#4697 To A Hammer, Everything Is A TAC

Summary

TBTL #4697 – To A Hammer, Everything Is A TAC

April 2, 2026
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh

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Episode Overview

In this Thursday edition of TBTL, Luke and Andrew catch up as spring arrives in the Pacific Northwest with unpredictable weather and even more unpredictable local branding debacles. They dive deep into the rebranding saga of Seattle-Tacoma International Airport ("Sea-Tac" vs. "SEA"), dissect a viral video of a Texas judge's outburst at an IT worker, share quirky frustrations about local news websites, reminisce about childhood wallets, and celebrate community with classic "Blursday" listener shout-outs. The show features the duo’s signature blend of regionally-infused banter, cultural commentary, and genuine friendship.

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Key Discussion Highlights

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1. Episode Banter & Spring Shenanigans

• [00:00–03:49] Opening Jokes & Catch-Up
  • The guys start with playful jokes (including “I’m a curd-mudgeon”) and riff about looking “fricking awesome” after a shower.
  • Immediate digression into misnaming the season ("Summer in the D") leads to a self-aware course correction: “Did I even say April once yet? I started with the entirely wrong statement.” – Luke [03:32]

2. Seattle-Tacoma Airport Name Controversy: SEA vs. Sea-Tac

• [04:10–23:05] Regional Branding Gone Wild
  • Luke and Andrew discuss the airport’s recent push to be called "SEA" instead of Sea-Tac, criticizing it as a pointless branding exercise:

    “When you have people whose job it is to deal with imaging, they like to mess with imaging. When you have an image hammer, everything looks like an imaging…" – Andrew [09:19]

  • They revel in regional naming oddities (ORD for O'Hare, MCO for Orlando), but defend locals' right to their terminology.
  • Reveal: Sea-Tac spent $300,000 on a rebrand—with little public buy-in.

    “I thought the people that work for the United Talent Agency were the most useless humans on planet Earth this week...I think I may have found their equal...branding consultants hired by the Port of Seattle at the cost of $300,000 to say, why don't you call it SEA instead of SeaTac?” – Luke [16:12]

  • Regional pride: Both hosts decry the attempt to erode local identity, and note labeling confusion at the airport is about signage, not the name.

3. Navigating Local Life, Tech Woes, and Neighborhood News

• [23:05–43:19] Small Town Newspapers & Tech Support Snafus
  • Luke vents about difficulty accessing his local paper’s website, wrongly assuming it was the site’s fault before realizing it was a browser caching issue.

    “I just felt so dumb…that’s probably almost always user error.” – Luke [25:41]

  • Andrew provides tech troubleshooting advice (restarting, caches), comparing it to making your bed each morning for “computer hygiene.” [36:15]
  • Charming detour: Both reminisce about childhood wallets and the thrill of carrying around "grown-up" things:

    “It’s a wallet like anybody else’s wallet.” – Andrew [50:13]

  • They discuss supporting small-town businesses, sharing genuine disappointment at the closure of a beloved local eatery, The Gifted Kitchen.

4. Community Corner: Dazzling Donors & Listener Shout-Outs

• [38:22–51:32] Celebrating TBTL’s Listener Community
  • Dazzling Donor: Jesse Robbins, who runs an inclusive Krav Maga school, gets an energetic readout—dedicating his shout-out to his sons Vincent and Frederick. [38:49]
  • Nick Kennedy, a long-time listener and low-power radio volunteer in Tacoma, plugs KTQA 95.3 FM (“transmitter is only 25 watts…broadcast radius is only a few miles”). [44:52]
  • Tangents: TBTL hosts listen to KTQA live, discuss regional radio nostalgia, and relive the particular joys of childhood with local community radio.

5. Top Story Analysis: Viral Video of a Bullying Texas Judge

• [51:32–68:26] Judicial Meltdowns and the Power of Going Viral
  • Luke unpacks a viral courtroom video where Judge Nathan Miller berates an IT worker for a technical snafu.

    “This little a-hole of a judge is like, no, it wasn’t a false alarm. It’s like, oh, who cares? The system is working, dude. Just…whatever.” – Luke [53:52]

  • Andrew highlights the “copaganda”-style moral outrage of courtroom viral videos and the danger when judges become internet celebrities:

    “We love it if…we’re seeing some judge articulately and unflinchingly go after a defendant…But it’s these frickin’ judges…on their high horse…to put on a show.” – Andrew [58:44]

  • The hosts stress how judicial temperament can unfairly impact people and rail against the larger trend of judges moralizing for the cameras.

    “The idea that…so much of the fate of people who are caught up in the legal system is about the mood the judge is in…so messed up.” – Luke [67:04]

  • Both hope the internet’s scrutiny leads to accountability, at least in this rare case.

6. Moisture Mysteries, Homeowner Woes, and “Just Put the Boxes Back”

• [69:58–71:21]
  • Andrew reveals a plumbing (or seepage) mystery — hoping it’s an easy repair, but real talk: “Have you considered just putting the boxes back?” – Luke [70:58]

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Blursday Time: Celebrating Listeners’ Special Days

• [72:09–87:29]
  • Listener Grant turns 10: Parents write in to share how much they love seeing him “blossom into a wonderful, loving and kind young man.” [75:02]
  • Tim from Alan: “Wishing a very happy Blursday to my favorite 10…from your Forever 11, Alan.” [75:55]
  • Kevin (March 31): Often overshadowed by his son’s birthday, gets his own shout-out: “This is your day, Kevin.” – Luke [76:54]
  • Alex from Christina & Ernest: First-time parent, adjusting to new routines—all the love from family. [78:09]
  • Meta-discussion on Alaska Airlines app logo changing to include Hawaiian Airlines.
  • Annie B from Kelly: “She is kind, hilarious, and the most amazing sister and auntie anyone could ask for.” [85:54]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pointless Branding:

  • “When you have people whose job it is to deal with imaging, they like to mess with imaging. When you have an image hammer, everything looks like an imaging…” – Andrew [09:19]
  • “The branding consultants hired by the Port of Seattle at the cost of $300,000 to say, why don’t you call it SEA instead of SeaTac?” – Luke [16:12]

• Childhood Wallet Outrage:

  • “What do you mean it’s a kid’s wallet?! It’s a wallet like anybody else’s wallet.” – Andrew [50:13]

• On the Judge Video:

  • “He is power tripping on the highest level. And I’m so glad that he got caught…” – Luke [54:51]
  • “We should be mad at more of these judges, I guess is my point.” – Luke [68:33]

• On Technology & Computer Hygiene:

  • “Opening up a laptop for me that has just been open for weeks on end…feels like getting into bed that I haven’t made in a couple of weeks.” – Andrew [36:15]

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Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------|----------------| | Opening jokes & banter | 00:00–03:49 | | Seattle-Tacoma Airport name & regionalism | 04:10–23:05 | | Newspaper tech troubles & local boosterism | 23:05–43:19 | | Dazzling Donors, community radio shout-outs | 38:22–51:32 | | Texas judge viral video analysis | 51:32–68:26 | | Homeowner woes, water mysteries | 69:58–71:21 | | Blursdays (listener celebrations) | 72:09–87:29 |

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Tone, Takeaways, & Style

• Tone: Warm, rambling, regional, and gently irreverent. The hosts combine genuine frustration with affectionate ribbing and a shared fondness for the idiosyncrasies of local life.
• Style: Freewheeling, self-aware, and deeply community-centric.
• Takeaway: TBTL remains a celebration of the quirks of personal and civic identity—whether debating airport names, championing small businesses, or calling out abuses of authority…all while keeping things “too beautiful to live.”

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Best for listeners who love:

• Regionally-rooted comedy,
• Local civic drama,
• Community radio and newspapers,
• The everyday struggles (and victories) of tech troubleshooting,
• Empathetic takedowns of public jerks,
• Endearing listener celebrations.

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

It's my responsibility to fix this. I'm going to brighten the mood by telling a few jokes. Try this one on for size. I don't care for cheese. I'm a curd. Mudgeon. Well, you're too tired for humor, tbtl. Oh, good. Here we all are together again.

[Andrew Walsh]

What face would your.

[Luke Burbank]

Would your feet make if they can make a face? I don't understand the question, and I won't respond to it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brain.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm going to suggest that we have a little constructive talking time.

[Andrew Walsh]

Not long at all.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, maybe maybe 10 minutes or.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. Or maybe 15 is also good.

[Luke Burbank]

I get out of the shower and

[Andrew Walsh]

look in the mirror. I'm impressed because I look fricking awesome.

[Luke Burbank]

The story of this situation is it's extremely personal.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right.

[Luke Burbank]

Hello, good morning, hello and welcome, everyone, to a Thursday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It is our turn. My name's Luke Burbank. I am your host. How about a Prisca? Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where the weather patterns are unpredictable. Today, when Andrew and I first started chatting, I had this audio drop ready to go.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, ma pa.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just beautiful because the sky was blue and I was feeling optimistic. But now I have to break out the old Denzel clip because didn't know you liked to get wet. Though it's now raining. So it's unclear what we're gonna be dealing with today, other than an excellent episode of TBTL because it's episode 4697 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. So often people are allowed to be rude and crude and unkind and there are no consequences. But then every once in a while, they're actually caught on video doing it. Like this judge was in Texas. You're a gross person. And now his emails are coming out. And now, and this is not, at least so far in the story, a story of, like, profound sort of abuse or victimization. It's just a story of a person who's just not very nice and everybody is figuring it out. And it's actually kind of nice to see someone getting their comeuppance. We'll talk about that. Also, I spent the morning trying to convince my local small town newspaper that I know how websites work. I'd like to point out to anybody watching this is really bunk journalism. And it's unclear if I was successful in that or not? We'll get into that. Plus, it's a Thursday, AKA a blursday. So we have probably, I'm guessing, a lot of blurs days because we were not doing that segment last week. So we've got a couple of weeks worth here and we will get to those right. Well, not right after, but in due time after we say hello to this guy. Longest running co bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ship.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm his best friend, also co boss.

[Luke Burbank]

It's summer in the D and he couldn't be more excited. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, my friend from beautiful D, Addle Dawshington.

[Luke Burbank]

I know. I was like, summer in the L, Summer in the Longview. Summer in the sea. I'm in Cowlitz County. There you go.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Or summer in the sea. Or it's April in the sea. What am I. Have I. Did I even say April once yet? I think I literally started with the entirely wrong statement. We back this up.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's April in the sea.

[Luke Burbank]

Can we back this up, please? I'm having some problems. I wanted to say it's April in the D to you, which is a joke from our favorite show, Detroiters, but I think I might have said summer

[Andrew Walsh]

in the D. Oh, you might have.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think any of this has made sense.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, well, good, strong start.

[Luke Burbank]

I get some goddamn diuret when I sit here. My mouth just never stops.

[Andrew Walsh]

If you wanted to make a T shirt that said that sort of followed that pattern, but you wanted to make it relevant to Seattle, you could do April in the sea and April in the se Or April in the sea. Sea. Because people do that a lot with Seattle. I don't know if you know that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I do. I've noticed. In fact, you know what? They're trying to do that at seac.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, they are. They're trying to rebrand it as I did this.

