Episode #873: Why Can't We Stop Crying?

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL Episode #873 - "Why Can't We Stop Crying?"

Podcast Information:

• Title: TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live
• Host/Author: Luke Burbank and Jen Andrews
• Description: TBTL is a daily show hosted by two longtime friends navigating the world with humor and candid conversations.
• Episode: #873: Why Can't We Stop Crying?
• Release Date: July 27, 2011

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Introduction

In Episode #873 of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live, hosts Luke Burbank and Jen Andrews delve into the emotional realm of cinema, exploring the films and specific scenes that have the power to move audiences to tears. The episode is anchored around listener interactions, personal anecdotes, and a mix of humor that the duo is known for.

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Exploring the Saddest Movies and Scenes

Listener Poll and Main Discussion:

The episode kicks off with Luke announcing a listener poll from their website, asking, "What's the saddest movie of all time?" The discussion centers on identifying not just the saddest films but pinpointing the exact scenes that evoke the strongest emotional responses.

Highlighted Movie – The Champ:

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around The Champ, particularly the poignant scene where Ricky Schroeder's character pleads with Jon Voight's character to leave him:

Luke Burbank [11:10]: "You don't want me to go. You understand?"

Jen Andrews [11:38]: "I know. I just love that scenario."

This scene is lauded by both hosts as extraordinarily tear-jerking, supported by research mentioned by Luke, indicating that this moment in The Champ is one of the most effective at making viewers cry swiftly and intensely.

Other Notable Mentions:

Listeners contributed a variety of films known for their emotional depth, including:

• Animated Classics: Old Yeller, Bambi, Dumbo, Fox and the Hound, and Charlotte's Web.

  Jen Andrews [15:01]: "Everything where an animal dies... Anything where an animal dies."

• Dramas: Mr. Holland's Opus, Field of Dreams, Casablanca, It's a Wonderful Life, The Notebook, and Blue Valentine.

  Jen Andrews [16:03]: "Mr. Holland's Opus... the idea that you could have this moment where you find out how much you mattered."

Discussion on Emotional Triggers:

Luke and Jen explore why certain movies resonate deeply, often tied to personal connections, character development, and the portrayal of loss or unfulfilled dreams. They discuss how real-life implications, as seen in movies like Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan, affect viewers differently compared to purely fictional tear-jerkers.

Jen Andrews [14:22]: "When you don't... movies can kind of soar more, you know, because you can add in a lot more tear jerker things."

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Personal Anecdotes and Emotional Reflections

Jen's Experiences:

Jen shares her personal encounters with emotional film moments, such as watching The Champ and reflecting on how seeing loved ones cry during movies has influenced her perception.

Jen Andrews [19:21]: "I always have to just fast forward it because it just takes me back to being a little kid..."

Luke's Emotional Sojourns:

Luke discusses how certain film scenes, like those in Casablanca and Toy Story 2, impact him emotionally, especially when combined with his physical state, such as being sick or on antibiotics.

Luke Burbank [20:02]: "That's actually all mentioned in Sky's blog post is Joni Mitchell's orchestral version of Both Sides Now plays in the background while Emma weeps her eyes out."

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Listener Interactions and Call Makers Ahoy Ahoy

Call Makers Ahoy Ahoy Segment:

A recurring segment where the hosts call listeners to engage in spontaneous conversations. In this episode, they connect with Brad, who expresses frustration over the declining culture of greeting strangers.

Brad [40:39]: "People don't look up and greet people like they used to... it's rather frustrating to, you know, say good morning and be ignored."

This interaction sparks a broader discussion on societal changes, regional differences in politeness, and the impact of technology on human interactions.

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Additional Segments and Highlights

Wine Naming Contest:

The hosts invite listeners to participate in naming a new red blend wine from their sponsor, Chateau San Michel. Suggestions like "Red Gingham" and "Porch Thyme" are highlighted, encouraging listener engagement.

Jen Andrews [37:19]: "I have a whole bunch, actually. Simone and actually a couple other people sent in the idea for Red Gingham."

Music Recommendations:

Jen introduces the band David Mayfield Parade, sharing their music and promoting upcoming performances, enhancing the episode's variety.

Jen Andrews [31:30]: "There's a band that I really, really like called the David Mayfield Parade... he's playing in Seattle this Saturday night."

Listener Emails and Stories:

Several listener emails are read and discussed, ranging from humorous anecdotes about wardrobe malfunctions to heartfelt stories about personal growth and family misunderstandings.

Listener Denise [52:21]: "The only problem with the fishnets is that my preschool age son licks my legs when I wear them..."

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Wrap-Up and Upcoming Events

As the episode draws to a close, Luke and Jen reflect on past events, such as their unique prom experience, and tease upcoming activities like mailing out signed posters and hosting a book club discussion on The Hunger Games. They maintain their trademark humor and camaraderie, encouraging listener participation and expressing gratitude for the engaged community.

Jen Andrews [63:17]: "I just thought we could really surprise people. Everyone get it in the mail."

Luke Burbank [66:18]: "But we could use some help. So I will put a thing up on the website."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jen Andrews [00:14]: "There's something to live for."

• Jen Andrews [03:22]: "I'm trying to be strong this time because last time..."

• Jen Andrews [15:01]: "People just mentioned Charlotte's Web. Anything where an animal dies."

• Jen Andrews [16:03]: "Mr. Holland's Opus... the idea that you could have this moment where you find out how much you mattered."

• Jen Andrews [19:21]: "I think it's Dumbo... when she's in the cage."

• Jen Andrews [42:12]: "I was born and raised in Seattle, but I always say hi just because it makes me feel so awkward not to."

• Luke Burbank [11:10]: "You don't want me to go. You understand?"

• Luke Burbank [54:44]: "I just want to throw that in."

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Conclusion

Episode #873 of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live offers a heartfelt exploration of why certain movies and scenes have an enduring emotional impact on audiences. Through engaging discussions, listener contributions, and personal reflections, hosts Luke and Jen provide a comprehensive look into the mechanics of cinematic sadness and its effects on viewers. The episode not only identifies key milestones in sad cinema but also fosters a community connection by inviting listener participation and sharing diverse perspectives on emotional storytelling.

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

It's the first line of the film, man. It's got to be on the money here. It's all right. Okay, cut. All right, man. It's got to give it some passion too, man. And you gotta. It's all right. It's okay.

[Jen Andrews]

There's something to live for.

[Luke Burbank]

Jesus told me so. It's all right. Something to live for.

[Jen Andrews]

Jesus told me so.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, that's fine. You gotta watch your teeth too. Cause they clack a little bit when they loosen up in the mouth.

[Susie Burbank]

Tbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

So many things to be aware of when you're executing a Wednesday afternoon edition of tbtl, the show that is probably too beautiful to live. Oh, please allow me. I'll just circumvent you. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host, weighing in at £190, Dukes. Dukes indeed. We got a good show for you on this Wednesday.

[Jen Andrews]

Hi, this is Luke's mom, Susie. Coming tonight on tbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

We put the question out to the tens of listeners at the website. What's the saddest movie of all time? What makes people all over America break down and cry like this? You had some ideas and we will read through them and try to get to the answer of what the saddest movie and saddest movie scene of all time is. Also, it's Wednesday, so yeah, it's pretty cool. We will tell you about things that are pretty cool. And another Wednesday tradition is a segment we call Call Makers Ahoy Ahoy. Where we call you at your worker office and we ask that you answer the phone by saying ahoy hoy. We've got all that to get to, but not before we introduce Jen the road dog Andrews. I love Jesus, but I drink a little. I should say you're not the road dog because that makes it. You're my road dog.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah, I was go.

