#4695 A Few Small Dogs

Summary

TBTL #4695: “A Few Small Dogs”
March 31, 2026

Episode Overview

In this episode, Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh kick off a light-hearted but deeply relatable conversation about the anticipation and anxiety around pet adoption. Andrew details his and Genevieve's journey toward adopting a dog, weaving in comedic misadventures from past pet searches, and reflecting on the unique personalities they’ve encountered in the world of animal rescue. Alongside the main thread, the hosts veer into Northwest media nostalgia, the saga of Luke’s lawnmower tire, public bathroom etiquette, and the slow decline of legacy journalism, all balanced with TBTL’s irreverent tone and authentic friendship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Bartering, Bozos, and Instant Everything (00:00–01:20)

• Playful opening: Andrew and Luke banter in a faux market haggling over pears.
• Luke: “I'm calling a lot of people bozo now. It's like my new thing.” (00:22)
• Reflection on the pace of modern life—instant everything from orange juice to entertainment—and nostalgia for obsolete tech (DiscMans, answering machines, Nintendo Power Glove).

Andrew and Genevieve’s Dog Adoption Journey (04:08–15:38)

• Andrew describes a positive initial meeting with a foster agency:
  • “She was just so down to earth, not judgy, and just... unbelievably chill.” (06:33)
  • The foster coordinator impressively knows all the dogs’ details off the top of her head.
• Pet adoption past:
  • Andrew recounts trying to find kittens on country roads and running into “officiousness” in formal adoption settings.
  • Lighthearted quip: “We did find a kid... Everything legally, it's best left not revisited.” (06:17)
• Process differences:
  • Andrew is process-oriented, preferring to move slowly and learn, while Genevieve “just falls in love too quickly” with dogs and apartments.
  • “I want to enjoy this process, and I want the anticipation.” (29:11)
• Puppy vs. older dog debate:
  • Puppies may adjust better to Bingo, their existing cat.
  • Agency’s dog lineup includes a memorable puppy named Opalite (“hell of a name”).
    • “You can only name so many of them Lucky… This one's named Yellow Number Five.… Ophelia Bioflavin.” (13:40)
• Plan: Meet puppies (possibly Thursday), consider both puppies and incoming rescues (e.g., “Dibs, currently in transit from New Orleans”).

Navigating Household Dynamics & Pet Integration (15:38–22:39)

• Luke observes, “A puppy and a grown cat will do pretty well together… the cat is kind of the boss potentially.” (15:12)
• Andrew shares his hopes that Bingo, their cat, will adapt and possibly "raise" the dog.
• The emotional complexity of integrating pets: “We love this cat more than life itself… It does continue to bum us out that he and Bananas never really jibed.” (20:01)
• Genevieve tends to “fall in love with the first dog,” and Andrew recognizes their complementary decision-making styles.

The Anticipation Analogy: Schrodinger’s Opening Day (24:04–29:11)

• Andrew compares dog adoption anticipation to the excitement before Mariners Opening Day:
  • “Every possibility is still on the table. It is Schrodinger's opening day.” (28:19)
  • Part of the fun is fantasizing about all potential outcomes and savoring the not-knowing.
• Luke: “Once the dog is there, you're out of the anticipation mode, and you're just in the, like, now this is really happening mode.” (29:18)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Andrew on adoption agency meetings:
  • “She just had the databases in her head... so non-judgmental and nice.” (06:33)
• On past attempts to adopt:
  • “Genevieve lived in Boston and the cat was going to live with me in New Hampshire… all this red tape.” (05:57)
• Joking about finding children on playgrounds:
  • “They claimed that the child already belonged to another family.” (06:25)
• Andrew on not rushing the process:
  • “This might be the only time in my life I do this… I want to enjoy this process.” (29:11)
• Luke, reflecting on relationships and decision-making:
  • “I tend to do a lot of crazy stuff and make a lot of impulsive decisions. So it sounds like you guys are going to balance each other out.” (31:16)

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Sidebars & Notable Segments

Les Schwab, Lawn Equipment, and Dad Advice (32:04–51:01)

• Luke’s lawnmower tire saga leads to nostalgic tales about Les Schwab Tires, “free beef” promotions, and Northwest regionalisms.
• Comparison of DIY attempts vs. the expertise and speed of Les Schwab’s tire service.
• Advice from both their dads about household repairs—especially the dangers of knives in freezers and using screwdrivers on inner tubes.

Public Restroom Etiquette and Stories (39:12–45:59)

• Both hosts share vivid, comedic tales of encountering single-use bathrooms in distress.
  • Luke: “He just, he looked totally and completely unapologetic about what I was about to find out in there.” (42:49)

Listener Contributions: Dazzling Donors (51:07–66:28)

• Jamie (not Jaime) in Maryland recaps her marathon of listening to the entire TBTL backlog:
  • “I decided to start TBTL from episode number one… compressing almost 11 years of this nonsense into three and a half.” (55:23)
• Max McDaniel shouts out the importance of TBTL as a home touchstone on overseas work trips.
  • “What we're doing is so important.” (65:00)

Media Nostalgia: Remembering John Hinterberger (66:37–79:50)

• Luke nostalgically remembers Seattle restaurant critic John Hinterberger:
  • “As a 12-year-old… you knew John Hinterberger. Like, you knew that the restaurant review guy for the Seattle Times, he was a celebrity.” (67:04)
  • Hinterberger’s impact: Helping bring teriyaki to prominence in Seattle, support for regional charities, and was “a sort of Seattle institution.”
• Andrew reflects on the loss of robust local journalism and shares thoughts on the decline of the Washington Post’s editorial integrity under Jeff Bezos.
• Brief detour: Andrew’s New Yorker caption contest loss—“I stand by it. The cartoon… ‘And remember, we can only eat what snails eat, too.’” (92:08)

Internet Sleuthing: The Mystery Drop Solved (94:49–97:55)

• Listeners Tammy and Ryan help Andrew track down the origin of a mysterious audio drop:
  • The line “This ship doesn't go anywhere except in circles” comes from a 1982 Neiman Marcus spaceship recliner pod ad.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Pet adoption & process talk: 04:08–31:16
• Comparison to baseball anticipation: 24:04–29:11
• Lawnmower/Les Schwab saga: 32:04–39:12
• Restroom stories: 39:12–45:59
• Dazzling donors & listener highlights: 51:07–66:28
• Remembering John Hinterberger & media decline: 66:37–79:50
• The drop mystery solved: 94:49–97:55

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode is a rolling, affectionate, and gently self-deprecating conversation in classic TBTL style. Andrew’s meticulous nature pairs with Luke’s impulsiveness both in pet adoption and life—giving listeners a slice-of-life look at friendship and major decisions. The show bounces between silly sidebars (restroom revenge, hardware store lore) and meaningful reflections on nostalgia, change, and community connection. The “few small dogs” of the episode title is less about canines and more about TBTL’s magic: finding meaning and humor in the everyday.

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Notable Final Quote:

• Andrew: “I'm stoked for you guys to get this dog. I'm jealous, but stoked. And a little hungry, but mostly jealous, but also a little bit stoked and a little bit cooler.” (31:54)

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For listeners who missed it:
You’ll come away understanding the joyous dread of pet adoption, catch glimpses of old Seattle, hear why Les Schwab is sacred, and be reminded that, in TBTL land, the journey is always more fun than the destination.

Transcript

[Andrew Walsh]

Pears. Nice. Yes, one of nature's most delectable fruits. Excuse me, sir, how much for this? Those are 50 cents.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I won't pay full price, so I'll give you a dime.

[Andrew Walsh]

They're 50 cents, buddy.

[Luke Burbank]

Very well, I'll drop you a quarter. No. Okay, 35 cents.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't have time for this. Friggin.

[Luke Burbank]

Give me the 30 cents. I talked you down.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good barter. There you go.

[Luke Burbank]

Good barter. All right, bozo. Thank you.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm calling a lot of people bozo now.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like my new thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Tbtl. I don't have a soul, but I

[Luke Burbank]

guess that's an intergalactic space greeting. That means hello, space brothers.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know, maybe part of it's the fact that you're in a hurry. You've grown up on instant orange juice. Flip a dial, instant entertainment. Dial seven digits, instant communication. Turn a key, push a pedal, instant transportation. Flash a card, instant money. Shove in a problem, push a few buttons, instant answers, disc mans and floppy disks and zip drives, laser discs, answering

[Luke Burbank]

machines and Nintendo Power glove.

[Andrew Walsh]

You seem to me to be a pretty righteous hombre. I wish you were my grandpa. Dude, give me a braark.

[Luke Burbank]

Give us the real deal or we're outta here. Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome everyone to a Tuesday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Andrew Walsh]

Don't miss the sausage fest.

[Luke Burbank]

My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. First things first, I love my job coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it's actually a pretty nice day so far. Oh, Ma Pa. It's just beautiful. It was so cold yesterday. The sun was out, which was nice, but it was freezing while I was out on yard patrol. I'm just going ham on this yard.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wanted to add a few comments regarding

[Luke Burbank]

your mole situation, but I didn't let that deter me. And today, when all my real work is done, I will once again be out there beautifying things. I've got a whole new like life theory, as I often do based on my experience weeding. Maybe I'll share that wisdom with all of you. Coming up here on episode 4695 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. It's like being Cisco Morris, but less entertaining. That's kind of my. My lane, my other lane is updating you all on the parking ticket I received in Portland, Oregon recently. The unfair parking ticket. Can you. Can you verify. Can you give me some four One, one where I like, clearly paid the meter. Then when I called them, the woman said, well, you have to plead guilty anyway. And then. And then hopefully it'll work out for you. Well, we know the, we know the outcome of the whole thing. We'll talk about that. Also, I did get a chance to go to one of my very favorite establishments in all of the Pacific Northwest yesterday. I need you to understand something so good. Check it out. And a Seattle media legend, John Hinterberger has passed away. If you are as old as I am and were as sort of like immersed, I guess in the Seattle media scene in the 80s and 90s, you know that he was a. He was a legend. You're like the coolest person I've ever met and had an interesting sort of played interesting role in the rise of teriyaki, actually, of all things. So maybe we'll get into that, time permitting. We definitely have time for this legend. I'm off putting. I'm an embarrassment, but I'm also a legend. Oddly, he is the longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Is that a. Do I see a dog in the studio? He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was a fake dog. The dog that you heard was a fake dog. My dog spoofing that dog.

[Luke Burbank]

That was. Why, why are you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why do you think the sound effect is so realistic when you play it? I always think I have a dog. And it's. It is the most realistic sound effect that you play, like, by far. Whenever I hear it, I, I takes me a moment.

[Luke Burbank]

Would you say that dog is barking? That is not my dog.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is not my dog. But I am. I am a little dog crazy. We had a meeting yesterday, Genevieve and I did, with the person with the foster adoption agency, which I'm blanking on the name of, which is probably fine. But I'll tell you what, I love this woman. I want to adopt this woman. She's great. I'm serious. Like, I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

They're good people that work with the rescue and the sheltering and the rehoming, if you will, of animals. They tend to be good folks.

[Andrew Walsh]

They do says the dog days are over. But can, I mean, at the risk of, you know, alienating anybody, you know, in our other pet adoption processes, we have found that the people takes a

[Luke Burbank]

certain kind of person.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And they, they tend to be very. I have just run into. This is like in our experience in the past, adopting cats like, through proper means. Now, keep in mind, we ended up getting bingo off of, like, this is pre Craigslist. So it was liter. We went to a bulletin board in a grocery store in Boston. Did I ever tell you this story? We wanted to adopt a cat, and we went into a Veeves. I grew up in the country, so I thought, like, let's just drive around the hilly parts of New Hampshire and look for free kitten boxes at the ends of driveways. Literally, that's what we did. And Veeves was like, that sounds crazy. And I was like, no, no. This is how it works. She was right. It was crazy. And we did not find any kittens at the ends of driveways. But. And that was what it was like growing up. And so we was like, well, let's go through the proper channels. This is 25 years ago. Keep in mind. But then when we tried to go through the proper channels, people were giving us all kinds of grief because Genevieve lived in Boston and the cat was going to live with me in New Hampshire. And it was like, we couldn't. Oh. We tried an adoption shelter in Massachusetts, and they said, you can't adopt out of state. It was just like all this red tape. We went through similar things when we were trying to adopt Professor Bananas. In both cases, we would have tried

[Luke Burbank]

to adopt that child.

