#4648 Waiting For Brunot

Summary

TBTL #4648: “Waiting For Brunot”

Date: January 23, 2026

Host(s): Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh
Guests: Lindy West & Megan Hatcher-Mays (Text Me Back podcast)

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Episode Overview

This Friday's TBTL is a special crossover episode with Lindy West and Megan Hatcher-Mays from the “Text Me Back” podcast. The show, filled with friendly banter and comedic digressions, focuses on podcasting origins, pop culture rabbit holes, politics in podcasting, sports fandom, personal anecdotes, and an extended “Hat Talk” segment. Listeners are treated to lively discussions on internet memes, public figures’ personas, influencer culture, and a comedic debate about parking garages and podcast collaborations. The original, irreverent tone of both TBTL and Text Me Back is maintained throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Joy of Crossover Episodes

• [01:33] Luke and Andrew celebrate another collaboration with Lindy and Megan, crediting genuine friendship and shared sensibilities for the episode's vibe.
• Andrew: "I just really ... after we recorded this, I just was feeling like, God, what a fun hang ... I think that translates."
• Luke: "There are not a bunch of other shows that we actually think we have that much ... synergy with ... so it is really, it's been really fun to get to do this with them."
• Reflection on the rarity and organic nature of truly successful podcast crossovers.

2. Podcasting, Politics, and Escape

• [15:55] Megan & Lindy talk about the challenge of balancing political content and escapism in “Text Me Back.”
• Megan: "The reason our show exists is to try to, like, keep everybody alive through this crisis and make sure everyone's in the right headspace to fight back—not to ignore that this stuff is going on."
• The plan for a “Swamp Person” vertical to isolate deeper political dives, inspired in part by TBTL’s “No Point Conversion” for sports.

3. Sports Fandom, Rituals & Regrets

• [19:19] Megan laments missing the NFC Championship as a fan, after Lindy, uninterested, passed up a ticket from Luke—who shares the storied guest list and aftermath.
• Megan: "I feel like the decisions I make on game day affect the outcome of the game ... am I paying attention too much? ... That will also potentially negatively impact the game."
• Andrew relates to the emotional complexity of sports fandom, revealing his routine and superstitions.

4. Shoes-Off House Social Dynamics

• [35:02] The crew explores the etiquette of shoes-on vs. shoes-off at parties and the anxiety it induces, especially for Andrew.
• Andrew: "I just feel like, well, listen, it might not make you like me anymore, but ... I’m not really comfortable in that situation."
• Discussion opens up about regional expectations, “Beach Blanket Bingo” scenarios, and strategizing around party invites.

5. Tidings & Curmudgeon Laureates

• [36:20] Megan channels Andy Rooney in a comedic rant about convoluted parking garages and QR code woes.
• Megan: "In what way is that an improvement over the gate and the ticket system? This was the worst of both worlds ... bring back the gate and the tick..."
• Lindy nominates herself as America’s next Willard Scott, championing the missing tradition of celebrating centenarians.

6. Advertising Royalty & Jingles

• [49:29] Lindy reveals her father wrote the famous Bartles and Jaymes commercials and several Seattle jingles.
• Lindy: "My father was an ad copywriter and he wrote ... those Bartles and James commercials ... I believe he came up with the slogan for Washington Mutual, a friend of the family."

7. Internet Memes & Public Persona Redemptions: Rob Lowe & Billy Bob Thornton

A) Rob Lowe’s “NFL Hat”

• [67:28; 71:01; 74:46] The infamous photo of Rob Lowe wearing a generic “NFL” hat is dissected.
• [71:01] Megan: "To me, like, what you described about this NFL hat is like somebody who doesn't really believe in anything, and it kind of gives the vibe of ‘I guess I just hope everyone has a nice time’.”
• The story: Rob Lowe only wore the hat because game organizers gave him odd options, showing more awareness and humor than the internet meme suggested.
• [74:28] Megan: "He’s like, I’ll sign the inside, but I don’t want it to be on the outside. That would ruin the hat."
• Internet redemptions and reconsiderations abound.

B) Billy Bob Thornton’s Pirate Hat

• [76:25; 81:30] A CBS This Morning segment devolves into an analysis of Billy Bob’s layered, eccentric hat look, with both suspicion and admiration for his self-awareness.
• Lindy: "I just feel like this man is, is pickled in showbiz and so he does whatever he wants and he thinks that whatever he does is a great idea." [90:59]
• Andrew: "He is an actor and he knows that he can win us over by acting like somebody who's not an asshole ... I think he was ready to talk about his fit." [85:04]
• Is his self-deprecation genuine or another performance?

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Andrew (on podcast synergy): "It's not just about growing audiences—it's about having a fun time." [09:48]
• Luke (on Lindy & Lindy's father): "My dad wanted to get in the back page of Sign Maker magazine ... I would have been so geeked if I were you." [51:26]
• Megan (Andy Rooney-style): "Seems like we should have just kept the ticket system." [43:38]
• Lindy (on centenarian updates): "I knew every old person in this country when I was a kid, yes, I could name them all like they were Pokemon and now ... I have no clue what they're getting up to." [48:16]
• Luke (on influencer culture): "Lindy, are you filming all of your influencer videos, posts, whatever, either sitting in your car or eating a bag of something?" [62:15]
• Lindy (on Billy Bob Thornton): "If it makes you look pinhead, what do you like about it? Sounds like you don't like it if you immediately have to cover it..." [92:04]
• Megan (on hats): "You don't go onto a morning show wearing a wool scarf as an ascot and ... a durag underneath a red velvet Dave Navarro hat from Ink Master and then ... take yourself too seriously." [89:30]

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Important Timestamps

• 03:28 – Introduction of “Text Me Back” and Garfield High connections.
• 09:11 – Reflection on crossover podcast dynamics.
• 15:55 – Discussion on isolating politics in “Swamp Person."
• 19:19 – Megan’s memory of missing NFC ticket and emotional sports watching.
• 35:02 – Shoes-on vs. shoes-off house party debate.
• 36:20 – Megan’s parking garage rant as “Mandy Rooney.”
• 49:29 – Lindy’s advertising royalty & jingles.
• 67:28 – Transition into “Hats Entertainment,” Rob Lowe’s “NFL hat.”
• 74:46 – Rob Lowe meme discussion and redemption.
• 76:25 – Billy Bob Thornton’s hat and persona.
• 81:30 – CBS This Morning segment about Billy Bob’s style.
• 85:04 – Andrew’s skepticism of Billy Bob’s charm as calculated.
• 90:59 – Lindy’s “pickled in showbiz” analysis.

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Other Highlights

• Megan exposes the annoying reality of app-based parking systems.
• The origin of “Text Me Back” is chronicled—a friendship that survived slow replies.
• Lindy announces her new book, Adult Braces, discusses influencer pressures, and teases casting choices for a possible adaptation.
• Everyone tries on hats to commemorate the “Hats Entertainment” segment.
• Multiple callbacks to classic ads, regional jingles, and celebrity crossovers.

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Episode Tone

Consistently playful, self-deprecating, and irreverent. Spirited tangents and in-jokes abound. The hosts keep a loose structure but return to key themes with well-timed comedic and pop culture references.

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Conclusion

A classic, highly referential, crossover hangout episode—perfect for both TBTL and Text Me Back fans. Listeners are left with new perspectives on meme formation and reversal, the intersection of authenticity and performance in media, and the delightfully mundane details of everyday irritations—all filtered through the powerhouse chemistry of four friends who love to riff.

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

Our next caller is Pete from Manhattan. Pete, what's your question?

[Megan]

Hey, Larry, first time caller.

[Andrew Walsh]

Adore the show.

[Lindy West]

Hey, I recognize that voice anywhere. Larry. That's my friend Peter Frampton on the phone.

[Megan]

Uh, sure. Listen, Tracy, I love the idea of.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hiding cash at work.

[Megan]

Can you be more specific about where.

[Andrew Walsh]

You hid your money?

[Megan]

Of course, Pete.

[Luke Burbank]

I hid my money in the safest.

[Lindy West]

Place at 30 Rock. Without giving it away, the place I picked is very dry and warm.

[Andrew Walsh]

Its top is hard, but its bottom is soft.

[Lindy West]

And although the loc changes all the.

[Luke Burbank]

Time, the money stays in the same place. If you are just joining us, we're with Tracy Jordan, who is giving guitar icon Peter Frampton enigmatic clues about a secret treasure. Stay with us.

[Andrew Walsh]

T TBTL.

[Luke Burbank]

Guess what day it is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Guess what day it is.

[Megan]

It's Friday. Friday. Gonna get down on Friday.

[Luke Burbank]

Everybody's looking forward to the weekend.

[Megan]

I don't know, guys.

[Luke Burbank]

I think I'm gonna add San Fran to the last leg of my parlay. Right. What did he say?

[Andrew Walsh]

Said hairs his hair.

[Megan]

Jana. He only chopped him down because he.

[Andrew Walsh]

Couldn'T see you no more.

[Lindy West]

What's his mum? Look, I feel a real need to.

[Luke Burbank]

Express something, but I don't know what.

[Megan]

It is I want to express or.

[Luke Burbank]

How to express it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I am not gonna talk about myself.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm gonna talk about you.

[Andrew Walsh]

And if I talk about you, I think I'm gonna talk about me.

[Megan]

We could not talk or talk forever and still find things to not talk about.

[Lindy West]

All right, that. Gotta run.

[Luke Burbank]

See you on the flippy flops. Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host, coming to you from the Madrona Hills studio perched high above the mighty Columbia as we have arrived, everyone, at episode 4000, 648 in a collector series, a special episode of the program. This is special. This is special. Something that the TBTL listeners have come to love because it's happened a couple of times before. Hopefully the text me back. Listeners are enjoying it as much as our fans are. And that is a crossover episode featuring me and your guy, Andrew Walsh, by the way. Good morning, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. Sorry, I left my microphone open during that intro. I sort of chortled twice. Sorry if that was picked up on the mic.

[Luke Burbank]

I think it's good to model things for the listeners. Sometimes you need to sort of be an example of how they should be responding to the audio that's a good point.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's why you have that applause and laughter on your little riffs.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Machine.

[Luke Burbank]

It's called leading by example.

[Andrew Walsh]

I like it.

[Luke Burbank]

And it's. It's what we do here. How many times. I'm putting you on the spot here, but how many times have we. I was going to say crossed over, but that just sounds like we're starting a new segment on the show where we do some. What's his name, James Van Pra.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Like medium stuff. Crossing over. How many times have we have we done a show with our friends Lindy and Megan from the Text Me Back podcast?

[Andrew Walsh]

I was literally going to ask you this. That's nice foreshadowing by. Oh, that's right.

[Luke Burbank]

Very good. We're going to hear more rabo content coming up.

[Andrew Walsh]

I thought that this was either our third or fourth time, but I was going to ask you if you happen to know.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm going to say three or four sounds about right. If you are unfamiliar, if you're a TBTL listener and you're not familiar with Text Me Back. It's this phenomenal podcast. Lindy west and Megan Hatcher Mays do their actual real life friends from high school, Garfield High in Seattle. Also the alma mater of our friend P. Fletch and our friend Ivan. If I'm just going to start, this is the part of the show where I name Garfield High alums.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right. And just shout out to James Garfield. Honestly.

[Luke Burbank]

Totally. Hey, make sure you check out Death by Lightning. It's a good. It's an interesting miniseries on Netflix about the assassination of James Garfield.

[Andrew Walsh]

You were telling me about that.

[Luke Burbank]

I think somebody very interesting. It's got Michael Shannon. It's got Nick Offerman.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you mean Michael Shannon from Pottersville.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean Michael Shannon from one of my favorite REM cover bands.

[Megan]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean Michael Shannon from one of the weirdest Architectural Digest home tours I've ever seen.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you might have mentioned that before.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know if I have, like. Well, I mean, Michael Shannon, it truly does seem to be a person who is not. How do I put it? He is very much marches to the beat of his own. Of his own drummer, which probably is why he's a phenomenal actor and a pretty good singer. But he is very. When you see him interacting with interviewers or in this case. So like, Architectural Digest Home Tour is kind of the MTV cribs for the New Yorker set. You know, same premise. We want to see what the inside of famous people's houses look like. But this is done with a little bit. I guess maybe it's a little more understated, but they go to Michael Shannon's. He's got this cool apartment in New York. And it's just like him talking about the stuff in the apartment and where it came from is. It's just so he seems. And I don't think he's in any way trying to be unhelpful. He seems like he could fall asleep at any moment. He may still be recovering from the. From the bullet that he took playing James Garfield in Death by Lightning. But anyway.

