#4613 A Comedy Of Errols

Summary

TBTL Episode #4613: “A Comedy of Errols” – Summary

Date: December 5, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh

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Episode Overview

This Friday edition of TBTL finds Luke back in Seattle after a busy week of travel and stage work, including appearances on “Wait, Wait…Don’t Tell Me!” in Phoenix and an upcoming “Livewire” show in Seattle. The episode’s main theme is a classic, freewheeling TBTL journey, riffing on everything from overlooked December songs and the nuances of nostalgia documentaries to airplane travel epiphanies, cookie franchises, and the strange joys of airport pretzels. It’s a quintessential slice of Luke and Andrew’s comic chemistry, peppered with music talk, pop culture overstimulation, existential air travel stress, and listener stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Great December Song Debate

Timestamp: 03:53 – 09:28

• Andrew, prompted by the date “December 5th,” searches for songs titled “December,” referencing a Yard Barker magazine list.
• Both hosts are outraged (“I am shook. I am shocked,” – Andrew, 04:41) that “A Long December” by Counting Crows isn’t included.
• They riff through a series of lesser-known “December” songs, mocking the curators and lamenting the omission.
• Luke brings up a new HBO Counting Crows documentary, expressing initial excitement but a waning interest after viewing the trailer.

“I always expect…oh, this is a whole ass documentary about Counting Crows, I was like, ‘oh, I would be really into that.’ And then the more of the trailer I watched, the less interested I became in the documentary, which is a weird experience.” – Luke (08:58)

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2. Pop Culture Documentaries and the Self-Serving Bio-Doc Trend

Timestamp: 09:28 – 14:56, 21:22 – 26:30

• Luke and Andrew discuss how some music documentaries (Counting Crows, Rainier Beer) and celebrity bio-docs feel unnecessary or self-serving, lamenting that “not everything needs to be a full documentary.”
• Andrew critiques fans embracing the recent A-Rod HBO doc as though it’s objective, when it’s more of a “two-hour press release written by A-Rod.” (21:22)
• The conversation segues to hagiographies and the “auto-hagiography” trend, with Luke citing Michael Jordan’s “The Last Dance” as an example where personal mythmaking sometimes backfires.

“If somebody puts out a documentary about themselves…just start with them looking into the camera and going ‘Hi, I’m Alex Rodriguez, this is my version of my story.’ …But of course, they would never do that.” – Luke (22:21)

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3. The Errol Morris Rabbit Hole & The Interrotron

Timestamp: 23:53 – 32:34

• The hosts get humorously lost trying to recall the name of Errol Morris (after lambasting themselves for mid-podcast memory lapses).
• Andrew eventually finds it, leading to a tangent on Morris documentaries like “Fast, Cheap & Out of Control,” “Fog of War,” and “Mr. Death,” including the confusion over “Dr. Death.”
• Luke introduces the “Interrotron,” a device Errol Morris built to make interviewees look directly into the camera, and both hosts geek out over the technical novelty.

“That’s what I was thinking of! The Interrotron.” – Luke (30:50)

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4. Air Travel Adventures & the Danger of Early Departures

Timestamp: 32:59 – 37:39

• Luke describes Alaska Airlines moving his flight time earlier by five minutes at the last minute, calling it “kind of dangerous.”
• The hosts debate the risks of flights leaving before their originally scheduled time, especially for last-minute boarders.
• Luke reveals an air travel epiphany: taking super-early morning flights is worth it for the peace and fewer crowds, despite the brutal early wakeups.

“I think I might become like a crazy early morning flight guy...” – Luke (36:37)

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5. Airport and Mall Food: Pretzels & Cookie Chains

Timestamp: 37:39 – 45:09

• Andrew shares the sublime smells of passing an Auntie Anne’s/Orange Julius combo at Cleveland Airport.
• They touch on the “Mandela Effect” regarding people’s mistaken memory of “Auntie M’s” vs. “Auntie Anne’s.”
• Luke discusses recent cookie adventures: Insomnia Cookies vs. Crumbl, mentiones mall cookie nostalgia, and extols McDonald’s cookies as the surprising “GOAT.”

“You know who I still think rules the chocolate chip cookie game? ...the McDonald’s hamburger corp.” – Luke (44:53)

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6. Listener VMail: Talia’s LAX/TSA Phone Anxiety

Timestamp: 61:44 – 66:14

• Listener Talia from Sydney shares a story about LAX TSA agents demanding she unlock her phone (which she’d left in the security line) to prove it was hers.
• Her anxiety in the moment (fearing state oppression, “thought policing”) is echoed and empathized with by both hosts.

“I have a lot of what we would consider, previously, free speech on that phone… I just look at the man and say, ‘Why?’” – Talia (65:26)

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7. Documentary Talk: “Marty Supreme” & The Marketing Blimp

Timestamp: 51:32 – 57:59

• Talk of a new Safdie brothers/Timothée Chalamet movie trailer, “Marty Supreme,” a biopic about a ping pong legend.
• Andrew reacts to the trailer as if it’s a parody, but Luke trusts the Safdie pedigree and recounts a clever marketing campaign involving blimps and surreal Zoom pitches.

“They did a really clever bit of…earned media…they released this kind of Zoom meeting… but it was actually pretty funny… and then, after this thing drops, a week later there are Marty Supreme orange blimps over various American cities.” – Luke (55:05)

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8. Notable Quotes & Memorable Riffs

• “That’s where I go for my yard barking...” – Luke (04:36, poking fun at music site names)
• “I want to go back, I want a time machine to tell him, hey buddy, just go with whatever your hair is naturally doing.” – Luke, on Adam Duritz’s infamous locks (14:07)
• “I feel like that was him. But also, can I trust my own experience right now?” – Andrew, on possibly bumping into Adam Duritz on weed at Lollapalooza (16:41)
• “They present it like it’s being made by…who made Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control?” – Luke, lost in Errol Morris references (23:11)
• “Oopsie Coin is just absolutely shattering… the ceiling of crypto right now.” – Luke (23:44, running joke about monetizing podcast mistakes)

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Important Timestamps for Key Segments

• December Song List Riff: 03:53–09:28
• Counting Crows Doc & Pop Culture Docs: 09:28–14:56
• A-Rod / Sports Documentaries Critique: 21:22–26:30
• Errol Morris & Documentary Devices: 23:53–32:34
• Flight Timing Dangers & Epiphany: 32:59–37:39
• Airport / Mall Pretzels & Cookie Chains: 37:39–45:09
• Listener VMail – Talia’s TSA Story: 61:44–66:14
• “Marty Supreme” Biopic / Blimp Marketing: 51:32–57:59

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Tone & Highlights

• Self-deprecating & playful banter: The episode is filled with meandering anecdotes, mock outrage, and affectionate teasing—classic TBTL energy.
• Pop-culture and media obsession: The hosts overlay nearly every mundane subject (flights, snacks, even TSA) with references to movies, documentaries, and music, often with meta-commentary on the commercial or self-mythologizing nature of modern storytelling.
• Listener community: The show features and warmly reacts to a detailed listener story, keeping TBTL’s conversational, participatory tone front and center.
• Lingering, relatable anxieties: Documentaries as image control, flight times shifting, phone privacy fiascos—all are chewed over with both comic exasperation and real-world concern.

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Notable Quotes (with Attribution & Timestamp)

• “I can already tell you, whoever made this list, they haven’t lived enough.” – Luke, on the December song list (05:17)
• "Every professional sports kind of icon from that era is writing their...pre-obituaries here." – Andrew (22:01)
• “The Interrotron… that's what I was thinking of!” – Luke, on Errol Morris's interview device (30:50)
• “That five minutes is absolutely the life and death difference in terms of me. The life and death of this particular ticket and flight...” – Luke (35:26)
• “I turn into like Pepe Le Pew floating on a smell. It is so–I don’t even know if it tastes good, but golly does it smell good.” – Luke, on Auntie Anne’s pretzels (39:21)
• “I’m talking about the McDonald’s hamburger corp…” – Luke, surprising Andrew with his favorite cookie pick (44:53)
• “My brain went somewhere else in 3 seconds…” – Talia, on TSA making her unlock her phone (65:26)
• "Oopsie Coin is just absolutely... shattering the ceiling of crypto right now." – Luke, about monetizing podcast errors (23:44)

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In Summary

Episode 4613 is a textbook TBTL Friday — sprawling, funny, and sneakily thought-provoking, with infectious enthusiasm for obscure trivia, pop culture, and everyday oddities. Whether riffing on algorithms and nostalgia or chronicling the perils of modern travel, Luke and Andrew create a space for humor, skepticism, and community. Even for newcomers, the episode offers abundant charm, hearty laughs, and insights into how media, memory, and life’s quirks intersect.