[Luke Burbank]

That is like. That makes more sense to call you road dog. Sounds like you're haggard.

[Jen Andrews]

You haven't called me your road dog in a long time.

[Luke Burbank]

We should find that call. That call. That was pretty great. What was the backstory? Somebody called up and just said you.

[Jen Andrews]

Were getting your ex wife's name taken off your tag.

[Luke Burbank]

And someone said I should have.

[Jen Andrews]

She said you should put Jen's name on there cause she's your road dog.

[Luke Burbank]

That was great. So we.

[Jen Andrews]

She was like a 70 year old lady who called in. That was one of those times where we just decided to answer the phone.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. Because it was just ringing and ringing and ringing. Then how did you get the nickname Flash?

[Jen Andrews]

I was At a dinner party. And this woman who was from Britain, who was living in America, and her son played on a little league team.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, right.

[Jen Andrews]

She was infuriated because the coach had given nicknames to all the kids, but the nicknames didn't match their talent level. And she was like. And he named this one boy Flash. And he's the slowest kid I've ever seen. It made me sick. And so I said to you, I would love to be called Flash. And you were like, done.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow. I'm glad you remember how these things start, because I have no idea. I'm particularly foggy today because I am actually sick. If you listen to the radio show today, you did not hear my voice because I'm not even supposed to be here today. Cause I'm. I don't know what's going on. I woke up very early this morning with very. A lot of throwing up happening.

[Jen Andrews]

Oh.

[Luke Burbank]

So that was good. That was a fun. That was a fun morning. Anyway, I like the fact that I did make it here for the podcast.

[Jen Andrews]

Yes, I like that you know where your bread's butter.

[Luke Burbank]

Indeed, indeed. I hope nobody from Cairo is listening because they will go. If you made it to the GD podcast, if you made it to the imaginary show, how did you not make it to the real show? But anyway, will be kind of probably on the little bit on the shorter side today, just because I gonna go back and put a. Put a stake on my eye or something. You don't really do that for the flu, do you? That's for if you got punched in the eye, right? What do you do for the flu? Cold compress, a poultice.

[Jen Andrews]

I think you just gotta tough it.

[Luke Burbank]

Out being a baby. I had some pho, so that was good soup. Yeah. Yeah. That actually had me feeling a lot, a lot better.

[Jen Andrews]

So I'm going back to the dermatologist today. Cause my capillary is kind of back a little bit. And she had said that it was possible that I would need a second hot tip.

[Luke Burbank]

Wait. But you're being very casual about it. But as we learned, that's a painful procedure that causes your eyes to water. I can't believe how upbeat you are about it.

[Jen Andrews]

Well, I feel better because I did not take any aspirin or alcohol as I did last time, so there won't be uncontrollable bleeding.

[Luke Burbank]

Just the tip. Just the tip. Well, I wish you luck with that. And I hope that they can. Hope they can get the situation.

[Jen Andrews]

I'm trying to be strong this time because Last time she was like, I see some other ones. Do you want me to go after those?

[Luke Burbank]

No.

[Jen Andrews]

This time I really want to be strong and say, get it all.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you going to bring a piece of leather to bite down on or you gonna squeeze Jason's hand or something? Jason, does Jason have to go with you on something like this?

[Jen Andrews]

No.

[Luke Burbank]

Really? I find that surprising because you guys are inseparable. You do a lot of things together that I don't think are always necessarily couple activities, you know? But this is one where it would be nice to have somebody that holds your hand.

[Jen Andrews]

We had an actual issue about this because I used to go with him to his physical because I felt like he would forget to tell the doctor all the things that I wanted him to mention. Like, every single year. I say, will you please tell them that your snoring is increasing? And I can tell that Jason's increased snoring does not bother Jason because he doesn't ever bring it up. So I used to go in with him, and finally one day he said to me, that makes me feel like my mom is with me. He said, because you do all the talking and you interrupt me when I start to say something and you explain the situation. So we've decided from now on that we're gonna wait in the waiting room like big boys and girls and not accompany one another.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that's. I guess that's. I guess it was. It was time.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

It was time for Jason to be allowed to go to the doctor, at least be in the room by himself. You know, yesterday we had that interview with George R.R. martin, the author of A Song of Fire and Ice, and somebody tweeted that I should have put spoiler alert on the show. He said, I'm still reading the first book. Did we spoil anything? I haven't even read. I haven't even read the first book. I mean, I read a couple of questions from Twitter. It was like, is so and so dead? But he said he couldn't comment.

[Jen Andrews]

But then people knew that they seemed dead. That. You know what I mean?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

That the character had died.

[Luke Burbank]

Really?

[Jen Andrews]

I mean, they might not have known about that.

[Luke Burbank]

Which one is he? Well, that character. I guess we're just spoiling it again, aren't we?

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah. But, you know, a very, very, very, very main character dies in the first book.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Jen Andrews]

And so maybe people felt like that.

[Luke Burbank]

Kind of thing, but I didn't bring that. Oh, no. I read one tweet was, why you kill off all your awesome characters. Maybe that's what was Being that's not a spoiler. I don't think it was very specific. The reason it wasn't that specific is because I don't. I haven't read the books yet, so I don't have a hugely specific.

[Jen Andrews]

I'm only in the second book now, so I'm. I'm not. I didn't feel like you spoiled anything.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, thank you. I was just worried about that because. Although the other thing is, I mean, at this point with how long the books have been out, I mean, I feel like you don't have people. People don't get to be mad. You set up a very great. People should listen back to the show, Jen. You set up a really great framework for what can and can't be spoiled.

[Jen Andrews]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

And definitely those books are really spoiled at this point. Yeah, Years and years and years they've been around.

[Jen Andrews]

By the way, I was gonna tell people that there's this new website called HBO Go. And you can see all of the HBO shows on the website, all of the Game of Thrones. You can catch up on all, you know, True Blood, Entourage, all of the HBO shows are all [e-mail] so. So it's great because if you're a subscriber, you can just log onto it and then you can watch HBO at work on your computer.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that legal? I mean, is it through hbo?

[Jen Andrews]

It's through hbo.

[Luke Burbank]

Ah, I got it.

[Jen Andrews]

They set it up. So if you're a subscriber to hbo, you can basically access HBO shows anytime you want on your laptop, anytime you want. And so, like, one of our listeners, I won't say her name, she was telling me that she was upset because Game of Thrones wasn't on right now. And I said, oh, just go to HBO Go. And then she emailed me next day from her work saying, I'm watching them right now.