[Andrew Walsh]

Pardon me how unprepared. What happened to me. I couldn't even reach my mute button in time came out.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what that was? That was Death by Lightning. You can't go around being worried about it all the time. But when it happens, it's quite sudden.

[Andrew Walsh]

It really is quite sudden. And maybe that was God trying to smite me before I picked some nits with you. But. But is it fair to say that he's in an REM cover band when he's just doing Michael Stipes role with the band REM With Michael Stipe standing next to him on stage, which I think is what's actually happening.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, he's actually. He's doing that sometimes, but he's also been touring with a whole other dude.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Doing R.E.M.

[Andrew Walsh]

None of the original members of the band.

[Luke Burbank]

None of the original guys. And I forget, the other guy is maybe from like the Mountain Goats or something. The other dude is like kind of in a. I think a kind of a well known, like maybe sort of indie band. But yeah, they've now. I think it started with what you're describing, which was Michael Shannon showing up and performing with REM and now it's become its own thing where he. I think he might be literally currently touring anyway.

[Andrew Walsh]

Jason Narducci, is that the name you're looking for?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. What is. Where's that guy from? Not the Mountain Goat.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm looking this up now because I'm totally out of my element here. He seems to be listed as like kind of a solo musician. I'm looking to see, like the first line on Wikipedia doesn't seem to associate him with any band. And I guess I was like, well, what do they call. These are famous people who are doing a cover band of a very famous. What would they call it? Is it something clever? Is it based on an RM song? I think they're just calling themselves Michael Shannon and Jason Narducci and friends. And they just Perform REM Songs, which I kind of appreciate. Like, let's not be super clever about this and let's not call ourselves Chronic Town or, you know, which. There's nothing wrong wrong with that either. But they're just like, we're doing this thing and we're just going to tell you what it is.

[Luke Burbank]

Narducy deserves a quiet night. Not that this is exactly fame and fortune, but it looks like Narducci did. He was touring with Bob Mold.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

For a period of time. That seems to be the highest profile thing that I can find here. Oh, you know what, though? Let's see his single. His current solo project, split single, blah, blah, blah. It features. He's some. John Wurster is on the drums. That's a mountain goat.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

So I think this was all blending together in my mind. He also toured with Sunny Day Real Estate.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

But I guess what I would say is, I apologize that we ran out of time for our conversation with Megan and Lindy because we spent a little too much time talking about Michael Shannon and Architectural Digest. Here's what I was trying to say. Lindy and Megan are real high school friends who have now maintained their real adult friendship. And they. The very name of their podcast, Text Me Back is born out of the fact that one of them would text one of them something, and then it would be. I think it was mostly Lindy, because I. I'm friends with Lindy as well, and it would take Lindy too long to text Megan back, so she would. Then the text would start to be text me Back. Like, hey, hey, you know, get back into this conversation. So they decided that the text relationship wasn't working and they should start recording these conversations. And. And, boy, aren't we all the beneficiaries of that? Because. Because that is the. That is the impetus for the Text Me Back podcast.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I just have a grand time doing this. Luke, that sounds like a sure do fake thing to say, but I was telling you off air where I'm nothing but real. You've said before that I'm almost too real sometimes.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm uncomfortable most of the time because I keep saying, we're not recording this anywhere, are we? Because you are getting freaking. You're Yahoo Serious.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. So serious.

[Luke Burbank]

They call me Sunny Day Real Estate.

[Andrew Walsh]

So anyway, but I was just saying before the show today that I just really, after we recorded this, I just was feeling like, God, what a fun hang. It just really always feels like a fun hang. And I think that translates. And I Love hanging out with them. And I think that what you and I do together matches very well what they do together. And I think when all four of us get together, it's just the right vibe. And so I hope listeners are vibing with us.

[Luke Burbank]

You and I and John have talked about, like, well, you know, what are the podcasts that we could do these sort of crossover shows with where we think there's a decent chance that our listeners will really like what the other podcast is doing and the other podcast will really like what we're doing and therefore maybe grow both listening audiences. And again, as you said, just have a fun time. And I'll be honest with you, it's sort of a short list because of, like, how, I don't know, whatever the DNA of our show, there are not a bunch of other shows that we actually think we have that much, I guess you might say, sort of synergy with connective tissue crossover, just vibe sharing. And so it is really, it's been really fun to get to do this with them because it's always just like, and you. The other thing, Andrew, is you and I, we got a lot of big ideas and we follow through on a lot of them, but there's a lot that we don't follow through on. And this is one that we have been. Because that's how much fun it is. Like, we, at some point we're like, we should try to do more shows with text me back. Usually that's the last we speak of any particular idea that we have.

[Andrew Walsh]

Something shiny catches our eye and we move on.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

And that's not been the case with this because. Not because we can point to any particular audience growth or anything else. It's because we love getting to talk to Megan and Lindy. So that's what you are all are about to hear. You know, I believe this starts where every good podcast overlap starts, Andrew with a dog violently barking in the background and possibly interrupting the broadcast. But no, no, we pushed on and had this conversation with Megan and Lindy. So here we go. It's TMBTBTL the dog happening right now on your podcast.

[Megan]

Oh, good, Kevin's in line.

[Andrew Walsh]

Perfect timing. He must have heard me hit the button.

[Megan]

Yarp, yarp, yarp. He says, well, and with that sound, we know it's time to record podcast, because Kevin only does that the second someone hits record. So it must be podcast hour.

[Lindy West]

That's right.

[Megan]

But you know what?

[Lindy West]

Kevin knows what he's doing because you know what podcast this is. It's not any Old podcast.

[Megan]

Oh, I'm sorry. I tuned in for Text me back podcast. Is this something else?

[Lindy West]

No, this is something even better. It's called Temptle of the Dog. And Kevin's a dog. Do you get it?

[Megan]

It's a dog. You know, and that's true. Luke and Andrew are here, or shall we say we're there because we're in their riverside, which means we don't have access to any of the stupid nonsense on our media board. God damn it. Unfortunate. So Lindy can't play the Trump drop where he's like, very rich, very rich. Fat shot drug. So unfortunately, the listeners can't hear that, but welcome, Andrew and L. Your own Riverside recording studio. It's beautiful to be with you.

[Luke Burbank]

It's amazing to see you. Thank you for sliding into our riverside.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. I love what we've done with the place. Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

We have so many Trump drops that we can play from here if you need us to. Although we actually. Yeah, we. I think it was. Was it after the first one, Andrew, the first election, we just said we. We laid off. It was kind of like we couldn't figure out for us personally the line between, yes, it's funny cause it's ridiculous or it just kind of kill something inside us.

[Lindy West]

Our listeners. Our listeners actually have banned them and I'm not allowed to play Rich.

[Megan]

We took a poll and then they immediately, like, immediately everyone said, don't do that. And then we violated the sacred trust and played them a bunch the next week. And I still feel bad about that.

[Lindy West]

Then we. Then we never did it again. Never did it again.

[Luke Burbank]

We played him like crazy leading up to the first election because it was like, what a silly thing that I know. Person thinks they could be president. Everything they say is humorous because it's so misguided and it just has. I don't know if you've been tracking it, but it's gotten less funny.

[Megan]

You know, I haven't been paying attention at all. So keep me. Let me know if I. If anything happens that I need to know about. Yeah, well, so on our show, we have something we called the no Giggle Pledge. And we invented it during the election in 2024 because every. I'm so sorry to say this. Everything that comes out of that guy's mouth is sensational.

[Luke Burbank]

It's comedy gold.

[Megan]

So funny. He's so funny. And frankly, the fact that he is the president makes it funnier because. Why is the president asking each of his cabinet members who's on Ozempic, like, what?

[Lindy West]

Like what what am I watching?

[Megan]

Why is he saying we're going to lose 8,800 billion pounds before the midterms? The midterms. Hello. Hello. So, you know, so it's just insane. So we. During the election, Lindsay and I were like, okay, we're going to try really hard not to laugh at anything Trump says, because now we're in this very serious moment where he might get elected again. And unfortunately, I don't know if you guys have been paying attention, but he did. I was t. Again. Yeah, he totally did get elected again. So we were like, every time we laugh at something Trump says, we'll donate $5 to Kamala Harris. And. And sadly, it did bankrupt Text Me Back podcasts. Text Me Back Podcast is no longer solvent because we had to donate all.

[Luke Burbank]

Our money to Kamala Harris, Maya Rudolph. To what end?

[Lindy West]

To what end?

[Megan]

Why would Donald Trump want to rust my roast my Bowflex, flood my basement? You know, but it happened. He did. He did do that. And now we are gonna do World War iii, I guess if. If we can remember the difference between Greenland and Iceland, then we will invade.

[Andrew Walsh]

So how you guys doing keeping politics out of the podcast?

[Lindy West]

So good.

[Megan]

So good. No, no. This is our second vertical temtel of the dog. We have Text Me Back main. We have Swamp Person. And then this is our third part of our media empire.

[Luke Burbank]

Person is a great name.

[Megan]

Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

And I can just. I was saying this before we started recording, but. And I don't know if it's. If this is, you know, sort of public to yalls. Text Me Back listeners or not, that you're thinking about maybe doing a show that's more politics based. Is that public knowledge?

[Megan]

It is. Yeah. So we asked our listeners, like, because we talk a lot about politics on the show and sort of. I mean, but sometimes something so bad happens that I feel like Lindy and I need to process it. And what's going on in Minneapolis is one of those times where it's like, we can't just, like, do a show where, like, anyways, then the frog pretended to be a cop. You know what I mean? Like, you. I, like, we kind of have to acknowledge that, like, the government is extrajudicially killing people. And the reason that our show exists is to try to, like, keep everybody alive through this crisis and, like, make sure everyone's in the right headspace to fight back. Not to ignore that this stuff is going on. But there are a lot of people who listen to our show who are just like that. This is like my Escape room. So.

[Luke Burbank]

And I can't solve the puzzle to get out. That's where.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's how listeners.

[Megan]

Yes. We lock them inside the Text Me Back podcast.

[Luke Burbank]

Out of pbtl.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm taking notes.

[Luke Burbank]

Never.

[Megan]

So. And we at Text Me Back podcast support dissociation. So if you want to dissociate from society, we want to help you do that too. So. So what we're going to try to do is, I mean, the show, it's not. Not possible for any podcast to be apolitical. And if it is, that is a political choice in and of itself.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Megan]

But to the extent that we might have, like, a big guest who comes on to explain, like, actually what's going on, because I know some things, but I don't know everything. And so.

[Luke Burbank]

But you know a lot of things, Megan.

[Megan]

I know a fair number of things.

[Luke Burbank]

You and I, after you and Lindy and I were in Seattle doing my radio show, we went out afterwards and you and I were talking about this stuff, and I was, like, immediately struck by how really, like, you know, deep your knowledge is of this stuff. So, I mean, I really do mean that, like, you know your stuff.

[Megan]

I have a lot of debt to show for it too. So subscribe to our patreon patreon.com text me back fought and free me from the shackles of student loan debt. But anyway, so. So like, one time we had United States Senator Jeff Merkley on our show. Like, that sort of thing would live on swamp person. It's not going to be like a weekly thing, but just like a little extra something to help people contextualize what's going on. Because this is like, unprecedented times that we live in and. And I do miss the precedented very much.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Who knew?

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

How. How. How much the precedent it had going for it, at least for certain people.

[Lindy West]

For reals.

[Andrew Walsh]

Luke and I have messed around with isolating content in the show because we like sports. So sometimes we would talk too much sports and folks would say, hey, could you keep that for the end of the show? So we call that no point conversion. I believe a guest or a listener came up with that, which is one of my favorite examples of any little mini project. And we did that for Game of Thrones and stuff too. If you want people to embrace your political conversations more, I would recommend spending a week going deep on like, Mariners bullpen decision, and then they will come racing back for the politics talk.