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Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

What are you guys doing here? Emergency band meeting. I'm working. This is my work. You're not working. You're just holding a sign. Yeah, well, I got the job because we didn't have any gigs. How can I give you a gig if you forgot this job? Yeah, but that's why I got the job, because there were no gigs. Well, I can't get you a gig if you're gonna always go and do a job. Yeah, but that's. I needed the job because there were no gigs. Well, I've got you a gig, so what's with the job? Yeah, but that's it. That's the thing. I got the job because there are no gigs, man. It's a chicken egg situation.

What do you mean? What's he mean, chicken? Well, you know, what came first, the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Chicken or the egg?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, that's irrelevant, isn't it? Causality, stupid. The chicken, obviously. Well, where did the chicken come from? Well, it came from the. Ah, you see the egg.

[Andrew Walsh]

You're the egg.

[Luke Burbank]

You're a bad egg.

[Andrew Walsh]

T B T L.

[Luke Burbank]

Guess what day it is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Guess what day it is.

[Luke Burbank]

It.

Gonna get down on Friday?

[Andrew Walsh]

Everybody's looking forward to the weekend Garbage.

[Talia]

All I've been thinking about all week is garbage.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I just can't stop thinking about it. Allow me to introduce myself. Maybe you've heard of me. California magazine just did a piece on me.

[Andrew Walsh]

The exception of being misquoted several times.

[Luke Burbank]

I thought it was a pretty good article.

[Talia]

I'm not trying to be disrespectful or anything, but I kind of feel like you're winging this and it's going bad.

[Luke Burbank]

Stinky.

Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Talia]

It feels wrong but it's oh, so right.

[Luke Burbank]

My name's Luke Burbank. I am your host.

[Talia]

Wait a minute.

[Andrew Walsh]

Who are you?

[Luke Burbank]

Coming to you from the Arctic Club Hotel in rainy and yet still beautiful Seattle, Washington. Didn't know you like to get wet, though. So exciting to be back in my hometown of Seattle, safely and on time and under budget. I was a little nervous this week about being able to make it to the various places and stages where I needed to be standing and talking into microphones. And this is kind of the last phase of the whole thing. Did. Wait, wait, don't tell me. Last night in Phoenix. That was a blast. Tonight we'll be doing Livewire here in Seattle at Benaroya Hall.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm so excited about this show.

[Luke Burbank]

It's not too late to grab a ticket. Rick Steves, Lindy west, phenomenal night coming up. In the meantime, though, we've got a phenomenal episode of TBTL to present to you. It's episode 4613 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Flew up here from Phoenix this morning and I will say that Alaska Airlines, I think they engaged in a slightly dangerous practice. Call Kenny Loggins, because you're in the danger zone. I don't mean like that our safety was in danger. Everything was very safe. But it was something else that I think could really, really, really backfire on them with people like me. So we'll talk about that. Also, I had an insight, I had an. An epiphany maybe about air travel and the kind of air travel person that I might need to become.

[Andrew Walsh]

Intelligence for your life.

[Luke Burbank]

I know you thought this guy's out of epiphanies related to air travel, but no, I still have them all the time. And I had one this morning, early this morning that I want to talk about with my friend Andrew Walsh, the longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Hey, Romano. He's joining me right now. Good morning, sir.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning. I hate to do this to you, Luke, but I am about to break your heart. I'm about to break your heart into little pieces.

When we were getting ready to start recording the show, I. I was typing, I don't know why, I was typing the date onto my show sheet or something. December 5th.

[Luke Burbank]

And I thought, nuts, McGillicuddy.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I thought, December 5th. There must be a song. December 5th, the 5th of December. I googled it. It doesn't seem to be a song, but it got me thinking. Yeah, but there are a lot of songs with December in the title, right? I just feel like this, I was.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, oh, maybe long one.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was, well, this is where your little heart is going to be broken into little pieces. I found a list, 20 songs with December in the title written up in Yard Barker magazine, which is where I go for my musical related listicles.

[Luke Burbank]

That's where I go for my yard Barking.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's one of the.

[Luke Burbank]

And related titles.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would say one of the top places defined yard, but yeah, certainly. Yeah, yeah, three now. Yeah. Since the barking yard went down. Yeah, the solid top three. It does not list. It does not list long. December. I am shook. I am shocked. I am shocked. It starts with December.

[Luke Burbank]

Considering a class action lawsuit, it's December.

[Andrew Walsh]

It starts with December 4th by Jay Z. Isn't that the first track? Maybe on the black.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like where his mom is talking about him.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. His mom's talking about. Or whatever. December by Ariana Grande.

[Luke Burbank]

I can already tell you, whoever made this list, they haven't lived enough.

[Andrew Walsh]

But it goes. So you have something called Back to December by somebody named Taylor Swift, but they have my December by Linkin Park. You got an Alicia Keys December back to June?

[Luke Burbank]

What?

[Andrew Walsh]

You got somebody named G Eazy?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, G. Eazy, sure. She was with Halsey for a while.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. You're joking, right?

[Luke Burbank]

No, I mean, Andrew, I'm spitting facts here.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is this true? Are you serious? You've heard of G. Eazy before?

[Luke Burbank]

I have heard of G. Eazy, and I think G Eazy was a kind of a. I don't know if flash in the pan would be the way to describe it, but G Eazy had a moment.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, to that I say gz December by Norah Jones. Famously.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Except the Nora Jones in the mix.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good Charlotte, Last December. Now, is this a cover of Last December? No, no. Long December is the.

[Luke Burbank]

Is the last Dec. That's not the Wake Me up dump in December. Is that Good Charlotte? I never knew which one of those kinds of pop punk bands that was there some kind of song that's like, Wake Me Up Next December or Last.

[Andrew Walsh]

December or I'm gonna Let Yard Barker do My Barking for Me here. It says, while December usually brings joy to people during the holidays, it can sometimes be a sad season. That's what Good Charlotte iterates in their song Last December. The group doesn't mention the month at all in the lyrics, but they reflect on how this time of year can be hard on people who are grieving for people they lost. Is it Sarah Bareilles? Am I saying her last name right? She has a song called December, Cold December by Rod Wave. Rod Wave?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know. Rod Wave.

[Andrew Walsh]

Higher Billy, hire us.

[Luke Burbank]

That was Rod Arquette. It was the Rod father.

[Andrew Walsh]

He fired you, I believe. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Hired and fired.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. You're focusing too much on the positive, and I'm here to keep even keel. We're getting. We're getting through these, though. December. I didn't plan on going through all these, but it is. It is telling to take a moment and hear all of these artists who got billing when the Counting Crows did not. December by idk. I don't know what that's. Who's Van. Who's Van Hunt? I don't even feel comfortable saying that, to be honest with you. Her December. In 2004, Soul and RB singer Van Hunt released a self titled album. On the album, the track her December Hunt details how the month can be a change of pace for people between cold weather and a difference in emotions.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what? I'll tell you, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just one more day up in the canyon. Just one more night in Hollywood.

[Andrew Walsh]

See, you're representing.

[Luke Burbank]

If you think you should come to California, I wish you would. I wish you would remember to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Demi Lovato. Collective soul is represented in here. Miley Cyrus, Weezer, New Kids on the Block. So these aren't all like new Michael Buble, Kylie, Maya.

[Luke Burbank]

I think I did this and I think it was hallucinating.

I think an uncool AI program did this. Not like a cool one that knows about Counting Crows, but an uncool one who doesn't.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is written by Maya Singleton. Maya Singleton, who may be an AI agent, but probably not. This is 2022. No, I'm looking. Maya Singleton is a. A real person here. I can tell is she is.

[Luke Burbank]

Could a real person. Would a real person leave out long December. Speaking of those, them Counting Crows I just saw on my. Somewhere on my Internet feed, I think maybe last night, this morning, it's all blending together. Andrew. I'm really, if I seem a little chaotic today, it's because I think I'm starting at my limit this week of content creation and travel. But I saw that there's a new HBO doc out about Counting Crows and I think specifically Adam Duritz, the lead singer, I think, I mean, he's the centerpiece of the band and so I think he's the centerpiece of this documentary. But it's the trailer, of course, is very much put, you know, put together in a way as to appeal to somebody like me who likes Counting Crows music and stuff. And yet I couldn't. I always expect. When I realized what was happening, which was, oh, this is a whole ass documentary about Counting Crows, I was like, oh, I would be really into that. And then the more of the trailer I watched, the less interested I became in the documentary, which is a weird experience.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've had that before. I've had that before. Where you're like, oh, I'm, oh, this sounds like something I'd be interested in. And you watch the documentary and you're like, I hate to be.

I should be careful about this one because it's a small.

[Luke Burbank]

You're gonna talk about the Trachtenberg family slideshow Players.

[Andrew Walsh]

There was a documentary that came out around 2001, 2003, 2005. No, you know, I guess I should be careful on this one because I would be surprised if somebody in our audience isn't connected to this. But a lot of people were recommending to me a local documentary about Rainier Beer and specifically I think the Rainier Beer commerc.