[Luke Burbank]

If you're interested in the Game of Thrones. Well, I guess the series is a song of fire and ice. Lindy west wrote a really funny little sort of write up on the series of books in the Stranger this week. She said that she's a sucker for any book that has a fictional map on the COVID That's her life policy is she'll read any book with a fictional map on the COVID And these books have fictional maps on the front and back. And then she goes through and she just does these little bullet points that are so hilarious. I mean, hilarious in a kind of inappropriate way. But, you know, it's Lindy, she's like, she's talking about. She says, have a vagina. You're probably getting raped in it. Have intestines, you're definitely getting stabbed in them. I hope you like outfits. Sometimes George R.R. martin will stop in the middle of a battle to go on for 100 pages about enameled armor and filigreed shields and the sigil adorning everyone. And I mean everyone's doublet. Just go with it. She says, it's really, really sandy. And Dorne, Seriously, George, we get it. Everyone rides their sand horse down to the sand hole to pick up their sandwiches and eat their sand sandwiches washed down with sand milk from the sand teeth of the sand camel. We are following you here. And then she writes that one guy really likes drowning people. Again, we get it. We really, really get it. Oh, my God, we get it. I can't tell if it's racist or not. There's all kinds of barbaric and swarthy slave traders and such eating horse meat across the sea, but at least they're not evil. The most evil people in the books are the world's blondest Aryans. But even they're not evil. Exactly. I think there are some black people here and there, but I'm not clear on exactly what it is they do or where they come from. Anyway, if you're feel like that's kind of obsessing over this whole thing, go read Lindy's piece and the Stranger this week. It's really, really funny. All right. Yesterday we brought you the story of these researchers who had managed to figure out through showing sad movie clips to people what movie clip makes people cry the fastest, the most, quickly brings them to tears. And it's from the movie the Champ with Jon Voight and Ricky Schroeder. And I assumed that it was the, as Vanessa calls it, go on git scene where Jon Voight's character, he's a kind of like a down and out boxer and he knows that he's no good for his son, Ricky Schroeder. So he, he tells Ricky Schroeder to get, you know, out of his life. And Ricky Schroeder, who's the most adorable thing on two legs, is, well, this is what that scene. Look, you're going. That's it. I want you going. Whatever you say, as long as I'm with you, I don't want to talk no more. I want you to go. I want you to go in the boat.

[Jen Andrews]

No, you don't.

[Luke Burbank]

You don't want me to go. You understand? Now I want Me to go. You're a liar. That's where he slaps him. Okay, Champ. God, I seriously feel like crying just from that 30 seconds and what he's like, I won't eat much.

[Jen Andrews]

I know.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God. But actually, the scene. Who wrote the Champ. What kind of a sadist wrote this movie and made Ricky Schroeder say these lines? I mean, because, like, that could be the saddest thing in history. Except that actually the scene that made people cry the fastest was when the Champ dies.

[Susie Burbank]

Champ, wake up.

[Jen Andrews]

Wake up.

[Luke Burbank]

No way. Wake up, Champ, wake up. Champ, go to sleep now. You gotta go home. Gotta go home. Champ. Totally worked.

[Jen Andrews]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm seriously. I'm seriously tearing up right now. Oh, my God. Side note, and I think I've said this before with relation to this, but how is it that every conversation with Ricky Schroeder isn't about how awesome he was in the Champ?

[Jen Andrews]

Like, I think a lot of them.

[Luke Burbank]

Are silver spoons kind of overshadowed it in terms of pop culture. And then he came back around with NYPD Blue.

[Jen Andrews]

Right?

[Luke Burbank]

And. But I mean, because, like, I actually only became aware of the Champ because of Vanessa. I didn't even know this movie existed as of like three years ago. And I feel like it's the. The acting that he conducts in that movie is so good, it's so affecting. And I just feel like that's kind of. We're burying the lead on Rick Schroeder. I know you had a house with a remote control front door and a train in it, and Carlton was your best friend. I know that stuff. But let's talk about Champ. Anyway. So that's the scene. Now, Jen, you threw it open to the web folk. That would be the people that Visit our website, tbtl.net, and there's like 40 something comments about the saddest movie of all time. Now, you wanted to set up some sort of ground rules because this is. There are. There are a wide range of movies that could get included on this list of the saddest movie and the saddest scene.

[Jen Andrews]

Right. Well, and that I think that was the first distinction is they're not looking. They're not talking about the saddest movie. They're talking about the scene that makes you cry. The hardest and fastest. And so it's really the saddest movie scene, which is a kind of a distinction. And then I was just thinking, I was reading through all these posts and all the emails that people sent, and I was thinking that maybe you Also take out of the running stories based on true stories like Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan, you know, those kinds of.

[Luke Burbank]

I also think that those. It's weird in a way. Those movies make me. Those movies are not as sad making for me, which is crazy because they're based on a thing that really happened.

[Jen Andrews]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

They should be. And I think those things make you more sad because I think you're very aware of like this is a thing that happened to a real person.

[Jen Andrews]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Would you say that's accurate?

[Jen Andrews]

Yes. Yes. But I also think that when you don't, when you aren't confined by the actual facts, the movies can kind of soar more, you know, because you can add in a lot more tear jerker things. So I say so if we take out. And I also noticed that not very many people mentioned stories that are true in our blog. So I think we kind of take out the true life stuff and then over and over and over it's animals. Old Yeller, Bambi, Dumbo, Fox and the Hound, Marley and me. My dog Skip. I mean, people just mentioned Charlotte's Web. Anything where an animal dies.

[Luke Burbank]

Turner and Hooch.

[Jen Andrews]

Turner and Hooch. You got it. I almost feel like that should have its own category also, Animals dying. Because there's something that's so deep, deep in when an animal dies in a movie that just. I don't know where the red fern grows. Like, maybe we just take those out also and put them in their own category. Saddest animal dying.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I don't think I really get sad over animal dying movies. I mean, I'm not happy about it, but like I'm. That's another one that doesn't really. It's really just the champ. It's the only movie that makes me. Oh, Brian Song. Matt Lattanzi. Good reference. Matt Lattanzi. That's why I live in a teepee. Brian song. I remember seeing that when I was a little kid and just being devastated by that.

[Jen Andrews]

I think there's a certain brand of movie that particularly makes men cry. And I think there's something about when men cry that totally brings women, like, to weeping historically. Like, there's something about seeing my dad cry that totally destroyed me.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Jen Andrews]

And so. And crazy. Like, my dad cried at Lucas and so I tried to ask him afterward, like, did you get bullied? You know, I was trying to like, get to the.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you suffer from leukoplakia?

[Jen Andrews]

I was trying to.

[Luke Burbank]

I did suffer from that movie because everybody called me Leukoplakia in, like, middle school.

[Jen Andrews]

So I think that, like, when you see your. Your brother or your dad or your husband or partner or whoever crying, that also can trigger something in you. Because I feel like a movie that people bring up over and over and over is Field of Dreams. And I think it's. There's something about that Father, Son, connect. The story when. When Kevin Costner says the story about the last thing he said to his father when he left home and then his father died and his father comes back to play catch with him from the field of dreams. And I think that's a movie that kind of really does men in.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

And. And then also Dave and Stanwood actually mentioned something I thought was great, which he said, everybody can talk about up. Because that's, like, so sad when the woman dies. But the movies where you die not because somebody died, when you cry not because somebody died, but because the scenario is moving to you on some other level. Because another movie people bring up a lot is Mr. Holland's opus. And I think it's that idea of. That we all have these kind of grandiose dreams, and at the end of our life, if we didn't fulfill those grandiose dreams, we think that somehow we didn't matter. And the idea that you could have this. This moment where you find out how much you mattered, kind of like in its wonderful life, like in Mr. Holland's opus, when all of his former students come and play for him and he realizes, like, I matter to these people. I may not have ever written a great symphony, but I matter to these people. A lot of people really weep.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Oh, that's a. But that's a good one. You mentioned in passing, which is this one. It's a Wonderful Life. That one for me is like.

[Jen Andrews]

Which scene gets you the most?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I mean, I guess the. I guess the ending scene, which is, you know, kind of how it's. It's constructed to do that. I mean, there are a lot of points in the movie that are kind of emotional, but because for me, it's.

[Jen Andrews]

Mr. It's. It's. When Mr. Gower finds out his son died.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, God.

[Jen Andrews]

And he's hitting him.

[Luke Burbank]

Hit him in the ear, and he's.