[Megan]

So we didn't get that deep, but during the Mariners playoffs run, which was. Still hurts me so Much so. So much. We talked about baseball a lot, like.

[Lindy West]

We did. Yeah, we did.

[Megan]

I was processing my baseball feelings, and Lindy was also there.

[Luke Burbank]

And like, says the who looks like she's waiting for her stepdad to pick her up and take her to the game. I'm talking about Lindy west right now.

[Lindy West]

I don't know if you can see what my hat says, though.

[Megan]

Does it say baseball? Oh, no, it says basketball. It says basketball.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Megan]

That's a different ball entirely.

[Luke Burbank]

Great look, by the way, Lindy, you.

[Megan]

Do look like you're about to go play T ball for, like. Yeah, Beacon Plumbing or something.

[Lindy West]

Yeah, exactly.

[Megan]

Anyways, and it went on for, like, two weeks, and then it was over. And then. But we got quite a few comments on Spotify and the other podcast platforms being like, okay, girl, I think we've heard enough about bbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

Fully turned into a baseball podcast for about one solid month. And I'm talking five days a week. Like it was. It was. Because, you know, when you do shows like this, you know, you're mostly just talking about whatever is happening in your life or whatever is occupying your mind at that time. And for. For me and Andrew, certainly, as the Mariners were, like, going through the playoffs, that was the only thing occupying our mind. So it's, like, very difficult to not, like, just end up talking about it every day for hours on end.

[Megan]

Do you feel that way about the Seahawks or did you give up NFL? Because I gave up NFL and now I'm being tested. Like, I've never been tested before because they're really. They're one game away from the Super Bowl.

[Luke Burbank]

Andrew. Andrew started low keying his NFL because he volunteers at a pop up that serves food and coffee to folks who are unhoused on Sunday. Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

How you like that, my friends?

[Luke Burbank]

Not all heroes wear capes. And so he kind of started, sort of stepped back, which actually was, like, very inspiring. And I then stepped forward to make up for him, and now I'm watching for two. I'm watching so hard.

[Andrew Walsh]

The other side of that coin is guess who already talked to his fellow volunteers and took this Sunday off of his volunteering gig so he can watch the championship.

[Megan]

I think I'm gonna watch. I'm a little bit scared. I'm really stressed. I. This is what we talked about on our show, at the risk of recreating this all over again on your show is I'm a really stressed sports watcher. I. I feel personally involved. I feel like the decisions I make on game day affect the outcome of the game. Like, am I wearing the right shirt? Am I wearing the right hat? Am I paying attention enough? Am I paying attention too much? Because if I get too excited, that will also potentially negatively impact the game. And I would like to share a memory from before I knew you, Luke. I remember Lindy text. I was living in. I think I was living. I must. I must have been living in D.C. at the time. And Lindy texted me and was like, oh, my friend invited me to the NFC championship game. I guess he has an extra ticket in this box. And I was like. And I was like, what? I was like, are you gonna go? And she's like, no, I don't care about that at all. And I was like. I was like, what? I. Meanwhile, I'm in my kitchen in my Richard Sherman jersey or whatever. And I was like, you have to. What the are you talking about? And she's like, yeah, my friend Luke. And I was like, who's Luke? He has an extra ticket. I was like, what time is the cat? Can I come? Can I fly five hours and get there in time? She's like, no, and I'm not gonna go either. I was like, well, did anyone take the ticket? She's like, I don't think so. And then it ended up being, like, one of the greatest football games ever played. Not just, like, in the history of the Seattle Seahawks, but potentially in the entire nfc. Lindsay. Jesus Christ. I think about it all the time.

[Luke Burbank]

Well. Well, actually, do you know? Do you know? And for the real heads, this will be a funny update. Do you know who did take one of the tickets? Daniel Savage.

[Megan]

Did he really?

[Luke Burbank]

Yep.

[Megan]

Wow, that's amazing.

[Luke Burbank]

It was literally like the. I think Alaska Airlines had this box, and I think that they. I think I was for the people that worked in their marketing department at the time, and I remain a very small micro celebrity, getting more micro as the years go on. But they were like, we need to try to get some local Seattle heat in our fancy box. We'll ask Luke, but we'll also, like, kind of let him know that we really need him to invite some people that are more famous than him. So I reached out to Lindy, Ken, Jen, who came. Dan Savage. I'm trying to remember who else. But it was a. It was a motley crew in.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let me check my messages. I can't remember from 2014. Not.

[Lindy West]

So you didn't invite me because you wanted to spend time with me as your friend.

[Megan]

Nobody wants to speak with you.

[Luke Burbank]

I really wanted to spend time with you, but I Also, I wanted to spend time with you as my friend and as a friend who would maybe tweet about it.

[Megan]

Hashtag add alaskaairpartners hashtag caught in the middle.

[Luke Burbank]

I was just, I was just. I was, I didn't. I was trying to keep Alaska Airlines happy. I was trying to get to see the game in the box.

[Lindy West]

I was.

[Luke Burbank]

Had a lot going on.

[Lindy West]

Was it fun? I don't. I. I have the vaguest memory of being.

[Megan]

Oh, this game.

[Luke Burbank]

This game it was. And text me backers, get ready to email in about how unrelatable this content is. But it was an extremely exciting end to the game that the Seahawks did win. If I remember right, we had a full life size cutout of Richard Sherman, the Seahawk. Like a cardboard cutout in the box for some reason which we then stole and walked through after the game. A totally jubilant crowd of people who were all just high fiving a cardboard Richard Sherman.

[Megan]

Well, for Lindy's. So for, for Lindy's awareness. Because you might not know Richard Sherman. Like I kind of single handedly saved the game for the Seahawks.

[Lindy West]

I vaguely remember this. Yeah.

[Megan]

I still have his post game interview memorized.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh yeah.

[Megan]

To get into that.

[Lindy West]

But don't you open your mouth. Let's hear it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, let's hear it. I want to hear it.

[Megan]

Don't open your mouth about the best lobby. Who was talking about you?

[Lindy West]

Crabtree.

[Megan]

Would you try me with a sorry receiver like Crabtree?

[Lindy West]

That's the result you're gonna get anyway.

[Megan]

I think about it all the time.

[Luke Burbank]

I can't believe your listeners don't want more of this. Megan, have you considered a third vertical which is just your Richard Sherman impressions? A power user of that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Did you.

[Megan]

You and Andrew would be my top.

[Luke Burbank]

And only subscribers and maybe Richard Sherman donors.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Luke, is this also the game where you ended up on Brock heward Shoulders at one point or I assume he didn't end up on yours.

[Luke Burbank]

That actually that might have been the same game. There was. It was a very tense season and there's a. A kind of a local Seattle sports guy. Brock, he was like a quarterback for the college team and now he's like a sports broadcaster, quite handsome. We were in one of those. Oh man, I got stories. One I asked his wife out in college when I didn't know that they were engaged. I sent her like she was in my geology class at the UW and I had a large crush on her. And I wouldn't probably do this now, but like the professor, it Was called Rocks for Jocks. And the professor sent out an email, but didn't know about BCC or like, you knew how to do, like, he sent an email to the whole class that had every single person's email address on it. And I found her email address and I sent her a message, respectfully, just said, hey, you know, I'm. And she was a basketball player for the UW too. And I was sort of like, hey, you know, I. I think you're swell. If you ever want to get a cup of coffee, let me know. Total crickets. And then like a week later you read.

[Andrew Walsh]

Aw, shucks.

[Luke Burbank]

I read in the UW Daily that, like, she and Brock Heward were engaged. And because he was also in the class, which I didn't think was related to that, her being there. But anyway, they got married. They have like 80 kids and they're they're all, you know, they're living their life in Issaquah, but Brock, I think.

[Andrew Walsh]

In Arizona now, by the way, I think they went to live free somewhere. Yes, sure.

[Luke Burbank]

But we. After one of these really exciting football games from that season that we're talking about, Brock and I were hugging and spinning in like a dervish. We were so excited. At the end of the game, his wedding ring flew off and you swallowed it. Went right into Dan Savage's mouth.

[Andrew Walsh]

It.

[Luke Burbank]

It could not. If I remember right, it could not be located for, I think maybe a while, maybe that night. And he had to go home to this gal who I had once tried to ask on a date and explain he had lost his. Exactly. Checkmate, Brock. He had to try to explain to her why he didn't have his wedding ring because he had been spinning around like a dervish with me, celebrating the Seahawks.

[Lindy West]

Somehow his wedding ring fell off.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Megan]

Well, anyway, that was my first memory of Luke Burbank, even though I didn't know you. But, you know, that's okay. I'll take that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Even though.

[Luke Burbank]

Even though Lindy turned down the request.

[Lindy West]

I honestly surprised that I did because even though I didn't care about football, I. I liked doing stuff back then.

[Megan]

I wasn't.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a fun thing. Well, if I ever get. How about this again? My star has really. I'm like an actual star. I burned out eight years ago. But the light hasn't reached the earth yet, so nobody knows it. But if I ever get another invite. Lindy and Megan and Andrew, you're on the list. This is the core group. Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

Jesus.

[Megan]

I've been waiting my whole life for this. Great.

[Lindy West]

This is the core group.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, speaking of power moves, can I just say something here? And I don't know that the listeners can see this or not, because you guys put this all on YouTube. Am I right about that? You're still doing that?

[Megan]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

This whole thing on YouTube.

[Megan]

We do.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't think our little title cards are going to show up on YouTube, but I'm just looking at the power dynamics here. Based on the names we entered, I see that we have a Lindy west and an Andrew Walsh full names proper. I think Megan is kind of like, I can just do one name. They know who I am. I'd be invited to the NFC Championship box. this point, Luke has labeled himself Luke Host. And I. I feel like that's a power move. What's going on with that? Are you the. Are you in charge here?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think there's any benefit to us dancing around the fact that I'm the host of this. I think it honestly insults all of us to pretend that it's otherwise. No, you know what? I think this speaks to my deep misunderstanding of the program that we're using Riverside because Andrew was in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago. And so I was like, I was. I was hosting the show, meaning also I was from a technical standpoint. And I think where it wanted me to put my name in, I thought was the part where I let it know that I'm supposed to be the person recording it. So I changed my name Luke Host to Luke Host unintentionally, but actually kind of has a nice ring to it.

[Megan]

I like it. You know what it reminds me of? As we were chatting after LiveWire and we were like, oh. Because we had kind of talked about maybe trying to get together in person to record something, and Luke was like, andrew can't do it. He's got something for. And it made me laugh and laugh. And then I was like, well, I've been wondering, like, who is the Luke and who is the Andrew of each? And it just fell into place so obviously, after Luke said this because, like, Luke and Lindy just want to record all the time. Never not recording. Megan and Andrew have something at 4.

[Luke Burbank]

Andrew does not want to record, in my opinion. But you had something going on that day, Andrew, that I think meant we needed to either record in the morning or not do it. Not do it.

[Megan]

Sorry if I'm bringing up.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I have no idea what it was.

[Megan]

No, it was just really funny because I was like, yeah, I can't do More than one thing in a day either. I'm. I'm good.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm looking at my calendar now. It was a nap.

[Luke Burbank]

Actually, that's not true. Don't, Don't. That's not fair. Because I am the napper in this relationship. Andrew is not.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've gotten more into naps, if we want to talk about this for a little bit, because I'd like to know your reaction to this. I'm more of a sleep in late person than a nap in the middle of the day. But I've been trying to incorporate both into my life lately and for naps. I have a rule, which is I'm allowed to nap if I don't turn onto my side. If I only sleep on my back. And because I'm a side sleeper when I really get into my sleep, you know, and so I'm like, if I just stay on my back, then it's a nap, but if I go to turn into fetal position, then I've gone too far and I've just got to sleep through the night.

[Lindy West]

I actually know exactly what you mean. It's like, you gotta keep it casual. Like, if you're on your back or even like 3/4 sitting up, you have plausible deniability that this was an accident.

[Megan]

Yes, I have that.

