#4684 Hungry, Hungry Hypnos

Summary

TBTL #4684: "Hungry, Hungry Hypnos" (March 16, 2026)
Hosted by Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh, with special guest Susie Burbank

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Episode Overview

In today’s energetic Monday edition, Luke and Andrew blend comic banter, nostalgia, and thoughtful observations as they catch up on their weekends, family visits, and recent pop culture events. The main topics: a hypnotist improv show, childhood memories of Seattle sports legends, dealing with misinformation online, Oscars audio quirks (featuring Matt Berry), and the joys and pitfalls of library DVD watching and book buying. Special guest Susie Burbank (Luke’s mom) joins to discuss family, ADHD, back pain, and navigating the digital world. The tone is classic TBTL—affectionate, irreverent, meandering, and full of inside jokes and regional flavor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up, Weather, and Oscars Chatter

[01:09-03:39]

• Luke and Andrew check in from their respective studios, comment on the weather in Southern Washington, and note the episode’s place in their “collector series.”
• Oscars recap: Luke didn’t watch, preferring a New Zealand mystery DVD with his mom, but references Conan O’Brien hosting and expected winners.
• Luke vents about the Oscars’ audio mix—“the music is so loud you can barely hear the announcer”—and is validated by social media posts on the same complaint.

Notable Quote:

“The Oscars should not win the Oscar for audio mix.” – Luke [03:04]

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2. Welcoming Special Guest: Susie Burbank

[04:19-10:41]

• Susie discusses a recent back injury (tweaked by bending down for a dime), compares back pain stories, and reports improvement thanks to hot pads and sciatica “flossing.”
• Luke recalls pulling his neck pre-9/11, attempting to wash his hair in a Rome hotel sink.

Notable Quote:

“My growing up years, like my great aunt used to say, ‘Susan Marion, give your tongue a sleigh ride.’” – Susie [11:15]

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3. ADHD Reflections & Writing Aspirations

[09:04-13:15]

• Susie submitted a personal story on distraction (ADHD-related) to The Sun magazine but hasn't heard back.
• She elaborates on her lifelong distractions and diagnosis of ADHD as an adult; confirms she takes mild ADHD medication.
• Andrew dives into the phrase “give your tongue a sleigh ride,” tracing its supposed origins to Seattle sports (Bill “the Beer Man”), but Susie insists her aunt coined it decades earlier.

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4. Legendary Seattle Sports Vendors & Ballpark Memories

[13:16-18:05]

• Fond reminiscence of ballpark personalities: Bill “the Beer Man” (sweaty, booming voice), Rick “the Peanut Guy” Kaminsky (famous for behind-the-back peanut tosses), and “Tuba Man.”
• Luke recounts seeing his childhood basketball coach as “the cat wrangler” on the Kingdome Diamond Vision.
• The group mourns Tuba Man’s tragic end and remembers colorful characters who made live sports memorable.

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5. Navigating Misinformation Online

[19:47-24:37]

• Susie admits she briefly believed a false report about Marshawn Lynch’s death, illustrating the hazards of viral fake news.
• Luke cautions parents against new scams involving AI voice cloning and urges “never ever send money” in response to distress calls, regardless of apparent authenticity.
• Discussion on vetting internet news, checking reliable sources, and cross-referencing before reacting.

Notable Quote:

“With AI and with these videos... it's harder and harder to separate facts from fertilizer.” – Luke [20:02]

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6. Dazzling Donor Segment

[27:04-35:01]

• The show thanks Denny Gammer (Edmonds, WA), who shares rich radio nostalgia: listening to distant hits on WLS as a kid, tuning into Husky baseball on KCMU (before KEXP), and discovering TBTL as an extension of his love of talk radio.

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7. Gift Strategies & The Odd Joy of “Hipprov”

[46:18-57:14]

• Luke describes Becca’s family’s thoughtful gift tradition: buying group tickets to live experiences (this time: a hypnotist improv show in Salem, OR).
• Full breakdown of the “Hipprov” experience: 20 volunteers, hypnosis, improv scenes managed by Colin Mochrie (of “Whose Line Is It Anyway?”), and convincing comedic performances by hypnotized audience members.
• Luke, previously skeptical, is surprised by the participants' confidence and improv skill, now believes hypnosis can induce a true “flow state.”
• Andrew remains the “doubting Thomas,” referencing a past experience with planted audience members, but is intrigued by the anecdotal evidence.

Notable Quotes:

“My sense of improv… is that the people that are good at it... are basically in a hypnotized state themselves.” – Luke [54:00]
“You want to believe magic, but… there’s always that part of you going ‘but, how do I know they’re not plants?’” – Andrew [57:15]

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8. The Mechanics of Group Belief: Hypnosis vs. Childhood Faith

[61:47-64:14]

• Susie likens being hypnotized to church experiences (being “slain in the spirit”)—the power of wanting to believe and group suggestibility.
• Luke separates the two: “The people who were speaking in tongues were bad at it… because that’s not a real thing,” whereas the hypnotized improv subjects seemed truly uninhibited and creative.

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9. Oscars Announcer Talk: Matt Berry, Audio Mishaps, and More

[68:30-77:20]

• Recap of Matt Berry’s turn as Oscars announcer (this year live, possibly from London). Luke laments how the audio mix hindered the comedic value of hearing Berry read nominee names.
• The hosts riff on the tradition of “fun” announcers (Nick Offerman last year), and treat listeners to humorous deep-voice announcer bits from the Howard Stern show.

Memorable Moment & Quote:

Matt Berry (Oscars bit):
“Well, I’ve always been a fan of Benicio Del Toro, Sigourney Fever, and of course, Basil Rathbone.”
Conan: “Sorry to tell you, Matt, Basil Rathbone died almost 60 years ago.”
Matt Berry: “Is that right? Well, that’s live TV for you.” [74:19–75:02]

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10. Media Nostalgia: Library DVDs, Book Mishaps, Background Movies

[77:20-85:11]

• Luke talks about watching a New Zealand DVD series from the Kitsap Library, despite falling behind on “modern” shows—embracing the chance to watch things he’d never pick himself.
• Andrew shares his comedic frustration upon receiving a novella-thin book (The Crying of Lot 49) for vacation, due to online shopping; Luke relates his own experience accidentally receiving an Art Bell book without its gloriously illustrated cover.

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11. Extended Aftershow (The Badlands): Mascots, Uniforms & College Sports

[86:33–95:46]

• Andrew recalls a painful memory of a Browns banner (“Losing is a Work of Art”) being confiscated, leading to a discussion of teams’ mascots—particularly the “Dawgs”/“Dogs” of both Cleveland and UW, their spellings, and branding oddities.
• They dive deep into the appeal (or lack thereof) of “Bow Down to Washington,” “Dubs” the mascot, and the changing nature of college sports fandom.
• Andrew admits his fascination with uniforms and the “uni-head” culture (“I am a mere child compared to Ders and Nick Jarin”).

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Memorable Quotes & Lighthearted Banter

• “We’re the number one show in hospitals and on sinking riverboat casinos.” – Andrew [00:49]
• “Stop saying daddy.” – Luke [00:41]
• “Give your tongue a sleigh ride… [it] means take a break, stop talking…” – Susie [14:54]
• “If you get a call that sounds like us, and we’re saying, ‘I’m in trouble’... do not send money.” – Luke [21:06]
• “The public library is where it’s at.” – Luke [79:09]
• “I cannot imagine myself… being so befuddled by a hypnotist that I thought my belly button went away.” – Luke [68:30]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:04] Oscars audio mix complaints
• [04:19–10:41] Susie Burbank guest segment/back pain/ADHD
• [13:16–18:05] Seattle sports vendor legends remembered
• [19:47–24:37] Misinformation, AI scams, fake Marshawn Lynch news
• [27:04–35:01] Dazzling donor: radio love, Seattle history
• [46:18–57:14] Hypnotist improv show breakdown, skepticism vs. belief
• [68:30–77:20] Oscars announcer nostalgia, Matt Berry bit, deep voice riffing
• [77:20–85:11] Library DVD & book-buying hijinks
• [86:33–end] Mascots, uniforms, and the culture of college sports

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Tone & Style

Laid-back, self-deprecating, and rich with regional references and inside jokes. The hosts’ chemistry remains as strong as ever, anchored by a genuine love for daily minutiae, personal storytelling, and gentle ribbing—both of each other and the world at large. Susie Burbank’s guest appearance brings warmth, humor, and poignant reflection on aging, health, and the challenges of adapting to an ever-evolving media landscape.

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“No mountain too tall.”

“Good luck to you all.”

Transcript

[Andrew Walsh]

The video shows Robby Stratton running through a convenience store with an alligator in his hands. He takes the animal in the beer fridge as well.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't even remember coming up here.

[Andrew Walsh]

We asked Stratton where the alligator came from. No clue.

[Luke Burbank]

No clue. This store sells some good liquor, and I drank a lot of it that night. They told me what I did was stupid, and I'll be facing some charges here soon. Probably go to jail. Probably not. We'll see.

[Andrew Walsh]

TBTL.

[Susie Burbank]

When I eat hot Cheetos, I get crazy.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just love hot Cheetos. I love them so much, honey.

[Luke Burbank]

Ooh, Daddy's gonna dish out some daddy discipline. As a fellow daddy, I approve. Stop saying daddy.

[Andrew Walsh]

You got it, Papa Berry.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm not handling this well. I don't feel competent. I'm depressed.

[Andrew Walsh]

We're the number one show in hospitals and on sinking riverboat casinos.

[Luke Burbank]

This is not your mama's podcast.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is too beautiful to live.

[Luke Burbank]

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Monday edition of tbtl. The that just might be too beautiful to live. You're still doing a podcard. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm a professional. Look it up in the book.

[Luke Burbank]

Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio, perched high above the mighty and today muddy Columbia. All the rain we've been having, things have gotten somewhat sedimentary down there, but nonetheless, it's actually going to be a pretty nice day. It might get to 70 degrees around here.

[Andrew Walsh]

I feel warm, and I'm levitating.

[Luke Burbank]

A welcome change of pace here in Southern Washington compared to what we've had of late. Here we are, folks. We made it. It's episode 4684 in a collector series. Let the fun begin, and we have a lot to talk about. Last night was the Oscars. You want showmanship, you got it. Hosted by Conan. Honestly, the awards seemed like they generally went to the people who were expected to get the specific awards. I did not really watch the Oscars last night. I was too busy watching a DVD of a mystery show from New Zealand that my mother rented from the library. More on that in a minute. But there was kind of a breakout star, or at least somebody that we really like who did was featured prominently at the Oscars. We'll talk about that. Speaking of showmanship, I witnessed something called Hip proven this weekend. That would be people who are under hypnosis doing improv. And it was something, something else, I'll tell you. We've also got a special guest who's gonna say hello today. This is special. This is special. But we first have to of course, say hi to this feller. Longest running cobra of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's also known in some places as Mr. Unlimited. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, I can hear you. Clem Fandango. Sorry, there's a lot. I understand there's a lot of Clem Fandango energy at the Oscars last night.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, there was. I mean, you know what? Let's talk. It was Matt Berry. The cat's out of the bag. The Matt's out of the bag. Let's talk about that in a little bit because I will play you what I thought was the best. It was quick, it was fleeting, but the best bit from Matt Berry. Last night. I was going, as I told you before the show, I was gonna play you just him saying people's names because of course there's a lot of flourish. But the friggin audio mix. The Oscars should not win the Oscar for audio mix because it was crazy. Like, the music is so loud you could barely hear the announcer during like half of it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, you were telling me that before the show and I'd forgotten. I was not plugged into the Oscars at all yesterday. But I did see a post on Blue sky right as it was beginning. Luke, if you want some validation here, somebody who was saying what is is wrong with the mix? I don't know if you were seeing that on your socials as well. No. Other people. At least one other person who I don't believe even works in the audio industry, although I don't know for sure, was also calling out the fact somebody wrote like, this is not my sound bar, this is you Oscars. So there's your validation for a Monday.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you. I'll give myself a little ding there. That feels good on a Monday morning. Hey, check it out. Look who's here. It is.