[Andrew Walsh]

And, well, that is. Now, that is not.

[Luke Burbank]

You were driving around the countryside looking for kids that were wandering, and then you had to go through the formal process, and they wanted to have you answer a bunch of questions.

[Andrew Walsh]

You see, the thing about that was, I don't even want to get into that one because we did find a kid.

[Luke Burbank]

Everything legally, it's best left not revisited.

[Andrew Walsh]

They claimed that the child already belonged to another family, which. But at that point, I was kind of like, well, isn't.

[Luke Burbank]

You claimed Finders keepers?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I was.

[Luke Burbank]

In the case of finders versus keepers versus the state of New Hampshire, I

[Andrew Walsh]

was like, why would you just leave a perfectly good child on the jungle gym? And so anyway, no, but we did find that there was a lot of officiousness and weird and also just sort of like, weird, like people who truly care about animals but also have sometimes interesting kind of personalities around it and have, in our experience. And again, this is going back years kind of a way of talking down to you and various things. And so I wasn't exactly sure what this is going to be like. And now. Now I've set the bar so low that it sounds like I'm damning this woman with faint praise. But she was just so down to earth, not judgy and so, you know, like informative obviously and just has a brain. She, she runs. I don't know what her role is, if she runs this organization or what her, you know, specific role is, but she's just like shares her screen with us and is going through basically a database one by one, but like off the dome, like knows everything about all of the dogs on this, this spreadsheet. And it just kept going. She's. And then she's like, oh wait, wait. Well, bids isn't even on here. Here, let me show you a picture of. Bit like she just had the databases in her head. She's so. She had it so locked in, but it was also like so unbelievably chill and not just non judgmental and nice and like I'm so excited to work with them. Honestly. It was such a good first impression. And as you know, to recap our journey here a little bit, Vivs and I don't have Vivs grew up with dogs. I for the most part didn't. And so we want to make sure that we're just doing this right and bringing a dog into the house for the first time that it doesn't disrupt our, you know, cat's lifestyle that he's grown accustomed to and everything. And so I'm ready to move very slowly with this process. The problem is Genevieve and she admits this is kind of like Genevieve just falls in love too quickly. Like with, with real estate, with. If we're looking for, you know, an apartment to rent, whatever it is. I'm like, okay, great, let's start the process. It's to. Going. Going to be like six months until we find the right thing. But Genevieve, do you think you might

[Luke Burbank]

fall in love a little more slowly than the average?

[Andrew Walsh]

Maybe? I mean, I don't know. Like I. There's just no rush. Like there's.

[Luke Burbank]

There's literally no what if someone else gets it?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, that's kind of the thing. That's the, that's the, that's what drives Genevieve's thing is just like she see

[Luke Burbank]

any commonalities between me and your.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because I just sort of feel like the process is really important to the learning about this. Like we're not just learning how to take care of a dog. We're learning the process as well. And so for me it sort of seems like, well, if we adopt the first dog we see, then we don't even really figure out the kind of the contours and the options then you

[Luke Burbank]

don't get to have your heart broken four times falling in love with dogs and then them not being the dog or someone else getting them.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know. I go back and forth because I can assert. I mean, cats are. I do feel, like, a little bit different, or at least I have more experience with cats. So when we drove down to Tacoma three years ago to meet some kittens, I think we were pretty much on board that we're probably gonna pick a kitten that day. We didn't bring Bingo home right away because he still had to have. He still had to be fostered and have some things, you know, shots and procedures and stuff, I think. But we did go down there, and I will say Bingo made it very easy. Like, he crawled up on Genevieve right away, started playing with her, got tired, crawled over to me and fell asleep on my lap. Or maybe it was vice versa of that or something. He just, like. He just demanded our attention right away. So we're like, obviously, this is the cat for us, and may all dogs will do that as well, because dogs are going to be so lovey. But anyway, it does look like we might go meet a couple of puppies on. Yeah, the plan was to get, like, kind of an older. That is not my puppy.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, I'll stop flipping. He's hilarious dog.

[Andrew Walsh]

Who is Rick Moranis? Can you say Rick Moranis without saying it in the patter of that snl.

[Luke Burbank]

Drake. Drake on snl, I think that's right.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. And it is Drake playing a nerdy guy. Right. For some reason, I thought it was hilarious dog. Who is Rick?

[Luke Burbank]

Rick Moranis. This.

[Andrew Walsh]

This standup comedian was raw and delirious. Delirious.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, he is hilarious dog.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, so you might think about an older dog, but there are several reasons we were thinking, or at least a couple of reasons we were thinking about getting an older dog. Not super old, but I was thinking, like, in the two or three age range, number one, proven track record with cats. You know, like, we wanted a dog that we knew had either lived with or had extended time with a cat, and we knew it wouldn't be an issue there. Also easier to train or, you know, kind of not having to train because the. The dog would hopefully be housebroken and everything. And also driving. It was. I just sort of figured when you're dealing with an adoption agency like this, that is like, rescuing dogs, that it would be harder to, like, kind of get a puppy. I would assume that everybody was puppy crazy, you know, and that it's almost A little bit more responsible to get a dog that maybe is a couple of years older and maybe not flying off the shelves. They keep the dogs on shelves, which is. But. But it turns out, like, we're just gonna do whatever seems right. And the person we were talking to yesterday said, first of all, you know, really raising a puppy with the kitten or with the cat, I should say, is probably a better way of guaranteeing that they will get along.

[Luke Burbank]

Have you seen a Disney film?

[Andrew Walsh]

It's freaking adorable. We also are thinking about getting a talking bird

[Luke Burbank]

and Iago from Aladdin.

[Andrew Walsh]

Genevieve. Really? Eyes are eyes on a singing lobster that seems to be from Jamaica. Do I have any of that right? I don't know if I've seen it.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, you do. I mean, those are from different films, but you are not wrong about all about any of those.

[Andrew Walsh]

Great. So anyway, so it looks like maybe on Thursday, there's somebody who's fostering a couple of puppies up in the Edmonds area, which isn't too far from us, so I don't know. There's a chance there is.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you know anything about the puppies? Them.

[Andrew Walsh]

We know that they're. They're. They're all mutts. I don't know if I remember.

[Luke Burbank]

The only reason, their pure breadedness and more just like, how big we think they're gonna get. Stuff like that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, they're so. Their. Their mom. And these puppies are all up for adoption, but the mom, Lola, the. The woman we were speaking with yesterday said, like, Lola's a real sweet dog, but was showing maybe a little bit too. Too much excitement, like, kind of chasing birds in the yard the other day or something. And she's like, so whatever Lola wants.

[Luke Burbank]

Lol.

[Andrew Walsh]

And so because of that, she's like, there might be a little bit more of an instinct of like, kind of a prey instinct or something, maybe with Lola. So maybe not the first candidate to be around a cat. No huge flags there. But just maybe the mom. But Lola's the mom. And she's, like, right in our age range, like two and a half or something like that. But then she has a litter of, I want to say, four to six puppies. There was one, the first one that I saw that I was like, oh, God damn it. Like, oh, God damn it. Was this little puppy named Opalite who is. Yeah. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, hell of a name.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think the woman who we were talking with names a lot of them because I asked her about it. She's like, you just. She's like, you just run out. You can only name so many of them Lucky. Like she.

[Luke Burbank]

This one's named Yellow number Five.

[Andrew Walsh]

She got Ophelia Bioflavin.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm just reading things off the back of the milk now.

[Andrew Walsh]

She named. There was some sort of. There was some sort of Greek, I guess, Greek thing going. I could see it was Ophelia Opalite, and then two other kind of great Greek names. But anyway, Opalite, it looks like is already now with another family in a trial foster situation. But then. But I guess I think Ophelia is still in the mix.

[Luke Burbank]

Can you send me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, I don't have any photos.

[Luke Burbank]

There's no digital record of these. These animals. Okay, that's fine.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I don't think there was some kind of.

[Luke Burbank]

If there was some link that you could send me. I wanted to geek out on with

[Andrew Walsh]

you, but, yeah, the woman was just screen sharing with us, but I think they're. Genevieve might have a better understanding of what the. What the makeup of these dogs were if we know. I don't know, but I know that Lola the mom is only about, like, I want to say, 12 pounds. I think maybe 15 or something. So pretty. Okay, I think I'm right about that. So pretty small anyway. So these dogs won't grow up to be super big. And we're pretty flexible in size, but small to medium. Medium small being kind of the idea.

[Luke Burbank]

A few small dogs.

[Andrew Walsh]

Few small dogs.

[Luke Burbank]

Or just get three small dogs and kind of just sort of stack them on each other.

[Andrew Walsh]

I asked them if they have trench coats. I'm like, do you have three dogs?

[Luke Burbank]

And they're going to come in handy at some point. Well, I think that's really great because I think that, again, this is. You know, we have listeners in the audience who know more about this stuff than I do, certainly. But I think typically a puppy and a more. A more grown cat will do pretty well together because even though the puppy is still probably somewhat formidable to the cat, the cat is kind of the boss potentially.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now, I know you're worried, because I think Bingo is gonna be. He's a really smart cat. And I can see. Not to get too deep into our household dynamics here, Luke, but Genevieve and I are having issues.

[Luke Burbank]

No, but thruple news

[Andrew Walsh]

boy, today in Throuple News.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, seriously, get the. Get the heat off of our friend Lindy. My God, the Internet is melting down about her book.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's like, I know I haven't ready a brain. I don't even want to read any of the coverage Until I read the book itself, honestly. But Genevieve has been sort of filling me in on all of the blowback.

[Luke Burbank]

Really wild, actually, to just happen to know pretty well a person who the whole Internet has decided they have opinions about.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I know.

[Luke Burbank]

Even more so than normal for her, which is, you know, she's usually. Usually got a fair amount of activity, but, I mean, this is just off the charts right now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it really is. And it's one of those. I'd actually. I mean, I'm sure we'll hopefully do another show with her soon, her and Megan or have her on, but. Yeah, it's one of those things, though. And again, you and I have never dealt early. I'll speak for myself. I've never dealt with anything like, with, you know, on such that level of openly.

[Luke Burbank]

We haven't talked about our throupleness.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, right, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

You, me, and we haven't gone public with any of this.

[Andrew Walsh]

You, me, and Opalite are in some sort of a.

[Luke Burbank]

That does sound like the name of a person that would be in a thruffle.

[Andrew Walsh]

But.

[Luke Burbank]

But peace and love, everybody. Peace and love.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, to the very, like, to the tiniest percentage of a degree that I know about people talking about or having opinions on our personal lives. It's one of those things where it's like, well, sometimes when it goes even a little bit too far, you're like, well, I sort of. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. To a certain extent, at least that's. I'm talking about me now. I'm not trying to put this on Lindy, but it's kind of like, well, okay, people have opinions about how I behaved in some situation or something that I've talked about on the show in a certain way. I've made that public. And so I wonder how she sort of balances that as well. She writes about being very, very, very personal. But also I know that people are being shitty, too. So, you know, and people have been shitty to her a lot in her professional life. And so that. That's something.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I think that. I think that Lyndy would probably say that. Yeah, she wrote a book about her life, and so it's reasonable that people have read the book and then have formed op. What's in the book? I think she would. She would say that that's. That's, again, that's very reasonable. I'm just surprised at the. The way that this has really. I mean, what I would say. And by the way, I'll be talking to Lindy at the reaser over in, in, in beautiful Beaverton, Oregon, on Livewire. Coming up. I don't have the exact date right in front of me. Oh, I do. It's going to be May 29th. So I guess maybe I'll ask Lindy about this during the show. But, but I think in a, this is a really weird way to put it, but I think in a bizarre way, it's slightly a compliment to Lindy. And this is why people who are fans of hers or who really appreciate her writing and her other stuff identify with her so closely and so strongly. And she represents a lot to people that when she is explaining her life and her decisions in a way that maybe either doesn't make sense to them or causes them to think that she's somehow a victim in her life or whatever, the reaction is just really, really, really intense. But it, that's only because of how much Lindy and the idea of Lindy means to people, which only happens when the idea of you means a lot to people. So it's, you know, it's been. Yeah. Anyway, we, you know, we'll, we'll get Lindy on the show, on this show. Hopefully, you know, when she gets a moment to come up for air.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

We could talk about it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Because I'd be, I'm, you know, I'm curious what the, this has been like for her and her family and all of that stuff. But back to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, let me just finish my one thought on this, which was I was getting into the, the intimate details of my personal life, not unlike Lindy. And I think people will really see the comparisons here.

