#4687 Lemon Law

Summary

TBTL #4687 Lemon Law (March 19, 2026)

Episode Overview

Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh deliver their signature blend of humor, pop culture meandering, and low-stakes life conundrums in this Thursday episode. The show covers the triumphant court win of rapper Afroman against his local Ohio police department, a nostalgic rabbit hole about 90s soft rock anthems, shifting attitudes about sports fandom and the potential return of the Seattle Supersonics, and the show’s beloved birthday shoutout “Blursday” segment. All this is set against the backdrop of ongoing home renovations (and the accompanying noise) in Luke’s Madrona Hill studio.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Studio Upgrades and Parental Interruption ([01:50], [10:16])

• Luke’s dad, Walt, is installing a sink in the studio’s kitchenette, threatening background construction noise and providing comedic fodder.
• Walt’s creative pronunciations are a recurring theme: "latte" becomes "latte," and "Home Depot" transforms into "Home DePO".

"Who is my daddy and what does he do?" – Luke ([02:10])

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2. Afroman’s Legal Victory & The Lemon Pound Cake Saga ([02:55], [13:28], [23:18]-[46:52])

• Background: In 2022, Afroman’s home was raided by the Adams County, Ohio police on dubious grounds (drugs and kidnapping allegations). No charges were filed. Afroman responded by releasing the Lemon Pound Cake album, lampooning the raid and the officers involved.
• Court Case: The deputies sued Afroman for defamation and emotional distress, particularly noting his music videos, online posts, and even t-shirts depicting their faces.
• Key Songs:
  • “Will You Help Me Repair My Door?” ([26:06])
  • The viral “Lemon Pound Cake” song, with the memorable chorus and under-the-boardwalk riff, poking fun at a deputy eyeing the eponymous dessert during the raid ([28:04])
• Parody Law: The show dives into fair use and parody, referencing Weird Al and how parody sometimes does, but often does not, require permission ([33:24]-[34:20]).
• Legal and Ethical Quagmire:
  • Some of Afroman’s lyrics/comments are critiqued as misogynistic and mean-spirited—especially those directed at a female officer, who was shown sobbing on the stand ([37:04], [46:52]).
  • Luke and Andrew agree Afroman's music may be tasteless but his response is understandable given police overreach.
• Final Take: Jury finds in favor of Afroman; the hosts marvel at how this unlikely saga turned into a win for free speech and “the people.”

“If they wouldn't have come to my house and kicked in my door, none of this would have happened.” – (paraphrasing Afroman’s testimony) ([39:00])

“He nicknamed him that [Lemon Pound Cake] because … this cop, while coming into Afroman's kitchen … looks at the lemon pound cake … which was enough for Afroman to start calling this guy Lemon Pound Cake.” – Luke ([28:32])

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3. 90s Soft Rock Rabbit Hole ([06:44]-[13:18])

• Andrew laments the “husky-voiced” trend in soft rock (Bryan Adams, Rod Stewart, Sting), referencing the 1993 hit “All for Love” from the Three Musketeers soundtrack. Luke confesses he never encountered the song, possibly due to intentional rebellion against mainstream radio during his grunge-fueled youth.
• The two wax poetic about the inescapability of certain music on 90s cable TV and differences in regional/cultural exposure to pop hits.

“I call them dog voices, but that's just kind of a UW thing.” – Luke ([13:28])

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4. Social Media Nostalgia & Burnout ([14:40])

• Andrew reminds listeners (again) he’s not on Instagram, while Luke laments nothing has filled the “Twitter-shaped hole” in his heart.
• Brief sidebars on TikTok and Instagram as spectator versus participant platforms.

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5. Supersonics & The Return of Seattle Basketball ([15:16]-[21:12])

• Andrew is shocked by rumors (on a baseball podcast!) that the NBA’s Seattle team might return soon.
• Luke’s reaction is complicated by heartbreak over the original team's departure, doubts about returning fandom, and changes in NBA play style.
• The presence of Kevin Durant, drafted as a Sonic, serves as a symbol of the city’s unresolved basketball trauma.

“Something inside, like a pilot light, went out. … I don't know if it's gonna just relight.” – Luke ([16:29])

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6. Pop Culture: J. Lo & Ben Affleck & Super Bowl Ads ([21:12]-[22:31])

• They compare city-team relationships with the on-again, off-again J.Lo-Ben Affleck saga, using Super Bowl commercials as temporal markers.
• Luke recites current celebrity gossip headlines for comedic effect.

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7. Fast Food Soda Allegiances and Branding ([60:18]-[67:36])

• Luke and Andrew perform a surprisingly deep analysis of which fast-food chains serve Coke or Pepsi, leveraging this trivia to help a road-trip thirst crisis.
• Discussion includes: Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, KFC (all Pepsi), and the GOAT—McDonald's for Coke.
• Burger King’s retro uniforms and Australia’s “Hungry Jack’s” branding get a nostalgic mention.

“She goes, I am dying for a fountain diet coke. … As we're going down the freeway, I'm narrating based on the signs if it's a Coke or a Pepsi store.” – Luke ([60:18])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

Memorable Quotes

• On lemon pound cake as viral content:
  “He is brutally frame-mugged by a lemon pound cake.” – Luke ([29:04])

• On Afroman’s songwriting:
  “They all sound like songs that your friend could write while high in five minutes.” – Luke ([27:41])

• About sports heartbreak:
  “It’s almost like a relationship … you could have this very intense connection, and then things could fall apart … things might have just shifted fundamentally in a way that it can never really be retrieved or it can never go back to being how it was.” – Luke ([20:29])

• Social commentary:
  “Unfortunately, we have a justice system where there’s rarely justice for the people who are victimized by cops … So, I also don’t spend a lot of time weeping for these police officers.” – Andrew ([41:23])

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Timestamps for Highlights

• [02:55] – Introduction of the Afroman court case segment.
• [13:28] – The “husky-voiced” 90s soft rock discussion (“dog voices”).
• [26:06] – Afroman song “Will You Help Me Repair My Door?” is played.
• [28:04] – The “Lemon Pound Cake” song breakdown.
• [34:20] – Legal debate over parody law and Weird Al.
• [39:00] – Afroman’s courtroom testimony: no regrets.
• [46:52] – Reflections on police impunity and the case’s messiness.
• [60:18] – The great fast-food Coke-vs-Pepsi debate.
• [67:36] – “Hungry Jack’s” story and Australia travel photo nostalgia.

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Blursday Messages ([73:44])

• The tradition of Thursday listener birthday shoutouts continues.
• Notable this week:
  • Bill in Kings 10 turns official “senior citizen” and reminisces about TBTL since his youth.
  • Jake (“the perfect daddy”) gets a 35th birthday wish.
  • In-jokes about bucket hats and family gift-giving abound. ([77:15])

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Tone and Style

The episode is loose, playful, and meandering—typical of TBTL. The hosts blend deep dives into niche pop culture, personal history, and philosophical tangents with self-deprecating humor and a well-cultivated sense of “too beautiful to live” absurdity.

Luke and Andrew’s dynamic is affable, jam-packed with running jokes about their families, slightly overstated grievances (both personal and societal), and a shared affection for the small stuff—music, food, sports, and, above all, the TBTL community.

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Summary

This episode is a quintessential slice of TBTL, with the hosts alternating between lighthearted pop culture deep-dives (soft rock, fast food, bucket hats) and a surprisingly thorough, nuanced breakdown of a viral news story (Afroman’s court drama). The mix of cultural analysis, earnest reflection, and comedy—plus community engagement via Blursday shoutouts—makes for an engaging, well-rounded listen for both longtime listeners and newcomers.

Transcript

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We have a witness go on record saying that they saw you in the White House parking lot with Mr. Egan, Ms. Bruckheimer and Senator Pierce. That's correct.

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I ran into them by chance because I was merely getting something from my car.

[A]

What were you getting?

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I was getting some medicine.

[A]

What kind of medicine?

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Um, it's knee medicine.

[A]

Knee medicine?

[B]

Yeah, knee medicine. I have problems with my left knee. It hurts when I crouch.

[A]

What was the name of the medicine?

[B]

I want to say it's called Crouch Cream. But that's not right. It's a white tube with a red label. I'm sure an intern could research this. It has a silhouette of a horse on it, and I don't know why the horse is on there. I guess horses probably have good knees, so. But I think it's called Kneezee Kneezy Cream. I don't think that's it.

[A]

Tbtm. He hates these cans.

[B]

Stay away from the cans.

[A]

This is genius. This is genius work. Just cause you like Lance laying around your house in your underpants doesn't mean

[B]

the United States of America has to see it.

[A]

Is there and I'm just guessing here some kind of medication that you maybe need a lot of and have taken none of or maybe too much of today?

[B]

I stand corrected. This is compelling radio. Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Thursday edition of TBT All. The show just might be too beautiful to live.

[A]

It does take time and it is a pain in the ass.

[B]

My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. I am extraordinary coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where you may, throughout today's episode, hear a certain amount of construction noise going on here in the studio.

[A]

Hey, want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?

[B]

That is because my dad Walt is in the final stages of installing a sink here in the sort of kitchenette of the Madrona Hill studio. Who is my daddy and what does he do? And I asked him how loud he thought that the project was going to be and he said, not very loud. Although you might hear me muttering Chinese bullshit at some point. So just everyone prepare for that as we've made it to episode 4687 in a collector series, Let the Fun begin. Here's a sentence I didn't really expect to be uttering today if you would have asked me a week ago. Afroman has prevailed in court in Ohio.

[A]

I'm the president of rap music and I need to work with you right away.

[B]

It's somehow become quite the story story of Afroman being sued by his local police department and then beating them in court. A jury finding that he did not in fact slander these, these police officers. We'll talk about the details of the case. Also, I'm sure most of you already know this, but it's the 20 year and two day anniversary of the Crichton leprechaun story to me. It look like a leprechaun to me in Mobile, Alabama. And we'll once again endeavor to get to the story here on two days after St. Patrick's Day, which is a Thursday if I'm looking at the calendar right, which means it's also a blurs day. So. So we'll do the blursday messages too. Cause that's what we do on Thursdays here. And the guy who's in charge of that, well, it's this dude. Longest running cobra of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Of course, the baseball season is just around the corner and he is already in mid season form.