[Susie Burbank]

I'll say what's up, dope?

[Luke Burbank]

It is the one and the only my longest running free tenant who lives in my house, My mother, Susie Burbank. Hi, mom.

[Susie Burbank]

Hey, Luke. Hey, Tens.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello, Susie B.

[Luke Burbank]

Not no hi to Andrew, just hi to the tens. You go right over Andrew's hat.

[Susie Burbank]

Hi, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's like living in LA again.

[Luke Burbank]

I know. She's looking over your shoulder for the more important person that she should be talking to.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's true.

[Luke Burbank]

How you doing, mama?

[Susie Burbank]

Doing well? Yeah. Well, better.

[Luke Burbank]

I should say better because of your back?

[Susie Burbank]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

What's been going on with your back?

[Susie Burbank]

So Saturday morning we were leaving to go stop here and then go to a wedding. And I picked up something the wrong way off the floor. And it just tweaked my back. And so it hasn't been normal since.

[Luke Burbank]

Has the hot pad helped? And did the. Mostly. Did the sciatica flossing that I taught you about last night help?

[Susie Burbank]

Well, I slept well last night, so I think it did help. But then once I get out of that reclining position, it's like pain. But once I start walking, I'm okay. So it's just kind of, you know, it's getting better, but it's not perfect yet.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's gonna sound like a technical question, but I'm quite serious about it. Was it, like, too heavy of an object or was it just one of those weird things where you just.

[Luke Burbank]

Like a coin?

[Susie Burbank]

It was like a dime or something I had, you know, just something small.

[Andrew Walsh]

Those are the worst. Because you didn't, like, just stretch something or overuse a muscle. It's just like the first time my back went out. And I was a young man of, like, 25. I was flinching from a fly, Susie. And I had a back spasm that laid me out. Like, laid me out for days. And then I was never right since then. And that fly just went on with his life.

[Susie Burbank]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. He lived his. He lived the next two hours of his life blissfully unaware.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

That he changed me forever. I've told the story a million times, but the first time that I really, really threw my kind of neck and back out, it was washing my hair in a sink.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah.

[Susie Burbank]

Oh, I could. Because you're bending weird, you know?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. It was the dumbest idea. We were. Nicola and I were in. We were in Rome getting on an airplane to come back home after our honeymoon. And for some reason, I had not taken a shower that day. But I decided, like, minutes before we left the hotel room that I just needed to wash my hair. This actually feels really like a move you would pull, which is just kind of like a weirdly complicated hair washing situation. Instead of just taking a shower. I was like, I don't have time for a shower. But I do have time to dunk my head in this sink at the Hilton at the Rome airport. And it was terrible. I tweaked it and I. There was a period of time somewhere over, I don't know, the Atlantic Ocean, where I was almost in tears from the pain. And they Wouldn't give me any, like, even ibuprofen or. They won't give you any of that stuff on the airplane. There's like, hard and fast rules about it, right?

[Susie Burbank]

There is, and there even was back then, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah, apparently. And that was pre 9 11. Literally. It was like days before 9 11. I think it was. Maybe it was like September 9th or September 10th that we were doing that. All right, mom, well, I'm glad that your back is feeling better. My other question to you is, were you low key? Sort of. Were you trying to let me know subtly that you wanted to be on the show today when you asked me? Hey, so are you doing TBTL later?

[Susie Burbank]

Not actually, no. It was just. I was just curious. I know how your routine goes so well.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why did you walk in wearing the headphones and carrying your own microphone?

[Susie Burbank]

No, he gave me the headphones.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, sure, sure.

[Luke Burbank]

You better not kid too hard with my mother. Andrew. Hey, Mom. Mom, last time you were on the show, there was a rumor that you were gonna join the. Some TBTL book club. Did that ever happen?

[Susie Burbank]

No, it's because it's so difficult to join a book club online.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, Tens.

[Susie Burbank]

Yeah, Figure it out, guys.

[Luke Burbank]

Wait, mom, that was a joke. Don't be mean to the. Please don't be mean to the donors. What is. So what happened? You couldn't figure out how to log on to the Facebook or something?

[Susie Burbank]

I actually said, I don't know, maybe I need to be on another site. You know, another TENS app or whatever. Because I said, I really want to join this book club and da, da, da, da. And then it just never happened.

[Luke Burbank]

It never happened because you never actually went and found it.

[Susie Burbank]

I thought I found it, but then I did miss one of the joins, and then it was just like I couldn't find it again. So I'm still interested.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, that's good. Whoever's running the book club, you know, take this however you want, but Susie is still interested.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Just letting you know.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, Mom, I was really. I know it didn't really. It didn't totally come together maybe exactly the way you wanted it, but I was very proud of you about a writing exercise that you did recently where you submitted. You know, you submitted a story for that thing that we really like in the sun magazine.

[Susie Burbank]

Yeah, right. And I know that you don't get a response right away because they're months behind, but I didn't get a response, so I assume that they didn't take it, which was kind of disappointing. Because I've been reading this magazine's, you know, write ins from the people that get the magazine.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. There's basically a prompt in this magazine, the sun, that just says, like, we're taking very short sort of stories, anecdotes that are true. They're nonfiction about a particular topic. And so what was the topic that you wrote in about?

[Susie Burbank]

Distractions.

[Luke Burbank]

Ah, okay. Something I can relate to. And then have they published the issue of the magazine? I just got one in the mail like two days ago. I don't know if you've checked it, mom, there's a new one in there. Have they published that particular prompt and you're not in there? Do you know for a fact you didn't get included?

[Susie Burbank]

I don't know for a fact because I'm no longer sponsoring when I'm not getting the magazine because my one year gift from my daughter Liz ran out. And I was like, well, maybe I can get this online. So I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's be honest. You thought, I'll steal them from Luke's house.

[Susie Burbank]

That was a thought.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Which you did. Recently, you and dad came back from Seaside and you just had like a bundle of magazines you had absconded with.

[Susie Burbank]

I don't know about that. That's your dad's doing, I guess.

[Luke Burbank]

Really? I would have definitely assumed that was you. But anyway, mom, you are welcome to borrow them anytime. But. So you don't know, it's not official that you haven't been included yet.

[Susie Burbank]

No, it's not official, but I pretty much know that somehow they would have emailed me or got a hold of me. I thought it was pretty good. It was a good exercise regardless, you know.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that's the thing. I'm wondering, are you going to keep doing it? I mean, because it might take, you know, a few tries and a few submissions to get one in there. And I do think it's a really good exercise for you to get, you know, pen to paper and start thinking about stuff like that.

[Susie Burbank]

Absolutely. That's what I'm. I'm thinking too. It was a really good first try at something. And if it doesn't, I mean, how many writers wait years and years before they actually get, you know, the bite?

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. And I mean, yeah, you just got to keep trying and keep trying.

[Andrew Walsh]

So what was your take on the topic?

[Susie Burbank]

What's that?

[Andrew Walsh]

What was your take on the topic? What did you write about?

[Susie Burbank]

Well, I wrote about my ADHD because that's why I always was distracted, you know, in my growing up. My growing up years. Like my great aunt used to say, susan Marion, give your tongue a sleigh ride. Because I was always talking. I was.

[Luke Burbank]

Wait a sec. Let's just unpack that for a minute. Give your tongue a sleigh ride. Would that. Would that. I guess. I guess that would just mean that your tongue would be occupied, therefore you couldn't talk. That still sounds like a lot of activity for the tongue. Well, like, give your tongue a break would make sense. Put your tongue to sleep would make sense. Give your tongue a sleigh ride. Sounds like your tongue is living its absolute best life.

[Susie Burbank]

If you try to give your tongue a sleigh ride, you know you have to stick it out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right?

[Luke Burbank]

Is that a Philly thing? Is that called giving your tongue a sleigh ride?

[Susie Burbank]

It's old school. This was my great Aunt Lou that said it. So, wow, you know, back, I don't know, 60 years ago. 70 years ago. Maybe not quite 70. More like 65.

[Luke Burbank]

So you were writing about the fact that your ADHD causes you to get distracted pretty easily.

[Susie Burbank]

Yeah, and I was explaining that, you know, I was. It was taken as like, that I was kind of an airhead or that I was, you know, distracted. But I didn't even use the word distraction because that's what the topic was. But I kind of said this is the reason that I was always looking out the window at school, that there was. It was because of this adhd, and I didn't know it until I was an adult.

[Luke Burbank]

Now, are you. This. You don't have to answer this, mom, if this is overly personal, but do you take, like, Ritalin or something? Do you take anything for the adhd? And does it help? Do you feel a difference?

[Susie Burbank]

Yes, I do. And I think it does help in. Even if it's psychologically, you know.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you take it every day?

[Susie Burbank]

Yep, I do.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you crush it up into a line and snort it off of a mirror?

[Susie Burbank]

No, and it's not really Ritalin. I think that's a stronger ADHD medicine. So it's a mild HDAD med, but I take it because I think it's helpful.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I give you some really interesting information, Luke, that I think you're going to be. I'll give it to both of you, but Luke, specifically, I think you'll be shocked at some of the connections here to that phrase, give your tongue a sleigh ride. Now, according to AI Overview, it was actually coined by a Seattle sports vendor. Now, I think that that claim of being coined here is probably wrong. I think that's AI being a little bit knows.

[Luke Burbank]

AI is reading into where your IP address is, Andrew, and trying to, like, regionalize it to you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I don't think it's that because it does sort of seem like all the results basically do point to this one fella. It is related. And who wrote this article in the Seattle Times, but none other than your friend Danny o'. Neill. And it was about this. He might have popularized it, or at least popularized it around here, but a voice that filled the Kingdome came straight from the heart. There was a guy. There was a vendor named Bill the Beer. Who?

[Luke Burbank]

The Beer Man.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you know, the Bill the Beer Man. Well, he used to say, I did

[Luke Burbank]

a post when the Mariners were playing. Well, I did a post. The three guys you see in heaven, it was Rick the Peanut Guy, tuba man, and Bill the Beer Man. They are Seattle. They were Kingdome legends.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, apparently, he would say, freeze your teeth and give your tongue a sleigh ride. That's something that is that he would often say.

[Luke Burbank]

I was that. Because that's Freeze your beer.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because he's trying to get people to drink his cold beer. Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

That's. Now, I mean, unfortunately, what it means is it's a stolen valor. Because, mom, your Aunt Lou, your great Aunt Lou was saying that long before the kingdom was even built. So we need to really reassess the legacy of build a Beer Man.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right?

[Susie Burbank]

Absolutely. Because it actually meant, you know, take a break, stop talking. Because if you try to give your tongue a sleigh ride, you're going to stick your tongue out, and then you can't really talk.

[Andrew Walsh]

Mm. Well, I'm going to write a strongly worded letter to the estate of Bill the Beer Man. If anybody.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, he had it too good. That's carrying around really heavy. One of the things I remember about Bill the Beer man, famously sweaty story.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm seeing a story. I'm seeing a photo of him now, and I don't. While I don't actually see the sweat, I'm. It's giving. Sweaty. You know, as the.

[Luke Burbank]

As the young people say, it is giving. Yes, sweat. Because he would carry around and then. And then, yeah, he would carry around all this beer. And he was a guy of pretty large carriage, as it were, who had a hard job and was walking up and down the stairs of the Kingdome, you know, throughout the game. And then you also had, again, Rick the Peanut Guy, who. I'm wondering, Andrew, if you. I don't think your time of going to Mariners Games ever overlapped with Rick's, but his move was behind the back. Peanut toss. Do you remember this, mom, ever, from being at a Mariners game, actually.

[Susie Burbank]

You mean he would actually toss peanuts?

[Luke Burbank]

It would be a bag. So all the peanuts that he sold were in, like, a little. But they were like, you know, a kind of a foil bag. So it wasn't like a paper bag with an open top. They were foil bag. And he would do this move, and the listeners from Seattle who went to games back in the day will totally recognize what I'm talking about. And he would. You'd be like three rows away, and if you signaled for peanuts, he would pull one of these foil bags of peanuts, and then he would kind of do this thing where he would re. Crimp it. He had to really make sure that, like, it was closed. He had to make sure it wasn't going to fly open. And then he would whip it behind his back with incredible accuracy. Three rows right to your outstretched hands. It was an incredible thing to see. There's probably video of it actually online.

