#4630 One Tick Pony

Summary

TBTL #4630: “One Tick Pony” — Detailed Episode Summary

Date: December 30, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh
Theme: Word-Nerdery, Nostalgia, and the Annual Listener-Curated TBTL Words of the Year

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Episode Overview

This episode blends TBTL’s signature playful banter and deep-dive word nerd energy as Luke and Andrew riff through a listener’s annual list of notable, unusual, or otherwise “handsome” words mentioned on the show throughout the past year. Sprinkled with nostalgic TV references (Get Smart, Inspector Gadget), light self-mockery, and the meta humor of analyzing their own language usage, the episode is a victory lap through TBTL’s quirky, lovable territory.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. Cold Open: Podcast Crossover Skit (00:00–01:25)

• The show opens with a spoof from “Guys Outfits,” a fictitious fashion podcast, before TBTL abruptly takes over.
• Memorable mock banter about beige shorts, gym shorts with “fun pockets,” and CVS receipts.
• Transition: Andrew and Luke jokingly compare pod intros.

Notable quote:
"Yeah, Brad, what are you keeping in all those fun pockets? I just got a really long CVS receipt. I'm obsessed with it." — Brad Henderson (01:14)

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2. Banter & Show Setup (02:12–03:16)

• Luke and Andrew settle in, marking the tail end of 2025 and episode #4630.
• Luke introduces the “TBTL Words of the Year,” crowdsourced from listener Kristen.
• Cueing up friendly self-deprecation (“He’s a real word generator,” Luke says of Andrew), they promise a mix of vocab fun and classic TBTL digressions.

Notable quote:
“As we sort of enter the home stretch here, the final days… we are going to go through the TBTL words of the year.” — Luke Burbank (02:43)

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3. Classic TV Nostalgia: Get Smart & Maxwell Smart Memories (06:09–11:36)

• A trip down TV memory lane! Luke and Andrew reminisce about childhood favorites, dissecting “Get Smart” and Don Adams’ ubiquity as Inspector Gadget.
• Play a clip of the iconic “Cone of Silence,” followed by the theme song and trivia about composer Irving Zathmarie.
• Touch on cartoons, Gilligan’s Island, and the roots of their TV tastes.

Notable Moments:

• Andrew: “He plays a bumbling investigator in both of them.” (08:25)
• Luke: “I was getting so much Don Adams in my life…” (08:03)

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4. Listener Kristen’s “Words of the Year” Game (11:54–33:50)

A core segment where the hosts read and define unusual words that came up on TBTL in 2025, as tracked by listener Kristen. They quiz, correct, and amuse one another, using the discussion as a springboard for stories and personal quirks.

Sample words discussed:

• Kakistocracy: Government by the worst (“Do you remember using it?” — Andrew, 15:04).
  • Luke: "It's a government that is run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous people." (15:16)
• Alacrity: Brisk, cheerful readiness.
  • Luke: "She accepted the invitation with alacrity." (18:53)
• Triptych & Diptych: Art with three/two panels.
  • Andrew nerds out: "I used to make triptychs a lot in photography." (19:02)
• Ossify vs. Calcify: Comparing terms for hardening/getting rigid over time.
  • Laughs as both define the terms in sync: “We hit that at the exact same time.” — Andrew (25:32)
• Cosseted: Overly pampered or protected.
  • Luke: "Usually…not in a good way…he's being cosseted." (26:31)
• Solicitous: Showing concern/interest vs. sounding negative.
  • Both admit to always thinking it sounded negative, learn it’s actually about care/concern.
• Obsequious: Excessively servile or attentive (28:39)
• Disincentivize: To discourage, usually with an economic slant (30:07)
• Pernicious: Harmful, subtly or gradually (31:49)
• Reticent: Hesitant or reluctant OR, properly, “not revealing one’s thoughts or feelings readily.”
  • Both realize they misused it, conflating reticent with hesitant. (32:51)
• Facetious: Humorously flippant about serious topics, not just joking (33:48)

Notable Quotes:

• “There’s going to be a quiz. We should quiz the listeners at the end of this!” — Andrew (28:50)
• “Honestly, I would literally listen to a podcast… just taking a big unwieldy word… and then just playing how it’s pronounced and what it means.” — Luke (29:16)

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5. Digression on Campus Quads and Quad-lingo (33:50–38:19)

• The pair riff on the etymology and usage of “quadrangle” vs. “quad” when describing university courtyards and spaces, with personal anecdotes from both about their campus experiences.
• Andrew recalls the “Krensman Quadrangle” at Northeastern University; Luke links to UW’s famous cherry-blossom quad.

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6. Donor Thanks and Bittersweet APM History (38:19–49:11)

• Segment to thank several TBTL daily donors, with characteristically affectionate asides.
• Notable tribute to their former boss, Steve Nelson, and dialogue about TBTL’s path through APM (American Public Media) and back to independence.
• Lush with inside-baseball on show funding, changes over time, and the importance of listener support.

Notable Quotes:

• “I don’t think we’d have a show [without Steve Nelson and APM].” — Luke (43:16)
• “I used to call myself Producer Andrew, but that’s because my background was in producing. I didn’t actually produce TBTL…” — Andrew (45:30)
• “The fundraising strategy was applied to the show…when we went out on our own again, we had…John Sklaroff.” — Luke (45:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Mics, Mutes, & Microphone Bleed:

• “It’s a cone of mostly silence…” — Luke (05:09)
• “Imagine like Animal from the Muppets without the drums set, but with the same general physical movement.” — Luke (03:52)

On Linguistic Pet Peeves:

• “My mom loves to use ‘facetious’ when she means sarcastic…anytime you want to use ‘facetious,’ just say ‘sarcastic’…” — Luke (33:27)

On the Show's Enduring Quirkiness:

• “That’s a crutch for me as well…easy but sounds smart, that’s my real wheelhouse.” — Luke on ‘disincentivize’ (30:37)
• “Never hear anything with Isus in the name that’s good…” — Luke on ‘pernicious’ (32:14)

On TBTL’s Longevity:

• “Here we are, and I would say stronger than ever. We have a pretty good system going…” — Luke (49:20)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–01:25: Satirical cold open from “Guys Outfits”
• 02:12: True TBTL opening begins, show setup
• 06:09–11:36: Extensive “Get Smart”/Don Adams nostalgia and audio
• 11:54–33:50: Main segment — listener’s “Words of the Year” list, word definitions/game
• 33:50–38:19: Discussion of “quadrangle,” campus quads, and their cultural context
• 38:19–47:49: Donor thank-yous, including Steve Nelson/the APM transition history
• 47:49–49:20: Reflection on the growth, support, and future of TBTL

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Episode Tone and Style

The episode captures TBTL’s hallmark: goofy, affectionate, self-aware, meandering, and gently intellectual. They regularly poke fun at themselves (and each other), while earnestly exploring language, memory, and the craft of podcasting—making it inviting for diehard fans and newcomers alike.