[Luke Burbank]

How did this rebranding miss my radar? I had no idea until I was in SeaTac the other day and I kept hearing the loudspeaker announcements and they were calling it. They weren't calling it SeaTac.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. This came to my attention a few months ago when I was on kow and Bill Radke brought this up on the show because One of the KUOW reporters did not refer to it as SeaTac Airport. They referred to it as Sea. And a listener said, hey, that's interesting. Why did you do that? We all call it SeaTac and they said, well, the official designation is sea. And other airports, you know, you. What's a good example? LAX would be maybe the most perfect example. Right. They call it lax, but the thing is, that's a bit of a regionalism. And so, yeah, Radke just sort of wanted to know how we all felt about it. I feel like, yeah, different areas have their own ways of describing their airports. Like, I don't even know. In Cleveland, you just say the airport. I believe it's.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, yeah, Cleveland. Give you some examples of places that you would never like. Orlando is mco. Oh, can you imagine being like, we got to fly out of. If I said mco, would you be like, oh, that's probably Orlando.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why is it, by the way, o' Hare is Ord. Oh, that. That I know. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

That's. Nobody calls it ord.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right. You say o'. Hare. So that's why I sort of feel like just because the airport is pushing that doesn't mean that I think that I'm a big fan of regionalism. Right. And so, like, the fact that it's just Luke in the water. Everybody has always said SeaTac as long as I've lived here, which is relatively short period of time compared to your time. But you know what I mean? Like, why. Why bend over backwards to change something that is just like how everybody says it.

[Luke Burbank]

Did tax stop paying their part of the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe bill for the pizza.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, I. I'm wondering if, you know, originally the idea was, well, Seattle is. Is, you know, well, it's in between Seattle and Tacoma. I wonder if maybe because of the funding of it, that they, like, somehow made Tacoma pay for part of it because, like, the original construction. Because they were like, well, it'll be. People will fly in to go to Seattle or Tacoma, and so we're all going to pay for this. And then Tacoma at some point was like, yeah, no one's coming down here from Sea Tac. The way they're going up to Seattle, who knows? But it's also. I mean, I can tell you exactly what happened. Having only found out about this recently and given it no thought up until this moment, you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly what happened?

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, down to the letter that

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm learning live on the show. This is a thing. Yes. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And that is, you know, you work at the SeaTac airport, and a lot of people work there. A lot of people are in charge of trying to, I guess, grow the business, if you will, even though I know it's not a private company and it's Just like, someone had the idea that, like, it's better branding to call it SEA because the city that people identify it with is Seattle. And SeaTac is confusing because most people outside of this area maybe haven't heard of Tacoma. So what is tack doing on there? And somehow they think that leads to less air travel. Like, in other words, what their theory of the case is that somebody is booking a ticket and they're thinking about either flying through and stopping over in Seattle at SeaTac or maybe making their final destination. But when they see tack on there, they're good. They get confused and they cancel their whole trip. But if they just see S E A, they'll know that means Seattle and we'll get more business. So therefore, we got to drop the

[Andrew Walsh]

tack, but, like, get more business, you know? I know. Like, that doesn't. That's the one part that doesn't scam. And it could also just sort of

[Luke Burbank]

be like, well, more business is more tax is more tax based.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, but, like, the idea is people are getting confused as to where they fly in. I mean, I think almost any. I don't think there's any, like, air traveler who's air travel. I'm an air traveler of the wind, Luke. That's how I'd like to refer to me from now on. But you know what I mean? Like, an airport. It's not like there's a lot of competition. It's not like people are flying into the. What's the field in Everett?

[Luke Burbank]

Pain field. People aren't like, you want to change the name? Stop calling it pain.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know. Or lean into it. Have a. Have a spokesman named Major Payne who comes out. But you know what I mean? Like, it doesn't. The one thing about that is it's not like, oh, well, we're losing business at Sea Tac Airport because people are confused.

[Luke Burbank]

That's the. That's the calculation they've made. Somebody there who makes a lot more money than us, who is part of the. Whatever. The business growth team of SeaTac Airport made the case that they are losing business because of calling it SeaTac and that streamlining it, making it sea, will be cleaner. It will. It will indicate more clearly to people where they're. Where they're flying to. And therefore it will grow business. That'd be the only logical reason for them doing that. Right. Not that I'm saying it's going to work, but that's the argument.

[Andrew Walsh]

All organizations do rebrand. And I don't know if it's always because it's like, oh, we'll bring more flyers, we'll bring more travelers in from Ohio. If we change into sea, it could just be so. Well, I mean, if we're getting real about this.

[Luke Burbank]

We are.

[Andrew Walsh]

When you have people whose job it is to deal with imaging, they like to mess with imaging. You know what I mean? Like, things get rebranded all the time just because, like, when I've got an

[Luke Burbank]

image hammer, everything looks like an imaging.

[Andrew Walsh]

Looks like a ctac. Yeah, exactly. Like so. I mean, and I'm guessing there's maybe more to it than both of what you. What you and I are both saying, but I do sort of think that, like, it is probably just somebody felt like, yeah, why sfo? Why can't we be like sfo? Because it seems more fun to do it that way. Like, you know, why did the Mariners replace their best jerseys with new Sunday jerseys, which are also incredibly awesome, but why did they remove the other most awesome jerseys? Because they met, like, messing around with things. And then in the future, they'll bring back the Sunday jerseys that they replaced, and everybody will be like, yay, you finally brought those back. People just love. Why did Mr. Clean retirement?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that one.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, it's all the same.

[Luke Burbank]

Pretty obvious. Well, see, the thing is, in this case, though, now I'm looking at Axios article. Although it's a little light on facts, it's a little light on faxios. Unlike me, it's heavy on asking people what they think about the change in the name, but it's useful. I want to shout out Melissa Santos, writing for the Axios Seattle feed. Basically, a CTAC's sea rebrand isn't landing well with some locals. This was the. This was the part that jumped out at me. And this is a. This is a facsio, so I want to give them Credit. In the 1940s, officials from Tacoma, the Port of Tacoma, and Pierce county contributed $100,000 to help site the airport where it stands today. Several readers noted. So this is still as reported by the readers of Axios, but still, if that's true, that kind of goes to my original theory that, like, when they were trying to build this thing, they were like, hey, Tacoma, you want to kick in for this, right? And now the question is, and this is, we don't have. The answer is, like, did Tacoma at some point go like our wire? What are we paying for here? How much are we paying for the tac? Also, airport officials noted that the airport's full name, Seattle Tacoma International Airport, still includes Tacoma but these are the same people that are pushing for us to all call it sea. So they. They speak with forked tongue.

[Andrew Walsh]

So you are reading the Axio sort of follow up about people's reaction to it. Here is the original same writer Meliss article. Sea Tac Airport really wants you to stop calling it that. This is really interesting. Congrats to Radke. No joke. Because he, like, sort of just like sort of heard this during a newscast, I think, or maybe heard of a listener calling attention to it. And he was just like, this is interesting, but I don't think we knew at the time that it was actually like a headline. This is from January 15th. Sea Tech Airport really wants you to stop calling it that. A wonderful stock photo, by the way. Having to use stock photos is the

[Luke Burbank]

kind of stock photo that only CBS Sunday MORNING could eclipse.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I'm actually, I actually think this is funny because, like, if you have to use stock photos, like, your hands are tied somewhat. This one. And I'm giving. I'm. I'm just gonna assume that Melissa got to choose her own photo here. It's a close up of like an airport stanchion. Is that the right word? One of those temporary, like, ribbon things that you pull out for crowd control.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, by the way.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I want you to know, nobody, nobody unhooks one of those and rehooks it with more impunity than me. I believe that I find those to be purely suggestive because I have now learned how to reattach them.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what I mean? Slide the thing back where it's supposed to go.

[Andrew Walsh]

I always, I don't do it to get through lines. I just do it because I'm a fidgeter and I'm always like, I'm gonna get yelled at by that drug dog or that bomb dog. But anyway, in this one, it's like that stanchion, but when you pull out the ribbon, it just has the emoji of a guy holding his, like, shrugging his shoulders and holding his hands in the air. Like, I don't. No. Which I think is a good, a good illustration of this story. Why are they doing this? It says, Seattle Tacoma International Airport continues to urge people to call the airport SEA for short instead of Sea Tac. But who actually does that? Bullet point? Definitely not us. Why it matters. The mini debate over the airport nickname reflects a broader Seattle tension as the region increasingly markets itself as a global destination. Locals like us may not be fully on board. The latest. The airport reignited the debate on Social media this week, posting on X. Luke, that's the Everything app. I don't know if you know that.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, I guess they won because we're calling it X.

[Andrew Walsh]

What are you gonna do? Still calling a SeaTac. Whoops. It's Sea A, it said on this Twitter video. An accompanying video shows sea labels around the airport while playing Meghan Trainor's Whoops in the background, which I don't even know that song. And I don't really have any issue with Meghan Trainor. I actually think she's kind of funny. But like, that is. It's just like. It's just. So you ask, like, why do we do this? It's because when. Because when imaging is a hammer, Everything is a CTAC is why many it says while the While the airport's full name isn't changing, using C helps avoid confusion with the surrounding city of Sea Tac. Airport spokesperson Perry Cooper told Axios many travelers looking for lost luggage were mistakenly contacting Sea Tac city officials. Oh, okay. Did you say that?

[Luke Burbank]

No.

[Andrew Walsh]

Who would have to redirect those complaints back to the airport? You're dubious. Color.

[Luke Burbank]

Color me dubious on that one. That sounds like a reverse engineering. Like, yeah, you're. You're missing your lug. You flew into SeaTac and you're missing your luggage and you call the city of seatac. I guess.

[Andrew Walsh]

But it's most. Yeah, it's mostly about them wanting to puff themselves up though, right? C is a global airport now. Like, I just don't think that that makes a difference.

[Luke Burbank]

I've got even more intel on. This is from aviation2z.com okay, aviation. And then the letter a2z.com a to z. This is written by Crudy Raj. This is actually a pretty good story. I'm not kidding. Seattle airport spent $300,000 to, quote, kill SeaTac, and it didn't work. Despite a costly rebrand, locals and travelers continue to favor the long standing SeaTac name.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's why they should.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Seattle Tacoma International Airport is renewed efforts to distance itself from the popular SeaTac name, favoring its official airport code instead. The move follows a $300,000 rebrand that aimed to simplify and standardize the airport's identity. Let's see here. While the airport accepts the nicknames, local popularity branding guidelines introduced in 2020 strictly promote sea as its primary public facing name. According to whatever Pyok is, this strategy continues to face resistance from travelers, media and residents alike. This is the part, though, that, you know, I just love to See our tax dollars at work.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

The rebrand was initiated by the Port of Seattle which hired branding consultants to address long standing inconsistencies and how the airport was identified. If you, I mean, I thought, I thought the people that work for United Talent Agency were the most useless humans on planet Earth this week. Andrew, that's for a whole other offline conversation. But no, I think I may have found their equal when it comes to doing absolutely nothing of use from a work standpoint on planet Earth. And that is the branding consultants hired by the Port of Seattle at the cost of $300,000 to say, why don't you call it SCA instead of SeaTac?

[Andrew Walsh]

Before you even mention the consultants, I was going to say to you, like, just imagine all of the meeting like and how many people hours went into meeting upon meeting upon meeting about how we're going to do this and then, and then all of the, you know, whatever the stickers need to be changed or the signs. Meanwhile, let me, and I'm not trying to be all Andy Rooney about this, but like, and it is actually I think kind of interesting that I'm like, this is an era where I think people are kind of, people like me anyway are more attracted to regionalism because everything seems so global. And then here it is like CTAC's like, we need to be more global. And it's kind of like, well, yeah, also you're not really doing any, you're not, you're not making anything easier or better. You're just doing something so that you can do something well.

