap. It was later in life. It was like once I hit my 40s that I started getting what Genevieve and I have dubbed late onset hangovers.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, I never had that as a younger person. And like, you just in my 40s, I would wake up and be like, I guess I'm fine. And then you would go to breakfast or brunch and then all of a sudden it's hitting you and you're just like, my God, this is hitting me like in the afternoon, in the early afternoon. And then that's when I crawl into bed for the nap. So almost exactly what you just said, except for me, that phenomenon started happening more in my 40s.

[Luke Burbank]

I agree with you that as you get older, the hangover is a. It's a. It's a cunning, cunning enemy and it seems to move later in the day. So that whereas when you're young, you wake up and you feel kind of terrible, but you push through and then you're getting progressively better. Yeah, I feel like when you're older, you wake up and you're kind of like, I guess I'm sort of okay. And then it's about one and you're like, why do I.

[Andrew Walsh]

Where did this come from?

[Luke Burbank]

Dying.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Very long nap, Andrew. This is one that I'm a fan of because again, I am a napper and I don't like to generally put parameters on my nap. Like the best nap for me. So if I'm at Becca's and I'm feeling tired, but I'm also feeling self conscious, that's when I'll say, like, I'm going to do a 20 minute nap. But that's not really my favorite nap. My favorite nap is you don't have anything else going on that day. You have no responsibilities, you can get back into bed and you can just let your body and brain do whatever it cares to do for the next however many hours. And because I'm also somebody who, for whatever reason, I can take a very, very long nap and still go to sleep at night, that's to me, very long nap is also a special, special little slice of heaven.

[Andrew Walsh]

I am going through our archives desperately here, hoping that we've never named a show Nap Judgment, because I really want.

[Luke Burbank]

I'll reach out to Glenn Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love that man.

[Luke Burbank]

Storytelling with a beat. Took it to.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, let me do that Nap Judgment. Colon. Snorri Telling with a beat. Thank you, sir.

[Luke Burbank]

Post sex nap. Absolutely. I mean, all I will say is it's nature's trazodone.

[Andrew Walsh]

I will let you know when I get married.

[Luke Burbank]

Between two kids, I don't think I've ever. Because I only had one kid, I don't think I've had that special moment. But definitely napping next to your kid, who is young and has got you up early. And I mean, that's. You know how you sort of like, if you have a cat, the joke is sort of like, well, I live here now. If the cat falls asleep on your lap when you've got a real young kid, like a toddler, and they fall asleep, and you're like. Let's say you're reading them a story or something. So maybe they're in bed with you or whatever, or even, like, you're in their little bed, but you're reading them a story and they fall asleep. That is a sign from the universe that you also need to go to sleep then, because this is a golden opportunity for you both to get a little shut eye in the afternoon.

[Andrew Walsh]

Ooh, and napping with a pet is a good one, too. That we could just add to the list. You know, I literally. Luke, I'm not even joking. I was like, can I call in late for work? This was yesterday. Because I try to get up, like, certainly, like, out of bed, up and about no later than nine. And that's not ideal. 8:30 is better. But yesterday, I remember I was really dragging ass, and it was like 9:05 or something like that, and I'm still in bed. And now I got to get up, but I can't bring myself to do it. I'm scrolling on my phone. And then that's when Bingo decided to come in and join me. Now, he doesn't snuggle all the time. So on the occasion, and maybe he's like. Maybe he looked at me and he's like, dude, it's nine, ten. He's staying in bed. This must be the weekend. I don't know what he thought, but he hopped up onto the bed and just, like, put his full body weight against my legs and started cleaning himself, which is what he does right before he, like, really snuggles up with you and starts napping. And I was like, God damn it. I don't want to get up right now because I'm going to teach him that if he tries to snuggle with me that I'm rejecting him or something. I don't know. It's not very bright. But, like, I just.

[Luke Burbank]

He'll never eat potato chips without shame, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

It really killed me. I was like, I want to encourage this kind of behavior, but he's doing it at a moment where I have to get up. I've already pushed this way too far. And so then. And so then I had to get up. And I apologized to him. He seemed. I mean, I'll be honest with you. He seemed pretty fine with the whole situation, but I was really bummed. And I was thinking, can I just call Luke and say, hey, we got to dial up late today. I got a cat napping on.

[Luke Burbank]

I think you. I think we each get two of those a year. And depending on what, like, your schedule is for the rest of day or my schedule, I'm happy to delay things by an hour because of something cute and. And sleepy happening with the cat, though.

[Andrew Walsh]

It has to be cute.

[Luke Burbank]

I think it has to be. And then sports tv, nap hard. Agree. But again, has to be golf. And there should be a law. There probably is, technically, but there should be a law that golf commercials have to have the same people doing the announcements as the golf game. You can't go from like, and Vijay Singh is stepping up to the 17th here at Torrey Pines into Mountain Dew Baja Blast. You have to be Mountain Dew Baja Blast right now. Taco Bell returning to the 90s. All those things that you loved that. It has to be consistent, because otherwise you're messing with my nap.