[Susie Burbank]

Were they free? The peanuts are worth it?

[Luke Burbank]

Heck, no, Mom.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's a ball game.

[Susie Burbank]

I didn't think so.

[Andrew Walsh]

Although it is worth pointing out that Rick the Beer Man. No, Billy the Beer Man. I'm getting them all confused now. Is wearing a hat that says Cold Beer 1.25 $1 20.

[Luke Burbank]

Is it a pin? Is it a pin on his hat?

[Andrew Walsh]

It's a. It looks like. It's a big. It's like, kind of covering the entire front of his hat.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh. Because I feel back in the day, they used to always. They would give the people that were working. I believe it was Ogden. I think Ogden was the company that had the contract for the food sales in the Kingdome. And they would also give them these ginormous pins that would, like. You would pin out that. They'd pin them on their hats.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

And it'd say like a dollar fifty. And that would just, like, let you know that's how much the beer was or the peanuts were or whatever it was back in the day.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love that. I love also that the peanuts that he was tossing also. By the way, I hate to tell you that Rick Kaminsky, the peanut man, also has. Has passed on. So.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, well, that's. Yeah, he and the tuba man. That's why I said, these are the three guys you see and.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you already. Yeah, you probably already knew that. Yeah.

[Susie Burbank]

But they were definitely old when they died, because we're talking years ago.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, I believe they Lived. They lived full of tuba man, unfortunately. Who was this guy that would play the tuba outside of Mariners and Seahawks game and was just a beloved dude. He met an unfortunate end. He died far too soon. And it was the result of a physical attack that happened to him out there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, no.

[Luke Burbank]

A real tragedy. A real tragedy. But I do believe that Rick and Bill the beer man, I think that they passed away of natural causes. At least. There was one other quasi celebrity in the world of the Kingdom who I had a tangential connection to, Mom. And it was. They used to show this video during the Mariners games. I think at most of the games that I went to when they were in the Kingdome. And it was of the time that a cat got out onto the Kingdome, like field the Astroturf. And they had to send out like a groundskeeper guy, like a maintenance guy out to get the cat. And he picks up the cat and the cat starts just scratching the living shit out of him. And the guy is spinning around in a circle trying to get rid of this cat who's dug its claws into him. And that guy was my basketball coach at the Boys and Girls Club.

[Susie Burbank]

Gosh, that's crazy.

[Luke Burbank]

So every time that video would go up, I'd be like, that's my basketball coach from the Boys and Girls Club.

[Andrew Walsh]

So wait, when. When that actually happened, were you being coached by him? Was like, there a day that you guys all showed up for practice and we had a million questions?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think so, because I think this happened in the summertime. And the basketball was like, I can't remember if it was a fall time activity. So I didn't even know he had this job. He never even mentioned it. Apparently Boys and Girls Club basketball coach was not sufficient income for him to live on it alone. And so he had a side job working at the Kingdom. But I didn't even know that about him until one day when I looked up on the Diamond Vision and there he was swinging a cat around. It literally was. It was my closest brush with celebrity to that point in my life.

[Susie Burbank]

Oh, that's funny. You know, speaking of false information, I don't know if you were talking about false information, but I saw on my phone that Marshawn lynch died. Rest in peace. I was like, what? Of course it was fake.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, mom, you have to be. Mom, I'm really glad that you're like, you know, your brain is not trusting everything that it sees on the Internet. That is a very good impulse and instinct. And I would really advise you and dad, to really stick with that, because with AI and with these videos and just with. There is so much misinformation, and it's harder and harder and harder to sort of separate facts from fertilizer, as we say on this program. And particularly as you and dad get older and stuff like, here's something that I'm a little bit worried about that I've been meaning to float on the Hawk Squad. Mom, if you get a call from that sounds. Or your dad get a call that it's allegedly from one of us kids, and we're, like, in jail. Actually, that might be true if it's me, but. No, but, like, if you get a call that's supposedly from one of us and maybe it even sounds like us, and we're saying, I'm in trouble. I need you to send money. Do not send money, okay? If we're in trouble, we will get the help we need, and maybe we will need help from you. But do not send money to anyone, ever, particularly if it supposedly one of us.

[Susie Burbank]

Oh, absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I mean, you could consider it.

[Susie Burbank]

No, no. I mean, if I didn't hear your voice.

[Luke Burbank]

No, but if you did, I'm saying this is how sophisticated they are. They have the ability sometimes now to basically spoof or clone somebody's voice. So you could get a phone call that sounded like it was Sersi or. Or me or, you know, any of the kids, and we could be saying, hey, Mom, I'm. I was in a car accident and they're telling the police are here, and I need money or whatever. And it's. It can be very confusing. But I'm just saying you and dad need to have. What you and dad need to do is continue with your hard policy of never giving us money.

[Susie Burbank]

That's not necessarily true.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm just saying do not. I do. I'm. I'm half joking, but I'm. I'm being serious. That I get worried about the. How can. How unbelievably convincing the scams are getting. And I get worried about. And the same thing, mom, about anybody who calls your dad and says, you know, we're from the IRS and we need you to do this, or we're with the FBI. Do not particularly, dad, because, you know, I mean, if the IRS called you,

[Susie Burbank]

he takes every text that comes down

[Luke Burbank]

the line, and if you or I got a call from the irs, we would just ignore it for probably years. But not dad. He'll be sending them a check tomorrow.

[Susie Burbank]

Right?

[Luke Burbank]

So you need to be careful. You need to ride Herd on that.

[Susie Burbank]

Okay, absolutely.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, contrarily, though. And I just want to throw this out there. If I ever call you and I'm asking for money, I think you should just give me money. I just. I mean, I just want to throw that out there. Hey, I have a question for you. And I don't want to put you on the spot because this has happened to all of us before, where you're just like scrolling and you see something, you're like, what? And then you're like, wait, that can't be right. And then you immediately figure out that somebody's just lying. But I'm a little bit curious about, like, where you see stuff like that, because for me, like, I'm on some website called Blue Sky Now, I don't know if you're on that or like, where do you see stuff like that?

[Susie Burbank]

I think it's just on, you know, when I open my phone in the morning. Yeah, it's kind of like threads off of Google, I'm pretty sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Susie Burbank]

I don't. You know, I do have a Seahawks site. Yeah, I do have a Mariner site, but it just comes up on the general site.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Where does dad. Because I always. Every morning I see dad over there on that iPad, scrolling away, but I don't know what. I don't know where he, like, what news. I think he's just like Google News as well or something. Right. He's not going to the Seattle Times or one of those things that has a paywall. He's just kind of scrolling around and now listen, I'll give Dad credit. I think he's pretty up to speed on stuff, and I think he's. I don't hear him, you know, sort of quoting a lot of misinformation. Nor do I hear that from you, Mom. So, I mean, I'm happy that you guys are both pretty plugged in still. But just be so careful about what you believe on the Internet because there is a lot of stuff out there that's not true now.

[Susie Burbank]

Absolutely. So when I read that Marshawn died and it was like, rip. And you know, I was like, that can't be right. Then I went to. I think I might have gone to Seahawks. And it was like, oh, no, this isn't the truth. You know?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, you can cross reference it to me. It's like, if it's a national story, I always go to the New York Times. It's just. Because it just is. You know, if it's a really big story, they'll generally have it or if it's in Seattle, I'll go to the Seattle Times or whatever. But, yeah, cross referencing stuff is always a good idea. Don't believe. Don't believe everything you see on there.

[Susie Burbank]

And the responses. I was looking at the responses. There were some heated responses over that, you know, about.

[Luke Burbank]

About the fact that it was fake. They were mad that these people were putting something fake out for the clicks.

[Susie Burbank]

Absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Susie Burbank]

They were like, what? Get off. You know, shut the F up. I mean, it was really pretty strong because they were like, you know, obviously it was fake, but this was actually the first time that I can remember getting fake news like that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I start to see that on TikTok sometimes. And yeah, one of the things. It'll be basically saying that somebody died who hasn't died, and. Cause that's a surefire way to get some clicks, which is what people are trying to do.

[Susie Burbank]

Also.

[Andrew Walsh]

The nice thing. I'm seeing this, by the way. I think I'm seeing what you saw. I think it's on Facebook. Are you ever on Facebook?

[Luke Burbank]

Do you guys have been on Facebook?

[Susie Burbank]

Ma. Maybe, but it just. It was on a general line, and I don't usually go to Facebook in the morning, so it was like, right there, front and center.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's just so strange. For absolutely no reason, one day ago, some account called Seattle Seahawks fans posted, and there's somebody who posted under their real name who's the admin, wrote this thing about how heartbreaking it is and made like a kind of a fake rip tribute to him without any kind of irony or joke. And then, yeah, all the responses are very angry. But I just don't understand the impetus for this at all.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, clickbait, right? Don't you think? Yes, but it's just clicks.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's just Facebook. You know what I mean? It's not. It's not clicking to. It doesn't seem to be monetized in any way. People are awful.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that is true. I mean, I think the takeaway from this segment has been that we've been able, I think, to mom, kind of coach you and dad up on cybersecurity, which is important now that Microsoft is no longer hiring me to do that. I'm just available to the larger community and we have audio of my mom saying shut the F up in the clear.

[Susie Burbank]

What are you talking about?

[Luke Burbank]

When you were quoting one of the comments.

[Susie Burbank]

Right, but I didn't use that. I didn't say the full word.

[Luke Burbank]

No, you said shut the F up, but now we have that as audio. And now we can play that. We can add that mom to your. We have. We have. We got this one. I'll say.

[Susie Burbank]

I'll say.

[Andrew Walsh]

What's up, though.

[Luke Burbank]

We also have this one.

[Susie Burbank]

There ain't nothing like soup.

[Luke Burbank]

And soon we'll have. Shut the eff up.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Susie Burbank]

That'll really demise me or something. No, no, no.

[Luke Burbank]

We won't do that to you, Mom. Okay.

[Susie Burbank]

All right.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, Mom, I love you. Thank you for chatting. I hope you're back Thursday.

[Susie Burbank]

I'll see you Thursday.

[Luke Burbank]

I told you, Andrew, she lives here.

[Susie Burbank]

Yeah, no, we're actually going to be watching our little grandson, Luke. Not that little anymore. He's double digits or coming up on it. And so we're going to come spend the night here Thursday night because Walter will already be here and. And then we're going to Portland.

[Luke Burbank]

All right. Mama will listen. Good luck with your back.

[Susie Burbank]

Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

I love you. And get home safe. Okay?

[Susie Burbank]

I will. Whoops.

[Andrew Walsh]

Take care, Susie.

[Susie Burbank]

All right, see you later.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm gonna switch over now.

[Susie Burbank]

It hurts.

[Luke Burbank]

We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle.

[Susie Burbank]

On your mark.

[Luke Burbank]

On your mark.

[Andrew Walsh]

Get set, get set now.

[Susie Burbank]

Ready, ready.

[Luke Burbank]

Go, everybody. Razzle dazzle. All right, let's thank some dazzling donors. These wonderful folks are dazzling us with their donation of dough and it's how TBTL can operate. This is 100% listener supported podcasting thanks to Denny Gammer, who's in Edmonds, Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you, Denny.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks, Denny. So nice to see your name on this list after years and years of support. We do really appreciate you so much, Denny. Denny says Luke, Andrew and John. Radio has been my companion since I was a preteen. I started out with KBIZ and K L E E in my hometown in southeast Iowa. One was your hit parade type of music and the other was country and western. To get rock, I had to wait until after dinner to pull in WLS, the world's largest station from Chicago, 300 miles away. I listened to Art Roberts contemporary mix, the Beatles, the Supremes, Paul Revere and the Raiders, et cetera. He always ended his show with this has been a work of art. Excelsior.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nice.