[Jen Andrews]

Saying, I know what happened. I know you didn't mean to do it.

[Luke Burbank]

That is actually such. You. Right. Jeez, I totally forgot about that. But that is like. And also Casablanca. I actually get pretty. I get kind of weepy at the end.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know why.

[Jen Andrews]

I think that's what's interesting though. I think there's some movies that for some reason touch something in us and it's not. It's not an obvious reason.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, totally.

[Jen Andrews]

Those stick with you.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. In fact, if I feel like, although I've just mentioned movies that are definitely trying to overtly tug at your heartstrings, but if I feel like they're trying to manipulate me, the filmmaker, I'm usually like less likely to go for it. Interesting. SMB at the website put that this person, I don't know if it's a boy or girl. I assume it's a girl. I may hear from them. If not. Went to the Notebook. I saw this at a matinee alone. Everyone in theater was sobbing like crazy by the end. So, so soapy. But it can't be avoided. They might have meant to say sappy. Or maybe that's a different way to say sappy. Soapy. I remember seeing myself in the mirror afterwards and thinking how, how that was not a pretty cry. I mean sobbing. Something about my elderly crying. Crying really gets me. About the elderly crying really gets me. And somebody else put that old people. I can't find the comment anymore. But that old people dying gets to them.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Which I kind of feel like, oh, it's Snickle. Someone called Snickel. Although I have to say, I will soon be an old person and I won't want to be, you know, at the end of the line. But it's less sad to me than like a kid dying. Right.

[Jen Andrews]

Well, I think it's more like in the Notebook, Jenna Rollins has Alzheimer's and James Garner, finally. And they've had this like amazing love story. And finally at the very end of the movie, and he's all in his right mind, he just lays down on the bed next to her and they die.

[Luke Burbank]

And it's really like, is Ryan Gosling in that?

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah. Ryan Gosling plays young and so they die together. Yeah. And it's really, really sad.

[Luke Burbank]

And then also, spoiler alert, guys. Sorry.

[Jen Andrews]

And then another one that people mentioned is Toy Story. Pixar also should have their own category. I think maybe they should.

[Luke Burbank]

They know I haven't seen Toy Story 3. Everyone is like, you have to see this movie. I bit torrented it, but it was in Chinese.

[Jen Andrews]

Have you seen Toy Story 2? Yes, because I think that's actually when Jessie sings When she Loved Me. I think that's actually the biggest tear jerker of all three movies because. And that kind of relating to elderly people. I mean, that idea of that you Outgrow your usefulness is to me, like, so devastating. Like, I was sobbing during that scene because we all want to be useful, you know, And I just kept thinking about, like, grandparents whose grandkids never call. And, you know, I was just getting so upset.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's see. Lion King. Anna Banana says that the Lion King always gets her. She says she's tearing up even thinking about it right now. Sky blue sky. He cites the Champions, the scene in Love, actually, when Emma Thompson opens her Christmas present and realizes her husband is having an affair. Yes.

[Jen Andrews]

Oh, my gosh, I forgot about that. Because she saw him, she accidentally found the locket, and so she thought he was giving her a locket for Christmas. And when she opens the gift, it's not the locket, and she realizes he bought it for someone else. And you see the realization crash down on her that Alan Rickman is cheating on her. And she gets up and she says.

[Luke Burbank]

Snape is such a dick. And she says, shut the glass.

[Jen Andrews]

Allow me to absent myself for just a moment. And she goes in her bedroom and she just sits on the bed and starts to weep. And like, Joni Mitchell is soaring in the background. It's.

[Luke Burbank]

That's actually all mentioned in Skye's blog post is Joni Mitchell's orchestral version of Both Sides now plays in the background while Emma weeps her eyes out. Another romantic comedy. This is still sky blue sky, Sleepless in Seattle. Seriously, when he imagines his wife coming back to talk to him and then disappears and he's sitting alone in the dark by himself, that's such an undercurrent of sadness and longing in Tom Hanks scene. And that scene in particular slays me. Now. Let me ask you this, Jen. You were talking about seeing your dad cry at the movie. Lucas did that. Like, I. If I'm at a movie with Addie and I'm. I'm crying, or even if I was watching a movie with Vanessa and I was about to. Because I cry all the time. I mean, I've cried three times during today's show just talking about crying, but I feel. Do feel a little unmanly. And I try to hide my. I try to hide my. I feel like it's under. It's destabilizing for a kid to see her dad crying at, like, you know, Transformers 3, Rise of the Machine.

[Jen Andrews]

No, I love.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't cry at that movie or see it.

[Jen Andrews]

I always loved it because it reminded me that my dad had an internal life, which I think is really important. Like those. Which is actually what the book the Divine Secrets of the Yahya Sisterhood is about. Is about these women realizing that their mothers have their own stories, you know, and it would always, like, kind of be jarring because it would remind me, like, oh, he's a real person who has his own. Like, that was the whole thing with Lucas. I was kind of gently on the way home. I was, like, 14, so I wasn't very gentle about it. It was like, so why were you crying? Were you bullied? Like, it was so fascinating to me that he had some kind of life history that would make him cry during that movie and in Field of Dreams and several different times when he cried. I liked it because it always made me interested in him.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that's. I've mentioned the show before. I think that I'm a big. I will just cry in the car when I'm Dr. Addie, if a good song is on. Yeah. I'm actually getting a little emotional thinking about it because I'm also sick, so my biochemistry is really out of whack today. I also want to tell everyone I'm on a lot of antibiotics. I'm very emotional. Jen and I's periods have synchronized. It's a very emotional show today. No, but, yeah, because, you know, you're driving, and, like, a lot of it is related to my kid being around, but it's like, everything's right in the world. The right song is playing, you know, and you just.

[Jen Andrews]

This is a good moment.

[Luke Burbank]

This is a good moment. Like, you want to just kind of. You want to remember it. You want to be like, you know, you want to really take note of those kind of moments.

[Jen Andrews]

I was gonna tell you. My sister and I went to see the movie Alive together.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

The soccer group crash in the Andes and end up having to eat some of their fellow people. So she. For some reason, and unless it happened in a former life, I don't know of any time that she practiced cannibalism at all. So I want to say that right off the bat.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure, sure. And I've known your sister for years as well, and that's not. That's not part of her personal history that I'm aware of.

[Jen Andrews]

Me either. But we left the theater and we had to get in an elevator, and she was crying. The kind of, like, sobbing crying where the snot and the tears are spurting, like what happens in cartoon. She was crying that kind of crying in a way that she couldn't. She couldn't hold it in. So it was like. Like that. And we had to ride in this elevator, like, really far down. And I'm sure people in that elevator thought that she had been in a plane crash or. You know what I mean? Like, it was the kind of crying that you would think that she was reliving kind of thing.

[Luke Burbank]

And I just think she had been in the. On that plane.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, you didn't see her in the background. She was the white girl.

[Jen Andrews]

And I just feel like there is. There is a kind of movie that is so sad in a way that's almost cruel that I don't even enjoy going to it. Like, I like to get a little weepy.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

But I don't want it to be just, like, so awful that you just ruined your whole life.

[Luke Burbank]

How about. Here's a modern classic, Blue Valentine. Did you see Blue Valentine? Holy guacamole. It is Ryan Gosling and. And what's her name, Michelle Williams, are incredible in the movie, but it's just like, it's just a. It's like a series of kicks to your heart face. It's so hard to watch. And it's so, like, it's so well done that it really works. Like, you're just like, oh, my God, the whole movie is really heartbreaking. Yeah. Somebody also mentioned Dumbo. Actually, a few people mentioned Dumbo. And, and, and I had forgotten about Dumbo. But then I was reminded of the scene where the mom sings to him and has to put her trunk.