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Summary Takeaway:
This episode is a quintessential TBTL installment—equal parts nostalgia, linguaphile’s playground, and cozy friendship. For listeners, it’s a playful brain workout, a comfort listen, and a celebration of the peculiar, enduring world Luke and Andrew have built, one “collector’s episode” at a time.

Transcript

[Brad Henderson]

Hi, and welcome back to Guys Outfits, the fashion podcast about guys who wear outfits almost every single day. Hey, how's it going, guys? Hey, guys. Today we got two best friends, and your guys names are actually both Brad. I'm Brad Henderson. And I'm Brad Hamm with two M's. Yeah, you guys are both named Brad, and you guys have such similar styles too. Yeah. So what are you Brad's wearing on top of a beige top, which is actually my favorite color. Okay, we love that. I went with an olive green top. Beige is actually my favorite color, but Brad is wearing beige today, so I decided to go with my second favorite color, which is olive green. Olive green or the beige of greens, as they say. Oh, I'm actually obsessed with that. What do we have going on on the bottom, Brad? I've got beige shorts, actually, to go with my olive. Gosh, I really love that beige olive combo. Yeah, me too. And you, Brad? I actually took a little page out of your book today and went with a little pop of color. Oh, well, yes, Brad, we are really letting our freak flags fly today, aren't we? Yeah. So I went with royal blue gym shorts to go with my beige top. And why don't you tell us about your look today? Oh, well, as I mentioned before, I'm really letting my freak flag fly today. And I'm wearing a neon yellow top. I'm obsessed with it. Thank you. And on bottom, I'm wearing beige shorts. Yeah, I'm obsessed with the neon yellow green beige combo you got going on. Yeah, I went with a beige short similar to you, Brad, but it looks like your beige short has some. Some fun pockets, and mine is more classic style. Yeah, Brad, what are you keeping in all those fun pockets? I just got a really long CVS receipt. I'm obsessed with it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Tbtm. I'm gonna suggest that we have a.

[Luke Burbank]

Little constructive talking time. Not long at all. I mean, maybe 10 minutes or. Okay. Or maybe 15 is also good.

[Andrew Walsh]

In 1971, Bill Graetz invented Michael Soft. Wouldn't it be cool if I could.

[Luke Burbank]

Remember my dingus password for my email?

[Andrew Walsh]

What comes before anything?

[Luke Burbank]

What if we always said is the most important thing?

[Andrew Walsh]

Breakfast. Family. Family, Right. I thought you meant of the things you eat. Why don't I tell you all about it over a hot, steaming mug of beer and a cup of cold corn?

[Brad Henderson]

Be careful, though, it's spicy.

[Luke Burbank]

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Tuesday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, fabulous.

[Luke Burbank]

My name's Luke Burbank. I am your host. Believe it or not, I'm a complete catch. I'm back, baby. Coming to you, per usual, from the Madrona Hill studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where by my count, we are at episode 4630 in a collector series.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let the fun begin.

[Luke Burbank]

And as we sort of enter the home stretch here, the final days, the waning days of 2025, we are going to go through the TBTL words of the year. Sooner or later, gentlemen, you will eat your word. Some words that were strongly associated with our program during 2025, we're gonna talk about those. And we're gonna talk to this guy. He's a real word generator here on the program. Of course, he is the longest running cobro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ship.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know who that is, and.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't care to find out. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. Did I hear an extraneous bell ding, I wonder.

[Luke Burbank]

I usually keep you. I bumped my bell.

[Andrew Walsh]

I usually keep you totally muted. And today, for some reason, I was like, I don't think we need to do that. Of all days. Unless maybe you're always making noise like that. And that's why I gotta keep you muted. Is that happening all the time? Like during the intro? Are you just, like flailing about and hitting pots?

[Luke Burbank]

How I get in the zone?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. No, it's good.

[Luke Burbank]

Imagine like Animal from the Muppets, but without the drum set, but with the same general physical movement.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm like. I'm like Animal from the Muppets without the talent that's right over here.

[Luke Burbank]

I. You know what it is, is there's a. We've usually. We've got. We've got systems, and then we've got backup systems and redundancies around here at tbtl. And so I have my own mute button on my microphone, which, as you've pointed out to me, is about 90% effective.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah. If you're really loud, like so, for.

[Luke Burbank]

Instance, I mean, let's do. Let's do an experiment. Okay, so I'm going to mute my microphone here, which should be muting everything. Actually, that's not true. Not muting everything. But this should mute any talking that I would be doing and, like, the sound of this bell. Right. But if I do. If I mute it, you've pointed out you can still barely hear me. There's still a little bit of my Voice bleeding through. So here we go. This is me in full volume. Could you hear any of that?

[Andrew Walsh]

I could hear it, but I want you to know that I cheated a tiny bit, which is, I think.

[Luke Burbank]

Why?

[Andrew Walsh]

Just because I could hear you. You said loudly. Gets very loudly. I did turn up the volume a little bit up at the end, too. I cheated. You thought I was reading your lips or something like that.

[Luke Burbank]

I thought you were turning me down more, but no. So you could hear.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, you could hear that. And I wanted the listeners to hear it. And I know that you and I are here listening to the show in our closed head phones and in our quiet studio. So I'm guessing that probably most people, if they're on the bus or in a car or any place out in public with earbuds in, you might not have heard it. But I turned it up a little bit so that folks could sort of hear what we're talking about. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

That's when you told me one day, and this is, again, I appreciate this about you. You warned me one day you were like, hey, I know you have a mute on your microphone.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, for privacy. Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But you said. I think what happened was I had, like. I was talking to my dad or something in here, and I had what I thought was the microphone muted, but you were like. Just so you know, when that mic is muted, you can still kind of hear you a little bit. So just know that if you're ever having a very sensitive conversation and you think that you're operating in a cone of silence, it's a cone of mostly.

[Andrew Walsh]

Silence, which is actually how the cone of silence worked. I don't know if you recall, you know the origin of the term cone of silence, do you not?

[Luke Burbank]

I'm guessing that was from Get Smart.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was from Get Smart, exactly. And the joke about the cone of silence was it never worked. Right. I love.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, really?

[Andrew Walsh]

I loved that show as a kid. I could not imagine anything funnier than Maxwell Smart and his fumbling tomfoolery.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, to this day, the shoe phone.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, it's so good. And he would always be like, 99, sir. He would talk to his chief. Did he call him chief? I can't remember. It's been a long, long time. And they would go into this conference room, and this is how I remember it. I'm probably getting some of these details wrong. And then what they would call the cone of silence would come dropping down over them, but it would make them sound loud or they couldn't hear each other. But we could all hear what they were saying or something. The cone of Silence was always a disaster in my memory.

