#4676 Freud, Marry, Kill

Summary

TBTL #4676 “Freud, Marry, Kill”
Date: March 4, 2026
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Luke, broadcasting from a chilly Chicago hotel room, and Andrew, holding down the fort, cover their typical range of “life’s important topics”—from travel mishaps and airline turbulence to pickle discourse, modern pop culture memes, corporate marketing misfires, and the psychology of so-called "gut health." Notably, the pair delivers a thorough, amusing takedown and analysis of the viral McDonald’s CEO “Big Arch” taste test video and explore why certain trends like “mogging” and “looksmaxxing” have infiltrated modern internet culture. Throughout, the conversation winds playfully from personal food preferences and airline behavior pet peeves to cultural commentary and listener appreciation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Without the Internet, Inbox Anxiety, and Protein Creamers

Timestamps: 00:45–07:38

• Andrew muses about how lost he is without the internet, comparing himself to being “too real” for it.
• The hosts riff on favorite sayings and the difficulty of keeping a streamlined inbox, mocking their own procrastination regarding newsletters like Publicola:
  • “At the very least worth interacting with.” — Luke [03:59]
• Creamer wars: Luke describes switching to a high-protein, lactose-free “Nori” creamer (found at Becca’s) and how “we are living in the age of protein.”
  • “You gotta get more protein. You just gotta figure out how to get more protein in your protein holes.” — Luke [06:54]

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2. The Great Pickle Discourse, Gut Health, and Snack Psychology

Timestamps: 07:38–18:29; 67:02–71:22

• Andrew details his obsession with pickles, specifically lamenting the scarcity of non-spicy Grillo’s and the impact of “gut health” branding on his enjoyment:
  • “I don't want to be thinking about my guts when I'm eating pickles… I am so turned off by the term gut health.” — Andrew [13:35]
• Luke discovers a local “Nally’s Spicy Pickles” at Costco; Andrew shares his skepticism toward “fermented, gut health” products but paradoxically admits to loving kimchi and sauerkraut.
• The team plans an on-air pickle taste test (Cleveland Kitchen vs. Grillo’s). Andrew, despite his hesitations, finds the Cleveland Kitchen pickles “pretty good” but remarks, “I think I just crapped my pants.” [69:08]

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3. Turbulence at 30,000 Feet & Airline Bathroom Struggles

Timestamps: 19:49–27:24

• Luke describes a truly turbulent flight into Chicago. For the first time, the crew instructed passengers: “If you’re in the bathroom, stay in the bathroom.” [22:40]
• A comedic story unfolds: Luke witnesses a woman peeking out of the airplane bathroom at “toilet height,” seeking permission to return to her seat post-turbulence.
• The hosts riff on the shame and logistics of using airplane, dive bar, and woods bathrooms, grading discomfort on a scale of 1–10.
  • “The dive bar, bathroom... at worst, you’ll get judged by a bobcat [in the woods], not a drunk person.” — Luke [32:46]

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4. Pop Culture & Modern Meme Analysis: Mogging, Frame-Mogging, and Looksmaxxing

Timestamps: 37:06–47:18

• Luke explains the viral “Clavicular frame mogging” incident (TikTok streamer outsmogged by a buff ASU frat guy), the internet’s meme response, and the fleeting currency of online fame.
• Andrew provides a meta-commentary:
  • “We're just trying to giggle wherever we frickin can these days. And if I can't make fun of clavicular, who can I make fun of?” [45:38]
• The hosts reflect on how “mogging” and similar terms occupy both serious and silly corners of the internet, contrasting them with more “nonsensical” memes like Skibidi Toilet.

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5. Bingo Subcultures and Midwest Observations

Timestamps: 47:38–58:36

• Luke recounts attending a high-stakes bingo night in Olathe, Kansas ($35k+ prize), contrasting it with the raucous, social vibes of drag/Eagles bingo:
  • “We had just pledged allegiance to the flag… American Legion of Olathe, Kansas... And then this guy just goes, ‘Shut the F— up!’” [50:44]
• Reflection on “Queen of Hearts” drawings, local rivalry, and etiquette around winning “outsider” money at social clubs.

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6. Dazzling Donors & Listener Appreciation

Timestamps: 58:41–67:02

• BK Bleakley (San Diego) and Eric Smith (Bainbridge Island) are thanked for their sustaining support, with BK sharing how TBTL brought light during a difficult year:
  • “TBTL was quite literally a bright spot in my life, five days a week through the blurst of times.” — BK [60:44]
• Brief aside to Minneota’s progressive legacy and Mancini’s Char House raising $35,000 for the resist movement [62:41–63:40]

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7. Fast Food Viral Video Autopsy: The McDonald’s CEO “Big Arch” Taste Test

Timestamps: 71:25–98:56

• Luke and Andrew dissect the now-infamous Instagram video of McDonald’s CEO Chris Kempczinski awkwardly sampling the “Big Arch” burger.
  • “This is the most CEO speak I've ever heard… It's so unbelievably apparent that he does not eat McDonald's at all.” — Luke [75:44]
  • “Only somebody who is watching charts go up and down would start by saying, ‘We tested it in Portugal!’” — Andrew [77:40]
• Continuity errors (mysteriously expanding fries), lack of charisma, sterile corporate setting, and contrast with Burger King’s (much more natural) CEO video are discussed.
• Classic quote on the CEO’s lack of gusto:
  • “The man doesn’t even know how to fucking hold a burger. He’d be less uncomfortable if he was holding the nuclear codes.” — Garen Noone (YouTuber), reacting to the video [94:37]
• Reflection on the viral effect: despite the intention, ridicule brought the burger far more attention than any triumphant ad campaign could have.

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8. Miscellaneous Memorable Moments

• Luke comments on adapting to podcasting in cozy settings vs. upright radio style—"now there's this whole generation of podcasters...lying almost in full repose."
• Extended digression on airline upgrades and seating shame [23:19], including the hope of achieving holy grail “infinity” ratio of music to talk on radio [00:32].
• Several affectionate jabs at modern branding (“We are in the age of protein”; “gut health” products everywhere), with Andrew’s catchphrase: “I hate the idea of gut health.” [13:35]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Kombucha and Gut Health

• “The first time I'd heard of kombucha, my hippie friends were making their own... there’s just like this gross looking jar in a cupboard. Would you like it better if we called it ‘booch’?”
  Luke and Andrew [12:17–12:39]

On Mogging and Looksmaxxing

• “You can look smacks into the void, and then the void looks maxes back.”
  Luke [38:39]
• “We’re just trying to giggle wherever we frickin can these days.”
  Andrew [45:37]

On Corporate Marketing Fails

• “This is the most CEO speak I've ever heard... It's so unbelievably apparent that he doesn’t eat McDonald’s at all.”
  Luke [75:44]
• “The man doesn’t even know how to fucking hold a burger. He’d be less uncomfortable if he was holding the nuclear codes.”
  Garen Noone, reacting [94:37]

On Listener Connection

• “TBTL was quite literally a bright spot in my life, five days a week through the blurst of times.”
  Listener BK [60:44]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:45–07:38 — Internet anxiety, protein creamer, life updates
• 07:38–18:29, 67:02–71:22 — Pickle discourse & “gut health” rant + taste test
• 19:49–27:24 — Turbulent flight & airplane bathroom etiquette
• 37:06–47:18 — Frame-mogging, TikTok pop culture terminology
• 47:38–58:36 — Bingo subculture, Queen of Hearts, superstitions
• 58:41–67:02 — Dazzling donors, Minnesota progressive culture
• 71:25–98:56 — McDonald's CEO viral video autopsy, Burger King retort, meme-ification

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Overall Tone & Style

This episode excelled at weaving mundane daily struggles into punchlines and pop culture observations. The hosts’ banter was equal parts self-deprecating, sharply observational, and affectionate—unafraid to detour into bathroom logistics, internet meme arcana, or deep listener gratitude. Their style was loose, conversational, and frequently “too real,” with especially robust analysis of a viral video that captures the awkward collision of corporate comms and the internet’s relentless meme machine.

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A perfect episode for TBTL regulars and newcomers alike: packed with quirky insights, contemporary references, food talk, media mockery, and warm community vibes.

Transcript

[Andrew]

Cross promotional spots for a monster truck rally to be read during Non Stop Rock blocks. No thanks, tj. Never again. Look, Z man, I know you're not

[Luke]

happy about what happened back then, but

[Andrew]

I had no choice. Those traffic updates gave us critical mainstream support and all we had to give

[Guest/Contributor]

up was one hour of Non Stop rock.

[Luke]

We never could have held onto that power.

[Andrew]

Rush hour.

[Luke]

People just weren't ready for that much

[Andrew]

rock with so little talk.

[Luke]

The 9am compromise allowed us to bring back get the let out.

[Andrew]

Friday in 96, the ratio of rock to talk was three to one.

[Luke]

Today it's five to one. And yes, someday, God willing, it will be infinity.

[Andrew]

I suck without the Internet, dude. It's like I'm too real for it. You know, sometimes people say that my head is too big for my body. And then I say, compared to what? If you had a favorite saying, what would it be?

[Luke]

Life's a party.

[Andrew]

Rock your body.

[Luke]

You're so shy and small. And you're so loud. Huge.

[Andrew]

I swear, every time this guy talks, all I hear is a turkey goblin.

[Luke]

You're both little troublemakers. You're both huge in Japan.

[Andrew]

You probably have a lot to talk about. Go keep things light. Don't bring up your divorce.

[Luke]

Well, all right. Hello, good afternoon and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Isn't that for techno geeks with spreadsheet. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

[Andrew]

I don't know who that is, and

[Luke]

I don't care to find out. Coming to you a little later than normal today because I am in beautiful but very cold Chicago, Illinois, the Windy City. In a case gone cold. Could a podcast bring the heat? Got up very early in the Pacific Northwest today, went to the airport in Portland, flew on over here to Chicago, jumped in a rideshare, hustled straight here to the hotel, set up my little audio gear, and we're ready to do this. We're ready to get into episode 4676 in a collector series.

[Guest/Contributor]

Let the fun begin.

[Luke]

Speaking of media productions, we've been trying to get to this story all week, but the McDonald's corporation thought they would maybe put a, I don't know, a clever video out involving their CEO and one of their new burgers. And I wish I hadn't done that. Didn't go super well. Maybe today will finally be the day that we actually play that tape. Who knows? And then speaking of, like, iconic tape, it was about 14 years ago that the Bowler Pete Webber won a. I think it was an entire tournament, maybe it was just one match. And he famously, in his celebration yelled, who do you think you are? I am.

[Andrew]

Who do you think you are?

[Luke]

I am. And now we're getting some more clarity from his own description of things as to who he was actually yelling at, who he was saying, who do you think you are? I am. And it's pretty surprising, honestly. So we'll get into that and we'll talk to this guy. He's the longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He is Andrew Walsh.

[Andrew]

132, 33, 30.

[Luke]

And he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew]

Good morning, Luke. Feeling a little bit of Ajita. I like to keep my inbox nice and clean with just a few red emails, but now I've got like, you know, a bunch of unread emails in here. Things that I can't bring myself just to delete because I want to give them a little. Some of them are bills I need to pay. Some of them are like articles that I have pretty. Or like newsletters. Newsletters, I guess news related newsletters that I have really good intentions on. Like how long. Let me ask you this. What's today? Today's the 4th. So this just came in yesterday from Publicola, one of my favorite, you know, local news. Yes. Sites worth.

[Luke]

Worth supporting. At the very least worth interacting with.

[Andrew]

Absolutely. A model like ours, you can get it for free, but you can also support it. I do support it. For the record. An alternative.

[Luke]

I mostly use public diet cola.

[Andrew]

Yeah, no, it just tastes like I'm

[Luke]

always watching my waistline.

[Andrew]

Well, diet. They've gotten good diet. Public root beer tastes almost exactly like regular Pueblo root beer. An alternative approach to creating affordable housing. Inside out urbanism. Now, I don't know what inside out urbanism is, but this has caught my attention. I'm asking you, what are the chances I actually read that before I give in and delete it?

[Luke]

I would say pretty slim.

[Andrew]

I would say pretty slim too. Is this a Josh Feit thing or is this a. We love Josh Feit, but I'm a bit more, you know, like Erica's stuff.

[Luke]

You know, it's. It's not really the size of the Josh in the fight. Size of the fight with Josh.

[Andrew]

I don't have a Josh in this fight. Would be a great PETA.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Andrew]

I. Wes, if we ever want to mix it up. If we ever.

[Luke]

Yeah, Wes, what else are you sending us? No more nut Pods, please.

[Andrew]

Oh, did we. Oh, you know what? And just for the record, I don't think I really care, but I don't think you ever.

[Luke]

Strong statement.

