#4765 All The Double News You Can Double Use

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL #4765 — "All The Double News You Can Double Use"

Date: July 7, 2026

Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh

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Overview

This episode delivers classic TBTL energy: an easygoing blend of personal anecdotes, pop-culture deep-dives, and earnest-yet-amusing discourse about everything from sports scandals to legacy. Luke and Andrew riff on the fallout from the US Men’s National Soccer Team’s World Cup run (and Trump’s controversial interference), muse over the names for newsletters, and, in true TBTL fashion, spiral into everything from nose-blindness to the concept of "legacy"—all with new listeners in mind thanks to a bump in their Facebook presence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New Listeners, Old Anxieties ([03:13]–[06:00])

• The hosts acknowledge a recent influx of new listeners thanks to a mention on the Valley City Community Group’s Facebook page.
• Andrew gives a shout-out to "Sandra Capretta" for her kind blog comment.
• The guys discuss the pressure (and irony) that comes with knowing new people are tuning in — it tends to make them more self-conscious, which paradoxically leads to a sloppier show.
• Quote (Andrew):
  "We learned how to bring in new listeners to TBTL. And that is one Facebook post at a time." [02:57]
• Quote (Luke):
  "Whenever we think... there might be a chance that their parents would be listening, I'm just kind of minding my P's and Q's." [04:50]

2. Summer, Swimming & the 'Monkey House' Drop ([06:05]–[13:00])

• Anecdotes about getting into cold water: Andrew’s slow, zombie-like acclimation vs. Luke’s jump-right-in approach, and the metaphors attached.
• Amusing discussion about the etymology of "apotheosis" [09:09], and how incorrectly using big words can lead to unexpectedly hilarious detours.
• Pirate eye patch trivia—debunking myths and revealing the real reason pirates wore eye patches (to acclimate to sudden darkness below deck).
  Quote (Luke):
  "The patch would be tricking one of their eyes into thinking it was dark so when they went below deck, that eye did not need to adjust." [12:08]

3. Naming Newsletters & The Mastheads Riff ([13:02]–[18:00])

• Andrew brings up a story about Genevieve working on an internal UW newsletter, bemoaning the bland title “UW Today” and pitching zippier alternatives like “Double News You Can Double Use” or “Newsiversity of Washington.”
• Both reflect on how their perspective on clever naming has shifted: now, content trumps flashiness.
• Luke recounts anti-corporate backlash he gets for working at CBS (with people calling CBS "MAGA now"), despite just doing human-interest stories.
• They explore the difficulty of blaming whole organizations for the actions of owners/executives—a motif echoed later in the response to the soccer controversy.
  Quote (Luke):
  "What’s really gonna matter is the quality of the thing being made... I'm more afraid now of giving something a cool name that doesn't hold up." [15:04]

4. Decline and Fall of Trust in Institutions ([18:00]–[22:00])

• Conversation about how the media, and specifically the Washington Post, is perceived post-acquisition by billionaires like Jeff Bezos.
• Debate about whether personal boycotts (dropping The Post vs. Amazon) have real effect.
• Luke expresses discomfort at being lumped in as complicit with corporate leadership due to public perception.

5. The World Cup Disaster: Politics, Populism & Soccer ([37:17]–[57:10])

• Main news: The U.S. Men's National Team’s disastrous loss to Belgium after Trump intervened to reinstate a key player, Balogun, by leaning on FIFA—a move steeped in irony since Balogun was only eligible to play because of birthright citizenship.
• The Trump interference flipped public sentiment on the game—what started as a feel-good story of international cooperation became a story of "the U.S. cheating at soccer."
• Luke articulates ambivalence: even if the US had won, it would have felt tainted.
• Both reflect on how populist stunts affect politics, sports, and the tenor of public discourse.
• Quote (Luke):
  "It just goes down as the World Cup where Donald Trump’s attempts to cheat did not help... another cherry of humiliation placed atop the cake of embarrassment." [40:03, 41:16]
• Andrew admits to feeling relief at the US loss, simply to avoid Trump taking credit.
  Quote (Andrew):
  "I was kind of happy. I definitely was... because this means we don't get Trump to go out there tomorrow claiming this victory." [45:00]

Important Timestamps

• [37:17] – Soccer scandal breakdown
• [42:53] – Analysis of the US team’s poor performance
• [48:13] – Is populism more important than ideology now?

6. Online Backlash and the Function of Social Media ([34:30]–[37:17])

• How fear, anger, and the need for action spill into social media comments—often disconnected from the actual content being posted.
• Andrew reflects on the futility of constant online outrage.
• Luke seeks empathy for those lashing out: "It's not that they dislike me, but... they just feel like that's all they can do to push back."

7. Linguistics, Nose-Blindness, and the True Meaning of "Monkey House" ([58:17]–[63:05])

• Luke shares the backstory on the beloved TBTL drop: “You’ve been living in the monkey house,” quoting Tim Gunn from Project Runway.
• They clarify Gunn’s original intent: "Living in the monkey house" refers to becoming nose-blind (acclimated to bad conditions) rather than just being crazy.
• Amusing detour about how phrases and intent get lost over time. Quote (Tim Gunn via Luke):
  "When you first enter the monkey house at the zoo, you shriek 'this place stinks.' ... But after another ten minutes, you think, 'What smell?'" [61:26]

8. Legacy: A Mike Tyson Mic Drop ([63:06]–[74:24])

• Andrew tells of a heartfelt conversation about legacy, sharing the idea of how memories and meaning disappear with us if we have no descendants.
• A detour leads to a viral Mike Tyson clip where he tells a young interviewer:
  "I don’t believe in the word ‘legacy.’ I think that’s just another word for ego... I’m just passing through, I’m a die, and it’s going to be over. Who cares about legacy after that? ... We’re dust, we’re absolutely nothing." [69:48]
• Both marvel at Tyson’s candor, and how such an answer subverts the usual media narrative of “legacy.”
• Memorable Moment: The kid reporter maintains total composure after Tyson's existential monologue:
  "'Well, thank you for sharing that. That is something I've not heard before.'" [69:50]

9. Sports Radio, Counterprogramming, and the Joys of Being Out of Sync ([54:39]–[56:54])

• Andrew details listening to Brewers-Cardinals baseball instead of watching the soccer game, musing about his emotional disconnection from what “the country” is supposed to care about.
• Both acknowledge the magnetic pull of collective sporting moments, but also the freedom in missing out.

10. Will They Still Watch the World Cup? ([74:49]–[76:18])

• Luke says he’ll keep watching the World Cup, but will “pick a new team to root for.”
• He hopes for a new administration and a fresh U.S. squad next time.
• The episode wraps as the hosts look ahead to their live show in Valley City, Ohio.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Andrew (about his slow beach entry):
  "I'm just getting comfortable by the time the sun is setting." [09:17]
• Luke (on Trump’s sports ‘curse’):
  "I mean every...everything on the internet...was, 'this is what happens when Donald Trump weighs in.'" [41:16]
• Luke (on social media negativity):
  "It's just, I guess, whenever I'm talking to people who are following this story...it's odd to me just how strongly people feel." [26:05]
• Tim Gunn (via podcast clip):
  "After about twenty minutes, you think, 'It's not so bad.' And after another ten minutes, you think, 'What smell?'" [61:26]
• Mike Tyson:
  "I don't believe in the word 'legacy.' I think that's another word for ego. ... Who cares about legacy after that? We're dust. We're absolutely nothing." [69:48]
• Andrew (on team names):
  "I think the Daily is your black T-shirt and jeans." [28:07]

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Structure & Flow

• [00:00–03:00] Offbeat cold open and set-up
• [03:00–13:00] Listener influx, swimming musings, pirate eye-patch origin story
• [13:00–22:00] Naming newsletters/internal comms, corporate media anxieties
• [37:00–57:10] Deep-dive on the World Cup scandal, online outrage, populism
• [58:14–63:05] 'Monkey House' drop backstory, language exploration
• [63:05–74:24] The meaning of legacy and the Mike Tyson “ego” moment
• [74:49–end] Reflections on following the rest of the World Cup and show outro

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Takeaways

This episode is a quintessential TBTL listen:

• Irreverently insightful, mixing high-minded media commentary with relatable personal tangents.
• Offers a layered, human response to the intersection of politics, sports, and culture, with both hosts openly grappling with how modern populism flavors even the most unlikely corners of daily life.
• Peppered with memorable, off-the-cuff quotes and deftly-handled moments of vulnerability.
• A perfect episode for new and longtime listeners alike—especially those who appreciate their news and nostalgia with a side of self-aware silliness.

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Notable Timestamps

• [02:57] — New listeners and Facebook shoutout
• [12:08] — True origin of the pirate eye-patch
• [37:17] — World Cup / Trump scandal
• [61:20] — Tim Gunn ‘monkey house’ explainer
• [69:48] — Mike Tyson on legacy

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No mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

Transcript

[Andrew Walsh]

You are a precious beast going about the work that you have. Chomping on little bugs in a grass. Look at you go. Just one after the other. Chomping, chomping, chomping. You are a happy little guy. It makes me happy. I'm so glad you're here. So glad I'm here. What a gift it is to be alive. If you weren't scared of me, I would. I'd try to be your friend. But you probably are good. You go tbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

Excuse me, who even are you, type A?

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm not comfortable caring and serious about our relationship.

[Luke Burbank]

I am.

[Andrew Walsh]

We do not know each other. This is all happening so fast. Can I get pregnant from this? The story, the backstory for that one I thought was like, you crazy frat brother.

