#4617 USB-C Your Way Out

Summary

TBTL Episode #4617: USB-C Your Way Out

Date: December 11, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh

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Episode Overview

On this Thursday installment of TBTL, Luke and Andrew riff on the triumphs and frustrations of tech upgrades—mainly, the joyful nirvana (and cord-pocalypse) of finally moving entirely to USB-C cables. The conversation expands into tales of phone upgrades, digital hoarding, and the psychology of never getting rid of old tech. Meanwhile, they dip into TV ads, password calamity, the current Soggy Pacific Northwest weather, and, as always, some sports talk (including the unlikely NFL return of Philip Rivers and the curious saga of Jim Harbaugh). The duo also wade through listener voicemails, the Blursday birthday messages, and their own shared neuroses about travel and tech organization.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Luke’s Charging Cable Singularity & The USB-C Epoch

• Main Story: Luke excitedly recounts finally replacing his phone, joining the USB-C era.

  "I have entered the, what would I call it, the bliss state of full charging cable singularity." (07:06)

• Pains of pre-USB-C: Refers to the chaos (“rat’s nest of cables”) when juggling different cables (Lightning, USB mini, USB-A).
• Apple “Nirvana” anecdote: The EU forced Apple’s hand into adopting USB-C, which is framed as a victory for tech sanity.
• Cable Hoarding: Neither host can bring themselves to throw away the obsolete cables, “in case I may need them again at some point.”

  "I now... have a little zipper bag that is literally like so many of those—if anybody needs 1 to 400 different old iPhone charging cables, I have them for you." (09:19)

• AirPods Holdout: The last device charging with the Lightning cable—and Luke’s inventive solution involving a wireless charging pad.

2. Phone Upgrading Rituals, Relics & Digital KonMari

• Hardware Trade-Ins: Luke and Andrew debate the aggravating economics (and “marketing genius”) of carrier trade-in deals. Luke considers selling his old phone, but dreads the Facebook Marketplace rituals:

  "Then I'm gonna have to go to a parking lot and give them the phone. I could also just keep the phone and heaven forbid I lose my new phone...” (11:30)

• Old Cables, Old Devices: Andrew describes sorting his own “banana bread, no nuts” Ziploc full of a wild assortment of cables after a trip home, finally organizing all by type.

  "I sorted that banana bread. Genevieve is sitting there, sitting on the couch... every single kind of cable is getting its own Ziploc bag." (33:56)

• Attachment to Outdated Technology: Andrew keeps certain things (“my old phone”) for rare, specific uses. Both hosts talk about that weird, illogical fear that maybe someday an old cable or plug will be necessary.

3. Tech, Ads, and Irrational Gripes: Commercials, Devices & Passwords

• Phone Commercials Rant:
  • Both hosts rag on phone company television ads, especially the escalating performances by Zoe Saldana and Jeff Bridges, and the manipulative message of “getting” to keep your old phone.
  • Andrew dubs this the “Middleditch problem”: “They used to take people I generally like and make me dislike them.” (16:16)
• Discussing Pronunciations and Name Spellings:
  • A side tangent about the correct pronunciation of Saldana (“I’ve always heard it as Saldana—like you just said it... but it's spelled with a tilde.”) (15:57)
• Password Pain and Trusty Workarounds:
  • Luke gets locked out of his TBTL email on one device, sparking a dialogue about password managers, autofill, and Andrew’s system using LastPass (and occasional post-it notes).
  • Luke on frustration with complex, auto-generated passwords:

    “There is no universe in which I will ever enter that information successfully out of my own brain.” (51:35)

4. Listener Love: Voicemails & Blursday Messages

• Listener Voicemail (Laura from Tucson):
  • Andrew plays a heartwarming call remarking on her initial belief that TBTL was Andrew’s show and Luke was “the other guy.”
  • Luke’s response:

    “Not only are things happening for you now... you’re usurping the show right out from under me and I’m fine with it.” (06:45)

• Blursday Messages:
  • A recurring segment wishing listeners and their loved ones happy birthdays—this episode includes “golden Blursdays” (when the birthday falls on Blursday/Thursday).
  • Notable exchange:

    “Happy golden Blursday to my partner, Danielle… she makes me better because I never want to disappoint her.” – Elle (77:50)

  • Several giggly bits about recurring names and near-administrative meltdowns while trying to thank everyone properly.

5. Weather Reports, Soggy Trash, and Pacific NW Living

• Atmospheric Rivers:
  • Luke describes watching floodwaters rise on the Columbia River and the generally sodden state of the region.
  • Andrew describes checking his sump pump often, a “middle-aged man” ritual:

    “I never thought I’d be a middle-aged man checking sump pump every two hours, but here we are.” (41:55)

  • Clarification on weather forecasts (43:10): The hosts try (and mostly fail) to properly explain what an “80% chance of rain” really means.

6. Show Pics, Shared Taste, and Audience Dynamics

• Andrew’s Editorial Choices:
  • Luke questions why Andrew didn’t use the infamous pizza oven in the show’s image. Andrew explains the technicalities (“black and white blob”—so he picked the nicer shot).
  • Mutual appreciation for their shared sensibilities:

    "You and I are, like, so aligned... the real thing I thought was, 'Oh, I wonder why he didn't use the pizza oven photo. There must have been a reason.'" (39:44)

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Sports Stuff & Memorable Asides

7. Sports: Philip Rivers' Comeback & NFL Oddities

• Philip Rivers, 44, Returns:
  • The hosts chuckle over Rivers’ grandad status (“cherubic face”), lack of fitness, and the weirdness of rooting for a lovable antagonist.
  • Memorable moment from the Rivers press conference:

    Philip Rivers, grinning: “I'm not sure, Greg [what I weigh right now].” (58:48)

  • Luke:

    “He looks like a guy who’s been coaching high school football for the last four years…” (58:12)

  • Both want Rivers to succeed, but not at the Seahawks' expense. Luke jokes about “naked bootleg” plays for Rivers.

8. Jim Harbaugh's Loopy Press Conference

• Andrew shares a “batshit Jim Harbaugh” audio clip where Harbaugh, in a rambling post-game moment, compares the win to the birth of his children and marriage, and riffs joyously but incoherently about “the biblical definition of joy.”

9. NFL, Chiefs’ Downturn, and Doink Lore

• Brief discussion of the Chiefs’ woes, “the double doink” field goal, and sports betting (“[Butker] won me so much money during the Super Bowl because he doinked in the Super Bowl…” (73:18)). Andrew wonders if a doink is only a doink when it’s missed, or if scoring off an upright still counts.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Tech Upgrades:

  "I needed a kind of unified field theory of this whole thing." – Luke (09:19)
  “We will serve under the USB-C regime for many years to come. But, you know, all things change.”—Luke (27:23)

• On Commercials:

  “Phone plan commercials... take people that I generally like and then make me dislike them.” – Andrew (16:16)

• On Listener Dynamics:

  “When Luke came back, I was like, who's this guy on Andrew's show?” – Laura (06:33)

• On Organization:

  “Every single kind of cable is getting its own Ziploc bag.” – Andrew (33:56)

• On Passwords:

  “It's secure, but it's secure from everybody, including you.” – Andrew (51:38)

• On Weather:

  “I used to think when you would see like 80% chance of rain... it meant that 80% of the day would involve rain.” – Luke (43:10)

• On Aging & Nostalgia:

  “Now I can bowl and I should bowl” – Andrew contemplates returning to his “Hard Rain” bowling alter ego (82:42)

• On Birthday Customs:

  “I didn't grow up in a big birthday culture... it would be a cake that was made, a present that was given, and called a good.” – Luke (84:52)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|-----------------------------------------| | 07:06 | Luke’s USB-C singularity revelation | | 11:06–12:34 | The pain/futility of selling old phones | | 13:24 | Discovering hardware shortcuts, new phone features | | 16:16 | “The Middleditch problem” – ads that ruin actors | | 33:56 | Andrew’s elaborate cable organization ritual | | 39:44 | Show pic omission—mutual (non)disappointment | | 41:55 | Sump pump watch & NW flooding | | 43:10–44:30 | Weather prediction confusion “80% chance of rain”| | 58:48 | Philip Rivers’ press conference quip | | 67:42 | Jim Harbaugh’s loopy press conference audio | | 73:18 | Doinks and NFL luck | | 77:47 | Start of Blursday messages | | 84:08 | Golden Blursdays and birthday customs |

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Tone & Language

• Conversational, playful, and self-deprecating.
• Hosts indulge in meta-commentary on their own neuroses, podcast rituals, and sense of shared taste.
• Occasional gentle swearing and casual idioms, reflecting the relaxed style and long-running rapport.

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In Summary

This episode is a tour-de-force in everyday absurdity, neurotic tech talk, and the joys and woes of middle-aged gadget ownership. Whether you’re drowning in old cables, emotionally invested in backup quarterbacks, or just here for the birthday shoutouts, TBTL’s charm is in the honest humor they find in the mundane—and in the overlapping quirks of Luke and Andrew’s personalities. Expect laughs, a little wistfulness, and maybe—just maybe—the inspiration to finally throw out those Mini-USB cables.

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Power out.

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

Six foot ham sandwich. Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

That comes with a squirt. What do you mean, comes with a squirt?

[Luke Burbank]

We have the Italian squirt, the jalapeno squirt, the parmesan oregano squirt, the roasted garlic squirt, the limited time yellow squirt, limited time seasonal pumpkin squirt, low cal squirt, soy squirt, or our secret surprise squirt. I'll try the limited time yellow squirt, please. That's nice. Can I get a pound and a half of that, please?

[Andrew Walsh]

Tbtm. I beg your pardon? I beg your pardon. I'll try that again. A man has.

[Luke Burbank]

Can we just go back to the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Very start of that? Can you say a apple? Apple. Can you say banana?

[Luke Burbank]

You want a toe?

[Andrew Walsh]

I can get you a toe. Believe me, there are ways, dude. You don't want to know about it, believe me. Yeah, but Walter, hell, I can get you a toe by three o' clock.

[Luke Burbank]

This afternoon with nail polish.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's only game. Why you have to be mad. This is how you conduct yourself in a democracy.

[Luke Burbank]

All right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Thursday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. The words mean nothing. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God. He admitted.

[Luke Burbank]

Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where there is this spit of land on the end of Cottonwood island that I stare at usually while doing the show. It is underwater. That is how high the water level is in the mighty Columbia river right now because of this atmospheric river of rain that is still bedeviling us here. Didn't know you like to get wet, though. Causing all kinds of flooding in Washington state. Hope people are doing all right. It's also incredibly foggy here, too.

[Andrew Walsh]

We've got the fog.

[Luke Burbank]

We're dealing with a lot of weather conditions, but as we always say, it's warm and dry here inside the Madrona Hill studio. And the conditions are ideal for bringing you episode 4617 in a collector series.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let the fun begin.

[Luke Burbank]

Quentin Tarantino, the film director, said something unnecessarily mean about Paul Dano, the actor and his performance in There Will Be Blood. And now people on the Internet are coming for Quentin Tarantino.