[Andrew]

I don't think you ever finished telling us, like, whatever creamer you're using now or something. You had something on the show sheet.

[Luke]

Yeah, it is this. It's called Nori and it's a high protein creamer that does have some amount of milk in it, although it's lactate free. So Becca had it at her house. And in fact, what happened was she was walking Gigi and so I was. It was a Sunday morning and I was making coffee and I was looking around for half and half. And she didn't have any half and half in the fridge, but she had this like, high. Because, you know, I've talked about this a lot too, which is, we are living in the age of protein. We're living in the age where everyone is being told, you gotta get more protein. You've just got to figure out how to get more protein in your protein holes. And so, like, you know, they're adding it to all kinds of stuff, including this kind of coffee creamer, which is also. It's sweetened in a way. But what it meant was I poured it into my coffee on Sunday and it didn't do what that other nut pod stuff had done, which was it kind of separated, it kind of had an unpleasant visual to it. Whereas if you put half and half into coffee and you stir it, it just kind of. It just changes the color of the coffee. But it's, you know, it looks nice, it looks integrated. It doesn't look like what this other stuff was doing. I was very happy to notice that the high protein stuff mixed in very well with the coffee and it has enough sweetener in it that I didn't even need to put any Splenda in my coffee. And I'm getting my protein and it's 20 calories per, like teaspoon or tablespoon. I think it's actually half the calories of regular half and half. Not that I'm that worried about that as it relates to my morning coffee. But yeah, it seemed. And it was actually funny because, you know, Becca is an extremely conscientious eater. And I was like, I'm loving this. I go, but it's really good. It's really sweet. Does it have, like, way more calories than half and half? And she looks at me, she goes, have you met me? Like, as if she's gonna like one day. She's Gonna wake up and just be buying like the most, like coffee mate with the, with the most absolute, you know, whatever sugar and calories in it. So all that is to say I'm pretty excited because I think that I can kind of feed two birds with one scone on this. Now, Andrew, the creamer will also be the sweetening agent. And I'm getting my protein.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I do like that I told you that I like to use almond milk in my occasional bowl of cereal. And that also even if I buy the non vanilla kind, if you just buy the regular kind, it has a little bit of sweetness to it. Just, just a touch of sweetness that I enjoy. Now this story has reminded me of something that I do kind of want to talk to you about regarding food and literally how mentally unwell I think I am regarding food and suggestion. So my whole life as I think, you know, I would hope the listeners have been tracking this. I've been a clause and pickle person. I love pickles and I love Claussen pickles. So those, those were the ones that would just be like, you know, they just stay in the fridge, you know, for your standard. Every day. You're, you're, you're workman, like pickle.

[Luke]

Right. And your everyday pickle.

[Andrew]

Your everyday pickle. Right. It's a workhorse. A couple of. But what was a year ago or something, I tried Grillo's because they were in the refrigerated section. And I really like Grillo's pickles we've talked about on the show.

[Luke]

I'm a holdout.

[Andrew]

I know you don't like them and that's okay. We can like different things. There's a whole song about that. I bought.

[Luke]

I mean, I bought, I think at Costco or something. Or maybe. I don't know if they have them. Do they have them at Trader Joe's? Well, you don't go to Trader Joe's, but I bought a thing of the Grillo's. I was all excited because I do love pickles and everybody was talking about them and just for whatever reason didn't click for me.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I don't know. And maybe it was the hype. I had not heard any hype. I just saw them and I think I might have bought them because where I, I think I was at, well, sprouts, you know, I go to different grocery stores now and they have different offerings. And sprouts is one of those places that would not have claws and pickles. But they had these grillos. They had a logo that I liked. And I'd heard of them because of, I think, some Sonic Fast Food Partnership commercials or something I'd seen. So I give them a shot. I fall in love with them nowadays, and I don't know why this is, but I can't find non spicy grillo's pick. They used to just have, you know, they sold pickles, spears, and two kinds, spicy kind and regular. I like them both, but I prefer regular. But lately, at various grocery stores, I can only find spicy. I don't know if that's the marketplace speaking or what it is.

[Luke]

It's. It is.

[Andrew]

Okay. I am in Sprouts yesterday and I am looking at my pickle selection and I'm like, they still don't have non spicy grill Os, but I'm getting a little bit low at home. I'll maybe just pick up another one. But then I see next to it is something another thing of pickles that are in kind of in a similar plastic container, must be refrigerated, you know, and they're from something called the Cleveland Kitchen. And I pick it up and I look at it briefly. I'm like, why not try these? Like, I don't want to. Let's try a non spicy pickle. Maybe These are kind of in the style of grillos. So without thinking too much about it, I put them in my basket. I'm like, you know, it's a pickle.

[Luke]

Grable's favorite pickles, Andrew.

[Andrew]

That's right. It says AMDG on the top of them. I don't know why. And so then I bring him home, and then I'm like, hey, I should ask my dad if he's heard of these. He lives in Cleveland. And I assume that something called Cleveland Kitchen would mean that it originates from Cleveland, Ohio. Although at the moment, I did not even take the time to double check that. I just took a photo of the pickles, sent the photo to my dad, still haven't heard back, but that's okay. But then later on or I'm looking at the photo that I sent him and I'm looking more closely at what the label says. And the label says, like, this is like, from Cleveland Kitchen and it's supposed to encourage gut health. And then I'm realizing, oh, Cleveland Kitchen, they are in Cleveland, Ohio, and they focus on fresh fermented foods with gut health properties. Their catchphrase here, Kimchi fresh with benefits. Exactly. All of those things. Pickles, kraut, kimchi, and oh, I thought they also made beverages like, what is the kombucha But I don't see kombucha here. Maybe they don't do the beverages, but I have. Well, first of all, I hate the idea. I don't hate other people having it, but I hate the idea of kombucha. To me it's just I. I've never

[Luke]

had it not seems in my life fully. Actually, you know what, that's not true. Sorry. Just quickly, my brother in law, Josh, he was like, he makes. Because at their, at their chicken shop, Pollo Bravo. He actually makes kombucha and like, you know, he makes his own and then he could get out of a tap. And I have to be honest with you, I'm not just saying this is my brother in law. It was really good. Like it. Because it was, it was very light. I've had other kombucha that's too fermented for me. It's just kind of almost tastes like you're drinking, I don't know, some kind of apple cider vinegar or something. So I don't know, you might, you might, you might like it more than you thought if you have Josh's.

[Andrew]

Well, maybe. I mean, I do think it's a mental thing for me a little bit. Because the first time I'd heard of kombucha is like kind of my, my hippie. Not hippie, but let's say, you know, like somewhat crunchy friends and they were making their own and you know, there's just like this gross looking jar like in this cupboard behind.

[Luke]

Would you like it better if we called it booch?

[Andrew]

No, I would like it less.

[Luke]

Dude, you gotta try my booch.

[Andrew]

And so like I've always had a bad idea and. But then also I just don't like anything that tastes a little fermented. Like for example, like sometimes you will get like those. I'm trying to think like not seltzers. You know how some seltzers now you can get tons of ciders. I don't really like alcoholic ciders because again, that fermented taste. And I swear there are some of those little sodas you can get, alcoholic sodas that also just like have a little bit too much of a fermented taste to me and it's an immediate turnoff and I can just like taste the tiniest bit of that. And when I go to Sprouts, like anything in their beverage section, like I never buy a beverage other than still water from sprouts because everything advertises. Yes, everything advertises gut health. And like I think. And so here's the deal with this? I think I hate the term gut health. I don't want to be thinking about my guts when I'm eating pickles. I don't want this.

[Luke]

You're not a fan of Greg Gut health on Fox, Fox 5.

[Andrew]

No, I don't want to be thinking about kombucha when I'm eating these pickles. Like, I haven't even opened them yet. And I know that. I know, know that I am unwell, and this doesn't make sense. I am already picturing myself sneakily throwing away one pickle a day until the jar is gone. And I haven't even tried them yet. They might be lovely, but I am so turned off by the term gut health. I don't want to eat anything that says that on the label.

[Luke]

You know what we have to do on air taste test.

[Andrew]

Should I grab one now?

[Luke]

Maybe when. Maybe after the break, you know, when we do the donors or something. I would love to. I would love to get a real time reaction from you of if it tastes, you know, better or worse than you were expecting.

[Andrew]

And I'll bring them grillos down. I'll bring. Bring the grillos down, too, in case I need a chaser, like a good pickle taste chaser.

[Luke]

You were talking about how they. They have the spicy grillos. I feel like we are in a golden age of spicy pickle things because I've gotten into these. These, like, they're Nally. Right. Which Nally is kind of, you know, kind of. It's certainly not artisanal.

[Andrew]

This is a brand N A L, Y, N A.

[Luke]

It's actually, I think that they're in originally from the Tacoma area or they had a big production facility down there and this big Nally plant. They did potato chips, they did pickles and stuff. And I remember we used to call it. There was a. When I was a traffic reporter, there was a section of roadway that we call the Nally Valley Viaduct.

[Andrew]

Hmm.

[Luke]

Because of its proximity to the Nally plant. Now, I don't know if Nally, they just. If they just had a plant out here or if there's some connection to the local community. But.

[Andrew]

And there is something called the Nally Valley. I'm seeing newspaper clips that say Nelly. Oh, yeah. Because on the back of the truck it says foods from Nally Valley. I'd never heard of any of this before.

[Luke]

Well, so they've got these spicy. These nally spicy pickles, which are. They're bigger than a Cornish on, but. But not like, cut up the way a Grillo's would be or a Clawson would be. They're kind of. They're sort of in between. And my sister Liz had them out at their house when we were out there in the summertime. And I was like, I seriously ate like half of a jar of these things. They're so good. And then I went to Costco. Where'd you get these? She's like, I got them at Costco. We went to Costco, could not find them because it was very distraught. And then, I don't know, like months and months and months later, sure enough, we're in the Costco again, me and Becca, and they had them. And I think I bought like three. Like, think about this. A Costco sized jar. So I may have. I may have these pickles for the rest of my life. This may be my longest term relationship with anything. 3. Three Costco sized jars of these pickles.

[Andrew]

I am just thinking about what a hypocrite I am, because I'm looking at this Cleveland Kitchen website, and it's a nice website. I'm looking at kimchi, and if I'm in a restaurant and there's kimchi on the table, I'm eating it. You know what I mean? I don't get it.

[Luke]

I love kimchi.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And that makes sense because you really love sauerkraut too. And I love sauerkraut too. That's the thing. I like these foods. But for some reason, there was something about the. In the same way that you were talking about how everything is protein now. Hey, there's protein in the cream or there's protein in all these places, which I kind of question if people are really not getting enough protein. But the people who are seeking that stuff out are probably already getting enough protein. But that's a whole nother thing. But I feel like the gut health thing is kind of akin to that. And it's like they're taking foods that otherwise I would like, but then just sort of putting this idea in my head that makes me like, I don't know, I hear. I mean, do we want to get. Should we analyze this? Like, do you want to Freud me? Or maybe we're just fine.

[Luke]

I mean, I'm sitting in a cozy chair today as if I was your therapist.

[Andrew]

You know what I mean?

[Luke]

Hey, Andrew, let's unpack that a little bit more.

[Andrew]

Freud. Marry, kill is a little game I like to play with you right now. But it's like, I don't know, if I think gut health, then I think of My digestive Freud's.

[Luke]

My mom. Marry my mom, kill my mom, kill my dad. I think.

[Andrew]

But that's pretty good. Anyway, but you know what I mean. Like, I guess now you got me thinking of. Now I'm cracking open this thing of pickles. I'm going to try one for the first time. And I'm already thinking about my gutty works and my. In my digestive system. And we all know what goes on there. Like, can we just not? Can we just not.

[Luke]

I mean, I also. Yeah, my guess would be that that's also a little overstated. The idea of, like, we've all got to be eating. We all have to be eating, you know, 30 pounds of fermented cabbage every week to keep, you know, our bodies operating. Yeah, I'm sure it's there. I'm sure there are some benefits. We used to have this. I think sor. Sorry. There's a. I think a fire engine going down Michigan Avenue here in Chicago.

[Andrew]

Oh, I can't hear it at all.

[Luke]

I know a guy who can't hear a fire truck at all.

[Andrew]

I mean, it's good. You've got this handheld microphone. It's right up to your face. Like, it's a pretty. You actually have a very good sound for being on the road.

[Luke]

I am really. I'll be honest with you. I. This is. I. You know what? I feel like right now a little bit is one of these many other podcasters that I see on TikTok now, like Stavros or any of these guys, where they've got these kind of handheld microphones. They're in just, like, a cozy. They're on a cozy couch or a cozy chair. Oftentimes they're just, like, lying almost in full repose while they're talking. Like, it's. It's sort of the opposite.

[Andrew]

Slipping down off the chair in some cases.