[Luke Burbank]

That's such a cool. That's right up there with no mountain too tall. When I moved to Seattle, I stumbled on sports talk in the late 70s when the Mariners started up with a J. Michael Kenyon, who was just weird enough to make me a member of his vast listening audience. An early version of the tens of listeners I drifted into punk rock and to kuow. Boy, what a journey from, like, Chicago Hit Parade radio to punk to kuow. I'm Ross Reynolds. I stumbled onto KCMU when I took an interest in Husky baseball. Whoa. That. That. See, that's even before my time. So kcmu, it was the station that became now kexp.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it was.

[Luke Burbank]

It was the. In the communications building at the University of Washington. And yeah, you had these two stations. You had KUOW and then. Which was 94.9. And then you had KCMU, as in communication CMU. And they were right next door to each other. KCMU was 90.3. I did not know that they played the Husky baseball games, though. By the time I got to kcmu, it was full of, like, kind of. I don't want to say this in a mean way, but, like, it had been fully taken over by music snobs.

[Susie Burbank]

Not.

[Luke Burbank]

Not even music snobs, but. But music fans, particularly of independent or kind of outsider music. And they would not have stood for Husky baseball games being played when they were supposed to be playing the Dead Kennedys.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know this takes us out of the realm of radio, but speaking of. And we can talk more about this because there's tons of time between now and May 6, but I'm going to my first U Dub baseball game. I've never been to a collegiate baseball game before, but I think. And I, by. My buddy invited me to it because there's some. The person who's going to be like, the number one prospect will be in town playing, I want to say, for ucla, but I don't know who that person is, but my buddy.

[Luke Burbank]

And are they actually.

[Andrew Walsh]

Are they.

[Luke Burbank]

Are they. Do you. Are they a pitcher? Are they some other position?

[Andrew Walsh]

That is a really good point. I'd have to dig into my text messages to figure out who that person is. All I know is like, oh, like, yeah, like a. A May afternoon go to the Huskies game. I've never been to that part of the city before. Wherever that sports complex is, I'm assuming it's somewhere. Is it somewhere near?

[Luke Burbank]

I think it's right by. I think it's been. So. You know, I used to be the Husky baseball reporter for the UW Daily. And you know who my boss was? Danny o'. Neill, second Danny o' Neil reference. So back in those days, I think the field was over kind of by where? Sort of the Kid Valley. Not Kid Valley, but the Burger Master was. And University Village. Oh, yeah, it was sort of. And I think it's now moved yeah, near Husky Stadium, I think they built a brand new, really nice softball field because the Husky softball team is like all world. And. And then I think they build a nice new baseball stadium, too. So I bet you it's a fun watch. What will be interesting, too, is the way that, like minor league baseball, but in particular, kind of like the, you know, Portland Pickles and teams like that. Like, there's really been an embrace of kind of silliness in a good way. In a way of. And, you know, you've talked about going to see the fish sticks and stuff like that you've had, and I don't even want to bring the Savannah Bananas into it because you and I both, I think, feel similarly about that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that doesn't really feel like baseball.

[Luke Burbank]

It's kind of not in the same category for me. But, you know, you've had this. A lot of these smaller teams, in the interest of attracting people to the games, have made the games a real event of kinds, of all kinds of shenanigans and all kinds of fun. And it's really in the. Again, it's kind of in the style of like Bill Veeck, who was famous general manager or maybe owner of the. Which team did he own? Was it the Tigers? Was he the guy that was behind disco. Demolition. Demolition.

[Andrew Walsh]

But they. That was Stall Steve Doll.

[Luke Burbank]

Steve Dahl was the dj. I was saying Bill Beck was in charge of the team.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I think.

[Luke Burbank]

See? Yeah. But. But actually, you know what? I could be wrong if he was. I can't remember if he was the Tigers or the White Sox. There was famously this one, this one owner who had did this bit where they were going to drop a baseball out of an airplane and have their

[Andrew Walsh]

catcher catch it and dangerous.

[Luke Burbank]

But they switched it with a grapefruit and the story went that the grapefruit exploded all over the guy trying to catch it. Just like wild stuff going on back in the day. Here's. Here's where I'm going with all this. I wonder what, like, college baseball does. Like, if they try to do any of that. Like. Like, I wonder if going to. If your time going to this Husky game will be filled with much more like, entertainment and shenanigans than it was like in the. Because when I used to go back in the day, it was like, no shenanigans. It was college baseball. And it was just. There was like eight people there, and it was just like they weren't trying to sell the sizzle. I wonder if they've picked up any. Any, you know, tips and tricks from the, like, Portland pickles of the world.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would be surprised. But I'll let you know. I've never gone before and I. I'll report back. Of course, I don't have the historical context. It doesn't seem like something. I mean, it seems like these are players who are, like, already being very conscientious of, like, where. I mean, not that, I guess these promotions you're talking about are not, like. You're not talking about the picture going on stilts or something.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no, no. I just mean, like.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like the.

[Luke Burbank]

They're gonna have someone race the Husky, you know. Right. If there's going to be a stunt where someone has to run against the mascot or if there's going to be, I don't know, just more. More of that kind of stuff. By the way, Bill Veck, one time owner of the Cleveland, then called Indians, also the St. Louis Browns and the Chicago White Sox. So not the. He had nothing to do with disco demolition. I was wrong about that anyway.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I am. I am sorry to change, put the focus on me during Denny's. Denny's dazzling donor message. But I am very excited about that baseball game.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, let's put the focus back on Denny right now and say, Denny says, I stumbled onto KCMU when I took an interest in Husky baseball. KCMU broadcast the baseball games and I later found, played some pretty good music. Boy, Denny Gamara has to be literally the only person who found their way into the KCMU broadcast schedule by way of the Husky baseball broadcast and essentially

[Andrew Walsh]

got his way into KXP through Husky baseball.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, precisely. And then, who knows, maybe tbtl, when they became kexp, I started supporting them. Then I found tbtl. The through line in this story is the connection to someone talking on the radio either while they play music or talking about what's happening. What is happening. Keep up the good work, friends.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right. Thanks.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow. Denny, you are. You and I are cut from the same cloth. And I think Andrew is a little bit too. This. This, like, love of radio, but particularly the love of hearing someone talking on the radio, whether it's about baseball or music or whatever this is. It's been a comfort and a companion in my life, my entire life. And I feel like you're a kindred

[Andrew Walsh]

spirit, Denny, a necessary companion. I was thinking about what you said because it was very, very relatable. I think maybe on Friday's show or something, you were talking about how you had to just walk a very small distance between your house to your studio. But you're gonna work out in your studio and you don't want start your podcast, your workout podcast, too early. So.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

What are you gonna listen to for those moments? Like, I had like a. Like an awful, like two or three minutes in my kitchen on Sunday where I donut. I just. Two minutes donut of time. It was like, silence. And I was like, oh, God, like, I just gotta put something on. And one thing I've been doing in my kitchen too, is, like, kind of putting on. Well, this is a whole thing, but, like, I'm trying to find the perfect sort of background. Movies. Movies I don't need to have eyes on the whole time. And usually it would be a movie that I'm rewatching, but not in every case. I watched a movie in several parts as I cooked several nights in a row. Like, have you ever heard of the Great Waldo Pepper with Robert Redford?

[Luke Burbank]

I feel like I heard it just in passing when Robert Redford died. And so they were. You know, his career was being discussed, but I couldn't tell you one thing about the movie.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I was cooking and watching at the same time, so maybe I couldn't either. But I could tell you one or two things. I won't bore, but it's a pretty long, sprawling movie that takes place in, I believe, the late 20s, early 30s, about, like, airplane acrobats, guys who had fought wing walkers. Yes. And, like, guys who had basically fought in World War I, but then were looking for their place as, you know, like, they still had this desire to fly, but trying to find. So they were literally barnstormers. You know, like, they would go just land in a field somewhere and collect a bunch of money. And it's charming and sprawling and weird and it makes sense. I later found out that it's directed by the guy who did, like, butch casting of Sundance Kid and the Sting. Right. And so, like, oh, those three movies together. It totally would make sense that I don't know when they came out in relation to each other, but it does seem like sort of like the. The Third Child of that style of movie, if you know what I mean.

[Luke Burbank]

You know the movie that Becca is trying to get me to watch that she's, like, obsessed with, which seems like a movie you might have experience with. It's called Leap of Faith. It's. Steve Martin is like a tent revivalist.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've never seen it. I can picture the COVID I swear that he's wearing a sparkling jacket on the COVID But I could be wrong.

[Luke Burbank]

I think you're probably right. But, like, I don't know if it was like a VHS they had in the house or something, but we. I was telling her about. About my weekend, which involved a bunch of things. I do want to tell you about Hip. Prof.

[Andrew Walsh]

In a minute.

[Luke Burbank]

But I also went to a wedding, and the wedding was at a church. It was at a, you know, like a big kind of megachurch in Vancouver, Washington. And I was telling Becca how it was very interesting for me to walk into that place and see all of the posters and signage and stuff, stuff about, you know, that particular style of Christianity. And it really, like, it was kind of. It was an interesting. I just don't. I just don't hang out in that world very much anymore. And a lot of it is very much the same, you know, like a lot of the. And they were even playing songs at the wedding that were really taking me back to the day. But in talking about that, she said, well, have you seen Leap of Faith? And I was like, no. And now she's really on me to see it. So I don't know. I might have to check in on that because I know how you love to watch movies about. From about 10 to 15 years ago.

[Andrew Walsh]

So that would be like 30, right? Wasn't that like 90s or something? 10 or 15 years ago is way too modern for me, my friend. 2010, are you kidding me? That is way too modern.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't feel very good anymore.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I ask you? Maybe this is the wrong time to kind of get into this. But it's interesting. You talk a lot about your upbringing, and you talk about, like, the religious aspects of that and, you know, all of the faith that your family and some of the activities that you did around that. But I always picture it very small, right? Like a small congregation. Your dad was a preacher for a while, all those things. But there's obviously parallels between that and the megachurch community, I think, as far as, like, fundamentals are concerned. I use the word fundamentals very knowingly. But what was your relationship with megachurches? This is the first time I can ever really even picture you in that kind of an environment.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, we didn't have. I didn't have one. Except this is what I was saying to Becca. If I, at 10 years old, would have walked into this mega church, I would have been so impressed. I would have been like, this is what we're trying to do at Gospel Outreach, but, like, the successful version, it's scaled up. Our experience with mega churches came by way of cassette tape because we Would get cassette tapes that my parents would, like, pay a subscription for of worship music, you know, like church songs. But these would be, like, generally speaking, kind of newly written, you know, like, written in the last few years songs. And they would come from successful megachurches. What they had were, like a good worship band and they had, you know,

[Andrew Walsh]

somewhat talented songwriters, guitar and drums, like. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Guitar, drums, singing. And I think there was. I can't remember the name. It might have been called, like, Harvest Ministries or something. I don't know. There would. We would get this one. These tapes from this one. This one church that was a megachurch. And I remember I would listen to the music and then eventually we would listen to the music so much in the car that this would become songs that I would know and also kind of like. And I would just think, what would it be like to go to a church that had all of this, like, musicality and all of you can hear the people sometimes singing along in the congregation? So my relationship with megachurches was aspirational as a kid, I was like, maybe someday we'll be like Bill Hybels. He had a big church somewhere. And there was.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was.

[Luke Burbank]

This was kind of before Joel Osteen, so we didn't know. I didn't know a lot about what was going on with him in Texas. But there would be. There was Chuck Swindoll. There was, you know, there was James Dobson. Not that James Dobson was a pastor so much, but yeah, there was these. There were these mega churches that I would hear about. And again, I would always just think, like, wouldn't that be incredible if that could happen to us?

[Andrew Walsh]

Because there are a lot of the base stuff, the stuff that you would talk about, the way you would talk about it, the way you'd sing about it, all of it. It's the same. It was just scale. That's interesting.

[Luke Burbank]

I never thought about it precisely. We were the micro machine of. Of. Of these big churches where it was really working. And. And yeah, and this. This. This wedding actually was somebody who was part of that church, the Gospel Outreach Church.