[A]

What's courageous about eating a hot dog?

[B]

He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning my friend.

[A]

Good morning Luke. I'm getting these blurs days ready as we speak. I'm encouraging. Great bat. Just a great batch today. Honestly. Stick around, stick around for that if you can. Can you?

[B]

I, I can. I mean I've got nowhere to be. That's not true. I've got to do Livewire tonight. So we, we, you know, we've got to keep this under seven hours.

[A]

Oh, okay. I'll.

[B]

How many blows I'll lose the bit

[A]

where I get into race and American baseball then if we need to lose something to keep it under seven hours.

[B]

Plus we covered that I believe yesterday.

[A]

Well, I had some more thoughts on the topic. I had been doing less thinking on it and so wanted to swing back around so I could add to my already articulate thoughts.

[B]

Honestly, I think your thoughts. Well, I would say Dave Sims thoughts and then your thoughts about Dave Sims's thoughts. And we're not. Andrew, for the love of God, we're not talking about your beloved World Baseball Classic again today.

[A]

What is that?

[B]

But.

[A]

Oh, that.

[B]

Yeah, like anything to me.

[A]

I barely even remember that. That's history.

[B]

But no, I, I think that that was, I thought that was an. I've been thinking about our conversation about that that happened at the way way way way end of the show yesterday. Thankfully.

[A]

I.

[B]

So it's got me reflecting on it. Maybe there was some kind of a I don't know, something interesting about it.

[A]

It's got me missing, which is. And again, I don't. I think maybe a lot of people miss Dave Simms around here. I'm not exactly sure. Like, he was kind of beloved by the Mariners fan base, but he also, he was sort of stuck in between. Right? He didn't have that like old school legacy that Rick Riz has sort of inherited. And he's also not like the new young people who were all excited about like Angie Smith and everybody.

[B]

He's kind of a cornball and.

[A]

He's a cornball. You know what I mean? I miss him almost. I miss his online presence more than I miss him calling games, which is funny because you would think that I could still find his online presence. I think maybe this is more a story about me quitting Instagram than Dave Sims leaving.

[B]

We finally gotten to the heart of the matter.

[A]

Oh wait, I gotta cut that section too. We're keeping it under seven hours, you said. Or like seven and change Today I

[B]

would say my heart out is about 4pm West Coast. But that also doesn't give me time to finish writing my Atsuka Okatsuka questions and also finding a best news we heard all week story. So I need to carve out a let's, you know, let's try to be done by three.

[A]

I'm losing my Instagram bit then. Okay, sounds good.

[B]

Probably just as well.

[A]

Have I talked about that on the show yet? I just don't know if it's been covered. That's my only concern. Have you considered listeners are like, is he on Instagram or not? I don't know. I can't remember. It's important.

[B]

I actually, I regularly forget that you're not officially on Instagram.

[A]

That's the story. What is the story over there? Are you pretty active on it? Because you were. You've always been sort of in between on Instagram yourself.

[B]

I wish that I liked it more. Nothing will fill the Twitter shaped hole in my heart. That was the one that really. Twitter had really bewitched and beguiled me because of the feedback that I would get on there sometimes Even the other day, Obek and I were at this place, the Elsinore Theater. That's where we saw the Improv Hypnotist. And another artist who was coming to the Elsinore Theater was Richard Marks, Richard Marx of 1980s and 90s music fame. By the way of good take having fame.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

He's a generally progressive voice online.

[A]

Can I say something that is it's not about him. He's a very popular singer and I know that he's a good singer, but he fits into that husky voiced category that I can't do a lot with myself.

[B]

Who else is in Husk? Who do you think of his husky voice?

[A]

The three guys.

[B]

We call it Big and tall voice is the proper terminology.

[A]

I always get this confused, but the three guys who did the song from Men. Not men in tights, but the actual serious Robin Hood movie is like, you had Ryan.

[B]

You're thinking of Brian Adams.

[A]

Brian.

[B]

You think his voice is husky? Brian Adams, I think has a huskier voice than Richard Marks. But this is the first I've ever considered the Huskies. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, like kind of that scratchy. So you got. You got Brian Adams. I put in there. Sting. I know, doesn't. I mean, he's. He kind of gets. No, I'm just thinking of that particular song and they did a kind of a. Whatever you call a duet with three people. But who's the. Who's the master?

[B]

Duet with three people. That would be a first.

[A]

Well, that's what I said. Whatever you would call a duet with three people. I don't know the word for that. A trio.

[B]

I don't think there is a word for that. They should come up with one. But what is that song you're talking about? You don't mean a police song. It's something else.

[A]

No, there is a song where three men got together in the 90s and they did the main song for the Robin Hood thing, and it was Brian Adams. I thought I might be wrong about this. I thought that song was. And it might be all for Love, although that might be just a single by Bryan Adams, but it's the one that has Rod. The Bodies. Rod Stewart, definitely. He's like the king of the husky voiced boys as far as I'm concerned. Rod Stewart and then Brian Adams.

[B]

Kind of everything I do from Brian Adams was on the soundtrack.

[A]

Okay. And that's not the. With the three of them. That's not the trio.

[B]

No, that's just him. That's just everything I do, I do it for you.

[A]

Oh, okay. What's the Brian Adams. And it is Brian Adams. Right?

[B]

Brian Adams. Not to be confused with Ryan Adams. There has been some confusion over the years, I think.

[A]

All for Love. Brian Adams, Rod Stewart and Sting do the song all for Love. Oh. And you know what is also confusing? The thing is it was Three Musketeers, not Robin Hood. Oh, okay.

[B]

I did not. I did not get a Chance to see the Three. It's on my list. I'm.

[A]

Oh, I've never seen it. But you don't. You don't know this song. This song was.

[B]

Don't know all.

[A]

I mean, I could not escape this sun. Oh, wait, this is. Oh, my God. This is one of those.

[B]

Sound anything like Lemon Pound Cake by Afroman?

[A]

No. They do call out. Well, there's somebody from the police.

[B]

They call it the Adams County Police Department.

[A]

There's somebody from the police in this.

[B]

Never heard this song in my life.

[A]

I'm actually kind of surprised that this isn't.

[B]

I am, too.

[A]

Something that, like, groups of people get together and do karaoke about our age. Because it's. I thought this song was. I just could not escape this song when I was so weird.

[B]

I feel like. Let's see. Three Musketeers. Three Musketeers. I did once rented. I did once rent an adult film in high school called the Three Musketets, which I feel like they phoned that one in. Oh, I forgot. My dad's working here. Nothing, Walt. Never happened. Let's see. Box office. Here's. I have a theory, Andrew, which was that.

[A]

Did your dad just yell at you?

[B]

Did he just say he just made a yelp? Because I was talking about materials in high school. The 2011 film Three Musketeers grossed $132 million worldwide against $75 million budget.

[A]

But that's the wrong song, though. That's not 2011. This was a song from the 90s that was all over VH1 when I was a young person.

[B]

So it's so strange that that one just completely. That one whiffed right past me.

[A]

93. The 3.

[B]

19. 93. So there was. Wait, so there would. So they. They've re. They've. They've made multiple three Musketeer movies in the last 20 years, I guess. So there was a 90s version, and then there was a 2011 version.

[A]

Not 20 years. That'd be like 40 years ago, right?

[B]

I don't like it when you remind me.

[A]

30. 30 plus or something.

[B]

Okay. What I find so strange is, like,

[A]

I feel like I was.

[B]

And. Well, you said it was 90. What? When did this.

[A]

93. So that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

What? 43.

[B]

Or.

[A]

I'm sorry, 33 years, not 40. That's an exaggeration.

[B]

I can explain. Or at least I have a theory why I have. I literally have never heard that song in my life, and it's because 93 would have been prime. Luke Burbank Jr. In high school is rejecting all things that feel, quote, unquote, mainstream. I'm wearing the long sleeve thermal underwear under my Hawaii Fire Department T shirt. I'm growing my hair out long. I'm listening to Seattle grunge and indie music, the Screaming Trees, you name it. And I'm beginning to sort of establish in my own mind my personality as being not into things that are on the mainstream radio, because that would be. And then, of course, I cycled right back into it years later, like that. Well, that Bryan Adams song, the one we were. The one we were from. Robin, that was before that, right? So that would have been maybe in the 80s or something. Because that one just like. I think I probably cried to that song.

[A]

I'm sure. I would like to be clear, though, you're saying that, like, you rejected stuff like this. My point is not that I was into this song or that this was my kind of music. I hated it. I use this as an example of the kind of husky music, husky voice music that I don't like. But for me, it was just inescapable.

[B]

I wonder why it was inescapable in Ohio, but I escaped it in Seattle.

[A]

I have a feeling, maybe more of a VH1 thing. I have a feeling that 93 is probably around the time that I first got cable. And I was just doing a lot of flipping between MTV and VH1 because I don't remember it. I mean, I'm not saying I. It wasn't on the radio, but I remember seeing it on TV and hearing it more and just really disliking it and just really. Just that soft. That soft rock style of music and production combined with those husky voices, making it a thing you heard.

[B]

You heard it here first. I call them dog voices, but that's just, you know, that's just kind of a UW thing. All right, shall we take a quick moment, if we can, to talk about the latest in the world of Afroman?

[A]

Did you want to finish your thought about Richard Marks, though? Because I kind of.

[B]

Well, just that when we walked into the Elsinore Theater and I saw a poster that he was coming to play, I turned to Becca and said, he. He retweeted me once. And that's my point is that, like, I've never. I post stuff on Instagram. I, you know, I go on there. I'm a look at that thing every day, definitely. And I probably post something once a week, if not maybe more, but it just doesn't have. It's just. I almost have to remember to go check Instagram. Whereas something like Twitter, I didn't ever have to remind myself I was kind of living on there. And then, I mean, I guess TikTok also has filled the void. Except that's as we've discussed on the show many times, that's purely like spectator. That's a. Purely a spectator sport for me. I'm not a contributor in any way to that discourse, so. But, yeah, but, but back to what you were saying. I do often forget that you're not on Instagram. Well, I know you have a burner, but that's maybe for what? Like tbtl. If you need to check on something you're not.

[A]

Oh, I don't know the way you just to be.