[Luke]

Yep. Yep. Pulling a full. Mr. Holland's opus.

[Andrew]

That's what they call the Mr. Holland opus.

[Luke]

But, like, it's funny because it's a totally different approach to the format than what you and I came up with, which was radio. And, you know, radio. We started out doing it at radio stations where you had this whole studio environment and you were, like, sitting pretty upright and, you know, having energy. And I remember, like. Well, I actually stood doing the show for a fair amount of time, too. But I remember, like, Don, Ron and Don, they were always standing when they would do the show. I think that they're. Or at least for periods of their. Their careers. I remember coming in and Seeing them standing because they thought that that brought better energy. And now there's this whole just younger generation of podcasters in their 30s who are like, why wouldn't I be sitting in a cozy chair with this microphone just kind of. Now the main reason you're not going to catch me in full repose is because it's a real double chin shot.

[Andrew]

Sure.

[Luke]

I mean, yeah. So that's where my, where my vanity ends up becoming an important part of the calculation. You know, I had something happen on the flight out here today, Andrew, that has. I can't remember this happening to me before on a flight which was. They announced that there was going to be some turbulence. You know, that I have like a. I'm just. So you want to talk about broken brain? I'm just like, I don't know why I have to be such a little turd out there. But like, sometimes the pilots will come on, they'll say, hey, we're going to, we were looking at extra turbulence, so we're going to not do the drink service. Or we're going to ask our flight attendants to, you know, take their seats for the duration of the flight out of safety. And when they do that, I always think, well, we better get some serious ass turbulence because otherwise I wanted that Diet Coke and like, you know, the idea that again, it sounds like I'm being.

[Andrew]

Do you think they're shaking the plane? Do you think they're shaking the joystick or whatever they use to pilot the plane?

[Luke]

The far side. Do you remember that Far side comic? It's literally like freaking out and he

[Andrew]

leaves the, he leaves the announcer on or something.

[Luke]

I think the one I'm thinking of is basically the pilot says, we're going to encounter some turbulence. And then they just do that. They just.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, right, right.

[Luke]

Rock the steering wheel back and forth because it's fun for them. Like that's what the turbulence is.

[Andrew]

Isn't there another one? I think there's another one where they accidentally leave the microphone on. And I don't know why they're doing it, but they're screaming, we're all gonna die. We're all gonna die.

[Luke]

And isn't it cut to like terrified passengers, bug eyed.

[Andrew]

But they're, But I don't know, I don't remember why they would legitimately be saying that anyway. So you assume just like hotels that are really trying to save. Save money by having you reuse your towel, you think that they're faking turbulence. You're on the record that you think that the pilots are faking turbulence to get out of giving you a free soda.

[Luke]

I think that the pilots listen, they work with the flight attendants. We want the flight attendants to be safe. So I know that I'm on the wrong side of this, but sometimes what has happened to me before is we'll be on a flight, they will. They'll make the announcement, there's going to be turbulence, therefore the flight attendants are going to be staying seated the whole flight. And then there's like, no turbulence. And it's like, where did that weather report come from? Or whatever turbulence report is. And so anyway, that was in the back of my mind when they announced, oh, we're going to be seeing some turbulence as we're getting closer to Chicago. So we're going to go ahead and, like, wrap up our service and everything early to get our flight attendants seated. I was like, okay, whatever. And then, Andrew, let me tell you, it was turbulent. It was probably. It's probably the most turbulent flight I've been on that I can remember in a long, long time. And this is the part that I've never seen before. They jumped on the mic, they said, everyone has to be sitting with your seatbelts tightly fastened. If you're in the bathroom, stay in the bathroom.

[Andrew]

Whoa.

[Luke]

If you're in line, stay in line.

[Andrew]

I never really. They said, if you're in line, stay in line.

[Luke]

Well, that was just a joke about. In the days of voting, you was when there was long lines at the polls, it'd be saying, if you're in line, stay in line.

[Andrew]

You can still vote.

[Luke]

They were saying, yeah, but obviously, legitimately,

[Andrew]

they wanted everybody to buckle up. They didn't want a line at the door. But they were actually said. Because I think about that sometimes, I'm usually such a rule follower that I'm not in the bathroom when the turbulence, you know, is happening. But every now and then it's kind of like, well, people are milling about, I can still go in there, or whatever. And sometimes you're like, oh, wow, this is some turbulence. While I'm in this bathroom, you kind of hang onto the wall a little bit. And they said, stay in there if you're in there.

[Luke]

Literally said, if you're in the bathroom, stay in the bathroom. And then. And then it was really turbulent. And then, Andrew, I'm sitting. You know, I was. Fortunately, I was moved towards the front of the airplane for this, although I did feel like 5% shamed by the flight attendant, who was lovely, actually, but she came over to me and said, like, you know, in. In first class. I only get to fly in first class if just the people, you know, there's empty seats that no one has chosen to buy in first class. And then I get to go up there because of my airline status. I'm not a paying customer in first class. I'm not somebody who buys first class tickets. But I always want to kind of blend in. I don't want everyone to know that I have, like, you know, that I got free beat up here. I wanted. I want to seem like a, you know, a class individual. And so she said, she's like, comes up, oh, hi. Hi, Luke. Okay, so you were upgraded, so we don't have a food order from you. What can I get you for breakfast or whatever. Again, she was being nice about it, but I was like, low key. The fact that I got up upgraded that I want everyone here to think I want it to be a real Howard Schultz situation. I want everyone to think that I am. That I'm as well off and therefore as valuable as the rest of them up here in first class. But because where I was sitting, I was in the, like, first row of the plane. The very first row. I'm looking, and I was in the. On the aisle. So I'm looking at the first class bathroom. And after all the turbulence and then after they say, if you're in the bathroom, stay in the bathroom, finally it calms down a little bit and I just see the bathroom door open. And this woman, maybe in her 60s or 70s, who looks like she's sitting on the toilet. Her head is not like she's standing up. Her head is like she's sitting on the toilet peeking out like, can I. Is it safe for me to go? Like, it was crazy. I've never seen someone open the bathroom door on the airplane and they're clearly still sitting on the toilet.

[Andrew]

And you think that she was actually going to the bathroom or she was just hunkering at this point fully.

[Luke]

She was hunkering? Yeah, she was hunkering and fully clothed. But I didn't know that at first.

[Andrew]

Yes.

[Luke]

All I saw was, it's like all this turbulence. All this turbulence. And then if you're in the bathroom, stay in the bathroom. And then the bathroom door just opened and just a lady at exactly toilet height, toilet sitting height, just go, like peeking out from the bathroom. And then she was like, she looks at the flight attendant, she's like, can I go back to my seat? And the flight attendant's like, if you want to risk it. So Then, so now this lady, that's when I see. So she kind of jumps out of the bathroom and she's making her way back to her seat quickly and she was obviously fully closed. So she wasn't in the process of using the toilet when I saw her. But it was just like, it was like a weird visual that I haven't seen before.

[Andrew]

I was just Google if you, if I look distracted. I don't know if you have my monitor. If you have me up on your monitor or not. I'm sorry if I look distracted, but this is, this is airline related. But I needed to get some information. It's not about going to the bathroom on an airplane. I don't have any good stories about that. Although I do have a friend who sharted while in line for the bathroom on an airplane when he was a teenager, I believe. Oh, that's that. I think about that all the time. That is. I am so glad he told me that story because I think it has potentially prevented accidents of my own because it is such a terrible scenario.

[Luke]

Yeah. Just the amount of fermented food that you're consuming all week long in preparation for your flight.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Just to make sure your gut health is, is, is immaculate. I think. I don't even know if I've ever actually used like the toilet. You know, I don't know if I've ever gone number two on an airplane.

[Andrew]

Oh, I never have. I certainly never.

[Luke]

Certainly not something that I would. Would, would hope was going to be happening. I would, I would definitely. It would be a plan Z. Yeah. And maybe back in my slightly more alcohol soaked days if I was. Maybe. No, because see, I didn't ever get, I didn't get to start flying in first class until probably five or ten years ago when I got very serious about always using Alaska Airlines. And so I don't even know. I could see myself having been a little tuned up on a flight maybe and then used the toilet or something. But I don't have a conscious memory of doing it. And it's not something that I'm. That I'm looking to start now.

[Andrew]

No, actually that would be a good list. You know how we were doing kind of like top five lists. I would be like top five lists of places you don't want to go to the bathroom. Because like that would be mid for me. Like I don't want number two specifically. I don't want to do that on an airplane. But I can think of worse scenarios for sure. I mean, first of all, the absence of a Toilet altogether, like, in a camping situation would be probably number one on the list, followed by, like, dive bars.

[Luke]

You know, I mean, with a bullet,

[Andrew]

which was dive bars. Or woods worse. I don't think I've ever had to do that without the assistance of an actual toilet bowl.

[Luke]

I would think dive bar worse because. Okay, woods, you know, it's. It's not a comfortable situation. But, like, as a kid, when we were camping, I think I done it a couple times. You sort of, like, sit, you know, over a downed tree, do what you got to do, and then, you know, bring some, like, TP with you or whatever. It's. The thing about it is it's an uncomfortable experience, but no one's gonna walk in on you. And the dive bar, bathroom. I'm trying to remember. This literally came up, like, I don't know, a few weeks ago. I was somewhere. We were getting dinner or something or a drink, and then my stomach started to feel, like, a little bit. Not, you know, it wasn't like a critical situation, but it was like. What I could feel was like, oh, this is the b. This is. Oh, you know what it was? It was Becca and her brother and I were at this place called Scooters in Portland. It's like a legendary old. This is a crazy story. Her brother, when he was, like, 21, he had been in this bar, Scooters, with his friends, and because they were kind of drunk and up to no good, he had taken an entire tray of Jello shots. Like. Like, it's a hundred Jello shots. This tray that was unattended, and he was holding it under the table, and everyone's kind of taking these Jello shots or whatever. And he kind of thought, oh, we got away with something. There's, like, the per. By the way, this is, like, $200 worth of jello shots. It was like, two or three bucks a jello shot or whatever. Well, they had security cameras. I mean, it was not so long ago that they didn't have some kind of security cameras in there. And they recognized his friend was. This was his friend's favorite bar. And so they. The next time the friend tried to come in, they said, you're lifetime band because you were part of that group that stole all of the jello shooters.

[Andrew]

Oh, no kidding. So they didn't stop him in the moment?

[Luke]

No, they didn't. They didn't figure out at the time what was going on. It was like, later they went back and reviewed the tapes, and so Scott had to go in and, like, first of all pay for all of the shots. And also apologize profusely and say, look, you can do anything that you want to me. You can throw me in that briar patch. You can ban me for life, whatever, trespass me. You cannot. Please don't like, you know, ban my friend. This is his favorite bar, and he didn't even do anything. He wasn't even the one who stole the jello shots, although he did have a couple of them. And I guess he was successful in prevailing. And we were in that bar. And this is the funny thing. The woman who was the server, the bartender when we went in there, it's the same bartender that he had to apologize to 20 years ago.

[Andrew]

Whoa.

[Luke]

Yeah. Which.

[Andrew]

Which you point to a photo of him behind the bar that says band.

[Luke]

Well, it was funny because I was playing one of the little. They have those little video. Because it's Oregon. They have those little video poker machines. So I'm sitting there doing that while Scott's getting us some drinks, and I was like, are you gonna. You're gonna remind her of who you are? He goes, after I get our drinks.

[Andrew]

And then. Did she remember? Did you have any response?

[Luke]

Yeah, she totally remembered.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke]

And was not, you know, was not mad or anything, you know, and thought it was funny, but it was kind of crazy that. But all that is to say we're sitting there and I have that feeling that it's like. It's a. It's a. Maybe it's a two on a scale of one to ten. Ten being like, you just have to go use the bathroom. No matter how embarrassing or gross it is. One is. You're great. Maybe it was a three. It was enough that I thought, let me just.

[Andrew]

One. You don't have to go to the bathroom at all. Or.

[Luke]

That's why I adjusted it. I think a one is a one. One is like.

[Andrew]

Like, I'm a one right now. I don't have to go at all.

[Luke]

I'm a one. I'm.

[Andrew]

You're a one. You don't have to go at all, but you could go.

[Luke]

Yeah, you know what? That's. I think that's a good framing.

[Andrew]

So a zero. You're at a zero. If you couldn't go. Like, if I. Right now, I could not go to the bathroom.

[Luke]

Yeah, I think one is. One is. You could go if you, for some reason, needed to win a bet, but you don't. It's not imminent at all.

[Andrew]

Oh, God, I'm a 10. Oh, God, I'm a 10.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

No, wait, I'm back. I'm a one again. Okay, I'm good. Sorry. Sorry. Go ahead.