[Luke Burbank]

I keep hearing you say when you

[Andrew Walsh]

do the snort laugh, that you gotta stop doing the snort laugh. And I don't want you to stop doing the snort laugh. I love the snort laugh. It's a laugh. I love all the laughs.

[Luke Burbank]

Mom, it's not real. It's a jib jab.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let the filibustering begin.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Tuesday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. You've been living in the monkey house. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

[Andrew Walsh]

Please clap.

[Luke Burbank]

Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where we have another gorgeous, gorgeous day.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, Ma Pa. It's just beautiful.

[Luke Burbank]

It's gonna be a perfect day for me to get out and wail away on the lawn again. I have a delivery coming tomorrow and I have to have everything just so, just right. Which we may get into a more involved explanation of here on episode 4765 in a collector series, Let the fun begin. We talked yesterday about the impending U.S. men's National Team World cup game and the fact that the President of the United States appeared to force FIFA to put one of our players back on the squad. And that did happen and they did play Belgium and it was literally a major disaster. We'll unpack that a little bit. Also, I have recently come into some information involving a long running TBTL audio drop and what the actual kind of context or meaning is.

[Andrew Walsh]

So explain that.

[Luke Burbank]

So we will unpack that as well and we will say hello to this young man. He has no explaining to do. Okay, I bought a balloon.

[Andrew Walsh]

And it doesn't mean I think I'm better than everybody else.

[Luke Burbank]

He's the longest running cobra of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. We did it, man. We cracked the code. We learned how to bring in new listeners to tbtl. And that is one Facebook post at a time on the Valley City Community Center Facebook page. Page, apparently.

[Luke Burbank]

Are there indications that our recent star turn on the Valley City Community Group's Facebook page has actually delivered us some new listeners?

[Andrew Walsh]

Absolutely. Shout out to new listener Sandra Capretta, who heard about us on Facebook and left us a C. I believe Sandy. Sandy C. Left us a nice message on our blog. On our. I don't know if you know this, but tbtl, I mean, is it a blog? Do we have a blog? We have a website and you can leave comments. We have a web blog. It's like a. It's like an online diary sort of. And we kind of update it every day with a new show. And you can leave comments underneath the shows that we post on our website. And got a very nice note from another fellow Buckeye graduate who also put her. Her kids through the Buckeye Elementary School system. Excited to hear the TBTL is coming home to Valley City, Ohio. And it really warmed the cockles today.

[Luke Burbank]

I am so glad that I didn't see that before the show because I would have been nervous anytime we. I'm mostly joking, but kind of not. I think you and I both have the same sort of thought on this, Andrew, which is occasionally when TBTL gets mentioned somewhere, particularly if it's like in an online space where we think, ooh, that might send some people our way. Maybe a John Hodgman or somebody like that who's kind of in our world, but also more famous than us.

[Andrew Walsh]

A Sandra Capretta.

[Luke Burbank]

Like a sandy sea. Then we kind of like the next day we're like, well, we might have new listeners today. So let's not play intro tape. That's offensive. Let's not.

[Andrew Walsh]

Our usual offensive intro tape. That's why I went with the gentlest tape of a guy talking to an opossum today.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Like whenever we think, Even if it's 20 new people, probably when, like when it was agreed that the Parkside Little League was going to allow us to sponsor a team later known as the TBTL Junior Sluggers. Whatever the day was, that it seemed there might be a chance that their parents would be listening. I'm a little. I'm just kind of minding my p's and Q's. I'm Thinking about this in the. In the. From the perspective of, oh, wow, we have new listeners. We better actually really turn in a good show. And that almost always involves us turning in a even worse than normal show.

[Andrew Walsh]

So now I regret bringing. So you didn't see the text message that John Sklaroff business boy number one sent us? It was a screen cap of this comment that our new listener left us on the webpage. So you didn't see that. Now I worry that I've gotten into your head. I had another thing I could talk about with you if we got out of your head.

[Luke Burbank]

No, it's fine. Because I didn't see that. I was doing the little treadmill thing and then running around getting some stuff done. So I hadn't checked in on my test.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, that's fine. That's fine.

[Luke Burbank]

But now I'm past it. The hard part for me is opening the show and the initial conversation. If I'm laboring under the weight of. Of expectations from, like, the sandy seas of the world.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But I didn't know about sandy sea when I started talking to you. And so now I'm fine with.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now you're in the pool. You're in the water flow state. Yeah, exactly. It's like getting it. I don't know if you're like me. I don't like cold water at all. Like, I have. Let me put it this way, I have a pretty low tolerance for chilly water. And so even on vacation or something, if you're getting in a pool and the pool is cold or the ocean especially, takes me a long time to acclimate. I just walk. I'd sleep like, okay, the water's just covering the bottom of my feet. Okay, now my lower ankle, like, I just inch my way into the water. And then once I'm out there, I'm like, what was so hard about this? I'm completely acclimated, but it takes me a long time. You remind me of a guy who just jump right in, though.

[Luke Burbank]

Only because I want to try to get to that, oh, this is fine part as quickly as possible. But I don't like it. I am. I will say this. I'm better going into the ocean when it's cold than going into a lake when it's cold. If I'm jumping off of a dock, because I know this is totally counterintuitive and Sandy C, I'm sorry if we're losing you here. I'm sorry if we're sliding back into some extremely boring, esoteric territory, but if I'M standing on a dock, and I'm. The plan is to jump off of the dock into the lake water. And I know the lake is going to be pretty cold. That's really hard for me because I'm fine right now. And I know it's going to be really bracing when I jump in. And that moment of change from, I'm fine now to, ooh, this is going to be cold, is. I don't want to do it. I can walk into the ocean. And first it's just my feet. Oh, that's a little brisk, but all right. And then I walk a little further. There's something about the slow integration that is a little less traumatic to me. And then I get to a point where it's maybe at my knees or something. Let's be honest, Andrew, when it gets to. Let's just call it your midpoint.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure.

[Luke Burbank]

As a feller.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm just like, okay, well, now I got to just do this.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I do just dive into this. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But I'm less. I guess what I mean is I'm less intimidated by walking into the ocean if it's a little bit on the cold side, than I am about jumping off the end of a dock into a lake.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. It's all. It's all like that for me. I mean, what helps is if it's obviously scorching outside and then there's, like, you need that water pretty badly. But I'm thinking about me. I am so glad I've never seen footage of me walking into the ocean. Because, first of all, there's another factor, which is my glasses are off now. My glasses are never off. The only time my glasses are off, or when I'm sleeping, or when I'm, like, trying to read the back of a jar these days, and I just have to hold the jar up to my face and take off my progressive lenses for some reason. But so I'm at the beach. I'm in. I'm. I'm dressed less than I am at almost any other stage of my life by just wearing a pair of, you know, trunks. So I'm not feeling super secure there. I can't see anything. I see. I see blobs. I see blurs. It kind of helps. I've told you this before because I am maybe a little bit insecure in a beach swimwear situation. It's good that I can't see anybody or anything, because then it sort of feels like nobody can see me. But then I slowly just. Just slow. As slow as you could Possibly. Imagine just inch my way into the water. Probably like a zombie. I'm trying to think what I probably look. I like the idea of out a little bit.

[Luke Burbank]

A time lapse video of this where we watch the sun rise.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Move.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Apotheosis. And then set. And you. You. You're about waist deep.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm just getting. Yeah, I'm just. I'm just getting comfortable. By the time the sun is setting. That's exactly right.

[Luke Burbank]

Did I use apotheosis right there? I just meant the high point. Apotheosis means the elevation of a person, principle or thing to divine status.

[Andrew Walsh]

Apotheosis.

[Luke Burbank]

So that's not how. That's not how I meant apotheosis.

[Andrew Walsh]

It is about rising. But you meant the pinnacle.

[Luke Burbank]

It sounded vaguely astronomical to me. It sounded like an astronomy term. Sure. Because it sounds like Greek and like something that would have to do with the planets. But that's not what that means. It just means it's the high point of something. Or not the high points. It means it's kind of the most of something. I guess you could. You could maybe try to make the argument that that sort of works, but it really didn't. Can I tell you something quickly about.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, don't take your time. Slow it down.

[Luke Burbank]

Can I tell you something about. I just learned this yesterday. Why pirates? At least the theory as to why pirates. This is not a joke or even a dad joke. Why pirates would wear patches over their eye. Would wear a patch over their eye.

[Andrew Walsh]

It wasn't about a missing eyeball or something like that.

[Luke Burbank]

Occasionally it was, but it was not always about a missing eyeball because it's like. Think about it. Did every pirate have a missing eyeball?

[Andrew Walsh]

Wait a second. I have a. Can I guess the theory or am I stealing it? Because. I don't know. I don't want to steal your thunder here.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no, no.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it because, you know, I had to wear an eye patch as a very little kid before I started wearing glasses. And it was because.

[Luke Burbank]

So they'll be bullied in grade school. That's why they wore them.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was so eventually.

[Luke Burbank]

So someday they would.

[Andrew Walsh]

Marty d' Amico would trap me in the back of a yellow bus on the way back from a. I think

[Luke Burbank]

Marty Dico's coming to the frog.

[Andrew Walsh]

I. I hope not. I'm scared. Oh, my God. What if Marty. He's just putting one fist into his palm.

[Luke Burbank]

I've been looking to reestablish my masculinity,

[Andrew Walsh]

Andrew, and this might be the perfect week for it. Okay. So I did have to wear a patch. And it's because I have literally a lazy eye, like a weak eye, right? And I wore the patch over strong eye to make my weaker eye work harder and actually strengthen itself. And so I'm wondering, pirates had to look through those telescope thingies a lot. Were they training one of their eyes to be stronger?