[Luke Burbank]

But the Internet has stayed fairly quiet on the table.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, until we post this show, obviously. But. So bringing Bingo into our family is somewhat complicated because obviously we love this cat more than life itself. Right. Bingo is our boy and he's so sm. So lucky. I've never had a cat like this before, but.

[Luke Burbank]

And you grabbed him somewhat hastily. So there's a. That's one point.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love that you're pushing me.

[Luke Burbank]

Leaping before you look.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Like, I don't know what's in it.

[Luke Burbank]

Leaping before you look.

[Andrew Walsh]

What is in it for you to push me to be hazy?

[Luke Burbank]

A validation of my entire life on this planet.

[Andrew Walsh]

So far I see it. That's good.

[Luke Burbank]

Says the guy with two and a half divorces and a trail of abandoned pets.

[Andrew Walsh]

So. But when we brought Bingo home, I have no regrets about that at all. Like, obviously, he's been an improvement in our life. It does continue to bum Us out Genevieve to an even higher degree that he and Bananas never quite totally jibed. Now he loved Bananas. And whenever possible, I have a million photos of Bingo and Bananas snuggling before she died. But the reason I have so many photos of it is because it wasn't an everyday thing. So whenever we saw it, we made a million photos. Yeah. And it's not. It's not even like it never happened, but like it overflow with our heart so much when we saw that. And I truly believe that if Bananas had another year with us, that year would have been. We were getting so close to them, I think, being more comfortable together. But the first, like, six months, or at least it felt that way. We first brought Bingo home. Bananas was just always Crunch. She had finally relaxed in our new house. We brought this little kitten home, and she just never. She was so much bigger. She was twice his size. And when he came up to her and tried to, like, play with her or do something, she should have just taken her paw and tamped him down and, like, been the older cat and taught him. Like, we saw, you know, Theo do that with Bananas when Bananas was the kitten. But Bananas was so timid. And so Bingo never got, like, sort of an adult. An adult's paw in his raising. You know what I mean? And so. And it kind of bums me out. And I also hate to say it, but I blame the victim a little bit. Like, still in my head, I'm like, bananas, why didn't you just take control of this kitten when you had the opportunity to? Having said all of that, given Bingo's oversized personality and general chill as well, I just think that he would have a role, as Corny as it sounds. Get at me when you tire of getting at Lindy. Get at me about my crazy theory that my cat is going to raise this dog for me. But I think I just. There's something to that.

[Luke Burbank]

Bingo will do. I mean, and I mean just the. Just the video content. Andrew. I don't mean. I don't mean for the website, but just for my personal use. Just that you send me of, like, a puppy and then Bingo having fun with the puppy. I mean, that's just sounds so damn delightful and something that we all need during these troubled times.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, we have. So we're going. Here's the deal, though. So we're going to visit one of these, or maybe the two dogs that haven't been adopted yet, these puppies that are Lola's kids. But also, I haven't even told you about Dibs who is in the pipeline right now, who's currently in transit, I think, from, like, New Orleans or something like that, and is going to arrive here in a couple of weeks and then has to be quarantined for a while. But we saw a picture of Dibs. Dibs is again, I don't know. I think maybe a little bit of pit. He's still a puppy, though. He's got these really big paws. But they don't think he's going to get super big because that's a concern of ours, too. We don't want a super big dog. But that's kind of the thing is, like, I just feel like right now, I don't know. Okay, can I do something? Here, Let me. This is not an analogy that I'd been thinking of, but it was actually an experience that I had in Hawaii that I was thinking of you about, because I knew that opening day for the Mariners was on Thursday during my vacation, right? And when I first realized that, I was like, oh, oh, no. Like, am I gonna miss opening day? Do we have dinner reservations or something at that time? And I looked at my calendar a couple of weeks before we left for vacation, and I saw, like, oh, okay, that's a clear day for us. We have nothing booked. That can be just, like, wake up, beach, pool day, whatever. Then maybe I can find a place to watch the Mariners game, like a bar or something. Or I can take my laptop and just plug it into the TV in the Airbnb. So I'm thinking about this before we even leave for vacation. As the day gets closer, even on vacation, I am sort of bouncing off the walls with excitement over all of the options. Because Genevieve keeps saying, well, why don't we go down to, like, Bruce Magoose's or whatever, this family kind of sports bar. It's like Spruce. It's not the Spruce. Goose. Goose Magoose. I don't know. Some cheesy kind of place. She's like, let's go there and see if maybe they'll have the game on. Or this little kind of Hawaii dive bar that we go to. They might have the. So we were sort of asking bartenders.

[Luke Burbank]

McGillicuddies.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Moose McGillicuddies. Not your. Not your San Diego? No. Is that a chain?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, There's a moose McGillicuddies in the gas Lamp. There used to be in the Gas Lamp district of San Diego, but anyway, that's neither here nor there.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think it is called Moose McGillicuddies, but it's like, Kind of a. It's one of those, like, a lot of flair on the wall, family restaurants, a lot of tv' whatever. But in the days leading up, these is like, sort of thinking about places we can go to watch the game or that I can go to watch the game. I'm still thinking, yes. But also I'm signing up for this Mariners package. By the way. It was going to be difficult. I was worried about any of the bars having the game because nobody knew what cable channel it was going to be on until literally two hours before the game.

[Luke Burbank]

It was insane. It was insane. And like, you know, that's the kind of thing that in my experience, particularly you're in Hawaii. I mean, this isn't necessarily even like, like, Mariners. You're not in a long view or something. You know, you're not like, relatively close to Seattle.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, they could.

[Luke Burbank]

They could decide they're a Dodgers bar or something. And then it's also the kind of thing that, like, most bartenders are just trying to do their job of bartending. And when you walk in with like a. Do you have ML? Do you have Mariners tv?

[Andrew Walsh]

Right? Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, no. Why would I have signed up for that? I'm slinging. I'm slinging green beer at Moose McGillicuddy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And also, but this other bar that we went to that Genevieve had, I kind of met her there later, and it was kind of more of a. I think they even call it like the Islands Dive Bar or something. But it's. It's a nice little neighborhood bar. But Genevieve had gotten there first and was already kind of hitting up the bartender about, like, apparently the bartender says, oh, yeah, the manager here is a big Seahawks fan. Like, it is that, like, Hawaii does lean towards Pacific Northwest as far as sports culture is concerned. And because of that, the Mariners blackout games on Mariners or on MLB TV in Hawaii as well. So. But okay, okay. We don't have to get into all that. I know. I'm just so glad the world is finally, though. You and I have been, like, complaining about this boring old men for a couple of years now. Now there's all kinds of memes about it. Somebody listener, shout out to the person who texted me the meme of how there's a upcoming Angels Rangers game where every inning is gonna be on a different streaming service. Did you see that as well? That's pretty good. But all that is to say, this is not a negative of the story. This was as I got closer. Like, I spent almost all day Wednesday, the debut before the opening Day thinking, well, I could do this. There was this huge. I think it's new, very nice kind of outdoor garden area that is like an entire city block that is also a food truck pod or court or something. But it's, like, really well integrated and nice and very pleasant place. Right. And it must be. I think it's all private property, because you can. I thought it was funny. They have a sign on the outside of the gate says that says you can't bring outside food in, even though it's this whole area of picnic tables and tons of kind of upscale food trucks and everything. But the day before, I'm like, telling Vi, oh, I could come here, I could get a Loco Moco and take it back. But I'm like, do I want to. Do I want to eat Loco moco when I'm watching the game? Or do I want to get these. These, you know, Caribbean jerk wings? Like, really? Wings would be better. Or I could go to that bar. We could just go to Bruce Magus's. Or we could. And I'm just like. Or I go to the grocery store, I get some pretzels and hummus, and, like, I'm just bouncing around. It's mostly food related, now that I think about it, but. And Genevieve at one point was just kind of like, you're really excited or confused or having some sort of feelings about this. I'm like, yeah. And I think it is because right now is the ultimate time. The game hasn't started, and literally it is. Every possibility is still on the table. It is Schrodinger's opening day. Right? Like, I could. Anything. And it could be a great experience or a bad experience. We could win or we could lose. I could have chicken wing grease on my face or a little bit of hummus in my beard. Ew.

[Luke Burbank]

But I was yelling, benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal by the seventh inning stretch.

[Andrew Walsh]

Somehow I did not have that on my bingo card, but somebody did. So I think I'm that way a little. And I was thinking about you because I was like, wow, I really am being crazy here. But I was enjoying it. I loved that. And I loved that for me. And I was thinking about, oh, I'm a little bit like this usually for the first time, like, Seahawks game that I'm going to be able to watch during a season. It's like, I get excited, like, oh, I'll go to the frozen food aisle and decide, am I a Stouffer's boy today? Or whatever, you know, And I just love the total Potential. And this dog thing is, like, this might be the only time in my life I do this. Like, this is, you know, times 100, and it's a member of our family. And so for me, I don't want to rush through this process. Like, I want to enjoy this process, and I want to, like, the anticipation

[Luke Burbank]

is really fun for you, so. And once the dog is there, you're out of the anticipation mode, and you're just in the, like, now this is really happening mode.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And by the way, this woman, I want to be very clear, she was not a bummer in any way, but she did say at one point, she's like, you know, when people are kind of expecting a child, and they're so excited to bring a child into their life, but then you can kind of. Kind of. There can be sort of once the baby comes home, sort of a depression or, you know, whether it's postpartum depression or just generally speaking, it's just, like, a lot of work. She's like, I think a lot of dog owners feel that way when they first adopt, or even puppy owners, because it's just. She's like, it's so much work, especially with puppies.

[Luke Burbank]

John's getting rid of his dog.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah, that was. How much is that going for?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, his dog is. He said. Because when he was on the show for you last week, he was talking about. About Manon and that, like, you know, she's still getting used to crate training, and she has. Her teeth are basically needles, but she loves nothing more than to bite you. And, yeah, I mean, that puppy face. There is a certain amount of work

[Andrew Walsh]

associated with it, and he has so much more experience with this than I do. And so I'm not blanching at the work, and I'm not blanching at any of this stuff, but I'm just sort of like, well, let's really. We're gonna go see these puppies, it looks like maybe on Thursday. And so I'll maybe have an update for you on Friday. But, like, Dibs is still in Louisiana. You know what I mean? And so I'd like to kind of see maybe pet Dibs a little bit and sort of pet as many dogs as possible before locking it in. But like you say, Genevieve is. And very knowingly, like, she's like, last night's. After the meeting, she's just like, you know, I just know that I'm gonna fall in love with the first dog I see. And I'm just like, okay, well, let's just try to Find a happy medium here. So. And you know me, like, whatever. In all seriousness, I could not be going into this with somebody I feel more comfortable with than Genevieve, because I know that Genevieve is also there to do all of the training work that goes along with it. She has a little bit more experience. And so if we end up latching onto the first one, I'm not trying to say that like. Like, I'm. I'm dunking on Genevieve because I know that we will make the right decision together, but I'm excited about the process as much as I am excited about the future.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And also, I mean, this is the whole thing with relationships, and it's a good balance. Right. It's like, you know, and I would say, typically, if I'm thinking about the history of my relationships, maybe one of them, I was pretty similar to the person. But generally speaking, I seem to end up with people that have enough difference from me that it ends up being a good tension, you know, in that. Cause if, you know, if allowed to act unilaterally, I tend to do a lot of crazy stuff and make a lot of impulsive decisions. So it sounds like you guys are going to balance each other out pretty effectively. And also, I'm just really. I'm stoked for you guys to get this dog. I'm jealous, but stoked.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

And a little hungry, but mostly jealous, but also a little bit stoked and

[Andrew Walsh]

a little bit cooler.

[Luke Burbank]

Just a little bit cooler. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I ended yesterday's show by mentioning that last. Like, I needed to fix the. The tire on my riding lawnmower, which keeps going flat. And I kept pump. I bought a air compressor to pump it up. And what I realized finally was it's. I think it's the inner tube in the. I didn't think there were inner tubes in the front tires. And then I was like, well, what have I been attaching the air compressor to?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I was wondering about that, because I. I don't know. I don't know much about that, but I was trying to figure out how it worked, because they must make those. Maybe they do make. Make tubeless tires that seal against the thing, but I've never experienced.