[Luke]

So I. Let me put it this way. It was. It was uncomfortable enough that my thought was, I want to go see what the bathroom situation is here.

[Andrew]

This is more than a. This is a five.

[Luke]

Maybe it was a five. But. But, but. Okay, we'll call it a five. And it was. Andrew, that bathroom was exactly what I was worried it would be. Just one of those ones where it's like, I guess. I guess you could technically lock the entire room. But, you know, you go in, it's like there's a toilet and a urinal, and there's no separation between the toilet and urinal. There's no. There's not like a little, you know, door that you go into a stall to use the toilet, which also, in most dive bars is adequate. Is inadequate.

[Andrew]

No.

[Luke]

And then just like. There's just the idea of, like, being in there, having that moment, having to go to the bathroom like that. And then just like drunk people walking in to use the urinal or whatever. Or just like. Or you lock the door and then people, like, banging on the door to get in.

[Andrew]

And then you have to eventually walk out and face the crowd.

[Luke]

Exactly. And so that, to me, that's worse than the woods, because at least in the woods, I mean, at worst, you'll get judged by a bobcat.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I suppose I was picturing sort of a woods ceremony where there's a bunch of cloaked figures in a circle around me. You know, young Goodman Brown had an outsized impact on me. So, Liz, listen, putting aside the bathroom,

[Luke]

talking about the goddess is alive and magic is afoot.

[Andrew]

This is. Is that from young Goodman Brown? Do you have.

[Luke]

No, that was, like, on a lot of bumper stuff. That was a bumper sticker. I think that's some Wiccan folks. When I was growing up, I used to see Wiccan bumper stickers in Seattle. And one of them was, the Goddess is alive and magic is afoot.

[Andrew]

Oh, I like that. I was just making sure that I am right about this. Yeah. Young Goodman Brown. Is that Hawthorne book. I don't know if you ever read it. It's about Puritanism. Anyway, this is not even a story. It's just something I want to ask you, and then we can maybe just go to break, because I have a feeling this probably fizzle out as a conversation, but I was on a flight somewhat recently, maybe Vegas or something, and they handed out those little pretzels. I was on a dots No, I don't think they have dots. They have stellar brand pretzels. I'm looking at them now.

[Luke]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

No, and they're like little rage, they call them.

[Luke]

Yes. They're so flavor blasted and they're so buttery.

[Andrew]

That's funny because I don't think of them as flavor blasted. I actually have a bit of a. I don't like things that are overly flavor blasted. Like, I think of like those potato chips or, you know, I guess I like barbecue Fritos. That's the most flavor blast I will deal with. But that is flavor blasted to me. I feel like if you get the regular kind, which I had had before, they're like. They are very buttery and good. And they're little pretzel twists. I wasn't sure if you'd even tried them because I know that you're not like, just, you know, eating carbs just for the sake of eating carbs or whatever, but on the flight this last flight I took, they had a flavor called Maui Monk. I assume it was maybe monk fruit or something. Holy macaroons, Luke.

[Luke]

It's kind of like onion thing, right?

[Andrew]

Maybe. I don't even know how to describe it, but it was. It was like a little bit of tang and a little bit of sweetness. But again, I didn't think of it as being over the top flavor blasted. I. I couldn't believe how good they were.

[Luke]

Yeah, I've. I've had those before, and they're very yummy. They are very rich. And I both always feel like there is not enough in the bag. And then also, I ate too many.

[Andrew]

Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah.

[Luke]

It's like, you know. But then I usually get to eat Becca's if she's flying with me. But. Oh, you know what I had today? I had a couple of biscoffs too.

[Andrew]

Oh, do you like that? See, I only like it on flight. I think.

[Luke]

Yes. I've never, like. Sun chips are endemic to the Subway sandwich franchise. I feel like Biscoff cookies are. I've never seen one, not on an airplane. That's the only place I've ever seen them. And I've been skipping them for years. And then I was like, one time, I think maybe I was just extra hungry or, I don't know, bored. And I ate when I was like, this is good. I like this now. So now I like. I always eat those little Biscoff cookies,

[Andrew]

but it's a similar journey for me. I would always sort of turn up my nose with them. And now they're Kind of. Are they like gingerbread cookies?

[Luke]

Yeah, there's a little hint of gingerbread in there.

[Andrew]

They're not too bad.

[Luke]

I need to be careful, though, eating all these cookies and pretzels and things if I'm going to continue. Look smacksing. Andrew, I cannot have. What happened to clavicular. I mean, you already. You've been. Did you and Veeves talk about this on after these messages?

[Andrew]

No. What's the update on Clavicular?

[Luke]

Clav? Andrew, this is maybe the only important news story in the world right now. Clavicular was just absolutely brutally frame mugged.

[Andrew]

Oh, no.

[Luke]

In Arizona by the. I think he's the president of a fraternity at asu.

[Andrew]

He was, and it's what happened.

[Luke]

Only thing. So remember we were talking last week about how clavicular will go mogging people.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Meaning he'll stand next to them and he'll look better to them and then them. And then they are mogged. Well, the mogger has become the Maggie.

[Andrew]

They. Somebody. A bunch of frat guys mogged him.

[Luke]

A frat guy, a crazy buff frat guy was standing behind him while he was doing his stream. And Clavicular had no idea that he was, in fact, now the recipient of a mogging.

[Andrew]

I'm trying to figure this out. Clavicular. I have trouble saying that. Mogged by fan. I just keep on getting, like, all these New York Times, like, reaction pieces and, like, reaction to that New York Times piece about him. I'm not getting that. I think I need to be on TikTok to maybe get to figure out maybe so happened here.

[Luke]

It's so funny, though, because now the students of Arizona State University have set up an entire, like, shrine with candles and flowers to the place where Clavicular got. Got brutally frame mugged by this other guy. There's literally like a candlelight vigil for Clavicular for how mugged he got by this other kid.

[Andrew]

Oh, I love this headline so much because a clip of streamer. This is from the Daily Dot always coming through for me. A clip of streamer.

[Luke]

I'm more of a India guy.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I know. A clip of streamer Clavicular getting frame mogged by a frat guy has turned into the latest copy pasta meme, which I love. A copy pasta was the answer to some New York Times puzzle. It couldn't have been. It couldn't have been wordle based on the number of letters in that. So it must have been a connections thing. And everybody, or not everybody, but a few of my friends on the Text chain on the wordle text chain were furious about copy pasta, thinking it was a made up word. And here it is right here in the. As you said it, Luke, the most important headline of our day. He was frame mogged by a frat guy. It's turned into the latest copypasta meme. Oh, yeah, look at this guy. Yeah, he's really, really buff.

[Luke]

I mean, honestly, I think the buff kid is too buff.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I know. I mean, well, that's the thing, right?

[Luke]

He's like. He's like. I don't think that's you can you. You know, you could look smacks into the void, and then the void looks Max's back. You know what I mean?

[Andrew]

Like, so how did he hand. How did Clavicular handle this?

[Luke]

Unclear right now. Because, like, that's the thing. I don't. I don't know if in the moment he even realized he was being mogged. You know what I mean? And so, like, I don't know, I was literally having this thought, like, I could this be the undoing of Clavicular?

[Andrew]

Oh, and then where will we be?

[Luke]

Well, just because the only currency in this world of whatever it is he's doing is if people. It's sort of like money, right? If you've all decided it has value, then I guess it can have value. And then if. If. If all of a sudden it's like, oh, man, Clavicular got rip. Clavicular. He got totally mogged. And if all of a sudden he's just seen as, like, you know, the butt of the joke instead of the maker of the joke, he could literally just, like, the whole thing could fall apart because it's not built on anything real.

[Andrew]

Have you watched the video of it or only seen the. The photo?

[Luke]

So I think I saw a video of it on TikTok on the flight.

[Andrew]

Can I play this? It's like 10 seconds, please. Appreciate you, Crimson. Well, this is great sound. I feel like the sound brings me closer to the story. What about you?

[Luke]

Yes. Oh, it's a way in. I think it's a way into the piece because I looked at this today because I was looking up at the frame logging that was happening to Clavicular. I then started getting immediately on the algorithm. I started getting. I was trying to do real work, by the way, but I couldn't log into my CBS travel filing system because it needs to do dual authentication. And for some reason, it doesn't like to text me on the plane. Like, I have the Internet on the plane. But when I Get to that screen and. And then it says, we're going to send you a code. It kind of never. And then I land and then the code comes through eight times. Something about. There's something about it doesn't like to text you the code properly. So this is the reason why I had to just look at looks maxing and frame mogging for a significant portion of.

[Andrew]

Well, I don't, to be honest with you, and I'm not looking to be offended here, but I'm a little insulted by that. You said you were trying to do real work, as in research for CBS is more important than the content that you're bringing to this show. And frame mogging is content for tbtl. And this is work and this is real work. And it's part of our lives.

[Luke]

It's, it's, it is the essential question of our time. This is art.

[Andrew]

Absolutely.

[Luke]

And so I started getting all of this look smacking content and it was like. So one of the things that these guys do is they. Are you seeing it too?

[Andrew]

No, what I'm seeing is one of the funniest things I've ever seen before. Somebody has made a meme of a bunch as a black and white photo of a bunch of World War II soldiers and there's like four of them in frame and they're all holding newspapers and they photoshopped it so that there's a huge headline on each newspaper that says clavicular mogged. And it is the funniest image I've ever seen in my life. It's gotta be the show pic. Sorry to interrupt.

[Luke]

That's great. No, we like that. We, we're all about real time reactions on this show. It's dynamic, it's live, it's all happening. So one of the things that they'll do that I think. I don't know if Clavicular invented this or popularized it, but they will because he's all. He's obsessed with this idea of like the ratio of your face. You know, you want to have a wide jaw, you want to have certain bones sticking out or whatever. And so he will hit himself with this like metal hammer, like object on his, like orbital, like right under, kind of under into the side of his eye. And then the idea is that you make these. I don't know if this is really what's happening, if he's actually breaking his face or if just it's a bit because he knows it'll get attention. But the theory of it is you're hitting your bone with this like metal, not just like a regular hammer, something kind of rounder, but. And then you make these little micro fractures, and then the bone grows back stronger and bigger. And so you get these, like. You get these, like, supposedly these, like, large, I guess, cheekbones or whatever they are. So, yeah, that was a. That was a big part of my morning was just, you know, going even further down the look. Smacking, mogging, rabbit hole. I heard Alyssa Liu. Oh, by the way, I guess she's asked that people say her last name. Lou.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Luke]

Which is. It's interesting because I saw another actor, his name is Simon Liu, and he was talking about this. I believe he was talking about this basically, like, kind of going. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's. Liu is closer to how it would be pronounced, like, you know, in, I guess, Mandarin or whatever. Obviously, people get to. People can say. People can say. Say, you know, they can ask that you pronounce their name however they want you to, you know, but, like, there's a lot of folks that have the same last name as Alyssa Leo. Who would say. Who would use Liu. She wants to use Lou. So in case people are tracking why I'm shifting how I'm saying her last name, it's. I'm trying to be responsive to what she has made her wishes known to be. But she was talking about mogging. She's, like, brought up like, this is just one of these things that, like, a week ago, I literally never heard the word. And now I feel like. Are all of. Is everyone under 25 just. Has everyone under 25 been just gooning and mogging and just using these. Don't look that up, kids. Don't look it up if you're under 18. But, like, it's just so funny when there's. I mean, and it's all just so silly anyway, but, like, when there's this, like, a word or a term or a whatever, a behavior that I had no idea was a thing 10 days ago, and now it's almost the only content that I am consuming.

[Andrew]

So I'm gonna ask you to do something that I usually ask you to do the opposite of. But before we go to break here, will you just look at your phone and look at the photo that I just sent you and just tell me why I think it's so funny. I mean, I already described it to you, but somehow the actual photo is so much funnier than the description. Or maybe it was funny to me because I didn't know it was coming, and now I've oversold it to You. But these.

[Luke]

Oh my gosh, it's great.

[Andrew]

No, it's really good today. That might be my profile pic going forward.

[Luke]

I mean, that's incredible. And also like, I mean part of why this is so good is because it was presumably made by somebody who is, you know, born like, you know, post 9 11. Right. Like somebody who's probably 20 years old, 22 years old. So they're, I mean, good on them for then going back and finding one of these, you know, like a photo like you know, V day or whatever, reading about like, you know, American Triumph. Like, I like that this is a joke. It, you know, I like that this is a very new joke, but also in a kind of old format that I'm impressed that like a 22 year old knows about.

[Andrew]

Yes. And that it actually is a bit of social commentary. You know what I mean? It's not just a silly joke. And honestly, when it comes to like, because I've been seeing some like, you know, very earnest postings, I haven't read the articles, but you know, it's blue sky. What are you going to do? Like some very earnest kind of like articles and think pieces about how like don't just start letting these terms mogging like they come from such an insidious place.