[Luke Burbank]

You're in the neighborhood. The theory goes that sometimes they would have to run down below decks, like, say there was a, you know, some kind of skirmish going on or what have you. They had to go down below decks to get maybe the rifles or the something or other, the weapons. And below deck on these ships was pretty. Pretty dark. It was pretty pitch black. And so. And they'd been above deck where maybe it was bright daylight. And so the patch would be. Would be tricking one of their eyes into thinking it was dark so that when they went below deck, that eye did not need to adjust to the light level of below deck. It could just be ready to go.

[Andrew Walsh]

So you flip it open, you flip it.

[Luke Burbank]

You flip the patch up, or you move the patch over to the other eye. And the eye that has been, hell, yeah, incubating in darkness is ready to go. It's like, yeah, this is normal. This is what we're used to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Genevieve was talking about the masthead of the Washington Post. Have they just changed it to Democracy dies yet? This is a conversation that we were having yesterday.

[Luke Burbank]

The hard turn.

[Andrew Walsh]

Genevieve was, sorry, I was thinking about the darkness, and that got me.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I was thinking about mastheads. That's probably also a sailing term, isn't it?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, you're right. I'm sorry. That does seem like a very hard turn in the conversation. But thinking about how things can die in darkness if you don't have a patch over your eye. The reason that conversation started, by the way, was because Genevieve is now, I guess, working somewhat with the team that this is. I hope I'm okay to say this. It's a little bit of inside baseball. Genevieve is working with a team on campus that releases a daily news publication. Just like an internal comms thing, you know, it's for all.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, it's internal to the Utah.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not external. Yeah, it's internal. And it's like a news. They call it a newsletter or something like that, I think. But I believe. I believe it's just called U Dub today or something like that. And I immediately was like, can we work on this title? Like, is it too early for you to come in and Start making changes. Like, let's punch this up a little bit. I just sort of feel like. And again, all respect to whoever came up with this, especially if it's somebody who's Genevieve's boss, but UW today just. It just lays there. It just. It's like you just didn't. And I'm gonna say it. It's like you just didn't care. You just didn't care. Can we give it a slightly zingier name now? Genevieve said, do you have any suggestions? And I said, uw tomorrow. I said, yes, no. And then I was coming up with, like, all the double news you can double use or something like that to try to work a W. University of Washington in there. And then that's where we came up

[Luke Burbank]

with the Newsiversity of Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

The Newsiversity of Washington. That's better. But the double news Double U's thing, Genev thought was maybe more of a. Or I thought was more of a masthead than an actual name of the. Of the newspaper.

[Luke Burbank]

But they're still going with Democracy Dies in Darkness.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is still up there. But it's sarcastic now, though, right? It's winky.

[Luke Burbank]

Can I. I'm actually going to get semi serious on this for one moment, and we're going to take it to the unfun place and say, well, first I'm going to say, with UW News today, here's what I think about. About clever or interesting or groundbreaking names in the. And this isn't even the bummer part. I'm not. I'm going to get to the bummer part in a minute as far as trying to name things like that. You know, you and I have both worked on a couple of different projects that were like, you know, didn't have a name when we started them. Like, you know, that show that I did in New York did not have a name. It ended up being the Bryant Park Project. TBTL didn't have a name before we started doing it. And for my early, you know, for my first 20 years of doing this kind of stuff, I would be so obsessed with. And I was like, I really wanted the name of whatever the thing was to just be punchy and cool and, like, really tell people this is a cool thing. And I think I've actually come around to, like, what's really gonna matter is the actual quality of the thing that is being made. Which doesn't mean, like, I guess I'm more afraid now of giving something a cool name that doesn't hold up. Also, this is not Something that I think you or I ever need to worry about because I think we're done founding anything ever going forward. I think this is our last. This is the last startup that I'm doing. Maybe you're planning on more in the future. I saw you, saw you nodding or bobbing your head. I just think if I'm in a room and we're trying to name something and I'm 50 years old, I actually think I would be more inclined right now to go with something that's the equivalent of like a black T shirt and jeans than, you know, Jenko jeans and a, you know, like a what? Some kind of a. A T shirt that has a fire on it that is like was in style in 1987, is now very back in style for my daughter's generation. But then we'll go out of style. I think I'm kind of coming back to the middle on this stuff, but I would.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I mean, again, now I'm sorry that I'm really hyper targeting this particular publication, which is unfair and also potentially dangerous for genev's career opportunities. But like, I don't think that u Dubbed today is a black T shirt and jeans. I don't know exactly what it is, but I would say like, because a black T shirt and jeans has a timeless quality to it, maybe the UW Gazette would be that something that is maybe a little. There's just something about today that just seems so. It just doesn't even sound like a name to me. It sounds like a non entity. You know, I mean, like I, I think that is a little bit of an insult.

[Luke Burbank]

Is a Gazette is a more. Is a. Is a more interesting word that kind of means not the exact same thing, but that you're doing the same thing. You're being very, you know, you're being traditional. You're being relatively down the middle, but you're using a more interesting word to do it with. Gazette. I totally agree with you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Or, or even if it was the. Wait, has anybody taken the name the Washington Post?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that brings me to my more unfun point more as a person, as a person who works for CBS Television. And every time I have a piece that goes up or like I reposted something or whatever, they shared something with me on my Instagram and then I, I shared it on mine. It was this little silly commentary I did this week about how I'm bad at barbecuing. There are always people in the comments of my little silly, like post that says I'm Bad at barbecuing. And it's embarrassing for me when people are standing around watching me barbecue. You people go into my comment section and say, cbs is MAGA Now. I would never watch this. And obviously that's sort of personally, a little bit of a bummer for me because I'm not maga and because nothing about my silly barbecue commentary is MAGA or was vetted by MAGA people. And what I know about the show that I work on, CBS Sunday Morning is I work with all the same people I worked with two years ago, and everyone is busting their butts and doing the best stories that they can do. And the idea that people dismiss all of the work of everyone on the network because Larry Ellison's kid got a bunch of money for being an EPO baby and bought the thing. Like, there are so many people at the Washington Post who are working so hard and doing their very best journalism, and it really sucks for them that Jeff Bezos bought the paper and fired their friends. But the idea of, like, roasting the entire paper and everyone who works there because there was a hostile takeover, the top. I, as a person who's experiencing that in my own way in my little job place, it kind of sucks, man.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm sure it does.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't. But, like, that doesn't change how I feel about.

[Luke Burbank]

You're allowed to feel.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what I mean?

[Luke Burbank]

Feel however I feel.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I would take issue with the fact that, like, me making a joke about the masthead is attacking everybody who works at the Washington Post, because that's not what it is.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it's saying that the Washington Post. Well, I mean, did you guys. Well, listen, I'm not telling you how to feel about or how to live your life, but, for instance, everyone dropping their subscription to the Washington Post was. I totally understand that people don't want to support Jeff Bezos, but again, I think you actually brought this up and you were right about this. The real move is to drop Amazon, which you've also done. That's the harder move than dropping the Washington Post. I guess I've just been walking around with this feeling for a while of, like, people going, like, just lumping in every single thing that happens at cbs. And I am such a. To say that I am a small, small part of that place would be. That would be not even describing it accurately. I am so microscopically small at that place. And yet. And I also don't identify my. My person, my identity of myself is not, like, CBS guy. And yet when I Hear people go, oh, it's just a bunch of MAGA bullshit. Now I'm just like, oh, man. It's really not. It's really like. In fact, it's a bunch of us that are just trying to put out good stories. And people have said. And again, you can hear, Andrew, that this is completely coming from a personal place for me. But, like, people will be like, why haven't you quit? And I'm like, well, I don't know, because I feel like, is it a worse outcome if I quit or a better outcome? And I genuinely don't know the answer to that. I guess if I felt like it was so inappropriate, what's happened that me being a part of it was sort of endorsing it, Maybe that is an argument for quitting. I kind of think of it as, like, if I can get a good story on there or kind of a mildly entertaining piece or whatever onto the network, then that's kind of a w. I really don't actually know what the right. Exactly right. Response is. But it's just I've never been part. I've never been a very small flea on a larger animal that is so derided now by the people that I generally kind of like, you know, am trying to impress.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I mean, I understand that it would be a very personal thing for you. And I think we all have to make decisions about what we associate with and what we don't associate with. And maybe something would happen at the network that you would say, okay, this is a line too far. I don't want my name associated with that. I know that that would be the case for me at various lines as well, but everybody's gonna find it. But I also just think that, like. But nobody. And I know you're. I don't think you're saying this, although you're sort of implying this based on the fact that this conversation came up with just a tiny little snarky joke that I repeated that I made in the car with Genevieve about a masthead that does seem ironic now, is that it is just. And you know this. I mean, you know more about this than I do. But, like, for those of us who don't have any, like, particular interest or, you know, like, involvement with these organizations, what we see is an incredibly, unbearably scary time for democracy and what is happening to journalism underneath this administration and how it all plays together. And. And you know that I'm not trying to preach to you. Again, you can say this both more knowledgeably and articulately. And so therefore, to be like, oh, nobody should. I don't know if you're saying nobody should do that or you're just saying it hurts your feelings when people do. But if the thing is nobody should do that, I would disagree. I think we're allowed to kind of say, you know, make jokes about the fact that, like, this is a bad situation that goes beyond just a new ownership group.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, everyone's allowed to say whatever they want. I'm not telling anyone what they can say. I guess what I'm. I guess what I'm kind of wondering about is, like, is the. What are we rooting for here at this point? Like, where we're at now? And I agree with everything you said. Like, it's extremely upsetting and chilling moment in this country where it does feel like major media organizations are bending the knee or are being just absorbed by people who are in league with, you know, the president and other, you know, bad actors. I agree with all of that stuff. I guess my question is, what are we now hoping happens to the Washington Post or cbs?