[Luke Burbank]

And that's not what these are.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't.

[Luke Burbank]

It's the strangest thing, because, again, had this lawnmower for a few years, this one tire would seem to go flat kind of frequently. I think had a slow leak, and then I would be. I pump it up with a bicycle pump, and then I got this air. Little mini air compressor. And I was using that. And it sort of worked the first time. But then somehow in my mind, I decided for no reason that these tires didn't have an inner tube in them, even though I'd been hooking something up to the inner tube. I can't explain it to you other than I just lost my mind temporarily. And so anyway, yesterday I went on a mission to get this whole thing worked out. And so I was like, you know, I pulled the tire off and I was like, I'm going to have to, I guess, pull the inner tube out or I'm going to have to order either a new tire or a new inner tube and try to figure out who has this. And I thought, wait a second. I bet you my guys at Le Schwab might be able to handle this. So I called up and I was like, do you do riding lawnmower tires? I said, absolutely. Bring it on in. This was at like four o' clock yesterday afternoon when I was done.

[Andrew Walsh]

Four in the morning. It was four in the morning. And they had fresh popcorn for you?

[Luke Burbank]

They did. They had black coffee and fresh popcorn. Here's the guy there. He's like, we were waiting for you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

It was like right after I get done with all my real work. So it was like, like four, maybe it was even later. It might have been like 4:30. And I'm just calling like, yeah, bring it on down. And by like 5:15, I had a brand new inner tube all pumped up inside of the tire. The tire itself was fine. The inner tube was the problem. They had switched it all out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I ask you a question? You brought the whole wheel to them, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Or wait, took it off?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, you took off. Because I was like, I wouldn't even know how to do that.

[Luke Burbank]

That's pretty straightforward, actually. It just has what's called a cotter pin, which holds it in place.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not like the wheel. Yeah, no, that's what I was thinking. Like, I think I, I would know how to take the wheel off. I don't think I would know how to strip the, the, the tire and tube off of the wheel.

[Luke Burbank]

So that was part of it. I didn't really have a great tool for that. And of course, at a place like Le Schwab, that's all they do all day. They've got like a million easy ways to get like a tire off of the rim. I didn't really have that. I could have done. I remember being a kid and my dad being very like. Because I was always changing my Bike tires. So my inner tubes were always popping or whatever. Whatever. And my dad being like, don't. Don't dig that thing out with a screwdriver. There's two things that I was raised to be terrified of. One was digging the inner tube out with a screwdriver and therefore creating another hole. And the other was using a knife or a chisel of some kind to chop away the ice in a frozen over freezer.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Because you will puncture the freon tube. And guess what I did at my house in Bellingham, we had this. Remember how much you loved my rumpus room downstairs?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. With the ping pong table.

[Luke Burbank]

That rumpus area. When we moved it, bought that house. It had a vintage, really awesome vintage fridge in the little downstairs kind of bar area. But of course, because it was old, it always froze over. And one day I was like, let me get some of this ice out of here. And like, I just punctured the freon tube and you could hear it coming out. And I was like 11 years old and my dad was saying, do not, under any circumstances, use anything sharp to try to get the ice out of a frozen over fridge.

[Andrew Walsh]

I can feel your face getting hot. Like, dude, it was so.

[Luke Burbank]

And my dad's not like a. You know, know. He was not an overbearing dude. It wasn't even that. It was just like, I had forgot. I literally, in the intervening 35 years, I had forgotten the advice, which was don't chip that ice away. You unplug the freezer, you put down some towels, and you let that thing defrost.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do its thing. Also, never make a phone call from a hotel room. It'll.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Totally.

[Luke Burbank]

Thousand dollars a minute.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Precisely.

[Andrew Walsh]

Precise. Like, I remember.

[Luke Burbank]

But. So anyway, I. Yeah, I called them and they were like, yeah, bring it on down. And I drove it down. There they are. So have you ever taken your car in for something at Les Schwab or just heard its legend?

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, I had. I think I've been a Les Schwab customer one time. The last time I tried to go and I was a little bit disappointed. Like, they just couldn't. They basically said, like, we're too busy. We can't help you. And I was like, a little bit turned off by that. Yeah. The guy was not even really apologetic about it. He was kind of. It was a Saturday, you know, it was like a Saturday afternoon. But that's when I needed the help. And he was just kind of like, he looked again, these are really good people. And Remember they heard us like promoting them on the show one time and sent us a bunch of like, tchotchkes and assignments.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Andrew Walsh]

I forgot about this. So, like, I. I know they're the

[Luke Burbank]

new PETA, scraping the Internet for mentions.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I. I have a good feeling towards them. Unfortunately, the last. My last experience with them really left me feeling kind of cold because I really needed some help. And the guy, not only did he say he couldn't help, but he sort of acted like I was crazy for. For coming to a tire shop for help on a Saturday. And I was kinda like, well, all right. And so I went to a competitor. But generally speaking, I hear the.

[Luke Burbank]

What did you need to have fixed, if you don't mind me asking?

[Andrew Walsh]

I had like. It was like my lower back. It was just like. It hurts.

[Luke Burbank]

Your back?

[Andrew Walsh]

Your neck? Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Your other thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Go on. No, go on. And he looked and he just treated me like I was crazy and it really bummed me out. No, I think I had a slow leak tire and.

[Luke Burbank]

On your car?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it needed it. Yeah, it was.

[Luke Burbank]

That's really surprising to me because the thing I was going to say maybe is this could just be my experience. But like, I have personally never been to a Les Schwab when they weren't. When they didn't say, sure, we'll figure that out. Maybe. And maybe on the rare occasion it was something I needed to like, like leave the car there for a day and come back or something. But like, I've always been. Maybe again, I maybe haven't brought my stuff in on a busy Saturday. Or maybe I just got a different person at the front, you know, area. But like my ex. My personal experience with this. And by the way, this is a tire place for those that don't live in the Northwest. Although you've probably at this point piece that together and it's just kind of this weird. It's just like a weird very Northwest thing. Les Schwab was a real guy. He was this like, rancher, I think from somewhere who also did this tire thing. And of course his big promotion when I was growing up was free beef. Like, if you bought a set of tires, you'd get some free beef. Which was then and remains now in my mind the weirdest promotion ever. These seem like totally unrelated events. Let me. Honey, we'll get some free beef with those tires.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And even just like thinking about, like, oh, oh, is this the tire beef? You know what I mean? When you go into a tire shop, you think about the smell of Tires. You know what I mean? Exactly. So you don't really want to be. Oh, by the way, I brushed my teeth in the Maui Airport bathroom. And I thought of you because you would. Didn't you say you would never brush your teeth in an airport bathroom?

[Luke Burbank]

I think that would be. That would feel kind of yucky to me because I'm. I'm thinking about the invisible part, particles in the air.

[Andrew Walsh]

I will say that it wasn't the most. It wasn't the freshest bathroom I'd ever been in either.

[Luke Burbank]

And it was open my mouth when I'm in a bathroom.

[Andrew Walsh]

Breathe.

[Luke Burbank]

So I don't know how that's any worse.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was. It was the scenario that you would not like, though, because it was not like a sterile kind of experience. But I had just eaten the first Burger King I'd had in a long time because our flight was delayed. And when I met the Maui Airport, I always think about this Burger King that they have there. And so it's like my little treat. And I got myself a Whopper. And I was really. Actually, I was stuck between two Burbankian. It was a real Burbankian conundrum because

[Luke Burbank]

I love how much I'm able to squat in your head.

[Andrew Walsh]

But you don't. Like, you really are afraid of having bad breath. Right. So here I've eaten this burger with, like, onions and mushrooms. And so I really felt, like, the need to brush my teeth. But then as I'm taking my toothbrush out in this osifera or what's the word I'm looking for this bathroom that is not without its own, let's say, odiferous. Odiferous is, I think, the word I was looking for anyway.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, dude. By the way, we'll get back to Lesc Schwab in a moment. But Becca and I, when we were in Seattle for the opening day and visiting with my brother and just kind of hanging out a bit, we were. We were about to leave, actually. And so our car was parked in this sort of parking garage and we were both like, well, we're going to be on the road for a few hours. Let's quickly hit the bathroom. And this was this really fancy downtown office building that has this great kind of lobby with these different sort of like restaurants and coffee shops and lots of like, kind of almost co. Working space, but just places people could spread out on couches and work and actually felt very vibrant and made me happy. It felt like downtown Seattle was, like, kind of good. Things were happening there, but they have Gender neutral bathrooms or they have, I guess, single person use bathrooms. So there's like. We were like, which way are the bathrooms? And the people at the coffee shop that we didn't buy any coffee from were nice enough to go. They're around that corner and here's the code, which was sweet of them because, like, you know, we weren't, we weren't customers. We just need to use the bathroom. And so we get over. There's like maybe three of these bathroom doors that are all occupied at the time. And. And so we're waiting and waiting and then one of them opens up and, and, and Becca goes in and then finally another one opens up and this guy comes out and he just like holds the door for me to go in and I'm like, okay. And then he leaves and I go in and.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, no.

[Luke Burbank]

It was.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, no.

[Luke Burbank]

To say that it was eye watering in there, Andrew. I mean, there was not like a mess. It wasn't like there was a situation.

[Andrew Walsh]

It wasn't a painful job.

[Luke Burbank]

It was not a total paint job. Oh, who did the paint job? Now, for those listening and not watching, I was doing a, doing a sketch from. I think you should leave. But it was, it was eye curdling. And here's what got me about it. The fact that the guy held the door open for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Maybe he was just trying, he was trying to let as much air in as possible.

[Luke Burbank]

Our move, such a power move. I was like, I would never have the confidence after doing whatever happened in there to then open the door, direct eye contact the next person and hold the door. Like, please welcome to this chamber of secrets.

[Andrew Walsh]

I guess the longer he held it open for you, though, the more fresh air ventilated. But the fact that he locked eyes with you and then did one of those, like, you mess with me, you get the horn horns symbol.

[Luke Burbank]

He just, he looked totally and completely unapologetic about what I was about to find out in there. And I didn't even use it. And I literally was like, I just went back out and I just wait. And then someone else came.

[Andrew Walsh]

Really?

[Luke Burbank]

And then I was like, I didn't feel like explaining to them why I wasn't going to use that one because I didn't want. I don't know, I just felt like, they'll figure it out for themselves. They'll either be able to handle it or they won't. But I'm not going to go. Like, that one smells really bad. Don't go in there.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just was like, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

So I just Waited for the one Becca had been in, which she was like, dude, this one smelled bad. When I went over there, I was like, this is a. This is the Glade factory compared to the one I was in, lady.

[Andrew Walsh]

And it's funny how. I mean, nobody likes to go into a stinky bathroom, right. A stinky public bathroom. But there is something so personalized about a single use bathroom there. Not a single use bathroom.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, this was.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was the last time this will ever be used. I've turned some bathrooms into some single use bathroom.

[Luke Burbank]

They closed the entire U.S. bank building on 6.

[Andrew Walsh]

But there is something about kind of like, you know, nobody, you know, like, this is my stanky Yankee. You know, there's no welcome.

[Luke Burbank]

Welcome to my world using. Like, I've. I've told this story a million times. But, like, when I was. One time, for some reason, I was in the. I entered the men's bathroom at the Pittsburgh airport, and I just wanted to, like, slide a business card under all the stalls that just said, see a doctor.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But I couldn't tell you who exactly it was in that men's bathroom of the Pittsburgh Airport. Airport. It was a little bit anonymized. But when it's a bathroom that only one person has been using and you know, they've also been in there for a good while because you've been waiting and then they just open the door. They just hold it for you, and they just look like it's just any other. Any other Friday at one in the afternoon. It was. It was quite something.

[Andrew Walsh]

Back to Le Schwab in a moment. But do you know what a Pittsburgh toilet is, by the way? Have we talked about this on the show?

[Luke Burbank]

We've talked about this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, good. I just wanted to make sure the fact that that was in Pittsburgh.

[Luke Burbank]

This was not. This was not the Pittsburgh toilet is. Which. Which is the basement toilet that doesn't have any walls protecting it. Right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Pittsburgh toilet.