[Luke]

Like don't gross.

[Andrew]

And it is. And you know, maybe for our listeners who are getting ready to email us and saying this isn't a laughing matter, this is really gross clavicular. Singing that I love Nazis Kanye song or whatever. Again, there's a whole sentence that you could. I'd love to see a diagram that. But so obviously it's all bad. We're just trying to giggle wherever we frickin can these days. And if I can't make fun of clavicular, who can I make fun of? But what I like about both this clavicular mog, like they are actually taking in this photo, they are making a social statement saying like just imagine how earlier generations who had real who were in the trenches would be thinking about clavicular right now. But I also would say the one thing that you were sort of saying about like I'll even group in gooning since you raised the specter of it. Or mogging or other things that the listener shouldn't look up. They irritate me less because they have an actual meaning. Like that whole skibidi thing, I never

[Luke]

went or six, seven.

[Andrew]

Yeah, six, seven. Yeah. Even then I'm a little bit more like okay about it. It's become such a cultural thing. It's like, okay, whatever. But like the skibidi thing, that was just like nonsen and like a bunch of like five year old somehow convinced adults that that is what we should be. Skibidi toilet. Like, I'm just like. I was always against that and I never really thought it was a thing. It was just like actual child talk. Which is totally fine for the children, but I was always very irritated by pop culture for picking that up too much. You know what I mean?

[Luke]

Right. Totally. And the fact that. Yeah, you're right. At least with these other things they are. I guess, I guess we're gonna say they're a verb.

[Andrew]

They're. Well, they're a way, they're a way of communicating an action or something. You know, they're, they do describe something. It's not like, hey, we just made up something really, really just totally random. And now we're going to get everybody to say it and then we're going to giggle again. Children can act like children. I didn't like the fact that we all kind of chased that.

[Luke]

I was surprised at. You know, I went to that bingo thing in Olathe, Kansas. It was like a big turnout because the prize was very big. 30 plus thousand dollars for this one game they were playing. Woo. Packed house. Very America, very American. Like pledge of Allegiance before we started the bingo. And the guy leading it said with reverence. Wow. Which it's been a while since I've been in a room.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Where 300 people are reciting the pledge of Allegiance with reverence.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And a couple of things that were kind of. Well, one, somebody said six, seven. And everyone laughed and I could not because there was still like a smattering of children there was. There. But like.

[Andrew]

But for the most part, six, seven was the lowest age.

[Luke]

Exactly. And maybe seven, six.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Like so the idea that that and, and like the room laughed like that. The, the, the penetration, if you will, of that. Whatever the hell 6, 7 was. I was kind of shocked.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

That in that room it played. The other thing that was so kind of interesting about it was it was a lot of folks who happened to be older who, you know, they would announce the, they would announce the, the number B7 or whatever. B11. They also had it all on camera. Like, you know, the ball comes out of the thing and there's TVs in all the corners of the room keeping an eye on things and it lights up the, the board, you know, the bingo scoreboard. So. But people were really. I had, I had this one woman approach Me and our producer David. And she said, hi, I'm with a 96 year old woman and she has a really difficult time hearing the guy running the bingo thing said that we were supposed to be really loud because that would be better tv. But we can't hear if there's any noise. We can't hear the numbers that are being called. I was like, well, listen, we don't want to ruin the bingo game. We didn't ask anybody to be extra loud. We're fine with whatever you do normally.

[Andrew]

Just be yourself.

[Luke]

And this is what I always say to folks about this TV stuff is like, I would like you to be as much as possible acting exactly like you would be if we weren't here. That's, that's the ideal. We're just trying to document what's going on and we certainly don't want to make the experience worse for people by having it be extra noisy. And so the bingo game starts and people are still getting seated. People are kind of hyped, kind of excited. So there's what I thought to be a very minimal amount of small talk going on. And then you just have this guy, this bear of a man, probably in his 70s, in like kind of like a jumpsuit, like maybe just got done at his like machinist job or something. And he just, again, we've just pledged allegiance to the flag. It's, it's a, it's a fundraiser for the, you know, American Legion of Olathe, Kansas. And I didn't even realize people were talking a little bit. And this guy, he just goes shut the F. But he doesn't say the F. He says the real word. Shut the bleep up in like. First of all, you know how I get like. I'm very triggered by unexpected loud sounds. I was standing like four feet from

[Andrew]

him and I'm sorry, who is he talking to?

[Luke]

He is yelling. He wants everyone in the room, when they're playing bingo, or if they're just in the room doing, selling the, you know, concessions or whatever, to be silent while the numbers are being called. Because if it gets noisier and noisier, if people are talking, I guess then you can't hear the numbers. Again, you could look at the numbers. Although I guess maybe if you're somebody who's, who's at a certain age and you have some hearing trouble, maybe also seeing the TV screens could be kind of tough. Sure. So by the, by the time they got to the big games, so they had, there was 24 bingo games and the first 12 were like, you know, they were slightly less. The prize pool wasn't quite as much. But when you this for the second half of the night, these were like $500 games and 250 and there was a 750 game. Andrew, when I tell you, you could hear a pin drop in that place. It was, it was weird because it's like, I think of bingo is like at the Eagles with you guys and I don't feel like anyone's ever yelled, be quiet.

[Andrew]

No, no, no. People have yelled all kinds of other things, but it's usually more of a partying crowd.

[Luke]

Totally. And that's, I guess what I thought, you know, it was going to be like. This was a different animal. What I was seeing in Olathe, Kansas. It was like again, total silence when the numbers were being read. And like, I mean it was a lot of money on the line and people were having fun too. But it was just funny because my. The way I think of bingo is like drag bingo or like eagles bingo. And it's like, it's almost just kind of an excuse to have some beer and throw these crumpled, pulled up, you know, bingo cards at your friends after they win or whatever. This was not quite as loosey goosey as I was.

[Andrew]

It's a lot of money on the line.

[Luke]

Yeah. Oh, and then, so then they have this thing called the Queen of hearts drawing. And this was the thing that was $33,000. And the way that works is. Do you know about this? One of these things?

[Andrew]

I pretty sure this is what we have on the wall at the Eagles, but I've never participated in it. Is this with all the little envelopes that a card slips in and they pull out a card?

[Luke]

Yes, essentially. Yeah.

[Andrew]

So.

[Luke]

So it's just a side raffle. It's not a bingo game. You can buy as many tickets as you want. And then, you know, they put it in this big drum. It's got all these tickets in it. It starts out with. It starts, you know, when someone hits it. It goes down to some minimal number. But this one had been going for I think a year or something already. That's how it got to $35,000. And basically the way it works is there's this big. They have this big poster board like thing that has 52 cards on it. It. But they're all. It's like when you, when you pull a window and pull tabs kind of thing. So you got the cards but you don't know what's behind. Yeah, you pull the Back of a card off and you get the whatever, the something, you know, ace of spades or whatever. Go real Lemmy on it. But so what happens, of course, is the prize pot grows and grows and grows. And there's also now fewer and fewer and fewer cards that we don't know what the card is. So it was down to four cards.

[Andrew]

Damn.

[Luke]

And this guy, like, they pull his number out and he comes up. I'm like, this is lifechanging moneya Kansas. I mean, anywhere, really. And like, and like, this guy goes up and he's got one in four chance and he doesn't pull it.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Damn it. And I was like, it was, it was, it was interesting because I get anything.

[Andrew]

Does he get, like, something?

[Luke]

Yeah, like, I think 50 bucks or something. It's, it's, it drops way down. But, like, I was just like, like I was wondering if I was that guy, if I'd almost wished I wouldn't have had my name drawn. Like, I wonder if it's, you know, if it's, if it's, if it's worse to not have had the chance or to have had the chance and to know that if I just would have gone to one of these other four left, you know, leftover cards, I could be a 35,000 there right now. And now I'm not. I, I, I wonder. He, he was, let me put it this way, he looked a little grim walking away from the stage.

[Andrew]

Yeah. You can't help but to picture. Yeah. I mean, that money. Now it's three. And I almost wonder, what if the next two people also have bad luck and it's down to one. You just leave the card in there and basically whoever wins the raffle just knows that they won. They don't even really have to pull the card.

[Luke]

I guess that although I feel like

[Andrew]

there could be some Encyclopedia Brown. Are you getting, like, Encyclopedia Brown vibes around this? There's only one card left, but it turns out it's still not the ace of spades. And somehow Bugs Meanie.

[Luke]

Bugs Meanie is at it again.

[Andrew]

Yeah, is that, I don't know why I'm getting this vibe.

[Luke]

Well, the people take this very seriously. I was talking to one of the American Legion, you know, officers or whatever. He's like a motorcycle guy. He's a veteran, and he's like, I wear a lot of hats here. He's one of those kind of guys. He's got, like, a leather vest on that has all of the different things he does associated with the American Legion, including, he's their press officer. He's got a press officer patch on his, like, leather. His. His leather, you know, motorcycle vest or whatever. He was actually a sweet dude, but he was like. He goes every time I'm up here because he does, he does the drawing sometimes and he goes, I pray to God it's not someone that I know. It's not my wife who plays. That's my wife.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Like, there was this guy from a different American Legion who, when it was 70,000, that's the guy that won it. And apparently it was a scandal because it was someone who wasn't part of the Olathe Legion. So it felt like some interloper. Somebody came, you know, came over from wherever else and won. And it was. Everyone was mad. And they also thought like, because that guy is part of the. They're called the Riders. I think they're like veterans who like motorcycles who somehow turn that into their personality vis a vis the American Legion. But it was. I was like, yeah, dude, snowflakes. I'm guessing pretty much with reverence.

[Andrew]

You know, Luke, I was thinking about this this weekend because Veeves and I were in Gig harbor and we saw an Eagles. I don't know, we. If, if you've ever been to the Eagles in Gig Harbor, I don't know why you would be. But Vivian and I rarely do this. We're like, well, let's just go in. Like, let's just see what the deal is. It's fun to see what's going on. It's actually a really, really nice, nice one. And I saw the dice game and I thought, I don't know if I would have played it anyway. But I was like, no, not here. And I know that I've had that thought before. I think maybe when visiting like the, like the Eagles maybe in Ballard or something, which I also did a couple of months ago. I, probably overly so, am so self conscious of being in somebody else's sort of turf. Not that the Eagles are turfy, but just that you don't want to come in and play the dice game that a bunch of people have been rolling every single night for a while and then you win 500 bucks or something and that'd be pretty sweet for me. But then it's kind of like, I don't know, that just seems like a bad looked. That just seems like a bad vibes to me.

[Luke]

Right. And of course, the fact that you wouldn't want to win it because you'd be worried about the vibes would be why you would Win it.

[Andrew]

Right, right, exactly.

[Luke]

That's how Jinx and things like that work. At one point we were like, well, should I, you know, would it be a more fun, more interactive, you know, I don't know, part of the story if I'm playing along or something? And I was like, yeah, but I don't want to win. Yeah, right.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

I don't want the guy from the TV guy to come in and then win and then, you know, know, that would just. Would look sus.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I mean, I guess you could set it up and just say, hey, listen, just consider these dummy cards like I'm going to play along and if I win, I'll yell bingo. But not take the money or something. But then that would confuse the story, I suppose.

[Luke]

On Friday night, I'm going to Indianapolis from here to attend something we're going to film called Bingo Loco, which is like apparently like part race cave, part bingo. I don't think anyone there is allowed to yell, quiet down. I think the whole idea is that it's loud and raucous. So I'll give you a full report on Monday about how Bingo Loco was. We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle.

[Commentator]

On your mark.

[Luke]

On your mark.

[Andrew]

Get set, get set now. Ready? Ready, Go.

[Luke]

Everybody RATTLES Dazzle. All right, let's do some thinking of some dad. Dazzling donors. These folks are donating a dazzling amount of dough and it is the financial lifeblood of the show. This is 100% listener supported podcasting going on here. We want to thank BK Bleakley, who's in San Diego, California. I bet you it is a lot warmer in San Diego than it is here in Chicago.

[Andrew]

It was pretty snowy there, too. Windy.

[Luke]

It's not snowy, it's just cold. Just lake effectively, I guess. BK says I became a dazzler a few years ago and I was so nervous about my inaugural dazzling message in early 2024. But the reading was amazing. Paula Poundstone reminiscences. Very kind words about my choice of charity. A real awe from Luke. Everything I could have asked for. Oh, I'm glad, BK, we. We aim to please. Then the rest of 2024 happens. Happened. My charity imploded in an embezzlement scandal.

[Andrew]

Geez. Now, I think that that is the. I mean, just to be very clear, that is the charity that BK was kind of talking about in their dazzling donor message, right? Not. Not BK's actual charity.