[Andrew Walsh]

New ownership.

[Luke Burbank]

New ownership. I mean, that would. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, I am the Cleveland Browns. I'll throw them in there. I don't know if you consider them a list of.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, I've said some pretty harsh things about the Cleveland Browns. I need to be accountable for that.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, I said that. Well, obviously, sort of jokingly to make you laugh, but also, is there not a comparison there? Like, aren't you a little bit clenched because you're a big Seahawks fan and you're like, well, who's going to come in and buy this? Is it going to make it harder to root for this thing? You know? Now, obviously, sports is not important, and I feel very strongly about, obviously, the importance of the fourth estate or whatever you want to call it. But, like, there is an analogy there.

[Luke Burbank]

There really is. No, you're absolutely right. But I guess I would continue the analogy to be. You're Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett. I mean, I know he's not a Cleveland Brown anymore, but all accounts are that Miles Garrett is not only one of the most talented physical athletes in, you know, a long, long time, but is also a very interesting person off the field and is really, you know, lives a life of the inquiry of the mind. I just saw he was at some, like, he attended some workshop about how to do some kind of a thing. And this wasn't like a. This wasn't like a charity organization. This was like he wanted to learn about some. I don't know, pretty obscure topic. And he was just. Miles Garrett was just there at this weekend thing, learning about it. So you're Myles Garrett and you are a Cleveland Brown and you're busting your butt every day and you have shit ownership and they give Deshaun Watson too much money and then everyone's like, the Browns are trash. And I guess I would say maybe, and I should have done this too. Maybe we separate, separate out the Haslams, the desean's and the Miles Garrett's. And in this analogy, Andrew, I'm the Miles Garrett of cbs. I say I'm a, I'm a generational talent at CBS Sunday Morning. No, but what I mean is when I, when, when we, when we kind of say, oh, it sucks what's happening, or even, or we, or we are like saying this thing sucks now, and I'll just loudest confine it to cbs because that's the thing that I have, I guess, the most experience with when people are like, yeah, CBS just totally sucks now and it's just like a MAGA thing. I, I always wish people would say, like, the ownership of CBS sucks and they're just like a MAGA people. Not because I'm not that. And I worked there and you know, again, people can say whatever they want, but, but my experience of it. And you can tell that I'm fully shadow boxing with some of the comments that were in my Instagram page this weekend, where people are just so, like, I would never watch it again. It's just a bunch of trash. And I'm like, I'm kind of over there on the trash heap, moving stuff around, trying to, trying to organize my, my part of the trash heap into something that's maybe a little less trashy. So I guess what I would say,

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, from a. I mean, this shifts the conversation. But just out of curiosity is, are people, people aren't writing this on your personal page when you're reposting these? These are just like on some sort of platform like on Instagram or social media or something. CBS official account is posting.

[Luke Burbank]

No, it's on my Instagram feed.

[Andrew Walsh]

Really? Your personal Instagram feed? People are coming in there and on your personal Instagram feed. Well, because what happens is that does surprise me.

[Luke Burbank]

Not nasty things, just kind of like,

[Andrew Walsh]

I would say unnecessary. Like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't personally do that like that.

[Luke Burbank]

So, so when I. Let me see. I'm trying to find this. So you know what? Maybe this is, maybe this is the cbs. You're right. So I'm a little.

[Andrew Walsh]

That would be, that would be pretty surprising because that would be like people that you know or listeners of this show coming in and being like, well, that's half trash.

[Luke Burbank]

It has happened from people that I know on. So what happens is CBS Sunday Morning puts out something their official, you know, I guess Instagram. And then they're asking me to collaborate, right? So then I hit some button and it publishes it on my page. And so then the comments under my. Let me just see if I can find this. So then there will be comments under my sort of repost of it or whatever and they will be people that I recognize, people that are in my. Let me sell. Fine, one video. Let's see. And it's a bunch of people that are, that are that I know. And they're being like, oh, this was fun or whatever. And then there'll just always be some. And it's so minor. Some little turd in the punch bowl that's just kind of like, I can't watch this anymore. Or this is too, you know, whatever. It's. No one's being like over the top. They're just expressing their opinion. But you know me, I'm such a sensitive little baby. And also it's just, I guess it's also whenever I'm not. Whenever oftentimes when I'm talking to people who are following this story that is the story of like the takeover of CBS and the kind of trumpification of things and Barry Weiss and all that stuff. It's just like, it's odd to me how, how, how strongly people feel about this and also kind of how much they assume one thing about what, what it feels like to be over there working versus kind of most of my experience with it, which is I'm still doing my meaningless commentaries and little TV stories about this and that. So anyway, all that is to say they're still going with Democracy Dies in

[Andrew Walsh]

Darkness for now and they're still going with UW Today, which by the way is a great publication. I don't even know if it's something today. University of Washington Today. It's a great publication. I don't know if it's public facing. I know it's.

[Luke Burbank]

But I can't get my hands on it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know, try Googling it. Maybe I'll end up bringing more capretas to the, to that. More Capretta. ISIS called U Dub News. No, no. You know, there are two different ones. There's one that's daily and there's one that's weekly. The UW News one might be weekly. I'm not exactly sure.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, so they still have the Daily uw, which is the Daily. That's the student.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's the stud newspaper. That would make sense.

[Luke Burbank]

They've got the Daily.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, that makes sense. And you know, that's. That might be the daily, I feel like, is your black jeans and. And. Or your black T shirt and jeans. Don't you think that the Daily is student newspaper daily? Sure, absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. And I've got a soft spot for that, of course, because I did work there when I was a student. I worked there with our buddy Danny O'. Neill.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was all MAGA shit.

[Luke Burbank]

Then it was. Lyndon LaRouche had taken it over, I think. I think the Lyndon LaRouche people were the craziest. They were on campus.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you have those? Yes, we did.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I even have it falling off. Heard that name in so long, they, like, they might have just fallen, I would guess. I mean, that's getting pretty long in the tooth, but. That's right. What was the. I mean, not to. Not to bite anybody's rhyme, but what

[Luke Burbank]

was the deal about, like, China? I think a big thing was like. I feel like the pamphlets had a lot to do with like, the great Chinese Takeover or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let's see.

[Luke Burbank]

Was a big thing of Lyndon LaRouche. To our five to eight younger listeners who don't know Lyndon LaRouche. Was this some guy who had a bunch of theories about, I don't know, global economics and sort of politics and had created this whole worldview that I don't know how he'd gotten a certain number of people to stand on college campuses with, like, a table, like a card table and a bunch of Lyndon LaRouche paperwork. But they were really. It was a big thing in the 80s and 90s, if I remember.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I'll give you Wikipedia. Gets right to it nice and early. I really appreciate, you know how sometimes Wikipedia, it's like, it's such a long article that you're just like, where's the nut of this? Well, I feel like they do a good job of leading with this. Correctly. He was, and he has passed away now. He was an American political activist who founded the LaRouche movement and its main organization, the National Caucus of Labor Committees. Okay, sounds good. He was a prominent conspiracy theorist and perennial presidential candidate. He began in the far left of politics in the 1940s and later supported the Civil Rights movement.

[Luke Burbank]

However.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is a big however. In the 1970s, he moved to the far right. His movement is sometimes described as or likened to a cult. Convicted of fraud, he served five years in prison from 1989 to 1994.

[Luke Burbank]

What is with that? We're not gonna have the answer here, but what is with that drift that I feel like happens a lot, which is somebody starts out in the far left, and then they get to the far right. You know what I mean? It's just such a strange progression for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know I have visions of one of my first boss in the newsroom, Vince Duffy, explaining to me kind of the we think of the political spectrum as a line. But he was showing me how it's more of a circle or whatever and how that can happen. And I was trying to evoke that the other day, possibly while high, while trying to explain to Genevieve what happened to John Mouse. And maybe you can explain this. Your football song guy, the weird musician who I. And you said that. So I got obsessed with this one song called. It might just be called Football. I don't even know how to describe John Mouse's music. It's like electronic, kind of outsider y kind of sound. And I remember, what, five or more years ago, I heard one song about him. I was like, oh, this is weird, and I really like it. I played it for you on tbtl. I believe you said Adelaide was familiar with John Mouse. It was potentially into it. So it seemed like sort of trendy hipster stuff. But then after the January 5th stuff, there was this. I'm talking about something else.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, you're talking about when they pulled down the Lyndon LaRouche table.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm so glad you interrupted me, because I was not going to be coherent for the next several sentences. I was like, that's not right. What I just said is not right. Do I go back anyway? Yeah. After that, like, apparently, him and some other musicians and cohorts, like, three people were.

[Luke Burbank]

Ariel Pink.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. Right. And they were. And they were in, like, they rented a hotel room in D.C. and were somehow, it was assumed, connected to the January 6 protests, or at least were super curious about it. But it's like, you don't think of them as MAGA people. So I started saying, well, is it one of those things where they're so far left that they went far right? And then I think Genevieve just changed the subject.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, here you go. In 2017, Maus placed himself left of left of left of left on a political spectrum. He stated that it comes down to if you don't have a sort of indignation when you See atrocities committed. You're not communing with the same humanity that I am. In January 2021, Mouse, along with Ariel Pink, attended the pro Donald Trump protest that led to the storming of the U.S. capitol. By the way, you might have been. Were they doing some stuff on January 5th? I'm not even being sarcastic. Maybe that was the buildup. I don't know. Responding to controversy regarding his presence at the event, Maus tweeted a quote from Mitt Brennan. Der Sorg. I don't know what that is, but I can't.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's an encyclical.