[Luke Burbank]

And it mentions, it mentions a bunch of times in this article about quote, unquote confusion. But that's all coming from. Consultants concluded that this mix of identities created confusion for passengers, especially international passengers. I mean, I guess somewhat, but like, I just, I find it hard to believe that by calling it sea. Oh, and by the way, another thing is, apparently they're very, very insistent that it's not c. It's not like the body of water.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right?

[Luke Burbank]

So that's the other problem. If you want to call it sea, then you've got to fight this whole new battle where we're not sea. It's not the ocean.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I call it the Holy Sea?

[Luke Burbank]

You can't actually. That's the, that's the Vatican City airport.

[Andrew Walsh]

So here's the deal. And I really don't. This all started in fun. I don't really care that much. I'll continue to call it ctac.

[Luke Burbank]

No one can take it to unfun. Like we can Right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exact. But I'm going to get in the fast lane here and drive directly to Unfun Tun, which is spelled Unfun Town.

[Luke Burbank]

And it's an English cottage. It's an English countryside town. Unfun Tun.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that where Bean lives now?

[Luke Burbank]

He's way off the grid.

[Andrew Walsh]

Unfonton. They say this is to stop confusion. And as somebody who just flew in from Hawaii to Sea TAC and knows SeaTAC really well, and you know me, Luke, like, I am so defensive of Seattle writ large. I'm defensive of public transportation. I don't like hearing people complain about public transportation here because it's close to my heart or whatever. But I gotta say, and Viv's even more so than me, like, 10 times as much. Right. But, my God, like, we get back, if you want to talk about the confusion at Sea Tac Airport. The airport is set up ridiculously, like, it makes no sense. I mean, the only reason we zip around it is because we know, like, oh, yeah, you have to go up a half flight of escalators here to go down a half flight of escalators here.

[Luke Burbank]

7th and a half floor.

[Andrew Walsh]

7th floor. There's going to be a troll there. A goblin.

[Luke Burbank]

Sorry, a goblin. John Malkovich.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. You have to answer the goblins three questions. It's actually, I think, three statements and a lie. Anyway. It is, like, so confusing. And then. And Vivian and I, of course, take the train.

[Luke Burbank]

They.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I don't know if you've ever done this, Luke, but, like, you have to walk, I think. I think. I mean, it must. It must be more than a half a mile, I think, from the airport to the train. And then when you get to the train station, none of the lines say, take this to go to downtown Seattle. Or none of them say north or south. One side just says Lynwood City center, and the other one says Federal Way downtown. But downtown is on a separate line, so you can't tell if you were a visitor from out of state or even out of country. You might just see the sign that says Federal Way and then downtown on a second line and think, think, oh, this train must take me to downtown because I'm here to go to Seattle. But no, if you get on that, that's going to take you even further away from Seattle.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I want to be clear, Federal Way is the opposite direction you'd want to be going to the airport as opposed to going to downtown Seattle.

[Andrew Walsh]

But how would you know that? Because the other sign says Linwood. Like, none of them Say Seattle. And then throughout you would hear the

[Luke Burbank]

drummer from Pinback clarifying it over there. Hey, this is Braden from Pinback. If you're trying to go to Seattle, don't take the Federal Way line.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, exactly. If you wanted to talk about issues affecting the elderly, you should have called yesterday when our topic was cooking. Anyway, it's just like there are so many opportunities to ease the confusion of travelers who are coming in. And by the way, I don't know if you've had this yet, but Veeves and I flew out of the S gate and for the first time ever as travelers in Sea Tac Airport, we had to take two, you know, like mini trains, not light rail, but in. What do you call the trains inside?

[Luke Burbank]

Tram or tram. But like kind of. Yeah, the thing that you take at the airport.

[Andrew Walsh]

We had to connect. Now there used to just be one tram that would like kind of hit all the stops. We had to get on one tram, take it to one stop, get off and wait for another tram. And the signage around it is not especially great. And it's like. And again, I'm not complaining. I actually think it's a little embarrassing when I hear like kind of actual lawmakers in Olympia talk about like how hard it is to navigate Seattle and they try to like wedge that into issues that they have about whatever anti bike lanes or whatever the hell it is. Like, I don't like being an old man trying to say like the world is too confusing. But if you're actually saying like, we spent $300,000, so I have that right. 300 grand to.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, just to the branding consultants.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Who knows what, like what are the other costs?

[Andrew Walsh]

The in house costs? Sure. Yeah. And. And like, oh, cost of having Duff

[Luke Burbank]

McKagan re record his messages. Hey, this is Duff from Velvet Revolver.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nice. Velvet Revolver. I forgo that.

[Luke Burbank]

But anyway, I think he named chips Guns N Roses. Technically, but okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

There are so many ways to actually ease confusion in that airport. But they're not doing any of that. It's just because they wanted to rebrand it because it's fun and they want to be global.

[Luke Burbank]

Because everybody. Yeah, because everybody is trying to justify their particular existence in growing again. Growing the brand growing because. Because heaven forbid anything ever stagnate. Heaven forbid anything ever just be the same. It's always got to be growing. And in order to grow, you've got to change and evolve and you've got to Streamline the name, etc. Now speaking, Andrew, of how do you

[Andrew Walsh]

feel about the chicken and biscuits Flavored Seatac Airport. By the way, I was a little

[Luke Burbank]

flavor blasted for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, sorry, go ahead. Transition. I want to.

[Luke Burbank]

Speaking of. But speaking of old people yelling about things that, that sort of don't need to be yelled about. I'm in a real pickle with my local newspaper here and extremely kludgy website and in fact I want to. Could you help me with this, Andrew? Could we do a real time experiment? Could you go to tdn.com tdn.com the

[Andrew Walsh]

last time I did this, you know that I got some sort of play along.

[Luke Burbank]

It just started and let's see here.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why does it say Brian no Andrew, what are you sending me to?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, Andrew, I just realized something. I've got something going on on my other computer. I have been bothering the poor folks at the Daily News of Longview, Washington for no reason because here's what's been at. So I subscribe to both of my local newspapers. That would be the Columbian, which is the major newspaper of Clark County, Washington and then tdn, the Daily News of Longview Washington. Although I found out, Andrew, that this is a chain of papers. They're owned. I think there are. The Daily News is in lots of different kind of small towns. I think that some, some larger company bought up all of these probably struggling local newspapers and called them all the Daily News. If that makes sense.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

So although somehow the one in longview got the tdn.com.

[Andrew Walsh]

yeah, I was gonna say how did it know which one I was looking for it?

[Luke Burbank]

They, they got that, they got that URL for the last like four or five days. And I, I pay good money to tdn. I've been trying to log into the paper and read the articles and every time I would click. I mean this is just, even on a good day, this is the world's absolutely most cluttered, kludgy ridiculous nightmare of a website. You know what I mean? It's just got like all kinds of pop up ads and Zergnet and everything because it's, you know there must, there's got to be like 10 subscribers and I got to be one. You know what I mean? It's like. And so anytime some fly by night digital ad agency comes through and like hey, you guys want to make 200 bucks for us to start slamming, you know, McDonald's ads? Which is then interspersed with like some weird financial advice show that's in between the McDonald's commercials that's just digitally populating on the page. I mean it's just a mess. But anyway I'm used to it, I can navigate it now. And for the last few days I've been trying to read my stories on there. And what would happen is I click on my story, I would only see the first line or two and then I would scroll down and then it would just be a jumble of mess of ads and things layered on top of each other and whatever this on

[Andrew Walsh]

mobile or on your website?

[Luke Burbank]

On my laptop.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

On my laptop.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it on your website? Okay, go ahead.

[Luke Burbank]

And so, and so this was. But this is on the laptop that I have in my house that I just kind of bring around. I'll sit in my chair in the living room or sometimes I'll be in bed or whatever. And I was having problems. And so I tried it with Chrome, I tried it with Safari. I, I tried to log in. It was having, every time I tried to log in it was giving me an error message. So this, I thought, well, they'll straighten it out. So I tried to send a message to them through one of their little like contact forms. And I said like this is the other day. I was like, I think your website is broken. And I just felt so dumb doing that because like how many times a day do people email them? Like where's my, I can't see my, my horoscope on here like I used to or whatever. That's probably almost always user error. So this morning I wanted to read TD again. I'm paying good money to TDN for this. I wanted to read some articles. It clicked about this little cool place in town called the Gifted Kitchen that was like a kind of a place that you could. What do you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I'm on the website now.

[Luke Burbank]

Sharp inhalation.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I'm interested in where your story is going, but also I don't pay for this website. So I was, when you were done with your story, I was gonna say I'm on the website now and I really want to know what's going on with two of these stories. And the first one I was going to ask you about after you're done with your story was what's going on with this place, the Gifted Kitchen. And are you familiar with it?

[Luke Burbank]

I am. And this is what prompted the whole thing. This morning I saw the headline long views of the Gifted Kitchen to close after Friday and I was like, aw man. Because this really cute married couple just took over this thing. So the Gifted Kitchen was this, it was like a culinary school and also a place that would, you could buy, you know, pre made meals that you could then cook at home. It was described in the article as the gourmet grab and go market and culinary hub. It was a cool little thing to have in this town that's otherwise kind of fairly drab and working class. And it had. It had been running for a good number of years under a different set of owners. And I think that they had just, you know, it's a pretty punishing schedule because you've got to be preparing this food and cooking this food all the time, and you're up super early in the morning, and it's a. It's a whole lifestyle. I think the people that had run it for a long time were just kind of like. Like, you know, wanted to take a little bit of time off. But what was cool is that they had sold the business to a couple of folks who. A married couple who I think had just been customers. And I don't remember all the details, and I don't want to put these folks on blast too much, but I remember reading the article from, like, four or five months ago that was like, new ownership at the gifted kitchen. And it was a really cool story because it was like this married couple who had been fans of this business had heard that the owner was looking to sell it and they decided to buy it. If I remember right, they had very limited experience in doing the food, but they were, like, excited to jump in with both feet and learn. And, like, they were all excited. They were going to keep the regular menu because people loved certain things. The orange chicken. Orange chicken and whatnot. But then they were going to start putting in some of their own recipes or something. And that apparently was not successful. Like, just that, you mean. I don't think that they. It just sounds like, unfortunately, that the business didn't work out for them. But I was kind of sad because I was rooting for them.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And I like, you know, again, speaking of regionalism, you know, when you live adjacent to, again, a town that's really. Not particularly. That's not really thriving, you start to become very protective of that town. At least I have. And you want new local. Like, they're putting in some food trucks, which, like, you know, you can't. You can't throw a Nerf football in Portland without hitting the. A bunch of food. In fact, they're like gremlins. You get them wet and there's seven more of them, and they're all named Potato Champion for some reason. But, like, they're getting food trucks in Longview. And I'm like, I'm going to eat at every one of those food trucks because it's like we got, we're getting food, like we're getting a food truck village. Like I've become this weird booster for the town because again, I just wanted to survive and thrive and have good things in it. And this seemed like something that was nice for the town to have. And so I was bummed that it went away but, or that it's going away, but I clicked on the thing and I got the whole Kludgy experience and then I tried it on Chrome, I tried it on Safari, I tried to log back into my account and finally I had to go, I had to get the customer service email and I had to send them an email this morning that said. And it's really sad that I was wrong because I'm out here looking at the website just fine on this other computer. So there's some cookies thing. There's some, there's some cache or cookies issue with my other computer that I need to figure out. Maybe if I just erase the cache, it'll fix it.