Iconic commercials. And somebody said, oh, this will be right up your alley. You like commercials, you like local things. The history of these commercials is kind of interesting, but I watched like, the first of all, the trailer was too long. And when I was done watching the trailer, I'm like, yep, I got it all. Like, I don't. And it wasn't even a particularly well made trailer. I didn't think I was like, well, you've exhausted my interest in this topic in this long trailer. I think I'm. I think I'm done.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, not, not everything is a full documentary, which is one of the nice things, I guess you could say about the way content has shifted. We spend a lot of time. I spend a lot of time talking about how I don't like the fractured media environment we're in, but an eight minute documentary is just fine. Yeah, you know, like, that's probably what the Rainier Beer adds, you know, and the beer. But also I think a little bit of it is probably related to if you grew up with it or not. Like, I might have a, a longer attention span for that stuff because I did grow up watching those commercials on tv. I'm really fascinated with them. But generally speaking, like, you don't. And by the way, pot kettle black here, maybe the Trachtenberg thing I made didn't need to be an hour and a half either. Like, I, you know, sometimes something can be 10 minutes and that can be all the time we need for this. The, the crows thing seemed to center around. Well, I was expecting it to. It seems like what it's kind of getting into is the journey of Adam Duritz, the lead singer, and how he. They became a very popular band, but a very kind of, like, maligned band. Like, they got popular at a time where getting broadly popular was actually seen as uncool. So they were sort of branded as uncool, even though they had a lot of fans and a lot of people really loved their music. But it was weird though, because if I remember right, there's like, there's one celebrity. I mean, Adam Durrs famously dated a string of celebrities himself. And I would imagine Counting Crows have a bunch of celebrity fans. There's one quasi celebrity that I see in the trailer, and it's the comedian and roastmaster, Jeff Ross, going, who the hell was Mr. Jones? It's like, that was it. I thought maybe we'd get. You know, what would have been interesting was if you. And maybe this is in the movie. I haven't watched it. Obviously, if you went out and you found some people, you know, if Noam Chomsky was a crow's head, you know, or Marina Abramovich or something like, find me some interesting, thoughtful, unlikely people that like the Counting Crows and then get there, you know, or like, I don't know if Paris Hilton liked Counting Crows and had thoughts on them. That would be interesting to me, right? It's like Jeff Ross will show up to the opening of an envelope. Like, getting him on your documentary about the majesty and the genius that is Counting Crows was weird to me. The other thing was. And I want to be careful with how I talk about this, because I guess. I don't know. I think I know what Adam Duritz's ethnic background is, but we'll just say the locks, the hairdo, my sense of Adam Duritz and having locks. And by the way, I'm trying to be careful and not say dreadlocks, because I think the idea is that, you know, dreadlocks was a. Like, these were dreaded. These were, like, something that was considered to be unsightly. So now there's been a certain move to try to call them locks. I'm trying to do that right now. The hairdo that Adam Duras was wearing, I don't think. I don't think he is a person of color in the way we typically use that term. So, like, I think he was a white guy with that hairdo, and that was always something he got a little knocked for. And what I can tell you, having watched the trailer for this is I think that criticism was valid. There's so many different shots of his hair looking so unfortunate and, like, it never worked in any scenario. And he had different sizes of locks, and he. There's so many different things that are going. You see, like, 20 different varieties of this hair choice from him, and not one of them looks good.

[Andrew Walsh]

So you think. You agree that it's just unfortunate from an aesthetic standpoint, I think it's very.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm not talking about appropriation or anything, but just because that's not probably my department. I'm just talking about from a looks, because, you know, here's the thing about Adam Duritz. He doesn't have that hairdo. Anymore. He looks great. And he, he, you know, he's done a lot of interviews now where he's talked about kind of his journey. And he is somebody who is on the record as talking about, you know, having mental health issues and things like that, dealing with depression and stuff, which I don't want to pile on for the guy. But he's definitely seems like he's kind of landed in a pretty good place. And his hair is so much better looking in 2025. I want to go back, I want a time machine to, to, to tell him, hey, buddy, you just go with whatever your hair is naturally doing and that is going to work fine for you.

[Andrew Walsh]

I bumped into him one time, I think at least I told everybody I did, and had Lollapalooza. He was at.

[Luke Burbank]

No, it was down at the new Amsterdam.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Mr. Durrett strikes up a conversation with the brown haired.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is gonna sound weird, but.

I want to live as cats. What does he say? Everybody want to live as cats. What is the line that I'm desperately trying?

[Luke Burbank]

I want to be a lion. Yeah, everybody wants to dress as cats. We all want to be big, big stars. But we got different reasons.

[Andrew Walsh]

We got different reasons.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. No, everybody believe in me because I don't believe in anyone.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it. Everybody want to live as cats.

[Luke Burbank]

Everybody want to dress as cats. Everybody want to dress, not dress.

[Andrew Walsh]

Everybody want to dress as cats is really funny.

Anyway, we can let that go, but I was at Lollapalooza. I was in high school. I know that the Counting Crows were playing that particular, that particular festival that I was at. And I swore I bumped into him in the crowd. Now I believe it. I mean, maybe there might have been people who look like, you know, it was some. I believe I remember a leather, like a, you know, like one of those, like kind of suede leathery jackets like.

[Luke Burbank]

He would wear very much fit with the image we have about him.

[Andrew Walsh]

But it happened so quickly and I, I can't. I mean, like, the story doesn't really hold up. I remember even at the time being like, was that him? I feel like that was him as going around telling everybody. I think I just ran into the guy from Counting Crows. I literally ran into him, like bumped into him. And then we both kept moving. We didn't, we didn't share words or anything like that. But I do remember I was, I believe I was on some weed related mission though. So it also makes me like, you.

[Luke Burbank]

Were going to get weed or you're.

[Andrew Walsh]

Looking for weed or it might have been in my system at that point. I remember having this one hitter at the time too, and I just remember it being like, well, I think that was him. But also, can I trust my, my own experience right now? I remember having, I remember having that thought in the moment. Can I trust my experience right now? So I feel like I must have been a little bit buzzed. And so if I also self aware.

[Luke Burbank]

Enough that you, you weren't just taking it as like, you know, the obvious truth, but you had a sort of a sense of introspection and questioning, that could also mean you still had your head screwed on somewhat straight.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I want to go back to this conversation about Modern Documentaries really briefly because there's something that's been on my mind and this doesn't make any sense for me.

[Luke Burbank]

Jonathan Richmond in the Modern Documentaries.

[Andrew Walsh]

What are you doing? Wait, I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that Jonathan, I told you I met my limit.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, this isn't even really funny, but it's like how little things will stick in your head. I unfollowed somebody on Blue sky for the dumbest, dumbest, dumbest, dumbest reason the other day, but I still feel like it was the right thing to do. So I follow a bunch of people who I have no connection to other than our love of Mariners on bluesky. But keep in mind, and this is not a brag or a flex and you'll be able to tell because it's not something to brag or flex about. But I was on Blue sky looking for Mariners content long before the masses were there. It was a tiny group of people that were literally every now and then just being like, are there any other Mariners fans here? And we would follow each other and there was somebody from those early days and because of that I'm like following people who I, you know and feel like I'm like quasi Internet friends with a few folks who I would not know otherwise, you know. And so anyway, there was one woman on Blue sky who I've been following for a long time and there is not a lot that we have in common. I would say. I, you know, I don't really have a strong opinion about her one way or the other. Pretty anodyne account would post rah rah things for the Mariners during baseball season. But now that baseball season has gone away, especially as it kind of, you know, peaked with this heck of a playoff run and historic season we just had. Now I'm just getting to know these people because we're not talking about baseball anymore and I'm receiving Their pose from their lives and.

[Luke Burbank]

Good point.

[Andrew Walsh]

This woman who's a baseball fan and seems like a smart person posted like, oh, and not just a baseball fan, but a Mariners fan. And so the Mariner fan base especially has a kind of rocky relationship with Alex Rodriguez because he played here and then he left Seattle and a lot. This was before my time, so you can tell me if I'm wrong about this, but he left for a huge bag of money to go to the Yankees. And it just left the Mariner fan base feeling pretty raw about him while other people chose to stay here. While people like Felix chose to stay here. And it was basically just through some terrible, terrible seasons, but felt a loyalty to this fan base. So anyway, this person, this very nice person, I can't remember her name, so I'm not worried about doxing her, but this very sweet baseball fan who I've been following for a long time just posted several weeks ago, like, man, I.

[Luke Burbank]

Think Alex Rodriguez went to the Rangers and then went to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, did he bounce. But he. The bag of money. I mean, the. He's described as like a sellout. Right? It wasn't a huge amount of money.

[Luke Burbank]

No, you're absolutely right. I'm just trying to remember the chain of.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, that is right. He didn't go directly to New York. So I was conflating those. And thank you, because that would have driven people bananas. All those people at the private university of Rutgers would be writing in to us that wave. There are still generations we need to monetize who haven't heard that mistake yet. The emails are going to continue.