[B]

You don't even have a burner.

[A]

I know I don't have a burner, by the way. I did not realize. Shoot. I don't want to turn this into sports talk. I really don't. Because we've done too much more wbc. But no, I turned on a baseball podcast yesterday, like a Seattle based one. And they started with the first 15 minutes talking about the Sonics coming back to Seattle as if that's a done deal. I knew that there was some good news in that arena. I did not realize that people were just banking on it. Is this what you've been hearing as well?

[B]

Wait, about who?

[A]

What about the Sonics coming back to Seattle?

[B]

I've been hearing that for 20 years. I did see.

[A]

I mean, but I mean, recently I turned on a podcast yesterday and it was like they're talking like it's done. It's they're coming.

[B]

I've seen Dave Softy Mahler saying it is a fate accompli. I saw that clip the other day. I guess I'm not to turn into sports talk, but I have such a complicated relationship with the idea of the NBA and the idea of. Of us. Them giving us a team again. And like, I don't know how. I mean, I would rather Seattle have a basketball team than not have a basketball team. I don't know what my level of interest is going to be when they come back. I'll only know when there is a team again. What I can tell you is in my youth, when I was blissfully unaware of the song all for Love from the Three Musketeers soundtrack, my obsession with and love for the Seattle Supersonics knew almost no bounds. It was possibly the centerpiece of my life. And when they went away, I was so bummed about it that something inside, like a Pilot light went out. Something died inside of me, and I don't know if it's gonna just, like, relight when we get a team again. So when I hear, which I did hear yesterday, that, like, it's a done deal, we're gonna get a team, I kind of honestly don't know emotionally how

[A]

I feel about that.

[B]

Well, I should just be happy, but for some reason I'm not. I feel just kind of numb.

[A]

The reason I bring it up is. Is, again, not. Not an apologies to listeners who are done with Seattle sports talk for a while. But the only reason I brought it up was I was really shocked to hear that because, again, I knew that there was rumblings. I knew that the NBA was making some announcement, but then just to turn on a baseball podcast and hearing these two fellas just celebrating like it's happening. So that was. I was like, oh, okay. And I was listening more, and then they said something that shocked me even more. And this is going to be laughable because you were just talking about this on the show other day. The other day. You mentioned a burner account a second ago, and I don't have a burner account, but I think of Kevin Dur. I know. I get Kevin confused.

[B]

No, you're doing well with that over the last two weeks.

[A]

And I think that. And I can actually even remember the other guy's name that I confuse him with. That's Garnett. Right. And he's retired. But I think that. I guess I maybe thought Durant was retired as well or something like that, but these guys were talking about, like, he's actually in a position that if. Or I guess when they come back, the team comes back, the Sonics come back. He could actually play at age 40, his final season in Seattle or something. But he's the guy who also has the burner accounts, though, right? I have the same guy. So, yeah, I'm not Kevin Duranting it. But also, I guess that was just a lot of shocking news to me that he's still playing and that the Sonics are apparently coming back.

[B]

Well, and then I'm sure you picked this part up, or this was implied in what you were saying, but you're aware that Kevin Durant was a Seattle Supersonic.

[A]

Yeah, that's why they were kind of excited about that. Like, he. Guess he always has been. Is he the guy? And I guess I did consider confuse him with somebody else, but, like. Like, Seattle fans love him because he's kind of remained. Didn't he, like, refuse to let Oklahoma retire his jersey or something like that, because he.

[B]

I have a vague memory of something like that. Like, I think he has been. I think he has been pretty steadfast in. In basically reminding people that Seattle had their basketball team stolen, which we always appreciate from a guy. Again, the whole thing, though, is just like, it. Just the idea that it's like, oh, wouldn't it be great? A Kevin Durant homecoming he finishes as a Sonic. It's just like it elides the fact that this league just absolutely just pwned the city of Seattle for no reason. And like, I just can't. I can't let that go, I guess. I mean, I think I'm like, I am. I'm legitimately, deeply bitter about it and like, for it to just become this, like, Sonics are back and we got KD and like it like, we're. What? We're grateful to David Silver, who definitely looks like he's trying to hunt down the Baudelaire orphans in A Series of Unfortunate Events. I mean, have you ever seen a more upsetting person than David Silver, the. The, you know, whatever his job is? The president of the. Of the NBA? I mean, he is just the commissioner, the commission. Don't. Don't get me back into Chiklis Town, sir.

[A]

Yeah, sorry, I wasn't even talking about Michael Chiklis.

[B]

Dabney Coleman.

[A]

I was just thinking about Michael Chiklis, by the way. My brain wandered.

[B]

But like, so, you know, it's. It's weird now again, maybe once they start playing games and I've got a few Calci bets on it, maybe all will be forgiven, you know, in my mind and I'll just get sucked right back into the kind of competition of it all. But like, as of right now, it's. It's a little bit hard for me to picture myself feeling the. The excitement around. There's another thing too, now. Now it is just really rocketing towards sports talk. But the NBA has changed drastically since I last followed it. Like, the style of play, the rules of play, something called the Euro Step. It looks to me like you're allowed to take five to six steps without dribbling now, which was not the case back when I was watching every single Sonics game of the year.

[A]

There are cover boards involved, the kind with the wheels. How far can you roll before you have to dribble?

[B]

The Dallas Mavericks are starting an AI at power forward. You know, like, there's just a lot has changed about it and it almost. I'm not. This is. Golly, this sounds Like, I'm making way too much of this, but it's almost like a relationship. And you could be, like, deeply in love with someone and have. And be, you know, have this very intense connection. And then things could fall apart. And then you could have many years apart, and then you might get together or you might spend time together, and things might have just shifted fundamentally in a way that it can never really be retrieved or it can never go back to being how it was. And I guess we'll find out when Seattle gets a team. That's when I'll know definitively if I'm back on board with this or not.

[A]

But right now, what stage of your J. Lo Ben relationship are you in? Right. Don't they kind of keep giving a shot and then it sort of works, but then they realize that they've changed,

[B]

you know, are they. And we are definitely the show to go to for this because we keep up on all of the hot goss. But did I. Did I dream that or did I

[A]

hear that they're back together again since the, since, like the super bowl two or three years ago? Because I remember she was in his, like, Duncan commercial, Dun Kings commercial. And that was like, three years ago now, right? Because there have been three years.

[B]

I think of that as the Jordan Hudson commercial myself. But that's just.

[A]

Well, that was the second year, unfortunately. That is like the rings of a tree for me. Like, I know how many years ago they were in a relationship, because I know the last super bowl commercial for Duncan was the fake 90s sitcom commercial where they youngified all of the actors from the 90s. The year before that was the Bad Dunkings reunion that brought Belichick and Jordan and other people into it. And the year before that was the original one, which had Matt Damon. No, no. Was it Tom Brady and Matt Damon or was it just Matt Damon and him? And they were like, in the studio. Michael Chiklis was definitely in there and J. Lo was producing or something. And so all of that is to say that's. I think they were actually back together during shooting of that commercial.

[B]

It looks like they're not back together. Although here's what I'm going to just give you a quick. A quick round the horn of the headlines. Let's see. E. News says why Jennifer Lopez says she has had to, quote, sit in the aftermath of the Ben Affleck divorce. The Daily Beast says Affleck's X says she hated being in the middle of him and JLo. But then Jezebel says, I Don't care what the divorce papers say. I still think Ben Affleck and JLO are end game and I love the use of endgame.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

I'm really into that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I wish him the best. I wish everybody involved the best.

[B]

Involved. So did you. It sounds like you're hearing a. You've been hearing at least a little bit of sort of some rumblings around this Afroman situation, right?

[A]

Me personally. Yeah. So I just. On social media I saw some pretty stunning like photos of him dressed up in like all like USA flag kind of suit, a red and white and blue suit sitting on the stand I believe. And people saying things like you gotta, you gotta listen to his testimony. So I thought something like really like kind of wacky happened during testimony. It sounds like I might be wrong about that. But I was only partially aware of it until you sent me this article today.

[B]

This started popping up in my TikTok feed like 2 days ago all of a sudden. I'd heard about this, you know, a few years ago when it happened. I had heard that the police in Ohio were. And by the way, Afroman's the Because I Got High, you know, song guy that like a number of years ago back in like I don't know, maybe 2020 or something, I don't know, sometime around there. Basically the police in the town in Ohio where Afroman lives. It was 2022 was when this raid happened. The police kind of like kicked in Afroman's door. They were there on a drug and kidnapping investigation. He was not even home. But apparently his now ex wife and his children were there. He was on his way home from some concert or something but he was really, really upset by this. And so there was never any charges filed. The local police, you know, they came in and they grabbed some stuff and apparently one of them like disconnected his security camera which. That seems weird to me. Shady. And anyway so that they, they were, you know, as, as is the case when they go into someone's house, they all had guns a blazing. So they. Anyway they. No charges are ever filed. Apparently they were there, you know, looking for something that didn't exist. And Afroman took this as any of us would really personally. The difference between most of us and Afroman is most of us would not be able to just immediately churn out an entire album about the topic which he did in 2022. He called it Lemon Pound Cake. I guess it technically was released in 2023. The songs include on Lemon Pound Cake, the police Raid, a song called Lemon Pound Cake. A song called why you disconnect my video Camera.

[A]

What's that one about?

[B]

It's unclear. A song called I'm skipping around because some of them are a little. A little blue for our show.

[A]

Adults. I don't want your dad's ears to

[B]

fall off track nine. I know. I cannot believe I copped to it.

[A]

I know.

[B]

You have the day.

[A]

I love the conversation that you now

[B]

have to have after all the days. Track 9. Will you help me repair my door?

[A]

That feels really direct.

[B]

Let's just hear a little bit of. Again, it does have the E. It has the exterior explicit. So I'm just everybody, you know, ear muffs or whatever. Be careful. This is. I've not previewed this, but this is Afroman. Will you help me repair my door? Off the track Lemon Pound Cake,

[A]

Will

[B]

you help me repair my gate? Will you help me repair my door? Did you find what you was looking for? Will you help me repair my gate? And, oh. What I love about Afroman songs is they all sound like a song I could easily write in five minutes, you know, And I don't mean that as an insult. I mean, there's something that is extremely accessible about the music because it just sounds like something that you're, you know, not to play into the stereotype. Although I will tell you, the COVID of the album Lemon Pound Cake is him holding a giant goblet with a marijuana leaf on it. And of course, he is the Because I got high guy. But they all sound like songs that your friend could write while high in five minutes. There's something very demystifying about that.