[Andrew Walsh]

It. I see. But yeah, because it looks fine to me.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's totally fine here. It's not tdn, it's not the water. So this morning though, I composed this email that was like I was already so in my head about it because I was like, again, start with it is kind of a shitty website just when it's working. Also, probably most of the subscribers are people who are fairly advanced in age. I don't, I don't think this is something that the 25 year olds of the greater Cowlitz county are rushing out to subscribe to. I feel like I'm on the young end of the demo and how many emails they must get about like things not working that turn out, like I said, to be probably operator error. So this morning I said, hey, I'm a subscriber and when I try to look at articles I can see the first couple lines and then it just devolves into, you know, a bunch of, of whatever problems. And I said, and then when I try to log into my account I get this error message. And then I took a picture of it, I said, see attached? And I said could you let me know how I should proceed? And then I couldn't help but say also, by the way, I'm somewhat tech savvy, I subscribe to a lot of different news websites and I'm 49. To clarify to them that I was 49.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now this is going to be the real question Here is, when you said you attached an image, did you attach a screenshot or did you take a photo of your screen with your camera?

[Luke Burbank]

No, it was with my iPad.

[Andrew Walsh]

You took a screen cap, right?

[Luke Burbank]

I took a screen cap.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, good.

[Luke Burbank]

I took a. Which I learned how to do from

[Andrew Walsh]

Phyllis Fletcher, not send a photograph of

[Luke Burbank]

my screen to make the argument, say

[Andrew Walsh]

the words, I am tech savvy. Now, don't get me wrong. I have taken photos of my screen before. Sometimes it is just the most expedient way to get something to somebody. Like, I'm not saying I've never done it, but you got to be really care. You cannot be claiming the young route. If you're doing that, that is.

[Luke Burbank]

And I know I'm. I mean, I'm not. Well, listen, I'm so not tech savvy that it wasn't even their fault. I'm out here on a different computer, and it's fine. So it's. I mean, but I guess what I was trying to. What I was. And you know, this has happened.

[Andrew Walsh]

The.

[Luke Burbank]

The few times that I've interacted with these local news sources, like, once was to send a guy an. An email saying, great article, which I never heard back on. But, like, I feel somehow like it's very important to me to establish to them that I'm not a crank, because I feel like. And peace and love to our friend Mary, who's the number one contributor to Rants and Raves. But, like, I feel like most of the people who contribute or who reach out to get in touch with most media organizations are by nature cranks. And so somehow I want to let them know, like, I think I'm a crank.

[Andrew Walsh]

Rank.

[Luke Burbank]

I. I don't want to be like. I want them to know that I'm, like, I'm not just a person. I'm not a troll. I'm not a person who doesn't know how the web works. Like, you know, I. I felt like I couldn't. I couldn't just say, hey, I'm having trouble logging in. Could you tell me how to do this? I had to let them know that, like, I kind of get it. Okay, guys, you're kind of rocking with a pro here. Although they weren't. Because it is my computer. It is specifically the computer that. And I don't know how that works. Again, I'm assuming has something to do with cookies or cash. Right? That. Would that be your most logical explanation for why I can look at the website just fine and dandy here, but I can't On a different physical computer.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not a bad place to start. I mean, I find when I'm helping Genevieve with things, I'm always like, she, like opened up her laptop the other day and like, everything was just kind of screwy as far as, like, how it was scaled and everything. Which I know that you can change scaling on websites, but I was also like, just start by restarting this. Like, she had. She had closed up this laptop in Seattle with like, I think she had 1700 tabs open and then flew with it and then opened it like a week and a half later in Hawaii. And then it was like, I don't know why this website looks weird. I'm like, we'll start by restarting your computer. Like, always start there. She's like, I can't restart my computer. She like gets so mad at the idea of restarting computers. I restart my computer every single day. Like, I use two computers to do the show with you. One that sits in front of me and records and also is where I play audio from and I'm googling on it and doing various things. And then the other one that I connect with with you on and we just see each other like a zoom call and we record this way. But both computers, I start every single one of my day by restarting both computers. You start fresh. Now, maybe, I mean, maybe I'm crazy, but I also don't run into some of these issues that you and Genevieve run into.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what, Andrew? You're not wrong, buddy. And what I should do, I should start with. I'm like Genevieve in so many ways. There's something about. I don't know, it's like my version of my wordle streak. If I haven't restarted, if I haven't restarted my computer in 150 days, it's something I want to keep going. I don't know. There's something about restarting my computer that takes two minutes and it's a cleanse. It's like a juice cleanse for my computer. Why not do that? In fact, what I'm going to do after today's show when I go back into the house is I'm going to do that and then I'm going to check back in on TDN and I'm going to see if that fixes. And I'm going to give you a full report tomorrow because I have a

[Andrew Walsh]

hunch it will restart. Might help. And then I think you're right. You might want to clear your cache. If that still doesn't Work, but knowing that it's working on another computer and browser is good. But here's what I'm going to say to you. I'm. I'm going to do you the biggest favor. This just popped into my head right now, by the way. I'm intrigued by something they have on their website called Puzzo up in the Middle, But I can't get that. But when you click, it's like their phrase, the puzzle. It's like their version of, like, you know, like trying to get on board with all the New York Times games, but they have something called bongo instead of bingo, I guess. Cross word pile up poker.

[Luke Burbank]

How about really Bad Chess?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what I was getting to. And it's a game called really Bad Chess, but I'm locked out of paradise. But here's what I'm going to say to you. This is gonna. I. This is gonna be a mental.

[Luke Burbank]

How's your Momoku streak?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Sound like the Shasta or the crayon soda of the New York Times.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God, I would eat a big bowl of Momoku right now. Whatever that is. It sounds like it has noodles. I want you to think about it this way as far as restarting your computer, because you have sort of a mental block about it. You said think about the satisfaction you get from making your bed. I feel like opening up a laptop, and I'm just coming up with this now, but I'm going to stand by it strongly. Opening up a laptop for me that has just been open for weeks on end and has a million tabs and everything that feels like getting into bed in a bed that I have not made in a couple of weeks. And I know you don't like that feeling, so maybe if you can sort of get. Give yourself that same sensation, you'll think, I don't want to get into this computer bed right now. I need to refresh it.

[Luke Burbank]

And you can restart your computer hygiene.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's computer hygiene. Hygiene.

[Luke Burbank]

No, you're absolutely right. Hey, speaking of Gene. Gene Bees? No. Eugene Merman. Did you hear about. He was in a crazy, fiery car crash?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I did not.

[Luke Burbank]

At a turnpike. At, like, where you at the Toll. He's okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

He's okay. This happened, like, within the last 24 hours or this.

[Luke Burbank]

I think in the last 24 hours. There was. He's okay. I want to start by saying he's people that, that people that, That I follow online that know him much better than I do are all reporting that he's. He's. He's Doing well. He's making jokes, but, yeah, there was this at, like, in, like, I think maybe New Hampshire, there was a fiery car, Like a car was fully engulfed at the toll booth booth.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I know those toll booths.

[Luke Burbank]

They pulled the person out, and that person was Eugene Merman, who we love the comedian and the. The voice of Gene on Bob's Burgers. And so. And. But anyway, I. I only bring that up to say the reports are he's doing well. So if anybody sees news about that.

[Andrew Walsh]

What.

[Luke Burbank]

What we're hearing online and seeing online is that he is recovering and he's. He's doing okay, so.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, well, that's thinking about Jerry. Yeah, absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle. On your mark.

[Andrew Walsh]

On your mark. Get set, get set now. Ready, ready, go.

[Luke Burbank]

Everybody rattle dazzle, everybody. All right, let's thank some dazzling donors. These folks are donating some dazzling dough to tbtl, and that's the way that this can operate. We do the show five days a week, week, all year long, and it's 100% listener supported, supported by folks like Jesse Robbins. Pronounced Game of Thrones theme, but with meows.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's an interesting pronouncer.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Not what I would have expected. Jesse's in Seattle, Washington. I want to dedicate this year's message to my two sons, my fives, Vincent and Frederick. They know how much I love to listen to TBTL when we're in the car, so they'll be thrilled to hear their names read by dad's favorite podcasters.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nice.

[Luke Burbank]

Those are a couple of very solid names, too. Vincent and Frederick.

[Andrew Walsh]

I take them seriously.

[Luke Burbank]

They do.

[Andrew Walsh]

They sound writing them off.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I mean, I feel like these are some. These are some young people that are going to grow up to do impressive things. To Vincent and Frederick. I love you to no end, and I'm so incredibly lucky to have you in my life.

[Andrew Walsh]

Life.

[Luke Burbank]

Also, your father loves you. Oh, wait, that's all from Jesse?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Just in case it sounded like I was saying to Vincent and Frederick, I do love them. I love the idea of them.

[Andrew Walsh]

I did have a weird feeling, and I have no idea why I had this thought. But when you first started reading Jesse's message and Jesse said, I want to dedicate this year's message to my two sons, for a split second, I thought he was talking about us. And I don't know why my two large adult sons, but there's a true story. It's like, oh, that's really sweet that you consider us your son.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, Jesse, we're happy to be your large adult sons if that's also something you're in the market for.

[Andrew Walsh]

What else did daddy say?

[Luke Burbank]

He said I'm a dazzling donor thanks to the small business that I own and operate. If any tens in the Seattle area are looking for purposeful fitness, a way to learn life saving self protection skills while moving your body alongside an inclusive and welcoming community, then please check out my school. Krav Maga Central District.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nice.

[Luke Burbank]

Jesse is doing that Krav Maga.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've only heard it's legend mostly. Everything I know about Krav Magai I learned through Archer.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes it is. It is a. It's a martial arts style that I've heard to be very, very effective. As Luke aptly described it last year, we are indeed the self protection system that focuses on extricating oneself from dangerous situations. Our goal is simple survival. We offer Krav Maga classes six days a week as well as cardio kickboxing four days a week and yoga twice a week. You can sign up for a free trial [e-mail] what I like too about this is it sounds like and this, I mean this scans when you're talking about the tens because we've got a few different tens and and people in the listening community who are involved in kind of fitness stuff. And what I love about it is it's always inclusive. Right? It's always got, you know, stuff going on for all kind of body types and physical abilities and things like that. It sounds like that's exactly what's going on over at Jesse's Krav Maga organization. Andrew, could we get you in there? Could we get you doing a little crop?

[Andrew Walsh]

It looks a little bit more physical than what I'm looking for in my phase of life right now.

[Luke Burbank]

I know you're not going to like this joke but it might come in handy on the E line.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I'm also thinking about inclusiveness. Another article that I was Interested in in tdn.com is the bright side. Kelso students promote inclusive sports teams. Have you read that?

[Luke Burbank]

I saw that and I wasn't able to click on it because I was having old man problems because now I'm going to. Yeah, have fun, get fit and leave safe. That is the motto of Jesse's Krav Maga studio. Again, it's KMC district. I wonder. I feel like Vincent and Frederick could really take us down. They're probably studying the Krav Maga already? They grew up around it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

It's all they know. It's all they've ever known. Andrew, Jesse, thank you so much for supporting TBTL and everybody go support Jesse and the Krav Maga studios and. And Vincent and Frederick, thanks for listening as well.

[Andrew Walsh]

Did you. I know you're maestroing me and I am maestro. I might have.

[Luke Burbank]

How dare you overrule my maestro.