[Luke Burbank]

We need to monetize my mistakes so that it's for a premium TBTL account. You can call me and yell at.

[Andrew Walsh]

Me about stuff like that bitcoin thing. Like, this is now your mistake. Like you own the Rutgers mistake of 2025.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, oopsie coin.

[Andrew Walsh]

We sell oopsie coins. Oh, shit. How is our timing on this idea, by the way?

[Luke Burbank]

I think strong. I think perfectly timed if I understand anything about the crypto market right now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. God, hit me up if anybody wants to buy that particular oopsie coin.

I mean, I'm really throwing you under the bus here. Although I.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I'm on a hot streak this week.

[Andrew Walsh]

Totally. That if I'm not accused of the murder equivalent of that, I'm sure it's certainly manslaughter. I was involved in that in some way and I'm not getting off scot free. But anyway, this nice person on Twitter wrote something like, man, you know I always had a bad taste in my mouth about a rod. But after watching that HBO documentary, like a Rod, what is Alex versus a Rod or whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I don't even think I know.

[Andrew Walsh]

I realize how kind of complicated the situation was and blah, blah, blah. And just like, you know, just a couple of very again, nice tweets saying, hey, I used to be kind of locked into my fandom and not liking this guy, but now I realize there's nuance and it's an interesting story, but it's like there was no acknowledgement that. Yeah, because you just watched a two hour press release written by a Rod. Everybody's making their own goddamn documentaries. And then you.

[Luke Burbank]

Which they have final cut on.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, he's an executive producer on that thing. Like, of course you read his own. And then you said. And again, I think that's fine. But if you said something like, boy, I guess it was interesting to hear a rod's perspective on this. But it didn't seem to be that. It was kind of like, boy, this documentary really kind of uncut. And I'm just like, come on, guys. Every professional sports kind of icon from that era is writing their. They're writing their own kind of pre obituaries here. So they're working the refs.

[Luke Burbank]

They're hegiography. They're hagiographies.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that what the word is?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, hagiography just being a kind of like a very sort of like incredibly positive sort of biography about someone. Just a love letter. So maybe it's their auto hagiography or something. But yeah, just like they're all sort of establishing their version of events and their side of the story. And by the way, you know what I would be fine with? If somebody puts out a documentary about themselves that they are the executive producer of, and it starts with them looking into the camera and going, hey, I'm Alex Rodriguez. This is my version of my story. Yeah, this is what I think happened. Enjoy. But of course, they would never do that. They present it like it's being made, you know, by, you know, who made Cheap, Fast and Out of Control. It was the. The famous documentarian who uses that crazy camera where he hides inside the camera and talks to his.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wait, I don't know. Crazy fast, not of control. I don't even know that documentary, to be honest with you. But you're.

[Luke Burbank]

He made the Fred Leuchter documentary.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now I feel like I'm gonna.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm not doing. And I think you should leave schedule. No, no, he made. He made like it wasn't like. Wasn't it like. I think it was Dr. Death talking about Fred Loichter. You know, the. The. The. Oh, God.

[Andrew Walsh]

And my Internet just went down. By the way, he's the super.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

[Andrew Walsh]

By the way, I'm talking about. I want to say.

[Luke Burbank]

Oopsie. Coin is just absolutely. It's. It is shattering. Shattering the. The ceiling of crypto right now. No, you know the guy who he.

[Andrew Walsh]

Errol Morris.

[Luke Burbank]

Errol Morris. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Boy, I love it when I'm just trying to drop a documentary film reference. And then I just completely. Didn't he make. Okay, can we. Can I. If the Internet's back. Did you just remember that?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, I had to look out. And the thing is, I knew in the back of my.

[Luke Burbank]

Did he make fast, cheap and out of control? And Also something called Dr. Death about Fred Leuchter?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't. But Who's Fred Leuchter? Dr. Death is.

[Luke Burbank]

He was this weird guy who Errol Morris made a documentary about that I, like, really loved in college or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

I thought Dr. Death was about Kevorkian.

[Luke Burbank]

Kevorkian. Well, that's why I'm. That's where you're hearing an even additional pause in my. My voice and my shaky memory is anything called Dr. Death would definitely sound like a thing about Jack Kevorkian. And in fact, there probably were many things made about him that had that title. I feel like Fred Leucter, like, maybe he designed electric chairs or he designed. He had a very weird. He was in a very weird niche of stuff that he did that I think had to do with the end of people's lives.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I think it follows the name of. It follows the story of Dr. Christopher Dunsch. D U N T S C H. No, Christopher.

[Luke Burbank]

No, that's the. That's the podcast about Christopher Dench, who was lying and saying he was a competent neurosurgeon. He was actually screwing people together with, like, screws from Home Depot. I do know about that guy. They made a. They made like, a Oxygen series off of, like, they bought the IP from Wondery and made something called Dr. Death.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right? That's right. Okay. Yeah, look. What was the name you were throwing out there?

[Luke Burbank]

Fred Loiter.

[Andrew Walsh]

Loiter. You're absolutely right about Leuchter. So you get a boy. And also there's a drama series called Dr. Death. Oh, that must be based on the podcast. Sorry. The SEO on that one was messed up. When I think of Errol Morris, and I wasn't getting any closer There I was also trying to fix my Internet, but I think of the Fog of War and the Thin Blue Line are two big ones that I saw. I didn't see either of the two that you just mentioned, so I didn't have those as Errol. Oh, I also watched Tabloid. I forgot about that.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I didn't know about that.

[Andrew Walsh]

One does a later one.

[Luke Burbank]

Here's what I think is kind of interesting about this. If we can for one moment get the nose up on this situation, is that in, you know, I would say the pioneer in this space of these documentaries about someone that they also have the final say on is Michael Jordan. Of course, the big Michael Jordan doc that everybody was talking about. And yet I do think that he sort of fumbled his own bag with that one. Like, considering that he was trying to make a movie or a documentary, quote unquote documentary series that that ultimately sort of glorified him and that he had final say on it. A lot of people finished watching that and thought he cray. You know what I mean?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, it's funny to me that he didn't do a better job of controlling the narrative around himself. Like, that tells you he might be a little disconnected from reality because he was trying to basically put forward a story of triumph. And I think most normal people that watch that were like, ooh, Michael Jordan's got some mental problems.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And also like. And I never watched that, but also like there was like kind of like, boy, he's like gambling with like, like.

[Luke Burbank]

Wasn'T it like low wage United Center? Yeah, like the, the, the like security guy at the United center. Who's. Saturday Night Live did an amazing parody of this where they had. Because he was. The guy at the United center was this sort of, I don't know, maybe 40s guy who had this like blonde, very curly kind of long hair, like a really distinctive look and kind of vibe. And in the quote unquote documentary, he's gambling with like Michael Jordan. You know, they're throwing dice and stuff. And, and it's also kind of stressful because Michael Jordan has infinite resources and this guy works at the United States. And SNL had Heidi Gardner play the guy and she did such a funny version. Dude trying to be chill while he's losing everything he owns to Michael Jordan over a meaningless dice game.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that is a good point. That like, sometimes that's why I'm not even saying, like, let's make but a lot of things. By the way, can I just also say, while you and I were Trying to figure out the Errol Morris thing. I'm trying to get my Internet up and running. And the light went out in here. For some reason, one of you and I aren't even using our cameras now. But I always have two ring lights on me, even when the camera's off, Luke. Because I want to be in pictures. And while everything is going on, this light just flicked off. This light that I have on every single day flicked off on me. And now it's like I just feel. I feel so discombobulated. And just all of this was happening. All of my senses were going down. My Internet sense was going down. I couldn't think of Errol Morris's name. I couldn't think of any other documentary that he did, but I had a feeling we're talking about the same person. The light went out in here, and it just sort of feels very weird right now. I feel very out of.

[Luke Burbank]

Would it make you feel better if you learned that your old pal Luke actually got a few of the Fred loichter details correct?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And I'm sorry that I got. I did not help you with that at all. No, I was like, throwing.

[Luke Burbank]

The movie is called Mr. Death. Okay, so it's not Dr. Death.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's why I was getting problems. Okay. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I was giving you the wrong search term. He is a Holocaust denier. So if I had my bell here, I would ding it.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's not me to ding that.

[Luke Burbank]

Anyway, he was. Not for that point of view, but for the fact that he exists, I guess. I don't know what I would dinging. Good point. He also. In this documentary, he is. Prior to the documentary's publication, he was contracted by authorities of several US States to improve the designs of instruments. Instruments for capital punishment.

[Andrew Walsh]

Lights working again. Yeah. So good guy. Well, he also did the one on.

The Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld, right? Oh, sure, he did. A Rumsfeld War that I saw. Oh, yeah, I already mentioned that. The Fog of War. That was that one. Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you. But do you know about. And then, I swear to God, we got to get off. Daryl Morris was Fog of War him. Well.