[Luke Burbank]

That's on my couch. The rule is I can't be fully reclined if I'm leaning back. And the other problem is I put this powder in my hair so that my hair looks less thin. It's called topic, but it's supposed to stick to your hair follicles with static cling. But a lot of it still comes off. And my couch cushion was getting covered in it. So I now have, like, a special blanket that I keep on this one couch cushion, but it's the one for your back. And I. I sit up kind of, but then I go to sleep. But it feels like you're both saying that if I'm not fully reclined, it's not. I'm not really sleeping, like a full nap. And that seems to be like, less lazy of me or something.

[Lindy West]

Yeah. Sometimes I will, like, leave on a particularly uncomfortable item of clothing.

[Megan]

So.

[Lindy West]

Because if I take it off, like, you know, remove a bra or like a pair of jeans, something that would make my nap way more comfortable than. It's too much like going to bed. I'm committing too hard and. And I'll actually get in my head about it to the point where I will nap better in the uncomfortable item than if I took it off. Because If I took it off, I start to feel guilty and I can't fall asleep.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is napping in shoes totally off the table for you? Are you a shoes off house?

[Luke Burbank]

Not at hotels. It's on the table at hotels. I just did it recently.

[Lindy West]

It would have to be. Not. It would have to be. Only if it was in public, like on a plane or in a. In a waiting room of some kind. Not if I'm in my own space.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I've napped in shoes. That's. That's another way that I'm keeping it. Cash, with the nap. Just leave the shoes.

[Lindy West]

Maybe if I was at someone else's house and they were like, I have to go do an hour long phone meeting or something, and they were a shoes on house. Yeah, okay.

[Megan]

I might.

[Lindy West]

I might lean myself over on the couch with my shoes still on. Not I would never put them on the couch, but like my feet still on the floor, but then my body kind of diagonally. Yeah, I could see that. And I would like it. And I. I like the thought of it.

[Luke Burbank]

I. I went to a party recently, Andrew, I meant to tell you about this. And I rolled up and for some reason I had decided I sort of bought these boots that I've been wearing lately that are pretty involved to lace up. I'm trying to mix it up from just my normal, like white sneakers look. And I got to this get together and I, to my horror, I hadn't even opened the door. This was at someone's house. I don't know particularly well. I looked through the little glass of the door and the first three people I saw did not have their shoes on. And this was very far from where I live. This was hours from where I live. And I just was like, I froze. And I thought, like, is it. Did anybody make me. Could I duck down and get out of here? And then I opened the door and realized some people had taken their shoes off out of courtesy and at least one person hadn't. And that was all I needed was to have one other person validating my decision. And so I. Shoes donned it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, we talk about this a lot on the show. And I'm not saying that I'm right about this or that I have any kind of justice to stand on, but, like, old. Now I'm like 49 and like increasingly sort of set in my ways and cranky and other things that people love about me and find attractive. And one of the things that I say now is like, if you live in a shoes off house where you Throw shoes off parties. Like, I don't want to say that you're wrong to do that in any way. Of course you're not. But I am going to straight up say, no, I don't go to shoes off parties anymore. Like, I'm just going to be honest about it. Like, I don't like socializing with my shoes off. You know, unless it was some sort of a beach blanket bingo kind of situation, which I don't see myself those either.

[Megan]

It's happening constantly, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. I did get your Evite.

[Luke Burbank]

Somebody raised a Funicello from the dead.

[Andrew Walsh]

But, like, I just feel like, well, listen, it might not make you like me anymore, but I'm just gonna. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna say I'm busy. I have something at 4. I'm just going to say, you know, I'm not really comfortable in that situation.

[Megan]

Are people putting that on invites?

[Andrew Walsh]

You have to know the people. You gotta.

[Megan]

You have to know. Oh, so any. At any moment, you have to visit.

[Luke Burbank]

Their house under the COVID of night weeks before the event and just do a little recon.

[Megan]

Yeah, I see they're wearing shoes. It's safe. Speaking of being grumpy, can I. Can I share a tiding? We don't have our song, but Lindy and I have tidings and mine's a real. Can we get Rooney up in here? Can we, like, evoke the spirit of Andy? Yeah. Not Sally.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I actually have some audio for that if you'd like. If you just give me one second here, I would. It might not be yours. We do a segment on my other podcast which is about TV commercials. It's called after these messages.

[Megan]

Do you let Andrew have other podcasts?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, this thing Luke host in Riverside is really just in title only. It comes with no actual power over Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sorry for all the cross promotion here, but we do a little segment on after these messages where I complain about things. We call it Andy's Corner.

[Luke Burbank]

And now a few minutes with Andy. Old man.

[Lindy West]

Look at my life.

[Luke Burbank]

I consider myself to be an absolutely dead center, normal, average American. It's my opinion that a great many women have one thing in common. They spend too much time and money fooling around with their hair. I don't use foul language and I don't like to hear anyone else use it either. It's a fancy bottle. I bet that bottle costs more than the water. When does a rainforest lose its virginity anyway?

[Andrew Walsh]

All right, you're in the clear.

[Lindy West]

Why did he say that?

[Andrew Walsh]

Going off about Virgin Rainforest.

[Megan]

Now I regret tying myself to the fate of Rooney, but can I just say one thing? By the way, I feel like Andy Rooney died. Parentheses, question mark and then they, and they. I feel like they never named a new national curmudgeon. Like they never, like, who is that? Can I, who I want to be that, who's gonna be the curmudgeon laureate of the United States now that he's been dead for question mark. Is he dead?

[Luke Burbank]

He is dead. Okay, he is dead. I, I, certainly not me. But what, what I, what I have done weirdly as a job thing is done these commentaries for CBS Sunday Morning which is kind of the like, you know, the, the beginning part of that like day of like CBS programming.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

And what I found out really fast from doing these commentaries and was that you become Andy Rooney so, so fast. Because what is an interesting take? It's not just like, hey, I had this the other day, it was really great. Yeah, you know what I mean? The only interesting take is like, what, what this, this is really grinding my gears. Or like I did one about, you want to hear more Rooney than Rooney? I just, this was when Twitch had been sold for like a billion dollars or something. I mean this is years and years ago, but I think it'd been sold maybe to Facebook or Meta or somebody. And I was like, I was, my mind was blown because I'd never been on Twitch. I didn't understand how big of a thing it was really going to be. I just knew it was a place you could like watch other people play video games. And an actual line in my commentary was like, that's like watching someone else's paint dry.

[Megan]

Can I say I know about this because when I was in Wisconsin for the holidays, my mother in law and I watched your CBS this morning about bagging your own groceries at the grocery store. I hate that too. I, I don't.

[Luke Burbank]

Isn't that Rooney though? I'm like, if they're gonna make us work there, we should get a discount.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I have the opposite. I know you're building towards something.

[Megan]

Laughed and laughed.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, she love. But I am the opposite. I push the baggers away. I try to do it as politely as possible, but I always just say no. You know, I got, I got it. And if they're like no, I'd like to help. I'm like, I got a system. I just have a system.

[Luke Burbank]

Andrew might be one of the world's great shopping, you know, grocery shopping bag fillers.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've gotten compliments. It's the Highest compliment you can get from the bagger. Yes, nice.

[Lindy West]

I will say I don't like doing it, and I'm not good at the bag filling necessarily. But I do have this, like, teacher's pet energy where because people are always bad at doing the self checkout, they're always breaking the machine and standing there motionless for hours on end, hovering over a. But, like. And I do. Every time I do it, I'm like, oh, look at me. Like, I. Like I'm showing off. Like, someone's going to be like, wow, she really knows how to work that machine.

[Megan]

Don't worry about me, Lindy. I have the pou number for bananas. Memorize 4011. Okay, but here's my. But here's my real one. Okay, so I had to go to downtown Washington on Sunday for an appointment, a salon appointment, to get my mustache waxed, okay? Just in full transparency. I drive down there thinking, this is not going to be a problem. It's Sunday, Okay, I'll just park somewhere on the street, and if not, I'll park in a parking garage. Perhaps you've heard of this invention. It's a garage where you can park your car. You know what I mean? So I drive down there. No street parking. I'm like, fine, backup plan. I'm gonna park this car in the parking garage. Also, I'm sorry that I drove. I should have just taken the train, but I didn't feel like doing that anyways, so. But all the parking garages are closed because none of the business boys needed to go to Washington D.C. on Sunday because it's a weekend and they don't work on weekends, you know? So only like three parking garages in the whole city were open. And I'm like, fine, I'll just go into one of them. So I drive into one. It wasn't a parking garage. It was the budget rent a car return. So I said, oh, no, this isn't a parking garage at all. Let me back up out of here.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, famously an easy thing to do. Rental car.

[Megan]

Yes. Where all of the cars are triple.

[Luke Burbank]

Parked and there are never weird spike teeth.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Embedded in the concrete.

[Megan]

It was amazing. And all the budget guys got to watch me do this, where I was like, have a good Sunday. And I drove off and I'm like, fine, whatever. So I like, I'll go around the block and go to the other one that I saw. But of course, every other street is one way. I had to go like seven blocks. And then I turned back around and I drive back down the Street. I'm like, okay, I'm locked in. I'm gonna go into the parking garage. I go to the second one, and it just doesn't work. It's not giving out tickets. Everybody's calling the. Pressing the phone button for assistance, and the person's just going, no, no. And so we all are leaving. So I'm like, fine, I'll go around the block again. Again, it's a whole. Because of the one way street situation. So then I. I'm like, okay, I think I saw another one. I'm gonna try to go into that one. And I remember there was a sign that said, just drive in. And I thought that was weird because what else would you do?

[Lindy West]

What do you mean, what else would you do?

[Megan]

What do you mean, just drive in? What was my. What was the alternative? What's. What. What are they doing at the other parking garages? If not just driving in? But whatever, it's fine. At least I know it's open. So I go around the block and I go in. I just drive in. And as I drive in, the parking attendant runs out and he's waving his.

[Lindy West]

Hands like, hey, hey, hey.

[Megan]

And I was like, there's.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, there's no on demand abortion.

[Megan]

Yeah. I was like, what's happening? And then he's like, because there's no gate, there's no ticket to be seen. Okay, just drive in, they say. So I just drove in. He didn't like that. And he's waving his arms dramatically on the ramp, like, ma'. Am. And I was like, oh, my God. What the. So I rolled out my window. And I'm like, yes. And he's like, did you want to park here? And I said, yeah, I did. And he's like, okay, well, you have to pay with your phone. And I said, great. And I look up and I see there's signs everywhere with the QR code. I'm like, fine. I'm a veteran of the QR Wards. Code wars. QR Code wars, they call them.

[Luke Burbank]

You may now board the airplane first.

[Megan]

I got the joke off anyways, so I'm like, I'll just scan the QR code. That's what the signs are here for. No, no Nespa. Okay. And I'm like. He's like, yeah, you got to pay on your phone. I was like, okay. And I'm like, go to drive. And he's like, you have to give me your phone number. I was like, okay. So I give him my phone numbers, like, because I'm going to text you the link. Then you got to click the link, and then you have to make an account. And he's. And he's like standing right next to my car with his little iPad, texting me the link. And then I got to click the link and I'm making a whole account. I have to enter in my debit card. He's like, like. He's like. And then, and then I say. And as I'm saying it, I could feel myself morphing like the Michael Jackson black and white video into Andy Rooney. And I say to him, seems like we should have just kept the ticket system. And he says nothing. He doesn't acknowledge my bitch ass at all. And I finally set up the thing and I was like, am I good? He's like, yeah, you're good. I go in. I could have done all of that from the QR code. I didn't need to be involved with him at all. And I just was sitting there thinking, in what way is that an improvement over the gate and the ticket system? This was the worst of both worlds because now I gotta do the QR code thing, but with an assistant, like, with a helper while he stands by my car for an extra seven minutes. Now the parking garage has to pay this guy for doing. For being a human QR code. Just get. Bring back the gate and the tick. What the. Here's the worst part. I go and I drive down and there's no parking, that all of the spots are blocked off. So I drive all the way down to P3 and I'm thinking, big whoop. I'll just take the elevator up. There is no elevator. I had to walk. Walk up four flights of stairs into some random lobby and walk out. And I. And as the door was closing behind me, I'm thinking, I hope I'm never.