[Jen Andrews]

That's when she's in the cage.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God. See, that's another question. Is like, it was Disney. Were they being kind to us by, like, Bambi's mom dying? No.

[Jen Andrews]

Fox and the Hound, all those Spoiler alert.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, was that. Should they have traumatized our. I mean, was it. Is that a good thing to lay on a child?

[Jen Andrews]

I think that's a really good question. I would love to know what. I actually know that we have some child development people in who listen to the show who are experts in that. Because I wonder, because those. Some of those movies really deeply upset me when I was a little kid.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. And I don't think there's actually a. I mean, why is there. Why are there 43 or 4, now 45 comments about sad movies? A lot of them, ones we watched in childhood, were scarred by it. Right. It's not. I don't know if it's character. If it's a character building exercise or if it's just kind of like just painful.

[Jen Andrews]

I know, I know some of them just go too far. But, like, even to this. Allison Krause has a version of Baby Be Mine from Dumbo that the mom sings. And I always have to just fast forward it because it just takes me back to being a little kid and especially when, like, somebody's mom dies. This is really traumatic when you're a little kid in the movie theater.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And it, and it really, it really scares you thinking about your own parents dying and stuff. All right, any. Do we miss anything? Is there anything else that we. So, So I don't know if we established this. I am still voting for. I honestly think that scene from the Champ is for me still the most tear jerking scene. What do you think for you?

[Jen Andrews]

I think it's the other scene in the Champ.

[Luke Burbank]

Right.

[Jen Andrews]

And I loaded them both yesterday. And I have to say that the Wake Up, Champ scene had me crying the quickest, the hardest. So I actually think that might be in terms of getting you to cry the hardest, the quickest. That might be it.

[Luke Burbank]

You might be right. I mean, and those researchers might be right. Anyway, thanks to everybody who emailed in on that and also posted stuff to the website. That was a heartbreaking. It's a heartbreaking interaction for all of us. So thank you for that. It's Wednesday, and so it's pretty cool. We usually take a moment, we tell you about some things that are pretty cool. I. I'm gonna blame it on being a little bit sick. I. Although even on weeks when I'm not sick, I rarely have anything anymore. I have to. I need to really. I need to really just check in with the kid every week and say, what are you interested in? Because the only Pretty Cools I have now are passed on to me by her. But you luckily have an abundance of things that you'd like to point out. Flash, what's pretty cool in your world this week?

[Jen Andrews]

So Grace Coddington is a fashion editor at Vogue, and she kind of stole the show in the documentary the September issue, which was a huge hit last year, about the making of the September issue of Vogue. And she just signed a $1.2 million book deal. And I promise you it's based on that documentary because she.

[Luke Burbank]

I never even heard about this.

[Jen Andrews]

Anna Wintour came across as being a little bit, well, quite aloof, but also really, like, not appreciative of the people's work around her. Like, she just would just say, nope, we're not doing any of that. That people have just spent hours on, you know, And Grace has been there for ever since. Grace predates Anna Wintour and she kind of Stole the Movie because she's really funny and had her whole little side story. So it reminded me to tell people that Netflix is streaming it for free and I'm sure you can also get it at Redbox. But it's called the September Issue and it won a lot of awards in documentaries. It's a great documentary. It's really funny and snippy and it's a fun, snarky watch to see how they do that. And then the whole. The story about Amy Winehouse reminded me because, you know, Russell Brand wrote this really beautiful tribute to her on his website and it reminded me how much I enjoyed his book, My Bookie Wook, which sounds ridiculous and he is a bit ridiculous. And if you don't like Russell Brand at all, this is not the book for you. But if you like him.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

It's his story of his addiction. He was a drug addict and then he was also a sex addict and he went to rehab for both of them at different times. And he tells kind of the whole story of his life. It's very funny. It's very poignant. You'll cry, you'll laugh really, really hard.

[Luke Burbank]

So he is pretty, like, centered after. I mean, he still plays this outrageous guy, but he's very centered. Right. Because I think I said on the show that I didn't think there was any way he was gonna be faithful to Katy Perry. But maybe I'm just. Maybe I'm just basing that on his image as a sort of bon vivant and rapscallion. But really, you're saying based on reading his book, he's like. Cause he's clean and sober, apparently, and not as far as we know, cheating on Katy Perry. So he's got that stuff under control.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah, I don't really know. I don't know about his marriage, but he defin.

[Luke Burbank]

He's got to stop tweeting pictures of her without her makeup on. That is not cool like that. I don't blame her.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah, he definitely. I know that he. He practices Zen meditation and he really. He's really good writer. It's really funny. So I recommend Booky Wook if you like Russell.

[Luke Burbank]

Right after you get done reading the Hunger Games. Yeah, people.

[Jen Andrews]

And then.

[Luke Burbank]

Which, by the way, is a good chance to remind people we're having a book club at the Sorrento hotel on Sunday 7th August starts at what time? 5pm, 5pm and we are going to try to figure out some kind of Internet component. So if you are somewhere else in America you could log in and there's gonna be a webcast of it. And you could even make some comments about the book, the Hunger Games. Okay. I just thought I'd say that that.

[Jen Andrews]

Was a good little plug.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you. Thank you very much.

[Jen Andrews]

And then there's a band that I really, really like called the David Mayfield Parade. And they opened for the Avett Brothers back in January. When I saw them. They're kind of part of that same. Well, there's Dave Mayfield, and then his sister is Jessica Lee Mayfield, who's kind of a indie folk hero. And then the Avetts, and there's kind of this whole group that's from that area of the country, South Carolina type area. And I really, really like him a lot. And he's playing in Seattle this Saturday night.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you have a song? We're gonna play a song from him. I mean, I've got his music player up here on my computer at his website. Which song were you thinking of playing?

[Jen Andrews]

Well, my very favorite is Breath of Love, but I have. I think I've already played that on the show.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, you have? Well, what about. I Just Might Pray.

[Jen Andrews]

Why don't I play one?

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Okay.

[Jen Andrews]

Can you go to me?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, I can go to you. All right, so this is David Mayfield Parade. And where's he playing again?

[Jen Andrews]

The mix.

[Luke Burbank]

The hotel.

[Jen Andrews]

Is it a hotel? It's in Georgetown.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no, no, no, no. That's a new place. Yeah, I've been hearing about that place.

[Jen Andrews]

The mix, this Saturday night.

[Luke Burbank]

The mix in Georgetown. Yep. Okay. And what's the song that we're gonna hear?

[Jen Andrews]

This is Far Away Love.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. A little David Mayfield, the David Mayfield Parade. Back with more TBTL in just a moment.

[Susie Burbank]

Don't make it true. And I don't know why I'm feeling this way? You're standing beside me and all I can say is Love feels so far away from me. I fear that it's nearly gone And I would give anything if only to bring it back to my heart. Like a shadow I could jump on and leave you behind as if the light of the sun didn't shine. It's morning when you're sleeping. I wish I could stay and hold you a while and make it okay. Love feels so far away from me I fear that it's nearly gone And I would give.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, that's some David Mayfield. David Mayfield Parade here on tbtl. It's the show that's probably too beautiful to live. Luke Burbank here with Jen Road Dog Andrews. Hey, Jen. Sadness. Did you Hear, Rick the peanut guy died.