[Luke Burbank]

It's an encyclical from Pope Pius xi, distributed privately among clergy, that condemned aspects of Nazism. Does not mention National Socialism, Hitler, or Nazi party itself, but obliquely references them. On December, Pink later appeared. That's Ariel Pink, on an alt right podcast, Wrong Opinion, discussing with host Josh so and so that he was working closely with Mouse on music and merchandise, saying, John is one is 1001% on Team Trump.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, geez. Well, there you go. Well, then that does. Yeah. See, I don't understand what any of that means, but it is.

[Luke Burbank]

You're. I think you're right that, like, there is, for some people. Yeah, more of a circle.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, you're.

[Luke Burbank]

It would seem to me like one is the furthest it can be from the other. But maybe if you're. I don't know if you're crazy, if you're crazy, or if you're inclined. I was gonna say inclined towards very extreme opinions. You can trade out one very extreme opinion for another more easily than, you know, it would feel like such a crazy thing for. For you or I to go from kind of where we're at to, like, hard. Hard alt. Right. That would just. That would feel so far from you. Maybe if you're just used to being out there on, you know, outside of. Way outside of the norm anyway, that it's just kind of like trade one for the other. I don't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

And you're just fighting all the time, you know, going back to the Internet comments that you're talking about, which, by the way, to go back to that for a second, too, is I see those kind. The people who are just leaving. What did you say your commentary was on? It was on something innocuous.

[Luke Burbank]

It was on. I'm bad at barbecuing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. Yeah. So here's the thing about barbecuing, and people are like, oh, just, you know, I mean, some of those people might not be people. Some of Those people might be bots. I'm not exactly sure how Instagram is with that stuff these days, but I just see that stuff all the time. And it's like, to a certain degree I do understand that people are panicking. You know, some people are just absolutely panicking and they don't know what to do with their emotions and so they feel like they need to post somewhere. Obviously it seems absolutely ludicrous to me to post that under a specific story about barbecue. That doesn't have anything to do with that stuff. That's. I. But I see that behavior all the time on Blue sky and stuff. And in fact, what will happen is we were just kind of talking about this yesterday. You get a new film, Fowler foul, January 5, you get a new follower on Blue sky and you're like, oh, who is this? What is their thing all about? And half the time now I can't tell if it's just somebody who is like really worked up and, you know, basically agrees with my worldview on things, but like their whole timeline is just like post after post after post of just like, you know, anger and you know, retweeting this article and the anger there. And I'm not saying that we don't need to have conversations about these things, but at a certain point, like, what are you achieving by doing that? Other than I feel like potentially working yourself up more and more. And again, I am not advocating here for sticking your head in the sand or not engaging in conversation about these things, but I also just am kind of like, but what life is that for it all to be kind of exposed right there online maybe is part of the thing. It's kind of like maybe I'm not seeing the rest of these folks deeper lives and they just get online every now and then on their phone and they spout something off and then they continue watching their kids baseball game or whatever. And it's not as big of a deal, but all we see is like somebody whose entire presence to us is nothing but futile anger and freak outedness online. And you're just like, wow, there's gotta be something more, even if not productive, less unproductive to yourself.

[Luke Burbank]

I do think you're right though, that it's coming from a place generally speaking of fear for the world and for America. And so that's a good thing for me to remember. If somebody posts something that seems a little harsh, it's like they're saying, I don't want to watch, I don't watch CBS anymore because not because they dislike me, but because they just feel like that's all they can do to try to push back on this thing. That feels kind of terrifying, which is the end of like a sort of non government controlled media. That's really what they're trying to do and say there. They're not trying to say they don't like me or they think that I'm bad for working for cbs. I think what they're trying to say is, like, this really freaks me out and I don't really know what to do other than to say I'm not gonna participate in it or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, speaking of populism, which is sort of dancing around some of the things we're talking about here, tell me about this soccer match yesterday and your feelings today. Because I was not following the soccer match. I did log on a few times while I was doing yard work just to see what the score was, because I that there was like a lot of excitement, a lot of intrigue, a lot of drama about last night's, you know, US.

[Luke Burbank]

Was it Belgium?

[Andrew Walsh]

Belgium. It was Belgium. Okay, game. And of course, you were setting it up yesterday about your own conflicted emotions about it.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, yeah, because, you know, obviously

[Andrew Walsh]

the

[Luke Burbank]

big story kind of going into the match yesterday was that Donald Trump had gotten the head of FIFA to let this guy Baligan, this American player who's, I forgot to mention this to you yesterday. You probably heard this in the discourse. Do you know that this guy Baligan would not be able to play for the US if not for birthright citizenship?

[Andrew Walsh]

I had heard that. I heard that since our conversation yesterday.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just the, the funniest, the funniest little ironic twist is that his parents, his mother was pregnant with him and they were getting on an airplane to leave the US to go to another country. I don't know which one exactly. And the somebody at the airline was concerned that his mother was too pregnant to fly safely and so said, we're going to have you stay here on U.S. soil for now. And she has the baby on U.S. soil, which therefore qualifies him as to be. He is an American citizen. This, of course, the thing Trump was trying to undo at the Supreme Court level recently. But so he had been, you know, banned from the game because of a previous foul that he had committed, which didn't seem actually to be worth him being kicked out of the next game. But anyway, Trump calls FIFA, turns the screws on them, and then they let him back into the match, which pretty much ruined everything around the narrative of the World cup in the United States. The narrative previously had been towns like Lawrence, Kansas are embracing the team from Algeria that's practicing there. You know, tourists are coming from other parts of the world and having a great time in America and are. It's like this soft diplomacy that's really good for us. It was like a great story and then it switched right around to 800 pound gorilla. United States uses its might to cheat at soccer. That became the story all of a sudden. It just was such a bummer because it was like, even if we won the game or the match, it was going to be tainted now. Even if we managed to get to the finals, it was going to be tainted. It was just like. It just, it just sucked. And I said yesterday, Andrew, that I hope the score would be five to nothing and Baligan would be a non factor. And I was almost exactly right, except I had the teams mixed up. It was 4 to 1 and Baligan was a non factor. So I guess I was. I'm going to give myself a half right on that.

[Andrew Walsh]

I didn't even know it got up to four to one. I thought it was three to one.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, no, it was. I think there was a. I think there was a late. Was there a late goal scored? Let me see if I can find. Yeah, it was 4 to 1 because they scored like in garbage time, basically when we had almost pulled our keeper and we're just with like a minute or two left of stoppage time. At the end of the game, they just scored another goal that was sort of meaningless, but it was just another. It was just another cherry of humiliation placed atop the cake of embarrassment that was last night. And I, I mean every. Everything on the Internet. What I, what I was looking at afterwards was this is of course what happens when Donald Trump weighs in when he went to the Knicks. The third game for the Knicks in New York City. That was the only game they lost against San Antonio. And again, I don't really believe in magic or, you know, stuff like this or even really karma, but I, I had a feeling yesterday, all day long. I was like, I don't think the US Is going to win this. I didn't have a strong enough feeling that I was going to bet on Belgium because I don't know, I guess that felt like a. Our friend John Goodwin did do that. And I did call him a Benedict Arnold in the texts between him and I, mostly because I was jealous. But like, like the smart money would have been on Belgium yesterday because there's just something karmically so screwed up about the president of a country intervening to bend the rules to get their player put back on the squad. And you just know if there's even a. Even the tiniest bit of justice in this universe. You knew the US Was gonna lose, and, boy, did they. And they looked so bad doing it, like.

[Andrew Walsh]

And they were favored to a degree that you mentioned. Even if they had sat this guy who was red carded, whose name I've already forgotten, Baligan. But you. That you would have even been comfortable playing the team without him against Belgium, I think.

[Luke Burbank]

Listen, I'm. I'm not a big soccer knower, but what I was seeing other people saying online was the US Had a decent chance of beating Belgium even without this guy Baligan. Not that they were going to be heavy favorites. I think the thought was the US And Belgium were kind of. Belgium used to be a really good team, but they're kind of aging a bit. And that because it was going to be played in Seattle, so the US Was going to have this massive home field advantage just with the crowd. You take a younger, more kind of up and coming US Team with a huge crowd behind it, and you put them up against a Belgium team that's a little bit older. It's a slight advantage to the U.S. i think that was kind of the theory and that even minus Baligan might be. If you were coin tossing it, you were going 55 for the US 45 for Belgium. It looked like a junior varsity team playing against a college team or something. Like a. Like. Or a professional team out there. The U.S. they couldn't.

[Andrew Walsh]

They.

[Luke Burbank]

They could never. Like, every time they would pass to a guy, it would be like they would pass behind the guy or in front of him. We lost almost every dribble ever. So that's also a term in soccer. You've got the ball, you're bringing it up the field, the guy on defense approaches you. Christian Pulisic, our star player, just looked like absolute. Absolute dog s out there. I mean, he got hurt eventually, but before he was hurt, he just looked scared. He lost almost every dribble that he had. So every time he had the ball, somebody from Belgium just came and took it away from him. It was.

[Andrew Walsh]

He.