[Luke Burbank]

Getting that car back.

[Megan]

I just thought, I hope I can get back in that lobby because it's like a. A business lobby to a corporate building. I go to my appointment, I come back, they don't let me back in the lobby. They don't let me back into the lobby at all. The guy just looks at me like, hello, may I help you? And I was like, I guess he's.

[Luke Burbank]

Like a lady did come through her earlier with a mustache, totally different.

[Megan]

Do you know her? So I had to walk down the ramp exposed, got my car. And then it says, says, just drive out. We'll just charge you. Just drive out. So I just drove out. I'm waiting for, by the way, for this man to chase me. Out to the road, demand that I just drive out with him involved. But he did it. Then I get my receipt and for. For less than 30 minutes of parking in this hellhole of a parking garage. $13.

[Luke Burbank]

Geez.

[Megan]

I just would like to complain about that. Bring back the gate and the ticket or let me use the QR code without having to interact with other human beings. Pick one.

[Luke Burbank]

I can't believe that guy really worked for the parking garage. Yeah, I thought where the story was going was this was a scam or.

[Lindy West]

He just wanted your number.

[Megan]

Hello? Well, he was wearing a uniform and he apparently had the key to the parking garage. He opened it.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I thought you were just driving in like that used to be the hustle in like Seattle too, right? At those, like, diamond parking lots and stuff. You'd have a lot of folks that would kind of run up to you. They'd get a little blue jacket and then they'd come up and collect your money when you were parking. And they didn't work there.

[Megan]

Oh, I've never heard of that.

[Luke Burbank]

I found to be kind of so smart. A kind of a. A really smart and kind of like a charming old school scale.

[Megan]

I like that.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, I kind of. Yeah, I kind of was into it.

[Megan]

If I got got by that, I'd be like, nice, right? Yeah, that's good. That's. Yeah.

[Lindy West]

Especially if they put a little work into it and made a whole backstory and they were like, buongiorno, Antonio from the parking company.

[Megan]

From the amante parking G. Exactly. I mean, who's going to pay for the uniforms if not us rubes? You know what I mean? So anyway, so I just wanted to complain about that because I've been mad about it for three days.

[Luke Burbank]

Your upper lip looks flawless, though. I just want to tell everyone who's listening to this as an audio only product. So at least it was worth it.

[Megan]

It was.

[Lindy West]

Megan, I want to say I love your new. I love this pitch for you to be the new Andy Rooney. Thank you, America. Mandy Rooney, maybe. And I. It occurred to me while you were talking that I think there's a role for me as. Because you know who else has not been replaced is. Is Willard Scott. Who's celebrating? The old people.

[Megan]

Oh my God, that's so true. Every now and again, only will a representative of Smuckers appear on the Today show set to be like, here's an old guy. We used to get that every day.

[Lindy West]

I was.

[Megan]

What happened?

[Lindy West]

I was getting updates on. I knew every old person in this country when I When I was a kid, yes, I could name them all. Like they were like Pokemon and now.

[Megan]

I have no clue what they're getting up to. No. What happened to my 97 year old Bulbasaur?

[Luke Burbank]

Andrew, you have gotten into. Or at least around Thanksgiving you were playing old Macy's parades and they had Willard Scott in them still, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's one of my things. I didn't really grow up watching the parades that much, so it's not even that. Like the parade itself isn't a nostalgia hit for me, but the commercials certainly are. I'm kind of obsessed with, with commercials and also just anything that makes me feel like a safe little boy again. So instead of watching. And first of all, I also like to sleep late. So I'm not catching any of the actual live Thanksgiving Day parades. But I will dial up on YouTube, they have the full things like 90 minutes, two hours or whatever. Just choose one from the 80s and then watch all of the tie ins for the toys, the toy commercials with the floats, the teenage music, Mutant Ninja Turtles, the Masters of the universe type of stuff. It's wonderful.

[Lindy West]

Andrew, I. I didn't realize you were a commercial enthusiast. Have I ever told you about my. That I'm advertising royalty?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, it's true.

[Luke Burbank]

What?

[Megan]

It's true.

[Lindy West]

My father was an ad copywriter and he wrote. I hope that this is going to ring a bell with you. He wrote those Bartles and James commercials with the two old guys where one of them talks and one of them doesn't talk.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hell yes.

[Luke Burbank]

That was your dad.

[Megan]

Yeah. She's got a life, guys. Cut out of the B and J guys.

[Lindy West]

Frank and Ed.

[Luke Burbank]

Was it like McCann Erickson or. Where was he at in Seattle?

[Lindy West]

No, it was. It was in la. We lived in LA when I was little at a Daily and Associates. Was that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that's a big national campaign. I was like surprised that that was being handled at a little old Seattle.

[Lindy West]

No, no. And although he did.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you go. No, you go ahead, please.

[Lindy West]

Oh, he did do some. So we lived in LA for me when I was 4 to 8. So before that he did local stuff in Seattle. I believe he came up with the slogan for Washington Mutual, a friend of the family.

[Megan]

Oh, good.

[Lindy West]

He did also dress up as the creature from the Black Lagoon and play the piano on a float in Elliott Bay to advert. To advertise Ivers.

[Megan]

That's really good.

[Luke Burbank]

Can I think Clam?

[Lindy West]

Did he.

[Luke Burbank]

What did he. Did he write Keep Clam? Which I believe was the Ivers, the big Ivers.

[Megan]

Keep Clam is really good.

[Lindy West]

I've never heard him brag about that. So I don't know for sure. And now he gone. But I. I could ask my mom.

[Megan]

My favorite Paul west local hit is the Bob Byers Volvo jingle, which is just Bob Byers Volvo. And just the way he sings, it's very jazzy.

[Lindy West]

Yeah, because he would.

[Megan]

He.

[Lindy West]

He was a copywriter, but he was also a voice talent. And he would write. He was a musician, so he would write jingles, he would record the jingle, and he would do the radio ad.

[Luke Burbank]

So was that super cool for you as a kid, Lynn, to hear, you know, kind of, you know, around Seattle I would be so stoked about. I just wanted my dad to get in the back page of Sign Maker magazine. And it didn't happen. Like, I would have been so geeked if I were you.

[Lindy West]

It was really cool and nobody cared. But I was like, hey. I was like, you know on. When you're listening to cube 93 and then all of a sudden there's a commercial that tells you to recycle, and then a guy goes, recycling. It's easy. That's my dad. And everyone was like, I don't like.

[Luke Burbank]

Is anybody familiar with tradition to depend on? Depend on Yonker. Nissan.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nissan. Remind me this, because I get these things conflated. I definitely remember the old guys. What are their names? Ed and what on the porch?

[Lindy West]

Frank.

[Andrew Walsh]

Ed and Frank. Frank and Ed. But also you had Bruce Willis advertising.

[Luke Burbank]

A similar Seagram's golden wine coolers.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was Seagram's. Okay, so it was not the same brand. So your dad was competing with Bruce Willis in a certain way?

[Lindy West]

I guess so.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Lindy West]

Yeah. And he never recovered. That's why he died.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, you know what? I'm sorry I brought it up.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what?

[Megan]

What?

[Luke Burbank]

He took a chunk out of Bruce Willis too.

[Megan]

Bruce Willis is having a rough go of it as well, so, you know.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure is. Those commercials, we were really obsessed in the early days of TBTL with the era where we were letting Bruce Willis's band just run amok.

[Megan]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

We were just treating it like it was a real thing.

[Megan]

And everyone, Everyone was acting like it was not only normal, but great.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Megan]

Are you insane? Like, oh, look. Oh, great news, everyone. Bruce Willis is here with his harmonica. And then the crowd would go, ah, yeah, yeah. So I was so hoping Bruce Willis would show up with his harmonica and do whatever the fuck it is he does with it. It was so weird. Listen, it was mental illness.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm sorry to both As a man, cut you off and correct you. But I believe that was Bruno who was playing.

[Megan]

Don't even get me started on Bruno, because he was it. Didn't he have a whole album that was like, the Life and Times of Bruno like that?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, God.

[Megan]

Why would you say Bruno to me? I'm so unsettled at the memory of that. Oh, my God. He, I want to say, has a cover of an. One of the best songs ever written, Respect Yourself by the Staples Singers. And it's hideous.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow.

[Megan]

And I want to say that it charted what is wrong with what. What was going on. Ronald Reagan was putting drugs in the water, and everyone was like, let Bruno live. Let him cook.

[Luke Burbank]

I think the reason that you're also slightly confused, Andrew, is because his products, Bartles and James and Seagram's close together. But then the commercials. The Bartles and James guys are often on their front porch, right. Or they're kind of wraparound and in the Seagram's. Seagram's golden wine coolers. Bruce Willis starts out in a bar, and I believe the music is flowing through him with such vigor that he ends up outside on a porch.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Doing a whole shuffle. Like it's. They were. They were like. The commercials were very visually close, except some of them were good. The ones Lindy's dad made. Some of them were bad. The ones that had Bruno in them. That's right.

[Megan]

By the way, the name of the album was. Is the Return of Bruno. And on the COVID he's got his arms crossed and he's smirking like, yeah, Return to Bruno. Just like you've all been clamoring for.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

When is Bruno gonna return? Waiting. Waiting for Bruno. Right.

[Megan]

Fingers crossed. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And we have a show title. I don't know about you.

[Luke Burbank]

How do we represent that? I said Bruno, like, goodo.

[Lindy West]

A T on the end.

[Luke Burbank]

Put a T on the end.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow.

[Luke Burbank]

Lindy, who's a professional writer?

[Megan]

Bruno.

[Lindy West]

Oh, speaking of me being a professional writer, I have a segue into my tidings. Go on. I've written a book. Oh, yeah? I've written book number four of mine. I've written four books. Is it four?

[Megan]

I thought we were on five. Well, that's so wonderful.

[Lindy West]

It's five if you count the. The little book the Stranger staff made in. I don't. Yeah, I've written my four. Fourth solo book. It's called Adult Braces. It's coming out March 10th. But this is neither here nor there. I mean, it's here. It's here in that. You Should. Here you go. It's time to click on the pre order link.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely.

[Lindy West]

Pre orders. Very important for authors to get on lists that cause other people to buy our books, apparently. Please pre order my book. It's called Adult Braces. Thank you. But in.

[Megan]

In the lead up to the book.

[Lindy West]

Coming out, I have to do something called learn how to be an influencer so that I can. Because that's the only way you can get the information to the people, especially to the young people.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Should have come to that Seahawks game with me.

[Lindy West]

Dude, I. I regret it every day. I didn't remember about it at all. But now that I've been reminded, I'm retroactively ruing the day. But I. Okay, so I have been making makeup tutorial videos. I've been making Get Ready with me videos. I've been doing story time.

[Megan]

I. I'm.

[Lindy West]

I'm doing it all. I'm about to start. I make. I'm gonna make.

[Megan]

Oh, what.

[Lindy West]

Which chapter of my book are you based on your zodiac sign or whatever.

[Megan]

Oh, nice.

[Lindy West]

I'm going. I'm getting in there and I'm doing the work. And you know, actually, let me tell you, they're not lying. I made a trail. A book trailer. A three part book trailer. I posted the first one on Monday. Instant4,000 new followers. Which could be fake. But I was like, I don't think so. I don't think so. I was like, oh, it really. They. They like it when you make the content.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Lindy West]

It rewards you. So now I'm hooked on the attention. And one of the things I'm gonna. One of the upcoming videos I'm gonna make. And here's where my tiding comes in. And that's also slightly a game. I'm gonna do fantasy casting for the adult braces movie slash TV show. So I. I need help deciding who's playing me. And I was. And I think we could do. Since its fantasy. It could be anyone alive or dead.

[Megan]

And.

[Lindy West]

Also we could. Since it's fantasy, we could pretend the three of you are in air in the book you're not, but we could pretend you are.

[Luke Burbank]

What I gotta do to get in one of your books?

[Lindy West]

Well, you could marry me and then decide you want to be polyamorous.

[Megan]

Your thoughts?

[Luke Burbank]

I floated that.

[Megan]

That's what I was asking you to the NFC championship game for.