Hold on.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm taking a look here. Because he also did one called the Unknown Known. I think that was.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, maybe that was him.

[Andrew Walsh]

So was Fog of War.

I just wanted to see if it was Robert S. McNamara was fog of War.

Later on, he did the Unknown Knowns or whatever that one was about the.

[Luke Burbank]

Thing that Rumsfeld famously said.

[Andrew Walsh]

We've got the fog. That was Rumsfeld Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

So did you know though? Okay. Because I've gotten so much wrong about Errol Morris already in this show. Let's do one more thing. Doesn't he have this crazy device that he's built for interviewing his subjects so that they're. I don't know if it's that they're looking at themselves, but he like he has this whole box that's got a mirror in it that the camera is mounted in. It's his interview machine.

[Andrew Walsh]

This rings a bell and I never knew much about it. I always knew Errol Morris is the guy he. His thing it seemed like for a while was you wouldn't see him, but you would hear his questions off camera and off mic, which was like really his style. And I think I'm looking this up. This is not me pretending I know this shit. But I think this has to do with something he developed called the Interrotron, which is amazing.

[Luke Burbank]

That's what I was thinking of, the Interrotron.

[Andrew Walsh]

The Interatron for conducting video interviews. Allowing interviewers and subjects to make eye contact with each other while looking directly at the camera lens. So in other words, they can have a realistic conversation with somebody, but you're looking right at the camera lenses.

[Luke Burbank]

So it's the opposite of what I was describing. What it is, is Errol Morris is having a face to face conversation with the interview subject, but it's actually being picked up on the camera because normally you'd like. For instance, when I'm doing interviews with people for cbs, I'm doing the opposite. I'm always saying to them, just go ahead and ignore the camera and we'll just have a conversation. And I'm trying to really maintain direct eye contact with the person because we're not looking into the camera. But Errol Morris wanted to have the person who's being interviewed staring right into the camera but feeling like they're talking to a person, which is when the Interrotron, the ominously named Interron, comes in.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's it, boys. Throw them in the Interron, we'll get our answers. It says it's achieved by taking a modified teleprompter setup that puts the interviewer's face displayed on a monitor right in front of the camera lens, so the camera lens through it. So you're looking right at a screen. It looks like you're looking at a video prompt of the person's face who's interviewing you, but you're actually, when you're looking at the face, you're looking at the camera. And Also it's reversed for the interviewer as well.

[Luke Burbank]

It doesn't seem actually that hard to build now that I think about it, because all it is is a teleprompter, but instead of words on there, it's somebody's face. But that's exactly what a teleprompter does.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Kind of reversed though. Yeah. Or no, no, no, not. Not reversed actually. Yeah. This is interesting. I'm looking at diagrams of it here. It's pretty cool. So anyway, we did good work here. And the nice thing is everybody's phones are nice and intact. Everybody.

[Luke Burbank]

That's actually forget our bitcoin. We need to invest in. We need to buy some sort of phone repair kiosk at a mall centrally located to our listeners. And then we've got to vertically integrate this, Andrew, so that when we cause them to break the phones, we then get paid to fix the phones. That's what I'm. That's the billion dollar idea right there.

[Andrew Walsh]

I feel like there's. So we can partner with Mint Mobile. I feel confident we can partner with Mint Mobile on this.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure. Absolutely. You know what Alaska Airlines did this morning, Andrew, that I have promoted already on the show and mentioned to you off air that I said was kind of dangerous, was they moved up my flight time this morning, which I've never moved up.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was about to say that's a dangerous game. And that's exactly what you've been saying in your promos.

[Luke Burbank]

That is dangerous.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is a very dangerous game. You can't just do that.

[Luke Burbank]

I was shocked. So my flight this morning from Phoenix was leaving at 7am Phoenix time, 6am Seattle time. And I had my whole plan together down to the minute of, you know, I'm gonna get up at exactly this time, which I'll just tell you, I was like, I have to be stepping out of bed at 6:30 because I have to be getting into the Uber at 6:50 because that will get me to Sky Harbor Airport at. No, sorry. I have to be getting up at 5:30 because I have to be getting into the cab at 5:50 because that will get me to Sky harbor at 6 exactly. I could check my bags and. And then so I wake up at when my alarm goes off, which is 5:30, and I look at my phone to check what's going on with the flight, thinking, well maybe it's delayed and I get to sleep a little longer and I'm looking at it and I go, this flight was never scheduled for 6:55. It was always scheduled for 7 like, am I crazy? Have I lost my mind? And luckily I wasn't. It wasn't one of those mornings where I was cutting it so close. I was planning on snoozing. One time. My thing snoozes for seven minutes. I had decided that I was allowed to snooze it until 5:37. But I didn't avail myself of the snooze because all of a sudden I'm like, oh shit, 6:55. That's a different time than I was planning on, even if only by 5 minutes. So get up, jump in the car, get there, everything is fine. I wasn't in any kind of danger. But when I get up to the gate, I say to the agent, I go, wasn't this flight at seven? He goes, yeah, it was kind of light. So we moved it up to 6:55. Try to get out of here early. And I thought, okay. But that could have created a cascading series of events. Like if I was running super duper late to where, you know, and again, this would never be ideal. But if I was running late to where I need, I was running to the, to the gate. And you closed the gate five minutes earlier than I was expecting or planning. That would be really bad. Like I feel like that you. That as much as I enjoyed, I guess getting to Seattle five minutes earlier, I do think that they should not be allowed to make it earlier than they said it was going to be.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that. I mean they must have to, if they do that, they must have to sit on the tarmac and at least make sure that everybody has boarded the plane before.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I guess you're right. As they do a headcount and everyone who had a ticket is on. I guess. You know what, that's a good point. But, but, but what I would say is if you do the head count and not everyone is on there, you gotta give them that five minutes like you know of before you close the door. So that wouldn't exactly be seven. It would be, you know, 6:50 or whatever. Like once you establish with us the customers that there is a time that the plane is leaving. Yeah. If you can get everybody on and all. Every ticketed passenger is ready to go. Great. But I just, I guess I, I was, it freaked me out because there have been so many times when that five minutes is absolutely the life and death, death difference in terms of me. The life and death of this particular ticket and flight for me. And I could see myself just having a full on meltdown which kind of did happen. To me when I was trying to get out to Minneapolis for Livewire a couple months ago and was running from one flight to the next and was looking on my phone and the flight was still there, you know, ready to take off, but hadn't. And then all of a sudden was just like, had pushed the door back. And I think that might have been a case too, where they just kind of went a little bit rogue. This was the other thing that I learned when I got on the flight this morning, and there was like 30 people on the plane and it was super chill and there was plenty of room to spread out and everybody was in a good mood. I think I might become like a crazy early morning flight guy because that's what I've been having to do this week just to kind of like make sure that there's no funny business. I have been taking the earliest flights available from whatever city I'm leaving. So if there's a problem, I've got some other options. I can try to bump to the next flight, etc. And it, the getting up is really no fun, but it sucks for like 10 minutes. And then the actual experience of being in the airport at 5:50 instead of 11:50 or 2:50, it is amazing. Like, it's, it's so much better flying crazy early in the morning morning.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, that's kind of the reverse of what happened when I was flying out of Cleveland, you know, whatever, a month ago or whatever that was. Now it was a late night flight. It was like not super late, but it was like 8pm And I couldn't, I wasn't sure if it had to do with like kind of the, the shutdown issues that were still happening at airports at the time or what it was, but the airport was dead. It felt like being in school after school hours and only you and a couple of other people or this summer or something along those lines. I go in and there's literally two individuals, like two people flying alone in front of me at the TSA checkpoint. In other words, it wasn't even a line. It was so casual. I just walked up behind the person in front of me and I was just like through in a second. And by the way, I don't know if this is absolutely genius or diabolical, but do you know what Cleveland airport has, right? As you go through at least this particular TSA checkpoint, as you kind of walk, you go through security and you're kind of in the place now where you can, you're not at any particular gate, but you can Start shopping for things. They have an Anti M's pretzels along with an Orange Julius. Those two are often hand in hand, right?

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, smells for days, dude.

[Andrew Walsh]

You just walk in and they were like kind of closing up shop right as I walked in. And I wouldn't go in for that anyway, but my God, the smell of that as you walk into the airport, it's like, how could anybody resist that if you're into that kind of thing?

[Luke Burbank]

I think Anti. Anti Anns or whatever it is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Did I say Anti M's? That's something else.