[Luke Burbank]

I was so happy when Get Smart would come on because that was in the era where we certainly did not have cable tv. And I might have even been at Peter Williams's house for much of it. But, like, there was that channel. There was always the channel that was just playing old, like, 1950s type sitcoms and older shows. And there was a real range. Like, I never really liked Male's Navy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that one. I didn't.

[Luke Burbank]

That was like. Like that one came on. I was like, I don't know. But like, I really. And even Gilligan's island believe it. I think it was a little too silly for me. Yeah, it didn't.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wasn't a big Gilligan and definitely not the POW One. I really dislike that one.

[Luke Burbank]

Hogan's Heroes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hogan's Heroes did not like Hogan's Heroes at all.

[Luke Burbank]

And. And Sorry, man.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think Phyllis is a fan.

[Luke Burbank]

Get Smart. I loved Get Smart. I was so happy when it came on because it was just so. And what I didn't even. What I don't think I realized at the time was I was getting. Is it Don Adams?

[Andrew Walsh]

It is Don Adams. Good pull.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I was getting Felden, I believe, my first.

[Luke Burbank]

I was getting so much Don Adams in my life because by. By. By morning, I might. On a. On a, you know, on a, like, summer weekday, by morning I might be watching Get Smart, and by afternoon I might be watching Inspector Gadget.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Or vice versa. Morning cartoons, usually.

[Luke Burbank]

Same guy, like. And I didn put that together. But I was getting a ton of Don Adams in my life for a while, and I enjoyed it.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I don't think it's a coincidence either. He plays a bumbling investigator in both of them. In fact, I've got a scene queued up here. I mean, the chance of this actually working as audio content is next to nil. But we do see Maxwell Smart talking to his boss, the chief. He seems to be in his chief's office. There's a lot of guns in various weaponry on the wall behind the boss. There's a third guy there, too. They're all wearing, like, those gunmetal gray suits that, you know, federal agents would be wearing at the time. And I think they're about to go into the cone of silence. I pray this makes any sense.

[Luke Burbank]

We can talk under the cone of silence. The cone of silence. Well, this is a magenta alert, isn't it? The cone of silence.

[Andrew Walsh]

He flips a switch. It comes dropping down from the ceiling. It's a big plastic thing.

[Luke Burbank]

I am deeply concerned about the conference room. What? I'm concerned about the conference room. How's that?

[Andrew Walsh]

He's concerned about the conference room. That's a guy who's not in the tone of silence.

[Luke Burbank]

I want it thoroughly inspected for hidden devices, Microphones. Bobs. What?

[Brad Henderson]

Check for microphones and bombs.

[Andrew Walsh]

So the joke is here. The guy who shouldn't be able to hear them is repeating what the chief is saying, and they can't hear each other in the cone of silence. And I believe it was a recurring bit. I think this came back a lot, and it was always a disaster.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, I wonder if that show holds up. Like, I wonder if it'd be kind of a fun watch. Just kind of a fun, brainless watch. Even in here in 2025.

[Andrew Walsh]

I wonder. That iconic opening. He's, like, walking through all the doors, and then one of them. I think one of them gets stuck. Right? It's kind of like. It's a double. Oh, seven. You know, we're just.

[Luke Burbank]

It did it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Let's hear Get Smart Theme song. We were right. We were. You don't know this because you're. We're not quite synced up to you, but on my end, we were harmonizing.

[Luke Burbank]

Love it perfectly there.

[Andrew Walsh]

That actually gave me chills. We sounded so good together. Let's see here. Get Smart season one. So let's see. Oh, this might roll through a bunch of different themes. You know, how they would change the music from year to year sometimes on these shows.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, okay. I was wrong. A little bit.

[Andrew Walsh]

Almost like a. From the era of Peter Gunn. It's not Peter Gunn.

[Luke Burbank]

I was gonna say it's Peter Gunn esque. I was looking up who wrote it, thinking maybe it would have been, you know, somebody. I don't know, Mancini or whoever wrote Peter Gunn. But it was written by Irving Zammerthri or Zathmerie. Irving Zathmarie.

[Andrew Walsh]

Ooh, that's tough for a kid who had a. Who had a lisp like me. I'm gonna stay away.

[Luke Burbank]

Let me see what else he might have written. One of six children of Hungarian ancestry. Let's see. We don't have to get logged. We don't have to get bogged down in the career of Irving Zafmarie.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, today's list is top five songs.

[Luke Burbank]

From Irving Zaft Marie.

[Andrew Walsh]

Actually, what is today's Underappreciated. Underappreciated Zaf Marie. Joints. Okay, so this is actually a different kind of list that we're doing today. And I gotta admit, I don't know if this is rude to say. I had sort of forgotten about this, but I got an email from listener Kristen, our friend Kristen there in Thunder Bay, Ontario.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

And she wrote into us around this time last year without much explanation, just sort of saying, here's a list of words I wrote down. Like words that you guys said that caught my ear. I don't know if Kristen specifically said that there were words that she was unfamiliar with. I don't want to assume that, but they might have been unfamiliar to her or at least like they caught her ear as kind of maybe the perfect.

[Luke Burbank]

Word in the moment. Maybe I used the perfect word.

[Andrew Walsh]

She said that these were the handsomest words that Luke used. I will guess based on our varying degrees of handle on language, that most of these words are probably going to come from you originally. But last year we went through her list as just sort of a look back at words we have used and trying to figure out, I think in some cases the context with which we might have used them or if you even. Like, there are words on this list. So Kristen wrote again this year with another list of words that she wrote down. She said she's time Badening. So this list only goes up to episode 4583. 3. What are we on now?

[Luke Burbank]

We're at 6:30 today.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. So, you know, we're missing a couple.

[Luke Burbank]

Couple of hundred episodes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, well, it's still a. It's still a long enough list that I don't think we're going to get through the whole thing. So I was going to share some of these words with you. I was going to bounce around a little bit. I think maybe choose one here that catches my eye. And so should we launch right into this now or should we do it? Some donors?

[Luke Burbank]

All right, well, let's knock a couple out, maybe make some donors.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I'm in this situation again where I don't have any specific music chosen. I'm just. Do we like this? There's a little bit of auto Speckle.

[Luke Burbank]

Is this Irving Zap Murray?

[Andrew Walsh]

We're getting a little bit discordant there. Okay, that might. What about Blueprint for the Future? Oh, sure. You know, some people would choose their production elements before opening up their microphone. This is not working out here. Oh, this is vocab music if I've ever heard vocab music before in my life. Sophisticated. Go ahead.

[Luke Burbank]

Like our vocabulary.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I get you anything to drink, sir?