[Lindy West]

God damn it.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Lindy West]

No, but any. If you guys wanna. So here's what I was thinking for myself.

[Megan]

I just.

[Lindy West]

I need help. I need this to be. I need this to Go viral. I was thinking Margot Robbie in a fat suit for me.

[Megan]

Yeah. Or cgi. Or cgi.

[Lindy West]

Or cgi. Or Chris Farley.

[Luke Burbank]

We could do that would be. That would be non traditional casting.

[Megan]

Yep.

[Lindy West]

Yeah. Anyway, anyone have any other ideas I could do? Maybe like the fairy godmother from Disney? Cinderella.

[Megan]

You might want to think about somebody who's just has a lot of buzz right now. And one person is that girl Odessa Asian, who is everywhere. I can't name a single thing she's in, but she's on in all of my bloods. Every single time.

[Luke Burbank]

You know a single thing that her mom was in.

[Megan]

I know a single thing her mom was in. But I then she like changed her name to be sneaky so that no.

[Luke Burbank]

One would know she's last name.

[Megan]

Well, but it's like a combo because the A is from Adwan, from Pamela.

[Lindy West]

Is that the girl who. She has the curly hair?

[Megan]

Yes.

[Lindy West]

And everyone's like she's doing blackface kind of. Yes.

[Megan]

Even though I think she's just Mediterranean.

[Lindy West]

Yeah. Because I've been wondering who that is.

[Luke Burbank]

Marty Supreme.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Lindy West]

Oh, I haven't seen it.

[Luke Burbank]

And her mom is Bobby Hill.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Her mom is the voice of Bobby, of course.

[Lindy West]

Pamela Adlon, the legend.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Lindy West]

Well, okay, so maybe how about.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, do you know who Brittany Broski is?

[Megan]

Yeah, that's another good one.

[Lindy West]

That's a good one.

[Luke Burbank]

Also, she's really funny.

[Megan]

She's really so funny.

[Lindy West]

I mean a very flattering to me to be compared.

[Megan]

What about Zendaya?

[Lindy West]

Zendaya, Is she available? What about Timmy Chalamet?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, he could do it.

[Luke Burbank]

Method acting.

[Megan]

Meryl Streep, one of the best.

[Luke Burbank]

He's got to move to the Olympic Peninsula for two years.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Lindy West]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Inhabit the role of Lindy West.

[Megan]

Okay, how about this? Meryl Streep as Lindy Martin Short as Ahom.

[Lindy West]

Love it, love it.

[Megan]

And for Megan, can we cast Teyana Taylor? We don't have anything in common. I just am obsessed with her. She's so beautiful.

[Luke Burbank]

Have you seen the Teyana Taylor, my sweet 16 though. And how do you feel about that?

[Megan]

I've seen clips that that's what a wild. What a character arc she's had.

[Luke Burbank]

She must have been. I would have never thought. First I didn't know anything about her sort of growing up years before she was acting and everything, but like. Yeah, the fact that she clearly grew up in a family that had the means to do like an over the top sweet 16. And then I'm sure this is MTV making her act extra demanding. That's the premise of the show. But then that person who's kind of like, like really has very specific ideas about their super sweet 16 ends up being a phenomenal actor.

[Megan]

I know.

[Luke Burbank]

That's the part that's shocking to me.

[Megan]

She's had such a character arc to go from. I mean, I've never heard of such a thing. For someone to go. Well, I mean, I guess in a sense the first person who came to mind was like, Jennifer Lawrence was on not Larry the Cable Guy, but one of the other rednecks.

[Luke Burbank]

Theo Vaughn was on Road Rules, the Gauntlet.

[Megan]

Yes. And Sean Duffy was on Real World regular. But anyways, like, Jennifer Lawrence went from one of the rednecks sitcoms to winning an Oscar. So like, that's kind of weird too. You never know what people get up to, you know? And apparently, by the way, apparently Brie Larson was a pop star and now she's a respected actress. It's so strange what they want us to forget about their pasts.

[Luke Burbank]

Lindy, are you. Lindy, are you filming all of your influencer videos, posts, whatever. Either sitting in your car or eating a bag of something. Because this seems to be exceedingly popular in my feed.

[Lindy West]

Yeah, yeah. I'm also doing a lot. Yeah. I sit in my car, I get like a McDonald's cheeseburger.

[Luke Burbank]

Nice.

[Lindy West]

I take a bite, I go, wait, wait, why is this. Actually, why is this Loki fire? That's most of what I do.

[Megan]

Is Grimace available to play you? Oh, good idea.

[Lindy West]

Okay.

[Megan]

And I want the Hamburglar to play me.

[Lindy West]

I'm. Okay. Wait, who was I a minute ago? I'm Meryl Streep in the Grimace suit.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Lindy West]

Aham's Martin Short. Zendaya is Roya.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Lindy West]

Megan, is Teyana Taylor in the Hamburglar out?

[Megan]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Lindy West]

Luke. I guess I'm. I'm hearing Jennifer Lawrence.

[Megan]

Sure.

[Luke Burbank]

I love it.

[Lindy West]

Drew is Timmy Chalamet.

[Megan]

Yeah. Well, that's that solved.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not the first time I've heard that.

[Lindy West]

That's. And that's the cast of Timidal of the Dog Colon, the movie Colon.

[Megan]

A pre order adult braces everywhere. You get your books?

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. I. They say don't judge a book by the COVID but I haven't had a chance to read the book, but I have seen the COVID and it is a phenomenal cover and it makes me.

[Megan]

Want to read the book.

[Lindy West]

It's a really good cover.

[Andrew Walsh]

Really, really good.

[Lindy West]

Possibly the best book cover ever made, I think, is what.

[Megan]

Who's the artist who did that what I'm hearing.

[Lindy West]

Her name is Sarah Deck, D, E, C, K. And she is incredible. I didn't meet her or talk to her, but I. Yeah, my publisher sent me a couple of options, and I was like, oh, I like her. And. And then just. And then it's also.

[Megan]

The.

[Lindy West]

The portrait of me is based on a photograph of me that Jenny Jimenez took, who is my friend who also photographed Megan's wedding and my wedding.

[Megan]

She sure did. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I saw.

[Megan]

I won Jenny Jimenez in a. Oh, sorry.

[Andrew Walsh]

Go ahead.

[Megan]

I was just gonna say I won Jenny Jimenez in an. In a charity auction. She took all my pictures. Yeah. And then she took a bunch of my other friends pictures too. So I'm very happy to. To have met her.

[Andrew Walsh]

Those ones that you published in your newsletter were amazing. Your guys's newsletter is so good. Obviously.

[Megan]

Thank you. Well, it was your idea.

[Lindy West]

It was your idea.

[Megan]

It was TPTL's idea. You were. You guys were like, oh, we do this. You guys should do this too. And we're like, okay, we'll just copy you guys.

[Lindy West]

Yeah.

[Megan]

And we did a pledge drive.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, but how was I supposed to know you could write so well?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And don't copy us. To the degree that no one who has Gmail can get your newsletter anymore, because that's the current status of the TBT newsletter of the American public can currently receive it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Three newsletters ago, I accidentally included a link that was. That was fine, but for some reason was flagged by the Internet police, and now I am flagged by the Internet police, at least on the Gmail side of things. And every time I send out a newsletter, it's going directly to people's spam folders. And not just that. It is saying that, like, you cannot trust this person. This sender. It literally says, this sender has attempted to grab people's personal information, which is absolutely untrue if you have an iPhone, which I don't, but I have friends who do. Showed me what it looks like. Next to my name is a logo with a little fishing hook.

[Megan]

Devastating.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. So I'm not gonna find it anymore.

[Lindy West]

They said you're Tiana Taylor dressed up as a Hamburglar.

[Luke Burbank]

Burgle some personal data.

[Megan]

You're the Italian trying to steal my money at the diamante parking lot.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I thought that was your Irish accents you guys were doing.

[Megan]

Oh, I don't know. Oh, no. Oh, girl. No, no.

[Luke Burbank]

So that was. And that was Andrew. Was that your tidings?

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure, I guess.

[Luke Burbank]

So you're the Internet's Number one.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nobody trusts me. I'm actually excited. Are you trying to get into what you've brought to the table, Luke? Because we need to talk about this. I've been having this conversation with you in my head for two days.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, here's the question. I don't know what Megan and Lindy's timeline is. It's different time back there in Washington, District of Columbia, so we have a few different directions we can go. And I want to just please give everyone options, please. One is Hat Talk, because there's been a couple of different. I worry that this one, because there's audio and we'll all have thoughts. There's a lot to say about that. That's the long version. The short version is we could talk about the fact that people are doing Snake Yoga in Portland.

[Lindy West]

I just read about that. I just read about that.

[Luke Burbank]

And the third option is that we could all just call it. Call it a day.

[Megan]

No, I'd like to. I'd love to keep chatting. I have a thought about Rob Lowe's hat interview. But. But it sounds like. But I don't know. I feel like maybe Snake Yoga is more spiritually connected to our show.

[Lindy West]

Lindy, I've been wearing a hat.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Megan]

For an hour and a half.

[Luke Burbank]

We're talking.

[Megan]

Ha.

[Luke Burbank]

A little segment that we like to call Hats Entertainment, Once again, raising the question, will an instrumental version of the Judy Garland song that's Entertainment get us pulled down in parts of Eastern Europe?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Does it contain enough of the DNA of the real song to get us in trouble and further besmirch Andrew's good name on the Internet? So. So for many years, Andrew and I have been referencing. Maybe not many years, but for kind of a good while, we've been referencing this photo of Rob Lowe at an NFL game where he's wearing a hat that just says NFL.

[Megan]

It's the best.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just so beautiful, and it so kind of scans with the way that I am. I did once sit at the Alaska Airlines lounge next to Rob Lowe and his wife. They seemed very nice and normal. I didn't talk to them or bother them, but I will just admit to not having a strong sense of, like, what Rob Lowe's personality is like outside of him doing the Adkins, the commercials for, like, Atkins shakes and stuff, which kind of doesn't make me think he has a good personality. It kind of makes me think he's just like a kind of a. Like a weird creation of trying to stay skinny and, like, have taught skin or whatever. Like, I have all these preconceived ideas about Rob Lowe, and they were confirmed when I saw him wearing a hat that said NFL at a game. And, like, who's wearing a hat that just says NFL? And that has become memeified now, you know, to represent, like, a person who is not very committed to anything, you know, who has no backbone and who doesn't have any real rooting interest is just there. I'm gonna, I'm not gonna tell the listeners that Lindy just pointed at herself because you do have a backbone, my friend.

[Lindy West]

I do, but I'm non committal and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that is true. Well, Rob Lowe was on Rich Eisen's show and was, like, asked. But this Rich Eisen show, I really, like, actually, like, it's one of the last bastions of kind of, I don't know, when sports, when you didn't have to yell as much when it was like, the takes were not quite as hot, which was fine for me. The takes are too spicy. I have a very sensitive mouth area that can't take the spiciest of takes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

So Rich Eisen was asking him, like, about this hat situation, this NFL hat, and this was Rob Lowe's. Let me get a little volume going here. This was Rob Lowe's answer.

[Andrew Walsh]

What is the story behind that?

[Luke Burbank]

The hat was. They gave me a choice of hats to wear. I was at the game so they could. It was a FOX game.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, sir.

[Luke Burbank]

I had a show premiering on Fox. So they were like, would you go for promotion? We'll cut to you in the audience. Okay. And so they're like, here's a hat. And they were all like these loud, half one team on one side and half the other team on the other. And like, super. This, by the way, was when Rob Lowe really started to win me over.

[Megan]

Yes, me too. Me too. I can't wait to talk.

[Luke Burbank]

You know that, Megan, that era of those, like, crazy hats kind of like, maybe, I don't know, late 90s or something.

[Megan]

Yeah, I, I, he started to win me over because he's gonna say the best part in a second. But, like, to me, like, what you just described about this NFL hat is like somebody who's like, doesn't really believe in anything, and it kind of gives the vibe of, I guess I just hope everyone has a nice time. But in my opinion, wearing a hat with two teams mashed up is worse. That's that guy. More than if you just wore the NFL hat. Like, that would have been disgusting, and he would have been memified in some other, more rotten way. So I would just like to foreshadow that I think he made the right call.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Megan]

If we're gonna play the rest of the audio.