[Andrew Walsh]

Somebody that you knew from way back in the day.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah, somebody that. That I knew from back in those days. And she was actually like a babysitter of mine, of me and my sisters when we were little and stuff. And so. And she's continued with this kind of. This is a big part of her life, I guess, still. And so was getting married and invited us, and so we showed up. But yeah, it was an interesting. It was just a long Time since I've been around that energy. And it was a little triggering, but I got through it and I was happy that I went.

[Andrew Walsh]

On your mark, get set. Get set now.

[Susie Burbank]

Ready?

[Andrew Walsh]

Ready.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what you were like there, Andrew? You were like a second baseman and I was the shortstop and we were turning a double play and I gave you a lousy ball. I gave. And you somehow picked it up. You bare handed it and you got it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I had the music ready to go. It was just pouted down on my board and it was a little bit. Yeah, no, no, no. I wasn't sure we were doing that.

[Luke Burbank]

You made. You made the transfer admirably considering how I delivered the ball to you. Now, the guy legged it out at first, but that's on me. We got the lead runner.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, no, sure. As a fielder's choice. I want you to know also what was happening to me there. And I bet you, you know, this is. I have a lot more questions.

[Luke Burbank]

You know this.

[Andrew Walsh]

You. You know this. I have a lot more questions for you about it. And none of them are.

[Luke Burbank]

I wasn't.

[Andrew Walsh]

None of them are edgy questions, but I just want to be careful about it because I'm curious, like, who did you go with? You go with your family and your. Your folks is that way. They're in town. But I was like, you know what? If I keep on asking these questions at a certain point, it's an invasion of privacy that even I should.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm not worried about. No, no, no. I'm not worried about that. And I' talking about it. I guess I just was champing at the bit to thank Aaron Zenert in Spokane, Washington, who is our. Who's our second dazzling donor today. Aaron, so nice to see your name on the list again. And also to say your name correctly, I have a feeling I've been mispronouncing it in the past. I now know that it's Zenert.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, It's a great pronouncer, actually.

[Luke Burbank]

That is well written.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you, Aaron. Thank you for the donation. And Aaron says thank you for the joy you bring. Loveies. Next time you're worried about not hitting the mute button in time, just know the sound of your sneeze or cough could be more problematic. And then Aaron includes a link which I'm guessing Andrew. Of course, we have not previewed this, but my guess is this is somebody having a real situation happen on air, maybe with a cough or a sneeze.

[Andrew Walsh]

So what I'm looking. So I've clicked on this link and I have not watched it, but it's, like, about 20 seconds long. And it seems to be a video that was filmed in a church, coincidentally, of a chamber orchestra. It looks like kind of a large. I'm gonna say a large chamber orchestra here. And it looks like there are people in the pews watching this. It's not part of a church service, I'm guessing. It's just probably a good place to hear chamber music and. Do you want me to. I think I should read. I think I should read how this is titled on YouTube. It's titled man sneezes into his trombone during concert. Honestly, that description is so good. I don't know that this can actually even pay off better than just the description. But let's take a listen here.

[Luke Burbank]

It's beautiful.

[Andrew Walsh]

It never occurred to me that that is, like, a danger of a live performing with a horn. With a trombone. I played trombone for a little bit. Yeah. Until my parents wanted to get me off the bass cliff.

[Luke Burbank]

That. God.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I hadn't even. I mean, if it comes on quickly enough and you're engaged with the trombone, what are you gonna do?

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm glad I read Subject Line first so that we knew what we were listening for there, because otherwise, I don't know if we would have known that that was somebody sneezing into their trombone.

[Luke Burbank]

I thought that page off. That's funnier than I was expecting. I thought it was going to be someone just has, like, a sneezing fit during a very kind of quiet part of the movement of the classical music or something, which is something I would always be stressed about probably if I was up there. But, Aaron, thank you for your contributions to TBTL across the board, both with. With the money and also the funny audio in the contest. We really do appreciate you and couldn't do the show without you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello, and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, after I went to that wedding, Andrew, I continued south and grabbed Becca in Portland, and then we headed on down to Salem, Oregon, where we had been gifted tickets. This is something Becca's family does a lot, which is they will buy, like, tickets to a thing for everybody in the family for, like, Christmas and, you know, major holidays. And it's actually, like, kind of a really cool idea because it involves everybody getting together, you know, and it's a lot of stuff that, you know, sometimes it's something that I would have maybe picked for myself. A lot of times it isn't. But I'm, like, I've said before about this. I'm always really glad that it happens. And it wouldn't happen if somebody hadn't shelled out a bunch of money for a ticket. You know, Was I gonna go to a. A improv hypnotism show in Salem on Saturday? Probably not. But was it kind of fun and interesting? Absolutely.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I just say one other thing about that that I like, which is just like, I do think that it sounds like Becca's family is in line with, like, kind of what. What Genevieve likes as well, and more and more people. I think it's both maybe an age thing, but also maybe where we are in society, but like, giving a gift that isn't a thing that you have to, first of all worry about whether or not somebody wants this thing in their life, but also, where are they going to put this thing? And also, are we bringing more things into the world that we might not need? And this is a very sweet, thoughtful way to, like, kind of not have to do that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah. Most of us, you know, I guess you could say, fortunately, have most of the stuff we need and do, generally speaking, don't need more objects, more physical objects in our life. If anything, we're trying to declutter. And. Yeah, so this was Jeff and Darcy, Becca's brother and his wife got these tickets. They live in Salem, and so they were looking at the local scene down there and what was going to be happening. And so got these tickets, and I did not know what to expect. I don't know if I've ever been to. I've certainly been to an improv show. I don't know if I've ever been to a hypnotism show more than, like, at the state Fair, where they try to hypnotize some chickens or something, you know, or like. Like, I've walked by someone doing hypnotism, I think, at the Oregon State Fair, and just glanced at. I think that's the. Maybe the closest I've been to a formal hypnotism event.

[Andrew Walsh]

I did a. As a freshman. I don't know if you're asking me, but the only. The. When I was a freshman at Kent State University, I believe we had a week of, like. Like, maybe you get there a week before classes begin. It's called orientation or something along those lines. And I think that one of the orientation activities one evening was for us all to gather in some gymnasium somewhere. I remember sitting in the bleachers of some gymnasium where there was a hypnotist down, like, on the stage, on the court or whatever, and he was hypnotizing People in the audience. But that's as much as I remember, other than me being a skeptical little punk up there and not really being super into it.

[Luke Burbank]

The weird thing is I. I think I actually. I do think, having watched this, I believe that. That it is truly a thing that you can put someone in a hypnotic state. I think it's real, actually. And the reason is because what this thing was, was the hypnotist. So it starts out with. First of all, it was one of the guys from Whose Line is It Anyway? This guy. His name's Colin Mockery.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, of course.

[Luke Burbank]

Kind of one of the main folks that do that show or that did that show or whatever. And it was him. He was the improv side of it. And then there was this other guy that was the hypnotism side of it. So it started basically with the hypnotist getting 20 people up on stage, 20 volunteers, and then taking them through a series of exercises, then eventually kind of sending people off and sending people off and whittling it down to, like, five people that I think he felt he had the most deeply in the throes of his hypnosis. And so then they became the improv troupe. And then the improviser, Colin Mochrie, he comes back out now, and now they're setting up scenes where it's like, we're on a romantic date. And so the hypnotist will, like, give one of the hypnotized people, like, instructions and then bring them, you know, to the. To consciousness, or at least to consciousness while still hypnotized. And then they'll be improving a scene with this guy about being on a date, or there was one where they were, like, space explorers and. And the Colin Mochri guy was the captain and somebody was the supercomputer and another person was the. The chief science officer or whatever. But the reason that I tend to believe this is because the hypnotized people were legit good with the improv.

[Andrew Walsh]

This I was gonna ask.

[Luke Burbank]

And it's because. And by the way, I don't think they were plants. I don't think this was a big budget, enough operation for them to travel around with. With, you know, Also, Becca's brother John went up and almost made the cut. He was in the last round, and we know he wasn't a plant. So, like, I don't think. I don't think that the people who were on stage were, you know, part of the act. I think they were legitimately people who bought a ticket and came to this thing and just kind of wanted to participate. And the reason that I believe that this thing actually was real, that people actually were hypnotized is because I've, you know, done a lot of things on stage at this point in my life with people who are not used to being on stage. And there is a physicality around it. There is a. Like, there's. There's a Jack Donaghy. What do I do with my hands? There's just a kind of a slumping of the shoulders. There's just a whole thing that happens to most regular people when they are on stage in front of, you know, I don't know, 500 people. And they haven't done that before. And none of these people had any of that physicality. They were completely and totally confident when they were. When it was their turn. So it'd be like, basically, like, two or three of them would be, like, sitting, like, slumped in their chair. Like, basically on, you know, off. Like, power save. Yeah, it's like they'd be off, and then two of them would be, like, activated. And. And the thing is, like. So I'll give you an example. One of the hypnotized people, this woman, her job, they did a radio drama. So the guy, Colin Mockery, is kind of narrating. It was a dark and stormy night, you know, and he's got one of the hypnotized women. And her job is to do sound effects, okay? But the direction to her from the hypnotist is always do the wrong sound effect.

[Andrew Walsh]

And she just. With her mouth.

[Luke Burbank]

With her mouth. And so. And she's, you know, a fifth. Maybe a mid-50s, you know, kind of a. Just a very. I would say, typical mid-50s woman who does not look like she has a background in, let's say, you know, Hollywood sound effects or anything like that. And. But she's standing up there and she's just completely unfazed. And so Colin Mochrie is doing the. You know, it was a dark and stormy night and a dog came to the door. And then he points at her and she goes like, you know, hee haw, hee haw or whatever. She makes, like, a crazy sound that is not a dog. And then he's doing another thing. And of course, you know, the joke is building because every time he says a thing, that's the obvious sound you would make. She makes a totally different sound. That alone is harder than you would think.

[Andrew Walsh]

And she did it pretty seamlessly without having to.

[Luke Burbank]

She did it seamlessly. She took no time to think like if I pointed at you. Andrew, listen, people have heard you. And I try to improv the show. They know just how wrong it can be. Meow.

[Andrew Walsh]

How was that?

[Luke Burbank]

That was a really good dog.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

Who's a good boy? But like even doing the wrong sound effect is pressure to just. Again, your average person who is, who's not used to this. Like my, my sense of improv and I've, I've really, I've not done. I don't think I've really done any of it like in any like formal setting with classes or whatever. But my sense of it is that the people that are good at it, what, where they have gotten with it is a total, like they're basically in a hypnotized state themselves, which is to say they're totally committed to the scene. They're not asking themselves, am I being funny or not? They're just trying to give their most realistic answer in this moment that's been created by the parameters of the improv scene. And for most of us who aren't good at it, that's the hard part. Getting there with your responses. These people who were hypnotized were there and it showed and it was, I mean, it was like pretty, like I was, I was pretty impressed by the whole thing just because. And yeah, for instance, the sound effect person, if she were like not hypnotized and just. First of all, she would just not have been as self possessed up there as she was, in my opinion. And she also just like she would have, she would have paused when you point at her and said like lightning sound. And then you're thinking of what's the opposite of lightning? What's a sound that's not lightning? You just would, you'd have a two second delay of just trying to come up with what you were going to do.

[Andrew Walsh]

Lightning makes a sound.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Thunder.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sorry. I knew you're gonna keep that. Somebody was thinking that I had to just say that, but you know what I mean?