[A]

Like the Daniel. Well, this now is gonna be insulting to Daniel Johnson as well, because I think the thing is, they seem way more simple than they actually are or would be to write. But I was gonna draw some sort of a Daniel Johnston comparison between these two as far as just, like, being able to crank things out following a sort of pattern of songwriting.

[B]

Yeah. The song Lemon Pound Cake is the breakout hit from the album. It's got 1.7 million streams on Spotify as of today. And today is, by the way, when this is really blowing up because of what happened in the trial, which I'll tell you about in a minute. This thing about Lemon Pound Cake. So he nicknamed. He did have security cameras in his house. And during the raid, one of the cops, who he has nicknamed Lemon Pound

[A]

Cake, he nicknamed him that. I wasn't sure about that. I got the impression that he found out that was his nickname. Okay.

[B]

No, I believe no, he nicknamed him that because. And I've watched this footage now many times. I've watched the security footage, this cop, while coming into Afroman's kitchen. By the way, there was an article, I want to say, either in the Times or another reputable paper where they continue to refer to Afroman as Afroman and not by his real name, which is like Mark Foreman, I think, or something. It's like upon third reference, he's still Afroman.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Again, maybe it wasn't the Times, but it was another legit paper that just kept calling him Afroman. They were like, I thought, oh, I thought we would probably go with his real name, but no.

[A]

Okay, well, can I, Can I actually pause on that for one second? Because I was thinking that same exact thought on that deep dive that the New York Times did.

[B]

Joseph Foreman, by the way, not Mark Foreman.

[A]

Oh, okay. I can never say his name. Verlicular. That's not his name.

[B]

Clavicular.

[A]

Clavicular. I noticed that on second, third and every other reference after that, the New York Times stuck with clavicular, which maybe that's.

[B]

Maybe that's their policy if it's somebody's sort of, you know, professional name.

[A]

Right. Like Prince or something like that. You know what I mean? Maybe they would just always go with Prince. Anyway, it was just something that I had been thinking about too, about whatever their standards and rules are on that.

[B]

I bet you that that's probably some kind of stylistic decision they've made. And I probably was the Times, maybe that was calling him Afroman instead of Joseph Foreman. But what happened was this police officer is in Afroman's kitchen and he is brutally frame mugged by a lemon pound cake. Just absolutely mogged by this cake. No, what happens is this cop, and I think he's got his gun drawn. He just walks by this lemon pound cake that's under like a kind of a glass cloche. And he looks at it. That's all he does. He looks at the lemon pound cake. I thought maybe he took a slice. I thought maybe he ate it. No, he looked at the lemon pound cake, which was enough for Afroman to start calling this guy lemon pound cake. And then to write this song, Lemon pound cake. Which is. Which is. And this is where it gets a little questionable about. You want to talk about the Adams county sheriff? Kick down my door. Then I heard the glass break. This is the song under the Boardwalk. Yeah, it is just lemon pound cake. Give it a minute. What's the. You know, you got like the estate of Marvin Gaye suing, Robin Thicke and Pharrell. It's like, is he allowed to just do this? They found no kidnapping victims, Just some lemon pound cake Mama's lemon pound cake it tastes so nice it made the sheriff wanna put down his gun and cut him a slide of what? Of what? Lemon pound cake he wanna put down his glove Lemon pound cake trending on

[A]

TikTok Lemon pound cake, he's a family guy Lemon pound cake munching because he

[B]

got high Lemon pound cake pound cake I mean, you gotta. You gotta give the guy credit. For somebody with, again, it would appear, fairly rudimentary musical skills. He's got an ear for how to put this together.

[A]

Yeah, I'm enjoying that. So now I. Because I read that article that you sent me, I think from the Post, and I was like, oh, I wonder why this cop's nickname is Lemon pound Cake. And Luke, as you love to say, asked and answered very well. So it was him coining it, which actually explains a lot now.

[B]

And by the way, it's. Sorry, just quickly.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's a. It's a. It's a testament to Afroman's, like, sort of genius for this stuff because I would have never even noticed him glancing at the lemon pound cake. And I certainly would have thought it was enough to build an entire nickname around identity and then trending album on. On Spotify. Like, he just saw this one glance from the dude and he was like, yep, that's gonna work. We got him.

[A]

I'm trying to figure out, like, is there. Like. I didn't remember this, but I guess it's the drifters that did under the Boardwalk.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm trying to. I'm trying to figure out, like, yeah, how is this not. I mean, maybe just because it's one of those things where it's low level enough. He's not making tons of money on this. And it's just like, they just.

[B]

He claimed in court he's made less than $24,000 from the album. But that was before the resolution of the case. He's really having a moment right now. So that would. Leading up to all of this. You're right, though. Like, how is it that, like, if I use a. If I use some. A chord progression that feels too close to somebody else's in my song, I could get sued. But I could also just record under the Boardwalk with different lyrics. And apparently nobody's coming for Afroman.

[A]

My guess is he. It's just didn't. Right. It didn't rise to that level. And my guess is he's just, you know, asking for forgiveness instead of permission. Because I think if, like, Weird Al did this, like, he has to clear all those songs. I know that there's a. Again, I don't know what I'm talking about here. But I do think from talking about this over the years with you, there are. Even for parody, you still have to get permission if you're just making music using somebody else's tune and changing the lyrics. Right.

[B]

You know what? I actually don't think so. But I think, God, why do I continue to talk about things that I don't really know the details of? I have this vague sense in the back of my mind that Weird Al, because of the rules around parody. And by the way, this comes into play in this Afroman trial. If I were. I thought I had a vague memory of him actually not needing permission, but him asking for permission as a sort of a courtesy.

[A]

Oh, and just to make maybe life easier on him.

[B]

Yeah, but. But. And I Now I can't remember who. But famous. I think Prince might have been the only person who, like, wouldn't give him permission. Like, my memory is that he would ask, Weird Al would ask permission. My other memory is that I don't think it was because he needed it legally. It was kind of just because he wanted to, I guess, be, in his own way, respectful and that famously, there was someone who was being unfun. And I don't remember who that someone was. We know it wasn't Michael Jackson because

[A]

we know I was gonna jump into Eat it. It wasn't Michael Jackson.

[B]

We know it wasn't. We know it wasn't Kurt Cobain because he's got a Nirvana one in there.

[A]

Yeah, I did have that.

[B]

We know it wasn't.

[A]

We know it wasn't Coolio.

[B]

It wasn't Coolio. Amish Paradise. We know it wasn't Florida because of White and Nerdy, his cover of Riding Dirty.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

So, I guess. Okay, so. So Afroman makes this album and he does a million online posts where he is just going after the specific police officers who did the raid. He is accusing some of them in both song and post of being, you know, of stealing his money. There was this other issue, which is that they confiscated $4,000 from his house. And then when they gave it back to him, it was 3,600. And he was really mad about this 400. As would any of us be. And the official. There was apparently an investigation. And the official sort of report was that the police officer in question miscounted the money when he put it in. So it was never $4,000, it was $3,600. And that's why what came out of the evidence locker was not the same as what was listed as going into the evidence locker. I find that not compelling personally. Nor did Afroman who did many songs about it and accused that guy of being a thief. He accused one of the other cops of being a pedophile.

[A]

He got pretty.

[B]

There was a female police officer who he was calling into question her gender and saying a lot of stuff about her that honestly is really pretty gross. And in fact when this is where this gets slightly more complicated because on the one hand I don't like the cops kicking down people's doors, terrorizing their families and doing this kind of, this kind of gestapo stuff with their, I'm sure like hundred thousand dollar up wrapped, you know, SWAT mobile, swatman mobile vehicles outside of Afroman's house for no reason when it's just like his wife and daughters in there. I hate all of this and I don't like it when the police do this and I. But on the other hand there is a part of the trial where they're playing in court, they're playing one of the Afroman songs and this police officer, this female police officer is just sobbing as she's listening to it.

[A]

Am I right? That he was playing a video where another woman was depicted as her doing sexual acts on another.

[B]

The music video for the song.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And she's just this woman, this police officer is clearly very, very upset by this. And she's. This person is not like a professional actor. She's not doing this for effect. By the way, I think they were suing the police officers together was like seven or eight of them were suing Afroman for you know, slander or for whatever the technical term for it was defamation I guess to the tune of I want to say like three and a half million dollars, somewhere north of $3 million. And, and, and Afroman's lawyer, his whole point was this is protected speech because it's parody, it's exaggeration, it's, it's art, it's free speech. He can say whatever he wants. These are not private facts about you that, that he is exposing to the world. And the other thing I actually didn't love about Afroman's attorneys by the way, successful defense of Afroman was he just basically said everything is a lie. The media is a lie. We don't believe. Do you believe anything in the newspaper. And of course, most people in this part of Ohio unfortunately are like, no, it's all made up. So he was constantly interviewing the police officer saying, do you believe what you see on the Internet? And they'd be like, no. Do you believe what you read in the paper, you see on tv? No. Well, then why would you think other people would believe my client Afroman, when he raps that you're a pedophile or that you. That he had sex with your wife? Which is one of the things that he said about another one of these police officers. And ultimately the jury found this compelling. He was found not liable for this on any count. And I mean, the testimony from Afroman that's been going around, which I don't have right in front of me, but I can paraphrase it, he basically said like, I believe it was the plaintiff's attorney said like, do you regret ruining the lives of these police officers?

[A]

And.