[Jen Andrews]

I knew he was in critical condition.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, he had an aneurysm. Yeah. If you are not from Seattle, there it was this guy who was the, like, kind of the famous peanut guy at the Mariners games. He had been selling peanuts since the beginning of the Mariners existence in the 70s at the Kingdome and then moved over to save CO Field. But his whole. His claim to fame was he would throw the peanuts behind his back to you. And he was, like, from far.

[Jen Andrews]

Like, from the next section over.

[Luke Burbank]

And he was amazing. Like, he had this little move where he would crimp. Like, he would. You know, the peanuts would come in a foil bag and he would sort of make sure to re. Crimp the sort of opening so that it was really tightly packed and wasn't gonna come open. And then he would just whip that thing behind his back just on a laser beam. And it would, like. It would be great because people would be raising their hand for peanuts, and then he would just whip this thing, and it would, like, hit him in the chest, and sometimes it would explode.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah. I always was super, super, super nervous, and I'd say, I'm nervous. I was always so scared.

[Luke Burbank]

He was great. You know, every town has, you know, one of these kind of guys who's the, you know, sort of local, you know, teams, like, almost mascot or something. But anyway, rest in peace. Rick Kaminsky, the Mariner's peanut guy. I sent a tweet that was unintentionally homoerotic. I said, rip peanut guy, Rick, whip a bag of hot nuts at St. Peter behind the back. Dude, every single part of that sounds homoerotic. I didn't mean it to.

[Jen Andrews]

That's awesome.

[Luke Burbank]

I know. I was like, oh, gosh. All right. We. We're having a. A really exciting opportunity for all of you to. To take part in the naming of a. A new wine, Sweet Berry Wine from Chateau San Michel. They're the official wine sponsor of tbtl. They have a new red blend wine. It's Indian Hills. And they were. Jen was having a meeting with him the other day, and they said, we're trying to come up with a name for this. Why don't you turn it over to the tens of listeners? And so you guys have been suggesting names like crazy. And it should be pointed out, if you haven't been listening to the show yet this week, if you suggest a name that they like, they are going to actually name the freaking wine the name that you suggest, and it will be on bottles of wine. You could Go into a store and point at. And go. I did that.

[Jen Andrews]

Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

So if you want to take part, email me and Jen and put like wine Name or Chateau St. Michel name. The other thing we're kind of hoping would be there would be a way to subversively work a TBTL reference into it, but if that's impossible, that's okay too. Just, we want to come up with a good name. So do you have any new submissions, Jennifer?

[Jen Andrews]

I have a whole bunch, actually. Simone and actually a couple other people sent in the idea for Red Gingham. Oh, I think is a great idea.

[Luke Burbank]

That's really funny. That's, of course, a reference to the only shirt I own.

[Jen Andrews]

And then this one. I thought Adelaide was actually a really cool name for a while.

[Luke Burbank]

That is a great idea from Luke R. Smart People.

[Jen Andrews]

He also sent nargules, which I think is not a good name, but Adelaide is very cool.

[Luke Burbank]

That is a. That's a. That's a great. That's a great suggestion. That sounds. Is this what he was talking about? I think it's the mating call of the sow bellied Nargawy.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah. That's when you got that weird train whistle.

[Luke Burbank]

That was the Mystery Solvers, where I was hearing a train whistle while I was. Was it here or was it my Capitol Hill place? So far away from any train tracks and so loud. And we called somebody with like Burlington Northern or something like that somehow the. The port. Oh, that goes with the port.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Because technically the trains are under the auspices of the Port of Seattle for some reason.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah. And he said that he was pretty sure that you would be able to hear it in the middle of the night if it was quiet out. It was that loud.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. It's incredible. Anyway, so that's a great idea. I like Adelaide, the name for the wine a lot. Although she may have mixed feelings about. About having a wine named after her.

[Jen Andrews]

Anna sent in par 10.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Jen Andrews]

And then Diana sent the idea for Porch Thyme.

[Luke Burbank]

Ooh, that's a. I like that. Porch Thyme. I think Porch Thyme and Red Gingham are two strong contenders because that's very much in fashion right now to name wines like, you know, Layer Cake or they kind of give Red Truck, you know, to kind of give them this a little bit of a. Of a sort of, you know, like not a comical name, but. But it's not just the name of the grape anymore or something highfalutin, so. Okay, well, if you would like to. And these are all being forwarded. They really are actually being forwarded to the people at Chateau San Michel. So if you want to get in on this, if you think you've got a good idea and you want to send it to us, we will send it to them and we will announce. If they actually pick one of these, you will get some kind of a plaque or a trophy or probably a bottle of the stuff.

[Jen Andrews]

If you're not from them.

[Luke Burbank]

Not from them. They're not allowed to do that, but we are. If you're over 21, we're allowed to.

[Jen Andrews]

Give you a bottle of wine. So it's the Indian Wells. It's gonna be the new red blend under their Indian Wells label. And we're huge fans of the Indian Wells here, so I can't wait for them to do a red blend. I think that'll be great.

[Luke Burbank]

So that's what's going on with that. And we remind you once again that Chateau St Michel is the official wine sponsor of TBTL. Shout out to Sam Michelle, Woodinville, Washington. I think it's the mating call of the sow bellied Nargawi. Okay, time for TBTL is call makers. This is where we call up one of you, the tens of listeners, and talk about whatever it is that you want to talk about. Let's see. We're gonna call up listener Brad. Do you know what Brad wants to talk about today?

[Jen Andrews]

Nope.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow, really? That's brave of you.

[Jen Andrews]

I know.

[Luke Burbank]

You just put them on.

[Jen Andrews]

He might be ranty because it was kind of like he had a lot of stuff to.

[D]

This is Brad.

[Luke Burbank]

Hi, Brad. It's the podcast. Too Beautiful to Live.

[D]

I meant to say Jorge.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. Hi, welcome to the show.

[D]

Well, thanks for having me on.

[Luke Burbank]

What is it that you wanted to discuss with us today?

[D]

People to look up and greet people like they used to.

[Luke Burbank]

People don't look up and greet people like they used to. Just walking around.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, well, I walk the dogs every day, twice a day. And plus, just getting in and out of cars and going in and out of stores. People seem to just avert their gaze and never really acknowledge anyone else around, you know, and it's, you know, rather frustrating to, you know, say good morning and be ignored.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you from the east coast or West Coast? Originally?

[D]

Originally East Coast.

[Luke Burbank]

Because I do think, like, my mom's from Philly, and my mom is, like, the world's most outgoing person. Like, she introduces herself to everyone, makes conversation with everyone. She's very. And I wonder if that there's. There's sort of a West Coast. There's a West coast politeness that's kind of like, I stay out of your way, you stay out of my way. It's. It's. It's supposed to be polite, but it comes off as a little cold. Do you think that part of it is regional?

[D]

Well, it's definitely gonna be regional. I mean, you know, the in your face east coast is definitely a shocker out here.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't exactly go introduce myself to everybody, but, you know, I'm not. I'm not afraid to talk to anybody. You know, every time I see someone with a Penn State T shirt or jacket.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you a Nittany Lion?

[D]

I am.

[Luke Burbank]

I met Joe Pa once, by the way.

[D]

I dated his daughter.

[Luke Burbank]

Really?

[Jen Andrews]

Wow.

[D]

Well, it was. It was a brief encounter, but we went to high school together.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, really?

[D]

Yeah. And nothing happened. She's a nice girl.

[Jen Andrews]

We were not assuming the relief, but.