[Andrew Walsh]

Folks can just Google it. But yeah, there's like this sort of like, Midwest phenomenon of just like. But specifically, I guess, in that region of a thing called a Pittsburgh toilet, which is you might just be in somebody's basement. Like an unfinished basement. Right. Like a basement basement. And somebody has just decided to install a toilet maybe in the corner of the room, maybe in the center of the room, with just like a loose roll of toilet paper sitting next to it and no sink in sight.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, any port in the storm. I grew up one of seven kids in a rental.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

That had one bathroom.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I would. I Could have taken a Pittsburgh toilet. No problem. I think I turned. I think I turned our big, like, we had those big kind of cement, like, wash basin kind of next to the laundry in the basement. I think I turned that into a picture urinal a few times.

[Andrew Walsh]

I believe that this is. I think this house is the first time these. And I have had two bathrooms. And I actually just had this thought. I think it was a relationship, didn't it? I. I was in the kitchen. I had to go to the bathroom so bad, and Genevieve was taking a shower, and I was like, oh, man, it's been so long. It's been years now since I've had to think, like, hurry up. Get out of there. Get out of there. The clock is ticking. It was a moment of appreciating the situation.

[Luke Burbank]

Becca's place, which is lovely, but it has one bathroom, and it only comes up, like, every few. Like, it would come up once every four months, where it'd just be like, we both have to go to the bathroom at the same time, or she's doing her makeup in there or something, and I'm, like, doing a jig outside, and. And it's like, yeah, I've been. I've been fortunate that in my adult life, generally speaking, I've had, you know, lived in homes where there was a couple of bathrooms, but again, a Pittsburgh toilet. Look, if you. When you got to go, you got to go. I would take it, but. So.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Anyway, all. All I want to say about Les Schwab, and again, you had your experience with it, but, like, I freaking love that place now, by the way, do I want to know the politics of anyone associated with. With Les Schwab from Les Schwab down the line? Absolutely not. But when I go in there, it's like. It's just a flurry of activity. It's just so. It's. The people at the front are so nice. There is the free popcorn that you talked about. It's also just, like, 30 dudes running around in their Les Schwab uniforms that are all covered in, like, tire dirt. There's that tire smell that you're talking about that I kind of love for some reason.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, and they do simple repairs for free. You know, I was just talking badly about my last experience there, but my experience before that was, like, I took a tire there that had a slow leak, and they took care of it and just for free and then sent me on my way.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. I was wondering if they were going to do that on my lawnmower tire they charged me $30. But now there's a lifetime warranty on that tire.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow.

[Luke Burbank]

So if there's a problem with that tire, I can just bring it back. And it was so much easier than me trying to. To like, pull it out, go find the proper inner tube or check that inner tube for leaks and then get a rubber repair kit and that whole thing. So just the fact that I was able to breeze in there. The, like I said, the woman who helped me out initially was, like, so nice. I'd also left this, like, crummy. She was a very put together kind of woman in her 20s. And I had, like, put the lawnmower tire on the counter. I don't know why I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that with a car tire tire. But it was just kind of like, I called about this. Can you guys fix this? And she was like, sure. And she's like typing all the stuff into the whatever, the computer system. And then she's like, okay. I go, well, should I come back tomorrow? She goes, no, probably like 45 minutes something. I go, okay, I'm gonna run some errands and then come back. She goes, great, awesome. And then I just, like, walk away. And then I realize this crummy tire with, like, dirt cake did it and stuff. I mean, I've been, like, tooling around my yard in this with this thing for three years. I come back and I go, do you want me to put this on the ground or something? She goes, yeah, if you wouldn't mind, that would be awesome. Like, pick up my gross tire and I place it by the door for one of the Le Schwab dudes to come grab. But yeah, I got it all fixed up. It's back on the mower. I'm trying to wait for the perfect time. It's killing me to not mow the lawn right now. But the thing is, everybody's coming over on Sunday. So the perfect time to mow the lawn is Saturday. Because I know that if I mow it today, it's going to be grown out. It will be a little bit shaggy by Sunday. I don't want to be shaggy at all. So I'm having to work on other projects and try to have a little bit of self restraint. Even though now I got this bitching new wheel on there, I should be in good shape.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm getting. I already told you this. But to reiterate, I'm getting kind of anxious about my situation because our garage right now has just been taken over by all of these workers and the tools out there and the machines and just all kinds of stuff. And I don't know that I can last past Saturday without mowing the lawn. So I'm going to have to have

[Luke Burbank]

get into that lawnmower.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, there will be. I, I, I, I'm getting to that lawnmower. I don't know exactly how, but that's going to be the hardest part of the job, I think. But I also might just need to tell them ahead of time, like, I'm going to be clearing a path one way or the other. So you might want to, if you have anything that you want to move out of here, move out. Move it out of here. But, but by the way, the project is going pretty. I'm hoping to see some more progress by the end of this week here in the basement here. This is going, this is taking years.

[Luke Burbank]

This is like, man, big life changes there. And the Walsh has hold.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I think it's the has Walsh household. I just, if you're around Genevieve, I would go with that. And I would say this. If you're sending us a Christmas brag rag, do not send it to Mr. And Mrs. Andrew Walsh, because I had a former boss do that one time and that person is no longer too late allowed on the west Coast.

[Luke Burbank]

But has hole does kind of work, though, is the problem.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you know, I'm sorry, I talked over you. The Hashold. Yeah. Oh, the Walsh has hold. You're right. Instead of the Walsh has household. But, but anyway, yeah, this is a

[Luke Burbank]

lot going on for you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it is. And that's another reason I was kind of like, do we want to raise a dog amongst this chaos in a construction zone? Don't we want. No, but we can't wait for that because this might be a project that lasts the rest of our lives. I'm now learning. But sorry, I'm not trying to.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't mean to laugh at your pain.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, it's good. I didn't need a kitchenette.

[Luke Burbank]

We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle.

[Andrew Walsh]

On your mark. On your mark. Get set, get set now. Ready, ready, Go. Everybody.

[Luke Burbank]

Razzle dazzle. All right, it's time for some dazzling donors. These folks are donating some dough each month, and it is, it's vital to the existence of this program. This is 100% listener supported podcasting, supported by listeners like Jamie Julian, who's in Columbia, Maryland. Jamie is clarifying that it's Jamie, not Jaime, which Jamie apparently gets a lot.

[Andrew Walsh]

People will say Jaime probably because of the spelling, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe so, yeah. Jamie says, don't you ever get tired of hearing how great you are and how much we love you? Yeah, I wouldn't say tired of it. I would say it is humbling and also something that I'm trying to stay present with. I. I'm not to be a cornball, but it is an interesting thing about these dazzling donor messages, which are these folks are donating a significant amount of money to the show each year and then are also writing a little message and then are also often using that message to say nice things about us and John and the show and the tens. And it's very, very sweet, Jamie.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I get it a lot in my private life though, too. That's the difference.

[Luke Burbank]

That's why you're burned out on this.

[Andrew Walsh]

I get a lot of it through the dazzling donors in a professional way. But also everybody I know personally is always sort of fawning all over me. And you've experienced that. You've done it yourself. And so for me, it's just kind of like having a small break from that is. Is nice and I appreciate it.

[Luke Burbank]

For me, this is water in the desert. These kinds of compliments from Jamie.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Jamie says I have to assume it wears on you at times. So today I'm flipping the script. Let me tell you about what an elite level 10 I am. I love this, Jamie.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. This is great.

[Luke Burbank]

In mid-2022, I feel like this should be have the Knight Rider music under it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. Do you want me to call that up? Let's see here.

[Luke Burbank]

In 1979, Michael Knight was involved in an accident.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

And I actually have. I have the theme right here. And I probably have like a rights free one too. Do we want to meet? There we go.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is this it? It's an NBC classic.

[Luke Burbank]

There we go.

[Andrew Walsh]

Perfect.

[Luke Burbank]

In mid-2022, trapped at home during the pandemic, I decided to start TBTL from episode number one.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now you're competing with the actual.

[Luke Burbank]

The actual plot line of the show, which was that I think for some reason. Why did they. Let's see here. Let's just do this.

[Andrew Walsh]

I watched the pilot recently and it does not make sense.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, right. Because it's like basically he just wakes

[Andrew Walsh]

up in this rich guy's house who decides that he's gonna.

[Luke Burbank]

But this is a better one. We're looping this, baby. This is happening because they have decided to start.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, go ahead, sir.

[Luke Burbank]

I decided to start TBTL from episode number one. Well, this one has the talking.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's why I thought you were going back. I thought you wanted to hear.

[Luke Burbank]

The origin does not exist.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sorry, Jamie.

[Luke Burbank]

Now we're in Knight Rider world. The song actually kind of slaps, though, pretty good. Like, it's got a little bit of that, like, you know, kind of early elect. Like, 80s, kind of like, I guess. Would you call it electro? Remember that song Rocket? Was that a Herbie Hancock song?

[Andrew Walsh]

Hancock did have a very famous song.

[Luke Burbank]

And it. And I remember the video for rock. It was all of these, like, robotic little kind of, like, high. Like. What do you call it? Like, like, kind of robotic movements of things that were on, like a. Like a piston. Different kinds of pistons. And a. Was like, I think, like, legs and arms.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I'm looking at it now. I don't remember this. Oh, yeah, of course. This. The second you hear this music. I'd never seen this video before, though. This is weird.

[Luke Burbank]

Did I describe it at all?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. It's like a bunch of. Some guy who's got a whole bunch of. He's making mannequins come to life, and they're very unsettling. I understand why this would stick in your head. You seem like a sensitive young man.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a little more David Cronenberg than I remember.

[Andrew Walsh]

It is creepy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Can we use this for Jamie's message?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

In mid-2022, trapped at home during the pandemic, I started building mannequins. No. I decided to start TBTL from episode number one. I'd only jumped in at episode 2969 back in August of 2019. So I had some work to do.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

Jamie is our friend who is also a little. Right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

This is our friend who's. Who's a fan of the Tony Kornheiser program. So I had some work. Since then, I've listened to every episode in a Collector series through my starting point, compressing almost 11 years of this nonsense into three and a half. That is not casual fandom. That's commitment to a mental institution. Jamie, if we get a 5150, please can we Baker, act our friend Jamie, who we love?

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow.

[Luke Burbank]

Jamie.

[Andrew Walsh]

I really.

[Luke Burbank]

So that would just mean so many hours of TBTL every day to get there. Golly. I mean, I'm gonna assume that this was. This is something that. That. That Jamie was enjoying or at least tolerating, because that is a, you know, an hour of this every day. Is a lot, but that'd have to be, you know, I don't know the exact math. We're talking probably four or five hours a day.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, the problem that I see here is I'm assuming the next paragraph is going to be like, yeah, it really was better when Jen was on the show. Is that what Jamie goes on to say?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, Andrew, if you want to take your headphones off 20 to 40 seconds,

[Andrew Walsh]

I'll listen to this.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, just swell, swell. The Herbie Hancock.

[Andrew Walsh]

A lot of record scratching here.

[Luke Burbank]

And make no mistake, it felt like work some days, but it was worth it. I got so much joy from experiencing the genesis of all the jokes. There are certain moments I will never forget forget, for example, my awe at hearing the acapella group sing the TBTL intro or guffawing when Andrew did the marsupial gurgle in conversation before it became the drop we all know and love. This is really interesting stuff, Jamie. And, and also, like what this, this is like the ultimate argument for doing this project, which I know a few other people have as well, which is like they start listening to the show at some point and then they're kind of want to like, know the beginning of it, so they go back, back. But that's the fun part is if you kind of know the. I'm not going to say it's the end of the story, but at least the middle part of the story, then listening along and knowing when something happens, you're like, oh shit, this is going to become lore.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. Especially if you noticed it in conversation. Because a quick recap on how that worked was you asked me a question and I think I have some tape of this here if we're interested. You had asked me a question just, you know, in conversation on the show on some random day. And as I tried to think about it, I sort of made this weird sound. And then the next day or I think after that show posted, some listener pointed out to you, like, what is that weird sound Andrew made when he was trying to think of his next word? And so you isolated it and then you mixed it into a bunch of songs or whatever. And I had just listened to that recently. So what I find interesting is Jamie didn't even necessarily notice it the next day when you had already sort of isolated it, but might have just been listening and just heard me go in conversation, which would be unsettling.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. That that comes up later in the message that this has been slightly unsettling for Jamie. The project, by my Math, that's roughly 848TBTL Vintage episodes per year on top of keeping up with the current shows. Okay, so there's 300 days in a year. So let's round up and say this is 900, well, 365 days. Days in a year. So like that's basically, let's just call it what, maybe three extra episodes a day plus the regular day. The regular days episode. Now that's assuming that Jamie was on a five day schedule. She could be on a seven day schedule. Slightly spread the burden. Yeah, but that's a lot of TBTL every day. Jamie says. I think we can all agree this is a stunning accomplishment.