[Luke Burbank]

I think we all knew what we were talking about here. I think that's one of the best smells in the world. And by the way, I don't really. I don't. I don't generally go get one. Although maybe I should start. But it is like I turn into like Pepe Le Pew cartoon floating on a smell. It is so I don't even know if it tastes good, but golly, does it smell good.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was like, what is Auntie Ems? And there's like one small bakery in Utah called Auntie Ems. But there's somebody posted in the Mandela Effect subreddit. Did mall pretzels, Were they ever called Auntie M's? When I was a kid, I remember that there was a chain of mall pretzel stores called Auntie M Pretzels. Recently, I was in a mall with a few friends, and all we saw was Auntie Ann's instead. Am I alone on this? And other people are saying Auntie M was Dorothy's aunt in the wizard of Oz. I knew I was thinking of some sort of cultural character, so I wonder if it was just one of those things that a bunch of us idiots just.

Accidentally confused in our brains. And then it stuck with me all these years.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I don't know if it's idiocy, but isn't that. God, haven't I learned any lessons today about guessing at things? Isn't that also, you know, Dorothy's.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's what the first person says Auntie M was. Yes, his Auntie M was Dorothy's aunt in the wizard of Oz. Yeah, that was the first thing I read there.

[Luke Burbank]

So I could see how as a kid you see an Auntie Anne. You know, you got wizard of Oz on the brain. That would be a pretty quick. What about Famous Amos? Did you have Famous Amos when you were growing up?

[Andrew Walsh]

That rings a bell. But what is it?

[Luke Burbank]

He was a cookie guy, but he had like some kind of a sort of a cool Bootstrappy story where he like, I feel like he, you know, I don't know if it was later in life or he had just sort of had a bunch of different business ideas that hadn't panned out. But he was just like this dude who decided like to make a cookie empire and he started baking these cookies and people loved him and then feel like you couldn't go in a mall without seeing a famous Amos. And he was like always like he was very in the branding of the famous Amos cookie enterprise as well.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wally Amos was his name name.

[Luke Burbank]

I bought some cookies in south beach the other night. Not on the TBTL card, on my own card.

[Andrew Walsh]

Andrew, it's okay, but you can buy.

[Luke Burbank]

I was walking home from getting pizza with, with listener dan and his 11 and I was walking down south beach and it was like everyone is just wilding out. Like by which I mean there's a million bars and, and like 24 hour restaurants. It seems to be the last bastion of stuff really popping off maybe outside of Vegas. Like I feel like most big cities, even New York City, nothing's open after 11 anymore. It's just the pandemic just changed that for everybody and the businesses realized, you know, well, you know, there are bars that are open past 11, but just energetically I feel like we've never gone back to the pre pandemic energy in a lot of these cities. And south beach seems to have really bucked the trend. There's all kinds of stuff going on. There's young people out on the sidewalk, it's a warm night, people are partying, people are drinking, the smell of cannabis is thick in the air. And I'm walking through all of this with no interest in any of that debauchery. But I do want a little sweet treat before I go to bed to get up at 5 in the morning to go to the airport. Like I couldn't just go back to my hotel and get in bed and call it. I needed a little reward. And I'm walking by an Insomnia Cookies.

So I went into Insomnia Cookies and I was like, am I allowed to buy. Can I buy two cookies? And the lady was like, yeah, of course. I was like, okay. Because they have all these crazy packs of. There's the. I think there's kind of two cookie brands that are sort of vying for supremacy and one is called Crumbl Cookies and one is called Insomnia Cookies.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, hold on one second. I'm sorry. I kind of lost the throat because I wasn't sure if you were being coy there for a second. Insomnia cookies. This is just a regular bakery or is this some sort of a weed bakery?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, no, no, not a weed bakery. Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

I didn't think so. It didn't seem like that would be what you were into. But when you said insomnia cookies, I thought, oh, it's just the name. Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a chain. They're all over. Oh, okay. And like they're. Yeah, they're kind of everywhere in America now. I get the sense that there may be a relatively affordable franchise to buy into the Insomnia cookie people. And, and so. But it's just weird. Like, I guess it's not weird. It's just you walk in and they have. Have like all these different crazy variety packs of these cookies that you can buy. And, and, and you know, the cookies are. Some of them are really over the top with how they're made and stuff like that. And I just wanted two chocolate chip cookies. And I was like, am I allowed to just buy, like, I didn't know if it was a membership club or something. If I have to, like, if there was a, a minimum, if there was a mandatory minimum of how many cookies I needed to buy, I wouldn't be.

[Andrew Walsh]

Surprised in this day and age. Well, you have to join our cookie club.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like the Adobe software of cookies.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You can never own the cookies, but you can join the cookie club.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, you can rent the cookies.

[Luke Burbank]

I was, yeah, I was so, like, I have never gotten cookies from this place. And so I went in and I was like, am I allowed to buy two cookies? And the, the gal was like, yeah, of course. I buy two cookies. I get a thing of milk. And I want to say that was a $20 plus.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, two.

[Luke Burbank]

Two cookies. And they weren't, by the way, they weren't enormous cookies. They were, you know, they were like, they were decent size, but it wasn't like I was buying a wheel size cookie or something. It was two fairly standard cookies that were pretty yummy and some milk. I'll tell you what, though, you know who I still think rules the chocolate chip chip cookie game? And I will say this, I don't care who hears it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Saw. Is this gonna be a major store brand? Can I say, and I really hope we're in sync on this. I'm not. I don't like fighting over people's taste in foods, but I'm hoping you're like me and you like a cookie that is going to bend and not break. So I'm hoping that you, you're thinking like soft batch or something along those lines.

[Luke Burbank]

I am talking about the McDonald's hamburger.

[Andrew Walsh]

Corp. Oh, I've never had one of theirs. We've talked about this.

[Luke Burbank]

My God, I have been known while driving home from LiveWire late on a Thursday night, listening to philosophy talk on OPB to pop into the McDonald's on the way back to my house and get a thirteener of those cookies because they keep. Probably because they're full of some ungodly chemicals. But upon first eating, they are so delicious. They are just like, they have perfected that kind of ooey, gooey, soft delicious chocolate chip cookie thing. But then what's amazing is because I don't eat 13 in a night, I'll put the remainders, the leftovers, as it were. I'll put those in like a Ziploc bag. I'll just leave them on the counter. They don't go stale. They are totally edible. They get a little more firm, but you just, just the right amount. You could just nibble on those for a whole week.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what I'm, as I said soft batch. I was thinking, I remember, I feel like, I remember when soft batch cookies were sort of new. They were like, you know, advertised as like, they're just like soft and chewy out of the package, like, but as if they had just been made. And I don't know, like, I struggle with these brands that I grew up with. I don't know if they were just. They seem better in my memory or if my palette changes or just my standards change. I also think we've talked about this on the show because there have been articles about how the products themselves also, especially when it comes to food products, they're just being made with cheaper, less real stuff these days. And I'll bet you, I don't know the last time I had a soft batch cookie, but I'll bet you I don't like them as much as I think I do. I just feel like I have this recent memory of having a store bought cookie like that and it just seemed like it was made of kind of chemically, chemically artificial cookie stuff, not sugar.

[Luke Burbank]

And you know, McDonald's probably because they still bake them there, you know, in the store. Granted they come in some frozen puck of God knows what, but like, that's my, that's my Ted Koppel impression. So I'm kind of a frozen puck of God knows what. But like, I know what you mean. I Got some. Where did I. I had some cookies that I'm. Can you tell that I've been on a sweet treat spree lately? I feel like I've been eating cookies all over America recently and I forget where it was, but I. Yeah, I. I had a cookie. Like I bought a cookie somewhere or some cookies, and it was that same kind of thing. Like they were pre made, like in a package, you know, maybe it was at the little gift shop at the hotel or something somewhere. And the thing was they tasted. They had that chemical taste.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And feel. Right. It's almost like. It feels like it's made of crystals. That's what I was trying to say before. You don't. It doesn't feel like it's made of like flour and sugar. It's like if you like. You're like, oh, yeah, this is chewy. But it's like. But what is this? It seems more like a chemical crystallized thing.

[Luke Burbank]

And yet I kept eating them. And that was like. I was like. I would take a bite and I would go, I don't really care for the taste of this. Then I would have another bite just to make sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right. I know that movie.

[Luke Burbank]

They were all gone.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Talia]

Thank you, baby.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, let's thank some donors. These amazing folks are donating dough to tbtl and that is the way this whole thing works. It's 100 listener supported. It's the only way this can happen, let me tell you. Thanks to folks like Douglas Delpagio in San Francisco, California.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, Douglas. Are you feeling better now that Luke's back on the. The West Coast?

[Luke Burbank]

I think I. I speak for everyone on the west coast when I say it's mixed. It's a mixed feeling. There's a certain relief and a certain terror that I may come to their house and try to talk about Fred Loyter.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. While eating. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Chemical cookie. I'm not enjoying.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

I Left My Heart in San Francisco. Who does that song? You turn me onto them. It's okay. I still live in la. Oh, the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, the. Oh, geez, man.

[Luke Burbank]

The Errol. The Errol Morrises.