[Andrew Walsh]

This whole conversation bothers me.

[Luke Burbank]

It's getting feisty out there on the Internet. We don't usually talk about beefs, but this one seems like it's in our wheelhouse. It's Quentin Tarantino, and it's the guy, Zachary woods, the actor from I think the office and other places. Also Philip Rivers, the new quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts. We talked about him yesterday. He's 44 years old. He better stop being so stinking adorable. He's going to have me rooting for him and the Colts against the Seahawks this Sunday. He held a press conference yesterday. It was really something. We'll play some of the tape on that. And it's a Thursday, AKA a blurs day. So we'll wish a very happy, very soggy blurs day to people. And we'll also welcome to the program this soulful rocker from New Hampshire. He is the longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. And his media career is really finally in this fractured media environment. He seems to have found a way to really connect with listeners and readers of the TBTL newsletter. And I feel like his career is peaking at exactly the right moment.

[Andrew Walsh]

Things are going to start happening to me now.

[Luke Burbank]

He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. You know, I wasn't going to do this, but because of that very, very, I guess, I would say, generous introduction you just offered me, very, I guess, complimentary introduction. It did make me think of a voicemail that we got yesterday, which I think I'm gonna play for you here at the top of the show. This is a format breaker. Dig it. This is a format breaker. And it's also, I hope that you.

[Luke Burbank]

I call this the Stranger. Just like to mix it up sometimes, Andrew, 4617 episodes into it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've been sitting on this voicemail about 24 hours now. I seriously did hear this yesterday and I warn you in advance, it is very complimentary to me now. Not at your expense in any way. Although it does feel a little bit weird for me to play this because it's so. Well, you'll understand why I feel somewhat sheepish to play this, but it really did make my day and it really did make me laugh. Take a listen to this and I don't think this needs much setup, but basically this is referring to my hesitation when I was new on TBTL and I was a longtime listener and fan of Jen, who was who was kind of stepping away from the mic for a while. I was really reluctant for a long time, even as the regular host on the show or co host on the show, to say and good luck to all at the end of the show. It felt like I was stepping on toes. It didn't seem like it was my role. I got this voicemail from Laura.

[Luke Burbank]

This is Laura from Tucson, Arizona. I wanted to respond to Andrew saying that he felt like an interloper when he was first on the show.

[Andrew Walsh]

Show.

[Luke Burbank]

When I started listening to TBTL in 2019, I actually had come from Spotless and I had found out about Spotless from some like best podcast episode this week thing. I don't remember where, but which I.

[Andrew Walsh]

Have, I have no recollection if Spotless was ever listed in some sort of a podcast like Roundup, a recommendation Roundup. That is news to me. That's too cool. If that's happening, it's news to me.

[Luke Burbank]

But anyway, I don't remember where, but so I was listening to Spotless and I was like, oh, I love this. And Andrew mentioned he had another podcast, tbtl. And so I somehow managed to start listening during a week where Luke was, was, was absent. And so there were like some guest folks like Phyllis. And when, when Luke came back, I was like, who's this guy on Andrew's show? So I, Luke, I, I love you and I'm of course glad that you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Are on the show too.

[Luke Burbank]

But yeah, when I first started listening.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was like, this is Andrew's show.

[Luke Burbank]

And there's also this Luke guy here. So Andrew, we're very glad you're here. Power out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Very sweet. And Luke, I am giving you permission to sing.

[Luke Burbank]

That was the most apropos drop I could have ever introduced you with. Not only are things happening for you now, you're usurping the show right out from under me and I'm fine with it.

[Andrew Walsh]

You are allowed now to say no mountain too tall at the end of the show. I'm giving you permission. I hope you feel comfortable in that space. Anyway, I know that's very self serving, but it really did make me laugh and blush. But thank you, Laura.

[Luke Burbank]

No, that's a really nice voicemail message and, and I like hearing that actually. Also, Andrew, nothing can hurt me today because I have entered the, what would I call it, the bliss state of full charging cable singularity.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, because you have a new phone.

[Luke Burbank]

I have a new phone and it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Uses the USB C. No, say it like, say it like Huey Lewis Nirvana.

[Luke Burbank]

That was going through my mind as you heard me stumbling around.

[Andrew Walsh]

I got a new phone.

[Luke Burbank]

That story for new listeners, for rookies was that one time happened to be having dinner in Portland at the Hotel Deluxe in the Driftwood Room and Huey Lewis of the News was sitting next to us, was going to be playing Seattle the next night and said to his table mates as he stood up to leave the dinner, yeah, we're going to Seattle tomorrow. Nirvana.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was listening to a lot of Nirvana last night, actually, and I thought about how cliche it is. I listen to Nirvana so much less because I live in Seattle. I know if I lived in another city, I would listen to it more, but it feels so on the nose. But yesterday I was taking the E line.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like listening to Michael Stanley if you live in Cleveland.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. You don't want to be caught doing that. And so I was blasting the album Bleach in my headphones on the bus on the way home last night. It just felt like the right thing to do. And I'm like, none of these people know I'm listening to something that seems cliche in these. In these parts. Anyway, I'm sorry to interrupt. You got a new phone.

[Luke Burbank]

I got a new phone over the weekend and it's a. It's an iPhone. But the main reason that I wanted to get a new phone was so that I could get on the same. Because everything is a USB C now, pretty much, you know, most. Most devices. I think that the reason this happened with Apple was because of the European Union. I think that they. Because some places over there actually are running functional governments. They said, we can't have like one cell phone manufacturer that's got their own thing going on. And then literally everything else is on USB C. You guys get with the program. We're not going to sell your iPhones over here. So they got with the program. But I still had the old kind. And what it meant was I was always, you know, grabbing the wrong little cable. And it would always start with one side of it would be like maybe USB or even USB C on one side. And I'd go, oh, perfect. And then I would get to the other side and it would also be USB C. And it wouldn't go into my phone or I'd be trying to charge something that needed a USB C. And it would be. I'd have the light, the. Whatever it's called lightning bolt cable. It was just too. It was too confusing. There's too many opportunities for me to bring the wrong cable with me. And I needed a kind of a unified field theory of this whole thing. But there was one problem, which was my AirPods still charge using the old school lightning connector. And I was like, well, this stinks. Except what I realized is I have a charging pad in my bedroom on my nightstand, and I can put the AirPods on the charging stand and they charge overnight. So that's now where the AirPods get charged in the house. I now if anybody needs 1 to 400 different old iPhone charging cables, I have them for you. I have now a little zipper bag that is literally like so many of those. Like you know, the ones that. For the old kind of iPhone charging port that I had. And I don't know what to do with them, but I cannot bring myself to throw them out.

[Andrew Walsh]

And that's a. That literally a mixed bag like you're describing. Like you're gonna have a kind of a ma. What's the word I'm looking Ma. I think I just had aphasia. I think I'm just making noises. You have a maha. Genevieve had a bit of aphasia the other day. She just said two words that had nothing to do. Neither word aligned with the words she was trying to say.

[Luke Burbank]

Were you in conversation or did you just say them out loud?

[Andrew Walsh]

We were in conversation. I asked her about something. It was just a quick news. I remember it was two words. I'm sorry, that. That's a bad story because I can't remember what it was. But she was like, what just happen? And she's like, I didn't. Neither one of those words were supposed to come out of my mouth. All of this. So this bag that you have though, it's going to be a whole. It's going to be literally a mixed bag of various combinations of one thing.

[Luke Burbank]

That's kind of my. Yeah, it's the catch all for any cable that honestly I don't need anymore, but I can't bring myself to throw out in case I don't know. Well, I guess one thing is I still have my old iPhone. I was thinking about maybe trying to sell it on the dark web because I was told I could get up to $300 for it. But then I need to factory reset it. Then I need to like go on Facebook or someplace where people sell cell phones. Then I need to make an appointment with. Then I need to. Someone's gonna haggle. Then I'm gonna have to go to a parking lot and give them the phone. It's like I could also just keep the phone and heaven forbid I lose my new phone. I would have a backup phone that works, but then I would need charging cables for it.

[Andrew Walsh]

A backup phone that would work. Yeah. I get a little bit confused with SIM cards though. If you've phone, would you be be able to activate the SIM card on your Old phone.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't.

[Andrew Walsh]

They even.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I don't think that they. They didn't even take a SIM card out of this phone.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. I think that might have to do.

[Luke Burbank]

With Apple versus maybe Android stuff or something. But yeah, what they did was they put my new phone. This was kind of. Kind of cute, actually. They put my new phone next to my old phone as they were transferring the. All of my information. And the. The woman at the Xfinity store placed them together so they were just kind of touching, just kissing up against each other. And I go, does that make a difference? And she goes, it seems to go faster.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

I thought. I don't think that's how any of this works. But.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, that's like that scene from the. The Chair company that I told you about. He just takes his phone at one point and transfers files or I think photos from his phone by just tapping it on top of the screen on his laptop. But that show is so weird. I can. And I. Because I don't use Apple products, I wasn't sure if that's actually a thing. Thing that you guys can do over there on the Apple side of things. Just tap. But I looked it up and I don't think it is possible. I think it was one of those things that they just threw into the show.

[Luke Burbank]

There is actually some stuff on this phone that is. It's taken me a while to learn about it, but they do have one button that is so smart. It's just a camera. It's on the side of the phone and what it does is it's a dedicated button that just takes you right into camera mode.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. Yeah. If I double click my button, it does that.

[Luke Burbank]

It probably was on my old phone in some capacity like that. I just never knew about it. But now I just have this dedicated button which is really smart because there's nothing worse than you want to take a picture of something and you're hunting around on your homepage for the folder that has your camera in it.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, you're right. I mean, I keep my camera. I don't know if you can see this. I keep my camera app, like kind of front and center. I have a bunch of pages of apps. I assume that yours are the same, but right on my main page, I always make sure that my camera camera app is right there. But you're right. Like the other day I accidentally double tapped and it went into camera mode and I was like, oh, come on. But you're right. I should do that more Just all I have to do is double tap that button and here I am. I'm suddenly a photographer. I just took a photo of you. Good job. And you snap to attention there. You're like, camera's out. I know what I need to do. You're a professional. Media professional. Exactly. I was going to mention something about my. Oh, well, one thing is. So when I got my new phone, which is, I don't know, maybe six months ago, maybe more, I. Back in the day, sometimes they would take your phone. This is a marketing thing that I think is astounding. I can't remember which company Zoe Saldana uses.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know, but it's a high energy situation. They're always making her yell in the commercials. And I think. I don't really feel like it's playing to her strength as an actor.

[Andrew Walsh]

The fact that I even said dude there is maybe not accidental because they also have Jeff Bridges reprising his sort of dude role in some of those.