[Luke Burbank]

Everybody just looked pathetic out there, and it was like. It was by far and away the worst match that we played the entire tournament. And it just. It felt like some kind. Yeah, it felt. It felt magical in a way, in the worst kind of way. It felt like something in a movie where there is a curse that is put on your team. And I think that curse was called Donald Trump.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, I was watching the score and I'm not trying to be a hater here because I again, haven't been following this as a sport at all. And I have, like, not aggressively, no opinions, just passively, no, no real opinions about this. I don't have a really, a rooting interest after the news of Trump getting involved. I still don't even know that I had much of an opinion about it other than the intrigue around it when we were talking about it yesterday. But I will say, and I apologize if this hurts any feelings because I know a lot of people are real fans. I'm seeing, by the way, speaking of social media, I'm seeing all kinds of people, including yourself, not on social media, but knowing your feelings about this. But I'm seeing all kinds of people that I either know and, or respect greatly who are like, really into the fate of the US Men's soccer team. Right. Like, who are big fans and didn't want the Trump thing to kind of get in the way of that. And I completely understand that. And as a sports fan, I understand that as well as a non soccer fan with absolutely no Doug on this flight whatsoever. When I was out there raking leaves and I opened up my, my phone and I saw that they were losing and I think the first I saw was 3 to 1 or something like that. I was like, like, I think I was kind of happy. I think I was kinda. I definitely.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm unshocked.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Because I was like, you know what this means is that we don't get Trump to go out there tomorrow claiming this victory. Just being like, yeah, I get that.

[Luke Burbank]

What a messed up world that we live in where that's, I understand that logic. It's just like, man, it's so.

[Andrew Walsh]

But you know, he would have, he would have been all over any microphone he could have gotten or like, whatever. I mean, unfortunately I live in this bubble where people will also post the angry making things both of import and non, non import, I would say so that I can just get angry at things that should be untruth social but are also being shared in my little bubble. It's like, if it's a bubble, can we just keep it out? Let's enjoy the bubbleness of our bubbles, everybody. But anyway, point is, I just didn't need to see the gloating of this evil, oafish man. And that's kind of why I kind of transitioned into this by talking about populism. Too, because I'm kind of curious again, of all of the things that have been going on in the world since his second term started. I would say getting involved in the World cup falls very near the bottom of important things. But when you do think about just the voting public and the people that we share a country with who put him in office twice, I do start to wonder, does this meaningless stank actually end up having some sort of meaning? When I was on KOW a while back, usually when I'm on, like, a roundtable on the radio side of things over there, it's usually people who vary in opinion just a little bit, or we're all, like, generally reasonable people. But one time I was on with two other guests, and one of the guests is the only time I've ever been on where she. The other guests. I'm not trying to be coy. I literally don't remember her name, but she was like, she was kind of maga y. She ran for State House somewhere, didn't win. But, like, it was not long after Trump had taken off a second time, and she was saying things like, elon Musk is actually a Democrat. She was saying those kind of crazy things that don't really seem to be worth your time to even argue on her level. And one of the things she said was, everybody thinks that Trump is conservative. He's not conservative. He's just a populist. And for some reason, that has really stuck in my head. It's like the populism that won the day over, not necessarily the conservatism, which

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think actually don't disagree with

[Andrew Walsh]

her on that to a degree. I think there's a reason it's stuck in my head. Right. But if that's the case, that's exactly what this soccer involvement was. Right? It was him playing his populism card again. Like, I'm gonna, everybody in America, everybody in America is rooting for the American team. And so therefore, why don't I put my fingers on the scale? Why don't I throw my weight around a little bit? Why don't I throw my FIFA Peace Prize around a little bit, call my buddy over there and graft it up and just, like, get our popular star player to play or whatever. And then it kind of backfires. And then all of the booing, as you mentioned before the Knicks game, and also the fact that they lost, that, like, does this, these two things, sporting events, so inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, could they be consequential I don't think so.

[Luke Burbank]

Because the New York Knicks playing in Manhattan, in New York City, I don't think is a thing that a lot of MAGA people have an investment in. And I think the World cup is a thing that MAGA people don't have an investment in. Pablo Torre called this a Democrat trap yesterday before the game, saying that this is the first time. This is kind of what I said on tbtl. It's the first time Trump has used his terrible ways to do something that actually Democrats mostly care about. I would say the World Cup. The, the World cup followers, the people very invested in it and traveling around and painting their faces or watching it on tv. It's mostly people that are center and left. We care about it more than. I promise you, if I was driving around Longview, Washington last night at 6pm and I could peer into the windows of the homes, I don't think I'm seeing the World cup on a lot of the TVs. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what I think I'm thinking of here though is. And this gets into a bigger conversation and again, I'm not even arguing that I'm right here. It's just something that I struggle with. Cause it's some of my personal relationships in my life and everything is like, what is a MAGA person? And if you voted for Trump, does that make you a MAGA person? Is that how we're using that term? Because that's not how I use that term. I think of MAGA people as the very, very far left. The people who do wanna like display like Trump number stickers and a huge flag on the back of your truck while you're rolling coal or whatever. But I don't think there's enough of them to get him in office. I think there's a lot more people in the middle who just think the left is pretty annoying. And they don't like the person at work who is making everybody them pronouns in addressing them. And they for some reason applied that to the presidential election. I feel like there's just like a lot of people who wouldn't describe themselves as maga, but just as people. And that's why I kind of come back to this idea of populism. Not the cult members. I mean, the people who like also put him in office.

[Luke Burbank]

Right, that kind of middle that don't identify. You're right, it's not their whole personality, but they're. And I think you said it right, they find maybe they find it generally annoying that people want to use the pronouns they want to use, but they're not flying a giant, weird Donald Trump flag above their house that whatever that kind of group is. And how does the Donald Trump messing up the sports, maybe does that break through to them? I think if he messed up football, it would break through to those people more than messing up a basketball team that has, you know, of its 12 members, 11 of them are black and they play in New York City. And also soccer, which is very or to some degree I still think kind of like blue state coded. But again, that's, I'm just pulling that directly out of my backside. As far as a theory of again, I think if he ruined the Super Bowl, I think that would be way worse for him. I don't know how he would do that. But then these sports. But, but maybe I do like that it embarrasses him. I do like that. Here's. And you've given me a little something this morning, Andrew. I hadn't thought about his victory lap he would have been doing if the US Men would have won. So in a way it's like they lost, but, but it deprives him of that, which I guess I'll take that as a silver lining. It's just, yeah, it's just, it's just, it's just such a, it's almost. Well, we don't have to go back to this. But like, I kind of think that there is a little bit of a connection between what I was saying about these media outlets where it sucks that the people at the top, you know, kind of suck because like we're, you, you went, you heard that it was three to one and you were like, kind of like, well, good, this is an L for Donald Trump. And also it's like his cheating didn't win or didn't work. But then I, I, where I go is like, oh man, that really sucks. If I'm like a member of the U. S. Men's soccer team and I'm, you know, I'm working super hard and I'm, this has been my life's dream and now somehow me winning, us winning is actually going to be like in the win, in the win column for Donald Trump. Like, it's just sad that, that things have to get divided up this way to where we're, we're low key rooting against the US Men. And I did kind of think last night I was like, this is a bummer, we're losing. But also, if we would have won, it would have also been a loss because, because we cheated. Our Way here, you know, the fact that these are the calculations that we have to make is like just such a bummer. It did allow for me, Andrew, to write, I thought a pretty good blue sky post after the match last night. Please arrest the vandals who cut a 350 foot long tear in the U. S. Men's national team defense. That was kind of.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, the pool. The reflect the pool. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Because like they're going. See they've left these. They have these like imagined phantom vandals that cut the pool up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Well maybe there's imagined phantom vandals that cut up the U.S. men's team.

[Andrew Walsh]

It does sound like. And there. Is there any like kind of sports, I guess Tuesday morning quarterbacking about what did happen for the.

[Luke Burbank]

For why we lost?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, just like why they look like a different team.

[Luke Burbank]

I think it was. I think the theory is that because they're a younger team and there was, I mean there's always a lot of attention on these matches. But this was, you know, when you're playing in the earlier rounds of the World cup, it's not elimination. You could lose the match and still advance because like maybe you scored more goals in a previous match or something. This was knockout round. This is you lose, you go home. This is. They're playing in the United States, you know, it's not going to be in the US Next time. That's another thing that's kind of a bummer. Is like. Is like this is the big chance for the home team to kind of like have this, you know, incredible dream run. So they're playing at home. They're in front of mostly their own fans. It's. I know I kept going back to this last night. I don't know if they thought about this way but it's a Monday night. It's just they're the only sporting event on in the world pretty much. Well that's not true. There's probably major league baseball happening but

[Andrew Walsh]

like just there was because I was listening to the Brewers Cardinals game.

[Luke Burbank]

I love it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you think brewers won?

[Luke Burbank]

Do you think from behind or did you say the over under 200 people following that game versus following the world.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'll tell you what, I started by listening to the Dodgers Padres game but I accidentally was listening to the Dodgers broadcast and the. The announcers were literally complaining that only five Dodgers were going to the All Star game. I was like get out of and unironically without any kind of even joking about it. They were just really mad that only five Dodgers were named All Stars. I was like, get out of town with this. And so I switched things back over to where I should have started, with the Midwest, and I listened to the brewers broadcast, and it was the Brewers.

[Luke Burbank]

Who were they playing?

[Andrew Walsh]

They were playing the cards. The Cardinals.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, perfect. Those are the perfect. I consider that the ultimate counter programming to the U.S. men's National Team, with its dear leader, Donald Trump, is Brewers, Cardinals. That's as American as it gets.