[B]

Or this one police officer, and I believe the one who was crying in afra man said, if they wouldn't have come to my house and kicked in my door, none of this would have happened. I wouldn't know their names, there would be no lawsuit. So because of that, I don't regret this because I didn't create this problem. They did. Which, by the way, is I think, a reasonable argument from him. I was a little surprised. I feel like the plaintiff's attorney was not good at his job because for one thing, he let Afroman talk a lot on cross examination, just about Afroman's theories of free speech and the fact that they brought this to him and this shouldn't be his problem. Which by the way, all I think fair things. But if you're. I'm not an attorney. We do have a lot of attorneys that listen, maybe they can hip me to this. But I feel like you want to be doing a lot of like. Objection, your honor. Like you want to kind of like lock Afroman into some statements that might help your case, but not just give him like free reign. This guy's a professional entertainer. He was also, by the way, dressed head to toe in like an American flag, crazy looking suit, sunglasses. I don't know if he was allowed to wear the sunglasses on the stand, but he had him like up on his head. Like he was very much playing this up for sort of an entertainment thing. And I just thought that the plaintiff's attorney did a bad job of like allowing him to really go off on how unfair this whole thing was. And again, it was clearly persuasive for the jury because they found him not liable. Afroman for the W. Yeah, the story

[A]

is sort of a mess because you start reading and you're just like, oh, well, team Afroman. Right? And then you're looking at the attacks that he's making on these people, and you're like, I wouldn't do that. You know what I mean? Don't love the way you're striking back on this. But also. But then you just immediately swing back to. Yeah, but like, unfortunately, we have a justice system where there's rarely justice for the people who are victimized by cops and usually black people who are victimized by cops. And it just happens every day so many Times. I believe 100% that those cops took that $400, and I believe that they do that shit all the time without repercussion. And so the fact that. So I also don't spend a lot of time weeping for these police officers. I. It's, you know, again, these. These type of attacks on sexuality. And as the. I think the post said it, like, talking about her genitals or like, what, like, all that stuff is, like, pretty gross to me. And I don't really like that. I don't spend a lot of time, you know, again, kind of weeping for them because I do sort of find his argument like, well, then don't kick down my door. I do sort of find that compelling, I guess. I'm also surprised when I first read this this morning. I'm like, okay, the songs. I understand why the songs maybe didn't stand up as actually something that was damaging to the police officers. Because in a certain way, I agree with what you're saying about the, like, kind of leaning on the distrust of the media. Like, that's just kind of like, let's not reinforce that.

[B]

Yeah, I listened to a lot of his attorney and I was like, I hate this guy's argument right now.

[A]

Having said that, in the context of an album, though, like, even in the. Even in the tradition of like, let's say, 90s hip hop or whatever, like, there were always, like, kind of parodies. You know what I mean? I'm just thinking of, like, the Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg era, where there would be skits in between and it was very clear that they would be. I think maybe. Maybe I'm making this up, but maybe parodying certain kinds of people or. Yeah, like, there's this, like. I don't think anybody is listening to this record thinking, oh, Afroman had an affair with this police Officer's wife. I think that's pretty clearly an insult that one makes when one wants to get a rise out of somebody. And that. That is what is happening musically here. I was more surprised about, like, the T shirts. They said something like he was.

[B]

Oh, I don't know about the T shirts.

[A]

Oh, this was. Again, I'm. Let me. Let me double check this, because I was reading this piece you sent me, but it said something like, along with the videos, I think it said he made T shirts that featured the faces of the officers, or at least pound cake, I think, and was selling them here. In numerous Instagram posts, the rapper promoted his album and with T shirts that featured the faces of the deputies, including the one he dubbed Police Officer Pound Cake. So I assume that these T shirts were for sale unless he was just wearing them. And that's different.

[B]

Well, he is not about monetizing this stuff.

[A]

No. Right. So I was like, okay, but selling T shirts with people's faces on it, and we'll even just say police officers, officers of the law, faces on it that could potentially put a target on their back. I was like, I am kind of surprised that that stood up in court. I wonder if. And the article I read didn't get into this. And you're way more read up on it than I am, but I wonder if that's because if I take a photo in my house, that's my photo, and if I take a photo of a guest in my house or somebody in my house, I should be able to put that on a T shirt. And I wonder, you know what I mean? It's not like he took photos of these people doing personal things in their home. He has a security system that's a

[B]

camera inside his house looking at his pound cake.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Like, that's your camera. In the same way that my Nikon is my camera, only they work differently. But you could say that's my art. And this is a photo I took inside my house. And if you weren't in here, you wouldn't be on this T shirt. So I was mostly shocked about that kind of a harassment. Like, the stuff that is not necessarily even just in the lyrics of the album, but, like, clearly, like, trying to, like, make these people's faces recognizable. I was kind of surprised that that stood up. But again, I'm not. I'm not losing any sleep over these cops because I just think that they'll do it again tomorrow to somebody else.

[B]

You know what else I think is part of this is at this very moment, the, and I know the cops and ICE are not exactly the same, but there is just this feeling of, of elevated impunity, of just like, you know, I mean this is something that any thinking person has known for since, you know, the formation of this country. But, but particularly in the last 20 years, and particularly maybe for white people being more aware of it a little bit in the last 20, 30 years of just like the way that the cops get to come in, do whatever they want, generally they write the police report which is the official record of the event. And then it is nearly impossible to ever. You know, there was just, I mean not to get overly dark with it, but there was just a case in Oregon where you had a DEA agent who decided he was in an unmarked car and there was a DEA pursuit of someone who was suspected to be a drug dealer. And this guy was not leading the pursuit, he was just in the, he was trying to catch up to the pursuit in his unmarked car. And he decides to run. This is in Salem, Oregon. He decides to run a stop sign and he kills a 53 year old mother who worked for I think the state of Oregon and I think worked or worked in forestry, was a beloved member of the community. And basically this, the reason I'm thinking of this is because the DOJ has just after pursuing charges against this guy for years and losing in court because of blanket essentially immunity because he was doing law enforcement, has finally said we're not, we're just, we can't pursue this anymore. We've been, we've lost this like three different times in court. My point in that, and that's a very, very serious example. But it's just like this overwhelming feeling of like these people can do whatever they want whenever they want and there's almost never justice. That when you hear about somebody getting some justice or at least when you hear about Afroman being able to push back against the system, it's such a triumphant feeling. Until you then get into like the song, some of the specific songs that he's releasing and how much I don't agree with that. And that is my way of saying, as we've said on the show for many years, shit be complicated.

[A]

Yeah, sorry Dad, I said shit, I've been teaching them new words. Walt. Yeah, I started reading this article with a little bit more of a light hearted mindset. I think just having seen images of him in court and not really and seeing that the people were rising up to support Afroman. Right. And one of the first sort of offenses that I saw Listed was like, one of the officers was, I guess, complaining or at least noting that he had been sent, as the Post put it, a plethora of pound cakes at work. Because of his.

[B]

Yes, he said he had received hundreds of pounds.

[A]

And so at first, I'm kind of like, well, that's not so bad. I would take some of those pound cakes. In fact, this is like one of those things. I don't know if you're sorry to take it to commercial town again. I can think of one example of this, but, like, sometimes you're watching a commercial for something like insurance, but it makes you want something else instead. Like, there's currently a progressive commercial on right now that's selling insurance, but they're eating pizza in it. And it made me want pizza really bad the other night. Remember the bath bomb commercial with Mahomes? And it was for, like, a different insurance group or whatever.

[B]

State Farm.

[A]

State Farm. He's just dropping bath bombs into a tub. I was just kind of like, I don't need the insurance. But for the first time ever, I'm kind of really intrigued by the Andy Reid Nuggs commercial.

[B]

Had me, yeah, right up for years.

[A]

Exactly. So the big takeaway for me for this story is I think I kind of really am in the mood for some lemon cake. But it is one of those stories where it's kind of like, oh, these cops say they're being harassed. Oh, they're receiving cakes at work. Oh, too bad. And then as you read it, and you're like, oh, there's a lot more darker implications here. What's going on? And like you say, I don't believe for a moment that officer was. What is it crying? Alligator tears. Is it crocodile tears or alligators? Crocodile tears. Did I say alligator?

[B]

In Australia it's crocodile tears, and over here it's alligator tears.

[A]

And that means face tears. Right. Anyway, yes. So, you know, I believe that, you know, so it's just a really. It's a really messy story.

[B]

There is definitely a range, because I think I watched the testimony, I mean, clips of the testimony of most of the cops, and there was a range of how bad I felt for them, ranging from not at all, which was most of them, including pound cake, to pretty bad for the female officer. Like, that was. That was the bummer. Honestly, if not for that part, if you would have left that part out, I would have absolutely zero sympathy. Because when these guys are, like, one of them was being interviewed and, like. And the. The. This is, by the way, Afroman's lawyer Also like, just this like weird looking white dude with like a thunderous beard who just like seems like exactly the lawyer that Afroman would hire. Like, everybody in this case seemed like they were out of central casting. But like his attorney was basically, you know, cross examining. Not pound Cake, but one of the other guys. And the guy who Afroman had said, you know, he'd slept with the guy's wife. And that guy was like, Afroman's attorney was like, you know, is he. How was he framing it exactly? He was basically doing an attorney thing, which was he was trying to say like, you know, did Aphroman sleep with your wife? And his point was that like, everyone knows he didn't sleep with your wife. This is a brag in a song. And the guy was like, he better not have. And it was like, had your wife been unfaithful with Aphraman? He goes, we met in middle school. Like, the guy was just like such a dingus that like that guy I feel zero sympathy for.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I'm happy that that guy got no money. I kind of, I kind of. I do feel bad for the female officer because I, you know, she was clearly very, very traumatized by this.

[A]

Yeah. And just my feeling, I just can't separate it from my feelings about like the absolute unchecked power of cops in this country now too. And, and just the horrific things, you know, the cops are saying about the people that they're supposed to be serving and protecting all the time. Because when we get the tiniest little glimpse of it on. On a, you know, a dash cam camera that a Seattle cop forgets to turn off after he kills someone, kills or his partner kills somebody and he's

[B]

calling them low, low, low value.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Like when we just hear like and literally admits that they just forgot to turn off their cameras. As a specific example, that is pretty huge here in Seattle or big on the minds here in Seattle, it's just like, you just know that that is just not even the tip of the iceberg too. So that's the other thing. And I'm sure that the most degrading things that happen in jails when people are pulled in. And again, not even handedly either, I'm sure, based on race, the way they treat people. So anyway, this is a people's win. I didn't even realize. I mean, this is where I'm bad at leg stuff. Like. Oh, you mentioned the jury. I'm like, oh, well, yeah, well, good thing this was a jury trial. You know what I mean? Like this might be different if it's a judge ruling, but this is.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[A]

This is the people talking, I feel like. And maybe that's a good sign.