[Luke Burbank]

We are.

[Megan]

Okay, great. But this is where I. Because I just started to think, like, I was like you, Luke. Where I was like, I. The. The main thing I know about Roblo's personality is that he wore the NFL hat. And I thought. And I thought he did that because that was the type of person that he is.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what I mean? So it.

[Megan]

It.

[Luke Burbank]

I think it confirmed all of our priors on who we thought.

[Lindy West]

Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, here's my Roblox.

[Andrew Walsh]

We're busy.

[Luke Burbank]

And, like, those special game hats are just bad.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And then there's this one simple NFL hat, which I'd never seen before. I'd never seen that hat before. I'd never seen that hat before. Usually, I. I don't normally. Normally when you see something like that, it's the ref, right? And it's white.

[Andrew Walsh]

And it's white.

[Luke Burbank]

And I'm like, oh, that looks like a. I'm definitely gonna wear that simple thing. Damn straight. And. And people, it's become a meme of someone who. Who is agnostic to everything. If you're just like, hey, go teams, go teams. What game was that, by the way? And this is another thing, too. Rob Lowe remembers what the game was, which is kind of like. Again, it also means he was conscious of what was happening around him, you know, like, not just, like, I don't know, his two teams. It was like, he knows who the teams were and stuff. And then later, Rich Eisen asks if, like, if. If he can have the hat. And. And Rob Lowe is like, no, I'm giving to the Smithsonian.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

This is really, really forcing me to rethink my thoughts about Rob Low.

[Lindy West]

He does seem like the kind of guy who might have that Mary Lou Henner thing where he, like, remembers everything that's ever happened to him.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that came up on TV till, like, two weeks ago.

[Lindy West]

Oh, really? I think about it all the time.

[Megan]

Well, he. I. I think. I think what's interesting about it is, like, one of the reasons I think the meme was so popular and so successful as a meme is that he really seemed like the kind of guy who doesn't really give a. About football. He's there because somebody asked him to be there, and he wore an NFL hat, and he's standing there kind of Almost robotic in the photo. And it's just a still photo, so who knows how animated he was before, after somebody took that screen grab. But then for him to be like, I remember exactly who was there. I was having a great time. It was like, I. I think it was like the 49ers and somebody else. It was like a champ, a playoff game. And he, like, remembers it. He's like, I was having a great time. I don't want to wear an ugly hat. And I'm like, who is this person? Like, I thought that you did that because you are agnostic about everything. Go, teams. I thought that.

[Luke Burbank]

Think about his character on Parks and Rec. I don't know if y' all watch a lot of Parks and Rec, but it's like, comedically, he's very much leaned into the. I think, the idea of how. Who we all think he is. And it's wild to me to think that Rob Lowe may have been at least a little bit in on the joke.

[Megan]

I. That really blew my mind. And then at the end, when Rich Eisen asked for the hat, and he was like, what? No, this is like, my greatest contribute. Contribution to society is this hat meme. It's so funny. I want to get. I'm going to give it to the Smithsonian. And then he's like. Offers to lend it, like. Like a museum. He'll lend it to Rich Eisen. And Rich Eisen wants to put it next to the cell phones from Wall street or whatever. And I was like, don't disrespect the hat like that. And then also, there's, like, this interesting part where Rich Eisen's like, will you sign it? And he's like, well, I don't. I mean, can I? He's like, I'll sign the inside, but I don't want it to be on the outside. That would ruin the hat.

[Andrew Walsh]

And he said it would ruin the look. Yes. Yeah.

[Megan]

Like, ruin the whole point of the hat, which is that it's nothing.

[Andrew Walsh]

That it's not busy. Exactly. I can't think of a. So I. I hadn't had the chance to talk to anybody about this. Three of us. And, Lindy, I don't know. How are you in on this as well? You were familiar with the whole thing.

[Luke Burbank]

The NBA gave her that hat that says basketball.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I. Yeah, this is.

[Lindy West]

So much more appropriate than I even realized.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

I donned this blank hat that we got. It was supposed to say TBTL on it, but I got a blank one, so I love that.

[Megan]

Oh, now everyone is wearing a hat.

[Andrew Walsh]

I can't think of a better story or another example of such Internet redemption. Like, that thing was so omnipresent, it became the first thing, as one of you already said, the first thing I thought of when I thought of Rob Lowe. And I found this 90 second clip so damn relatable immediately. We've all had this. I don't know how far this will range as it makes the rounds. Oh, what are you doing up there? What do you got?

[Megan]

I went and got my little hat.

[Luke Burbank]

Is it a tiny husky hat or a tiny Washington D.C. hat?

[Megan]

I would like to tell you the unfortunate tale which is. Well, for. First of all, it is a little hat that you put your ice cream in. You get your little sundae in it at the game. And I live in Washington, so occasionally I go to Nationals games. We lost the hat, but the hat fell. And I root for them if I have to, but they're a National League team, so usually there's no crossover between the Mariners and the Nationals, so I will occasionally support the Gnats. And I got this little ice cream sundae, tiny batting helmet. And so that's the hat I'm wearing.

[Luke Burbank]

Was it ice cream or was it dippin dots in there?

[Megan]

It was absolutely ice cream. You know, we don't mess around with dipin dots.

[Luke Burbank]

How God intended it.

[Megan]

Yeah, exactly. Sorry to interrupt.

[Luke Burbank]

So the other story in Hat News today is, or as it's called Sometimes Hats Entertainment, involves Billy Bob Thornton and his particularly unique look. And we on this show have really. We really disliked Billy Bob Thorton and his work for years and years, ever since he yelled at that one Canadian radio host John Gi, which who had.

[Megan]

His own, but then he got canceled. Yeah, true.

[Luke Burbank]

I believe those were unrelated events.

[Megan]

Well, we don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

Two people can be bad.

[Megan]

Billy Bob had an ax to grind.

[Luke Burbank]

But, like. Yeah, right. Maybe he knew something. But, like, you know, that. That. That the interview went viral where, like, Billy Bob Thornton wanted to just talk about his band. I believe they're called the Boxmasters.

[Megan]

Oh, Jesus.

[Luke Burbank]

And, like, not talk about his acting career. And this guy interviewing him on the CBC made the mistake of, in a very, if I remember right, pretty delicate way, trying to, like, you know, mention the fact that, like, this guy who's in here with this band that nobody's heard of is also turns out a person who won an Oscar for acting or whatever. And he went off on him, and that was like. That didn't win him any points with us. And then also just his kind of so, you know, again, it's like you start off with this particular idea of this person being totally humorless about themselves and just kind of like somebody I'm not a huge fan of necessarily. And then you see the getup that he wears oftentimes in public. Like this hat situation where he's got like a kind of a. It'll be like a beanie sometimes or like a tighter, you know, not like a do rag, but like something kind of small and more low profile. And then he'll have this big like hat felt hat kind of sitting like sort of jauntily on top of it. And he's got these loops in his ears. It's just like a whole situation. So every time I see that, it just makes me. I mean, this was before he started starring in these really ridiculous cell phone commercials that Andrew and I love to make fun of.

[Megan]

Can I say something about that, please, really quick?

[Luke Burbank]

I'm so sorry.

[Megan]

First of all, I feel like like Trump won an election with the slimmest margin like in American history. Right. And as a result, all media has been redirected towards whatever the. That is like whatever. The Yellowstone.

[Luke Burbank]

The Landman.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Axis of evil.

[Lindy West]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Of. Of the land guy in like low slung old pants, you know what I mean? And he's like, and by the way, this man's wearing a of piece piece. And I just feel like it's not a good one.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, he wants his rug back.

[Megan]

Hello. Like, it's so inauthentic to the Big Sky Montana vibe. He's trying. Or whatever, Texas, whatever. And he's like, where am I anyways? And it's so obnoxious and so stupid. And then, and then you know what happened?

[Luke Burbank]

They got Rushmore in on it.

[Megan]

They got. They. Luke Wilson caught Luke Wilson to start doing them for AT T or whatever. I was like, no one voted for this.

[Lindy West]

This.

[Megan]

No one voted for two different Big Sky Landmen walking around kicking rocks, talking about, you'll never guess where I am. I'm at the pancake store at the gas station.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm Luke Wilson. I'm staring at a scoreboard that I keep deep in the interior of my Texas property that tracks cell phone reliability.

[Megan]

I can't.

[Luke Burbank]

I've taken out binoculars to look at that.

[Megan]

But these are part of one of the hats vis a vis the hat. He's walking around looking like a Coachella influencer, except he's 950 years old. So the vibe is unsettling to say the least.

[Lindy West]

It's a real. It's a real, like, Captain Jack Sparrow.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Well, Lindy.

[Lindy West]

Norma Desmond.

[Luke Burbank]

Lindy. That is a perfect segue into this actual tape.

[Lindy West]

Oh, good.

[Luke Burbank]

Here in the hats. Entertainment segment.

[Lindy West]

Is he doing an accent? Tell me. He's not doing.

[Luke Burbank]

He's being interviewed on a CBS this Morning, not to be confused with my beloved show, CBS Sunday Morning.

[Megan]

Get into it.

[Luke Burbank]

Even though CBS this Morning did steal all of our branding, which we were very sad about, they took the sun because, like, CBS Sunday Morning had good ratings, and so they. CBS this Morning was not having great ratings, and so they borrowed all of the, like, all. Everything that indicates visually the show on Sunday. And now they use it five days a week. That's fine. I'm not bitter about it. But he's being interviewed. He's. He's promoting Landman and he's being interviewed by. It's like Gayle King. Nate Burleson, by the way, Pride of Seattle. Yeah, hi.

[Megan]

Get into it.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. I love Nate Burleson. I did think I would be one of the more famous TV people from the metro leagues, but that is not how that has worked out. No, no, not this lifetime. Not in this part of the multiverse. It's Nate Burleson's, but. And then a guy named Vladimir Duthier, I think is his name.

[Megan]

I was just wondering what happened to Vlad.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, he's a.

[Megan]

He's still.

[Luke Burbank]

He's a CBS this Morning guy now.

[Megan]

Love him.

[Luke Burbank]

So, like, they're interviewing Billy Bob Thornton about Landman. And this is the thing. Linda, you're referencing pirates. This is all. At the very beginning of this, I was like, don't do this to me, Billy Bob Thornton. Don't actually have a sense of humor about yourself, you son of a bitch. He's talking about how much he likes being in Landman.

[Megan]

Okay, go ahead. I'm so sorry to interrupt. Interrupt. The show is actually called Landman. Are you doing a bit.

[Lindy West]

No, it's called Landman.

[Luke Burbank]

It's. Oh, God.

[Lindy West]

Are you not inundated with ads?

[Luke Burbank]

Literally the most popular show in. On television in America.

[Megan]

Is it part of the extended Yellowstone universe? Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a Taylor Sheridan production.

[Megan]

I let all of that exit my brain hole.

[Luke Burbank]

As well you should. Yeah, as well you should it. Yeah. So he's on there talking about Landman and he's talking about the, like, how he likes being in the show. Cause he gets to just be himself. And he starts to say, they don't have me, you know, they don't, like, make me dress up in some pirate suit. And then he realizes that he looks like a pirate and he starts making fun of himself, just ever so briefly for looking like a pirate. Take a listen, you know, dress up like a. I started to say go dress up like a pirate, but I do. People shall remain nameless, but they said.

[Megan]

Billy Bob is here. He's got the pirate look going. I mean, what is the look that you go for? Because really, it's very unique to you, too.

[Lindy West]

Not many people can pull this off.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, extremely well positioned by Gail King. She's not saying even he can pull it off.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

She's saying, what are you going for with your look? It's not something a lot of people can put up.

[Megan]

Including you, Mr. Bob Thorton.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know, I've always. First of all, these boots had dirty there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I got these boots in telluride, Colorado in 1996. Wow. And they look like tire treads. Talk about how they look. Great stuff. They look amazing, by the way. Vladimir is so thirsty for Billy Bob's approval in this. I would say there's about three more times where Billy Bob is talking about a piece of clothing that clearly doesn't work. And all we hear is Vlad interjecting. But it works. But it works. And we are get a little bit of that from Gail, too. I think Nate Burleson wants no part of this conversation. I don't think we hear him once, which is why he's a good broadcaster.