[Andrew Walsh]

I agree.

[Luke Burbank]

Without a doubt, Jamie, without a doubt. Now that the ride is over, I'm weirdly proud and slightly unmoored, but mostly proud to keep on potting. That's from Jamie, not Jaime in Columbia, Maryland. Wow, that's incredible.

[Andrew Walsh]

Not only like so all jokes and sort of kidding on the square aside about like just what mainlining that much TBTL and that much of a time machine through a, you know, two and three and a half year period does to one, good or bad. You've certainly gotten to a rhythm of it. And I wonder what happened. When you say you feel unmoored, maybe that's just because you've just put way too much nonsense in your head. But also because now you don't have that backlog. And I would mean, I would say I'm not trying to be self aggrandizing here. I would say that about anything you've gotten in the habit of when suddenly there's no more Runway, there's no more sidewalk where you've shell silversteined yourself. I wonder if you've gone back. Have you gone back to. Are you going back to Kornheiser number one? You know what I mean? Like, what are you doing with all your time? Maybe you're just listening to birds and taking long walks and taking deep breaths. I would recommend it. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

I would not recommend touching grass. I would not recommend any of that kind of stuff. Well, Jamie, thank you so much for being such a friend of the show over the years and being such a completist and being so fun and also for supporting us and for I, if I remember right, creating at least a mild awareness on the corn in the Kornheiser universe about us. You know, like, I don't think it, I don't know if it got to the Tony level. Maybe there was like, maybe he read something from Jamie. There was definitely like, I, because I, because I'M a Kornheiser fan and. And I remember Jamie and, you know, sending us some messages that indicated that. That there was little, small ways that TBTL was kind of was making some small and very brief and quick appearances in the Kornheiser universe in one way

[Andrew Walsh]

or another, because of my friend Gretchen, who was a TBTL listener. Her name was Gretchen Wu. And she kind of became a side character. I mean, like, as a call in person, side character on that show. And then I think maybe that's how James. Then maybe when I dropped Gretchen's name on tbtl, maybe Jamie, something clicked for Jamie or something I can't quite recall. I don't. Yeah, one of them, though, did send a note into Kornheiser, and I think that he might have uttered the name of TBTL at one point.

[Luke Burbank]

I know he read something. I have a memory of hearing tape of him reading something. And in his, I would say, cornheisean way, my memory is. He sounded annoyed. But that's good. That's what we turn to Tony for. So thank you, Jamie. We really do appreciate you. Maestro, on your mark.

[Andrew Walsh]

Get set, get set now. Ready, ready, ready.

[Luke Burbank]

Go.

[Andrew Walsh]

Everybody rattle.

[Luke Burbank]

My goodness gracious. It's our pal Max McDaniel in Maple Leaf in Seattle.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, Max.

[Luke Burbank]

Home of the Wedgwood Broiler. I mean, technically, that's Wedgwood, but Maple Leaf and Wedgwood are kind of. Did you see that story in the Times that the Wedgwood Broiler owner is thinking about selling it?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I read something like a long time, like a half a year ago or something about how that whole area might be. Be kind of impacted by a new grocery store might be torn down. That's something different.

[Luke Burbank]

You mean the square. The actual location of the wedge would be.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I thought I had. It's been my understanding for a while now that there is a bit of a time stamp or not a timestamp, but, you know, like an expiration date on that. But are you talking about something. Yeah, exactly. That's still there. But are you. Are you talking about something more recent than that? Like, recent news?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it sounded like this was from, like a week or two ago, and it sounded like, like my reading of it. And also maybe I was kind of breezing the article, so maybe I missed that important point. But, like, it didn't sound like Wedgwood Broiler is closing because the, you know, block is being raised. It was like the guy who owns it who went to Nathan Hale, by the way, shout out to my alma mater and was like a dishwasher there, which is such a great story.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, he work.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, he worked there basically, like after school or in college or whatever, and then worked his way up to being the owner of the. It has just been doing it forever and it's a, you know, it's a hectic schedule and he and his wife kind of want to, like, enjoy their, you know, their 60s or whatever and they've got other things going on. So it wasn't. It didn't. I didn't read it to be. It's going away. It's 100% going away. But I just thought anything that endangers that place would bum me out because that place is. I love that place. Anyway, that's where Max McDaniel is, generally speaking. Here's what he says. I received the donor message request email while I was abroad on a work trip to Hyderabad, India. So I took the opportunity to reflect on how important it was to have TBTL as a daily touch point, keeping me rooted to life back home amidst all of the wildness. That was my first experience in South Asia. My goodness. I can only imagine. Max. I have yet to. For all my traveling, I have yet to visit that part of the world. And I would really love to. But the one thing I've heard from anybody who's visited, visited, it's that it's intense. Just the volume of folks depending on the time of year, the temperature, just the whole thing, it sounds like, is a pretty intense experience. Being almost 12 hours ahead of Pacific Standard Time, I'd wake up around 3am and have the day's new episode to accompany me during the delirium of jet lag. The TBTL community has continued to shine brightly over the past two years of independence, and I'm so thankful, thankful, thankful we're able to collectively come together and support both the show and each other. I'll close with a reminder to take care and be kind to one another. What we're doing is so important, Max. Now, Max has, I think, keyed in on something. Andrew. People are. Because we have that drop. Is that Maria Bamford? Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, it is.

[Luke Burbank]

It's so funny. Maria Bamford doing an impression of like

[Andrew Walsh]

her mother of her mom and that we can't play. I think maybe one time we played the whole thing that it comes from. It is. It is the punchline of one of the funniest bits that is really not super TBTL appropriate because it gets into some pretty dark material. But yeah, she ends it by saying, have a Good show, sweetie. What you do is so important.

[Luke Burbank]

And so people love to say that to us about, hey, the show is so important. But I think Max is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Really.

[Luke Burbank]

Has really done with what we're doing is so important. I mean, without Max, without Jaime, without all, you know, everybody who listens to the show and is able to donate to the show and jumps on the slack without. This is a project. Without our friend John Sklaroff. This is a project that involves all of us. And the listeners are equally important to this because without the listeners and without the donors, this doesn't exist. So maybe we take what you do is so important and maybe we swap in what we're doing is so important because this really is a great group effort.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, absolutely. And I like the. Max and Jamie both sort of like, kind of acknowledge the fact that. Let's celebrate the listeners a little bit more than the. Than the bozos behind the mics.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, let's not. Let's not not celebrate the bozos. Okay, I've eate a little, but because you're getting all this in positive feedback in your private life. But again, I kind of need this. Let's also celebrate.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm just calling people

[Luke Burbank]

anyway. Thanks, Max. We appreciate it.

[Andrew Walsh]

You. Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't imagine that this name would mean a whole ton to you, Andrew, just because of when you got to Seattle, but a guy named John Hinterberger has passed away. He was a. A restaurant critic for the Seattle Times for many years, but he was also just kind of like a sort of Seattle institution for my whole growing up years. I remember, you know, this was back when, I mean, the thing about him passing, I think he was 92 years old. So he, you know, lived a pretty amazing and long life. But this is almost a story for me about the change in the media landscape. Like the fact that as a 12 year old, you know, for instance, this remembrance was written by Ton Vinh, by the way, Than Vinh, phenomenal writer at the Seattle Times. Just does really great food writing. But I doubt. And ton. I say this with peace and love. I doubt that a lot of 12 year olds in Seattle know about Ton Vin. Whereas if you were a 12 year old like I was in Seattle in, in 1987, you knew John Hinterberger. Like, you knew that the restaurant review guy for the Seattle Times, he was a. He was a celebrity. There was a thing called Hinterberger's Alley Deli when you went to the Bite of Seattle. And these were all restaurants that he had recommended that were now serving their food at the Bite of Seattle. Like, it was just a. In reading about his life, which was very interesting, and his time, you know, in the media, it was just making me very nostalgic for. For the 1980s and a little bit the 1990s in Seattle when the media landscape was so different, when. When again, being. Being. Being the guy who wrote restaurant reviews really made you a somebody. He used to do this, like, big kind of chili festival that everybody came to. That was a whole thing. And so, yeah, if. Again, if you're. If you're somebody listening who's about my age and you grew up in Seattle, and also you were the kind of weird kid who was reading the Seattle Times in the back of the school. It's. It's a sad day to know that John Hinterberger has passed away, but also, what a life he was. He grew up in Connecticut. He was a. He wasn't actually a high school graduate. Then he joined the army, and then he came back, and then I went to. He went to college, and I think in Connecticut, he came out to the. To the Seattle area to go to the University of Washington acting program, the graduate program, which I think is called the PATP program, the Professional Actors Training program. When I was an undergrad at the UW for a while, I was doing drama, and we really looked up to those grad students because they taught all of our classes, and they were very cool. But one of the things about. So he. He starts. This guy, John Hinterberger, he's. He's wants to become an actor, but he needs to make some money. And so he goes. He starts writing like, he starts writing for the Seattle Times, I think the police blotter or something. Which is also funny that there was a time where if you were somebody who wanted to make it in certain industry, but you needed to make some money, you need a little. A little rent money. You could go be the police blotter writer at the Seattle Times. Like, that was their job.

[Andrew Walsh]

They're not really a police blotter anymore. Like, first of all, it's just kind of like. I feel like they just put it on the front page now because it's like clickbait. But. Yeah. I don't even know. Like, is there a police blotter? Maybe some papers have it, but it doesn't come across my transom all that often.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And I used to love reading the, like, police beat in the Strangers.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it was written in kind of a stark, kind of just like, just Fax, ma' am kind of way. Often.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, let's see. To pay the bills, he got a job at the Seattle Times as a police reporter in 1962, when the Times lost one of its arts critics. By the way, the arts critics, Andrew, who left was Tom Robbins. The Even Cowgirls get the Blues guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, they.

[Luke Burbank]

They wanted John Hinterberger to be the theater writer because he had this graduate degree in theater. He did not like that. That he doesn't. He didn't really trust critics. He thought they were wrong a lot of the time. So he wanted to. Basically, he felt like being for him, the arch critic was just like, he wasn't doing anything important. So he. And this was basically when the Vietnam War was going on and there was all these protests in the streets. So he asked to. He asked if they would send him to Vietnam, and they said no, like, he wanted to go to Vietnam as a reporter. So he basically just, like, stopped being the arts critic. And he got a weekly column called Night Beat, which ran every Saturday night. And he would just wander Seattle on his motorcycle looking for stories. This is. I'm reading from Ton's piece here, composing Damon Runyon esque accounts of the city's characters and nightlife. His first Nightbeat column was about a bloody stabber. Bloody stabbing at a tavern downtown. Like, what a freaking. I mean, not that it's cool that people got stabbed, but what a cool column. Nightbeat. This guy's an X Green Beret, and he's just, like, cruising around Seattle on his motorcycle, just finding out what's really going on in the big bad city.

[Andrew Walsh]

What was the movie that came out? I can timestamp it around 2014, 2015, because I know I was in LA when it came out, and it was kind of a big deal. Was it Nightcrawler or Nightcrawler?

[Luke Burbank]

That's the movie that I will go to my grave thinking I slightly inspired.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've told you this before, just for the record, I've never seen it, and I'm blanking on. Oh, Jake Gyllenhaal. And he drives around. Is it a motorcycle or a car? Car is. And he's somewhere between journalist and he's kind of a night journalist. Like this. But he's also, like, trying to get, like, the. The sauciest crimes. Right? Or the.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, no, he's not. He's not. He's one of these guys called Nightcrawlers, which I did a whole profile of in LA years before this movie, where I called them Nightcrawlers. They are dudes, generally, who just drive around with a police scanner and a camera because most, Most, you know, TV stations aren't staffing a camera guy at 3 in the morning. And if there's a fire or a police incident, they'll show up, they'll shoot it, and then they'll sell the footage to the TV station. They have the footage and, and, and, and the night. The guy that I profiled, this. This dude turned out to later be the guy setting the fires, which I didn't know. I did not know at the time. Like, I was riding around with this guy in his 20s. He was the subject of my piece.