[Andrew Walsh]

And by the way, I did feel like, how do I explain this? I think you'll understand it if I can find the words, which is not something I have a proven track record of today, but. So I had a lot of, like I told you, I trimmed the hedges way back, and I have all this, like, all these, like, brand, like, branches and leaves in the backyard that I'm sort of, like, kind of bagging up and was burning a bunch of branches yesterday. It was a really nice night, but I knew, going outside that there's this huge event, not only just this huge sporting event that's happening, that the country is excited about, but is happening in Seattle. And there was so much buzz about Seattle and in Seattle yesterday. And you know me, it doesn't matter kind of what the sport is like. I like that buzz, and I kind of want to be a part of it or at least, like, adjacent to it or observing it in some way. And I had this weird feeling when I went out to do this work. It's like, it's just me, these Coors lights, these leaves, and my Bluetooth radio, right? And I was like, I wanted to follow the game. And again, not at this point, with any even rooting interest other than, I guess, rooting for Seattle and rooting for the experience and wanting to be plugged into it. But the thing is, I don't even watch soccer. There is no way, if I found a radio broadcast of soccer, that I was going to be interested in it, you know? But there was a moment I was like. I feel like it felt like a phantom limb to me, sort of like, certainly if it was. If it was like, a football game of two teams I don't care about, I would have put on the football game. Because I can follow football on the radio, dummy. No good to listen to a radio broadcast of a sport I don't even watch.

[Luke Burbank]

I was twisting myself in knots yesterday, trying to think of ways before the match, how can the US Win this and yet also somehow change the narrative. Is it. And I. I knew it wasn't going to happen. Was like, does the coach not start Baligan, not play Baligan at all? Does Baligan score two own goals? Which is to say, does he accidentally kick it into our goal twice, but then we score three goals on them, so we win three to two. But everyone realizes that Baligan actually was a drag on this. Like, you know, these insane scenarios where we somehow win, but we're not cheaters

[Andrew Walsh]

or they have a. I don't know what the rules. Well, it's FIFA, so, you know, you're not allowed to have any kind of freedom of speech. But like, if they had. If they unfurled some sort of a banner or something that talked about human rights or something. You know what I mean? That counter program, the Trump message.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. None of which happened. But. But, but now the. You know, I guess the one thing is nobody cares about the fact that he cheated on our behalf because it absolutely did not work. So this will not go down as the World cup where the US Got really far into it, but shouldn't have. It just goes down as the World cup where Donald Trump. Donald Trump's attempts to cheat did not help. And where. I don't know. Spain won the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Who.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know who the favorites are. Probably Spain or something won the. You know, won. Won the whole thing. So I don't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

It would have been amazing if Donald Trump had placed a phone call and accidentally Bob Balaban was in the game. That would have been amazing.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm saying they learn it. They learn it, and then they forget it. But when do they. When do they learn it? Oh, can I. Let's see. Do we need. Should we play the Top Story sound effect?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, we need rolling here. No, I need it.

[Luke Burbank]

We need it.

[Andrew Walsh]

We need.

[Luke Burbank]

For some kind of reasons.

[Andrew Walsh]

Beginning of show chat.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, here we go.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

I started the show today by playing this. A little drop. You've been living in the monkey house, which was not. It's not just one of my favorite drops, but it was. Was chosen specifically today because I learned the backstory on that drop, Andrew, which I probably should have known because I believe that I pulled this. That audio many, many years ago while in a phase where I was watching a lot of Project Runway, which is the Bravo show about folks doing fashion design. And that's, of course, Tim Gunn, who was. I guess he was. Eventually. I think that I can't. I'm. I'm. I've lost the plot a little bit. But I think that for a while, Project Runway moved to another network or something or somehow Tim Gunn, in recent years, I think, was not invited back to be one of the judges on Project Runway, which I was shocked by because I thought of him as really the, like, emotional or. I don't know, the cause. The other judges would sort of come and go. And I know Heidi Klum was there for a while, but then I think she maybe was working on like, America's Got Talent or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

But anyway, back in the host, for whatever it's worth, I'd never seen that show. So I associate him so strongly with that show that I thought he was a host of that show, not one of several judges.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe he was. Maybe he was the host of it or one of the hosts. But he would. His job would be to go around and kind of sit down with the. With the designers while they were kind of in the midst of doing their projects and kind of like, tell them, like, this is working. This is not working. You should try more of this. And he was just great because he was kind of, in a way, he was sort of stern, but also loving. And anyway, he would say to. Sometimes he would say to a designer, he would say this. You've been living in the monkey house. And I guess I just thought. What would you think living in the monkey house means? You've been living in the monkey house.

[Andrew Walsh]

First of all, I didn't know that this was something that he said a lot. I thought he just said it once. And you grabbed the tape and I did.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe he did maybe once and it jumped out at me.

[Andrew Walsh]

And again, I have no. Just to be very clear, I'm not trying to change your opinion on any of these.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just know nothing about that show other than he's like a. He's a good looking guy. Right. He was sort of a silver fox. Or was he a silver fox? Or did he just happen to have, like, sort of silver hair? Even though he was a younger guy, but like a really sharp guy. Right. He's a.

[Luke Burbank]

He's. He's. I think he was probably. Well, I'm sure he was younger than me when he started, but I think of him as being kind of a. An elder statesman of fashion and design.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And. And so that I know that about him. And when I hear you've been living in the monkey house, that to me makes me think that you're a little crazy. You're a little bit off. You've been in a chaotic situation and your frame of reference for everything is a little bit off.

[Luke Burbank]

That is exactly what I've assumed. It's Just like you're in. You're kind of in the monkey house right now. You've kind of lost your mind. Yeah. And you're doing something that is actually crazy and you don't realize it. Well, I randomly saw Tim Gunn on a. On a. Some podcast talking about fashion the other day, and he goes back to using his monkey house thing. But he explains what he's really saying about the monkey house.

[Andrew Walsh]

It goes back to my theory about them. Well, not my theory, my adage about the monkey house at the zoo.

[Luke Burbank]

Zoo. When you first enter the monkey house at the zoo, you shriek, this place stinks.

[Andrew Walsh]

And after about 20 minutes, you think,

[Luke Burbank]

it's not so bad.

[Andrew Walsh]

And after another 10 minutes, you think, what smell? But anyone new walking into the monkey

[Luke Burbank]

house shrieks, this place stinks.

[Andrew Walsh]

So that's interesting.

[Luke Burbank]

The monkey house is. You don't smell the monkey anymore. It's in the monkey house.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nose blindness, as I believe entered into the vernacular. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

What intense topic do you think he was referring to in this interview that. That necessitated him explaining the monkey house nose blindness, monkey thing?

[Andrew Walsh]

This particular. Like him, this modern clip. I have no idea.

[Luke Burbank]

Of course, it was leggings, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, this was the case with leggings. Someone put on a pair of leggings, walked by the mirror, and said, I can't go out dressed like this. Twenty minutes later, they walk by and they think, it's not so bad. And 10 minutes later, they walk by the mirror and they say, I look hot. I love how catty this is. Maybe I should watch that show.

[Luke Burbank]

This isn't even Project Runway.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know, but I just. I. This is the most exposure I've ever had. I love him so much.

[Luke Burbank]

And then the host chimes in, I don't. The clip cuts off here, but this is the host's response. The host of the podcast.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, likings really are a phenomenon. And I was asking one of my friends who's a stylist in the city,

[Luke Burbank]

it just stops there. But, like, I love that they're just talking about the scourge of leggings. And this is what necessitates Tim Gunn breaking out his. His. His explainer on the monkey house.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. Since have we. Speaking of tape, I have some tape that I've been quasi obsessed with that once or twice I've thought to myself, should I play this on the show? And the answer has always been no, but I need to run this by you. And we're kind of in the badlands right now. And so if you'll allow this and I need to play this. I'm looking for it. Okay, I have found it. Now. I have not double checked to make sure that this isn't some sort of AI BS or something like that. AIBS is a new kind of Irritable Bowel Syndrome situation, Artificial Irritable Bowel Syndrome situation. I think this is real, but I need to give you some context for it. So I will take his name out of this because I don't know if he wants me talking about his personal business on the show. But I have a close friend, somebody that you know as well, whose parent passed away recently. And he was over here and we were cooking, we were grilling. It was just me and him and my mom had passed away recently as well. And we were just sort of, I guess the word would be kind of broing down about some stuff, you know, kind of talking about some heavy stuff and getting emotional at times. And. And one of the things now this is going to become a whole thing that we're going to end up trying to litigate on the show. But we got into a quasi debate, a very good hearted, loving debate about what legacy means. Because I was telling my friend that I am not somebody who cares about legacy. It doesn't matter to me that I am remembered when I am gone, that my name is remembered when I'm gone. What am I leaving as a legacy? I just literally could not be less interested in that. That. But one of the things I was talking about, a phenomenon of losing a parent is this idea that shared memories are just gone now. Especially for me, because I don't have kids. I don't have any siblings who have kids. So when I'm going through my mom's stuff with my sister and I'm seeing, I don't know, like, I've used this, this example before with you. Like some stool that apparently maybe my dad made that lived in our laundry room for years and years. Never thought about that stool. Saw it when I was a kid. Disappeared at one point. Then I saw it again when we were cleaning out my mom's stuff. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm having such an amazing memory of this duel. And then you can like talk about like the memories that we had in that house together. That seems so important. And it's interesting to me that when me and my sister have those conversations, they were really like memories of just four people. Me, my two parents and my sister. Right. And as we pass on, those memories just evaporate. They're just gone. And I find that interesting. There are objects that I've taken from my mom's collection that I have now that mean a lot to me, that can make me emotional to look at them or think about them. But when I pass on, like, it means nothing to anybody else. If I had kids, then maybe I'd be like, oh, this was your grandmother's, or something like that. And then there would be, like, some significance to it, but not as much as I had or that my mom had. You know what I mean? Mean. But because I don't have kids, it's like. It's literally the shared memories and the importance placed upon these memories and objects just simply disappears. Now as I'm explaining this to my friend, he's saying, yeah, you mean legacy. And I'm like saying, no, no, no, I don't care about legacy. I don't care that I'm remembered. It's just interesting to me that these memories disappear. He's saying, yeah, like legacy, like, you want these memories to stay. And it was just sort of a semantic thing. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Because I think. I think of legacy the way you think of it, which is legacy to me means how you remembered and your sort of reputation and the memories of you outside of your immediate family. Like, to me, legacy, I think of that as being almost something bigger than just like your, like, Adelaide talking about me isn't. I don't think of that as my legacy. I would. I think, you know, somebody talking about. Which of course will not happen. I. I will not have much of a legacy either when I'm gone. But I think of it as being something that's outside your family structure. Even though a lot of the terminology, when you go to do, like, the obit online, it's legacy.com, you know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I think other people might think of legacy more the way this person did, which is just like a stool within your family can be your legacy. I think of legacy as being this bigger thing that's outside of that or bigger than all that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And like, what are you doing to preserve your legacy? Is one word that is associated with it. In fact, I thought like, a good examp was. So that was one weekend, I don't know, a month or two ago. And then later that week or something, I got a flyer in the mail from my university from Kent State that said, like, cement your legacy or something like that. You know, it's like, give money. And, you know, like, that's what I think. Like, if you were to establish a school of communications, you know, at the UW and it was written about in the U dub today or whatever. That would be your legacy. The Burbank School of Communications. That would be sort of a legacy thing. So, anyway, anyway, I get this flyer that says something about your legacy with Kent State. And so I take a photo of it and I send it to my buddy. And he laughs about it. He's like, I'm still thinking about that conversation, as I am, too, by the way. I don't think that he. The reason I'm thinking about it so much is because I don't think that either one of us is necessarily right or wrong. But I think it's an interesting conversation. What his legacy. So then he sends me. I told you, this is about tape. He sends me this tape, which I believe to be real. As I play this, if it turns out that it's somehow fake. Fake, I'd be a little bit surprised. But also, listeners can double check me, I guess. But it is Mike Tyson, and there's some swears in here. And as you know, I'm not a big. I'm not a fan of Mike Tyson at all. I was not a fan of his Maha commercial during the Super Bowl. But he is standing in front of a brick wall somewhere at some sort of event center, you would guess. And he is being interviewed by a young person. And I'm going to put the young person at maybe some. Maybe. Maybe 15 years old, maybe 10 years old. I remember this interview. So you know about. This is real? You know about this? Yeah, this is.