[B]

There's apparently a different police department that has the same name. It's Adams county, which is pretty. In fact, I believe we were in Adams county for our thaw last year in Wisconsin, I think there's a lot of Adams counties, but there was an. A different police department, apparently, that had the similar name that was being deluged with calls and pound cakes.

[A]

And pound. You know what?

[B]

It wasn't even the right.

[A]

I'm changing the name of my studio to the Adams County Podcast Studio that Loves cake.

[B]

Take a little free pound cake. We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle.

[A]

On your mark. On your mark. Get set, get set now. Ready? Ready, Go.

[B]

Everybody rattles daddle. All right. We have not released any albums on Spotify recently that are rocketing to the top of the charts. So we are gonna have to continue to fund this program by way of donations. And today we're gonna thank a couple of dazzling donors. They're donating a dazzling amount of dough. That's the financial lifeblood of this operation. It's how. This is my job and Andrew's job and John Sklaroff's job. And it's thanks to folks like our friend Anna Anafi in Seattle, Washington.

[A]

There's a note here that Anna says they know how to pronounce it, but I do. Anna is a friend of mine. I was just on Anna's porch yesterday, by the way, or the day before. I don't know if that did. She knows that. She knows now. No, I was dropping some stuff off.

[B]

Well, that security camera is fair game to be on a T shirt.

[A]

Yes. That would be awesome. Yeah, we volunteer together. But I. I think I know it's Anna Anafi, but I get nervous because when I used to have to ask my Google Maps how to get to her house to drop something off the map, pronounces it differently. Or if you have to text her or something, you're like, hey, Google, text Anna Anafi. It'll be like, Anna Anafi. You know? And so then. So then it gets in your head and do you ever do this thing where you start pronouncing it like the robots do, because you want to make it as smooth as possible?

[B]

I. Who was I talking to about this? Was it on the show or off the air? Somebody was saying how they have to. Oh, I think it was actually. It was Elena. We were doing Livewire, and she was saying how she had set her. Her, like, you know, mapping thing to an accent, to an Australian accent. She just thought it was funny. But then she would have to say certain things in a weird accent for it to interpret basically what she wanted it to do. I forget the particular example, but. But where was I? There was something else about. Oh, my dad, Andrew. He's. He's downstairs right now, so I can say this. You want to talk about, like, pronunciation variations? You know, My dad is the guy who brought you latte.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

For latte. He's the guy who brought you Home Depot. Only person I've ever met who puts the emphasis on Home Depot. Home Depot. And the other day, we were talking about Elon Musk, and he called Doge Doge.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

He called it Doge. And I thought, where in the world did you get that from?

[A]

That's a man who reads the news more than watches it. Maybe.

[B]

I think that's part of it. I think he pictured the word in his head and he saw the E. There's an E on Doge, right?

[A]

It's D, O, D, D. It was just D, O, G, E, D, O, G, E. Yeah, I think.

[B]

And I think he just looked at the word doge and he thought, okay, we'll give this a shot. And again, it kind of checks out if you think about how he says latte sometimes. Yeah, he just went with Doge. And I am still. I'm still grappling with that.

[A]

I think that's gonna be how we pronounce.

[B]

Kind of great. Forward.

[A]

Yeah, I kind of like that. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

[B]

Well, Anna Anafi says hi. Hello, business boys. I'm continuing to dazzle you because of your continued engagement with U.S. tens. Thank you.

[A]

What a year.

[B]

I got laid off, but with a great severance package.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Now, I'm an independent contractor, Serious Quality Consulting, llc. By the way, serious. And this is spelled S C I I U R U S, pronounced Doge. Serious is Latin for squirrel. I won't plug my business, as I doubt any of the tens are looking for help with GXP computerized System Validation and Management. Well, Anna, you don't know. You would be surprised at how many of our listeners are in the market for GXP computerized System Validation and management.

[A]

I will take literally any kind of validation, including that kind.

[B]

GXP, GLP1. I don't care. Validate away. Anna says, I appreciate the encouraging words from fellow tens on the slack page. Many of us are, were on the job hunt. Yeah, I don't, I don't feel like that's going away anytime soon. I'm, I'm always, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm very much thinking about and rooting for our friends and listeners and maybe even donors who are, who are on the job hunt because it's a weird time out there. It's. Some things are not responding. You know, the stock market seems to be for some reason delusional reason holding relatively stable. You hear about all kinds of indicators of, of basically the fact that Trump is torching the economy. But I'm glad, Anna, that you got a good severance package and that you have now hung your shingle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With, with serious quality consulting.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

I'm generally full of rage at gestures, at everything. See previous comments by the way. But I'm happy to have this community of like minded folks who want to stand up for those under constant attack. I Currently, as of February 2026, Anna had to timestamp when this was sent because it can change by the hour.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

I currently believe Afroman will be exonerated.

[A]

How did she know?

[B]

I don't know. It's all that GXP computerized system validation that Anna's been doing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I currently believe we are at the stage of needing to burn it all down and start it over in order to dismantle white supremacy. Well, that probably wasn't where you wanted this message to go. Hey Anna, it's your dime to end on a good note. I did enjoy the Seahawks victory parade today.

[A]

Oh, that's a real time stamp. We know exactly where and when Anna sends us.

[B]

Or as Andrew calls it, diner cry reading day.

[A]

That's, that's right now.

[B]

Let's go Mariners. Your friend, Anna. Well, Anna, we appreciate all your friendship over the years and your support of the show and being part of the tens community and helping out with the pop up and clearing drains in your neighborhood. So that's flooding. That's a whole like tick tock. That's a whole corner of tick tock that I've enjoyed at times, Andrew, which is just people that go around their neighborhood finding those clogs and then clearing them.

[A]

See that is, is so much better than Dr. Pimple Popper or that kind of stuff. Like you're still getting a sense of release without having to be icky about it.

[B]

I've got a tight five on Dr. Pimple Popper. The problem is season one. It was pimples being popped. But because we have to constantly increase profits and increase viewership and increase the kind of spectacle of what we're doing, she soon moved on to not even popping pimples, Just removing, you know, things that are medically not a pimple, certain polyps, and like, I forget the exact term for them, but like things that are under your skin but that are not a pimple, that are like a cyst or other kinds of very large, you know, and it's not as. It's. It's. It's weird. It's medically not the same. It's not a pimple being popped, and I won't stand for it. It's like a minor surgery that's removing something el. That's under the skin, under the derma.

[A]

For me, it was when she started popping southern fried chicken flavored pimples, it was just like, we've gone too far.

[B]

And it was a tie in with kfc.

[A]

Exactly. It's just we've gone way too far on this whole flavor blasting thing.

[B]

Is kfc, as far as, you know, in taco bell, they are owned by the Pepsi. Pepsi company.

[A]

That.

[B]

That's.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I would have spat that at you right off the top of my dome. That's how I talk now. But yes, because those are, you see, those combined stores, right? And they always are Pepsi product stores. Yeah, that's all the same company, huh?

[B]

It was really embarrassing the other day. So Becca and I were driving back from Salem, it was on Sunday, and she said something to me that was surprising. She goes, I am dying for a fountain diet coke. She's like, I really want a fountain diet coke. And I was like, well, where we have an hour drive on i5, there were going to be plenty of places. And so as we're going down the freeway, I'm narrating based on the signs if it's a Coke or a Pepsi store, like, if it's a restaurant that does coke or Pepsi. And I'm like. I'm like, oh, those guys. I'm like, oh, no, no, they're not doing coke. I was like. And I was like, it was crazy how much knowledge I had about fast food chains and what their soda setting was. And I was like. And there was like a. You know, I think there was a taco bell or a pizza hut. And I was like, well, they're just owned by Pepsi. And she's like, how do you know this much about what kind of soda they're gonna have at the fast food. And I'm like a life well lived.

[A]

You're like, I'm well read. Can I lay one on you? This is a real question. This isn't a quiz because I should know, but it's been a while since I've been in one. What would Subway be? Because they seem to be there. They. I feel like they only have Starry for some reason. I don't even know why.

[B]

And then they have a liquefied sun chip.

[A]

Yeah, right. Like that's all they have.

[B]

Well, you know, that's a great question. I don't think that here's what, here's what it is. I don't think that they are a Pepsi only. So that makes me think they must have Diet Coke. But for some reason I do associate them weirdly with Starry and like other odd soda offerings. Yeah. But I'm going to say that they're probably, they're probably contracting with the Coca Cola company because mostly what I've clocked are the places where you can't get Coke products. And again that's very much a Taco Bell thing. That's a KFC thing. I think that might be a Burgerville thing. Burgerville. So it's more, it's more the ones that are Pepsi than the ones that are. So if I can't think of it being a Pepsi then my sense is it's probably defaulting to Coke. I feel like Subway also has a weird raspberry

[A]

lemonade or a raspberry tea. That's what I meant to say.

[B]

There's something on there that strange.

[A]

So it was Pizza Hut famously one or the other. Like was Pizza Hut famously Pepsi?

[B]

I don't know what it, I don't know what it was before it was acquired. I think, here's, I think that Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC have been Pepsi for a long time. And what it was was it was sort of this vertical integration where it was like Pepsi was like, well this is already where we're selling most of our fountain Pepsi in America. We'll just buy it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like I think, I feel like they were sell. They were a Pepsi product place before Pepsi co bought them. I could be totally wrong about that timing.

[A]

Yeah. And of course I thought of it because obviously it's Pepsi now because there's all the jokes and even the song.

[B]

Yes. Is that I'm at the. I'm at the Taco Bell. I'm at the Das Racist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So anyway. So yeah, those are just like Basically just Pepsi owned fast food restaurants. So. Okay, let's just finish this though quickly. So a goat Coke place obviously is, is McDonald's. We talk about that a lot.

[B]

That's where we went.

[A]

And then what else would you go to though? What else is like a, a solidly Coke place that you can go to off the highway?

[B]

I think Burger King. Okay, maybe Coke.

[A]

That, that seems to scan for me. I feel like I would, it would

[B]

be bold if Burger King was like, we are going to counter program so hard against McDonald's that we're not even going to have Coke products. That's because that's a big deal for some people. Like if you like, you're really, really not at that point, you're like, we are a stark alternative to McDonald's.