[Luke]

No, no. Yeah, I don't think this is. I Think it was. Yeah. The charity that BK was advocating for turned out to have some. Some. Some problems. Problems. BK says I had to quit listening to a bunch of my podcasts for four months because they were too smug ahead of the election and too depressed after. Also, the election itself. Two household moves in 12 months and my husband's health taking a serious hit. Oh, I'm sorry, bk. So I didn't do a message last year. I was entirely focused on getting through tough times. Okay. I want all three business boys to know that TBTL was quite literally a bright spot in my life. Life five days a week through the blurst of times. And I'm so grateful that I'm able to continue contributing at the dazzling donor level to keep the show going. I'm a much better person. I'm in a much better place now. And yet I still miss TBTL on weekends. You guys are all doing your jobs well.

[Andrew]

Wow. Wow. Thank you.

[Luke]

That's incredible, bk. What a. What a What. What a nice compliment. I would kind of figure. I think I said this yesterday on the show, like, I'm like, I gotta get some new stories or something. I mean, thank God for mogging, right?

[Andrew]

Yeah, right.

[Luke]

Thank. Came in at the exact right moment. But, like, the idea that BK on a Saturday would be like, hey, I would still actually accept more tbtl, that's pretty amazing. I think, you know, we do. We'd have worn out our welcome by Friday.

[Andrew]

Did you say that you. What did you mean when you said sometimes you're running out of stories? You mean podcasts to listen to or stories to bring the TBT things for

[Luke]

me to say to you?

[Andrew]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Luke]

On the air, just kind of like, like, you know, I. I'm. I'm constantly shocked and humbled by the fact that people have been listening to the show for many, many, many years. Because I just think, like, I, I, you know, when I'm having a less confident moment, I'm just feeling like, you know, I don't know, am I just retreading the same, you know, the same four stories or whatever, but, but people like bk, they. They're. They're ride or die, and we really appreciate it. BK says this year I want to shout out Outstanding. It's an amazing site that has compiled links to all kinds of organizations that are providing aid to those that are hiding in their homes, have likely lost their jobs, are unable to shop for groceries or pay rent, etc. I can't think of another cause more worthy. Thanks, bizboys. What you do is so important. So that website again is standwithminnesota.com on the subject of which our friend Michelle sent us a little note, a little link to an article. Well, knock me over with a, with a coal smoked char charred pork chop. Andrew Mancini's char house raised like $35,000 to help support basically like, you know, the organization. Yeah, the, basically the, the, the put. The resist movement.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

In the Twin Cities.

[Andrew]

It's amazing.

[Luke]

And, and I have to tell you, like, that was like, that was so pleasantly shocking because that place, we, we obviously we went there one night, we had an epic night at Mancini's char house. So much so that the owners, I think the, maybe he's the current owner, his dad, I think was the guy that started it, drove us home. That's how in the bag we were and how late it was. It was a very fun. Remember we met the guy who was obsessed with the local wrestling circuit. He was care. He was obsessed with Baron von Raschke the Claw.

[Andrew]

And he always knock his head to try to remember his head when he

[Luke]

would be trying to remember something or make a point. It was just such a beautiful night. But I still would have not necessarily assumed that a old classic, you know, I'll call it a steakhouse. That's not really exactly what it is.

[Andrew]

But it's a char house. Yeah, it's a char house.

[Luke]

Right. But you know, you just like, you don't know what the politics are going to be. And I mean, it's not a, you know, it wasn't a, it wasn't a vegan, you know, a vegan cafe or something. Like.

[Andrew]

Yeah, like maybe even, maybe even if their politics are good. Not necessarily. Well, we're going to stick our necks out. We're going to be on the front lines of this. We're going to. But I mean, there's something about Minnesota that I just, I remember being a young, like, kind of like a very young producer. And I think one of the producers who I worked for, like a senior producer, was maybe from Minnesota originally. And I kind of asked her to explain to me the Paul Wellstoniness of Minnesota. It didn't seem interesting because I came from the Midwest, you know what I mean? And I'm not saying that I'm not trying to paint the entire region with the same brush, but it's like a lot of those states are purple at best, or you don't know. And I was just like, what is. I didn't understand the long legacy of progressivism in the Midwest that is Minnesota

[Luke]

Yeah, no, you're right. It seems like it has. Has a special and it's. I think you're exactly right to point out, Paul Wellstone, rest in power, but just this kind of progressive, taking care of your community sort of, I think generally pro labor, just kind of like old school progressive ideals and policies. That seems something special about the state of Minnesota that seems to really prize that stuff. So thank you again, bk, for your support of the show. We really appreciate it. Hope everybody in your family is doing well and feeling better and. And yeah, thanks for hanging out with us for another year. Maestro, on your mark, on your mark.

[Andrew]

Get set, get set now. Ready, ready, Go.

[Luke]

Everybody rattle dazzle. The other dazzling donor that we want to thank is Eric Smith. He's out there on beautiful Bainbridge Island, Washington. One of the most idyllic places you could ever. You could ever be in your life.

[Andrew]

That was so lovely. I was so if I was in Gig harbor, that's kind of below. Is that below Bainbridge or just across the water or both?

[Luke]

Well, what it is, is it's kind of the Southern. I'm gonna get this wrong and somebody's gonna correct me, but it's kind of the Southern. You know, Gig harbor is down there. Kind of like you've gone. If you're coming from the Seattle side, you've gone down through Tacoma. You're either on the Narrows bridge or maybe you're about to get on the Narrows bridge or whatever. And so then you kind of do this horseshoe thing thing where if you keep going, you across 16, you go through Gig harbor and then if you start going north again just on the other side.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Of. Of the water. Now you're going north again. And then eventually you could wend your way around to Bainbridge.

[Andrew]

That's what I was thinking. Yeah.

[Luke]

Is pretty close to see. Like if we're looking at just like. What is it? Latitudes. If you're looking at latitudes. Bainbridge is not that different than Seattle. It's just on the other side of the water.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And it's where Eric Smith is. Business, boys. Another dazzling year with the Cobros. Thanks for all the spoofs and the goofs. He actually writes groofs. That might been where Eric was going.

[Andrew]

More of a groove, maybe. More of a groove. Okay, I like that.

[Luke]

Yeah, I like that. Nice one, Eric. What you do is so important. And cheers to the tens, the fives and elevens out there hoping for 2026 to be sky jinx free. All first class upgrades and Avis Wizardry Nice.

[Andrew]

That seems very catered to your wants and desires.

[Luke]

Yeah. I didn't mention pickles at all.

[Andrew]

No.

[Luke]

Mentioned almost nothing about pickles. Speaking of, what do we got? Do we have an update on that whole situation? You brought down the Cleveland pickles and a Grillo's pickle as a kind of a sort of a double blind.

[Andrew]

Did I tell you that or did you see it in my hand? I brought down the grillos because I thought maybe I need a chaser. Oh, maybe I said that before the break. That was my thought process critically.

[Luke]

What I want to know is, would the Grillo pickle like us or just think we were nerds?

[Andrew]

The. The. Like the logo. The mascot guy.

[Luke]

Yeah, he seems like.

[Andrew]

I think he's very chill. I think that this is like PD USA energy sort of maybe a little bit. Like, I think, like, I don't think the Grillo pickle guy is judging much, you know, at all. And. But here's the Cleveland. The Cleveland kitchen is a much more kind of. I don't know know. I don't know if austere is the right word, but it's a little more of a classy kind of branding. There are no.

[Luke]

Yeah, it's a little bit upscale.

[Andrew]

A little bit upscale. And there's no. There are no spokes. Pickles involved. So far as I can tell. They look good. I don't know how well you can see that, but, you know, again, this is a package very much in. In the Grillo style. I'm pulling one out here. I also have. I refilled my water in case I need a chaser, and I brought in a. A Fresca as well, so.

[Luke]

Oh, yeah. How about a Fresco?

[Andrew]

How about a Fresca? So I'm going to try this first one here. And by the way, this ties into. I assume, if we still have time. I'm very anxious about. I was almost going to say, John, don't clip this for social media. I don't like the idea of eating on camera, and that is something I share with the head of McDonald's, I think, as well. So I'm just going to take one bite of this. But just so you know, Luke, this is going to be my lunch. This is.

[Luke]

Oh, this is going to be your lunch. Okay.

[Andrew]

This is an incredible product right here. This is.

[Luke]

Do you even know how to attack it, though?

[Andrew]

This is an incredible product. So let's try this thing. Okay.

[Luke]

Hold on. He's taking a bite now. Oh, boy. It just defaulted to drum roll too long with fanfare I won't torture everyone with it. I'll give you some time. I'm just narrating now for folks. Andrew is. Took a big bite of a pickle spear. So he's chewing it. He's now in sort of quiet reflection. You can see that he's getting different sort of tasting notes, and he's just.

[Andrew]

I. I think I just crap my pants.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke]

It's.

[Andrew]

They work. These work. Is that what gut health it means? I don't know what gut health is. No, it's pretty good. You know, it does so. And I don't understand this stuff. I think that if I. If it were, like, you know, like, if I were just standing over the sink and I ate, I pulled this pickle out of a grillo's jar and somebody had, like, accidentally, like, or to play a prank on me, swapped them out or something. I don't know that I would notice the slight difference in taste. It does have a little bit more of a. And I can't tell if this is knocking on my head like that guy from Mancini's, but I. It might just be in my head, but, like, I does have maybe even a slightly brighter taste. Like a slightly more. So they made this with. They make it with living cultures. Is that the difference between. Are all pickles made with living cultures? And they're just like. They're just leaning into this idea of gut health. I feel like there's something that I'm tasting that is maybe a little bit more sparkly. Just a tiny, tiny, tiny bit.

[Luke]

Maybe there's a tiniest bit of fizz,

[Andrew]

but the tiniest of bits that. I don't know how much I trust myself on this and how much this is this.

[Luke]

The power of suggestion.

[Andrew]

But it's definitely good. And I definitely don't have to worry about, you know, like, because I have no idea how much I paid for these, but I'm guessing at sprouts, you know, sort of specialty pickles. I'm guessing these weren't the cheapest pickles I've ever bought in my life.

[Luke]

Well, that's what I. When you were talking about throwing them away one. One pickle spear at a time, I was like, if Genevieve hears about that, there's going to be. How many fubos is that? So I'm glad. I'm glad that they are edible. So that's a nice. And that's a good end to the story.

[Andrew]

That is pretty good. And I do like the fact that they're not. I'm sorry. To be talking with my mouth full, but kind of my job here. But I love grillos. I don't need them spicy, though. I don't hate the spiciness, but I want the option of non spicy grillos. And I guess maybe that's what this solves a little bit. I don't understand why it's got to be all spicy all the time.

[Commentator]

Hello and welcome. Welcome to Top Story.

[Luke]

All right, our Top Story is one we've been trying to get to for a few days. We're finally doing it now. And it is, of course the story of the McDonald's CEO eating. I think it's called the. What is it?

[Andrew]

The Archburger Arch Deluxe, I want to

[Luke]

say Arch Deluxe, which I feel like there used to be. I don't know if they're bringing this back. There was something called the Arch Deluxe back in the day that I loved when I was like a kid or a teenager. I thought it was really good.

[Andrew]

What made it.

[Luke]

Well, it. I remember my memory of it, I could be wrong because it was a long time ago now, but it was like, it had mayo. It had like, it had mayo and lettuce, which I guess a lot of their sandwiches do. But somehow it just, it was, you know what it was? It seemed like a more premium kind of a burger.

[Andrew]

You are right, though. It was 96. I'm sorry to cut you off, but you're absolutely right. It was a Sambur burger sold by the international fast food restaurant McDonald's in 1996 and marketed specifically to adults.

[Luke]

Ah, yes, that's what it was. They were trying to, you know, be like, we're making good, high quality hamburgers. And I'll tell you, I thought it was pretty good and high quality. So I guess they're bringing it back or they're doing some spin on it. And so because abc, always be contenting because we have to, you know, we live in a world now where, you know, if you work in comms for McDonald's, you just have to, you have to find every opportunity to try to create memorable content around your products. And boy, did they, I don't think, for the reasons that they necessarily intended. Do you have the name of the CEO of McDonald's in front of you?

[Andrew]

I don't. I can look it up. One thing that I'm noticing that I think is notable though, here is I'm on the Wikipedia page for the Arch Deluxe and it's not mentioning anything about this viral video, like how this has become news, like, how are the Wikipedia authors not adding this latest installment of the Arch Deluxe saga. I'm being kind of serious here.