[Luke Burbank]

It's. It's. Well, I don't want to spawn your setup.

[Andrew Walsh]

I played it a hundred times because first of all, I again, do not align myself with Mike Tyson in any way. But this is amazing what he says here. I do agree with what he's saying, but he's talking to a child who is like, she's got a big day. She gets to interview this famous person and she asks Mike Tyson about legacy. Now I think I might have to hit play and then unmute. Well, in your return to the ring for this fight, you are setting a monumental opportunity for kids my age to see the legend Mike Tyson in the ring for the first time. What type of legacy would you like to leave behind when it's all said and done? Well, I don't know. I don't believe in the word legacy. I think that's another word for ego.

[Luke Burbank]

That's just some word everybody grabbed onto.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now it's you that every five seconds,

[Luke Burbank]

it means absolutely nothing to me. I'm just passing Through, I'm a die,

[Andrew Walsh]

and it's going to be over. Who cares about legacy after that? What a big ego. So I'm a die.

[Luke Burbank]

I want people to think that I'm this. I'm great.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm. No, we're nothing. We have debt. We're dust.

[Luke Burbank]

We're absolutely nothing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Our legacy is nothing. Well, thank you so much for sharing that. That is something that I have not heard before. Someone saying, can you really imagine somebody say, I want my legacy to be this way when I. You're dead. You think somebody really wants to think about you? I want people to think about me when I'm gone.

[Luke Burbank]

Who the cares about me when I'm gone? That's great. So great.

[Andrew Walsh]

And also, the reporter's response is like, perfect, well, thank you for that. Nobody's ever put it to me, like, so professional. I give that to the response, and then he goes back. He goes back for a double dip and drops an F bomb in there. Who cares? We're dust. We're dead. Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

Incredible. The thing with Tyson is it's like he's a very complicated figure and has done a lot of bad stuff in his life, but is also just like, you never know what the guy is going to say or do the next moment, which is why he continues to be a fascinating public figure. Just saying stuff like that.

[Andrew Walsh]

My buddy who said this to me, I watch it a bunch. I played it for Genevieve, and then I was texting him. I'm just like, this is astounding. And he just wrote in quotes, hey, sweetie, how was your interview with Mike Tyson today? Just astounding. I didn't know that you knew about that. Thank you for also, like, verifying that that is a real thing. Because it's so incredible that I was like, please tell me this is not some sort of weird, deep fake thing.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I saw that some time ago, and again, I thought it was. I thought it was just so funny because of how completely he's not reading the room. But also, I love it because there's nothing less useful than, like, kid journalists.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

No offense to those kids. It's not on them. But it's like there's this kind of trope of, like, we're gonna, you know, kids rock, and so we're gonna, like, pick two kid journalists, and they're gonna get to ask a question of this famous person, and then the kid's gonna, you know, do their best kind of journalism impression, and they're gonna ask a very, very bland question. And the interview subject Is gonna give a very bland answer about believing in yourself.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just like, what do we. What are we doing here? How is this adding to anyone's life? Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, that response from Mike Tyson added to my life.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And.

[Luke Burbank]

But interesting, I think will be part of his legacy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And kudos to the kid, by the way. Like, I do think it's a great experience for kids. You know what I mean? For the kids. You know, like, I'm, I'll. I would be. So you saw this a long time ago. This kid could probably be in their 20s now.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know, about a long time ago. I mean, I think I saw it within the last year.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. So who knows? But, you know, maybe this kid will grow up to be like a great journalist. So I don't think that the experience.

[Luke Burbank]

They jumped into the deep end of

[Andrew Walsh]

the pool with that response. So poised, like, more poised than I've ever been on this show.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know how, like, yeah, you put up like an adult, you know, sports reporter, and they're interviewing a Mike Tyson and he gives that response. I don't know what they say.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And I also like that kid saying, that's interesting. I've never heard that response before. Yeah, wouldn't it be incredible if they had heard that response before?

[Andrew Walsh]

It's like, yeah, you hear that all the time.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm trying to get to if they, if they. The previous two people they'd asked the legacy question to had said, whatever, we're done, we're dead, we're over, we're done. The thing that's so refreshing about that from Mike Tyson is he is a person who could be. You could understand him actually thinking about his legacy because he is so famous and he is in a sport like boxing, where a lot of boxing is talking about the greats. It's talking about Muhammad Ali, it's talking about Joe Louis, it's talking about, you know, it's a sport that has got one foot in the past and one foot in the present. So you could see how he might be like, where do I rank among the all timers? What is my legacy going to be? So him saying he. The thing about Mike Tyson is you could also ask him this question on a different day and he could say, my legacy is everything. That's what's crazy about Mike Tyson's responses is he could decide that all that matters is his legacy. And all I care about is. Is leaving A legacy that I can be proud of and that my children can be proud of. He could also give you that answer.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. You know what I'm realizing? This might be the first part of one of those Snickers hangry commercials. This actually isn't Mike Tyson. This is just like this is this kid's dad and he hasn't had Snickers yet. They should do that. That's a free one.

[Luke Burbank]

That would be genius. That would be a freebie.

[Andrew Walsh]

So. All right. Oh, geez. I guess that's still looping in the background. I was gonna sneak up the.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, I have great news.

[Andrew Walsh]

By the way.

[Luke Burbank]

There's on Amazon, you can get a Christian politician U.S. men's National Team T shirt. It's marked down to 34.99 right now from 1 300.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, exactly. It was surge priced at a thousand dollars as of 4pm yesterday. It's down to a mere $35 right now.

[Andrew Walsh]

So. So. Oh, can I ask you a real question about this? Because I heard on one of the sports station today somebody said, well, I'm done with soccer or at least like until the next World Cup. Are you. Are you. Has this taken all of the air out of it for you? Will you consider continue to follow the competition?

[Luke Burbank]

I will watch it. I'll have to pick and I haven't. I'll have to figure out the new team that I like, am. Am rooting for, for whatever reasons that I come up with and then I'll get invested in that team winning.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, these.

[Luke Burbank]

These matches are so. It's almost like, particularly when you get into the round of 16, it's like each one is almost like a mini super bowl or something. Like they're such a big deal, particularly in their home countries that like, like, it's just kind of fun to watch them. So I'll keep following this. Yeah. So. And then, you know, next time around, when does I was it every four years?

[Andrew Walsh]

I think that'd be my guess.

[Luke Burbank]

The next time around I'll probably. I'm. I'm hoping knockwood. I think we'll have a different administration. We'll probably have a different team because again, there's a lot of turnover. I don't think we'll have the same coach. This coach that we got. His whole job was to try to get us past this round and he didn't do it.

[Andrew Walsh]

You mean when AOC is calling the head of FIFA?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Now the question is, would you be okay with AOC using her power to. To put a trans athlete back. Back onto the team who'd been banned because it's in. Because it's in Bahrain or some. Anyway, yeah, I'll be. I'll be rooting for some team down the line. I just haven't decided which team it is.

[Andrew Walsh]

So.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, that is going to do it for today's episode of tbtl. But we are going to be right back here tomorrow. Again, the countdown continues. This is our last week before we are in Valley City, Ohio, for the TBT. Elephant 17, jump in for joy. So, anyway, we'll have a Wednesday show tomorrow. Hope you can join us for it. In the meantime, have a great Tuesday. Take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all. Power out.