[Luke Burbank]

And Zoe Saldana's husband, who I don't know if that person is an actor or not. I feel like they were throwing him a bone.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that was very strange as well. And by the way, I am pausing here because this is something that came up on tbtl. Zoe Sal. I said Zoe Saldana because when I was. I've always heard it as Zoe Saldana. Like, you just said it. And when I was maybe talking about this on after these messages, I was, I don't know, typing in her name or something, and I realized there was a tilde. I don't know if that's a proper name for it in this context, but the tilde, the squiggly line over the N, which would make you think that it's always Saldana. And I'm like. But I've never heard that before. But a listener wrote in to say, no, it is pronounced Zoe Saldana. But you've not. Have you heard it? I've never heard that. Yet it's spelled.

[Luke Burbank]

Doesn't sound very American to me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, that's a whole nother thing there. Right? So, Mike Smith, I guess I can't remember my original point, but going back to what you were saying about her being high energy, there's something about commercials, but specifically, I feel like phone plan commercials that take people that I generally like.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

And then make me dislike them. I'm sure I've told you this before these. And I talk about it a lot. But, like, it's another example, like, they used to have her in commercials where she was in. Well, this I guess goes back to my original point. They were more low key commercials. She was in like a T mobile store or whatever company.

[Luke Burbank]

She was wearing for some reason a very puffy.

[Andrew Walsh]

She was wearing a puffy jacket. But I didn't mind that. I thought that she was like, I thought she was relatable. I generally just like her. I think she's just a relatable person. And she would make a joke. I think she was like saying, oh, I got it in here somewhere. And she was like taking out all her kids toys or something out of her purse. It was like, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not submitting it to the Cleos. But it was generally. But then they just keep ramping it up, ramping it up until she's grabbing the camera in other commercials and yelling. And then, then they put her in some sort of fake home situation with her husband who needs a chiron to explain who he is.

[Luke Burbank]

And then he is a former professional soccer player and described as a producer director, which sounds like he probably was allowed to produce some of his wife's films.

[Andrew Walsh]

Maybe he produced that commercial. And then like Jeff Bridges right on camera who's clearly doing his dude character like wearing a robe. But none of it makes any sense at all. And it makes you dislike all of it's what I have now dubbed the Middleditch problem because they did that with Thomas Middleditch. Verizon did that to him. I'm like, oh, I like Thomas Middleditch. I have a good feeling when he comes on the screen. By the end of that campaign, I just wanted him out of my life forever. And I feel bad saying that. Sorry, Thomas.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I was thinking today about that halcyon time when we had the I'm a Mac, I'm a PC commercials because tonight on Livewire, which by the way will be at Rev hall in Portland tonight, probably see some folks down there. John Hodgman is one of our guests. Oh, this is a legit thing. If you live in the greater Portland area and if you are a big fan of Judge John Hodgman, the show that John does with Jesse Thorne. And if you bought some merch from that show, including they sell a candle, Andrew, that the scent is justice.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, nice.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a justice scented candle. I'm really trying to get my hands on one today because I wanted to light it on stage and smell it with John Hodgman and kind of talk about the scent of justice. But we can't Seem to locate one, like he's asking on Instagram because they. They generally live with the Max fund people somewhere in a warehouse. So if you're hearing this, I mean, it would be pretty crazy if someone hears this in time, but if you're in the Portland area and you have Judge John Hodgman scented Justice Candle, please reach out to me via, I don't know, Instagram or something, and I'll come.

[Andrew Walsh]

Get it from you and then. But then send it to the Supreme Court.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. But anyway, where was I going with that?

[Andrew Walsh]

Something about I, you know, can I finish my point? Which is just. It was going back to this, my cell phone dilemma here. When I got my new phone. It's my. It's the first time it doesn't have like an. What we call an aux jack or a headphone out jack, a traditional one. It just has the. Just the USB C for charging. And then I guess I would get spec. I guess you're just supposed to use Bluetooth or you get some sort of a dongle situation. So I saved my old phone and I only use it once every two weeks for one very specific audio need I have when doing the spotless podcast, because, you know, I only have so many inputs into my various computers, and I just needed one more input just to play this audio track over music at the end of every episode, which we only do every two weeks. So once every two weeks, I got to charge up this guy, which I was using regularly just a few months ago, but now feels like some sort of relic from, I don't know, from some war I fought years ago. It seems so beat up or whatever. So I do. I have kept this for that one particular reason. But I guess what I was getting into with the marketing was back in the day, I would get a new phone and they'd be like, well, do you want to trade in your old one for some money? I'd be like, sure. Are you going to wipe it? And they're like, sure, fine. And then Zoe Saldana is doing these commercials where she's like, I get to keep my old phone. Do you remember? They were turning into this, like, selling point. Like, we're not accepting your old phones anymore. But they turned into sort of. And I was just like, wait, that was. You guys invented all of these rules. Like, it was just such a. I was so flabbergasted by it. It's like they have this whole campaign now. It's like you get to keep your old phone. And it was kinda like, well, you guys Were just offering to take them before. Like, I was. How was that suddenly a selling point? Like, we're not gonna give you money for your old phone anymore. Aren't you happy? It's like, man, they'll just, like, market either side of that.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. Well, that came up when I was getting my new phone, and I was talking the other day about how, like, they're. They basically have me under a contract that they refuse to call a contract.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love that.

[Luke Burbank]

They gave me this allegedly $729 iPhone, but they took $400 off of it. But only if I agree to pay off the rest of it over the course of 32 months. And if I don't, then I owe them the $400 that they'd given me off, which is what a contract is. And the other part of it was she was like, you could trade in your phone, and then we'll give you $500 off of this new phone. And then the guy. This is why I like the Xfinity people, but they're pretty chill. The guy that was like. Like, the other worker there was sitting over at his kind of workstation, and he goes, what kind of phone is it? And I said, it's like. I think it was, like, an iPhone 10 or something. And he goes, oh, yeah, don't. He goes, sell that. You can make $300 on that. Like, you can make 300 real dollars. Or I could get $100 off. And. And so, I mean, really, what I should have probably done is taken the hundred dollars off because I don't see myself. I just laid out for you all of the hoops I have to jump through in order to sell my phone.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And probably what I'll end up doing is just hanging onto it. It forever and, you know, and not getting even $100 for it.

[Andrew Walsh]

But do you have somebody in your life who does that, though? Like, for me, Genevieve loves selling things. Right. So I have, like, this audio board that she's posting online, and the various sites, whether it's. I don't think it's buy nothing and then think that's more of giving stuff away. But even that, like, when we have something to get rid of. Genevieve likes doing that. Doesn't your mom or somebody play around in that digital space of, like, not really.

[Luke Burbank]

If I need something returned, that's when I call Becca. She is the queen of the return girlies. She does not like trying on clothes in the store and regularly buys things, takes them home, tries them on, and only then decides if she likes the item or not, which is actually in.

[Andrew Walsh]

This day and age, that's how people are buying clothes online. So maybe. Yeah, it's not as crazy as it would sound back 10 years ago.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I guess. I mean, it still seems like. I mean, literally most text conversations are like, oh, how's your day going? Good. I just was returning some stuff. It's almost always like, I was. I was just at Nordstrom returning some stuff. But she returns food, by the way, sometimes. Like, if she bought something. This apple is supposed to be a size 2. No, but like. Like, if she bought, you know, something and, like, you know, it was like she bought fruit or something, and it was, you know, she opens up the bag of cherries and there's a bunch of bad cherries in there or something, she will take that food. Which is. Which is funny, because that seems like a move my mom would pull. Doesn't seem like a move Becca would pull. But, hey, she's, you know, she's smart with. With a dime, so. But no, I don't have anyone in my life who is willing to, like, sell my old cell phones, you know, on the open market. So it will probably end up just hanging around my life for the foreseeable future. But there is something weird. I cannot bring myself to throw out those cables because I feel like. I don't know, it just feels like I may need them again at some point. So those will also just live with me for the rest of my life. But this is the thing, because I now have a way of charging my AirPod cases and the AirPods as well, and now a way of charging them just without having to use another cable for that. It means the only cables in my house, Andrew anywhere, are now USB C. Like this one here. That's at my workstation.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just thought of one thing that you might want to throw into your Go bag, though, because when you go on a long trip, your earbuds are not. I have to slow down when I say that word. Your earbuds. Earbuds are not going to last. How long does a charge last? If you're on the road, you're going to need to charge them. And you're not taking your station, are you?

[Luke Burbank]

We know what else is in the Go bag. I have two little very cool charging batteries, okay, that are fully charged at all times. That would also charge the AirPods.

[Andrew Walsh]

But how do you connect those to the AirPods? That's my point. You need one.

[Luke Burbank]

AirPods would sit on them.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. So the battery does it. Is it's one of the contacts.

[Luke Burbank]

They're backups in case I'm somewhere where I can't plug my phone in. Like if I was on a really long flight and the charger wasn't working or something. I always have these two charge. And they use USB C. Well, that's.

[Andrew Walsh]

What I was getting. I thought you were saying that you could just set it on top of those. No, no, they do have to be plugged in. They use USB C. Oh, they use USB C to charge themselves.

[Luke Burbank]

The battery needs to charge.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

But the battery can you. Through osmosis, it can charge.

[Andrew Walsh]

Osmosis. See, I should get some of those. I. I remember when they first started coming out with those things for Androids, but they were at the time, and this goes back a ways, they were reportedly pretty slow, but they must have gotten past that now. So I should get some of those.

[Luke Burbank]

The ones I have are pretty handy, I have to say, and have saved my bacon more than once. So, yeah, I would recommend. But those use USB C. So you are looking at a feller, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Is down to one cable to rule them all. Everywhere. In my house it was. I had this rat's nest of cables in my kitchen that was kind of in this area where I've got some cookbooks and things and you know. And also, you know, I had. It's just so funny how this technology just becomes so obsolete so quickly. So I had plugged into. There's a power outlet. This is kind of at the countertop height. In my kitchen there was a power outlet. And what I had plugged into it was something that used to be absolutely top of the line, which was something that would give you more outlets, you know, so it's like your standard, like two outlets, but you plug in this. This plastic thing that has four outlets and two USB slots.

[Andrew Walsh]

The original USB A, I think it's technically.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, us. Oh, that's technically its name. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Usb.

[Luke Burbank]

And when I remember buying those and thinking the future is now. We will never exceed this technology. And now. I wouldn't piss on that now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Did you, when you installed it.

[Luke Burbank]

Angers me to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Look, I would. I wouldn't piss on you if you're on fire. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I also. I would probably get an electrical.

[Andrew Walsh]

So never yet in a place I'm.

[Luke Burbank]

Trying not to get electrical shocks. I don't know. Could help, maybe. Could help.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Who knows?

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe hurt.

[Andrew Walsh]

You could find yourself.

[Luke Burbank]

Couldn't be worse.

[Andrew Walsh]

You could find yourself on Mars. What's the name of that character from Watchmen who Finds himself on bars after.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, Dr. By.

[Luke Burbank]

Acted by Billy Crudup, I believe.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that true?

[Luke Burbank]

He's like the naked guy, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah. He's naked in blue and bald guy. What's his name? That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

Dr. Manhattan.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, Dr. Manhattan.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Anyway, that one was. That one was for John Scaroff. He just docked both of our pay, by the way.