[Luke Burbank]

We do things a little differently around here. Have you dined with us before?

[Andrew Walsh]

The first word on Kristen's list scares me. Oh, I don't. I don't think there's any way I've used this word before in my life, and I don't remember you using it. And I'm scared of even saying it because I'm probably gonna mispronounce it and in doing so, say something inappropriate. Cause it just looks like one of those words that's on the edge. If I mispronounce it. Kakastroccessy. I know I'm saying that wrong.

[Luke Burbank]

It's.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, that's not right.

[Luke Burbank]

I think you. I think you had it right the first time.

[Andrew Walsh]

Maybe. I think I might need to have the Internet pronounce it for me. And we'll have to interrupt this music for a moment, which is really gonna bum all the diners out.

[Luke Burbank]

I can. Let me look it up here. I can play here.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. What do you got there? Let's. Let's get back to the. Go ahead. Go ahead, Sam, you can continue playing.

[Luke Burbank]

Pressy caca. Stocky caca.

[Andrew Walsh]

Stokery. That makes sense. Kakistocracy. I just couldn't get my. My, My mouth around that word. So what does it mean? And do you remember using it? Because how did this come up if neither one of us know this word?

[Luke Burbank]

I do remember. I don't remember the exact context, but I remember it came up. But not because either of us knew the word, but because we either read the word or saw the word and then looked it up. And it is. It's a government that is run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous people.

[Andrew Walsh]

But why would that have come up in 2025?

[Luke Burbank]

I.

[Andrew Walsh]

That castocracy. That's. That's what doesn't make sense to me.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, Everything is perfect, and only the best people are running things.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure, sure, sure. Let's move on. Actually, cocky.

[Luke Burbank]

K, A K, I also. Is that, like, related to, like, kaka? Like poop?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I don't. Where are you getting that? Kakastocracy. Maybe I will. Yeah. What are the origins of the word? I'm trying to find out. Let's see here. Where does it come from? I'm not finding any good answers. I was using 17th century.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, if I just write K I, K, I get a Japanese persimmon, so I don't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, let's see here. Oh, okay. No, no, From Krat. Let's see. Here worst. The Greek was cacastos, which means worst, and kratos, which means government. And so it's like government, worst people combination there. Now this next word I should know. Well, this is a word that you say a lot and I'm thinking that. I think I know how to say it.

[Luke Burbank]

As long as I'm not anti disestablishmentarianism.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is. That is.

[Luke Burbank]

You remember that from being a kid? No, that was supposed to be the longest word or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I don't remember that.

[Luke Burbank]

I remember that like. Yeah, the rumor was like. Oh, do you know like the longest word in the English language? It's anti disestablishmentarianism.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, of course it's now been beat by the name of that lake.

[Luke Burbank]

Lake Chargonga Bonga boonga, bang bang bang.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wait, hold on one second here. The cigarette girl is here.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'll take like a couple of Camel unfilters. Anti disestablishmentarianism. It is a. That's an impressive word.

[Luke Burbank]

Opposition to the disestablishment of the Church of England.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, specifically, anti disestablishmentarianism is people ask.

[Luke Burbank]

Is anti disestablishmentarianism still the longest word.

[Andrew Walsh]

As they used to.

[Luke Burbank]

It's famous as one of the longest English words meaning opposition to the ending the Church of England status. But it's not the absolute longest. Do you want to know the longest word, Andrew?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, please. Pneumino. Ultramicroscopic, silico, volcano, coniosis. You didn't let me guess. That's what I was going to guess. Lou.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, geez.

[Luke Burbank]

It's an invented long word.

[Andrew Walsh]

Here's the thing.

[Luke Burbank]

It's an invented longword said to mean a lung disease caused by inhaling very fine ash and sand dust. But I don't like. I don't like.

[Andrew Walsh]

Pneumono. Ultramicroscopic, silico, volcano, coniosis.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't like this. An invented long word. I feel like it's. Somebody was trying to just get the record there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I mean I guess all words are invented in some way or another. But like.

[Luke Burbank]

But this was. Feels like astroturf to get to the anti establishmentarianism was just their way of trying to describe a certain worldview.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

It just got too long. The other one feels like they were like, okay, but we can go even longer.

[Andrew Walsh]

We can beat that. And that's not. Yeah, I don't like the spirit of that to be.

[Luke Burbank]

Not at all.

[Andrew Walsh]

This next word. Okay, I was starting to set this up and I think if I get the C right, I can pronounce it correctly, and it is a word you use a lot. But now that I'm facing it down here in the harsh daylight, I don't know that I can give you a definition for it. Alacrity.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, alacrity.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is a word you use, right?

[Luke Burbank]

I always think of alacrity is to move with speed. To move with alacrity.

[Andrew Walsh]

Are you double speed? Alacrity.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, we got brisk and cheerful readiness.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, that's. You must have used that, though.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, like, she accepted the invitation with alacrity.

[Andrew Walsh]

Alacrity. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

This next one. I know this one. And I wouldn't be surprised if I use it because I use a lot. Triptych. I used to make triptychs a lot in photography. That's like, usually three photos next to it. It's like if you take three photos that kind of are of a part and you maybe frame them all together or. I used to do it digitally. Triptych. Posting things. A triptych. It's three. Three photographs. Triptych.

[Luke Burbank]

I think I only learned that, like, probably five, 10 years ago about some sort of. Some piece of art that, you know, as it was being described, is being described as a triptych. I don't think I knew that that was a. That was a thing. I was very lucky when I went on. On that boat in Miami, speaking of art, out to go do that, like, snorkeling thing around that underwater art project. It just so happened that the guy who had made the art that was underwater had been at the Venice Biennale in 2001, and I had been to that Venice Biennale. And so I was reading up on his cv and so I went and looked at all the art there. So I didn't specifically remember his piece, but I could say to him with confidence, hey, I saw your work at the Biennale in 2001. And he was like, oh, my gosh.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow. Wow.

[Luke Burbank]

So we really bonded. That was right before he scuba dived down to see his art and then came back up and then spent the rest of the trip vomiting violently.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. You mentioned that. Do you notice called when there's two photos, if a triptych is three, do you know what it is?

[Luke Burbank]

A bi. Tick.

[Andrew Walsh]

Triptych. Diptych. I believe Diptych.

[Luke Burbank]

Wait, now that. But I think I'm right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Tell me if I'm right about that is a dip. Can you look up Diptych. I don't even know how you'd spell it. To be honest with you.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, the funny part is, okay, it's a word.

[Andrew Walsh]

Diptych. There you go.

[Luke Burbank]

A painting, especially an altar piece on two hinged wooden panels which may be closed like a book.