[Andrew Walsh]

So he makes money if he gets good coverage of the fires. So he's setting the fires and then taking photos of.

[Luke Burbank]

I think in this guy's case, it was more of a compulsion than trying to, like, you know, vertically integrate his business model. But, but, but, yeah, eventually, like years later or something, a couple years later, it came out that this, the specific dude I was riding around with gets arrested for lighting fires. And, and again, I haven't seen Nightcrawler, but I think there's something where basically Jake Gyllenhaal's character goes off the rails in a somewhat similar fashion. I don't know if it's arson or, or if it's committing other crimes, but.

[Andrew Walsh]

So searching out mayhem with video nightcrawlers. This is tonight.

[Luke Burbank]

While you're probably fast asleep, a motley crew armed with video cameras and police radios prowls the Los Angeles.

[Andrew Walsh]

Get ready for whisper, Luke. In 2005, you're dropping motley Crue into your leads. Years later, you will host a show called Livewire, a song by Motley Cruel.

[Luke Burbank]

You don't think it's all connected? These stringers, as they're called, are looking for car crashes, fires, and other mayhem in the hopes of selling the footage to TV news stations. For them, each siren wail could be the sound of their next windfall. But as NPR's Luke Burbank reports, stringing can also be a dangerous way to make a living. It's a late Tuesday night in Compton. Why do I always whisper? And Brent Sporn is cruising down Long Beach Boulevard. This is the guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Brent. Sport, your voice hasn't changed. I didn't know you were doing NPR stories. Pre pubescent. This is. Wow. Your voice is many octaves higher. I'm excited.

[Luke Burbank]

And so weird.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't think it's weird. I don't think it's weird. I don't think it Sounds like a

[Luke Burbank]

normal person in the story.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I shouldn't, I shouldn't say that because it just is going to get in your head more, I don't think. I don't think you sound weird at all. I think it's a fine read. You just sound so different.

[Luke Burbank]

In his silver Chevy Tahoe, Compton is a small, crime plagued city that borders southern Los Angeles. And at the moment this street is actually pretty quiet. But trouble is coming from the south. A suspect in Orange county is racing through residential neighborhoods at over 100 miles an hour, hoping to outrun the police. Sporn listens to the chase unfold on one of the nine police and fire radio videos he's had installed in his suv. Curiously, it's not the driver's disregard for human life that's got his attention.

[Andrew Walsh]

I didn't even know a Science could go 100 miles an hour. That's what I was about to say. Did you know that? I mean, did you remember that that line was coming? No, because you know, like that was the whole thing. I had a red Scion in LA and Genevieve hated it. And this whole time I'm thinking like, yeah, go Red Scions. But I'm also thinking like red Scion in a high speed chase. And then this guy says, I didn't even know a Scion could go this way.

[Luke Burbank]

Think about how tired those hamsters are.

[Andrew Walsh]

I cannot believe that that is what he said. Sorry, I'm only, only I find it this funny because I literally was thinking, I was sitting there thinking like the Scion is going that fast. Anyway, I hope that didn't embarrass you. I love finding that. That's good.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, thanks. Thanks for digging that up. Yeah, I wish I could go back. I'm gonna ask NPR if I can go back and re record the video for. Can we get Leo Delagula to remix please, all of these, if we could.

[Andrew Walsh]

The reason I got on this though is because you were saying that Johnn Berger was sort of. He was not a Nightcrawler. To be clear, I'm the one who sort of conflated that.

[Luke Burbank]

No, but, but, but was like, you know, I'm sure these, I'm sure these stories were very pulpy and very fascinating. To just have this person who's. The column is Nightbeat now. He eventually became one of the restaurant critics. Critics for the paper. And then I think the obviously the restaurant critic for not only the paper, but kind of like the city when I was growing up. And this is the thing that jumped out at Me, because I had actually forgotten about this. Although this was a different story that I had done a TV story about teriyaki. You know, what's called sort of Seattle Teriyaki was. It's kind of credited. You know, this guy Toshi is credited with. Toshi Kasahara is credited with kind of inventing this in Seattle. Seattle. He was a guy who had come over from Japan, and he had this little restaurant, and he was trying to figure out how to, you know, make the restaurant work and make a living. And he started doing this teriyaki thing. And. And. And it's sort of like, invented here in Seattle, that particular style. And when I went and was talking to Toshi for the TV story a couple years ago, he was telling me about this. He was like, yeah, you know, I was doing this thing, and it was kind of okay, but then it was going okay, but not great. And then this guy jumped. John Hinterberger came to the teriyaki place and wrote about how amazing it was. And the next day, there was a line down the block. And he really credited this review from John Hinterberger as putting his little restaurant, his little lunch spot on the menu. And. And. And. And therefore, maybe, you know, helping popularize this whole movement, and that's in this ton Vinh piece. One of the things that was kind of cool about this John Hinterberger guy. Guy's approach to food writing was he didn't just go to white tablecloth restaurants. He just went anywhere where there was good food that he was hearing about, whether it was a lunch spot, whether it was a, you know, being served out of the back of a truck or whatever. And, you know, I think that was, like, a pretty cool element of his career. The other thing that I. I just read at the end that I just loved, and it's, you know, it's just a footnote on his life. But by the way, he also had a Talk show on King 1090am for a while in the 90s, which I. I don't know how I missed that, because it would have been the kind of thing that I loved. But maybe I just didn't listen to King 1090 during his few years that he was doing it, but I bet you that would have been a pretty fun show. What I really liked is at the end of the piece, it says, Hinterberger is survived by his daughters, Katie, Julie Wheatley and Holly lynch, as well as seven grandchildren. In lieu of flowers, the family encouraged friends and fans to donate to one of Hinterberger's three Favorite charities Northwest Harvest, Peace Trees, Vietnamese, Vietnam and kuow.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh nice.

[Luke Burbank]

So wait, did he what a men

[Andrew Walsh]

doing stuff for KoW it seems like that would be the type of thing where later on in your career or as maybe you're shifting things or maybe winding down a little bit I could see him doing you know like check ins on kow.

[Luke Burbank]

I have a feeling he must have been on a lot you know during his. Particularly during his years of. Of being the food writer for the Times. I don't specifically remember like booking him. I think the thing was I think he suffered a stroke in the 90s and that's when he stopped doing his radio show and that was before I graduated high school. So my time of like working at KUOW I think would have been a little bit after the his most sort of prolific time he was still doing stuff. But yeah, I'm sure he was on there a lot and I just love that his family, I mean if. If where they're asking you to donate in his honor is any measure of the person.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah right.

[Luke Burbank]

Northwest Harvest, Peace Trees, Vietnam and Kuow. I mean that is. That just tells you all you need to know about this dude.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's pretty cool. I'm really interested in that nightbe thing. It almost reminds me of things that the Stranger used to do, you know like who is the woman who said drunk people are Meta who I loved when I. Kelly O. Kelly O. And I I didn't even realize that she. That was the person behind that drop. Although when I came to Seattle and started reading this Stranger so meta I love loved Kelly O's columns of just like going around the nightlife of usually Capitol Hill or somewhere in Seattle and just like interviewing a drunk person on a Saturday night. Like I love that kind of stuff and like you know I don't want to bemoan the state of media too much. I think things have just shifted and there are different outlets and you know you have exciting things like defector and Midwest excellence and other. You know what I mean? Like there are. There are still a lot of interesting things going on but there are. It's hard not to feel nostalgic for a time when stuff like that was happening with like real budgets behind. Did you read by the way, this is just slipping into sadness but did you read that piece in the Washingtonian about. It was basically a profile of the guy who was hired to basically oversee the last three years of the Washington Post. What is his name? Will Lewis, I think think.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I don't. I didn't read that piece but I've been hearing about him a little bit and kind of the pro, the, if you can call it that, the project of, of trying to like you know, gut the Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Originally. Yeah, I mean he was hired to save the Washington Post but clearly didn't and even the article does make a good point that like the huge, the huge loss of readership really came from two acts by Bezos himself. But basically that this guy at a certain point kind of got wrapped up in a scandal that was, that was connected to his old back in Britain somewhere. And because of that he basically lost the trust of the staff and then he retreated into himself and just like he was getting paid a lot of money to basically be a shadow figure that nobody ever saw.

[Luke Burbank]

Was he part of that whole like illegal phone tapping thing in the uk?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. Or, or if it wasn't the phone tapping, maybe his part had to do with like some sort of hacking. But basically yeah, getting access to in part of the lawsuit from I think a member of the Royal family and stuff. And so yeah, so he was, he was part of the team that was supposed to clean that up as well. And the accusations is that he threw like kind of like lower level people under the bus just to kind of get you know, the heads of that operation to kind of save their heads. But anyway, the whole thing was just like it's, you're reading about this august desire to use such a cliche term there but just like this, I mean it's the goddamn Washington Post, you know what I mean? Like, and to hear about how quickly

[Luke Burbank]

they just wait for the President to resign.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And then because of another president and a boot licking multi billionaire is basically now just like just flushing it down the toilet as just like you can just uncreate something so quickly and it is so you know, the reason the media today isn't what the media used to be is not just because of billions acting irresponsibly. There's a lot of things but just I was on vacation reading that piece and just like reading, yeah, I read, did a lot of light news reading over my coffee in Kihei, but that one just like it really stuck with me.

[Luke Burbank]

Well yeah, because if you look at the New York Times, the New York Times is you know, thriving as far as I'm aware. You know, they did something very, very smart which is that they identified early that like they needed to have a way stronger digital presence and that they needed to be a multimedia organ, etc. And they got over, they needed A paywall. And they did it. And the Washington Post, all accounts, I mean, you actually read the piece more recently than I did, so you might know more about this. But my sense is before Bezos bought them, they were a going concern. I mean, one, they were seen as a check on the power of the government because they invested a lot of money in their reporting and that was valuable to people who, who want the federal, the government to be on notice. So you might say that's advocacy journalism, but they had a sort of an identity in the minds of the readers and they were up against all of the headwinds that any media organization is up against right now. But it was working. And then you come in and then you gut the editorial staff, you close down a bunch of the bureaus, you neuter the entire paper at a time when in going into Trump's second term, they could have really positioned themselves as a truth telling check on his power. And instead they're not. And then it's like, well, if they're not that, what are they? So you just kind of ruined this thing for no reason and it's just going to continue to wither.

[Andrew Walsh]

For me, one of the interesting data points in this piece that I read. Sorry that I've sort of just steered into this conversation that we were not having. But I want you to know, as I said this up, that I'm interested in this data point. Intellectually, it does sadden me to a degree. But as I navigate this, this current world of what I feel like is like pretty evil or at the very least irresponsible capitalism, you know, and like what we're seeing, the consolidation of power and money and in the hands of the few and what they're doing to the rest of us. And I'm just going to, just not going to acknowledge the music I'm going to power through it is my ongoing attempts to like, sort of live in a way that at least I feel like even if, if, even if withholding my purchasing power from an organization that I don't agree with really is just a drop in the bucket and doesn't have any actual impact on that organization that is dropping Amazon prime and not shopping with them anymore, I know that's not actually doing anything to Amazon. It's just like my single legal resignation from that is not really going to move the needle at all. It was interesting and I hate that this applies to a journalistic organization that I would like to support, but Genevieve and I, there were two things that Bezos did that caused tons of people to stop subscribing to the paper. The first one was when he admitted that he personally had the newspaper pull the endorsement of Kamala Harris right before the election action that he said that that was his decision. There was a lower level person underneath him who tried to take the blame for that. But Bezos admitted, like, no, that was me. I basically said I don't want to do endorsements anymore. But basically he didn't want to piss off Trump because that was going to be bad to his other business interests. And then the second thing he did about a month later was he announced that the editorial pages of the Post were no longer going to try to have any kind of balance. Not like various perspectives, but it was all going to be this sort of right wing pro business perspective from now on. Well, that that second act was what finally got Genevieve and I to cancel our subscription. And we didn't want to like. Of all the things, like we don't want to hurt the journalists, you know what I mean? Of all the things that we decided to sort of boycott or stop supporting, I didn't want the Washington Post to be the thing that ends up feeling the impact the most. You know what I mean? If I read about Target going under or having to slash half its thing, I'd be happy, like, because I don't shop at Target anymore anymore or Amazon proper. But it breaks my heart that this is the Post. But as I was wondering, what is the real world impact of that? It said that when Bezos made that first decision and pissed off a lot of readers by basically spiking the Kamala endorsement, it said 250,000 people immediately dropped their subscriptions. Then the second wave of anger that got me in veeves about the changing of the editorial direction was another hundred thousand, I think. So it was interesting for me to actually see numbers of like, what, like direct results. According to this piece, which I guess I'm trusting here, is basically saying you can tie 250,000 and then one another a hundred thousand based on these specific decisions that Bezos made. And it's like, well, if you're wondering if sometimes a single individual making a decision like that can have an impact does.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I'm trying to do the math on because what is it, like 20 bucks a month or something for the Post, probably, you know, you're talking 300,000 people times 20 bucks a month. I mean, is that 60 million? I mean, that's a significant.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, but again. But it bums me. It's kind of like again, I Wish I was talking about these numbers, you know, compared to a company like Target or just Amazon Proper. Like it, it's. I, it's like, it's sort of satisfying to see the numbers. It's like, oh, well, sometimes people's pocketbook decisions can impact an organization. I'm just pissed off that it's this organization. I didn't want to be responsible or partially responsible for the, for the, you know, the gutting of the Washington Post. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Because I mean, yeah, I mean if you, by, with, by, by pulling back your subscription, you're just hasten in a very small way. And everybody who did that, they're just hastening the demise of this newspaper, you know, which I'm not saying that you made the wrong decision, but it's like it's a bummer because either you continue to pay for the paper and I guess in a weird way reward Jeff Bezos, or you pull your subscription and it just ensures that there will be a day when the Washington Post is going to just be like a very, very, very small shadow of itself website thing going on, you know, and we'll just have none of its, you know, it's, it's cultural importance that it's had over the years.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I blame him. I don't blame us. Like there was a reason we made that decision is because of y. I'm