[Luke Burbank]

Tough but fair.

[Andrew Walsh]

But. Oh, shoot. Oh. I was going to say when you were installing your new outlets for your studio that you're in now and any other home, Reno. I remember briefly talking to you about this on the show. Were you tempted or did you end up putting in, you know, like permanent wall sockets that have some sort of usb?

[Luke Burbank]

No, because even then, I think I had a sense things were. What I realized was, and this was kind of my philosophy of the whole house remodel was don't do anything that's too in style right now because it will be out of style at some point. And that includes, like, I mean, I. I'm hoping that we've. Now there will. We will. Peace will. You know, peace will ring through the land of charging ports. And that we will. We will serve under the USBC regime for many years to come. But, you know, all things change. And so I didn't want. I didn't want to do that because I didn't want to have put in a bunch of things that were going to become obsolete now, which would have.

[Andrew Walsh]

Happened, I guess that's.

[Luke Burbank]

Unless I would have done usbc, I guess.

[Andrew Walsh]

See, that's kind of the thing. First of all, I just wrote a show title down, just a possibility. Usbc your way out.

[Luke Burbank]

That's pretty good.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because usbc, it was wonderful when it came around and it became more universal. But there's still sort of a development since then, which is we were all going from traditional. I'll just call it traditional USB to USB C. The end that you're plugging into the power usually was still a regular big usb. And then it would go to USB C on the other side. But as I think you are. I don't think you said this today, but are implying it is now it's USB C on both ends in some cases. And I guess that's the ideal, like coming and going. It's all usbc. But like you, I had. So I had not a fancy bag, a Ziploc bag. Me and Walt were just using like Ziploc bags.

[Luke Burbank]

This is why you have bonds, money and I don't.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's right. Literally, I think the bag I was using said banana bread, no nuts on it for a while because it was a recycled bag from Pop Up. But I had like just a whole bunch of. A whole bunch of these kind of cables in there. But there's still. I still have some devices that use what I think we call USB mini or mini usb, which was the one right before usb C, you know, was sort of standardized, but certain headphones would need to be charged with it. Even my nice Bose, I've thrown all.

[Luke Burbank]

Those into the river.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's. Well, somebody said, like, somebody put on Bluetooth. Something that really stuck with. Somebody put on Bluetooth. Somebody put on Blue sky about a year ago. And it really stuck with me because I saw myself in this so much and I felt so judged and so seen, but not in a good way. But somebody said, if you're still. If you're still hanging on to USB mini cables because you have devices that use it, like, you need to get rid of those devices. This is on you now. And I was like, I know, but this Bose speaker is so good. Like, I still have some things that held up, you know, that, that like, especially Bose stuff is good. What am I going to do with this thing?

[Luke Burbank]

You know, it uses USB C, USB mini. I have my home camera system, which, by the way, kind of sucks.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would not recommend security system, security cameras.

[Luke Burbank]

And I, you know, I got on this blink train and I'm not very happy with it. All of the. The cameras just periodically stop talking to the little. There's a little black cube that has to be plugged in in my house at all times. That is kind of the spiritual hub for this thing. Like, it's not itself a camera. So something to do with what the cameras are doing. But unless I unplug it and replug it in about every week, it just goes out of sync with the cameras. And then, like, nothing's happening on the cameras. And then to take the cameras down, I have to like. And they're all battery powered too. So I have to take them down, like either hard reset them or sometimes change the batteries just. Which kicks them into a gear. And then they'll get them all working for like three or four days. And then I'll go on my phone, I'll be out of town. I want to, you know, see if someone's been moving my pizza oven. And. And they'll be like, this camera's offline. This camera's offline. There's not a very good system in my experience. But that little whatever that Is that hub. It needs a USB C. So as long as I have this. Ding.

[Andrew Walsh]

USB mini.

[Luke Burbank]

USB mini. Excuse me. It needs a USB mini. So that's kind of messing with me because I would just like to get to the point I would like to achieve total cord freedom, which is to say I would like every device in my life to use USB C and I would like every power cube I have to only use USB C. And then I never have to think about anything again for the rest of my life. So my life will finally make sense.

[Andrew Walsh]

And then everything will be. And then you get a coat hook right next to the. That uses USB C. Uses USB C. I need to ask you in a moment. I have two things I need to get out of my system. And one of them is asking you if you're disappointed in me about something. So. So let's hold that one because I have a feeling that one will pique your interest. It won't slide by. The more boring or prosaic maybe story I want to tell you is. So I did have this big bag that might have said banana bread, no nuts on it. Just had all of these kinds of cables. And at one point it was sort of more sorted out. But let's go over. You have usb, let's just call it like the regular USB to USB C, regular USB to USB mini ones that are USB C on both ends. And then some converters that we had. And then I swear I have like a fourth kind of cable. And they were all in this one bag. But then I would sort of take out the good ones and put them in a separate bag. And then I had sort of my own little version of a kind of a go bag. If I was doing. If I was traveling, but especially traveling for work, then I would have like a kind of a smaller set of these cables that I could just kind of grab the bag. But it's never with me, a real go bag, because I still have to take inventory before I hit the road. So anyway, it was just a mod podge. And I got back. Not to make it dark, but it was after. After my trip to Arizona when my mom died. And I remember coming back and unpacking all of my stuff. And it was like literally the night I got home was I unpacked. I'm very fastidious about that. Anytime I'm back from a trip, I'm so glad to be home that I open up my bag right away and I just start doing laundry. Like, I do not go to bed that night until my suitcase is fully emptied and put away and everything is back in its place and I can move on with my life.

[Luke Burbank]

One of my least favorite tasks, by the way, for reasons I can't explain, I don't.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't blame you for that at all. But for me, it's almost like. It's almost like the feeling that folding clothes has. Like, you. Some people, you can see it as sort of an onerous task, but then other times it just hits, right? Because you're like, this is what I'm doing right now. And I'm putting on tv. I'm going to put on TV and I'm going to do this. And so I did all of that. And then I was like, you know what? Instead of just jamming all these cables that I brought with me on that trip back in this bag, I'm sorting them all now. And so I got more banana bread bags. And just like, I sorted that banana bread. Genevieve is sitting there, sitting on the couch as I'm taking up so much space on this couch, just organizing. Every. Every single kind of cable is getting its own Ziploc bag. Oh, and then another bag that is full of just the various, I guess, plugs that they can go into. The kind that can then go into the wall if you don't have one that's USB ready.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you remember the period when getting one of those that was associated with a device just felt like Christmas.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And now they don't come with it anymore. They're just like, get your own damn plug. They come with cables, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, depending. I feel like I'm still. Well, I. Anyway, I don't want to. I bought this thermostat for my house the other day and it came with. You could tell it's an international company because it came with not only a plug in, but then a European plugin. Oh, another one. That one, by the way, usb. C. But. But I remember back in the day when, like, you'd either buy, like, for me, you'd buy one at the, like, Apple store. Like the. The highest. The most elite level of the. We'll call it the plug in cube. And then, you know, that would be like the good one. That would be like, you know when you got, like a good pair of socks that come up in the rotation and you're, like, excited. I'd have my good, like, $25 charging thing I got from the Apple Store. But then sometimes when you'd buy something else, you just get kind of a random one and it'd be like, ooh, okay, I'm saving that. You know, but those ones always seem, like, less good to me. Like, I don't know if they were cheaper or if they were less effective, but I have.

[Andrew Walsh]

Depending on the product. But then you have another tier in there, which maybe you never messed around with, but, like, we have, like, three or four that I just dislike because they're super cheap. I don't know if we were, like, on a road trip and had to buy an emergency one at a gas station, or maybe Genevieve just bought them off of Amazon 10 years ago. But they're the bad ones that come up in the rotation. I think you work. But I'll bet you even work that well.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, the same with the cables. Like, I remember there'd be some of those where it'd be, like, the bad one. And then also the cable was fraying and just that. That's a terrible combination. That's just. I'm not going to sleep well that night if that's somehow what's being used by me. But anyway, I'm very happy now, looking around my house. I got that rat's nest fixed in my kitchen, in my bedroom. It's. You know, I've got that charging pad, so I can just put the phone on that out here. I've switched over Andrew to USB C and it's again, my. I feel myself calming down even. Even as we are recording today.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right, now, my question for you is, if you're disappointed in me, did you. Maybe you can just do this right now. Go to the TBTL homepage and see the image that I used for the show pick. Actually, you might be disappointed in the show pick. The last two days. Yesterday, I just. I thought it was so funny. I just found a generic stock photo of some strawberry apples to use. I just thought that was funny. I know you wanted me to use Ursay's daughter, whose name I can't remember, but it was. I just felt like having. Having Rob Lowe in his NFL hat and then having her, like, on the same kind of page was a little bit much. But in between the Rob Lowe and the applesauce is a screenshot of the security cam footage that you sent me a couple of shows ago. The story was that you. Your grill, I guess because of the wind, sort of mysteriously moved.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, not the grill, the pizza oven.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm sorry, the pizza oven. My mistake. The other outdoor cooking device had moved, and you were like, how did this happen? So you go to your cameras, your.

[Luke Burbank]

Security cameras, which was actually working for.

[Andrew Walsh]

Once, which was working but only in the mode where it kind of takes a snapshot every. What was it, five minutes or something like that.

[Luke Burbank]

Whatever it is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And so I had to, like, kind of scroll through a video and then choose which screen cap to grab, and I grabbed one. Now, what is your reaction to the screen cap that I grabbed?

[Luke Burbank]

I will say that when I saw this the other day, I did slightly wonder why you picked a screenshot that didn't have the pizza.

[Andrew Walsh]

I knew it. I knew it. That's. I was having that thought. Do you know why I chose one without the pizza oven? Why? Because it was totally grainy. It was a terrible photo. It just looked like black and white blur. But at least I am right to know that you had. I just had a feeling like, if I don't talk to Luke about this, he's going to be like. Like, why did dude use a photo when the whole thing was about the pizza oven and you used a screen cap without the pizza oven? It was because it was completely unusual.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks for the explanation. And I was wondering about that because.

[Andrew Walsh]

You notice how, like, this one is a nice. It shows a nice kind of view off your porch, and it's in color and you can see at night it goes to black and white. And it just didn't look like anything as a still shot. It just sort of looked like a blob. And I was like, I'm gonna go with a nicer photo. But it also, I know, sort of of undermined the whole purpose of what I was supposed to be using the image.

[Luke Burbank]

This is Andrew. Why I feel like I have such a good time working with you. And I mean this actually very seriously. This is.

[Andrew Walsh]

By the way, I'll stop the tape. I'll stop the tape.