[Andrew Walsh]

Did I totally wore out. Did you mention the thing you can sign up for free trial class? Did we get to that part? Okay, sorry, my apologies. My apologies. I just. I knew that I might be wrong about that, but it was important for me just to make sure that we got the entire dazzling donor message in there in case I was.

[Luke Burbank]

Your punishment is now you have to sign up for a free trial class.

[Andrew Walsh]

And it's not a punishment, folks. It's.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh yeah, good punishment. No, but that you can get a free trial class by going to KMC

[Andrew Walsh]

district.com now, should I maestro myself or like, what. What's my.

[Luke Burbank]

Please don't maestro yourself.

[Andrew Walsh]

You'll go blind.

[Luke Burbank]

Love of God on your.

[Andrew Walsh]

Get set, get set now. Ready, ready, go. Everybody rattle.

[Luke Burbank]

Settle. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well. It is our friend and I am talking about maybe one of our most OG listeners and friends. It's our buddy Nick Kennedy in Tacoma, Washington, pronounced Targus.

[Andrew Walsh]

Targus.

[Luke Burbank]

We may have known about Nick. We probably did know about Nick, you know, through emails and other communiques. But when he really exploded into our consciousness was we. I think we had some kind of a segment which, by the way, was pretty good idea, I think, which was like, what are you. What are you doing while you listen to tbtl?

[Andrew Walsh]

We call it what are you doing here? Isn't that what you call it?

[Luke Burbank]

What are you doing here? Probably and. Or with some kind of a segment about listening. Like, yeah, how do you. What are you. What are you doing while also listening to tbtl or maybe what is. What is the job that you do While listening to TBT? Anyway, Nick the time was driving a drug van and I want to clarify legal prescription drugs, I think maybe being delivered to maybe senior living facilities or something like that, but would drive around in. In this drug van listening to TBTL and gave us a full account of it. And it was. It was maybe one of the first good segments we'd ever done. So Nick really made an impression. Nick says, hey, I just wanted to plug ktqalp, my little low power community radio station over here in Tacoma.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, cool.

[Luke Burbank]

That's so cool. KTQA LP. We're a 100% volunteer run station and I've been the volunteer music director and the voice of the concert calendar for the past several years. Nick, this is frigging awesome. We've got tons of locally made shows and music along with old episodes of Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar overnight.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, nice, Andrew.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you kidding me? The transmitter is only 25 watts, so our broadcast radius is only a few miles. But you're in Tacoma proper and east of Union Avenue. You can listen at 95.3fm. Anyone else can stream online or donate much needed [e-mail] as I say at the end of each one of my concert calendars, be safe, do good, have fun and go see a show.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is what's happening.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a live look. KTQA Tacoma 95. Three your rock.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't recognize this song and I have no information about it, so I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's see. Do you think the discord would tell us they've got a discord?

[Andrew Walsh]

Maybe. I. I don't want to keep it up too long because.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you worried we'll get pulled down somewhere?

[Andrew Walsh]

Hand slapped?

[Luke Burbank]

Why is KTQA allowed to play it but we're not?

[Andrew Walsh]

Because they pay rights fees.

[Luke Burbank]

Debatable. Let's see here. I'm kicking on the web. I'm clicking. Oh, you know what I'm.

[Andrew Walsh]

And also because it's not a. Oh, nice. Oh, nice. Use the TBTL card for that. Make it a TBTL donation.

[Luke Burbank]

So you're saying that if you. Oh yeah, you know what? That's a great idea. If only I knew that was. You know what I'm going to do.

[Andrew Walsh]

The best defense that John and I have against you raiding our fund is the fact that you don't.

[Luke Burbank]

I do not know how to get rid of funds. Yeah, I think that's by design. I think that. I think that John had them send me a disappearance.

[Andrew Walsh]

It would be so funny if you got your card in the mail. And it's the kind we used to play with when we were kids because they would come in the mail, but they were just like blank cards. Did you get that? Like, now they're cardboard. If they show up at all when we were kids for like promotional things, they would just mail out things that looked and felt exactly like plastic credit cards. Then your parents would give it to you and you could play with it.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I. I remember those coming in the mail sometimes time and, and, and, yeah, like being. Feeling like Putting one in my wallet. Like, I think I had a wallet that I made at, like, when I was in Royal Rangers, which was the Christian Boy Scouts. I achieved the rank of straight arrow. And I think we made wallets at one point. I remember just, like, putting one of those, like, fake, God knows where it was from kind of cards in there and just, like, walking around like, I'm really somebody. I'm really ready to take on the world.

[Andrew Walsh]

There are so few memories I have left of my childhood that I have not already tried to exploit on the show. But you just brought up something that I'm remembering, and the details of this are fuzzy, but I also had a wallet. I had a wallet at a pretty young age that I did not have cash. Like, I wasn't a kid who made money by doing chores around the house. I just did a lot of chores, and then my parents bought me what I needed or whatever. Right. But I didn't have cash, But I did have. Have wallets. And I had a wallet that was like a vinyl, colorful wallet. I want to say green and yellow. I'm not sure. With the Velcro. Right. It was a trifold, but it had the Velcro. Yeah. You rip it up as a straight band of black Velcro that would match up perfectly. And I just remembered it well. And I definitely had a library card in there. I probably had, I'm guessing maybe a fake credit card. I don't really know what else, but, like, a couple of other. Maybe a couple of notes that I'd written myself. I don't know what I carried around in this, but it wasn't, like, fake money. It was something I literally carried around, like, out with me. And one time I lost my wallet. I'm just recalling this right now. So I'm trying desperately to remember any details, but it's going to be a little bit foggy. But I lost my wallet somewhere, and I don't know where it was. We might have been on vacation, or maybe I just lost it somewhere around town or Cleveland or something like that. And I think I was bummed out. Probably that's the safest place to lose your wallet because the bartender will take care of it for you. I lost it on the E Line. No, I don't know where I lost it, but I remember I lost it, but I don't think it was. I was probably bummed about it as a kid, but I don't remember being like. I don't remember being crushed or anything. But what I do remember is somebody found this wallet and got it back to my dad.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And. But I remember my dad saying, like, hey, good news. Like, we got your wallet back. Somebody sort of found it. And I think he even soft pedaled it for me. I'm trying to remember, but I think he said something like. Like, yeah, like, don't be insulted, but I think they knew that it was a kid's wallet. And I think he said it that way. Or he just said, yeah, they knew it was a kid's wallet, so they wrote to me or whatever. But I remember being offended that they knew it was a kid's wallet. I either remember my dad telling me not to be offended and therefore being a little offended or just reaching that offense all by myself and, like, just being like, what do you mean it's a kid's wallet? It's a wallet like anybody else's wallet. I was glad.

[Luke Burbank]

Library card.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's got some.

[Luke Burbank]

Some money that I made with crayons.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. It's got the coupons.

[Luke Burbank]

Treasure map. Yeah, I know that feeling, though. Like, you were feeling so grown up with your wallet that you were like, you know.

[Andrew Walsh]

You mean it's a kid's wallet?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, Nick, thank you for being so generous to TBTL and just being such a pal to the show. And we love to see you out at events and all those things. Like, you are forever in our minds the king of ska. And we thank you, buddy. That's still on ktqa.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was wondering what the heck that was. You just hit play.

[Luke Burbank]

I was gonna play the top story sounder, but I still had it on ktqa and that was literally just. I think they were reaching. Okay. All right, everybody calm down. I don't know how to turn it off.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's the. It's like a PO Book about a community run radio station.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. The telltale. The telltale low, low power FM station. Okay, I'm gonna try it again. I'm very scared, Andrew, but let's try this. Okay, we're back, everybody. We're back.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

We don't have to belabor this too much, but there is this story that I saw out of Texas with this judge, and his name is Nathan Miller on, and he is. I'm not sure exactly what his sort of level of. I get the sense he's kind of a relatively new judge. I think he's been maybe since 2024 or something. Like, he's not like, you know, he's not the judge from my cousin Vinny, you know, who's like a kind of an older person who's been in the job for a million years. He's kind of on the younger side for this, but he's going, as they say, viral. Because there was this moment in his courtroom recently where he was having basically, like, a technical issue where there was something going on at his, like, literally, like, his console where he sits as the judge with, like, the computer and stuff. And it was something, I think was some audio. And so he finally, like, got the IT guy out to diagnose it. And the IT guy comes out, and this is while court is going on. And the IT guy basically can't reproduce the problem, which, by the way, happens a lot. If you ever worked in an office environment and you were having an issue. And he is so mean to this IT guy. I have the audio here that like, basically, like Houston Public Radio, other lawyers, everyone is like, being like, dude, you need to apologize to this IT guy guy. And then he's going crazy trying to, like, call the lawyers. The lawyers that have said to him through email, that was rude. He's trying to basically hold them up on, like, basically, like, contempt charges and things. Just play you the audio here. This is the. The. The judge is. He's sitting at his desk, and then he's getting out of the way so that the IT guy can come in and try to help him fix the problem, which the IT guy cannot reproduce. And then he steps away. Here, take a listen.

[Andrew Walsh]

And you're disjoint from the audio here. It. Yeah, should be. Sorry, Mar. Did I make this up?

[Luke Burbank]

No. So he's saying. The judge is saying to somebody else in the court, did I make this up? Which, by the way, is already passive aggressive. Like, I didn't make this up. Because, again, the IT guy cannot see the problem. It's not reproducing for the IT guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Five seconds.

[Luke Burbank]

One second.

[Andrew Walsh]

You don't have to go far. You're disjoined. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

You're good. Okay. False alarm. No, it wasn't a false alarm.

[Luke Burbank]

So, yeah, the IT guy says false alarm. Just jovially.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And this little a hole of a judge is like, no, it wasn't a false alarm. It's like, oh, who cares? The system is working, dude. Just like, whatever.

[Andrew Walsh]

False negative. Don't joke around. I'm serious about this. It was happening. I can. I understand.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm just saying I can't see it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sir, we're good. Thank you. Get out of my courtroom.

[Luke Burbank]

Find his supervisor. He just said find. Sick and tired of this today he said, find his supervisor.

[Andrew Walsh]

And then he said, I'm sick. And because I read a. Right. This is the first time I'm hearing it and watching along because I had this queued up all day yesterday. I was excited for us to get to it. We didn't. For real, because this is a, you know, people being a little bit bullying is a. Is Mike is my T spot. It's my T zone. But anyway. Yeah. And that. I did not know that. He then said, fucking bull. He didn't say the F word. I'm sorry. But he said, this is bullshit. Like, what the heck?

[Luke Burbank]

He said, find his supervisor. I'm tired of this bullshit. Like, because the IT guy dared to just say, like, well, maybe it was a false alarm. All he was trying to say is, it's working now. Maybe it was a false alarm. And this judge is so, so brittle. And so. And by the way, this turns out to be a pattern in this guy's life. So another attorney who saw this, like, who practices, you know, law and occasionally is in the court of this. Of this judge. Another attorney saw the judge treating the IT guy this way and emailed him and said, you really need to apologize to him.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good.

[Luke Burbank]

This judge then said, I'm calling you into court because this is ex parte communication. Ex parte communication, meaning there is a trial going on, but the attorneys are trying to communicate outside of the normal channel of communication. And this other attorney pointed out to the judge, I don't have any cases in front of you. This can't be ex parte communication. Because in other words, this attorney said, dude, that was rude. And this judge said, get your ass in front of me from a legal standpoint, because what you're doing is illegal communication by telling me that that was rude, which it's clearly not. Then there are these other Houston public media, I believe, on the case. God loves them. Was like, finding all these other emails from this judge where basically, like, anytime he's slightly miffed about something, he's like sending emails in all caps, ending them with like, this is a direct order.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, this power trip. I don't like.