[Andrew Walsh]

So there you go. So, yeah, I think that, I think we used to use that. Did triptych. Did you look that up? I always use it as photography, but I wonder if triptych actually has its origins in some sort of folding up painting system as well, like they say.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I got the sense when that it. The triptych just goes, you know, that it's 3 of anything that's being presented as an art. I mean, it could be paintings of different people, but you, you take it as a, you know, all three of the. Of the images are part of the same presentation, the same piece of art. That would be called a triptych. See, Diptych.

[Andrew Walsh]

Diptych.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, first of all, there's a candle called diptyque, which is very fancy. I have one, but I still am. I'm too cheap to actually use it. It's like a, you know, a nice scented candle, but it's like they're so expensive that I keep just instead lighting my, like, cheap candles I get at Safeway or something. And it's spelled almost the same, but it's diptyque, I would think, though I guess dye could mean too. I think of bi as being the root. The root letter for the root letters for when you're, you know, bisecting something, cutting into.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think it would be bitch. But diptych, it's diptych.

[Luke Burbank]

You're right.

[Andrew Walsh]

When I take one photo and I show it, I call it a uni tick. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Just like, hey, did you like that one Tick pony.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's the show title.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

I say, Genevieve, did you like my uni tick on Instagram? All right, I'm writing down one tick pony. Sorry for the delay here. I got to switch over to another tab now. And. Okay, this is interesting. This is not how Kristen usually does this, but apparently there were a bunch of words all in episode 4381. What do you think that show was? TBTL 4381. If I look that up, that is 300 episodes ago. The episode is called Mr. Steal your Soup. I remember that. I was, I was teasing you about something when you walked in. I just remember making you laugh. You walked into the, into the Alaska lounge and everybody said, here comes Mr. Steal you soup. Luke finally explains why he is in a knockout drag out fight with his favorite Airline. He and Andrew also listen in on a 1971 phone conversation between Bob Dylan and the man who has spent decades harassing him. Okay, this was not that long ago. This was in. Oh, yes, it was. It was in January. Boy, doesn't this. It feels like this conversation was just yesterday. Luke. Sometimes I'm blown away. So out of that episode, here are a bun of words. E. Crete. That sounds like. Is that a special kind of concrete that you're using in your house?

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe. How is that spelled?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, interestingly, Kristen put a sp. Question mark, so she.

[Luke Burbank]

Because I think maybe what. What she heard me say was accrete.

[Andrew Walsh]

Accrete. Oh, what is that?

[Luke Burbank]

Accrete is for things to sort of come together and become fused.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

This. This idea, you know, accretion is. Is things becoming basically stuck together and hardened over time. And that can have a lot of different kind of. You know, you could say that this. The thought around this certain political philosophy has accreted over the years in the minds of people on the left. Or it could also be physically something has accreted. That's how I think of accrete. Accrete to grow by accumulation or co. Oh, sorry, you've got it.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, yeah, I was just going to say to grow by accumulation or coalescence. So that reminds me of. You often use the analogy of a snowball rolling downhill. That sort. That's almost like kind of accretion.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Although accretion. I think of it as being more like. Almost like more solid, like accretion. Accrete and ossify are like neighbors, in my mind. Whereas ossify is just to harden and become kind of more. More brittle and kind of baked and sort of like, you know, to ossify is to just become less flexible and more hardened. To accrete is for a lot of smaller things to combine into one solid thing over time. In my mind, I could be wrong about that. That's how I tend to use this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Since we're just doing this. And by the way, if this isn't working as podcasting, I just want everybody to send their complaints directly to Kristen, not to us, but. Just joking. Thank you, Kristen. But how is ossify different than calcify, then? Because I always use calcify to describe what you were just talking about.

[Luke Burbank]

They probably mean the same thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, maybe they're just the same thing. Like calcify, maybe with more of a calcium root or something.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's see what we get from ossify.

[Andrew Walsh]

Ossify?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, to turn into bone. Or bony tissue to become rigid or fixed in attitude or position to cease developing. That's ossify. And then let's see what I bet you calcify is like almost in calcify. Calcify to harden by deposition or conversion into calcium carbonate or another insoluble calcium compound. These elements would calcify as rock.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't think you heard this the same way on your end because of the slight delay, but you and I hit that the exact same time. There sounded like there was a tiny, tiny echo. I love it. Listeners, go back, hit the back 15 second button and listen to that again. Did you hear how it sort of sounded? Like maybe she was saying that in a big empty cave. That's because Luke and I hit that at the exact same time. So basically, ossify and calcify, you can use them interchangeably.

[Luke Burbank]

That's my sense. I like ossify. Sounds fancier. Sounds more highfalutin. So that's probably why I'm going with that. Per usual.

[Andrew Walsh]

How do you feel about. So these are all from the same show, by the way. A creted. No, no, none of that other stuff. But a crete was one. And then cosseted.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

How do you use cosseted?

[Luke Burbank]

To me, cosseted, the way I would use it is someone who's being handled with kid gloves. Like someone who's being really like Joffrey and Lord, you know, whatever that show is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Game of Thrones, a little bit like sheltered to a day.

[Luke Burbank]

Sheltered and like overly taken care of and being casa. And usually in my mind, not in a good way. Like you wouldn't say, like, oh, I was cosseting that baby chick because it fell out of the nest and it needed help. It's more like it's a bad thing. It's like, oh, they're cosseting Trump by only telling him good news about the economy. He's being cosseted. He's being cosseted, cared for and protected in an overindulgent way. Or pampered. The cosseted daughter of an upper class New England family is what the Internet's saying, cosseted.

[Andrew Walsh]

So what is a cosset flop then? Solicitous. That also is probably word you use that means, can I take a stab at that? Which is going to be wrong. I'll tell you right now, I'm pretty sure this is going to be wrong. But when I think of some being solicitous, I think of them as being, yeah, I think this is wrong. But it's almost like thirsty. Sort of like they're acting in a way where they want a reaction out of somebody but being solicitous. But I know that I'm not right about that. What have you got?

[Luke Burbank]

Solicitous. I'm nervous that that one popped up because I feel like I don't really know exactly how you use solicitous. So if I used it, there's a limited chance that I used it correctly. Characterized by or showing interest or concern. She was always solicitous about the welfare of her students.

[Andrew Walsh]

Solicitous.

[Luke Burbank]

To me, solicitous sounds like a bad thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

It does. That's why I thought it was solicitous in this. Like you're being a little like somehow you're being solicitous for your own ends is how I assume the archaic version.

[Luke Burbank]

Of this, according to the Internet is eager or anxious to do something. He was solicitous to cultivate her mama's good opinion. Sentence took a turn.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that is a strange. What a modern. They're like in the ancient.

[Luke Burbank]

He was solicitous to tap that ass.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yamama.