[Luke]

No, that is, I mean, yeah, that would be maybe the most interesting thing about this, this whole thing. By the way, his name is Chris Kapchinsky. I think he goes by like, Chris K or something. He has like, like a, some kind of a cool. He says it in the video too. Like, and, and just if you haven't seen the video, this guy is a very, very straight laced, appearing individual. He's very trim, he's wearing a collared shirt under a V neck sweater. He has that. I just, I mean. Well, first of all, to be the CEO of McDonald's, you've probably had to go to business school. And like, just one look at this guy and I was like, this is a Harvard Business School guy. Like, without a doubt. This is, you know. You know, this is probably not a guy who worked his way up from the fryer and just eventually took over the company. This is a, this is a person. He went to Duke, he went to Harvard Business School. He's, he's a business boy. He also looks like he's a, you know, very. Like, my guess would be he also runs marathons on the side. You know, he just seems like.

[Andrew]

And again, you know, if you don't mind me, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I, I just need to correct the record. This is not the Arch Toys Deluxe. That, and that's why we're not seeing this on the website. This is something called the Big Arch, I guess. So this is not the Arch Deluxe. I guess that name was just lodged in my, in my brain from the past.

[Luke]

Gotcha. So they decide that they're gonna do this video where he's gonna eat one of these Big Arch burgers and, and, and, and enjoy it and how delicious it is. And, and that will just be some good, you know, Instagram content for people and will maybe inspire people to want to go try this burger. Burger. Now, the problem is that a, the guy just is a little stiff on camera. Which, listen, as a person who kind of works in television and I talk to a lot of people like this, I'm, I'm, I'm often shocked at how little charisma some people have when their job should be mostly charisma. Like, because it's, you know, it's also kind of a job of being a quant. You know, just being like a numbers person and being like, we gotta, you know, we gotta up this sale and we gotta. To identify, softening, you know, parts of our marketplace that are soft and, you know, it's a. So that person who's maybe good at that side of it is not always going to be, like, the most dynamic person on camera. And this guy is, you know, pretty, pretty low key. But he also is using, as you will hear, like, a lot of corporate speak, like, what he does not come off in the video is being a person who eats at McDonald's at all.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Luke]

Like, it is so. It is so unbelievably apparent right away that this. He's. He doesn't seem very comfortable holding what he calls the product. He doesn't like, it's like, it just. It feels very much like, you know, the CEO of McDonald's is trying to pretend that he eats McDonald's food. And it really shows. At least that's how it kind of comes off. Let me play you the original video of him. And then I've got a reaction video that I thought the guy made some pretty good points, but here we go.

[Guest/Contributor]

Chris K. Here with. You've heard about it. Here it is, the big arch. This is something that we have tested already in Portugal, Germany, Canada. I love this product. It is so good.

[Andrew]

I'm going to do like, I love this product.

[Luke]

It's so. This is the most CEO speak, like, I've ever heard. Like, and also just what he thinks. And I'm, again, I'm not trying to probably a sweet guy.

[Andrew]

Like, you know, he seems like a sweet guy.

[Luke]

Yeah. So I'm not trying to roast him, but, like, this is exactly the kind of thing for some reason, of course, because I have to center myself in every conversation. Sometimes we'll be interviewing someone, you know, for a CBS story, and there'll be someone in corporate America. And it's almost always. They're like, they want to point out some part of the story that is not generally of interest to people, but because it's their world. So, for instance, nobody needs to know that it's been tested in Portugal. Yeah. Like, that's not.

[Andrew]

You're not leading with that. Like, that is like the most un. I'm, by the way, just so you know, I'm not with the hordes of people who are like, who just think that this is the. The most embarrassing thing in the world. I'm sort of mid on this. And like you say, he actually seems like a sweet guy. I don't think they should have made this video. But it's not. It's not over the top to me. But yet the very first, if you want to advertise your or, you know, just pump up your burger. Like, only somebody who is watching charts go up and down like they do in. In, you know, business school, I assume, would start by saying, we're so excited about this. We tested it in Portugal. Yeah.

[Luke]

That is such a weird way to get into the topic of a big, delicious hamburger. Let's see here.

[Guest/Contributor]

Do a tasting right now. But I'm gonna eat this for my lunch, just so you know. So here we go first.

[Andrew]

Holy cow.

[Guest/Contributor]

God, that is a big burger. We've got a very unique kind of sesame poppy sort of bun on it,

[Luke]

by the way, this is where I empathize with him because as I've been saying a lot on the show of late, for some reason, I am bad at talking about food. Like, if you set me up with one of these burgers and said, like, you know, take a bite of it and tell us about it, I would be struggling more mightily than he is.

[Andrew]

So counterpoint. You aren't the head of what is likely to be the biggest restaurant chain in the world.

[Luke]

That's. You know what? I think that's a valid counterpoint. That is a very valid counterpoint. Here we go. Here's more of this guy.

[Guest/Contributor]

We've got two quarter pound patties, a delicious big arch sauce.

[Luke]

So that's a. That's a half a pound. If I just did. I did that math just right, right off the dome.

[Andrew]

I'll be honest with you. It's so rare that I go to McDonald's. And if I do, it'll be usually be like some sort of like, maybe breakfast thing. I told you, like, maybe if I'm, you know, watching my friend's cats and I passed at McDonald's on a random morning, I might stop in. But, like, can't remember the last time I had a burger for lunch from McDonald's. And. But when I did do that, like, throughout college and young adulthood, I'll get a double quarter pounder. That was my go to. I don't know if that sounds excessive to people. Double quarter pounder, no cheese, ketchup and pickles and onions, my friend.

[Luke]

Everybody gets, like, what they like. But for me, the thing that makes the Quarter Pounder is that American cheese. I love that American cheese so much. It's a beautiful cheese. I love your cheese. All right, here's more from this guy.

[Guest/Contributor]

And of course, some lettuce, so. Oh, there's so much going on with this. First of all, let's try to get this thing. I don't even Know how to attack it. Got so much to it. Oh, there's also some crispy onions on here as well. I see those kind of coming out. All right, the moment of truth.

[Luke]

Now, here's something that is pointed out in the reaction video that we'll play next. He takes a bite of this burger. Andrew, that is. Is, I would say, imperceptible.

[Guest/Contributor]

The.

[Luke]

He makes absolutely no noticeable change in the. The circumference, the diameter. I'm not a math guy. Like, it almost. I don't think he took a pretend bite, but it almost looks like he's doing a pretend bite.

[Andrew]

You just put it up to his lips.

[Luke]

Yeah, Basically, like, it's. It is like the whole thing is. They're like, you know, this is a double patty, and this is, you know, this big, juicy burger, and it's going to fill you up, and everything's like, you need, like, get the fry cook in there and have him just freaking mog the shit out of this thing. You know, not, like, delicately take. Because of course, he's in CEO brain. So his thought is like, well, I can't get, like, mayo all over my face. I'm trying to, like. I'm trying to look presentable while eating this burger. But I think it'd be more compelling if he wasn't. If he just, you know, just fully dove in, like a cartoon character into the burger.

[Andrew]

I don't think you're getting into this, so hopefully this isn't a spoiler that ruins the conversation. But did you happen to see the. The CEO of Burger King like, took a bite of whatever their version of this is, and it's just, like, so at ease with himself and just takes a big, messy bite and says, oh, you need a napkin. But he's, like, kind of. He's kind of got this effortless handsomeness to him, and it's just like. It is the complete opposite of it. I think they did that in reaction to this, or it was just. I think they did, too.

[Luke]

I saw a headline. I didn't.

[Andrew]

Pretty good. They didn't make a huge deal of it, but it was just. It was kind of a dunk.

[Luke]

I mean, shouldn't they have had the king do it?

[Andrew]

That would be something. Yeah.

[Luke]

Just this weird. I mean, who knows what goes on in that guy's brain? Unsettling.

[Andrew]

That was. Was it a creation of or. I believe the first commercials starring that creepy ass king were directed by your friend go off.

[Luke]

Creepy ass King.

[Andrew]

Reuben Fleischman, by the way.

[Luke]

Oh, okay. Sure.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

That whole it's like part Guy Fawkes. It's weird vendetta. It really is.

[Guest/Contributor]

You're right.

[Luke]

Subservient chicken. Cannot speak. Will not speak.

[Andrew]

It's like the energy is weird. I Burger was the name of the show about him. It's an I robot joke. It didn't work. Let's move on, huh?

[Luke]

Here we go.

[Guest/Contributor]

That is so good. That's a big bite for a Big arch. It's distinctively McDonald's. Only McDonald's could do this type of burger. But it also is unlike anything else on our menu. It's a delicious product. You know, you've got sort of the cheeses and the gooey, but those crispy onions as well. Gives a nice texture. And of course, we've got the pickles. So I'm going to enjoy the rest of my lunch. But Big Arch. Try it when you can get it. Chris K. Here.

[Luke]

Oh, okay. Sorry. I thought he was going to say Chris K Out, which

[Andrew]

nobody's talking about that. I mean, the fact that he also starts by saying, just so you know, I'm just going to have a taster, but this is going to be my lunch later. It's like he's. He's definitely. And again, I. First of all, I don't blame him at all. And I think that you and I are the. On the same page. Just based on the. The. The prom I've been hearing you say about this. It's like they just shouldn't have done it with him. I mean, he should have probably also been like, I'm not the person for this. Like, it doesn't. You know what I mean? For this kind of thing, it doesn't matter what your title is, but somebody had the idea of getting the executive. You know, like, the people who work under this guy are probably so excited when they get any FaceTime with him.

[Luke]

Yes.

[Andrew]

You know, and somebody was like a huge boon for somebody to be like, I think we can get Chris Kate to. And he only. Oh, he has. His last name is somewhat hard to say. Right. You said it before. It's like an Eastern European name or something. But yeah, so he goes by Chris K. Or whatever. But you know that all the people who heard that he might be willing to do this were just like, freaking out at this idea of this guy doing it. Because he is just king of the mountain there. Right. Because in not even corporate culture, I just feel like I'm gleaning a little bit of this. I don't want to speak out of turn here, but. But like even on campus. Like I just know that if people I think get very excited when they meet Genevieve because of Genevieve's proximity to the president, just by the very nature of her title, you know what I mean? Without even really thinking about like what does that mean in reality?

[Luke]

Totally. And like I have been. Well, first of all I was involved in something like a cousin of this Carrie and I years ago somehow were in that Microsoft thing that was supposed to be, see like a, a response to like a big Apple announcement and but it was very, the whole process was really tortured and what ended up getting created by the end of it kind of made no sense and. And then they sat on it for weeks and then they put it up and then they took it down or they got criticized. It was like such a mess. But whenever these corporations try to do something that's somehow like more cash and unless you've got the right people doing it, you know, I mean you need to some, you basically need some moggers or some looks maxers or somebody doing somebody, you know, you need somebody of Alyssa Lou's generation who just is a digital native and like gets it. Because I've been in these rooms where you have the idea is we're going to do something that is like not stiff, it's just kind of like a fun thing. He's going to eat the burger or whatever. They're going to like talk about the new Apple something rather but from a Microsoft perspective. But everyone in the room who is part of the communications team, team part of the whatever, the assistant to Chris K. Everyone's buttholes are so puckered. Like it's the opposite of like a fun, casual creative environment. Even though everybody is trying to act like oh this is gonna be so fun, we're just gonna like shoot it like vertical and we'll just like, it'll just be like a cool little thing. But it's like it's so hard for all of these well paid people in suits and, and nice business attire to, to actually let anything fun and interesting and weird happen.

[Andrew]

Yeah, of course. I mean it's like oh yeah, we're gonna film it vertical. But you know, there's a million people off camera staring at him. Probably killing the vibe as well. This is a small thing, but one thing for me is like the surroundings are just so soul killing to me.

[Luke]

Is there a Tom Petty sign behind him?

[Andrew]

Oh yes, it's like Petty Ave, but I don't know if that's related to Tom Petty or not, but it's like Such a corporate. Like, if I worked in a place that had a lunchroom like this or whatever this room is, you know, like, I guess I'd be fine with it. It's. You know, it's a workplace, but it just reeks of workplace so much. It's just like. So it just looks like.

[Luke]

It just looks like the drop ceiling above him.

[Andrew]

Yeah, drop ceiling. And also. And this is just my own thing, that table. It's like one of those faux marbleish tables with, like, browns and whites. Like, that is literally my least favorite countertop look. Like, just. I just hate. There's something I hate about that so much. And there's just, like, I don't know where he should be doing this. Like, it would be interesting if he actually propped his damn phone up on his dashboard and was behind the wheel of his car. Now, I don't know that Chris K. Is driving around much on his own. Like, maybe he's in the backseat and people are driving him around. But, like, if it just had any bit of the organic feel to it, but it's just like, it just reeks of. And again, I don't even hate it as much as some people do. One thing that I thought was really interesting is. And you. Do you have the video up on your phone. I know you were playing tape from, like, kind of something that you're looking at. Okay, so are you looking at the opening kind of shot there? It says Chris K. Here. How would you describe the French fries that are awkwardly propped up to face the camera and not him?