[Andrew Walsh]

Who is the wrestler? There is a. I think it started to die down a little bit. There was a period a couple of years ago where during baseball games, especially in a couple of specific stadiums, it was Ric Flair. Is it the.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

What is it? Yeah, the woo thing?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And they. The certain fan base. Fan base. But certain fan bases in certain ballparks, and I think they tend to be the ballparks that don't have great attendance. I'm almost wondering if this was maybe an Oakland A's phenomenon when they were still in Oakland and not a lot of people were showing up and you would have some bros who'd be doing.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, constantly. And they knew they were getting on TV because.

[Luke Burbank]

Because there was no one making any noise.

[Andrew Walsh]

I remember that. And it was a phenomenon in baseball for, like, a season or two a couple of years ago, and it was so annoying. And I remember, like, if you were trying to nap to a baseball game, but it was one of the Ric Flair games, we'll call him. And I'm wondering, like, what if you brought that energy to golf? What if those. What if those yahoos went to a. To a green and started giving the woo or whatever while somebody's trying to putt.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know what? I will say this, by the way. I do remember that was a dark, dark summer for this nation.

[Andrew Walsh]

It really was.

[Luke Burbank]

I've left one thing out of the golf kind of sonic landscape, which is. That is a thing except it's people yelling Baba Booey or get in the hole, which is like a Happy Gilmore joke. There's a whole thing with golf where, of course, you're supposed to be very quiet. Like, they had literally have guys and people whose job it is to hold up signs that say quiet while the golfer is in their backswing. But then the second that they make contact with the ball, it is now considered. It's allowed, and it's encouraged, even, or it's permitted, I guess, to yell whatever the heck you want. And that's when people yell things like baba Booey or get in the hole or whatever. Probably they Ric flared it. So that is. You know, I'm talking about golf being this very relaxing thing, but I think over time, it's actually evolved into like. Like a very relaxing thing. Maybe they turn. Maybe they turn their mics down a little bit, but there is a screaming component of golf, and it's right after the ball's been made contact.

[Andrew Walsh]

I did not realize that.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Back to the important conversation that we were having before post sex snaps. Do you remember Devin the Dude? He's apparently from. From Houston. Was it Houston we were looking at before? We were looking.

[Luke Burbank]

You bring up Devin the Dude more than anyone else I know.

[Andrew Walsh]

I really. Because this is a blast.

[Luke Burbank]

I only know him from you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh. Maybe when we were first doing the show, I was in a real Devin the Dude phase, and I totally forgot about it. And now I'm looking at music artists from Houston, and Devin the dude is on the list, and I completely forgot that Devin the Dude existed.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, good. I was gonna ask if we could hear some proof of concept.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know if I don't know what he's famous for. This is the record that I had Waiting to Inhale.

[Luke Burbank]

Wait.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a good name. I think he. That's probably why you weren't so into him. I think he's a pretty big, like, weed rapper. But that. That brings you kind of chill vibes. Like this.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, I like this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

He also put out in 2010. Sweet. For 20.

[Andrew Walsh]

So he had a brand S U I T E. That's interesting. Yeah, but, boy, I like that vibe. Yeah, that's. That's. That's pretty great. And I think Snoop and Andre are on that track too. Anyway, that was a blast from the past and just something that I've been sitting on for the past five minutes.

[Luke Burbank]

That I had to get. That also sounds like good napping music.

[Andrew Walsh]

I could see that absolute kind of.

[Luke Burbank]

It's it's all kind of sort of at the same level and feels like.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it's not going to surprise you.

[Luke Burbank]

Also, I do feel like it's fitting that we have had people suggesting nap lists and then other people suggesting their own at least single addition to it. Because this is a show that very often when we talk to folks, they say I listen to it to fall asleep.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's true.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. That's kind of One of our KPIs is helping put people to sleep.

[Andrew Walsh]

KPI?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Like, what's it. What's a KPI is kind of like slang for like one of our deliverables. Key performance indicator.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, interesting. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. One of our key performance indicators.

[Andrew Walsh]

You can tell I don't really work for a living when I don't know phrases like that. That everybody.

[Luke Burbank]

That was a whole other part of a meeting that John and I had that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you were napping. I was napping and. And peeing at the same time, unfortunately. Well, this has been a lot of fun. I'm not even joking when I say I wish we could keep going here. We do have more lists, but again, you know, maybe in the future if we have to pre record some shows, we can do this again because I would love to. I'd love to share some more of these lists.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. Keep them coming, folks. Like, honestly, if you think of a top five, send it in via email or voice recording or whatever you want to do. Because, yeah, these are a really fun way to, you know, to do a show and to talk about life's rich pageantry by way of post, pre or during sex naps.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure. That one. You're really obsessed with that one there.

[Luke Burbank]

I am. Can tell I've got napping on the brain and other things. All right, well, that's going to do it for actually this week of tbtl. My goodness. Thank you, everyone for spending the time with us. We are going to be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio. So please do join us for that. In the meantime. In the meantime, have a great weekend. Enjoy the rest of your Friday. Go Seahawks. And please remember, no mountain two times all.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all.

[Heather (Listener)]

Hey, gummies. It's Alysia Nicholas in Atlantic Beach, Florida, calling with a list of things. I don't know why I'm always able to spout off the top of my head, but these are things I do not like. Number one, clowns, escalators sneezing while I'm driving, touching raw chicken. That's it. Those are the things I don't like power out. Power out.