[Luke Burbank]

That was weird. But anyway, I have always thought of. When I've heard solicitous, I've assumed that it's kind of like you're being. I think. You know what, it sounds a little bit like obsequious to me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's what I think I was doing there. Obsequious with my. My thirstiness. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And obsequious is definitely not a good thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Obsequious. No. And I know that doesn't mean thirsty. That means you're. You're. You're. You're kissing up, you're sucking up a little bit. You're brown nosing.

[Luke Burbank]

Obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree.

[Andrew Walsh]

Obsequious. There is going to be a quiz. We should quiz the listeners at the end of this. We should. We should have made worse.

[Luke Burbank]

Honestly, like, I feel like we're, you know, this is vocab time. Of course, this was always the only part of school that I liked or cared about. So maybe this is just to my interest. But like, I would literally listen to a podcast. I'm sure there are many where they're just taking a big unwieldy word that I've heard a few times but not been 100% clear on and then just playing how it's pronounced and what it means.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, but not from their own.

[Luke Burbank]

I actually like that content.

[Andrew Walsh]

But not from their own, like education or knowledge, but just like, hey, let's look up some words. Let's look up some words. Now, these next three, I could see either one of us saying. I know that I say them a lot. In fact, this is still from that same episode, by the way. 4381, the second one I'm about to read. I know I've been using way too much recently, I hear myself saying, and it rings out like a bell. But before we get to that, let's start with this. Disincentivize. I feel like you and I both talk about disincentivizing in some manner. That's a word that I can't think of a. There are a lot of words where sometimes I can't think of the right word because I'm thinking of some big word like that. And there must be an easier way to disincentivize, but I can't get there. But disincentivize is. It's the opposite of incentivize. It's just like you're giving somebody a reason not to do something. Right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's an easy one because you got that dis there. You've got a word that we know, which is incentivize. And then you've got the very obvious what sort of anti. To that. Disincentivize. Yeah, I think that's a crutch for me as well. Or at least a word that I go to a lot when I'm just saying, like, what's making me not want to do that? You know, it's disincentivizing me, but it also sounds smart, so it's fun to. That. That's a. That's a lethal combination for me. Something that is both easy but sounds smart. That's my real wheelhouse.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's why they use that word in the National Football League. Disincentivize. Just people who like to say things in a more difficult way. But it is. I can't think like disincentivize. That would. I would like to disincentivize him from using that language in the future. What's an easier way of saying that? I would like to persuade him not to. I would try to dissuade, maybe dissuade.

[Luke Burbank]

Dissuade is the easier. Although disincentivize has a. I guess dissuade and disincentivize are probably almost interchangeable.

[Andrew Walsh]

One sounds more like you're persuading.

[Luke Burbank]

Incentivize has a certain. It has a certain Almost like, economic kind of feeling to it. Like, it's a financial disincentive.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. That's where I think, like, there's something more concrete. There's a cost. Yes, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

And it's been expanded out now to just mean anything that makes you not want to do something. But I think of its origins, and I don't know if this is true or not, but I think of it as being kind of like there's essentially like, a financial drag on this thing, which is a disincentive for doing it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. As opposed to an incentive. So, okay, so this next one is the one I was saying that I use way, way, way too much recently, which is pernicious. I don't know how that got into my water supply, but I think of pernicious as being pernicious. Just basically, well, bad.

[Luke Burbank]

Basically, they have saying pernicious for this thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Pernicious. A child, a baby.

[Luke Burbank]

They hire a baby to say pernicious.

[Andrew Walsh]

A little pernicious baby. I think of pernicious as being just basically widely bad, honestly. Like, am I right about that? Like, oh, that this is a pernicious sentiment.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. Having a harmful effect, especially in a gradual or subtle way.

[Andrew Walsh]

Pernicious. And the other one here on the.

[Luke Burbank]

List, you never hear anything with Isus in the name. That's good. No, you hear isus run.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, Isis. Now, is he the one who flew too close to the sun?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, he did.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm very familiar with that story.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. On a hang glider.

[Andrew Walsh]

The last one from this particular episode was one that I do feel like I use a lot, but maybe we both use it reticent, which means, like, you're hesitating to jump in to do something. I'm reticent to take that boat trip if I'm gonna be puking over the side. Am I right?

[Luke Burbank]

Now, this is interesting. Not revealing one's thoughts or feelings readily.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I use it and I use it incorrectly.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I use it the same way you do. Reticent to me just means hesitant, probably. When I'm saying reticent, I should be saying hesitant, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, I think so. So reticent is more like, oh, you're playing with poker with somebody.

[Luke Burbank]

He's being a little secretive.

[Andrew Walsh]

He' tough to play against because he's reticent or.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, so I do think that. Yeah. What I. Sometimes what I'll do is I'll just say, oh, when I want to say this word, what's the actual word I should be saying? And, like, fix it that way. Like, I was talking to my mom the other. My mom loves to use facetious when she means sarcastic.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I'm being facetious. I was like, mom, anytime you want to use facetious, just say sarcastic. Because when you're saying facetious, you're trying to say sarcastic. Because facetious. These. I just. I looked this up the other day. The. The. The definition of it is more you're being humorous about a very serious topic that is to be facetious.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't think you knew that.

[Luke Burbank]

You're not. You're not dealing with a very serious topic with the seriousness that it probably deserves or usually gets. That's to be facetious.

[Andrew Walsh]

Did you know that? Well, you knew when your mom was saying that. There was some disconnect there. I think I've always used facetious as just like anything that means facetious. I'm joking. Oh, I'm just being facet. Facetious.

[Luke Burbank]

Treating. Well, actually, this is the thing. You are facetious a lot. I mean this, really, because it's treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor or being flippant. That is. That is something we both do. But I think you do it especially. So you are. You are facetious many times. My mom's always just using it to mean, a, I was joking, or B, I was being sarcastic. Yeah, but it has a more specific meaning.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like. Like my blog about 911 jokes.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. That's sarcastic.