[Luke Burbank]

Today is late. We're celebrating Andrew's birthday late. There's all things in celebration of Andrew. But no, you and I are, like, so aligned. You could say codependent in our way of thinking about pretty much everything around this show. That, like, the real thing I thought was, oh, I wonder why he didn't use the pizza oven photo. There must have been a reason.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Luke Burbank]

It wasn't like, Andrew messed this up or why did Andrew do this thing? That was, like, confusing to me. It was like, there's a reason. Because you and I are so similar in how we think about these things that I just intuited that you had made that decision and that I agreed with the reason you had made that decision.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I am glad to hear that. Cause I did Think that you might think what? This idiot is missing the whole point of this thing.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I assumed there was some. There was a good reason and. And you had a good reason. So it's also a bummer because it's like a. It's like a. I mean, you can just see we are in that time of year where it is just crummy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Everything's covered in. It is a beautiful. I mean, for a security footage though. It's actually a very beautiful shot though. I mean it looks like.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, like my deck is just like moss covered now because it just never stops raining and. And like it's just that it's that time of year where everything is damp and just kind of, you know, spring is obviously so lovely. Everything is springing. Summer is kind of nice cause you got the blue sky. Winter can even be kind of lovely when you get some snow or something. There's just this like. Everything just has a. Like a layer of slime on it. Season that we're in that I just, I feel like is represented in this photo and I don't like it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think I forgot to take out the trash last night. Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I did it. I did it. I remember posting it to blue sky. I'm sorry, I don't know what you said. Oh, I was looking out my window and thinking about how terrible the weather is. And then I was like, I. That was one of the worst feelings I've ever.

[Luke Burbank]

I lost you for a second. I was looking at the photo of my deck and complaining about how it looks really wet and. But I could hear. I wasn't looking at you, but I could literally sense a disturbance.

[Andrew Walsh]

Your brainwave. I was literally about to ask you, can we stop down? We gotta take a break now. We'll thank the contributors when we get back. I gotta go take out the garbage, but. No, no, the garbage is down.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you hear the garbage truck?

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that. No, you were talking about the weather. And so I looked out my window instinctively and I was like, oh, is it raining right now? Because like basically for the past four days I've seen nothing but water dripping off of this one little banister.

[Luke Burbank]

And you guys don't have any flooding issues anymore? Like everything that sump pump is doing its job.

[Andrew Walsh]

We're checking. I mean, I told somebody the other day, this is like. I never thought I'd be a middle aged man checking sump pump every two hours, but here we are. That's actually, that's what I said. I Think it was on blue skies, but life comes at you fast. But I. And so I'm, I'm hopeful. Like, so far everything has been fine. But you're hearing about a lot of flooding. I mean, in other areas in the Skagit region, you're hearing about people actually having to evacuate. Like, it's no laughing matter. But for us, it's just kind of like, boy, just will this sump pump hold. But I am really shocked that, that when our basement flooded two winters ago and the sump pump stopped working, I thought. And some listeners who know more about some pumps than I do, even more about some pumps than I do said, listen, not to be a bummer, but once your sump pump fails you once, it's going to fail you again. Like it's on its way out. But that must have been, I mean, get. Knock on wood and anything else. Knock on microphones. That might have been a bit of a one off because Genevieve unplugged it and plugged it back in. Standing in ankle deep water, of course. Course. And it started working again two years ago. And it has not given up on us yet. But this week is the big test because we are not out of the woods yet. Right. This is going to continue for at least another 24, 48 hours out here.

[Luke Burbank]

Where I am supposedly. Today will be the worst of it, and then tomorrow it's going to be only partly rainy. I learned something a while ago, and then I unlearned it and I'm trying to relearn it, which is I used to think when you would see like 80% chance of rain or you see 80% in the day, that that means that there's an 80% chance that it will rain. But I think it actually means something else. Right. Doesn't it mean that 80% of the day will involve rain or something that you know what I'm talking about?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. And I had trouble getting my head around it at the time and I still am having trouble getting my head around it because it just doesn't seem right. And what we learned was that if it's an 80. 80% chance of rain, it's not. It's definitely going to rain, but it's an 80% chance it's going to happen in your area. Is that what it was? It was some twist on it that we had never realized before. Are you looking it up now as I'm just buying you time?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And. Well, this is. Okay, well, here's what AI says. An 80% chance of rain means there is an 80% probability that measurable rainfall will occur at your specific location during the forecast period. It does not mean it will rain for 80% of the day or that 80% of the area will see rain. It also implies there's a 20% chance of staying dry. Okay, so.

[Andrew Walsh]

It'S different than what we were.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I think maybe what I thought was maybe. I used to think that 80% chance of rain meant 80% of the day will be raining.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I don't think. I don't remember that coming up. Really? Okay. That's never what I thought it meant. I thought the big revelation was I always thought it meant, well, there's a 30% chance, just like. I don't know what's the. I needed to learn this before I go to Vegas. What's the spinning game? The spinning disc in the ball game.

[Luke Burbank]

The spinning disc and the ball game. Oh, roulette.

[Andrew Walsh]

Roulette. Okay, thank you. I need a few more notes for.

[Luke Burbank]

I want you to enter the casino going, sir, take me to your highest limit spinning disc ball game.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like in that proto. I think you should leave sketch. Exactly. Dress like a Kerwin crooner.

[Luke Burbank]

Lady Luck.

[Andrew Walsh]

Anyway, I think I always thought it meant, you know, just like, what is the percent chance it's going to rain in the Cleveland area? Right. Or something like that. And then I thought. I thought what we had learned was, no, if it says, like 80% chance of rain, it means it's definitely going to rain somewhere, and there's an 80% chance it's going to fall in your particular area. But maybe I'm just messing that up. I don't know, man.

[Luke Burbank]

I. I think. I think that my. My understanding of it or my misunderstanding of it for most of my life was that 80% chance of rain meant 80% of the day was going to be raining, and it means 80% chance of measurable rainfall.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Which again, to me is not as useful of information as if you can tell me how much of the day is going to be rainy because 80% chance of rain, meaning there's an 80% chance measurable precipitation will fall. Okay, Is that one hour of the day? Is it going to downpour and then be done? Is it going to be like a tiny misting all day long? Like, what? The information that I really need is like, am I going to be able to get out and like I did yesterday, put up Christmas lights? Which, by the way, absolutely a thankless job. I'm never doing that again.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you did it.

[Luke Burbank]

I did some of it and I got completely drenched and it's fine. But now I'm gonna have to also take them down.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's just the bottom half of a Santa. You're just like, I only did half, you know.

[Luke Burbank]

But what would be useful to me would be. And I'm. There are obviously all kinds of weather models now and I'm sure I can get this information. So please don't me people. I also still can't get into my email from here, so. But I feel like can you just.

[Andrew Walsh]

Reset your password like I forgot. Can't you just reset your password like you. When you told me it's because it's not aligned with your fingerprint, I'm like, okay, well I don't use that technology to log into websites. I just use that technology to log into my computer. So you have something whiz bang going on over there, but you can still just type in your password. I'm guessing you forgot your password. Can't you just go through the process I forgot my password. And then give it a new one like Andrew Rocks 102.

[Luke Burbank]

It really is your birthday.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, you've already used it 101 times. That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know what's so annoying about the whole thing is that I can get into my TBTL account on my other computer. That's what's weird about it. You'd think these things would not be dependent on the machine because this is all lives in the air now. You know what I mean? These machines are merely a way that we connect with all of this information that's being kept in the ether. But for some reason on my little. I have a separate laptop that I carry around inside my house and I'm going to take down to Revolution hall tonight to do livewire that one. I can get into my TBTL email. Fine.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, it's. But passwords don't follow from devices to device. Like the first time I law, you know, if I get logged out of my any of my Gmail accounts on my phone, I would have to log back in.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't understand it, but what I know is I was reset your password. I didn't reset my password, my fingerprint somehow, my other computer. I know that this doesn't make any sense, but I'm just telling you what happened yesterday. I tried to log in here on the computer that I'm using to talk to you and it kept locking me out. Kept telling me I had the wrong password. Password. I went into my house later and I got my other computer and I put my finger. I went to gmail.com, i selected lukebtl.net I put my fingerprint on the fingerprint pad and I was. And I was a mom on the net. I was in my TBTL email account. So I don't understand why it works on one computer and not the other. Something to do with, I don't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just forget about your fingerprint for now. That's what I'm saying. Like the fingerprint sounds like, hey, that sounds like a pretty convenient thing to use once you get it all set up. But essentially all that's doing is unlocking probably your passkey or whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like you just need to.

[Luke Burbank]

To.

[Andrew Walsh]

You can always just type in a password to log into something and if one device has logged you out and it's not working to log in, you can just type in your password. Right. We all know that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, but I don't know what the password is. And then when I try to choose one, I always try to choose the same one and they tell me it can't be your old password. Want us to pick a strong password for you? And I go, yes, but then it's.

[Andrew Walsh]

A. Oh, you let it pick it for you. Oh, yeah, I know that that's the safe thing to do. But then it's like, oh, semicolon, colon. Yeah, there's no exclamation point. Yeah, it's a nice thing.

[Luke Burbank]

So you have to then hope that it like that that information gets spread across all your devices with the new. That there's a new kid in town. Whereas I don't want to give away too much of your workplace secrets. But the alternative is to have a whole series of passwords like you do, I believe, kept on post it notes in various places. Right. So you kind of know what you're dealing with.

[Andrew Walsh]

I might have had a mask.

[Luke Burbank]

Have you upgraded that system?

[Andrew Walsh]

I have. Oh, I do have one master password sort of written down here underneath my computer. But no, I have LastPass, which is a very convenient. We pay for it now so we can use it across devices. And so maybe that's what I need to do. It's really helpful. But I don't do the thing where it offers to autofill it for you because it will be a series of characters that I'll never remember. My device is. I have a bunch of. Yeah, I don't want to say too much about it, but I have sort of a system in my head for creating new passwords that are all still sort of Sort of part of the same family, if that makes sense. And I sort of break it down like, well, financial stuff. I use this. I have one login password that I use for anything that's television related. If we're setting up a new HBO account, Netflix, Hulu, those all have the same password, which I know is not ideal, but I'm also not giving Hulu a bunch of my personal information. So I just sort of have like various things. But the thing that really saves me these days is just having LastPass. And as long as I can get into LastPass on any device, I'm good.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, My problem is years and years ago I had two different kind of go to password things that I had designed that they would fit all the criteria of one symbol and one uppercase. And so that was very easy. But then they started getting this, well, you can't use the same password again. So then I was always using some weird bastardized version of it and I could never remember which one I was on. Like I'd added three exclamation points or. And every device and everything I'm logging into would be like a slightly different version of, you know, this. It was like a game of telephone. Yeah, so what? You know. And then I could never remember. So then I just at some point started letting it pick for me. But that problem is. The problem with that is there is no universe in which I will ever enter that information successfully out of my own brain.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it's secure, but it's secure from everybody. Including you?

[Luke Burbank]

Including me. Primarily. It's secure from me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Which is an issue. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I was just thinking, I wonder what Spotify is going to label this chapter of our podcast. Because we were talking about how Spotify would AI and it just occurred to me, I think Spotify has stopped listening right now. We should just play some music.

[Luke Burbank]

We beat the machine. Usa. Usa.