[D]

The last two people I've seen with Penn State jackets on were homeless people. And I went up and I talked to him because, you know, you never know.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, I'm imagining that they just had the jacket on kind of by chance, right?

[D]

Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

You know, it's funny. Second Lindy west reference of the show, but she once was on our show talking about the different kinds of people there are, and one of her kinds of people were the kinds of people who say hi when they pass someone on the street. And I'm. That I do that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

And she was surprised by that because she said, oh, you usually don't find those kinds of people around here. Those kinds of people are from elsewhere. But I was born and raised in Seattle, but I always say hi just because it makes me feel so awkward not to. Like, to me, it's more awkward to not say hi to a person I'm passing.

[Luke Burbank]

See, I feel awkward saying hi to someone, but I still do it because I just want to live in a world where people are not afraid of each other. You know, we talk a lot about scared cow syndrome on this show. And the, you know that thing that happens when you're on. It's that thing of when you're on the bus and something weird is going on and no one wants to go intervene or say anything, and everyone kind of averts their gaze. And a version of that also to me is just like when you get in the elevator and you don't say anything to anyone else, or when you pass someone on the street and you don't even look them in the eye. So do you feel, Brad, like you're are you making a difference one person at a time? Are you looking people in the eye as you're walking around?

[D]

I think I make people nervous when.

[Luke Burbank]

I stare at them.

[D]

They walk by.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, because if they do that sort of that half assed glance at you just to see if you were looking and I am.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. You probably kiss with your eyes open too, which is unsettling.

[Jen Andrews]

Don't you feel it gets easier in the morning? I feel like it's so easy to say good morning.

[Luke Burbank]

Right.

[Jen Andrews]

But it's really awkward to say good afternoon or evening.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Hey, that sounds like you're trying to hit on them or something.

[D]

Well, after good morning, you have to say hi, how are you? And then people sometimes answer you with how they actually are doing rather than hi, you know, that's all you're doing is acknowledging my presence.

[Luke Burbank]

I do this kind of rude thing at work in the morning where a lot of people will say, how you doing? And I'll say fine. And I won't ask them how they're doing. And I feel, I wonder if they think I'm, think I'm better than them. I mean, I am, but I wonder if it's evidence of that because I'm not even asking how they're doing, but I feel like they don't really care how I'm doing. I don't really care how they're doing. I mean, not really. So it's okay.

[Jen Andrews]

What's, Brad, what is the, what is your hope for that? For each encounter? Just to, just a quick polite moment? Or are you actually hoping to make a friend?

[D]

Well, I mean, I'm never against making a friend, but you know, for people to be so closed off in their world and it's worse now than it was 10 years ago because everyone has earbuds in and, or texting and they're off in their own little world anyways. But we're so often in our own little world that if you don't acknowledge the people that are around you sometimes you don't, you don't see the things that are around you. And it might be, you know, you know, someone getting hurt or something, something amazing happening that, you know, you just don't ever, you know, get that chance a second time.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, well, I think, Brad, you know, we can, we can just sort of on this show and to the tens of listeners we can say, let's all try to, you know, let's all look each other in the eye. Yeah, let's all. And give each other just a Just a friendly nod. A friendly how are you?

[D]

I don't need to be wearing a 10t shirt for you to say hi to me.

[Jen Andrews]

Oh, I wouldn't hurt.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. No, I mean, you can buy [e-mail]. yeah, indeed. Well, Brad, thanks. Thanks for answering the phone. And. And Go Nittany Lions. I cried when they lost in the Orange bowl to Oklahoma in the 80s, to Jamal Holloway and the Wishbone offense. That was. I was actually in Philly when that happened. I was devastated.

[D]

Well, I feel your pain.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, man, take it easy. Okay.

[D]

Thanks for calling me.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, bye. Speaking of phone things, I just remembered something that I was considering playing a while ago. You remember my friend Win who left a message about how he was going to battle rap? Anybody remember he would battle rap? Any person who is at least half Jewish. Were you on the show when I played this?

[Jen Andrews]

I don't think I remember that.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my gosh. I gotta try to find this now. Let's see. Oh, man, this is good. I'll just do this live. This is. I'll write it and we'll do it live.

[Jen Andrews]

I do want to remind people that if you want to be in Call Makers, all you have to do is email with us. Email to us Call Makers in the title and be sure and give us your phone number. You don't even have to tell us what you want to talk about. But if you have a, you know, something you want to ask or a question about the show or a complaint.

[Luke Burbank]

As long as you're nice about it, this is okay. This is the message I got from my buddy Win a while ago. I've played this on the show before.

[E]

Yeah, I sent you before. I'll set you.

[Luke Burbank]

I think there might be some swears in it, so just be ready.

[Jen Andrews]

Next message.

[E]

Shit. My inclination of drunk value is so intense. I mean, you're honestly, I don't give a man. Yo, I'll tell you one thing right now, I said to you before, I'll say it to you again, that any MC in Seattle wants to rhyme me freestyle, I'll do it on tv, tbtl. I'll rhyme anybody. I'll run you as anyone. The only. Some caveats. No written shit. I don't want to hear anyone trying to bust. It's gonna be obvious you can be a judge. If someone's trying to pull off like they're written shit, disqualify that immediately. The other thing is that I do demand that my competitor be at least half Jewish. So to summarize I will battle any half Jewish or more or fool Jewish, if that's how that rolls. I'm down MC in the Seattle area as well as a. Don't stick to the written. There's any written shit. They wanted to battle me. Freestyle battle me. It's on, dude. That shit is on. Boom. Boom.

[Luke Burbank]

So that's my buddy Win. He lives in New York. He's a video editor and reporter for pbs.

[Jen Andrews]

That did not come across.

[Luke Burbank]

We used to work on the Bryant park project together, and they're about. Once every two months, when he gets really, really drunk, he leaves me an awesome message. Like, he just left me this one the other day. Take a listen. This is. I have not, by the way, edited this, so I don't even. There may be swears in here. I apologize.

[E]

Super bank, man of decisions, land of reality, man of life and everything. That's great. To super Bank, A hero of the common man for every season. A man for every reason. Luke uber bank. That's the kind of man you dealing with.

[Luke Burbank]

Everyone needs. Everybody needs a Wynn Rosenfeld in their life. The pride of Grinnell College of Grinnell, Iowa, where Kumail Nanjiani went. And some of some tens from Grinnell.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah, Mark.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, he knows Win.

[Jen Andrews]

Oh, really?

[Luke Burbank]

I think that's actually how he found out about our show is because he was following Win at the Bryant Park Project. Anyway, I just thought I would play that message for you guys. Apropos of nothing. I love the. I love the. The breadth of the kind of messages that Wynn will leave for me. Yeah. Calling out Seattle MCs for battle rapping. As long as they're Jewish and also at least half Jewish. And then also singing that amazing song. That's what you're dealing with.

[Jen Andrews]

And I. And I am willing to bet he did not write any of that down.

[Luke Burbank]

No, that was all free. That was not written. That was not.

[Jen Andrews]

That song came from his heart in that moment.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. Okay, let's see what's next on the list. Oh, this is exciting. We. We've got an. We've got an email frenzy here. I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. Not from a female. All right, We. We have a bunch of emails that we're gonna try to power through here. Maybe not a bunch, but a few.

[Jen Andrews]

I always feel like if we can get through five.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

Although Jason says we never sound very frenzied. Let's about as frenzied as we get.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. On this show, server space is cheap. So we could go as long as we want. So, okay, what's the first email?