[Andrew Walsh]

See, I was just being facetious. Facetious. This next one. I don't know how long we've been going. I know we got to kind of keep things tight today, but I did want to bring up this one because it's funny to see this on the list because this is a long time sore, I don't know, sort of joke or reference between Genevieve and I. It's quadrangle. And this is. I only think of. I always only think of quadrangle as it is used on, like, a college campus. The quad. Right. You always hear that all the time. Oh, yeah. Well, I'll meet you on the quad. Well, I think that stands for quadrangle, but I never knew that before. Quadrangle. And I hope this doesn't come off in the wrong way, but the first time I ever heard that phrase was when Genevieve worked at Northeastern University. And I think I have this right. I think it was Northeastern, not Dartmouth. She worked for some university where there was a spot on campus that was called, I want to say the Krentzman Quadrangle. And I had never heard the word quadrangle before. And Genevieve was just, like, talking and in passing Krensmann Quadrangle. I was like, you are at the what, what now? And then she's like, the quadrangle. Just a combination of those 2K sounds. We can probably look that up if it's Dartmouth or Northeastern or if I even have that. Right. But forever, I was just like, oh, yeah, it just trips off the tongue. Meet me at the Krentsman Quadrangle. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, everyone's going to the Krentz Quad.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, sure, right. You didn't go to the Kranz Quad.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, it's funny, I don't think I ever. Because I did. I went to a university, University of Washington, that has a quad. And everyone talks about, oh, yeah, the cherries are blossom, the cherry trees are in blossom or in bloom in the quad. I don't think I ever knew that it was quadrangle. I don't know. I guess I just thought it was quad because there's four. And it was just shorthand.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Never occurred to me that it was. That there was wrangle was part of it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, well, I think maybe this was my original point. We can find out. So the quad, first of all, at the University of Washington, that's different than Red Square. Because I was gonna say, why is a quad different than a square if it's a four side? I guess maybe it's not a perfect square.

[Luke Burbank]

So Red Square is that big, huge brick area that's between a number of buildings. I think not strictly four. Like, you've got Kane hall, you've got Odegaard Library, you got Suzzallo Library. Andrew, you're dealing with a person who worked at the University of Washington Visitor Information Center.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, but what we always called the quad was that kind of gr. With the cherry trees. That's. That is literally a quadrangle.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, but I mean, they're both squares. That's what I. Because as a, well, quadrangle.

[Luke Burbank]

I guess what I'm trying to say is I think Red Square is a little misleading. I don't think it's actually a square.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not actually a square. But I'm just saying, like, why are we calling quadrangles squares? Other than maybe trying to sound fancy?

[Luke Burbank]

Right. Well, yeah. I wonder what else. Again, I think that the issue particular to the University of Washington is that Red Square is not a square. So they shouldn't call it red Square. They should call it. It red brick area.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is what. Well, that's what I'm.

[Luke Burbank]

Red brick area.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what I'm going to call it going forward. But yeah, and it does say quadrangle. Now I understand that not all four sided shapes are squares, but it does say that in architecture, usually a quadrangle is a rectangle or a square. But and I was, by the way, more points to me. Krensman Quadrangle is Northeastern, I believe here. So according to this Northeastern University wiki.

[Luke Burbank]

Wasn't that another Joseph Heller book, Krentsman Quadrangle? Was it a follow up to catch 22?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's my understanding.

[Luke Burbank]

They get some points for pulling a Joseph Heller. Not an obscure writer, but I'm amazed that my brain. Is that his name?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it's Joseph Heller. I can guarantee that. Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, let's thank some of our daily donors. These folks are donating to tbtl. And you know, it's, it's. I was going to try to draw some analogy between supporting an institution of higher learning like the University of Washington or something, but I. Today I think we've satisfied that, that sort of standard. I think we were a podcast of higher, of some amount of learning. Today everybody is leaving more than normal.

[Andrew Walsh]

A little bit smarter and a little bit more bored than they came in.

[Luke Burbank]

Just like real college.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks to Sarah Farley of Spokane, Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, Sarah.

[Luke Burbank]

Have you noticed the, have you noticed the legacy of Chris Farley or the Farley family that's very present in the television landscape? The television commercial landscape?

[Andrew Walsh]

No.

[Luke Burbank]

So Chris Farley has two brothers who both themselves were kind of comedic performers. Although I get the feeling that I don't know if they were doing it before Chris Farley or at the same time. But at some point after Chris Farley had passed, you'd see them booked in a lot of things, I think, because the people wanted a Chris Farley type, but there was no longer a Chris Farley. And also he would have been too expensive because he was famous from his movies and snl. But all these Amazon commercials now that involve this one, she's, I think maybe a college student or somebody who's, you know, in young adulthood. But she comes home and her dad's on the treadmill and he's being real embarrassing on the treadmill that's now in her childhood bedroom. And then there's another commercial where she and her new boyfriend are sitting around and the boyfriend has gotten the dad something and we can't tell if the dad likes it or not.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've seen that one. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

He's about to buy a different thing, but he doesn't. Because the dad likes it. Yes, that's Chris Farley's brother.

[Andrew Walsh]

The dad is Chris Farley's dad is Chris Farley.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, next time.

[Andrew Walsh]

I. I didn't. I haven't seen the first one you described, but I definitely have seen the second one. I'll keep an eye out for that. Of course, now that the hot. Now that Christmas has passed us and gift giving is over, I wonder if that'll mercifully go away. But.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I know. Yeah. Anyway, Becky Day is in Aberdeen, Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, Becky.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks, Becky. Hope you're. Aberdeen is a place that does. It gives where I live a run for its money in terms of the weather being a bit gray this time of year, a bit wet grays. Harbor county lives up to the name. So I hope you're doing well down there, Becky. Jessica Doppler's in Dunkirk, New York.

[Andrew Walsh]

You want to talk about names that evoke weather? We got Doppler here. That's right. Doppler is also the name of the Seattle Storm's mascot.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, that's pretty cool.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's really cool.

[Luke Burbank]

Now, wait, is. Okay, so Doppler. I know the Doppler radar is a thing. Isn't Doppler also the name for the phenomenon of when, like, a train is coming towards you and the sound of the train changes?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, it's relative. And are they related?

[Luke Burbank]

Isn't that called the Doppler effect?

[Andrew Walsh]

I bet you you're right. I don't think I was thinking that, but I totally am on board with what you're saying. On board like a train.

[Luke Burbank]

The Doppler effect is the change in frequency and wavelength of waves when the source and observer are moving relative to each other, causing a higher frequency as they approach and a lower frequency as they move apart.

[Andrew Walsh]

And is that. Is that the same sort of scientific concept that's behind Doppler radar? I would.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, what a. What a coincidence if they weren't, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

I would think so. Kristen, can you add this to your list for next year?

[Luke Burbank]

That's all we're asking. I mean, the donations are great, but also a little bit of clarity on the Doppler effect would also help. I mean, it is kind of your name, although slightly different spelling.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks also to Andrew L. Soth out there in Madison, Wisconsin.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, Andrew. We got to stick together.

[Luke Burbank]

Andrew love Madison. Carla Beck is in Kent, Washington, another place that we love.

[Andrew Walsh]

Indeed. It'll do.

[Luke Burbank]

And then Andrew Walsh.

[Andrew Walsh]

This guy.

[Luke Burbank]

You mean this guy. Steve Nelson.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you don't even have the Steve Nelson.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't have it at the ready. Steve Nelson. Almost as good. Our old Boss Steve Nelson. Steve El Ropo Nelson, who hired us at American Public Media, ran interference from probably his bosses and anyone else who listened to the show there and now has moved on to other major media projects, is still out there in St. Paul, Minnesota, donating to this little thing all these years later, Andrew. And that is just an absolutely incredible thing. Thanks, Steve.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

We really appreciate you, dude.