[Luke Burbank]

He is power tripping on the highest level. And I'm so. I'm like, so glad that he got caught in this moment of being rude to this IT guy. Because interestingly, I think, enough. This whole kind of world of content is something that I'm oddly familiar with because of, again, my incessant TikTok scrolling, which there's a whole world of TikTok that's Just basically court stuff. And the way that the algorithm. Well, the kind of court content that gets a lot of clicks and engagement, I guess, is like, when you have these judges and they seem to weirdly be in Bexar County, Texas, which, by the way, is confusing because it's spelled. Spelled like Bexar. It's like B, E, X, A, R. This guy's not in. I don't think this guy's in Bexar

[Andrew Walsh]

county, but this guy is in Texas County.

[Luke Burbank]

He's in Harris County. Okay. There's this whole. There's these two judges in Bexar county that really get on my nerves because basically they are judges who are working in courtrooms where because of probably whatever the local law is, it's all. All of the proceedings are on film or, you know, on. On video. And. And what they tend to do is go on these long rants and speeches about the. About basically the people who were brought before them to, like, teach them some Texas justice.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Or to, like, give them a speech about, you know, how their actions and, like. Yeah, okay. If somebody's actions have harmed other people and they're found guilty of it, they should obviously be punished for that. But you can spare me with the moralizing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, of course.

[Luke Burbank]

You can spare me with the histrionics. You can spare me with a lot of this that these judges are now doing because they're becoming Internet celebrities. Because when they go off on someone, the Internet clips it, and then the headline on Tick Tock is like, judge destroys entitled.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, bank robber. Entitled bank robber. Didn't see this sentence coming. And it feels like such a perversion of our justice system like that, that this is so far outside of what judges should ever be doing. In my opinion, they should be. You know, have they looked at the statue of the scales of justice lady, blindfolded, holding scales, mute.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, they were looking at the Ten Commandments on the walls.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, precisely. And it's that exact kind of bs and it really also. It really bothers me that I continue to watch it sometimes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And also, I mean. And don't you sort of feel like kind of like the copaganda that we grew up with and it's still going on now, but, like, you know, like, think about.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, you make that up.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, that's a. That's a copaganda. That's like the genre of all the, like, pro.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Types of TV show.

[Luke Burbank]

I'd never heard that was called Cop Again. That's pretty clever.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now, that You've heard it. I think you'll probably see it all over the place. But like, you know, people talk about propaganda a lot, but they don't talk about like also this sort of aspect of what we see. Like we love it if it's like, you know, we're watching some TV show and we're seeing some like judge articulately and unflinchingly go after a defendant, right. And really can moralize from the bench. And it's like this way of like, you know, it's, it's, it's these frickin judges can like kind of get on their high horse and put on a show for everybody and say, you know, and talk tough. And I just want to go back to this video for a second because again, I had seen the still image of it and I hadn't. I was seriously waiting to hit play so I could watch along with the audio when we got to it in the show. And there's just something about body language that I think is important as well. Like first of all, that audio is so kind of weird anyway, but it's hard to follow. You know, you sort of hear the IT guy joking a little bit, but like you need to know. And he kind of laughs. He's actually kind of got an endearingly goofy laugh. And when you see him, like when you, he's. He's got a tech vest, he's wearing a hoodie on.

[Luke Burbank]

Does he have like sunglasses like maybe in his hair?

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm doing this from memory now. So he's wearing a hoodie, he's wearing a red hoodie. Oh yeah, he does have, he has sunglasses up on his head. He looks very casual. But he also didn't know that he was going to be appearing in court this day. But his, his attitude when he sort of laughs and like he's, he's laughing in a way not at the judge. I want to make that very clear. He's laughing in a disarming way. He's like trying to like it's nervous

[Luke Burbank]

laughter as a way to try to make it less weird.

[Andrew Walsh]

He's in front of people, you know, probably physically and obviously, you know, digitally here on whatever the stream is and, and he's, and you know who he looks like. You know what we need to do, we, the only way we can create a positive out of this is we need to recreate this scene and we need Bob Odenkirk to play the judge and the kid, he does look like Bob Odenkirk and the kid Miro to play the IT guy. Do you know what Jesus and Miro look like? I do know Jesus and Miro, yes, exactly. And this guy looks like the kid Miro who has, like, him a very infectious smile when you see this. I smile like he's just coming off as, like, so sweet. I want to make it very clear. This is. We've all dealt with IT people at some point, right, where they, like, kind of talk down to you or something,

[Luke Burbank]

and they're, like, dumb that you don't know how to fix it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, I'm hoping the IT person at your local newspaper responds to you with,

[Luke Burbank]

like, they have an IT person at

[Andrew Walsh]

the Daily News later on today. But, like, yeah, it really bums me out to see some guy like, the judge literally takes the smile off of this guy's face. Like, he is there to help. He turns out he doesn't need much, but he's. He's seriously not trying. He's not grumpy. He's not talking down to the judge. He's trying to make everybody feel okay in this moment, which is not his job as an IT person. And the judge tells him to stop. He basically says, wipe that smile off your face, basically, is what he's doing here. And I don't like it.

[Luke Burbank]

This same judge is, by the way, up on. He's being fined because he has not filed certain, like, disclosures about. Because this is the. This particular position is an elected position. You know, his. So he ran for office and he won. But there are certain kind of financial filings that you need to do as a judge, which he hasn't done because, again, Houston public media. Go Houston public media for unearthing this. So he's. I don't think that the allegation is that he's been, you know, taking bribes or anything, but it's just, like, he's not up to date on certain things he's supposed to have filed, like, with the court. So he's like, not only is he. We would appear to be a jerk, but he's not even really dotting his eyes and crossing his. T's the way that, you know, you should if you have that jerk job. I don't know if anyone's talking about, like, bringing him up on. I don't know what the, like, process is. I don't think he can be removed from office for being rude to the IT guy. But I sure hope that this begins a. Just an avalanche of. For this guy. You know what I mean? I just hope. I just hope that he Becomes the least I hope unlike like, whereas for our friend Lindy West, I feel like I don't. I wish the Internet would leave her alone a little bit right now. I hope the Internet becomes deeply fascinated with this judge.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

Just like decides to really, you know, in a safe, in a non physically threatening way, decides to really just kind of like, I don't know, let's, let's, let's do, let's, let's make sure that he feels a certain amount of regret about being rude to. This is by the way, the own, this is the person that he was caught on camera doing to it, doing this to. I'm sure that if this is how this person is going through life, there are a lot of people that he has mistreated because he seems to be, be incredibly entitled. And I would just really like for him to learn that this is not how you treat people. I mean, I would personally like him to lose his job again. I don't think this is probably a fireable offense or a removable offense, but I would like, he just comes off as a bully and I would like him to get his comeuppance.

[Andrew Walsh]

And these folks have so much power over other people's lives, you know what I mean? Like, and again, not. I'm sure that some people stand in front of him and deserve, you know, whatever sentences they're receiving, but also like when you know that somebody is so volatile like this and they hold and it's like, is it a good day where he feels like everything is bullshit or a bad day where he feels like everything is bullshit? And how is that going to impact how many years I'm in jail or prison or on parole?

[Luke Burbank]

That's the thing, that's the thing that I've noticed from watching a lot of this court stuff. Well, there's really weirdly, there's like two things that are happening sort of at the same time. One is that in a lot of places and in a lot of instances, judges actually have almost no decision making power when it comes to sentencing because there are mandatory minimums, there are sentencing guidelines, there are things where the legislatures of states have tied judges hands because they feel like we don't want liberal judges giving someone a free break.

[Andrew Walsh]

Break.

[Luke Burbank]

So if there is an instance where somebody has committed a crime but for extenuating circumstances or for reasons that are apparent to the judge that maybe this person could be rehabilitated or could do probation or there could be some alternate sentencing, they're often not even allowed to do that because the Rules are the rules. And it just has to do with what the crime was they pled guilty to and what their, you know, priors were. That also has a lot to do with. There's. There's like, a criminal score that you have sometimes. So if you've done crimes before, that adds to your time, et cetera. So on the one hand, you have judges without enough power to actually maybe think in a more restorative way about how they're sentencing folks. So that's one side of the deal. And then on the other hand, yeah, there are a million little ways that judges have a lot of impact on people's life. One of the things people don't realize is, like, being on probation is not a joke, actually. Like, people. People. If people hear that someone's on probation or parole, it's like, oh, all they got was probation. It's like, it is really easy to mess up probation. You could. You can find yourself in a lot of trouble for, you know, if you're on one of those ankle monitors, which they've got half of America on now, and you're not, you know, in the right part of your house, and the alarm goes off, that's a probation violation. You then have to, like, you could literally be in your house and have the ankle monitor go. Go off for no reason. But your probation officer gets an alert that you are out of compliance. Now you've got to go to court. You're now in a probation violation situation. You got to explain to the judge why this happened. Now, in that case, the judge could either go, okay, or the judge could go, I don't care what your story is. You violated your probation. You're going to jail. You know, there are all these. So that's a small matter that the judge does have control over. So. And that could totally change the course of your life. Or you could be on parole. Parole, same thing. You could have a suspended sentence, which means essentially, like, you have three years left on your sentence, but instead of doing that last three years in the, you know, in the. In the prison, you're allowed to do it on community supervision, which means you live at your house, but we're watching you really closely. And if you violate that, you go back to jail. For those. That's something judges have a lot of control over. So there are these small ways that judges have a huge impact on people's lives, but not necessarily in the ways that we think about in terms of how they sentence people. People. And in all of this, again, you have these judges that end up on the Internet who are so theatrical and volatile and making it about them. There's this one guy, and I can't remember his name, but there's this one particular judge who's just like. You can tell that he just, he can tell in the moment when he's lecturing someone or practicing his tough love that he can feel this is one that's going to really go viral. And it just, it just has the back of my neck. Has the hairs on the back of my neck up so far because it's like, like you said, Andrew, it's like the idea that you're as a. And again, if somebody commits a crime and they're convicted of it, I believe that we should have, you know, punishment for that stuff. But the idea that like so much of, of the fate of people who are caught up in the, in the legal system is about the mood the judge is in. Yeah, it's like so messed up. That should so not be part of, of, of of of sort of how this goes down. I mean, that is, that's not how it's designed. And, and so it's also, it's interesting to me, not to belabor this, but it's interesting to me. This judge, it's. Again, I don't know. I mean, I actually think also this judge tends to rule on matters that. I think it's civil court and I think it's a lot of like, technical shit with like, you know, tax law and stuff. So it's not particular, it's not as sexy as the toothbrush, but like, there is a world in which this judge could just be going off on defendants and being wildly unhinged and it wouldn't even. No one would bat an eye. But it's because he was being rude to the IT guy that we're all talking.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, I'm glad, I'm glad at least this happened. But I think we should be mad at more of these judges, I guess is my point.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'd like to get this I T person on the podcast or a podcast. I'd like, wonder what the rules are around that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah, he's probably.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, he. I'll bet you he's super careful. I bet you he would not want. You know what I mean? He just. Yeah, from, from this two second video I've watched. My guess is he's just like, I do not want any more smoke about this. I was just trying to help somebody log into their computer.