[A]

Can I tell you, I, I had a conver. I went to a Burger King with Genevieve. It was sometime over the holidays. Okay. It was the one on Aurora, for whatever that's worth. And I hadn't been, I hadn't been to a Burger King.

[B]

The one that's across from the sprouts.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

You know, I pe pants in that Burger King.

[A]

No, I'm surprised I don't know that.

[B]

Well, that's not true. I peed my pants at, in preschool at Pillar of Fire. Dad, was I in preschool or kindergarten at. At that weird Pillar of Fire school? Kindergarten maybe. I think it was kinder. Remember when you made me that pharaoh hat for the musical? I think it was kindergarten. And I peed my pants at school because the teacher wouldn't let me go to the bathroom until I finished this work page. I remember the work page too was circle the things to start with the letter K. Couldn't hold it. Did not report. Did not self report for having peed my pants. Cut to me and my mom and probably my little sister Liz, who's a baby at that time, are in that Burger King. You're talking about on Aurora or. Yeah, on Aurora. And my mom says, smelled like somebody peed their pants. And I said, not me. In the Burger King that you are referencing at about 100, 135th in Aurora.

[A]

Yeah, well, I was going to say, and this is not. I'm not even joking. Although I think we would have heard about it if it had been the latter. But when you said, you know, I peed my pants in that Burger King, I literally didn't know if you meant as a child growing up or as an adult having me and Camaro. Yeah, because that would be on the war.

[B]

That would be The.

[A]

The stretch of troublemaking, I would think,

[B]

or, you know, coming down from. Oh, no, Mr. Bills.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Watching a UFC fight. Getting torqued up. Yeah.

[A]

So I'm actually kind of. So I'm actually relieved as you were probably as you were filling up that worksheet. I am relieved to hear that you were a kid then, but what was I going to say?

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Oh, well, you're in the burger kit. The very, very. This has nothing to do with what we're talking about, but while we're talking about fast food, I am in love with the T shirts that they have their employees wearing now. I actually said to the employee, they're just like straight, kind of a beige ish brown with an old school, like BK logo. But it's that really minimal, you know what I mean? It's not like all over. It's not huge. It's just like centered, like kind of respectfully right in the middle of the chest. And I even said to the guy, I'm like, I love your shirt. And he looked down, he's like, yeah, they gave me. They gave. They gave. They give these to us or something. And I was like, well, can I buy one? He's like, yeah, I don't know, man. I mean, he was nice enough, but he was also fielding questions.

[B]

So it's the old school Burger King logo which says Burger King kind of thing.

[A]

Yeah, I think so. Is it kind of between a bun? Like it's got the logo? Yeah.

[B]

I think of it as the Hungry Jack logo from Australia, but sure.

[A]

Right. But like, remember that. Are you seeing it actually in a T shirt form here?

[B]

Because I'm looking at it right now.

[A]

It's well placed, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just like a very kind of austere presentation during an age where everything is like a little bit, I

[B]

think, over visual blasted.

[A]

Exactly. Yeah. Too much grass. No, I like it.

[B]

This is a nice.

[A]

Buy it.

[B]

That's a.

[A]

Are you looking.

[B]

You can. I'm looking at it right now on something called printerval.com. i'm sure there's other more reputable places, but yeah, you can definitely get that T shirt in some places. And yeah, it's. It's a. I like that retro. I mean, that's a solid logo. The reason I reference Hungry, Hungry Jack, if you haven't been to Australia, like Andrew and I have, that's what they call Burger King there. And all of the branding is exactly the same, except for instead of Burger King, it just says Hungry Jack.

[A]

Yeah, literally. Well, I was gonna say literally is the first thing think thing you did. No, yeah, it was. Because it was before we rented our car. Right? We were.

[B]

No, there's a picture of me in the airport. Can I maybe this.

[A]

Yeah. We haven't even left the airport yet to rent the car. And you.

[B]

I'm posing under the Hungry Jack logo because I was so taken with it. And then I believe I ordered whatever their veggie burger sandwich was there too.

[A]

That's right, yeah.

[B]

Anyway, thank you, Anna, for. For supporting the show and being such an awesome person. Maestro, on your mark.

[A]

On your mark. Get set, get set now. Ready, ready, go.

[B]

Everybody rattle. Look who it is. It's David Samoot. He's in Woodland, California. Not Woodland Hills where my dad lived, but Woodland, California. David says. I can't believe it's been a year since my last dazzling message where you gents so eloquently read my promotion for the island of Malta.

[A]

I gotta admit, I don't remember that. I was hoping.

[B]

I love that that happened. This year I'd like to promote an area in the central High Sierra mountains known for its quiet, laid back charm. Calaveras county is home to some amazing small towns, each offering their own bits of California history. Andrew, for some reason, I don't know if it's David Samoot related, you and I on the show have been like, you know, Google mapping around, walking the streets of Calaveras County, I believe at some point. I don't know why this came up. Maybe a different donor. Maybe something David related. For some reason I was looking around Calaveras county on the show. Hey dad, check out that big old navy ship going by. That's pretty cool.

[A]

Just set up some new rules about who you're allowed. Who's allowed in the studio when you're doing the show. Now this is not. Sorry, this is not related at all to you and I driving because I had never. I've never done like the real redwood tourism sort of. But there was one time you and I were on a road trip. I think it was in the delica. But I might be wrong about that.

[B]

I think that's the time that we did. We in the rv. In the rv, we didn't go down to California. I think we kind of went diagonal.

[A]

Yeah, I think we would have gone more diagonal.

[B]

Delica was when we went directly south.

[A]

Cause didn't we see a big. Didn't we get out of the car and pose next to a big thing of Paul Bunyan or something? Yes, I remember that. Okay, okay.

[B]

I think that's in. That's actually. Is that technically in Oregon? Is that the Trees of Mystery? Ooh, I think that's called the Trees of Mystery, where it's got the huge Paul Bunyan. And we took a picture there. I actually love that picture. It's pretty funny.

[A]

And I really, honestly, that was my only glimpse of that kind of redwood forest that you hear about, you know, literally growing up, especially growing up in an area where you don't have that kind of thing. And it really does. When I think about that, I'm like, oh, that was some. That was just a moment that we had on our way to somewhere else when we were kind of in a hurry. I would love to actually go and be able to drink more of that in.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. David said he's promoting Calaveras County. He says it's home to some amazing small towns, each offering their own bit of California history. You can visit Calaveras Big Trees State Park. Look at that, Andy.

[A]

See, this is what I'm talking about.

[B]

Which I'm told next to Yosemite national park has the largest groves of sequoias that you can spend a day wandering through. Not far from the park is the town of Murphy's, with a charming main street with many wine tasting rooms. A bit further down the hill, you will come to the town of Angel's Camp, probably best known for its annual frog jumping competition.

[A]

Okay, now wait a second here.

[B]

Horning in on your actions, sir.

[A]

I was. Was loving this. Absolutely loving this. But you have to remember, David, I am from Valley City, Ohio, the frog jump capital of America. I'm not saying other towns can't do it, but, like, let's just keep the framing in there. We are. We are the frog jump capital of America.

[B]

Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. The competition made famous by Mark Twain. Back up the hill, you'll find the small town of Dorington, where Shelley and I are still building. Oh, yes, David's building a house in the mountains. Listen, David, as you will hear with my dad in the background installing the sink here in the studio, that's been. Dad, how long has the sink been here? Probably uninstalled, two to three years. That's just for a sink, David, it's a marathon. It's not a sprint. They're still building their damn house in the mountains. Hopefully it will be completed soon. Luke, am I kidding myself? Yes, David, you are kidding yourself. That's okay. That's part of the. You know, it's the. This has been for me and I Am a very impatient person by nature. This has been a great exercise in me learning a little bit of patience, and it's very rewarding. Now my dad and I will sit around in the house just kind of like admiring different corners of the place that are very different than when we started out here. I don't know, however many years ago, in three and a half years ago, it helps to have the institutional memory right now underneath the kitchen island. Listening to my half of the show,

[A]

I'm going to say, like, I'm happy to buy. I mean, it sort of sounds like the two of you, we've kind of got something going for some reason. You have a good rapport, the two of you. You have chemistry. I don't know where that comes from.

[B]

Just could be hours and hours and hours and weeks and weeks and weeks spent together on this project. So. So, David, good luck on the place in there. In. I think it's in Calaveras. And thank you for all of the support and hope that TBTL is keeping you company as you work on various projects up there. Thanks again. We couldn't do this without you. There's a right way to rock and a wrong way to roll.

[A]

You can't just listen to your song. Just remember that life, Life is number one.

[B]

You can be having so much fun. Just remember the day.

[A]

Life is much fun.

[B]

You can be nothing.

[A]

Number one. You know, I complain about AI a lot on this show, at least in its current incarnation, and the. And the. The way it's being marketed now and sort of forced upon us, but when I think about. And I don't know for sure, Luke, if this is actually AI, but I feel like it must have something to do with it, the fact that you were able to find and send me a photo of you standing in front of a Hungry Jack's Fast Food sign on your phone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

From. This was. How many years ago did we go to Australia? I mean, a long time ago now. Years and years. Years ago now. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The idea that you can just. I assume you searched. You used some sort of search term.

[B]

Well, this is the. This is the even wilder part. So I just put in Australia.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which, you know, that should have narrowed it down, but for some reason. I don't know if. I don't know why, but it didn't. The phone didn't realize that photo was taken in Australia. So then I just searched for anything that had hungry in it. And it just showed me pictures of me and Becca and Addie eating at different times. And then the Hungry and the Hungry Jack sign. That's what it found. It did not figure out that that was where do we fly into Melbourne or something. Whatever airport we flew into in Australia, it didn't know that the photo was taken in Australia, but it did know that the word hungry was in it.

[A]

Isn't that crazy? Well, yes. And that's what I was going to say. Even in the digital era, I just like every now and then when I'm reminded of the brilliance of a technology or like the kind of how much this. I don't even remember anybody like being like super excited. Like, hey, did you know you can search for photos now using words? Although I do know where I was the first time I learned it. I think I learned it from Nora McInerney at a radio conference. But like, we've just gotten used to that. Like, even in the digital era, the idea of a. Without labeling it yourself, without like loading the photos off of your phone and then renaming them them Luke hungryjacks Australia. The fact that phones can just like use words to find images that have not been labeled is incredible.