[Luke Burbank]

Like they. And so anyway, I was. This was an. This was. Because if it wouldn't have been if. This wouldn't have been if the, if the premise of this, if you will, or whatever you want to call it, wouldn't have been improv. Which for the record, you know, I've watched some improv that's really impressed me. I got really into that Middle Ditch and Schwartz thing. Like, I really liked that. So I'm not anti improv. I've also seen a lot of less great improv in my life. So I'm sort of somewhere in the middle on it. But, like, this improv, what was great about it was it was, for me, a real clear indication that the hypnosis was real. If it would have just been like, I'm going to hypnotize these people. And now look at them. They're asleep now. Cluck like a chicken now. Whatever it is that other hypnotists do, I don't know if I would have bought it, but this was like, I was watching these people do something that I don't think would have been in their abilities if they were not hypnotized, you know? And then when they came out of it, there was this one woman who was kind of the breakout star of the show. She was the one who played the science officer in the. In the space sketch and stuff. And she just was like. She was just funny because she was like, no nonsense. And, like, she would say something and he would go, you know, she would say the reading is 12 something or other. And he would go, are you sure? She goes, of course I am. I'm the science officer. That's how this works. Like, she had this, like, huge confidence about everything she said. And then when they eventually, at the end of the show, the show was over. The hypnotist brings everybody out of their hypnotized state. Everybody's physicality up there changed, and she became pretty sheepish. It was kind of like, I could see her kind of talking to the improv guy, you know, as everybody was clapping, kind of being like, oh, my God, was that okay? Everybody seemed on stage, like, they immediately looked like the way that people that aren't on stage a lot look when they're on stage, you know, but. Which was very different than how they had appeared, you know, sort of while they were in the hypnosis. So it was. It was interesting. It was. I'm now a person who. If this comes up at parties, I will. Is hypno. Is hypnosis real? I will probably be on the side of. I do think it is a real thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, maybe you should get hypnotized, because this is my problem is like, everything. Like, I want you to know that I believe everything that you say for real. Like, and this is just my problem. But, like, I am still just so skeptical. And I'm not saying that there aren't certain aspects of it. Like, maybe you can get somebody to maybe, like, get into a flow state that has a little bit. That gives you a little bit more confidence. But this idea of, like, almost Losing yourself into your own body, sort of like, I just can't. And I don't know why. Like, I'm. Part of me does want to sort of follow because I. I think about magic. I think about magic as well. Right. And I close magic or what, have whatever. Like, you see it at the. Whatever you see at the Magic Castle, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like. And I've experienced that. And you literally can't believe your eyes. But you know that there's a rational explanation for it. And with hypnotism, I'm not saying that they're. The thing more than anything that you just said is I do believe that when people say, I went. I couldn't quit smoking, I tried everything, and then I got hypnotized and it worked. Some people have said that I can't think of anybody specifically in my life, but I kind of believe that. So I do believe that there is something. But also I believe that if you're somebody who's going in for it, maybe you've opened your mind to the possibility that it does work. So then, you know, there are. And again, that's not.

[Luke Burbank]

Not cheating.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's just saying the mind works in a certain way, and we're gonna take advantage of that. You know what I mean? For the better when it comes to something like kicking a bad addiction like that. But I still. When you tell this story, I'll be honest with you. And again, I don't mean this as disrespect to your story or what you're saying, Luke, because I believe that these probably weren't plants. But as you're telling the story, I'm quite literally doubting Thomas over here from the Bible and just thinking like, yeah, but I'd still love to follow this show around a little it and just see if any of these people show back up, you know, or. Or what have you. And, you know, it's more.

[Luke Burbank]

This is a weirdly. This is a weirdly. If. If this was part of throwing us off the scent, it was pretty genius, because this is a kind of slightly complicated thing, but I'll try to explain it. So one of the things they were doing to get prompts, you know, because how improv is, you know, we need a location and whatever was. People had apparently filled out some prompts before the show, and they would put those, like, as a slide up on. Behind the stage, and they had the five people on stage who are now in the hypnotic, hip, hypnotized state, and they put up one of the slides, and I forget what it Was. It was a suggestion. And they read it and the Colin Mochrie guy looked at the slide and he goes, is this person. Let's say the person was named Elizabeth. He goes, is Elizabeth here in the audience who wrote this? And then you just hear people yell, she's on stage. Oh, it was like her friends. In fact, I believe that was the woman who kind of was the star of the show. Now, again, you could be. We could be.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, how many plants. Like half of the audience is creating this.

[Luke Burbank]

But I don't know. I mean, again, again, it could be.

[Andrew Walsh]

They.

[Luke Burbank]

This. It would be interesting to go to another one of these. Another one of these shows and see what the similarities were. But that one, that to me was. I was like, well, they didn't set that part up because, like, they didn't know that that was. You know, the person who put the slide, you know, had put in the suggestion for the slide was also a person who was on stage.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. You know, putting the. And I think I've talked around this on the show a little bit before, and I want to be very careful and respectful here because this person could very easily hear this because there's somebody who will listen to the show from time to time, I believe. But like, putting even the hypnosis skepticism aside from me, for me or whatever, I saw a really wonderful performance by somebody who is a mutual friend of both of ours years ago. And there was this audience interaction part that was incredible. It was incredible that this nerdy guy ended up getting up and going wild the way he did. And I thought that was great. And we were even hanging with our friend afterwards. She's like, yeah, he was great. And then I start reading all the write ups of it, and that guy was at every single show, like, he was clearly. And I hope my friend never hears me say this. And it was a wonderful show and they know how talented they are and how successful that show was. But if you ever thought that I was going to give up my skepticism around plans that show did me. That set me back a long, long, long, long way of trusting.

[Luke Burbank]

My. My mom was talking about. I was telling them about the show last night and mom was like, well, that was like why I could never get slain in the spirit. She goes, I just couldn't, like, let myself go. And I go, well, also, because it's not a real thing, but, well, that's.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you think that's an interesting sort of comparison though? Like, you. You think that?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And again, I don't know much about it's. So funny. We're coming kind of back to this idea of like, it all comes to the church. The church, the megachurch, but also, what do you call that sweet of healing, the faith healing and everything that goes along with that. Like when people are in the church and they're, they're, they're making the sounds that they make or speaking in tongues or whatever. Like, I, you know, again, I don't, I don't want to betray some private conversations that you and I have had where you were describing your childhood. And some people are kind of like, oh, I know this, I know this person's routine.

[Luke Burbank]

You're not, you're not portraying anything. My sisters and I would play like Name that tune, but it would be the way that people spoke in tongues from the church. It was very repetitive.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I do believe that they're doing that because they are giving themselves over in a way. You know what I mean? Like, I both feel like there's a. I believe that there's both an explanation for it, but also these people truly are believing it on some level. You know what I mean? Somewhere they are truly believing it.

[Luke Burbank]

I agree. And I do think that there are similarities. The difference is, in my opinion, having seen this thing on Saturday night, is the people who were speaking in tongues were bad at it because they were. Yes, they were giving themselves over to it. Yes, they were trying to get into their own flow state with God, but because that's not a real thing, they couldn't think of new syllables to make sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Other than she diakodia. She diakodia. Shediakodia, shediakodia. And so that to me would. If the improv. In fact, it's funny, there was this like, like point where I. Again, the story was very convoluted on stage with the improv and what was happening. But there was this one woman who was up there and she was supposed to be translating between this alien language and this other language. And he was like, you only speak, like, like you only speak. Let's just say it's not Dothraki, but like you only speak Dothraki, she just shifts into like a complete gibberish language. Which didn't sound good. It didn't sound like, like when they write, you know, Klingon or Dothraki words, like it has its own kind of, you know, rules. It didn't sound that good, but it also sounded like a crazy made up language that you just did on the spot. Yeah, that was so much better than the way that I heard People speaking in tongues at Gospel outreach.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure.

[Luke Burbank]

Because I think they were in their conscious mind, they were trying to get to this flow state, but they were not there. Whereas I would say that there's. This person was a little bit further into it because of the hypnotist pushing them there. But I totally agree with you that, like, by the very point of people going on stage to be part of this, they're already demonstrating that they want to be a part of it, they want to believe it, they're predisposed. And so I think that helps a lot. Like, I don't think, I mean, I would be sort of happy to be hypnotized, but I mean, you know, my fear around all of this stuff is that I'm going to say something racist. Whether it's coming out of colonoscopy surgery or being hypnotized. I don't, I don't, I don't trust. I don't trust my brain when I'm not driving the bus. And frankly, I don't trust it when I am driving the bus. But especially, like, I don't, I'm. I don't know what kind of, what kind of BS I'd get up to if I was hypnotized, but again, I guess I wouldn't rule it out and I would try, but I don't think I could go there. I don't think I could put myself in the receptive state to have it really happened. Happen.

[Andrew Walsh]

Unfortunately, I will say, unfortunately, I don't think I have that specific concern. Although I did tell you about the time that the day I woke up and I had to have oral surgery and they were totally putting me under. And the song I woke up with in my head that day was Juicy by Biggie Smalls, which has some pretty prominently placed N words. And I was like, I cannot in my twilight state be singing the part of this song that is going through my head right now. But I will say, when you were talking about having to make up a language on the fly like that, that that puts ice in my veins just thinking about it. Like, if you said right now, like you and I have noted, we are, I will put this on me. I am very bad at any kind of an improv situation. But even, even in the silly things that we do on this show. But one of the worst things you could do to me would say speak in a different language or a made up language right now because I do feel that, like, I would be so unbelievably bad at that. And so uncreative at that. That, and that is a type of thing where you could find yourself accidentally slipping into tropes and stereotypes of other languages that you might have heard in a different era of Looney Tunes or something along those lines.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a minefield.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

How many Straight of Hormuz.

[Andrew Walsh]

I have a solution for that, by the way. I'll tell you about it after the show.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, well, the last thing I'll say, and again, I don't have any. I don't got a. I don't have a Doug on this flight. Really. So I'm not, I'm not.

[Andrew Walsh]

Put it in your pamphlet, Wes.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, I am not like obsessively trying to defend the reality of this, but just one other little sort of data point that I'm just remembering now is that the woman who was speaking the made up language was literally sitting in front of us when we got seated. So she was in the row in front of us in the theater. And what I remember was like when they called her volunteers, she shot up there. Well, she was, I believe her sort of maybe like grown daughter, Maybe in her 20s or something was there with her, her daughter and her daughter's boyfriend. Right. These are the people that are sitting in front of us. This woman goes up there and like they were dying about her being up there. And I remember at some point the boyfriend kind of squeezing the shoulder of his girlfriend and saying, oh my God, this is like so fun. So like.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, so like you would need so many actors in the audience reacting to every single person.

[Luke Burbank]

I might have been the only non actor in the film.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Because that's why my ticket was in $8,000.

[Andrew Walsh]

Everybody is putting on a show like, oh, the family and the audience because they want to be convincing to the Burbanks behind them or whatever. It's just like, wait, who is there? Then the next thing you know, you're just insane. You're just spinning around saying none of you people are real.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. So. So again I tend, I tend to think it was, it was real people, but. Yeah, but, but again, you know, it was. Yeah, it's, it's, it's hard for me to imagine how it, how it all works because it seems like I cannot imagine myself getting into a state where I literally don't, I mean, without drugs or alcohol, where, I don't know, like where I. One of the things is like, you know, your belly button is missing and everybody was like looking for their belly button. It's like I, I can't imagine being so befuddled by a hypnotist that I thought my belly button went away.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I just can't. I feel like I would look at my stomach and see my belly. But Button. Yeah. Like, well, that's not happening. Like, I can't. I can't imagine myself in that. In that state of mind. But. But, hey, it was a. It was a fun Saturday night. It was a fun thing to watch. The. The Oscars happened last night. We were kind of talking at the top of the show a little bit about Matt Berry being the announcer. I guess he replaced. I'd forgotten that it was Nick Offerman. In years past, I wonder if like,

[Andrew Walsh]

or year past, maybe year past, I had only. I don't, you know, I don't follow these things, so I'm not trying to correct. I had thought I had read that he had just done it for one year, but I could be wrong about that.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm wondering if the announcer job is something that they. They like to have some fun with. I mean, Nick Offerman is, like, pretty. Like, he could do a pretty straightforward job with it. But I. I mean, he is, I guess you could say a little bit of a. That's a choice too, right? Like, he's got a distinct kind of voice. And you're not just going with, like, Alan Coulter, the guy who calls the Super Bowls, who's the PA Announcer, who just. Who just has the deepest voice. You know, you could just get somebody

[Andrew Walsh]

who just in arena voice, like the. In.