[Luke]

We would say that those were cheated out. Andrew cheated those French fries out. Hey, can we just cheat those fries? Hey, can we. Can we get someone to cheat those fries, please? Because it's the least natural way that you would ever have the fries if you were there to eat the fries.

[Andrew]

But then. But also. So it's facing us, the camera. So clearly he's not eating the fries. They're there for us. But also, it's clearly a half a thing of fries, right? And apparently this is a whole thing. Like, it's not. There's no indication that he's been eating those fries. And apparently people who go to McDonald's a lot have been complaining about this shrinkflation situation where you have fewer and fewer fries. Can you hit play on that video and tell me what you see happen about exactly halfway through the video? Luke and I will spoil it for you while you watch.

[Luke]

I'm watching.

[Andrew]

It gets refilled. Somebody. Continuity error during one of these cuts, which you shouldn't even have cuts. It speaks again to the non natural manner of this. How many takes did they do? And I'm still watching it. There was just a cut. It's still half empty. And then we're just getting to the point now where they're gonna show it again. And suddenly it's gonna be not overflowing, but it's going to be like a full thing of fries. Which not only is it irritating from the. The bad continuity perspective, but also that somebody was like, oh, no, it looks like there aren't enough fries in there. You know what I mean? And it speaks to a complaint that our, that our kind of loyal customers have now. Oh, yeah, there it is. Now suddenly it's like a full thing of fries.

[Luke]

I mean, the irony is it's like the loaves and the fishes. He's eating the burger, the burger's getting larger. There's more fries than he started with. What is happening here?

[Andrew]

Yes, exactly. And it's better. Do you know the life lesson that I learned? I learned something about alcohol from the story of the loaves. And I'm all ears. Long before I ever had a taste of a drink in my life. And it was. So I went to. I don't know if you guys had anything called this, but CCD was like the Sunday school I would go to after mass, after church. And it was in a building next to the church and. And some teacher or probably a parent or somebody was teaching us about the loaves and the fishes. And they told all the beets that we know of that story. But they mentioned that the water that was turned into wine, that wine was even better quality wine than the wine that they had been serving at the wedding. Now, I don't know who brought this into the canon or whatever, or maybe this was just this person totally freestyling. But then they then explained, and this may be the most important thing that I ever learned in ccd, they then explained that that would be counter to tradition because you would always serve the best wines first. Because the more you drink throughout a party, the less discerning you're going to be about the quality of drink. And I was like, I'm learning stuff here, okay? Serve the good shit first.

[Luke]

I mean, that's literally my theory. If like, you know, Beck and I are going to have some wine and we're trying to decide, and there's a couple of different bottles and there's one like, nice one, and then there's one that's okay. Hey. Also, it's Interesting, because I don't know which version of the Bible. The Bible as a document had a lot added to it. And then depending on who was in power, who had the printing presses or whatever, stuff was kind of getting taken out, added in, whatever. And for a religious text, it's got a decent amount of wine talk. Yeah. Because that's where I learned old wine, new wine and old wineskins. I remember that was my big takeaway from. From, you know, 17 years of evangelical Christian education was if I do ever have old wine skins, but then the wine I have is new. Don't put it in the old wine skins. Do not. Or. Or is it. Don't put old wine in new wine skins because it'll burst them or something. It was something. It was. And I think a wine skin, it's, like, made out of, like, an animal hide or something. I think it's kind of like that. Like, almost like a. Like a musket kind of. With the gunpowder for a musket kind of.

[Andrew]

That's how I squeeze it into your mouth. That's how I picture it, too. Like, I feel like it was a Game of Thrones thing, too, between that.

[Luke]

Between old wine and new wineskins or whatever that was, and water into wine. A lot of booze talk.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And I'll always remember. This is gonna get a little bit dark, but. But also in the crucifixion scene, I remember it was a.

[Luke]

Also hammered wine on the sponge.

[Andrew]

Well, that. But I thought there was something about. Offered Jesus wine, but then when he drank it, it was gall. Do you remember this whole thing? And it. So it's like, what's gall? And also like. But I guess wine was just sort of the beverage of. Of choice, probably for freshness and the al. You know, the alcohol, probably.

[Luke]

No, you're. I do remember that part, too, about how it was, like, bitter or not good or something. But then also, depending on the version you're watching, there's also. I think. I don't know if it's like, you know, Mary Magdalene or whomever else, but they're like. I remember one. One. One movie version of it. I swear. They're like putting either wine or water on a sponge and it's on a stick, and they're trying to give it,

[Andrew]

you know, while he's carrying the cross. Yeah. I think both. I think both of our stories are right. I think maybe the gall thing is, like, once he's up there or whatever. But anyway, would you like to talk about the Shroud of Turin or are we probably good for the day.

[Luke]

Well, let me just play this really quickly.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

[Luke]

This is. This guy, I think. I think his name is Garen. I don't know if his name is Garen Noon or if it's Garen and then his last name or what. I think his Last name is no. 1. It's N O O N E. He's. I think Irish. He sounds Irish to me. But this is just him reacting to the video that I thought was pretty funny.

[Commentator]

So I've just seen a video of the McDonald's CEO eating a McDonald's and it's probably the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.

[Luke]

Oh, by the way, there's a lot of F bombs in this, but in that kind of.

[Andrew]

We, we. We were obsessed with some video this guy made a long time ago. That name, I was like, I know it. And now I'm trying to place it.

[Luke]

Is he the cheese bread guy?

[Andrew]

Maybe?

[Luke]

Cheese bread and pizza are like so similar and that. Then there's a place we had some bit we were playing where, like, I know pizza, you've got cheese bread, but now you can get your cheese bread with sauce on it.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it is. It's him. It's the garlic bread. It's basically he's. He's the one. And I can maybe start the show with that tomorrow. It's the one where he's saying, like, they have this whole scam going with, like, garlic bread and you're putting sauce on it and cheese and eventually you're just eating a pizza. But. But yes, this voice was so immediately recognizable.

[Guest/Contributor]

The big arch.

[Luke]

Whoops.

[Andrew]

This is.

[Luke]

Sorry. That's good. Yeah. Little reset, little reminder. Okay, here we go back.

[Commentator]

So I've just seen a video of the McDonald's CEO eating a McDonald's and it's probably the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.

[Guest/Contributor]

The big arch. This is something that we have tested already. Portugal, Germany, Canada.

[Commentator]

We've tested it on the Germans and the Canadians and now we believe it may even be fit for human consumption.

[Guest/Contributor]

Love this product. It is so good.

[Commentator]

I love to consume this product. Yeah, give me two burger product place. This man does not eat McDonald's. He looks like he would try and read the ingredients on the back of a banana.

[Guest/Contributor]

I do a tasting right now, but I'm going to eat this for my lunch.

[Commentator]

Just so you know, he's making excuses as to why he's not going to Eat the burger. I will allow the product to enter at a later date during my lunch. It's been tested on the Canadians.

[Guest/Contributor]

I'm not afraid of how to get this thing. I don't even know how to attack it.

[Commentator]

The man doesn't even know how to fucking hold a burger. Why'd you let him on here without any practice? He'd be less uncomfortable if he was holding the fucking nuclear cords.

[Guest/Contributor]

That is so good.

[Luke]

Mmm.

[Commentator]

That will be enough of the product for me, thank you. No, seriously, I'm stuffed. I couldn't eat another. Slight touch of the lips. The burger is the exact same shape. It's lost less weight than me since I made up my New Year's resolution, which I genuinely didn't think was possible. Anyway, that's enough of the product for both of us.

[Luke]

Now, what I think is so interesting about all of this, really, you know, this is now late stage of the whole thing, is at least when I last checked, McDonald's has not pulled this down from their Instagram.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke]

So when I was reading articles about it. Yeah. I mean, and this is, by the way, what Microsoft did that when that weird video that we were in, that. That was. It was like they. They. They vetted it through legal for way too long. And then by the time they finally put it up, everyone started roasting it, and then they took it down, which made it more so, I think. I think it's. It's like we are. Because when I, you know, when. When I was reading about this, like, I saw it bouncing around the Internet, then I was reading actual news articles about how bad it went, and they all had links to, like, the McDonald's Instagram page, which still. They had. They did not pull it down. And I just wonder if we. If we've now. If we really have broken through to this sort of like this version of our society that's just basically like. There's almost. I mean, there is such thing as bad attention. If you're McDonald's, there certainly is. There's E. Coli, there's, you know, who knows what else going on. But, like, it's almost like in a weird. In a weird way, they ended up. This has gone so much better than they could have even hoped. Because we're talking about it.

[Andrew]

Yeah, the burgers. I really am. I'm thinking about burgers more than I was before this.

[Luke]

I'm thinking about products.

[Andrew]

I'm thinking about products. I make it a product for. Are you going to get a product for lunch today? This is kind of interesting by the way. I think maybe the version that I was just watching was linked to in or is like, embedded in the Business Insider article about all of this. And it wasn't the McDonald's, you know, Instagram page that was hosting it. It's actually his personal, you know, personal slash, professional Instagram page. He goes by Chris McD, which is actually pretty good. I like that.

[Luke]

That's kind of clever.

[Andrew]

But when you click on his page, he's got tons of stuff where he's talking to the camera like this. So this is kind of interesting. And I'm seeing a lot of videos where he's eating other.

[Luke]

Other.

[Andrew]

He's sitting down at that same table with other food or actually a similar table, I think. And so it's kind of interesting that, like. And these are going back now, a bunch of these. He's wearing the same outfit, so they probably, like, knock a few of these out a day, but they're not all the same outfit. And it actually goes back and it's like this guy's doing all kinds of videos like these. And I gotta say, in ways that I don't know how to articulate right now, it sort of changes this story to me. It's not like this guy came out of nowhere and decided, oh, I'm going to do this. I'm looking at this. There's tons of him tasting things, videos. I'm kind of surprised that nobody has gone through and maybe, like, kind of picked more. Here's him, it looks like eating a chicken sandwich or something. So it's sort of something that maybe he does have more of a comfort doing. And this one just got kind of randomly swept up.

[Luke]

Well, and of course, the. I mean, it's hard to know now because I'm sure there's been plenty of people that are going to this Instagram page or this whatever it is. It would have been interesting to see what the average number of views.

[Guest/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Would be on the other videos that didn't, you know, weren't the. The subject of mockery. Because, again, that's the world that we live in now. Like, he comes off as a little un. A little bit unconvinced around eating this McDonald's food. And then because he. It's kind of cringe a little bit, then everyone's talking about it, and now it's just getting all of this attention. And so it's. In a way, it's the. It's the most successful one of these they've ever done, probably.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Like, so I'm just kind of scrolling through and I see that I can't see date on this one. It doesn't really matter, but probably, I don't know, weeks or months ago, he did one that says McCrispy strips taste test. And just hovering over it, I see that that's got 1800. 1800 hearts.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Andrew]

And if you look at the latest one, it has 134,000 likes and 20 and a half thousand comments.

[Luke]

So, critically, Andrew, it's 4:00pm in Chicago as I talk to you and I am famished.

[Andrew]

You need some product.

[Luke]

I need some product, buddy. And we've also got a meeting with our colleague John Scaroff. So should we just go ahead and kind of. Should we wrap it up for the day? Also, we're getting this posted a little bit late, which is on.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, that's true too. People are probably clamoring.

[Luke]

Yes. Fear not, my friends. Fear not, for I am with you. Fear not, for I am with you. Fear not, for I am with you, says the Lord. I don't feel like that was the strongest ending I could have brought, but. Sorry.

[Andrew]

I'm sorry. I was drinking some fresco, so.

[Luke]

I have redeemed you. I have called you by name. Child, you are mine. When you walk through the valley and through the flame. Something. I don't know. I'll look it up. I'll. I'll report back tomorrow on how that song goes.

[Andrew]

For he's a jolly good.

[Luke]

For he. He.

[Andrew]

You know, I'm gonna go home and.

[Luke]

But, but, but. But I can. We need more Jillian Bell in the world. You're absolutely right. Absolute comedic genius.

[Andrew]

I love her.

[Luke]

Okay, we'll be back here tomorrow, everybody, with more imaginary radio. Of course I'll be in Chicago again. Here to do. Wait, wait, don't tell me the rest. For the rest of today anyway. Stay warm if you're near here. Stay dry if you're somewhere where it's rainy. And have a nice rest of your Wednesday. We'll see you tomorrow. Please remember, no mountain too tall and

[Andrew]

good luck to all. For he's a jolly good fellow and nobody can of it.

[Luke]

But I can. Nobody. I'll get this. Okay.

[Andrew]

But I can. I'm gonna look up those lyrics.

[Luke]

Yep, you got it.

[Andrew]

All right.

[Luke]

That was good.

[Andrew]

Power out.