[B]

Insane.

[A]

Did we fly into a place called Adelaide maybe?

[B]

I mean, considering it's my daughter's name.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I feel like I would have. That would have really. There would be a lot of pictures of the airport signs that I would have been sending back.

[A]

That is where we flew in, though. Yeah, we flew into Adelaide, then Drew drove down to Kingston SE because that's where the lobster was.

[B]

Yes, Larry. I want to say Larry the lobster.

[A]

And then we started driving back up north. The reason I know this is because I kept all of our little stops on Google Maps. So when I open up Google Maps, zoom out all the way and then swing on over to Australia, you can see our path just marching straight up the continent, up the Stewart Highway. What a world. Oh, yeah. Anyway, I just wanted to. Because I do talk a lot of smack about technology. I wanted to say that's pretty incredible. And also this is a great photo and we will use it as the show.

[B]

You got to give it a put. If you're going to give it a put down, you got to occasionally give it a put up.

[A]

Two put ups. Exactly. All right, let's do some blurs days here. This is the way it works. If you want to wish yourself or somebody else a happy birthday, blursday, email me Andrew [e-mail] Put Blursday in the subject line. I got a note here from our pal bill in Kings 10. That's Ontario, right? I know.

[B]

It's Canada.

[A]

It's Ontario, I believe. I'm wishing myself a golden blurs day as I officially turn into a senior citizen today. I can't believe that I've been listening to tbtl. What is that, by the way? What is officially a senior citizen and is it different in Canada?

[B]

I'm terrible with the kind of conversion rate, but I would get. I'm guessing maybe six. Zero.

[A]

That seems about maybe.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know what they. That's the sound they play for you in Canada. Oh, officially crossed over into senior dumb, I see.

[A]

Let's see here. Bill says, I can't believe that I've been listening to TBTL since I was Luke's age. Or maybe your age. Andrew. I remember when there were weekend replay shows. Hey, that was the first thing I did officially on TPL bbtl, I think other than guest. I remember when Andrew came onto the scene. I remember Pizza Roulette with Jen and Sean. Happy birthday to all of. Actually, I don't think Jen and Sean were part of Pizza roulette. Not the sharpshoot this year. Right? That was.

[B]

That's been. That's been coming up on the show kind of a lot lately.

[A]

Yeah, that's Yumi Radkey the mummy. Right? I think. Yes. And maybe some other folks are in there. Happy blurs date. Oh, Sean might have have been there. Happy blurs day to all my fellow. Yeah, he was there. Yeah. Happy blurs day to all my fellow tens this week, especially those who didn't get a shout out today. Bill's got you covered, guys. Happy blurs day. Bill.

[B]

You know what Bill is? Bill is. Bill's the goat.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

Been listening for so long and checking and I say this, you know, I say this semi regularly. But I do remember in the early days of Bill when he was Bill in Toronto. Bill the Toronto and reaching out and me just being kind of like, holy smokes, we got somebody listening in Toronto. You know, like when folks, the early days of people checking in from like outside of Seattle and even outside of the U.S. it was very, very encouraging to me to feel like, okay, people are hearing this in faraway places.

[A]

And I want Bill to know that I am looking forward to bucket hat season, which is coming up. Bill sent me a really nice bucket hat that reprieve. I don't know if I. I don't want to get him in trouble.

[B]

Does it have writing on it?

[A]

It does. It's like. It's like what mail carriers wear.

[B]

Yeah. Because Bill was a mailman and I

[A]

think I'm supposed to maybe low key that a little bit because I don't know exactly where he got it from. But it's really cool and I like to use it when I am working out in the yard and trimming back the bushes. Coming up, ARIEL says Happy 35th birthday, Jake. You've, you've, you've thwarted my attempts for yet another year. You're getting wiser with age. From your loving wife, Ariel. This is Jake, the perfect daddy, I believe, right?

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah. Happy birthday, Jake. They grew up so quickly. Zach in McFarland, Wisconsin says Happy Birthday. I don't know anything about McFarland, Wisconsin, but I'm going to guess they have a bowling alley. I would love to go bowling in McFarland, Wisconsin.

[B]

You know what I would love to do? And I'm going to. And you can't stop me. There's a new like docu series on HBO about pro bowlers. And it looks, I know you're not like a particularly like a reality TV kind of guy, but this is something slightly different, I think. Again, it's not like a competition or like a thing where it's more like just I think a documentary. But, but it's broken up into episodes. Following some bolling, including the who do youo Think youk Are? I Am guy.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

So you've got some, some younger guys that are trying to make it in the league and some, you know, some, some guys that have been there for a while and it's just a view into the world of professional bowling or people that are trying to become professional bowlers. It looks awesome. It's on hbo.

[A]

Have you seen the documentary now that is about bowling and bowlers? This is almost like real life.

[B]

Is that the one that's got Tim Robinson?

[A]

I was going to say he's playing basically.

[B]

Is that Pete Weber? Is that the name of the guy?

[A]

Who do you think you are? I am. I am guy sounds about right. I was going to ask you, I was like is. I know that that was a favorite documentary. Now I know I've seen it, but it's been a long time and I was going to ask you if Tim Robinson is in it. I think he is. Yeah.

[B]

He plays basically a Pete Weber. They dress him exactly like that and he's just yelling insane stuff after he bowled. It's pretty great.

[A]

I need to re watch that. That show is really genius. It's a night. It was. I was the opposite of a completist on that. Like, I only caught it Here and there. But like, Genevieve swears by it.

[B]

Like the great gardens one is just.

[A]

Oh, I have not seen that one. I've heard you mention it before, but I have not. I haven't seen great gardens, though. Maybe. You know what, Luke? On the way, take a note. Hawaii. Yes. I'm thinking about things that I want to kind of watch on the plane. That might be a perfect.

[B]

Grey Gardens is a fascinating. That's some. I think that's the Maisels brothers, right?

[A]

Is it? I don't know.

[B]

Yeah. And then. Yeah, definitely watch Grey Gardens before you watch the documentary now because it'll just. It'll tickle you. It'll delight you.

[A]

That sounds great.

[B]

My dad is bringing in a sawzall.

[A]

Ooh, that's gonna get loud.

[B]

Which is. Yeah. So. Okay, keep going. We'll just so you know, we may be all may be sawzed here.

[A]

Okay. We only have about 17,000 more of these to go.

[B]

Why don't you just hand.

[A]

We have Eric in Minnesota says, taking it on to wish myself a happy blurs day. It's a golden blurs day for me. And that won't come back until 2032, which is in like 1500 shows from now. Thanks for doing the math on that, Eric. And happy golden blurs. Happy birthday to me, says Eric in my notes. I have. That is Eric's, by the way. I think that's a typo on my end. I don't.

[B]

Yeah, it's Eric's. That would be Eric. If you named your kid Eric's, you'd be saddling them with a lifetime of being on the phone going, no, it's Eric's.

[A]

No, it's Eric's.

[B]

No, it's Eric. It's like more than one Eric. It's Eric's.

[A]

January. Please wish a most bright and sunny. And now that's it. I mean, messed that up. I'm gonna start over. Here we go. Please wish a most bright and shiny of blurs to Virginia over there in Fort Worth. From her biggest fan in Virginia. This is Holly in Alexandria. May the bright moments shrink. The dark ones and joy win the day. I love that. Happy blurs day, Virginia. So that was a blurs. A shout out to somebody named Virginia from somebody in Virginia. So point that out for people who weren't clocking that happy blurs day to Hauser. Hey, wait, wait.

[B]

Are you sure it wasn't. Are you sure it wasn't Virginia?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I bought a balloon.

[A]

And it doesn't mean I think I'm

[B]

better than Everybody else, it wasn't Virginia Horston.

[A]

I need to pull that full tape out and start the show with that sometime very soon. Thank you for the reminder on that

[B]

I feel Friday intro every day.

[A]

I'm like just scrolling through my kind of pre made intros and I feel like I do the same ones over and over and then I'm reminded of that. How has that not popped up recently? It's one of my favorites. Happy Blursday to Hauser from Anna J Dog. I shouldn't be learning about it this way. Happy Blursday Hauser. I'm sorry that I forgot that's me speaking, not Anna. Anna is the one reminding us. Happy Blurs day two. Hauser from Ann. It says if my phone calculator is to be trusted, you are 48. Damn. Thanks for being a consummate cat daddy, providing endless tech related advice, and going toe to toe with my dramatic voice notes. Have a great year, party girl. Glove, Anna. No, Annie.

[B]

She signs it Annie. All right, sorry.

[A]

Messed that up. Lot of mistakes. I have one more here. This is from Diane, who says a very Happy Blurs day to my beautiful daughter and favorite fellow. 10 Grace. See, this is what we like to. This is what we like to see. This is what we like to hear. This is Grace is not a 5. Grace is a fellow 10. Love that I'm out of music, but that's okay. I will never regret making you listen to TBTL every night during the radio days, even though I'm certain it molded your adolescent brain in ways that can never be undone. Suddenly you find yourself donating to podcasts. What have I done? So explain that I hope your Blurs day week is full of music, dancing, delicious food and fun, and that this year is everything you want it to be and more. Happy Blurs Day Grace from Diane and from us.

[B]

Absolutely. Solid name too.

[A]

Amazing name for a kid. All right, Luke. That's all. That's all I got.

[B]

I wish I had. Well, it's actually, that's is perfect timing because my dad has got the sawzall, he's got his hand on the trigger and he's ready to do some sort of intense, loud sawing process there under that kitchen island.

[A]

Well, I know it's not a competition, but I want you to know that our contractors will be here pretty soon and they're bringing a saw some with them. It's not a salsa, it's definitely a sals.

[B]

Well, you saved a little money on that, so it's probably worth it.

[A]

It'll show in the end, though, huh?

[B]

All right, that's going to do it for today's episode.

[A]

But.

[B]

But we will be right back here tomorrow with a more imaginary radio for all of you, so please stop on by for that. In the meantime, have a great Thursday, Take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall, and good luck to all.

[A]

Power out.