[Luke Burbank]

not blaming you, but I'm saying, I'm saying this is why it's a dilemma. Yeah. Because you want the Washington Post to exist. Or maybe I guess you think that the Jeff Bezos led Washington Post should not exist. And so therefore, you know, you're, you're, you're not, I mean, I get not supporting it. I'm also not subscribing to them, but only because I had, was just like I had so many subscriptions going between the Seattle Times and the New York Times and the Atlantic and on and on and on. I got a bill from the New Yorker the other day, or no, I was trying to figure out my bill with the New York Yorker. And so I did like a search in my like bank account or something for how much I've paid for the New Yorker in the last 10 years. Shocking amount of money.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't think we, I don't shock New Yorker currently. We kind of come and go on that and I leave that up to Veeves. But I think we're at, I know we're getting the Atlantic still and I don't know what the decision about the New Yorker was, whether or not it was Cost or what? But I will tell you this. Some conversation I was having recently reminded me of a reason why I mad at the New Yorker. And I don't know if you remember this, but it was. It was actually the TBTL archives that helped me figure it out. Do you remember I. I only one time submitted something via Instagram, but officially submitted my idea for the caption contest. And I remember whatever one was so bad, or whatever the three finalists were, were nowhere. And you know me, Luke, I'm not somebody who goes around thinking that my version of things is usually better, but mine was so much better. And I remember just being generally mad about that, but I couldn't remember what it was. And I was texting a friend about that a few, I don't know, months ago, and I was laying on the couch, was probably like a Friday after my work was done or something. And so I had the time to do this, and I started thinking, like, what was that? So I started scrubbing the TBTL archives to find that conversation. And I found it. And I was able to then find the year and then somehow go back and into the records of the New York or the New Yorker caption cartoon contest to find what my submission was. And I finally put all the pieces together, and I stand by it. The cartoon. And I'm just gonna tell you, this was a couple, and they are. They're hiking up a mountain, right? And you can see that there's other hikers there, too, but this couple, one

[Luke Burbank]

of them, a house on their back.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, good memory. See, I didn't even remember. Remember that the couple, the one guy has a house on his. Or maybe they both have houses on the back. Or maybe one person in the couple has their house on his back and they're just climbing and it's like, what is the caption here? And do you recall what my caption

[Luke Burbank]

was that I don't remember.

[Andrew Walsh]

My caption was. And remember, we can only eat what snails eat, too.

[Luke Burbank]

That's pretty good. That was good.

[Andrew Walsh]

And the other things were just sort of like, oh, interest rates, am I right? Or some shit that made no sense at all. And I thought mine was so clever. It was like, so it was so specific, specifically dialed into, like, eating and health and fitness trends of just like, you know, whether it's right.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. Like, you could see me doing. Telling you I'm doing something called snail life.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right?

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. I carry my shelter, but I also have to live under some certain weird

[Andrew Walsh]

set of rules to not even get a shout out, to not even Be one of the three. I'm still between.

[Luke Burbank]

Dude.

[Andrew Walsh]

Burning.

[Luke Burbank]

Between. Between me being personally responsible for the Jake Gyllenhaal movie Nightcrawlers and you being. Being the erasure of your submission to the New Yorker. You know, I mean, I just. What I want to do is I want to say you're welcome to the listeners that they're getting to hear. Two of the greatest creative minds of our era operate in relative anonymity over here.

[Andrew Walsh]

I want somebody to make a documentary about my experience trying to enter one caption contest. I want it to be called Silent Laughter. The Andrew Walsh Story. Here I go once again with the email. Every week. I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female.

[Luke Burbank]

Can I give you a quick little update on something courtesy of some of the listeners, Andrew?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, I was about to do the same for you.

[Luke Burbank]

I actually you might have. You know what, I'm trying to log into my TBTL work account and it's being a little tricky on me. So would you mind running this from your end?

[Andrew Walsh]

Assuming we're talking about the same thing and which we might, but I'll start with mine and then that'll give you some time to log in anyway. And I will tell you, I haven't even reviewed these yet, but last week on the show you played a drop that caught my ear. Is this what you were talking about? And it is something like this ship doesn't go anywhere, it just goes in circles. I don't think I have that exactly right. But it was something along the lines of it here. And I'll give you. Just tell me when you're ready on that. I'll keep going here. But I was like, what is that from? Doesn't go anywhere except in circles. You can start that again. I was going to talk. This ship doesn't go anywhere except in circles. And I had a whole theory about maybe what that came from. It's. I thought maybe it was like kind of a Seattle based commercial from when you were a kid. Maybe it had something to do with a Mariners ship in the outfield or something. I just had all these theories and I got several emails. I'm going to read this one here from Tammy, who says, hello, I found the clip and this is from, from YouTube and it's a spaceship recliner pod from Neiman Neiman Marcus, 1982. I'm gonna play the whole thing. It looks like this is 15 seconds. This is like a Tammy and Ryan. Ryan also on the tip here.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Does Ryan have more info?

[Luke Burbank]

No, I think it was about the same thing, but I just want to give Ryan some credit too.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I haven't listened to this yet, but what I'm seeing here is like a very futuristic looking pod chair.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

But not one of the like round ones that look like the. The helmets and spaceballs. It's more like it, more like Darth Vader's helmet.

[Luke Burbank]

Sort of Gravitron. The Gravitron when I was a kid. Except small. Except you with just room for one person.

[Andrew Walsh]

This ship doesn't go anywhere except in circles. But it does have a color tv, stereo sound, a built in bar and a wireless phone. It also has a price tag of $32,000 delivered.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I don't know if that was a commercial or if that was some sort of rounded. That almost sounded like it was like a roundup from like PM magazine or something in the 80s, didn't it?

[Luke Burbank]

I think I must have seen that on TikTok.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's okay. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Or somewhere on the Internet and then forwarded it to myself and then grabbed that audio. Although what's funny is just what a goldfish brain I am now. Like I didn't remember any of that. I mean it couldn't have been that long ago. I mean it wasn't like that didn't happen in 2008 that I grabbed that audio. So like at some point I must have seen that or maybe somebody sent it to me too. And then I. Unless I guess it's possible, Andrew, that somebody might have sent it to me as a drop. Oh, maybe once every once in a while that happens where a listener will just send us a piece of. I mean it could have maybe been our friend Bean. I'm not sure. Although he'd priced in that to you. He would know that you're better at the sort of file management of these things but. Because what's weird is when I started watching that video and thank you Tammy and Ryan for reaching out, I had no memory of like of, of observing visually that little weird personal pod. Also the one thing it's missing, a toilet. Guy's just sitting in there, he's lounging, he's got everything he could possibly need, but then he's got to leave to go to the bathroom like a sucker.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, what do you. Are you picturing this chair being hooked up to plumbing or are you thinking about a situation where you have to empty it like an rv family fancy.

[Luke Burbank]

If you're fancy, it could be hooked up to plumbing. Otherwise you just move the Chair fairly often.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just like, is it filling up a reservoir that you then have to clean at some point?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, because the thing is, it's like this is like something out of. This is almost like something out of a sci fi movie, but as a sort of like, cautionary tale of like, someday we'll just all sit in a pod and the pod will provide every single thing you could imagine. And then no one will leave their pod. And then. I mean, and whatever. This is a boring and obvious argument, but you could say to some degree that has happened, at least with the way that we are with our phones. But like, it's like, yeah, this pod is missing. This ship is missing one thing. A turlet.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

He's sitting on a chair that could have a hole in it.

[Andrew Walsh]

This. This could be a toilet. But you playing.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

So. All right. Well, thank you. Oh, by the way, I did see. So Ryan did send this in, and Ryan saw it on Tiki Talky. And I want to say to Ryan, thank for the shop vac. It still works. This is Ryan, who gave me a shop vac before he moved out.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I see. Interesting. You're just getting. Just getting free home appliances.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm getting free home appliances and free water bottles. By the way, shout out to Maggie in Swarthmore. Oh, our buddy. Yeah, exactly. Sent me a. A nice. Because I've been complaining. Not complaining, but just sort of like on the fence on buying a water bottle for so long. And so she sent me one, and I really appreciate that. It's very nice. Thank you. It's cooling in the fridge right now. And you know what I like about it? It's got a. Somewhat of a smaller mouth than this, like, kind of wide mouth one. But, Luke, because I make those special round ice cubes, those spherical ice balls. They fit perfectly. It's very satisfying just to plop, plop, plop them right into the mouth of that thing.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know what I've been on the fence about is the new Rivian. I keep hemming and hawing, and I'm going to talk about it every day until somebody sends me one.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God, I saw so many of those electric. And I'll start the music here because. Because I know we need to get out of here, but I saw so many of those electric vw. What do you call those little Van Id Buzz.

[Luke Burbank]

I love those things.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. I cannot. That is. Veeves and I are pretty convinced that we're gonna, you know, we're gonna ride. Ride this car we have now into the absolute ground. But then eventually, hopefully, those things will still be being made by that point. Is that where we want to get one of those?

[Luke Burbank]

I'd heard now, you know, the Internet is sometimes not to be believed, but I was seeing a lot of kind of chatter about how those things were really not. There's nothing wrong with the performance of them, but that they just kind of miss sort of. They misread the market. Oh, and maybe. And maybe Hawaii is a different vibe, but, like, I have not seen very many of them driving around. Even, like, Portland. I always note it because I think they're so cool.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, they're like.

[Luke Burbank]

And I was seeing a bunch of kind of chatter on. On online that was like, oh, yeah, the ID buzz is a huge flop. And by the way, the prices are dropping.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

So you might. Now, again, that might have been. That might have been misinformation. I'm not sure, but, like, yeah, I could. I've still, you know, I've got my car, you know, it's. It's pretty new. I. I think I'm gonna also drive it, you know, until. Until it. Until gas hits a hundred dollars a gallon. And then I may have to make some important decisions. But, like, I could definitely see getting into one of those ID buzzes. I think that they're. I think they're so cool looking.

[Andrew Walsh]

So cute. So cute.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. All right. That's actually. That's. No, Andrew, that's what I'm hemming and hawing about. Forget the review.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, exactly. Maggie.

[Luke Burbank]

Maggie.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, thank you. For real?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Thank you all for listening. That's going to do it for today, but we're going to be right. Wow, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Did we hit?

[Luke Burbank]

That's amazing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wait, are we. Is this an especially long show? It zoomed by.

[Luke Burbank]

It did. Really?

[Andrew Walsh]

I got 142 on my end.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, well, that seems pretty. Pretty long.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

To me. Anyway, thanks for listening, everybody. We will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for all of you. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Tuesday. Take care of yourselves. Go Mariners. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all. Power out.