[Luke Burbank]

He is the inner ring. And the reason that I even know his name. No, not Alan Coulter. What am I saying? That's Alan Coulter was Letterman's guy. There's a different guy. I think his name is also Alan who does the Super Bowls. And the only reason I know him is because they have him on Stern a lot and they just have him release. Because Howard Stern is obsessed with people who have a deeper voice than him. And this guy has, like, an incredibly deep voice. But what they have him doing, they just have him say all this funny stuff, which they now do just play out of context. So, like, if Robin Quivers is doing something, it'll just be the super bowl in arena announcer going Robin. And it's like the funniest thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it Bill Stern? I'm just trying to Google on the flyer. Did you get there Bill Stern? Oh, no, no. He died in 1971. So that would be. That'd be a.

[Luke Burbank]

Hell, I feel like this guy's name is also Alan, but Alan Roach. Alan Roach, maybe Robin. Alan Roach find. See if you can find Alan Roach Stern show. I don't know if that was.

[Andrew Walsh]

Super bowl announcer Alan Roach demonstrates his legacy, his legendary deep voice. This is from Stern, but it's on. I'm on a SoundCloud page. Lou. This is from.

[Luke Burbank]

I've always wanted to be a SoundCloud

[Andrew Walsh]

rapper, by the way. Do you know that this is a thing Genevieve and I use SoundCloud to release after these messages. That's the behind the scenes platform that we use. People don't listen on SoundCloud. It just feeds all the usual podcatchers, you know. But it's amazing because, I mean, ever since we've been doing this and it's been over 10 years now, I think, or about 10 years, we will get like bots or what we used to think of spammers. And then we're like, oh, well, they're probably just bots. But it'll just be like, your track is fire. Like all these, like, just like hyping us up about, like our track. Like, we're gonna get you radio play. And we're like, really? You really like that 90 minute episode where we talked about police officers in commercials or whatever. Next. Now me just randomly playing Howard Stern audio on this show seems like a very dangerous game. But I can always, you know, we're not live here. We can clean this up in post, but you just want me to hit play on this. So the. The. There's a playlist here with several tracks. And let's see here. And it says, super bowl announcer Alan Roach demonstrates his legendary deep voice. This first track is called Angie the Howard Stern Show.

[Luke Burbank]

How many different drops do you have

[Andrew Walsh]

of Robin over there, Fred?

[Luke Burbank]

That's pretty awesome. What you see, that's 10 billion. Here's. Here's the wall.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't have a penis. So now you know.

[Luke Burbank]

This is a good one.

[Susie Burbank]

Course is fun.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is.

[Luke Burbank]

This is quite. I'm gonna.

[Andrew Walsh]

Your car. Oh, jeez. All right, so let's stop that for a second.

[Luke Burbank]

I think we'll just have to bleep all of that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Bleep a lot of that. Let's see here. It's probably not worth it. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

All that is to say.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, wait, here it is here. I think I played the wrong track. For real. Let's just show.

[Luke Burbank]

But you know, it's funny with that voice, like, do people take you seriously? Like, I don't mean when you're announcing. I'm talking about when you are in your everyday life. It's Almost distracting. It's hard to even hear what you're saying.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I can't talk in a restaurant or in like a hotel lobby. You know, I'm just talking to my friends, hey, what do you want to go? And I see, you know, 11 heads in the room turn around and look at me and say, what is this? That freak voice over there. And. Yeah, it's impossible to whisper.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, because when you did that, like. And now, ladies and gentlemen, Gladys Knight.

[Andrew Walsh]

Try to whisper. Let me hear what that sounds like. Well, there's no difference.

[Luke Burbank]

He's whispering now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Either whispering or whispering. So you can't hear at all. I actually kind of got into that. But I realized place at a certain point, me just listening to the Howard Stern show on our own podcast is probably not in the rule book. But. Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

My point in all that was to say they, for some reason, at least the last two years, it seems like they haven't gone with just a deep voiced person. I think, I think the idea of the announcer is kind of like one more little element of entertainment that they factor in, considering that it doesn't really matter that much. You're just saying the names of the people that are walking out to like, you know, give the award or whatever, and then a few other like, sponsorship messages. And so this year they decided to go with our pal Matt Berry, who we love, of course, on this show, and play so much audio of. And as I mentioned at the top of the show, I was gonna play you. I was gonna play you a super cut of him saying people's names, but it's very hard to make out over the audio. So I'll just play you this. This was him talking to Conan. This was him being sort of introduced. I think maybe midway through the show. I don't know what the bit was, but Conan had walked out with a leaf blower and was blowing off the stage with a leaf blower. And then he did this.

[Andrew Walsh]

The Oscars are an international event. In that spirit, please welcome, live from London, our announcer, Matt Berry.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you, Colonel.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's a huge honor and a thrill to be here tonight. Well, we're thrilled to have you, Matt. Who are you excited, excited to see tonight?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I've always been a fan of

[Andrew Walsh]

Benicio Del Toro, Sigourney Fever, and of course, Basil Rathbone. Sorry to tell you, Matt, Basil Rathbone

[Luke Burbank]

died almost 60 years ago. Is that right? Well, that's live TV for you.

[Andrew Walsh]

I like, he's talking very stilted too.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I. Because I think there Was like a delay. Was he really in London? I don't know what the point of that was.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

Get him on a plane. Let's have him, you know, in a sound booth. It seems like having your announcer, if that was true, and maybe somebody will email in and clarify. Maybe that was part of the bit because he's British. But, like, I mean, it was a split screen. He was on a video screen. And it's like, if he was in London.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, he probably does a lot of work in California. Probably, like, maybe that LA area, like you'd think.

[Luke Burbank]

I feel like. Like what we do in the shadows, probably there was at least some amount of that that was shot in California and his other projects, like, also, it's the Oscars, you know, budgets aren't what they used to be, but they could probably get him out to Los Angeles because, like, what if the. What if the ISDN line goes down? Andrew, Our greatest fear, like, your announcers just. I could see that where there's just some kind of technical snafu and, you know, your announcer is literally like an ocean away. That seems. Again, maybe I was. Maybe that was part of the bit that he was supposed to be in London or something. Although he wasn't like standing in front of Big Ben or anything. He was just in a kind of a nondescript look like, audio. Audio booth or something. But if they did that, I don't know why they did that. But anyway, I think a lot of people, particularly a lot of our fans probably who are watching the Oscars got a big kick out of Matt Berry being associated with it.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know who they should do next year is. Is Flight of the Concords. Jermaine. Clementine. Jermaine.

[Luke Burbank]

He'd be great.

[Andrew Walsh]

He'd be really good. He's one of those voices. I sometimes get him a little bit confused with Matt Berry because they both have very lyrical voices that people. They'll just show up in very interesting places. You know, you're like, oh, of course that voice. That voice wasn't.

[Luke Burbank]

Isn't. He also. Isn't Jermaine Clement in what we do in the shadows.

[Andrew Walsh]

He was one of the creators of the movie, and I think he was in the movie, but I don't think he was in the TV show. Okay, gotcha. And I have not seen the movie yet. I actually have the movie on a hard drive. I've been meaning to watch.

[Luke Burbank]

Watch it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Maybe I'll watch that on my. On my upcoming flight. Because I've been. I've been meaning to watch that. Have you seen the original?

[Luke Burbank]

I. With Taika? Yeah, Watiki. I think I saw the original and I haven't watched the TV show, but people love the TV show.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I've watched a lot of the TV show. That's really good.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm. I'm a little right now tied up watching some show called, like, Sounder or something. It's like my mom brought the DVD from the library. It's like. It's some. It's a show where basically, like, this couple from Vancouver, bc, moved to New Zealand to run some kind of a business. But. But the husband goes missing sort of, you know, early on in the show. And. And we don't know if he's dead or faking his death or what's been going on. And it's, you know, it's just kind of your typical, like. It's. What's. What's so weird about is it's the kind of show that I would never, ever, ever watch if my mom didn't bring it over on dvd. And now I'm kind of into it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I like that, though. I'm glad you said that last part, because I like that there's something about that. Like, well, I wouldn't sit down and watch this myself, but, you know, it sort of presented itself, and now here we are. And I'm not hating it.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I'm kind of excited for tonight. Walt and I are going to. I want to know what's going on with. With the people in this show, so. But every time this happens, then I lose ground on. I'm losing ground on DTF St. Louis. I'm losing ground on Neighbors, the show on HBO that I like. The reality show. There's another one that I'm. I can't even remember that I was getting into that I'm falling behind on. So all for, like, a show on DVD from the Kitsap Public Library.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love that. I gotta tap into my public library. I've been hearing a lot more people talk about that recently. I just saw again over the weekend, somebody posted somewhere like, hey, if you miss going to Blockbuster, like, you might want to just check out your library. It's kind of fun.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I mean, Becca is big on the Libby app. You know, just like, reading a book

[Andrew Walsh]

on Libby right now.

[Luke Burbank]

Tons of books, and then gets lots of audiobooks and stuff. Like. Yeah, no, I think the public library is where it's at.

[Andrew Walsh]

Speaking of books, by the way, I wanted to tell you this. I told you that I spent way Too much time. And I know it's going to be a disappointment spending way too much time, like, putting too much research into, like, the book that I'm gonna read on vacation. But, like, for me, going on vacation to a sunny place, I'm going to Hawaii pretty soon is like, it. It's just an excuse to be half in the pool, leaning on, like, in the bag. Half in the pool, half in the bag, reading the book. Right. You know what I mean? My move is to, like, be in the pool, but hanging on the edge of the pool, my arms out of the pool, on the concrete, holding a book. Right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

And ideally holding a screwdriver as well. And I'm not talking about the tool. And so. And I. I was telling you this on the show, and I'm sorry to be tedious here, but I'll reiterate that I really, really enjoyed that pension book Inherent Vice that I read, which was a longer book. And some people say that, you know, you have to. There was a lot of things that I did have to sort of like, kind of reference, like, I had to go on there. There are a lot of, like, companion websites to kind of help explain some of the. The cultural references and how things are tied into his universe or whatever. But for the most part, like, I just found it to be a very, very fun book that I kind of couldn't put down. And so that was the only thing I've ever read by him. And I was like, well, right now I'm just reading like, a dime store novel that's actually quite bad. Well, I used to like reading just like, you know, kind of crappy, pulpy fiction like this. But it's just such a difference when you're reading a book by somebody who loves writing, you know what I mean, and is a good writer versus just like, this trash that I'm reading right now. So. So anyway, I was like, well, what's going to be my next pension book? I don't want something that's too challenging, but I want to enjoy it by the pool. Is this even the right author? So I do a little bit of research. I'm like, okay, so I think I told you this on the show. It's the crying of Lot 49 or whatever. And I bought it online via a. I think it's, I want to say, bookstore.org, it was like some cool site that actually supports local bookstores. You can choose a local bookstore, and then when you buy books from them, some of the proceeds actually support your local bookstores. Even though you're buying them online. Very excited about that. The book came in the mail this weekend. I'm going to hold this up. Look how thin it is. This is like a novella. It's not even that small of print either. Like I am a very slow reader. But I may have.

[Luke Burbank]

But you're going to get through that far too quickly.

[Andrew Walsh]

I may have gotten a vacation book. And again, I'm not complaining. Like I'm actually glad that I bought this from the place that I bought it. It seemed like a cool place and I'm going to buy more books from them. But is another example of buying something online. I know the information was there. I could have looked at page count. It just didn't occur to me. But if I were at the. What's that little bookstore? I think it's been there forever. Right off of the Ave. In the university.

[Luke Burbank]

Magus Books.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And I love going Magus.

[Luke Burbank]

Magus book.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think it's Magus maybe. Yeah. And if I were at Magus shopping for this, I would have seen this and said, oh well I'll get something else for the trip. And you know, and you know, read this another time or something. It was just so, it almost felt, it almost felt comedic when I pulled this out of my mailbox because I was like, this box is too small. And then I pulled it out, I was like, well this is another example of online shopping.

[Luke Burbank]

I've got an example of that too, Andrew. Of a book that I bought online that was exactly not what I wanted it to be, which was a listener. And I'm sorry I'm spacing on the name but a listener had sent me a picture of this book by Art Bell and the COVID of it I think that the book is called the Art of Talk and it's got this great picture of I think of Art Bell on the COVID And again it's called the Art of Talk because his name is Art or whatever. And it just seemed like first of all, I love Art Bell. Second of all, it just had like this incredible cover that I thought would be kind of funny to put up in the backdrop here at the Madrona Hill Studio. Just like an Art Bell book. And so I go find a place that's selling the book and I buy the book and Andrew, it shows up. It has no cover on it.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, it's like one of those old school like, like binded like rebound books, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And you can see on the, on the spine it says the Art of Talk.