[Luke Burbank]

But this is one of those rare instances where like the Person who is being mistreated is. Now, of course, everyone. I'm. I'm sure everyone loves this guy. I'm sure this guy is like being, you know, appreciated and fetid on the Internet and all that stuff. And the guy who's being a jerk is being vilified. And like, that's how rare is that in life that someone is unnecessarily mean to someone who's I guess a subordinate of theirs in some way and they get caught doing it and now they're getting like yelled at for it by the Internet. Like, I. Can you imagine how delicious this is for the. It. Yeah, whatever he's on the record is saying, he's just got to be at home with some popcorn. Just fully. Just like go for it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let's milkshake. Duck the heck out of that kid.

[Luke Burbank]

That's all I'm saying. Wait, reverse milkshake.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I know. I'm just joking.

[Luke Burbank]

Please. Are you. Were you just bringing up some music there?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, sorry. That's a saw that you heard in the background. It's just a little bit. We found.

[Luke Burbank]

We were still getting Nick's low power radio station.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, unfortunately, we found some. This is really what you want. We found some.

[Luke Burbank]

That's what I want.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, we found some moisture. Some pretty significant moisture in our wall. But it's like right where the main shutoff valve that where the water comes into our houses. So it's unclear whether or not it's a plumbing issue or just a seepage issue. And we can't at this point figure out which one to root for. I think I'm rooting for plumbing, but.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. Because if the pipe. If it's a plumbing issue that the water's coming from the pipe, if it's not the pipe, what would that be? Like groundwater.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Like some sort of seepage. Yeah. Which I'm. But it's the fact that it's right by. The fact that it's right by the water input makes me think it might be the water thing. But I don't know how you would fix that though, because the pipe. Pipe. We can't shut it off. You know what I mean? It would be on the other side of the shut off valve, if that makes any sense. Like we couldn't shut off the water to.

[Luke Burbank]

Is the shut off valve outside?

[Andrew Walsh]

The shut off valve is inside and right where. And it's in the psych. It's in the very back of the storage area that we never even saw it because we just had a bunch of Boxes and stuff there. But now that everything's pulled out, how

[Luke Burbank]

do you consider putting the boxes back?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. Just the whole thing. Just that whole thing.

[Luke Burbank]

That's. Oh, man. I don't. Again, I hope you know I'm not trying to laugh at your frustration, but I know that feeling, too. Just like, what if we just put the Sheetrock back up and we didn't talk about knob and tube?

[Andrew Walsh]

What if we just went back to Hawaii?

[Luke Burbank]

I just want to go to sleep. I want to wake up after this. No, never wake up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, never. I just want to go into the chamber.

[Luke Burbank]

There's a right way to ride A wrong way to roll?

[Andrew Walsh]

You can just listen to your song. Just remember that life is number one. You can be having so much fun. Just remember that life is much fun.

[Luke Burbank]

You can be nothing but one.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right. You know, Luke, we didn't do blurzes last week. I keep checking and rechecking my email to make sure I'm not missing anything here, but we are not overflowing with.

[Luke Burbank]

It's not leaking, it's overflowing.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was waiting for that. Now what I'm seeing here in my inbox as I keep checking and rechecking is some blur safe, which I'll share with you in a moment. But I also got this email. I got two emails from listener Dan, and I have not responded to them yet. And I apologize. But I'm wondering, wondering if Dan wants me to promote this or not. But I'm going to promote it anyway. And if it's a mistake, then I will just figure it out. Dan has invited me. He says, I heard you mention that you're learning to keep score, like how to score baseball games this year. Now, the truth of the matter is I've only done it for half of a game that I was watching on YouTube from like the 90s. I haven't actually fully learned how to do it. I was learning how to do it and then I saw something shiny and I followed. And then I stopped doing it. But it was a lot of fun. And I still like to think that someday I will be more of a baseball scorekeeper. But it says, Dan says, I've heard you mention learning to keep score this year. I've been score keeping at games since I was a kid and seeing games at the Kingdome. It's something I. It's something I really enjoy. This year I'm starting a scorekeeping meetup at Mariners games if you're interested. I'd love to have you come. Here's some info. So if anybody is interested in being hooked up with Dan about this, why don't you email me andrewbtl.net and I will connect you with Dan. And Dan, if you weren't inviting a bunch of tens to this event and were just inviting me, well, we're bringing a big crew of friends, my friend. I don't know what to tell you.

[Luke Burbank]

That sounds great. So you basically now I don't know if Dan is volunteering. It sounds like Dan is volunteering to kind of of like, you know, do some tutoring on how to actually do the scorekeeping.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that. It sounds more like, hey, these are a bunch of people who like to keep score during a game. Like, my friend Paul always brings a score book when he's going to a game with me or whatever. And so I think that they've maybe bought a group of tickets in a certain part of the park where they can all sit together maybe. Or you can buy tickets in this grouping and you can just be there with all your other scores, keeping friends. I don't know if it's a tutorial so much as a fun way. People, yeah, sure. I'm sure people would look out for me, for each other, I would guess. But anyway, says, join Seattle's community of scorekeepers for learning. Learning, Luke. Camaraderie and magical days and nights at T mobile park. That is a beautiful. That is a beautiful park. I don't think I can make this upcoming event, but I, I, I will be going to the park when the weather warms up a bit. That's for dang sure. I'm looking forward to some more, like, some more consistently warm days before I, before I show my face over there. Are you interested in hearing some blur stays, Luke?

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I've been on tenter hooks ever since last Thursday when we didn't do them.

[Andrew Walsh]

How excited are you? I'm trying to do crowd work. I can't hear you. All right, this is how blur stays work. You can email me andrewbtl.net and wish yourself or somebody you love or care about a happy blurs day. And we got a handful of these here. Here's one that starts off. Hey, dad, remember that time you got a birthday message from that show you always listen to? Could they do one for me? Absolutely. Happy 10th birthday to Grant. Mom and dad have been so blessed in watching you blossom into a wonderful, loving and kind young moment. Man, you inspire us every day to be the best version of ourselves and cherish opportunities to Celebrate your highs and support your lows. Happy birthday, kid. You are doing just fine. Love, mom, dad and Cece.

[Luke Burbank]

Cute.

[Andrew Walsh]

The last word there that I said, the last name is spelled C E. C E. So is that CC do

[Luke Burbank]

you think that's what I would go

[Andrew Walsh]

in cake it Cici. This one simply says wishing a very happy blursday to my favorite favorite 10, Tim from your Forever 11, Alan. Very sweet. Despite that inappropriate sound effect that Luke just played. We all know what that sound is. It's not a spring, my friend.

[Luke Burbank]

I. Dude, it's April in the sea, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, it's April. We call today's show April in the tack.

[Luke Burbank]

There you go.

[Andrew Walsh]

Melissa in Omaha says happy blursday to Kevin. He will never do this himself, so I'm sending in his blurs day note for him. His birthday is March 31 and is often overshadowed by our son's birthday on April 2. I know this shout out will make his day. What were you gonna say?

[Luke Burbank]

I was gonna say kids are always stealing the spotlight.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

This is your day, Kevin.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you're the goat. Happy blursey to Kevin. I'm reading this on his kid's birthday.

[Luke Burbank]

As my mom once said. As my mom once said, when I had bought this little silly, like $20 karaoke mic thing at a gas station on my way to see my nieces and they had been using it and singing little songs on the microphone, my mom took the mic and said, they've had enough fun. That's what I would say to Kevin's kid today. You've had enough fun. Now it's the time to celebrate your dad.

[Andrew Walsh]

Never go full Susie. No, nothing like suit. Happy birthday to Alex from Christina and Ernest. What an eventful year. You are a wonderful partner to start a life with in a new city and I love seeing all of your joy in your new parenthood. Oh, can you congrats. Your smiles while playing with little baby Ernest are incredible. Enjoy becoming an Alaska Airlines devotee and may the sky jinx be few and far between. Happy blurs day, Alex.

[Luke Burbank]

Cute.

[Andrew Walsh]

Congrats to both of you.

[Luke Burbank]

Christina, that's for the baby, not how the baby was made. Andrew, get your mind out of the gutter.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is also in. Oh, go ahead.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, that's the thing the baby's doing there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Diaper says, enjoy becoming an Alaska Airlines devotee. Does that mean or devotee?

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe.

[Andrew Walsh]

Does that mean? At first I thought it was a job, but maybe it means more like a lot of flying so that family can see little earnings that's what I'm

[Luke Burbank]

guessing is that maybe there's going to be some back and forth thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I wanted to ask you about that. Yeah, actually, did you. I noticed a couple of days ago that my Alaska, my Alaska Airlines app, the icon changed to show Alaska and Hawaiian, which is interesting. It happened about three days too late for me, or maybe literally two days too late because I was flying a la. I was flying Hawaiian via Alaska, but it wasn't all integrated into the app when I was doing that the other day, but then the icon changed for me. Did you notice that they're all under one?

[Luke Burbank]

I noticed that this morning because I was. I've got to go to LA for work next week and I was, I booked the travel. Let's, let's take it to the most interesting place but possible. I booked the travel through something called Concur. But then once it's booked, I go into the Alaska app on my phone just to see if it, like, if it did it right. And yeah, this morning I booted that thing up and I was like, what in the, what in the world is this? But I'm sure that like many things, I will adjust to it over time. It's obvious that like they, you know, they bought Hawaiian Airlines or they acquired Hawaiian Airlines and so they, they, they want to really kind of be clear about the association now. I guess it's interesting because it means Hawaiian must be a really big part of their business.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I guess they're going to share

[Luke Burbank]

half of the app, real estate, at least on the tile with Hawaiian that, you know, that means it's a big part of their thing now.

[Andrew Walsh]

It reminded me of something else I wanted to talk to you about, which has nothing to do with blurs days. And it's pretty inappropriate for me to bring up as a topic this late in the show with this music underneath me, but I don't care, Luke. I'm a rat. Speaking of app icons on our phone, it has been my. I was blown away by something the other day, joyfully, I think, but also just mind bogglingly, it's been my experience, or at least my, I guess noted experience, that the apps on my phone, the little icons will change every now and then, but it usually accompanies an update to that app. You know what I mean? Like, let's say I've got my little Reddit app icon and it's just a normal little orange guy there. But then maybe you do a quick. Your phone's like, hey, you have 15 updates pending. You want to Update these apps, you go, yeah. Then after they update, you might see, oh, Reddit has changed their logo a tiny bit. Or maybe they put a Santa hat on the guy for the holidays or something a little frivolous like that. And that. That happens from time to time. I have never experienced icons that can kind of change throughout the day. Actually, maybe that's untrue. Maybe I do have a clock icon that sort of changes throughout the day. But Genevieve, and this is just old school to her, I had no idea this is a thing. She is learning how to speak French on one of those, you know, language apps. Right. She's been doing it for like, oh, eight years now or something. And she starts the day it's Duolingo. Right. So what is that? A penguin? What is a little bird? Right? Whatever the duo lingo bird is.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I think it's a bird.

[Andrew Walsh]

I guess it starts.

[Luke Burbank]

It's been a while since I've checked

[Andrew Walsh]

my Duolingo, which I don't even tried it.

[Luke Burbank]

Not proud of.

[Andrew Walsh]

But anyway, it starts the day, I guess, all happy, just looking like a little logo. But then throughout the day starts getting angrier and redder and it's Tamagotchi.