[Andrew Walsh]

There are not a lot of people in my life that I can say like, if I didn't know that person for we didn't interact, we didn't have the experience we had, that my life would be significantly different. And I feel like my life would be significantly different if I had never known Steve Nelson.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you want to know my prediction? I don't think we'd have a show.

[Andrew Walsh]

You don't think we would have gotten to apm? You think that if we had remained independent, but not independent as we are now because we're pretty, I mean, not to brag, but we have a pretty professional organization going on. We do.

[Luke Burbank]

Mostly to John Squad.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, exactly. But like, you know, like we're, we're official. But back in the day when you were running it independently and paying me, but I had another job and you were juggling a bunch of jobs, it probably wouldn't have survived without like kind of getting sort of tempered in the APM style.

[Luke Burbank]

Sort of, yeah. Because basically without, you know, without getting too into the weeds or whatever. Like where we were at before APM was you were doing this, I think. Well, you would know, but it's like you were receiving some money to do it, but certainly not an amount you could live on. So it couldn't have been your real job. And I know certainly that there were many, many times, particularly when you had your other really challenging job in LA where it was like, you know, pretty tough to also carve out an hour to come be part of this every single day. And it was not for the money. And then. But there wasn't the show because I. We didn't have a John Sklaroff. It hadn't been set up from a fundraising model to where it was really something that could be both of our jobs, like full time, you know, decent paying jobs that we could just do and have that be where our income came from. It was kind of more in between. And then when we went to APM because they hired us, then we both had real jobs there and benefits. And then over time there was a lot of, you know, for all the a, I guess, side eye that I give some of the experiences we had over there, there was a much more legitimate, rigorous and what's the word? I don't know, all of the donation processes accreted into something that was actually like, you know, successful and worked. And we learned about things like sending out emails around the fundraiser and, you know, trying to encourage people to become monthly donors. Just all this like, fundraising strategy that was applied to the show. So that then when we finally went out on our own again, we had those, we had John Sklaroff and now we're running so much better of an operation than we were when it was you and me and you were in la. And if we wouldn't have had that bridging event of apm, I just don't.

[Andrew Walsh]

Think the show would be around and not. And this is gonna sound really, really self serving, but I do think that it's true is it also shifted the dynamic of my role on the show significantly, which I think even like that plays into the fundraising thing. But also I think that's what the difference was. When I was doing TBT with you, when I still lived in Seattle, but I was doing a night show on Cairo Radio at the time when we started, I was producing your and Dave Ross's show on the radio. But TBT was always a side gig for me. But literally my only responsibility would be to get into a studio with you. And you would turn on my mic, you recorded it, you posted it, you named it. Isn't that hilarious? You did everything and I just sat there and I laughed and I spoofed and that was it. But then once this became our job, then I became the producer of the show. You used to call me Producer Andrew, but that's because my background background was in producing. I didn't actually produce tbtl. I guess I did that weekend thing. But anyway, I'm getting into too much detail. But really the huge change was suddenly my days were free and so I could. We were coming up with ideas. I mean, that is what brought us Dream Court. We never talked about our dreams in an official segment on tbtl. And that is the APM legacy. And that is Steve Nelson's legacy.

[Luke Burbank]

You want to talk about a map that might have been. That might have been one of the largest improvements in the show was you taking the reins of all things audio. Like, not just in file management, not just in the fact that you very meticulously and assiduously keep all of the records and keep all of the source files for the shows organized very well, but like just the audio quality. You just do so much processing to the show afterwards. It's like, that's a big, big thing. And the fact that it makes it on the Internet successfully. It never has us talking about something unrelated before the show starts, which is something I once.

[Andrew Walsh]

It happened like once, though. I mean, it's not like you had a huge record of that, but I.

[Luke Burbank]

Just mean it's so much. It's just, it's. It's hilarious to think that at one time the audio quality of the show was my response. I mean, that's so long ago now that it's. It's a hilarious thought. It's like, I can't think of a good analogy, but it's like, you know, I don't know. It's just, it's. You're so much better at that than I am, both in just talent and also in like, just determination and kind of sense of. Of personal work ethic. That. That's a massive, massive improvement for the show too.

[Andrew Walsh]

And so that got us started with us in our kind of current roles, so that then, you know, spending the time there and then moving on and going independent and, you know, maybe this is just a moment to say, as we are truly, and not to get corny, but as we are truly and sincerely thanking our donors for bringing us here. Yeah, it has. We've gone through a lot of phases and I do think, you know, like. And again, I know we always get a little bit nervous using words like being proud of our work, but certainly maybe less shame, in the words of Bart Simpson about what we do here. And it is literally only because of listeners supporting us throughout the APM days and post and beforehand too.

[Luke Burbank]

I know, it is funny too. We have some friends who have spun off some of their APM stuff and they're doing their show independent, which we're rooting for them. But when I was in Arizona a while ago talking to Nora, of course we were catch because her show was on APM2 to. And it was just so funny because without. Without giving too much detail on people's business. Let me put it this way, Andrew. Some of the other shows that have left apm, there's been a certain amount of negotiation around what's called the intellectual property. Who can say what. Who can call their show what. What the. You know, there's been like apm, let's just say, saying, well, you know, this was developed maybe while you worked with us, and so therefore we own some of the. The. And I'll tell you what, they had no interest in trying to deprive us of tbt.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, well, luckily that did exist before we were. We brought TV or, you know. Yeah, you created tbtl, and we brought it to apm. So that is. That helps difference there.

[Luke Burbank]

We did have some kind of a contract. Although, you know who I found? I think I found the contract somebody. It was just funny because it was the second time that TBTL had departed somewhere. Now, the first time was Cairo because they fired us. This time was us leaving. But no one's ever said, oh, oh, God, you're taking TBTL away from us. It's never been the reaction from any of the management types. And yet here we are, and I would say stronger than ever. Like, we have a pretty good system going. I'm always pleasantly surprised that the donations continue to occur. John is just amazing at what he does, handling all of the various TBTL events or TBTL things. TBT things. So, yeah, here we are. I'm feeling good here on this Tuesday. Okay. We'll see how I feel tomorrow.

[Andrew Walsh]

So it could be a totally tough on you. Wednesdays are tough.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I've started calling them hump day.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I like that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I'm gonna blue sky that out later. How about this? Hump day, and then I'm gonna block you if you say anything.

[Andrew Walsh]

Anybody know what day that. Hey, wasn't that a camel's joke for my GEICO commercial? All right, let's get out of here.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, thanks, everybody. We're gonna be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio. In the meantime, have a great Tuesday. Take care of yourself, and please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all. Power out.