[Andrew Walsh]

Uh huh.

[Luke Burbank]

By Art Bell. But it doesn't have the main thing I wanted, which was the COVID which, I mean, that's what I get.

[Andrew Walsh]

I wonder if it doesn't. Does it probably had a sleeve originally. It's probably not rebound. It probably had a sleeve.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. I think it had a cover on it that somebody stole because the COVID was so cool looking. They sent me the book with no cover on it. All I wanted. I mean, this is what I get for literally buying a book for its cover. They say, don't do that. But I just couldn't believe because I also thought I was like, I bought this from some, you know, online bookseller and I felt like I was being part of the solution of, you know, pushing back on Amazon or whatever. And then it shows up and it doesn't have the one thing that I wanted it for, which was.

[Andrew Walsh]

Was.

[Luke Burbank]

And I don't know if you Google it, if it will. If you'll see what the COVID was that I was looking for with this thing. So I think it actually has a few different covers. But I just. I thought that was kind of funny that when it showed up, it was definitely not what I was expecting it to be and is essentially useless to me now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I will. I just want to shout out the. The service that I used was called bookshop.org I think I said bookstore before, but it seems pretty good and I think I've used them before. I'd heard good things. Things. I think this service also is recommended by a 10, so thank you for that and I will go back.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm looking at the COVID of the Art of Talk that I was hoping to get. And it's a very. It's like an airbrushed painting of Art Bell and he's holding a lit cigarette and talking into a mic and there's a. Oh, this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my gosh.

[Luke Burbank]

UFO behind him.

[Andrew Walsh]

What I thought it was going to be. There's another one that's actually a photograph, a photograph of the studio, but it's in color and he's leaning back a little bit. I think I like that one even more.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe that's the one I wanted.

[Andrew Walsh]

The airbrush one is a little bit. Bit.

[Luke Burbank]

You think I would remember. Maybe it. Maybe it was the photograph one. Whatever it was, it was a listener who like DM me on Instagram and said, like, look at how crazy this book is. Isn't this awesome? And I was like, that is awesome. Then I went right around and bought it and managed to buy one that didn't have.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that. That is rough. No, the one with the photo is awesome. You see his little board in the background? It looks like he's almost got a home studio long before everybody else did. But I guess that was his thing, right? He did it literally.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, In. In. In his double wide in Paris where he could control everything. Wild card line west of the Rockies. Robin.

[Andrew Walsh]

No Robin.

[Luke Burbank]

No Robin.

[Andrew Walsh]

No screener. By the way, this is very off topic, but I assume we're wrapping up now and maybe even knocking on the door of some Bad Land action. Consider this Bad Land. But speaking of plays on words involving people named Art, one of my earliest Brown's memories was. And I remember, like, this stuck in my. My brain. And I think I remember it because it seemed shocking to me at the time. I didn't know that you could do this. And maybe this led to an adulthood where I feel how I feel about money suppressing speech. But I remember somebody getting kicked out of Cleveland Brown Stadium. I was watching it on television, but I was watching a Browns game when Art Modell still owned the team and before he had taken it out of Cleveland, but everybody hated him, and the Browns were terrible, and he mismanaged everything. And I remember somebody held up a giant banner in the crowd that said, losing is a work of art. And I remember being a kid and thinking, like, that was really funny wordplay. And then thugs came, took down the sign, and I think ejected the guy. And I remember feeling like it was such a miscarriage of justice.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I mean, that's such. I mean, that is. That's really genius on multiple levels. Yeah, like, that's really smart. I mean, don't take this the wrong way, but. But, like, from a Browns fan.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Didn't. I'm not. It's not. I don't know what NFL fan base I expect to be deploying the best wordplay, but I don't know. Oh, really? Oh, that was a roasting. Well, listen. You mean from the people that brought you a guy in a dog mask? I am not throwing batteries.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, this. Unfortunately, my take on this affects one of your beloved teams as well. But I have always. I mean, ever since I was a kid.

[Luke Burbank]

Don't you dare.

[Andrew Walsh]

And this time, only speaking of it as the Cleveland Browns thing, but referring to the team as the dogs and spelling it D A W, G is one of my least favorite things.

[Luke Burbank]

And unfortunately, I don't love it either.

[Andrew Walsh]

By the way, it applies to the uw. Now, here's the one thing that makes more sense. First of all, the Cleveland Browns have nothing to do with Dogs. Them just inventing this thing called the dog pound and then spelling it in that atrocious way.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I don't think I realized that it was also spelled dawg for the dog pound in Cleveland.

[Andrew Walsh]

Indeed it is. And I don't like that. At least with the UW argument as well. It has a W in it because Washington, the uw, it's like, kind of part of our brand. But I. I don't just. There's something about, like, just spelling dog that way just hearkens back to an era of a fe. If you're not the lead dog, enjoy the view or whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

Never change.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what I mean? Stay on the porch. Like, all of that. All of that. Like, I just. It sets my teeth on edge still. But, like, yeah, I'm not a big fan of the D. You've given me,

[Luke Burbank]

though, some ammo, actually. That's really. You've given me some ammo, which is helpful. A friend of mine, Kara, is like, a crazed University of Georgia fan because she went to the University of Georgia, and they also call themselves the dogs, and they spell it the same way the daw. They do. And, like. And like, I've always been like, well, aren't we that? Or something. But I like. And Andrew, I'm 49 years old. I went to the University of Washington. I don't think I really put it together that. That the spelling it D a W, G, S is. Well, you could at least say that Washington is part of that. It's W. You can't say that with Georgia. Like, in other words, I feel like,

[Andrew Walsh]

am I even right about that? I think I'm just saying something that Genevieve has said to me when I have made this argument to her. I'm just kind of like, first of all. And again, now I'm not trying to hurt feelings for real. Like, you. You and your family have supported some of my weird choices in sports fandom. And so I feel like I owe you guys the respect of at least not talking down about Huskies culture. But I really. The bow down thing, I really don't like that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, there's a lot of that kind of stuff that, like, is probably not my favorite. And also, like, I'm not even. Here's the thing. And maybe this is different. It's weird. My. We're really in the badlands now. If I'm talking. That's right. Oh, it's. Believe you me, sir, it's at the ready. Go Huskies. Dogs. I think because of how weird college sports have gotten to me, just the realignment of everything, literally the realignment of the conferences and the fact that they're the nil deals and all this money now, which, again, I think that players should get paid. So I don't have a problem with it. It's just. I. So I'm so disconnected from college sports and college. Particularly college football. I mean, I grew up listening to every single Husky game on the radio. And then occasionally when they'd be on national TV and on regular network television, always watching that, too, if we had a TV at the time. And I just cared so much about it. And I probably would have. If everything would have stayed the same and if also my personality would have been like, I go to the games. I sailgate. I still care about Husky football the way I used to. I'd probably be defending Bow down to Washington or Dogs or Sun Dodger, Although I don't think the mascot is named Sun Dodger anymore. I forget what the particular Huskies name.

[Andrew Walsh]

His name is. I'm supposed to. Wait, hold on. I know this. Luke. His name is Dub. Dubs.

[Luke Burbank]

Dubs. Well, there you go. Like, I don't. It's. It's weird for somebody who went to that university and who does, you know, when the Huskies are good, I will definitely watch the games. And on a Saturday, you know, if it's on tv, I'll watch them. But, like, it's weird. I just don't. I just don't have the energy to try to defend any of the bullshit. Like, I just don't have the. I just don't care enough about college sports to be like, well, here's why. Bow down to Washington doesn't suck in.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't have it in me. I could probably get that up for some Mariner conversations or some Seahawk conversations or things that, like, really do kind of, like, take up a lot of my bandwidth. But for whatever reason, and again, as a person who. I was obsessed with Husky sports when I was a kid growing up in Seattle. Like, every Husky game was an event for me. Every football game, that is, every Husky basketball game, I would listen to Bob Rondo on the radio. He called the football games and the basketball games. Like, so somehow in all of that and then in going to the college or the university and then graduating, I just sort of. I did not become one of those people that still identify super strongly with their college sport thing where there's. Taught. There's tons of them. You go to Husky Stadium, you see a lot of people. It's their whole social life again. They do the sailgating. They do all of it. I'm just not one of those people for some reason.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's probably for the best. Honestly.

[Luke Burbank]

I got enough. I got enough. Enough bad sports obsessions that cloud my judgment. I don't need. I don't need another one.

[Andrew Walsh]

I am so glad that I remember Dubs on the fly there. It doesn't really matter, and it's not as widespread spread of a thing. But, like, I had. This is so dumb. I should admit this, but, like, I had some. I wouldn't say intrusive thoughts because they weren't like. They weren't the kind that were, like, really poisonous. That were. But it really drove me crazy that you and I could not think of Bryce Miller the other day. I'm sorry. Well, this is the thing. Bryce Harper. I can't remember exactly how it came up in conversation, but all I remember was like, what's that guy's name? And all I had in my head, Mormon was Bryce Miller. And because Bryce Miller was in my head, we couldn't think of the word. Bryce Harper. One of the. One of the biggest names in baseball, especially even going back, I would say, a few years ago, probably top 10.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, you're right.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would say, especially a few years ago when there was a dearth of any names in baseball court, it was Harper and Trout. Harper and Trout, right. Like, those were the guys. And like. And again, like, I don't know what percentage of our audience knew it right away and then kept thinking these guys are boneheads, or which part of the audience didn't know the answer anyway. But, like, probably our listeners in D.C. and Philly, but. And we have. We have a very vocal Philly. Philly listener who will text me a lot. But anyway, and so I was just like. And again, nobody gave me a hard time about it. Nobody wrote in and be like, really? But I just. I felt so exposed. No, not. I mean, I'm not. I'm not blaming you. It was just like. That's why I'm very glad that we can end this show, which I assume that we're doing here, without me being like, how did I not know that was Dubs? I know it's Dubs.

[Luke Burbank]

Dubs. We got your ability to remember mascots. Is this, by the way, someday when we're even further in the badland, in the Badlands. Difficult. Someday when we're further in the badlands. I want to talk about the fact that I don't. I don't. I don't think that you. You View your sports fandom through mascots. I don't think you do that, but I do think that you think more about uniforms.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Than any sports fan I know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like uniforms or mascots. Because unis. I would put uniform dur. I am.

[Luke Burbank]

Is Ders a big on that?

[Andrew Walsh]

I am a mere child. I for years tried to get our two friends, Ders and Nick Jarin, two of the biggest unis heads that I know. They would come over, watch games with us and have these wonderful conversations about uniforms, like, going like historical context. And I was like, guys, I will produce your podcast. Like, it was not a joke. I was like, you guys need to put this down. And now, of course, course, it's a little bit. I think that space has now been taken by Uni Watch and some of these other. Other outfits. But, like, I appreciate the compliment. I love talking about and thinking about uniforms, but I'm a mere babe in the woods, I'm afraid.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I'm a. I don't even know where I am. A zygote then, because I just don't. It's not probably because I don't wear a lot of team apparel. It's probably just something that's not front of mind for me. But anyway, when we were talking about double WBC and you're talking about the Mexico uniforms and all that, it had me thinking, but okay, did you see

[Andrew Walsh]

that the Czech uniforms were sweet, by the way. Uniforms. They looked a little bit like those old Steelhead uniforms that the Mariners are bringing back this year. Like white block letters, like very Eastern European.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm going to check those out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, he said it with his end

[Luke Burbank]

on a W. And hey, Andrew, you know what? Let's end on a dub.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, love it. Sorry, I just. The music accidentally.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks for listening, everybody. That's going to do it for today, but we will be right back here with a more imaginary radio for you tomorrow. So please join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves. Go Huskies. And please remember, go Dogs. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good luck to you all.

[Luke Burbank]

I won't say it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Power out.