[Andrew Walsh]

Errol Morris and the Swingers. It is. It's like the only song I know by them, so I need to do a little bit of searching. That is a good song, though.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I dig Kind of a trippy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Kind of almost like. It almost feels like an old.

Feels sort of like a. Like a kind of a. A 60s song. But it was made like what, five years ago or something, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I really like them. I really like Douglas Del Pagio as well. Thanks, Douglas. Thanks to Morgan Madison in Seattle, Washington. Morgan, Morgan, you've done so much for the show. I only ask one more thing. Do something for my other show. Come see us at Livewire tonight. Or don't. Thank you very much. Thanks to Susan rotcha for in St. Paul, Minnesota.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, hey. These are Seattle and St. Paul. These are hot tips.

[Luke Burbank]

Very hot. I mean, honestly, like, forget Hot Ones. Forget eating chicken wings and getting real. These are hot zips there. That guy, the Hot Ones guy was one of the hosts of the Macy's Day Parade this year.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah. You know, you just did. Sorry that. I'm not trying to.

[Luke Burbank]

I called it the wrong thing, the Macy's Day Parade.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was funny because I was writing.

[Luke Burbank]

A show description Day parade of Macy's or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. But when I was typing it out the other day for tbtl, I was like, you know, I think people call it the Macy's Day Parade and we've probably explored this on the show, but it's the Thanksgiving Day Parade. There isn't a thing as Macy's Day.

[Luke Burbank]

You're right. You're absolutely right. That guy from the Hot Ones was one of the. He was like the field correspondent for the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. And somehow that felt to me like he had just, you know, that's like, that's peak acceptance of the Hot Ones franchise.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what I mean? It's like it's. I don't know, it somehow it signifies that. Know you been fully embraced as one of the voices of a generation.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

You are interviewing people.

[Andrew Walsh]

You've made it. You made and big time.

[Luke Burbank]

And I'm jealous because I feel like, you know, in my various media jobs we've tried, they had me playing ping pong with Mike Huckabee back in the day, trying to go viral and get people out of the interview box and none of it worked.

[Andrew Walsh]

They should have made a biopic about you called Wonder Boy or whatever that shit is called. I told you I saw that trailer for that movie. I thought it was a. I thought it was a parody. There is a movie out now that is a. It's like a sports documentary about somebody playing table tennis.

[Luke Burbank]

And it is like Marty supreme.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like Mr. Oh, dude, I'm so excited about that movie. You.

[Andrew Walsh]

You are? But it's not a comedy, right? Like, it's, it's.

[Luke Burbank]

No, it takes. It's made by the Safdie. It's made by Josh Safdie. You know, I'm a big Safdie head, I think. I mean, listen, I don't know. I don't know if it'll be good or not, but I actually, I have, I have high hopes for it. It's basically the of. It's based on a real guy who was like. There was this whole kind of ping pong scene in New York City in the like 60s. And there was a guy named Marty. I forget his last name wasn't supreme, but something. And he was like the best ping pong player in the world, but nobody cares or cared. And so it's sort of based on him or whatever. I'm just a Chalamet guy. And also I like the Safdie brothers. So I think I went into watching the trailer with a different set of eyes. Like, basically it's corny, but I just trust them that it's corny, but something good is going to happen. As opposed to like, if you told me it was made by Michael Bay and I saw the same trailer, I would have been like, oh, we get it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know that it was one of the Safties and I kind of can't keep them apart. Right. I kind of. I'm not as deep into that world.

[Luke Burbank]

Of them either, by the way.

[Andrew Walsh]

So they don't do that.

[Luke Burbank]

The director, I think it's the more direct, you know? Yeah. I've got. I'm confused on my safdies as well.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And I couldn't tell you which Cohen does which either at this point.

[Luke Burbank]

That was my safdie school.

Marty Supreme.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's pretty good. But I will be honest with you. I ran out to get like. I remember I ran out of the theater for a second during the trailers to get some napkins or something that I had forgotten. And I come back in and the trailer's already running. And I had no previous knowledge of this project and I really can't explain it, but for people who watched Mr. Show, I hope you understand what I'm saying. It was like Bob and David were gonna like, hey, let's take a parody with all of the like usual tropes of a biopic. And you know me, like, I'm. I'm allergic to biopics and all the tropes in there, like, it is just so cringe to me. And you're right, maybe in their hands it'll be better. Maybe this was just a bad trailer. But I come back into the theater and I'm watching this. It's like, you know, I, I don't. I have no idea what any of the lines were or anything, but it just sort of seemed like it was kind of like, I'm gonna show them. I've waited my life for this moment. But then they're playing ping pong and.

[Luke Burbank]

I totally agree.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well played, Bob and Dave. Well played.

[Luke Burbank]

I, I agree with you that, like, the, the trailer is weirdly like, it definitely seems like they're trying to broadcast as much as they can. Like, they are trying to create like the, you know, the holiday hit. You know what I mean? A family, a movie for the whole family to enjoy. And like, it definitely. There's nothing arch about it coming from the guys that made Uncut Gems or One of the Guys or Good Times with Robert Pattinson, which is an amazing and very edgy movie. You would love that movie, by the way. Yeah, yeah, it's really, really well done. It's pretty funny because you're right, Marty. Now, let me say this, and this is the last thing I'll say about Marty supreme, but Gregory Murdoch in Kuna, Idaho has authorized me to have to do five more minutes of Marty supreme content.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

What I do find. Yeah, thank you, Gregory. Thank you mostly for creating a little opening for me to keep going on this. I actually was going to bring this up on the show. What I will give them credit for is, is they did a really clever bit of, I guess you'd say, earned media or sort of like what they did was they released this kind of zoom meeting which involves a bunch of the producers of the film, Marty supreme and Timothy Chalamet. You know, you can obviously picture this. It's your typical. There's multiple boxes and people. But what's funny about it is it's like maybe 18, 20 minutes long. And in it, Timothee Chalamet is proposing the weirdest and dumbest ideas. Like, it's obviously all kind of improvised. Like, you saw the one where it's like Tim Robinson and John Daly and they were like, pitching the Postal Service on, like, new band members or whatever it is that they're doing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And they had the Postal Service folks there and Jenny actually there.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it was a little bit like that, but it was. But it was actually pretty funny. Like, I think Timothee Chalamet is actually a pretty kind of funny, interesting guy. And he's talking about, like, this particular color of orange that he wants all the branding to be. But it's like, it's getting so insane with how he's Talking about orange. And he's got this one screen, like this square of orange that he's trying to find on his computer to show everyone because he's obsessed with it. And blimps. He wants a lot of blimps. And then after this thing drops, like a week later, there are Marty supreme orange blimps over various American cities, including la, where it flew over Addie's house. And like. And then, like, I'm not doing a good job describing it, but what they. They basically just took like a marketing thing and they actually executed it, like, in a. In a pretty funny, clever way where then it's just like Chalamet is standing outside under one of the blimps and he's going like, the blimp was a good idea.

Just the. The tone of it, I thought was. Was pretty funny and. And, and pretty well done. So anyway, I.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is the first time that I realized it's a safdie project, so I assume it can't be as corny as I thought it was in that.

[Luke Burbank]

But I don't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I. I don't. I'm not with their catalog either. Like, uncut gems I saw, which is a. It's a pretty light. That's kind of like a rom com. I guess that was them sort of.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Playing around.

[Luke Burbank]

Feel good A. Feel good.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you consider. Do you consider Uncut Gems to be a holiday movie? That's what I want to know. A dark holiday of the soul. But, like, that was a movie that, I mean, I really liked that. I'm really glad I saw it. But I'll never watch it again because it gave. It gave kind of a fizz. And again, it's not that I didn't like it. It's not that I am disrespectful in a certain way. That's me saying this movie was really, really well made and it did its job so well that I can't go back into that heart of darkness and just like.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And that. And that rhythm of the movie, the just constant cocaine y rhythm of that movie is just like it gets on.

[Luke Burbank]

Top of me, literally and figuratively. I like to watch it because I think I have undiagnosed adhd.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what your doctor prescribed it.

[Luke Burbank]

It's either that or the cocaine. It calms me somehow or I. I don't know. I really like. But I know what you mean. That movie is just so tough.

[Andrew Walsh]

But it's not cliche. So that's my point. There is like. So maybe I just did totally read that wrong. I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

But also, you know, film. It's weird. It's like sometimes I think also filmmakers just hit a point where they just want to make a really, like, broadly appealing, big hit movie, you know, like, maybe whichever. I think this is Josh Safdie. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna just. I'm gonna call it. It's either Josh Safdie or Fred Lloyd. I think it's as Josh Safdie. Maybe he just wants to make his Forest Gump.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, like a big old predictable movie of triumph starring a likable person that, like, wins an Oscar and everyone enjoys it. You know what I mean? Like, maybe he doesn't want to make uncut Johns all the time. So that could also be. I don't want to vouch for this movie that I haven't seen yet, but I think I'm giving it more. I'm giving it way more slack before having seen it because of the people associated with. With it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I mean, I just typed in. I just typed in Marty Supreme Reviews, and Indiewire says I should, first of all, disable my ad blocker. But it has a real valentine of a headline. Marty Supreme Review. Timothy Chalamet's legendary performance anchors an exhilarating American epic about the true cost of greatness. So I don't know how much we trust Indiewire, but I'm gonna ask my mom.