[Andrew Walsh]

Cable management difference between USB C and USB A. What does percent of I give up. I give up. You don't pay me enough for this.

[Luke Burbank]

Smoke just coming out of the top of the computer.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, baby.

[Luke Burbank]

We may have burned out Spotify, Andrew, but we have not, amazingly, burned out our listeners and specifically our donors. These folks who I'm about to tell you about are donating money to this show. They are making TBTL happen with their donation is the only way that this thing can exist. Thanks to folks like Julie Upton, who's out there in Lake Forest Park, Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, hey. Thank you, Julie.

[Luke Burbank]

Hope you're not too close to any kind of a creek or river out there, Julie. Because I know that it's. It's wet times here in the Pacific Northwest. Christopher Morrow is in Seattle, Washington. Christopher knows exactly what we're talking about.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

Sees it every day.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, while we're just in the part of the show where I do everything possible to make it unlistenable, I'm looking back at our notes from yesterday. Did we only thank five donors yesterday? Usually it's a six donor deal. And it looks like I, maybe, maybe we.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think it's yet to finish the list.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, it wouldn't be on you because the fact that we're starting with Julie today would mean that I may have sent you a shortened list yesterday.

[Luke Burbank]

This is.

[Andrew Walsh]

So is it possible.

[Luke Burbank]

I sent Julie Upton very quickly yesterday at the end and Julie's getting two thanks.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, first of all, we can't thank Julie enough, quite literally that that's. Oh, you know what? We might have done that. Yeah. Or I. Yeah. You know what I still think, because.

[Luke Burbank]

I remember saying Lake Forest park yesterday.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. This is on me, though. I think I just didn't mark Julie as red. So you know what I'm gonna do? This is the first time in TBT I put a little marker down as to what date we thanked people. So we have a record of it. This is the first time in history that somebody has been thanked twice officially on the list. Julie Upton thanked twice. I love this. I love this for her and I love this for us.

[Luke Burbank]

We've also got to thank Christopher Morrow of Seattle, Washington. See, he just got thanked twice too. I'd already thanked him.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now I'm thinking that then.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, now we've got to do it for Mike Piacatelli in Gig Harbor, Washington. We've also got to thank Mike Piacatelli of Gig Harbor, Washington. Oh, God, now there are two of them. Spider Man.

[Andrew Walsh]

There's smoke coming out of me now.

[Luke Burbank]

I know. I love Elise Pugh. Oh, you know what, Elise? We're going to break the cycle here with.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, now I'm saying Elise's name again. So we're going to have to break the cycle with the next person. We're thanking Elise Pugh of Brooksville, Florida. That was one and a half times I said Elise's name twice. But Brooksville, Florida. Well, now I've said that twice.

[Andrew Walsh]

We have to go back to January. We got. Or wait, hold on. Last January. We did January.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks. Also Samantha Hartman of Missoula, Montana.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, Samantha.

[Luke Burbank]

I love Missoula, Montana. That is such a fun town. I want to get back to Missoula, Montana.

[Andrew Walsh]

That sounds like a song. I want to get back to Missoula, Montana.

[Luke Burbank]

That's. I always mention this. That's where Walt did his last two years of high school at Hellgate High in Missoula, Montana.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hellgate. Stay away from the gates of hell. Yeah, Samantha, I care.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, named for a, like a geo. Geological thing. Hellgate. I think it's a canyon in the area, but a hell of a name for a high school. I always, you know, like, you're really playing into the stereotype.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, yes. Hey, kids, have fun at hell.

[Luke Burbank]

And then look who's up next. It's our pal Sarah Sund in Boise, Idaho. Up there on the bench.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. I've podcasted from Sarah's driveway, as have you.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right, Sarah, thank you so much. Thank you to all of our donors. Thanks for making TBTL possible. We could not do this thing without you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, maybe we talk about the Tarantino thing tomorrow if we still want to. It's just kind of a. Kind of a weird story. Tarantino. Dano. But I do also want to just tell you, Andrew, that Philip Rivers is absolutely charming me to a degree. Now. He's this guy who was in the NFL for a long time and was retired for many years. At this point, he's 44 years old. Old. Was coaching high school football, I think, in, like, Alabama, and has now been tapped to come off the bench and try to help the. Whoops. Excuse me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right this second.

[Luke Burbank]

My bad. Sorry about that. Stop, everybody. I hate trying to play audio from TikTok or Instagram. It's the absolute worst. I was trying to cue that up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Instagram is especially bad.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, God, they all just really suck. I mentioned yesterday that Philip Rivers, If I was anybody in. Anywhere else in the nation. Well, particularly if I was in Indianapolis, but if I was anybody just with a passing interest in this game, I am 100% rooting for Philip Rivers. It's a crazy story that this guy at 44 years old is going to go out and try to play in the NFL this week at quarterback, too. I mean, it's a pretty critical position, and I don't like this because I feel like, again, I'm almost rooting for. I was thinking last night about ways in which Philip Rivers can have an amazing game, but the Seahawks can still win. Like, that's the. That, to me, would be the best outcome. Like, I'm not But it's like, again, this is such an intriguing plot line. I mean, this sort of rarely happens to this degree where somebody is just, you know, like, most of the time somebody might come back, but they've been training like, they've been keeping their body crazy fit. They've been working with, you know, a coach. They've just been waiting for their chance to get back in. There is no indication that that has been Philip Rivers's experience over the course of the last. Whatever it's been four years. The first thing he said when he came out to do his press conference was how excited he was to not be on Zoom, because the last time he did a press conference, it was the pandemic, like a childlike enthusiasm of the fact that this was in real life. He hasn't been in a press conference in real life in years.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow.

[Luke Burbank]

Which is. Which is charming. And then, as I mentioned, and I don't want to body shame Philip Rivers, but I mentioned yesterday, Philip Rivers, he looks like a guy who's been coaching high school football for the last four years. He does not look like a person who has been like, you know, running hills or doing that thing they do where they, like, keep tipping a tire over a lot for some reason. And this was remarked on by a reporter. I don't know how easy this is going to be able to hear, but the reporter is asking Philip Rivers, I think, kind of off Mumbai. Mike, what are you weighing right now? Philip and Philip Rivers, Ham, what are.

[Andrew Walsh]

You weighing right now, right this second? I'm not sure, Greg.

[Luke Burbank]

How about that?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's the honest answer.

[Luke Burbank]

So he is. He just. With this big grin on his face. I'm sorry, that audio really didn't pay off.

[Andrew Walsh]

But he just.

[Luke Burbank]

With his big old smile on his face, on his, let's be honest, cherubic, quick face, he just goes. I'm not sure, Greg. Like, he. First of all, he remembers the reporter because Philip Rivers ended his career with the Indianapolis Colts.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I was going to say, I always think of him as a charger.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

But he just.

[Luke Burbank]

San Diego Charger, by the way. Sorry, Respect to our listeners in San.

[Andrew Walsh]

Diego, both, according to what I'm looking at. I think he. He bridged the gap, maybe.

[Luke Burbank]

But I think them being the LA Chargers is a miscarriage.

[Andrew Walsh]

I see. No, no, I. Okay, I'm on board with that. And then. So I guess he just played with the Colts for that one year, that 2020 season, because I heard them on the radio.

[Luke Burbank]

You're probably through if. Guess he probably threw for 7,000 yards and 700 interceptions. That was always the stat line on Philip Rivers probably.

[Andrew Walsh]

And also usually the last year of these guys is not like their best year. But I did hear on the radio that they were just saying, well, I guess the one thing is they just really like him because he knows the system. And by the way, one other little piece of a tidbit, I don't know if you had heard this as well, but apparently there was some conversation about like, well, who approached whom about this deal and it was Philip Rivers apparently who needed more convincing. So in other words, it sounds the team approached him and he was like, I don't know, you guys. But then ended up being won over by the team.

[Luke Burbank]

That would be incredible. The feeling I have watching him is that this fell out of the sky into his lap. Now maybe that's. Maybe he's just trying to. Maybe being the new Indianapolis Colts quarterback is sort of like, you know, George Washington being president. You have to act like you don't want it or something. You know, you have to act like, oh please, I would never. But. So maybe he was doing a little lobbying behind the scenes. But he certainly appears to be a guy who is just like absolutely giddy about getting to do this. He's also. They keep calling him a grandfather in all of the headlines. Grandfather qb. And it had me thinking, I wonder how unusual that is for NFL players to be grandfathers. I guess kind of unusual. I mean he has a famously a huge family. He's got like seven kids or something crazy. So he probably started having kids kind of young and then one of his kids has a kid. So he is a grandfather. But I guess that's also something that's fairly unique.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I would guess so. I mean is there. I think we would have heard by this point in the news cycle if it was the first ever. Right? There's probably some old kicker or somebody.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean if you just Google ya tittle halftime and tell me that guy was. And tell me that guy wasn't a grandfather. There's just famously this picture of the quarterback ya title kiddle who is. Has blood running down the side of his face. He looks conservatively like he's 75 years old.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh my gosh.

[Luke Burbank]

So anyway. But all of this is to say I'm trying to figure out a universe. Well, well, first of all, I'm also getting a little bit worried about his. He said his wife was a bit concerned about his physical safety. I mean that's. You mentioned this yesterday, but like they are. If he ends up playing. He is going up against a very formidable defense in the Seattle Seahawks. And, and I don't want them to tackle him super hard because I don't know if he would survive.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I know.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, it's like again, I, I want there to somehow be a universe where what, you know, what I don't want to have happen. This is so crazy because it's so against my interest as a Seahawks fan. What I don't want to have happen is for him to go out there and just get absolutely smoked the first time he drops back and he gets up and he looks foolish. And we will realize, like, you can't let 44 year old granddads play quarterback in this league. It can't happen. Like, I don't want that outcome. Even though for the Seahawks that would be a good outcome. It would mean that we are getting to the quarterback. But like, I don't want the Colts to beat us, but I also don't want Philip Rivers to be like Aslan being taken to the stone table or.

[Andrew Walsh]

Something, you know, right now as of lunchtime.

[Luke Burbank]

And yes, that means he's Jesus in this allegory for.

[Andrew Walsh]

I kind of forgot about that part for a second there.

[Luke Burbank]

But of course, yeah, as pretty depressing as a kid when they take Aslan to the stone table.

[Andrew Walsh]

Tell you what, comes back stronger, I guess. Anyway, I was going to say. What? Oh, as of my lunchtime yesterday when I was listening to my just, you know, local AM radio, I guess we haven't had confirmation that he's actually starting this weekend. He could be sitting for a week to continue to maybe get into shape or whatever. They did, you know, they brought him officially into the team, but we don't know that he's starting this weekend. But apparently the Seahawks are ready for any eventuality, so it's a possibility.