[Luke Burbank]

You're not feeding.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And then until you do your lessons and it's kind of a warning because, like, you kind of need to stay on top of it, otherwise you kind of lose rewards and all this stuff or so Genevieve is. It's a. They gamify language learning in a really, I think, effective way. From what I hear from Genevieve, it's cool. But I didn't know that an app can just continue to change throughout the day based on your interaction with it. And I think that's awesome. Do you have any apps like that on your smartphone?

[Luke Burbank]

No, No, I don't. I'm looking. Well, that. Not that I know of. I did, you know, sign up for Duolingo years ago. I did probably use it for about one to four hours.

[Andrew Walsh]

Must be so angry at you now. It's just like a blast black dot

[Luke Burbank]

now so much in the corner of my phone. Sharpening a knife on the palm of its other hand.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's sharpening like a toothbrush. It's just like so shiv.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to. No, I don't look. Oh, I do still have Duolingo. He is still. Because it's been so long that the app hasn't been updated. You know what I mean?

[Andrew Walsh]

It's.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know what it looks like on your phone, but what I'VE got is a little cloud. This is what it looks like on an iPhone phone when you have an app that the tile is there, but it's not active anymore because it's been so long. It'll have a little picture of the cloud and a little arrow pointing down, which indicates you need to down. You need to re download this for this to be effective. So this, this little birdie looks happy. As happy as a jaybird. But that's only because he hasn't actually connected back up to the, you know, the cloud. And he like, when I download this, it will be very mad at me

[Andrew Walsh]

because you got a new phone in the past half a year or so, right? Or am I. Or do you need a new phone?

[Luke Burbank]

Which, by the way, I dropped in the hot tub the other day.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. It is a new phone. I'll bet you that's it too. It probably transferred your apps over, but you did. That one is inactive, so it didn't actually download.

[Luke Burbank]

But I did do a stress test on if the new iPhone is waterproof and I can report it is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, Just dropped it right in there, huh?

[Luke Burbank]

Not on purpose, but I just, you know, I was like sitting in the hot tub. I was looking at something on my phone and then I bumped my arm in a funny way and it fell in and I was like, like it was crazy. I was like my whole life of my phone flashed before my eyes. And then I was like, it is supposed to be water. I snatched it out of there. Zero problems.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's amazing. You didn't have to remember putting phones. I didn't have to put in any rice, man.

[Luke Burbank]

Again, I'm not going to do it again. Like, I know I'm not going to test this any further, but I can say that the, whichever version I have, which is one of the newer ones, it, it is as advertised. It did not do anything to the phone that I can tell.

[Andrew Walsh]

You're not gonna be like Lil Wayne walking through the store pouring champagne on it. Was that Lil Wayne in that conversation?

[Luke Burbank]

I think that was Lil Wayne. Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Kind of miss him. He's. Oh, is he okay? You know, let's not examine it.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I mean, look, I, I, I think Lil Wayne is, I see him pop up. Like, I, occasionally I'll see him pop up at a show. Often on somebody else's show. You know what I mean? Like, he'll come out and do like a guess thing. I don't know if he's been touring in a while. He seems like he's Lil Wayne, right? I mean, I don't know if anyone else has been able to consume as much scissor up as he has over the years.

[Andrew Walsh]

Remember he went to, he went to the hospital because of that. Do you remember that? He actually did have an issue with that. Yeah, he drank so much one time that he was actually hospitalized, unfortunately.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I know it's something that like people around him have kind of been. There's been documentaries and other things where people have kind of said, yeah, we're a little worried on that. But then. And so sometimes I, sometimes I do worry about that, about Lil Wayne and then I just see him up on somebody's track or him somewhere saying something. He seems like he's Lil Wayne in Nice.

[Andrew Walsh]

Keep on Lil Wayne. That's what the blurs day people are here for. Us just speculating on the well being of Lil Wayne.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm finding my place by the way. Here it is in life. Yes. And also I just don't want this show to end. I'm having so much fun. But it has to end at some point and it's going to end with this. A note from Kelly and Sandy who says, I'd like to wish my boss 10 sister Annie B. A spectacular golden blurs day. Annie is the best. I wonder if that's what the B stands for. Probably Annie is the best. She is kind, hilarious and the most amazing sister and auntie anyone could ask for. Cute. Oh, wow. Actually it's Boston. So would it be auntie? It's probably auntie, not auntie.

[Luke Burbank]

They say that Auntie.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think they. I think that's more of a new England. I think you would say aunt or auntie. More. More than ant like I did. I grew up.

[Luke Burbank]

Everything I know about Boston is from the town.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've never seen the town.

[Luke Burbank]

I haven't either. I didn't feel the need to. I was like, we get it. We get it. Southy Robbery Affleck.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm getting that one confused with another movie. It doesn't matter. All right, let's see here. So let's see here. I am so grateful to call her my sis. Here's to another wonderful year ahead full of laughter and wordles streaks. Here, here. My word.

[Luke Burbank]

Or consider not ever turning your computer off or the new wordle streak.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's the new wordle streak. My wordle streak, by the way, is not that impressive. I busted out a few weeks ago. Luke.

[Luke Burbank]

Are they making it harder? Are they running out of like. Are they? I thought I read somewhere. I don't know. Did we talk about. Well, they. They made a change to the rules, right, that they can reuse words now.

[Andrew Walsh]

They did, I think, because they were kind of running out of words and so now they're reusing words. And my streak is merely. Oh, it's embarrassing. It's only 27 days long.

[Luke Burbank]

That's not nothing.

[Andrew Walsh]

My max streak is 182. But anytime I even start to think about.

[Luke Burbank]

But that wasn't because you busted out, right? That was because you forgot.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, this one. I. I busted out. I can't remember what the word was anymore. I could look if you want me to because it's all greens until. Oh, this is funny. Oh, I see. I'm way far back. Did I just forget? No. Well, this is good. How are we doing with the ratings? How are we doing in the ratings? Here is the word that I.

[Luke Burbank]

Through the roof.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can you. Can you check that? Oh, okay. The word was. Well, I'll just walk you through this. I put in the word aired. That's my new starting word. It's never going to be aired because they don't use past tense that much. But it's A, I, R, E, D. I like the fact that it's got an A and I and an E in there right away. And R is not bad either. The D, but. So that's the word I start with. All gray, nothing in there. The next word. So I'm like, so there's no A's, I's, E's. So I try clout next. The only one that gives me, by the way, this is from a while back. This is from 28 days ago is the letter U and it's in the wrong place. That's all I know so far. So then I try. Try snuff, which is a really bad. I shouldn't have done that. I was probably just feeling lazy. But you shouldn't. When you're struggling that much, you only have one letter and it's still yellow. You don't even know where it is. Don't jump right into doing double letters at this point. You should be trying to use up as many letters of the Alphabet as possible to nail this down. But I went with snuff. You know, I was feeling really again, probably just like, oh, whatever, man about it. But then all it told me was I have an N and a U and they're still in the wrong place now.

[Luke Burbank]

So you haven't gone into the final. You're. This is your last guess.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, that was the first three. So snuff was my third guess. You have a total of six, but at that point you're kind of like, oh, damn dog. Okay, but they're not in the right place. So what are you going to try next? So I try nubby next. N, U, B, B, Y. Now going with a double B. Again, not super smart. It did put the U and the Y in the right place. So now I know it's a. Some. Some kind of. Of a word with a U and then ends in a Y, but the N is in the wrong place at the front. So nubby is not the word. And there are no be's in this word. I've learned that.

[Luke Burbank]

And the U is not the first letter.

[Andrew Walsh]

The U is definitely in the second place now. And the Y is definitely in the last place.

[Luke Burbank]

And how many spots are there?

[Andrew Walsh]

Five, six total. And now I'm moving on to my.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no, no. I mean, how many letters?

[Andrew Walsh]

Five. Five letters. Yeah, five letters. And so now you. Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

Blank. You blank. Blank. Why?

[Andrew Walsh]

And there's an N in there somewhere. And we know that the N is not the first letter. Okay, so we know that. So my next guess. And now I'm down to two guesses. You start sweating. At this point, I'm down to two guesses. My next guess is punky with a P. P, U, N, K, Y.

[Luke Burbank]

That doesn't want to burn.

[Andrew Walsh]

Punky. Oh, is that it? I was thinking Punky Brewster. Like I'm one.

[Luke Burbank]

Who's that a proper name?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, that would be. But I don't know why they accepted it. But I was sort of thinking like, I don'. Know, is he preppy? No, he's more punky. So anyway, I try punky. It turns out the unky is right, but the P is wrong. So it's something that ends in. Isn't it so confusing, Ron? It ends in unky. And I've only got one more.

[Luke Burbank]

Pronounced with an unky.

[Andrew Walsh]

Pronounced with an unky. Bring that back again.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, how I love to funk thee.

[Andrew Walsh]

So it's not punky. Have I used the letter F yet? Yes, I used F in snuff. And so I know it's not funky. I know know it's not punky. And I think at this point I have one guess left. And I know it can either be one of two words, hunky or gunky. Those are the last two options. But I've only got one guess. And at this point you're just like. You're just staring. You're just staring down the picture. You're Just like, what do you. What do you throw? Like, I don't know, what do you. What do you. What are you holding behind your back? And so I go with hunky. I'm drawn. You know what I mean? I'm thinking that's true to my life.

[Luke Burbank]

We go with what we know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hunky is what I put in there. The answer was gunky. And that's when I busted out 28 days ago, Luke.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, you were. You thought you were hunky, but you turned out to be gunky.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. So anyway, I just walked you through the time I busted out on Wordle about a month ago.

[Luke Burbank]

I enjoyed that, by the way. I think that was almost as interesting as my technical issues with the Daily News.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Well, if anybody ever asks you what is the Badlands? You can just direct them to this episode of tbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. All right. Hey, happy blurs day to everybody. That's going to bring us to the end of today's episode. But as you know, if you're still listening to this right now, you know that we're going to be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio. So please come on by for that. Y' all come back now here, as they used to say, I believe at the end of the Beverly Hillbillies.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

Keeping it current, Andrew. Always.

[Andrew Walsh]

I got a green acres reference for you to.

[Luke Burbank]

Will still be doing this show when the Beverly hillbillies show turns 100.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's an interesting question. When do you think it's got to be, like, 76?

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, it's had 50s or 60s.

[Andrew Walsh]

60s. I'm gonna say 60s.

[Luke Burbank]

We're not making it to that.

[Andrew Walsh]

But Beverly Hillbillies started as a black and white, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Then became color after. Over time.

[Luke Burbank]

Time did it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

I believe that. I remember watching the black and white version on like, you know, UHF on KTZZ or whatever.

[Andrew Walsh]

It aired from 62 to 71. So we'd have to work. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Put in another, what, 15 plus years. 16 years, which is sick.

[Andrew Walsh]

To 2062. It's only 2026 right now.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, geez.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, Well, I don't think. I mean, have you seen.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Have you just.

[Luke Burbank]

Have you seen the media landscape? This is pretty much my only reliable job.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, let me see here. I was born in 76, so I would be getting darn near. 90. Something late 80s. In 66, I'd be 90. So in 60.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's not rule it out. Let's not rule it out. Let's. You know what? It's good to have goals.

[Andrew Walsh]

It is. I'm going to go get another colonoscopy right now just to help my drunk. People are so meta.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, that's going to do it. But we'll see you tomorrow. In the meantime, have a great Thursday. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

You'll take care now, you hear?

[Luke Burbank]

Power out.