[Megan]

He's a good broadcaster and he's actually handsome and well dressed. He doesn't want to be have his legacy stained by whatever Billy Bob is doing.

[Luke Burbank]

Precisely. I wear them in weather like this, but I wear women's size six Levi's. That's okay.

[Megan]

What? Hello.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, way to break down whatever, you know, whatever your preconceived notions about Billy Bob's, you know, attempts at masculinity. He doesn't see that as a challenge to his masculinity.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Lindy West]

I mean, good for him.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. And also. Yeah, you know, well, Gayle King takes her a minute to let that sink in that she's wearing size six. She says something. Well, I'll let you hear it. And then we can try to interpret what she means by this. Six. Well, yeah. Oh, Billy. And. And then.

[Megan]

Oh, no.

[Luke Burbank]

What do you think that oh, Billy means?

[Megan]

I think she's worried about him. He's too little.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. That's very, very. That's a. That's a for, you know, that's a pretty small. That's a pretty small male.

[Megan]

He's too small, by the way. A lady size six. He couldn't have just said, oh, waist 28 or whatever, like that's such a choice. And I feel like he's trying to brag. It's so weird.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, it's a weird. Yeah, Sorry.

[Andrew Walsh]

Not to jump ahead to my final analysis of this, but the fact that you just said that's a choice, I think that is quite literal. I think it was a choice coming into this interview that he was going to do this whole thing. He is an actor and he knows that he can win us over by acting like somebody who's not an asshole. And I think he was ready to talk about his fit.

[Luke Burbank]

Don't you think though that like, if he is, if he's truly the person who we think he was from the Q interview on the cbc, which is a kind of a very unself aware, very kind of rude person, would that same person be able to then talk about the, you know, the fact that they look like a pirate and that they're wearing, you know, size 6 jeans of the gender they don't identify at, etc.

[Andrew Walsh]

He brought it up.

[Luke Burbank]

Up that.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's my whole point. And I went back that, that John.

[Luke Burbank]

Gail brought it up. Right.

[Andrew Walsh]

He brought up. He's the one who interrupted himself mid word pirate to bring up his own looks. And I feel like. And so first of all, you guys should know where I'm coming from on this.

[Luke Burbank]

Like that Andrew wears a size 7. He's been trying to get down to size 6 for years.

[Andrew Walsh]

Billy B in me have been in the competition and hearing that I'm slightly behind. No, I mean those types of things. Bruce Willis did it once with his co lead actor, the movie Red, I want to say or something like that.

[Luke Burbank]

He was really rude to that interviewer.

[Andrew Walsh]

I get really, really defensive when these big shot Hollywood types come in and talk down to. Or in Billy Bob's case, like actually kind of like really almost harass the interviewer by kind of displaying their gap in sort of social power, cultural power or whatever. And while Ghomeshy has his own issues, in that case I have internalized how much I hate him so much from his cloudiness from that moment. So I went back and watched that today just to make sure, just to get my anger up and to revisit this. And I'm just sort of thinking like, yeah, Billy Bob comes off as super charming in this, this and very likable, but he's also a really good actor as much as I kind of don't like him. I think he's a really good actor and I think in this case he decided I'm going to come on and I'm going to. I'll. I'll acc. I'll accidentally bring up my little fit and I'll make it a thing and I'll be super charming about it.

[Luke Burbank]

Good use of little fit.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, exactly. So anyway, that, that's my take on the, on the whole thing.

[Lindy West]

I have a question. Do we think there's any possibility that he's doing like a galaxy brain, high level marketing move? Because it's like the, for the, for the, the real Americans who watch Landman, the guy who's. To them, the guy who stars in Landman is not a pirate wearing women's jeans.

[Megan]

Right.

[Lindy West]

And so, but, so it's like he, but he needs to maybe try to reach some of the, the woke mind virus Americans by being like, see, I'm like you. But then the other people who do like Landman but don't like a gay pirate will say he's so good. Look how good at acting he is. Because in real life he's that guy in the women's jeans, but then in Landman he's a testosterone soaked, you know.

[Megan]

Happens. I feel like at the very least, I think what he's learned, he had to teach himself how to be self deprecating or whatever version of that that is in this. And maybe that was a result of this disastrous Gian Ghomeshi. By the way, I was also on his radio show once and when he got canceled, I was like, oh my God. We were at.

[Luke Burbank]

I was at a, like a public radio conference where there was a get together afterwards and he was there and weirded out our intern years before. Obviously like the, the s really hit the fan, but let dang. And I don't think anything substantive happened. Yeah, but it was just kind of like, huh, that's a strange thing.

[Megan]

You gotta trust your instincts, girlies. That's what we're saying. Anyways. I just feel like you don't go onto a morning show wearing a wool scarf as an ascot and a disco collar shirt open and a. And a durag underneath a red velvet Dave Navarro hat from Ink Master. And then be like. And then take yourself too seriously. I feel like this was all choices, everyone a choice. And I think that I feel a little bit like Lindy. Like I feel like he's like, okay, we've already captured the elderly people who watch cbs. Let me try to get a couple woke or Two. I don't know. Just let them know I wear women's jeans. That'll really win them over.

[Luke Burbank]

That'll really win over. He opened up a can of Whoop up on my heart.

[Megan]

No, that I forgot about Whoop because.

[Luke Burbank]

I think I bought this hook, line and sinker. What is wrong with me? I'm so naive. I mean, I'm hearing what you all are saying and I'm tending to agree with you. I very much fell into the trap of thinking, oh, this guy maybe is actually like not as much of a little turd as I thought he was from that other interview.

[Megan]

You don't wear Dave Navarro's cast offs like that unless.

[Luke Burbank]

Unless you have a Carmen Electra maybe.

[Lindy West]

Not everyone fits into a neat box, you guys.

[Megan]

Wow.

[Luke Burbank]

So you're saying it's not just good or bad. Would you say it's more like six, seven or.

[Lindy West]

Oh boy.

[Luke Burbank]

No, the rest. Okay, so the rest of. I won't play the rest of the. Oh, there's more. Oh, there is. We don't have to hear it. But basically, again, because you guys think this is all psyops, it doesn't really matter. But I did think it was interesting that he was saying. And you. I'm leaving out like three more. Oh, it's working from Vladimir.

[Lindy West]

Can I say I don't think it's psyops, actually. I think that that's just what he's like. I would just like to say personally, my, my stinks say this is just, this is just like a, a chaotic guy who is a. Is annoying but like, you know what I mean? Because like an annoying person can sometimes be charming. I just feel like this man is, is pickled in showbiz and so he does whatever he wants and he thinks that whatever he does is a great idea.

[Megan]

Oh boy, is he pickled.

[Lindy West]

I think that's pickled, sister.

[Luke Burbank]

That's such a perfect description, Lindy, of exactly what happens to these folks.

[Lindy West]

I support my colleagues analysis that, that it's all choices. I think both, I think NFL, I think go teams.

[Luke Burbank]

Say. He did say that the reason he does that weird double hat thing. And remember this is the segment's called Hats Entertainment. We have to always bring it back to that is because he, he really liked this like skull cap little thing that he got from some designer guy. But then he said. And then he's like, yeah, I pull, you know, I put on this little like ski cap thing. And then Vladimir goes, it's working. Yeah, but Billy Bob has to correct him and go yeah, but if it's just wearing that, I look like a pinhead head. So then I thought I'd put this other hat on top of it. And then I think at that point, Gail realizes that they've spent far too much time talking about the fact she hard pivots into an unrelated.

[Megan]

Gail's like, you know, I don't even have to work. Like, why am I here?

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly.

[Megan]

So, like, nonsense.

[Lindy West]

If it makes you look pinhead, what do you like about it? Sounds like you don't like it if.

[Luke Burbank]

You immediately have to cover it with, as Megan has called it, a Navarro. Navarro job.

[Lindy West]

You know, I. This is a too obvious thing to say, and I apologize for being so pedestrian, but if you haven't seen the I think you should leave sketch where they parody the gshi.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Lindy West]

Interview. It's.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's a cosmic gumbo.

[Luke Burbank]

It's.

[Megan]

It's.

[Lindy West]

It's the one where Santa Claus stars in the action movie, and then they show him doing press and the guy mentions him being Santa Claus, and then he flips out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

That's so funny. I did not connect those dots. But, yeah, that's. That's. Obviously, he's.

[Lindy West]

Like, I said. I said no questions about being Santa Claus. I'm here to talk about my acting.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, RIP to that guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's right. He passed away recently. That's why I feel like there's a. There's another. There's like an alternate universe where Billy Bob walks into some interview and somebody has the gall to ask him about his outfit or his little hat, and he says, you wouldn't say that to Tom Petty would. Like, he would just decide that he's gonna be a total jerk about that. Right. So that's what kind of bugs me.

[Luke Burbank]

I agree with you, Andrew. And I think that goes to Lindy's point, which is like. And I bet you that there's a lot of people, you know, a lot of these Hollywood stars that are like this, where they've just been pickling in it for so long, it's been working for them regardless of if, like, they even understand why it's working. And so everything to them that they're thinking seems like a good idea in the moment. And sometimes that ends up being charming and nice, and sometimes it ends up being totally unhinged, and they can't even tell you the difference. Difference.

[Andrew Walsh]

Greed.

[Megan]

I think.

[Lindy West]

I think that tracks.

[Luke Burbank]

All right.

[Lindy West]

He looks cold.

[Megan]

That's.

[Lindy West]

That's the last thing I'll say. I. I wish him. I wish him you know, some, some woolly socks and per.

[Megan]

Gail, he needs to book up.

[Lindy West]

He's exactly too little.

[Megan]

She's worried.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, my friends, what do you think? Have we. I'm a. If you can, you can tell over the video.

[Megan]

I was gonna say I am no.

[Luke Burbank]

Longer, in the words of Manfred Mann, I'm blinded by the light. Not wrapped up like a douche, which I thought it was, for we all did most of my life. Wait, where do we always land on this? Andrew, is that a Bruce Springsteen original or not?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't think so, but I don't know. Have we had this conversation anything to.

[Luke Burbank]

Do with Blinded by the Light?

[Andrew Walsh]

I didn't even know that was Manfred Mann.

[Luke Burbank]

I thought I was. We were recording this a little bit later.

[Megan]

It was written and recorded by Bruce.

[Luke Burbank]

Springs.

[Megan]

And the Boxmasters, Asbury Park. And singing backup vocals was Billy Bob Thornton Landman.

[Luke Burbank]

Would you ask that of Tom Petty?

[Megan]

Absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

No, but we're, I'm. I, I'm realizing a structural design of my little home studio here in Southern Washington, which is if we're ever trying to record at this time of day and it's the weird nice day in the winter time, it's absolutely impossible for me to see what's happening.

[Megan]

Watching you suffer right now is unfortunately very funny to me. It's just. It's like a rectangle of bright ass sunlight just where your eyeballs are, like.

[Lindy West]

Nowhere else in your room.

[Megan]

It's so funny to me. It's so funny to me.

[Luke Burbank]

I, I did not even know this was a possibility.

[Megan]

So I'm obsessed.

[Lindy West]

I don't know if, if you guys noticed, but I was having the same problem first half cuz I'm sitting under a skylight and the whole right side of my face was.

[Megan]

Well, you don't know this but. Well, maybe you do cuz you can see yourself, but your, your camera was like glowing around the edges, like you were sent by angels from heaven into this riverside.

[Lindy West]

It was beautiful. I had to turn my hat to.

[Megan]

The side, you know, I thought, I.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thought you were just being jaunty.

[Lindy West]

No, like I look like a. Like a rugrat or something. I had to go sideways cap to shield my eyes. But now the sun has gone.

[Megan]

You look like MC Scat Cat. You look like Return of Bruno over here. Anyways, another pleasurable afternoon with Timtal of the Dog.

[Lindy West]

Woof.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. Thank you all.

[Megan]

Thank you. Goodbye. Would you say that to Tom Petty? You wouldn't say that to Tom Petty, would you? Power out.