[Luke Burbank]

It's kind of a bummer too, not to get into the X's and O's, but like there was a period of time when I had this game circled on the calendar because the colts were like 7 and 1 or 7 and oh or something and being touted as maybe one of the best teams in the league. And the Seahawks were kind of ascendant and I thought, oh, wow, this is going to be, you know, this is going to be a big day and it's, you know, of course I hope we win the game, but it's a little anticlimactic when the team comes in, as happened to us in the Minnesota Vikings. Vikings, when they come in with Their, like fifth option at quarterback, then it's like a. You better win.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. You know, that would be the worst case scenario. He comes in and somehow beats us. Yeah, I don't even want to. Sorry.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, yeah, exactly. I hope that doesn't happen. But it's also not, it's. It's not very fun or it's less fun to, to beat a team when they're sort of down or when they've had, you know, their, their main quarterback goes out. I'm, I guess I'm hoping that we win this game and it's not too stressful on the Seahawks so that they can then marshal their energy for Thursday night against the Rams, because that is a biggie.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's huge.

[Luke Burbank]

And the Rams do have Matt Stafford, who's also in, I think, fine health. So anyway, I'm just like, again, I'm, I rarely find myself identifying this strongly with a player who is a linchpin for the other team, potentially beating my team. Again, that's if he ends up playing, playing. And like, again, I, I just wish they were playing someone that wasn't the Seahawks. That's what it is. I wish they were playing anyone else because I would be fully team Philip Rivers.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right. I know. And it is sort of weird. Well, I know it was you who said this. I was going to quote the AM radio again, but it was you who said this. You're like, everybody except for Seahawks fans would be rooting for him.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

And the Colts, of course. How. Of course.

[Luke Burbank]

It's so fun. It's so much more fun if he comes in and just like, just has the game of his life. I mean, also conditioning now. I don't know. Quarterback is a little different than, you know, being a defensive lineman or even a receiver. I guess you're not like running so much. Ideally. Certainly not if you're Philip Rivers. But like, I mean, just what's the conditioning on this? Like, if they put him in, can he play a whole series? I mean, they believe that he can. Like, I, I guess maybe if he just drops back five steps, hits his back foot and throws that ball, you know, he's capable of that. But anything else, you know, would be. I would give, I would give Indianapolis the game. Honestly, I would just say we will, we will. We'll give you the win on this. If the first play from scrimmage is a naked bootleg, just. You just send Philip Rivers he's naked bootleg. It's a, it's a play action fake to the right. It's student body right. And then with the ball going left, Philip 44 year old grandfather Philip Rivers unblocked. Just go like naked boot.

[Andrew Walsh]

One of his legs is a wheel.

[Luke Burbank]

What if it's like just wood? Like a pirate would have.

[Andrew Walsh]

A dog with one of those back wheel.

[Luke Burbank]

A designed run play for Philip Rivers. First play of the game. Shane Steichen, your move.

[Andrew Walsh]

Love it.

[Luke Burbank]

I would love to see that. I would love to turn this game into just an experiment of what happens with a 44 year old man. Man. His, his, his has a. Or even an rpo. Just a run pass option. Although I'll tell you what his option there is. Pass. Get rid of the ball as quickly as possible.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do we have time for a little bit of like qu. I would say a quasi batshit Jim Harbaugh tape. I mean batshit Jim Harbaugh tape that. There's a high watermark for that, right? Absolutely. So. Oh yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Have you looked at the clock lately, my friend? We're in the Badlands, buddy.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, I haven't looked at the clock but I will say that Bingo just came in here and sat down and looked at you because he didn't understand why you weren't his.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank God Bingo is keeping us on schedule.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. He's like, it's time for my birds. Anyway, when Jim Harbaugh who's been a, a head coach for a long time and returned to the NFL, I'm gonna say maybe three seasons ago or something. He's now, he's with the Chargers now and they beat, they beat the Kans Chiefs. Right. This Sunday and it was a huge, huge game. Was that Sunday Night Football too? Is that why I feel like I.

[Luke Burbank]

Watched Monday Night Football?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay, maybe. Yeah, that. So it was like kind of a really just big game as a big win. And the sort of headline after is somebody says like how would you rank this? In the press conference with crazy Jim, they're like, how would you rank this? And the sort of headline is that he's like, he compares it to like the birth. He says it ranks with like the birth of his children and marriage and everything. Which I think is funny. But I also think, think and I'm hoping this is the long tape. I haven't previewed this. I just heard it played on the radio yesterday. It's also just so rambly and crazy and he just starts bringing up things that he never wraps up. And again, this is coming from me. I hear it, I hear it. But I did think, I'm hoping this is the right Tape part of a game like this.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, we've been a lot of teams.

[Andrew Walsh]

And this is definitely. I know, Don't. Well, maybe the best, best feeling.

[Luke Burbank]

Just a wonderful, wonderful feeling of winning and thrill of victory.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's certainly in the discussion. I put in the discussion. The birth of my seven children, my marriage, you know, in the conversation. In the conversation. Just joyful, joyous. And the biblical definition of that is.

[Luke Burbank]

Just overflowing with joy.

[Andrew Walsh]

I wish I got. I must have heard a full minute cut of it because it's actually. To me what was interesting was he then couldn't. Everybody just thinks it's funny and it is funny. You know, him comparing and he's having a good time and I'm glad, actually. I kind of hate this guy, but I was actually kind of. His joy was sort of infectious, honestly. But the next 30 seconds, which I can't find, he just keeps going and just starts like sort of saying words. It is like this beautiful. It's like magnetic poetry.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just like.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's just like. It's just sort of random word salad. And also he says the. The biblical definition of joy is joy, which is sort of interesting.

[Luke Burbank]

I think he says overflowing.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think he's trying to say overflowing with joy, though.

[Luke Burbank]

Isn't there something overflowing with joy? Doe isn't there something that's. I think this is more supposedly financial, but in the Bible there's something about your cup will be pressed down, shaken out and overflowing or something with sort of, I guess you could say material joy with getting things. It has to do. I wonder if that's the part of the Bible that's talking about tithing. It's like if you tithe 10%, then your cup's going to be overflow. Who knows? Like, I know I. That's. I'm the same way with Harbaugh. Like, I think his politics are probably lousy and I think he's probably got some, you know, just got some takes that I don't have. But also he is, I mean, with the whole khakis thing. Yeah. Back when he was coaching San Francisco. He is a character, which I do kind of like there was also period of time where one of his daughters was. Was just making videos of him in the airport putting the Home Depot theme under him at all times.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I didn't know about that.

[Luke Burbank]

Weird that he would do because he's like just. He's a very in motion person. So it was like him walking like 10 steps ahead of the whole family as they're going to the flight to whatever, and him doing stretching exercises at the, like in the waiting area. Him just doing real kind of like dad stuff and her just documenting him and then putting the. I mean, that was a trend. You know, a lot of people, people were putting like their dad, like filming their dads and then putting the Home Depot theme under them.

[Andrew Walsh]

But it's pretty funny.

[Luke Burbank]

But it seems like his kids like him, which I'm, you know, generally a.

[Andrew Walsh]

Fan of, and that he's cool with that. You know what I mean?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, he seems like he's a bit in on that joke, you know, there, where he's kind of talking about, you know, ranking this game of be. I mean, the thing. It must kind of suck to be the Chargers in that. In that position because really the story is, oh, wow, the Chiefs aren't going to the playoffs. Like, the Chiefs losing is a bigger story than the Chargers winning. Yeah, it's like, what has happened to Patch? I explained this to Walt the other night. He's like, what happened to Patrick Mahomes? I was like, well, has to do with the salary cap. If you pay Patrick Mahomes, you can't pay all the other guys enough. And so you then have to get. You surround him with substandard players. And this happens. This is. It's amazing they've been able to pull it off as long as they did because you just can't have like, you can't have one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league and then surround him with other really highly paid good players. You got to somewhere, something's got to give.

[Andrew Walsh]

It is funny though, though, while we're just in the badlands, we do have to get to the blurs days. Don't forget. We do have that. But while we're in the badlands, I will just say, though, it also just seems like something that happened with the Chiefs was the ball figuratively, Always. Figuratively and sometimes literally always bounced their way. And especially if the calls, you know, like. And this has been a conversation in.

[Luke Burbank]

The national media to our listeners in Kansas City.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure, absolutely. Do we have any. I can't think of any listeners in Kansas City who are like sports fans or anything like that. But. But, you know, like, it did just sort of seem like calls were always going their way from the officials and non calls going their way. And then, you know, and just so many luck types of things. And then, yeah, I know I was watching or at least partially watching this game this weekend and like, they do Inked one off of the uprights, you know, and it's just like in the back in the day, their luck was always. The wind was always at their back, and they. And luck was always with them. And it's like everything has. Has turned. I think you're right, though. The more logical thing is just kind of like that is the one thing about parody in the NFL and the salary caps as well. Things are going to eventually. Maybe your balloon is maybe going to eventually come back down to earth a little bit, which is generally a good thing. But it does also just sort of seem like they're. They're not getting the breaks from the universe and the official. The officials that they used to.

[Luke Burbank]

I couldn't believe that Harrison Butler, who does have genuinely terrible takes, he's allowed.

[Andrew Walsh]

To start a political pack as an NFL player. But I'll bet you if his politics were different, there might have been a rule against creating political packs.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, what I know is that he won me so much money during the super bowl because he doinked in the super bowl. And I had a side bet that there would be a doink.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, he.

[Luke Burbank]

And then he doinked again the other night.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Can I ask you a question? Question? Because I play a little handheld video game on my phone, and it's a football game, and it says doink, whether it doinks in or doinks out. And is a doink always a doink, or is a doink only a doink if it doesn't make it through?

[Luke Burbank]

I know that's a lot of Ds.

[Andrew Walsh]

We just got Spotify back. It's like, okay, I want to transcribe this.

[Luke Burbank]

Spotify just came back online and then immediately left the room. It walked in and it went, hey, Grandpa, Simpson does. That's. Andrew, that is a great question. I've only associated it with, you know, you hit the upright and then, of course, physics does its thing, and that means it is a missed kick. But also, I have seen plenty of kicks where it kind of hits the inside of the upright and continues going. And that could technically also be called a doink. I've only. I've only associated a doink with a bad outcome. But the other one you might call a deflection. Is there a difference with a deflection and a doink?

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm looking. Oh, first of all, do you know about the double doink?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, I do know about the double doink.

[Andrew Walsh]

A missed kick by Cody Parquet in a 2018 playoff game. What do you know?

[Luke Burbank]

He was a Chicago Bear. Right.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know. I'm just learning about this now. When you type in doink, the first thing that comes up is double doink. Actually.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it like bounced twice and then bounced on the bottom him and then fell out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, wow. Wow. And it was the. It was the game ending.

[Luke Burbank]

It was the Bears wild card game in 2018.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow, that is. That is rough.

[Luke Burbank]

That just triggered a lot of our listeners, including our friend television. I want to apologize.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is not a week to be triggering Bears fans either.