[Luke Burbank]

What it's getting on Rotten Tomatoes.

[Andrew Walsh]

What is it getting on Rotten Tomatoes? What does Susie think?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. What does Rachel Wagner Marchetti of Ambridge, Pennsylvania think? Wow. Ambridge, Pennsylvania.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is there any. I mean, I don't want to.

[Luke Burbank]

Is it possible that it's a Cambridge?

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it a Cambridge that lost its sea somewhere?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think so, because the A is capitalized. I think it's an Ambridge.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think. Well, I don't. I hope they didn't take Ambridge to my suggestion that it's a typo.

[Luke Burbank]

Love it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Goodness. Love, love.

[Luke Burbank]

Rachel, have you ever thought of that joke? Living in Ambridge, Penns. Thank you, Rachel, very much. Appreciate you. And Kevin Connolly is over there in Cincinnati, Ohio. Thank you, Kevin. You hear me trying to remember what do we. What's. What's Cincinnati's nickname? That's. It's not the Charm City that's in City.

[Andrew Walsh]

No sin.

[Luke Burbank]

Ooh, boy. Do you think they were mad in Cincinnati when Vegas, like, got sin City, like, 200 years after Cincinnati was established? They actually should do be kind of.

[Andrew Walsh]

Mad about that, or they should call Themselves. Sin City with a C though, right? Like Sin City City. They're famous for their chili. And I will say it's like, served a specific way. And I heard some people and I.

[Luke Burbank]

I. Skyline Chile, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Or Cincinnati. I think Skyline is maybe the. The. The. The chain that made it famous, but.

[Luke Burbank]

It'S called the Queen City. Oh, we've been down this road, cuz it's a.

[Andrew Walsh]

It can't be bigger than Columbus, though.

[Luke Burbank]

Is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is Cincinnati bigger than Columbus? Because that's what I always think the rule of thumb there is. The Queen City is usually a nickname for a city that is larger than the state capital. But I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

We've had this conversation recently.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But what I know about Cincinnati is that, yes, they should start calling themselves Sin City. That would be funny. If they get a roller derby team, you know that's going to be the name, so. Oh, yeah, they probably do dibs on that for them. And also we know that Kevin Connolly lives there, which is a. Which is a big plus for Cincinnati as well. Hey, thank you so much to all of our donors for making TBTL happen. We couldn't do this without you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Here I go once again with the email. Every week. I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, Andrew, do we have any vmails or emails that we can enjoy before we head off? I was gonna say slide on down that dinosaur, except I got a little more time in the quarry here doing Livewire tonight. But then eventually I'll be sliding off that dinosaur into the weekend. What do we got in the voicemail department?

[Andrew Walsh]

We have a voicemail here. This is a voice memo that was sent into us. Actually, we're people, a lot of people sending in voice memos, which is cool. If you want to record something on your phone, email it to me. Don't send it as a text. It gets a little bit garbled via text. But you can email me voice memos andrewbtl.net or call the voicemail line. 206414tbtl Talia called and left us this story, which I have not heard yet. Luke, I think you previewed this.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, I've heard this.

[Andrew Walsh]

And it was related to the fact that you had temporarily misplaced your headphones, Right? Your.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Air pods. I always have to think about what they're called, and they're not air buds, they're air pods. You'd left them at a desk at a hotel, and when you went back to get them the distrustful or mistrustful employee made trust but verify, made you, like, turn on your phone, show that they were connected, then play audio through them. It seemed very invasive to me, to be honest with you. And then I believe that is why talk. Talia left us this voicemail.

[Talia]

Hey, guys, this is Talia in Sydney, Australia, and I was just listening to Luke's airpod duplication investigation situation, and it reminded me of an experience I recently had with TSA at lax. So I was flying home from the US A couple of months ago with my two little kids.

And we were all very tired and very overwhelmed, and they were are very cute, but they are very distracting. And they have so much stuff. Oh, my God. Kids have so much stuff. And so we're trying to get through tsa, and we're like, you know those people that are holding up the line, which is not how I travel by myself. Please and thank you.

And so I get everything through. I fold up the stroller, I put that through. I've sent the diaper bag through. I got the carry on through. I take out the laptop, they take out the iPad, do the whole thing. I'm carrying the baby through the metal detector, and it's just beeping and beeping and beeping. And we. The guy's like, try again. And I'm like, oh, my phone. My phone is in my pocket. I'm so sorry. So I hand it over the little box to the woman who is manning the womaning the X ray machine, and she puts it in a bin and puts it on the X ray or the conveyor belt and sends it through the X X ray machine. And I walk down to the other end with the baby in my arms. And obviously, they have to pull the diaper bag aside because they have to, you know, investigate everything in my diaper bag. And of course, I forgot that I had a full bottle of water. And the guy is like, is this water for you or is it for the baby? And I'm like, oh, it's definitely for the baby.

So we get through all that. He swabs everything, blah, blah, blah, gives me my stuff, and he's like, okay, you're all good to go. I'm like, thanks very much. So we get the carry on and put the iPad and the laptop and everything back in the bag and get the stroller and unfold it and put the baby in the stroller, and we've moved over to, like, a separate area. And I'm like, okay, good, we made it. Let me get out my phone and find out what gate we're walking to. And my phone is not in my pocket, so I remember that I've just handed it to the TSA agents, and I run back over to the line that we were in, and I. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. I left my iPhone. And the gentleman in a US Government uniform holds out my iPhone to me and says, unlock it. And my God, Luke talked about how fast your brain can go somewhere else inside of three seconds. I have a lot of what we would consider previously free speech on that phone. And I'm like, oh, my God.

[Andrew Walsh]

God.

[Talia]

My kids are Australian, and I'm American, and I'm about to be detained, and da, da, da, da, da, da. And I just look at the man and I say, why? And he says, so I can make sure it's yours. And I was like, oh, okay. I unlock the phone, and he's like, have a great flight. Thanks.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, man.

[Talia]

Anyway, Power out.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was a good story. I was on the edge of my seat. I didn't know exactly where that was going. And. And, boy, it's all so chilling.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. Like the fact that, Talia, when the government official is like, I need to see your phone, the thought is. So that they can go into my. I don't know, like, my private messages to people or my Instagram posts or, you know, they can basically thought police me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And take my children away and disappear me like that. That's legitimately where her brain went in that moment of time. And instead of what was probably the more likely, what turned out to be the scenario, which was, like, just trying to make sure this is your phone. You're right. It's chilling because I think all of our brains are going there in different ways. And, of course, we're all in different levels of risk for this kind of stuff and exposure. But the fact that.

We have to be worried when someone who is wearing a government uniform asks us for some kind of thing around our phone because we think that it might involve us being sent away. It is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And some of us way more. And just to state the obvious, some of us way more than others. You know, like, that still doesn't affect me the way it affects a lot of other people. Most other people. So, yeah, that.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, Talia, I'm glad that you made it home okay. And. And that the kids made it back to Australia. That is. That's ambitious, because you and I have flown to Australia as grown adults, and I had three bathroom accidents on the plane.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. It's True, it's true.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, as a, at that time time, 40 something year old. So it's just like, you know, bringing those kids all the way to and from Australia, that is, that's an undertaking.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I remember. It's so private. We shouldn't talk about it, but trying to balance you on that little diaper changing shelf in the tiny little like airplane bathroom, when I was trying to clean you up, it was, it was difficult. It was difficult. I'm not trying to make you feel bad about it. And we got it.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I'm in the 99th percentile for height and weight for being a baby. Yes. So they don't really design those. Is there a koala on those things? There's like a little animal.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Is a koala a marsupial? So I feel like whatever it is, it's a marsupial. But I could be wrong.

[Luke Burbank]

I've got. You know what? I've got this Errol Morris documentary about marsupials that I've been meaning to watch that I'll probably watch maybe on Sunday when I'm home and I'll report back on Monday.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

I have the whole thing figured out.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's a marsupial. It's a marsupial. My God, what a great way to go out on a perfect Friday.

[Luke Burbank]

And do not say one more word. No, neither of us. I have to say like five more words. But that's it. Because we've got to end on a high note. All right, that's going to bring us to the end of this broadcast week. Thank you so much for spending the time with us. We're going to be back here Monday with more imaginary radio for all of you. So please, if you can join us for that. In the meantime, everyone, have a really great weekend. See some of you at Livewire tonight. Benaroya Hall. For the rest of you again, stay safe, Take care of yourselves. Go Seahawks. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all.

[Luke Burbank]

Power out.