[Luke Burbank]

Although he took that so well. Yeah, Andrew. Because what happened was he and I were texting a little bit. I was at the Xfinity store watching it with. With my close friends. And by the way, the double doink, I'm watching it again. It doinked off the upright and then the crossbar and then came out. I mean, just absolutely brutal. But as far as the game on Sunday that the Bears lost on the last second play, unfortunately for them, I was texting with Chris and then when that happened, because it was an interception by Caleb Williams, that ended the game. And that's just a tough way for the game to end. And I was like, I not reaching out. I'm not gonna do any, you know. You know how it is. It's like I'm gonna give this person some space. And by the way, if you're curious, if you. If you are a sports fan, if you love sports fans and something very bad has happened for their team, just give them some space. That's all. Just give them some space. You can't go wrong with giving people some space. You can go wrong with a lot of other things. A joke, a. Why is everyone so sad? There's a lot of things that can go wrong. One thing that'll never go wrong. Give them some space.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

So that's what I was doing with our buddy Chris, and then he reached to me and said, you know, this was like three seconds after the interception. He said, you know what? I. We played them really well. That was a really good game by us, which is true. And. And I'm okay with that. And I thought that was a great, you know, that was a really great opinion on his part. And it was true. It's like you played the Green Bay Packers, a really good team to essentially a tie almost on the road. Like that's great for the Chicago Bears. And it's a bummer how it ended, but he was keeping a of piece positive outlook.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that.

[Luke Burbank]

There's A right way to rock, a wrong way to roll.

[Andrew Walsh]

You can't just listen to your song. Just remember that life is number one. You can be having so much fun. Just remember that life is much fun.

[Luke Burbank]

You can be.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I was ready for a dog bark. I was ready for a dog bark. And you gave me a cha ching sound.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Cash register.

[Andrew Walsh]

It is time for some blurs days. If you would like to wish somebody, including yourself, a happy birthday, email me. My address is AndrewBT. Put blurs they in the subject line and write a short little message.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. To the one you love us on short little message.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. We had to stop down for a little bit as I edited some of these things, but we got this one from Elle who says, happy golden blurs day. Oh, my gosh. By the way, look for. I think we have a historic blurs day segment today. By the way, keep an eye out for a record recurring pattern. Elle says happy golden blurs day to my partner, Danielle, Phoenix area attorney and OG10 with TBTL T shirts and ball caps for every day of the week. She's turning 51 and is the best person I know. She makes me better because I never want to disappoint her. And her laugh can make your day. I love that, by the way. She makes me better because I never want to disappoint her. I understand that sentiment. I think people in our lives make us better sometimes, even if we don't want to be.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Something to aspire to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, absolutely. Happy birthday, Danny. Judah says, hi. I'm writing an email about my mom's birthday on the 11th. Her name is Emma and she listens from Ardmore, Pennsylvania.

[Luke Burbank]

Ardmore, Pennsylvania. Wow.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's gonna be a tough one for me to get through here. Luke. I just. When you write it, I say it. Really don't have a lot of autonomy here. I'm gonna say something I don't wanna say here, but Judah's making me say it. Okay. Judah says this message is from her son who wants to say that she should have a happy birthday and that she's a fart smella and a smart fella.

[Luke Burbank]

Whoa.

[Andrew Walsh]

I didn't want to say that. I didn't want to say that. But I hope you have a good blurs day. Emma. John from Chicago says, I'd like to wish a golden. I know it was a pretty. I mean, the crowd was into it. There's no denying that the crowd was into that one.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

So this is from John in Chicago who says, I'd like to wish A golden blurs date to myself. I'm turning the big four zero and I'd like to thank the co bros for being my big bros. As we all get a little bit older, I look Forward to another 5,383 episodes to keep me company till we reach episode 10,000. Oh my God.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's get to 5,000.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, let's talk and then we'll talk.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's reassess at 5,000.

[Andrew Walsh]

Has Spotify how it feels about this. Happy golden blurs day. To Brenda from Amy.

[Luke Burbank]

Wish I could could sense a theme.

[Andrew Walsh]

Andrew, I'm telling you, there's a theme in here somewhere.

[Luke Burbank]

I just. I'm bad with this stuff, you know that.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know, I know. Just keep it. Just keep your ear.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm gonna keep tuned to the listening station to my favorite coworker. Without us, I'm pretty sure this place would fall apart. Your humor keeps me sane and your thoughtfulness makes all the difference. Thanks for making work not just manageable, but actually fun. That's to Brenda from Amy.

[Luke Burbank]

Huh?

[Andrew Walsh]

Or as I put in my notes here to Brendae, but I think that's Brenda. Correct it. For the record, we now thanked Brenda twice. All right, let's see here. Jay says, today is my husband Stefan's golden blurs day. This year has been a huge test for us with my industry under intense budget cuts. Through it all, Stefan stuck by my side, helping me prep for job interviews, reminding me of my worth and keeping me sane. Everyone deserves a Stefan in their life. Happy birthday to my lil dumper.

[Luke Burbank]

Aw, Lil dumper.

[Andrew Walsh]

Lil dumper.

[Luke Burbank]

Cute. Did you see the Seattle Mariners were the most Internet searched baseball team of 2025? Did you see that?

[Andrew Walsh]

I saw the headline. I did not read it, but it made sense to.

[Luke Burbank]

Sounds like a difficult data point to know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, well, first of all, I think there's always a little bit of in that, but it would make sort of sense because it's a team that's doing well, but it's also a team that most people don't know that much about. And then you have this. This guy who's competing for MVP and they don't know who he is and his nickname is related to his posterior. So like I can understand why that would be more googled than even just say a heavyweight team like the Dodgers.

[Luke Burbank]

Right, right. We already know everything about Aaron Judge.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, exactly. Know too much about him. And finally Chris says, I'd like to wish a very happy blurs day to the kindest and most lovely woman I Know my girl and dedicated 10. Erin 20, 25 has been a tough one as Erin, that's my wife, recovering from a brutal skiing injury that left her ankle broken and four blood places. But Aaron is already back in the gym, riding bikes, walking, and just bowled her personal best, a 225. My goodness.

[Luke Burbank]

Holy smokes.

[Andrew Walsh]

He smokes indeed. You know what? You. You're a bowler. I haven't bowed in a long time.

[Luke Burbank]

Hard rain hasn't been out there.

[Andrew Walsh]

No.

[Luke Burbank]

In a long time.

[Andrew Walsh]

Not. No. It's been over a year now. But I can remember there was a time where I was like, I guess I'll never bowl again because of that arthritis. But now I can bowl and I should bowl any. Anyway, Chris says she's as tough as she is sweet. And I'm amazed by her positive attitude and caring nature towards humanity. So happy blurs day, Emma. Sorry about that Tough, tough injury, but glad to hear you're doing well.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, exactly. Happy blurs day.

[Andrew Walsh]

Happy blurs day. So that's gonna wrap it up, but we did have a lot of golden blurs today. They weren't all golden blurs, but let's see here. 1, 2, 3.

[Luke Burbank]

So, and just to remind me, I think I got this. Golden blurs is it's actually your birthday on the Thursday we're doing it. That's what makes it a golden blurs day.

[Andrew Walsh]

If it's when Rod Blagojevich wishes you happy blurs day.

[Luke Burbank]

This thing is freaking gold.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know why I can't remember anybody's name.

[Luke Burbank]

You're gonna give this away?

[Andrew Walsh]

I cannot remember the name of the woman from Eyes Wide Shut and from our Rod Blagojevich list.

[Luke Burbank]

That's that Midwest. It's that Midwest Polish kind of a.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right, right there for me at any moment. So anyway, a golden blurs day, to answer your question, Luke, is when you are. When your. Your birthday actually falls on a Thursday when we're reading it. That's what it means in our context. A golden birthday is something different. That's when you're like, you turn 23 on the 23rd, or you turn your.

[Luke Burbank]

24Th about being born May 8th. That happened before I even knew it was a thing. And I'll never get it back, Andrew. No matter how much cord blood I drink.

[Andrew Walsh]

Pardon me use made me sick.

[Luke Burbank]

I need more cord blood.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I don't know if I. 27, you know, mine was on the 27th, so. But I don't know that I knew what a golden blurs day was. I Don't think I knew what a golden blurs day was until I moved to Seattle because I did this weird goofy doc kind of radio documentary about my friend's golden blurs day. And I don't think I'd heard the term before that. And I know I moved to Seattle when I was in my 30s, so maybe it's a.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe it's something that we're more focused on out here in the West. I don't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Had you heard it? You grew up with it.

[Luke Burbank]

You.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's something.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think I grew up with it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

But I didn't grow up in a big birthday culture. It's weird. Not. Yeah, that's not. I mean, you know, it was very like. You know, it was a very happy birthday and everything, but it wasn't like. I don't know, we just didn't go crazy on our birthdays. I wasn't. We didn't have big parties where we had a bunch of kids over and there was party favors and stuff. It was usually pretty. There would be a cake that was made. There'd be a present that was given and called. Called a good.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, I was trying to make. I was trying to formulate some sort of joke about, well, what if you. What if your birthday is on the 90th and you don't make it? It was just whatever is the idea of a joke that fell apart. But it did make me think about our friend Broadcast Barry, who did miss a birthday because of international travel one year.

[Luke Burbank]

That's wild.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you remember this? Did we talk about this on the show? He was flying, maybe back from Australia. I can't remember how the time zones would work there, but something happened where he basically, like, he got on a plane before his birthday and he landed after.

[Luke Burbank]

I feel like you would like that.

[Andrew Walsh]

That'd be fine with me. I mean.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, if you could just go to sleep like that. Drop we play from Veep. Yeah, I just want to go to sleep the day before my birthday and then wake up. No, no, not wake up.

[Andrew Walsh]

My birthday was very much. Genevieve got me a little gift. Actually, you know what Genevieve got me for my birthday this year? She got me the first and so far only Josh Naylor baseball card in a Mariner's uniform. It's one of those, like.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, that's cool.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it's like a tops now. I think there's some sort of. Of Topps cards that are almost immediate, like after. After games. I don't like a rush. It's like a rush printing and it's always a limited release or something.

[Luke Burbank]

I want Josh. I want a baseball card of Josh Naylor not wearing the celebratory T shirt.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, I know.

[Luke Burbank]

After winning. After winning, you know, the whatever. Al West.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I do have a shirt that like my. The shirt that I wear is my tonight shirt right now. Is Josh Naylor esque in that. It like kind of hangs down almost to my knee. Knees. It's like a big button down shirt that hangs real low. I like it.

[Luke Burbank]

We got to get you that candlestick.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know.

[Luke Burbank]

You could wander around your house.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Like that shirt intended. Anyway. All right, everybody that is gonna do it for today's episode, but we've got another one coming your way tomorrow, Big Friday edition of the program, so please join us for that. In the meantime, everybody, have a great Thursday. Hope you're not getting flooded out wherever you are. And please remember, no mountains too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all.

[Luke Burbank]

What's your question? How much milk do I have to drink to be big enough to be quarterback? Drink as much milk as your little.

[Andrew Walsh]

Belly can hold at all times.

[Luke Burbank]

Drink as much as your little belly can hold.

[Andrew Walsh]

Power out.