[Jen Andrews]

We talked about how this idea that Kate and Pippa Middleton were going to single handedly bring back pantyhose. Yeah, this is from Denise. I work in an office. I wear skirts most of the time. When I first made the move from physical labor to office worker, I bought a bunch of cute skirts and went for the sheer nylons. Let me tell you, they're expensive and disposable, a sucky combination. They run after three wears and can cost $10 a pop. My budget was killing me. After just a few months of that insanity, I turned to tights, leggings, or my favorite tight weave fishnets. Fishnets last a long time and the tight weave kind of look like dark hose from a distance. So I don't look like a stripper at work. They are very comfortable and make me feel sexy as hell. Here's where it gets interesting. The only problem with the fishnets is that my preschool age son licks my legs when I wear them. As soon as I walk in the door, he drops to his knees and starts licking my calves.

[Luke Burbank]

Whoa.

[Jen Andrews]

I don't think he watches porn, but he does go to a pretty liberal preschool.

[Luke Burbank]

That is.

[Jen Andrews]

I just love that scenario.

[Luke Burbank]

That could be enough to cause me to, if I was the mom, to not wear those because her preschool age son is licking her legs when she wears them. What was that listener's name?

[Jen Andrews]

Denise.

[Luke Burbank]

Listener Denise.

[Jen Andrews]

Wow. Thank you for sharing those.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that was a very. Yeah, that's unsettling. All right, how about this email? What's next?

[Jen Andrews]

Okay, so Ray wrote, he's in Beijing. He's there working. And he said that he wanted to tell me that he has discovered a new use for Rebecca Black's song Friday. He finds it to be a good day planner and procrastination stopper. I know you've said on the show multiple times how you hate the narrative style of songwriting by Katy Perry and how Friday is guilty of the same thing. But it can be the perfect style of choice when you want to stop loitering and put your to do list into action. For example, when I was procrastinating my time away this morning, I'm sorry, I got lost reading the news about horrible things. Instead of doing my boring work, a good and helpful tune to stop this would take the music of Friday. So kicking in the front seat, kicking in the back seat, I start doing my to do items. Buy my lunch, eat my lunch, go back to work.

[Luke Burbank]

I see.

[Jen Andrews]

I think the magic in stopping procrastinating is to eliminate the intimidation by just making it into a list that's a song. Because that's basically what she does. You know, she gets her cereal, she puts it in a bowl.

[Luke Burbank]

Right.

[Jen Andrews]

She goes out to the bus stop.

[Luke Burbank]

Who knew she was basically atul Gawande? The power of lists.

[Jen Andrews]

Yes, exactly. So if. I guess I hadn't really thought about that, but if I just started doing that in the morning, like, you know, making my bed, getting cereal, or getting the dishes in the dishwasher, because, you know, it is true. Like, when you. In the morning, you have this. What seems like an unbearable list.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

Of things to do, and it feels overwhelming. Maybe if I just sang it a la Katy Perry.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, a la Disney characters. It's a big thing. They're always singing about the work they're gonna do, and it always seems less bad. Right.

[Jen Andrews]

That's very good.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a good idea.

[Jen Andrews]

Yep.

[Luke Burbank]

Can I read one real quick from my listener Brian? Yesterday? I feel bad now because yesterday I said. Or the day before I said, shut it down, America, on these beard contests, which is unnecessarily mean of me, because who cares, right? People are having fun. People compete in all kinds of things that are seemingly meaningless to me, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have fun doing it. So for the record, have fun with your beards. Also, a friend of mine, Kyle, he's the photographer, took that picture of me where some people said I look like Colin Firth. Soon I'm gonna look like I ate Colin Firth working on that.

[Jen Andrews]

But he is your good photographer. I mean, he should be your photographer.

[Luke Burbank]

He's my personal photographer. Well, he took a picture of the beard champion from Olympia for, like, Seattle magazine. He sent it to me. It's an amazing photograph. But then we. So And I started getting worried thinking about this yesterday because I thought we have a lot of listeners with beards, and we probably have some listeners who actually compete in these things. And I'm just taking kind of taking a crap on it for maybe for no reason. But then I was heartened by this email from listener Brian of Chicago. He says he's a Ukrainian village. That's a Ukrainian village, which is one of my favorite neighborhoods in Chicago, where I will be tomorrow, by the by, not Ukrainian village specifically, but Chicago. He says, hey, Luke, I'm a beardo, but I can't think of anything more boring to talk about than beards. When people bring up beard contests, I roll my eyes so hard, I can See the inside of my beard hairs. Shut it down, America. I love you, Brian, and I appreciate your. I appreciate you not taking my comments about beard composition as some kind of a criticism of you, because it's certainly not meant that way.

[Jen Andrews]

Good.

[Luke Burbank]

I just want to throw that in.

[Jen Andrews]

Good.

[Luke Burbank]

And I also want to apologize to anybody who. Whose feelings were hurt by me saying shut it down on beard contests.

[Jen Andrews]

My next one is from Sydney. She writes to say that she also had a ball sack revelation.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm surprised you would revisit this topic. I felt like this was a real low for our program.

[Jen Andrews]

Well, I had shared the story that well. So, first of all, when my mom had this talk with me, she told me about balls, but I was under the impression they were in separate sacks. Right. They dangled separately.

[Luke Burbank]

Right.

[Jen Andrews]

And so when Cosmo, a few years later, explained differently, that was quite a revelation. Well, I'm not alone. This is from Sydney. My brother, who was five years my junior, used to run around naked as a young one because I was 10 and had yet to receive the knowledge of Cosmo, was convinced he was malformed and gave him the nickname One ball Boy. I would tease him mercilessly until we aged, and my lack of anatomical knowledge made me the butt of the joke. Although my brother claims he never believed me, I am pretty sure for a while I had him convinced that he was defective.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, because we talk about them in the plural, we say balls. So then when you. I could see how you would imagine that they were two. The distinct sex.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And it would. You know, it would follow that.

[Jen Andrews]

Well, my sex talk came from a book called. My mom brought a book to the talk so that she wouldn't miss any details. And it was called Things yous Mother Never Told you'd. And she was like, I don't want to be one of those moms who you feel like didn't tell you everything. So I'm gonna walk you through it. But I hope they've done a reissue of that book to make that clear.

[Luke Burbank]

I was. I found out about it from a kid named Aaron, the kid who I stole the USA 84 shirt from.

[Jen Andrews]

It was a trade off.

[Luke Burbank]

It was. Yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

He did all the giving. He told you about sex and he gave you the sweatshirt.

[Luke Burbank]

Yep. But I was. And I was absolutely unconvinced. He was like, no, here's what happens. And he was explaining it to me, and I was like, nope. God puts it in there. I remember just being. So that was like, probably the first and certainly not the last time where I Was completely wrong, but completely convinced of my correctness.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And I just be like, nope, nope, nope. And he was telling me about the sperm, and I was like, there is no way that is what happens. Years later, when Addie was about three, I learned. Okay, and then we have an email from. I saw this listener Jim. Our friend listener Jim put this a picture up on my Facebook page of some other scavenger item.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

Is listener Chuck going?

[Jen Andrews]

Chuck was the one who hid the Hunger Games at the totem pole in West Seattle.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

And the bunch of listeners went out to try to find it. People were having a lot of fun. Even people from out of the state were commenting, like, this is such a fun idea. Way to go, Chuck. So Chuck thought, you know what? I'm gonna do it again. So he got another copy of the Hunger Games, which you can buy at our website, and he hid it and made this whole scavenger hunt. And he put clues on our blog in the comments.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow.

[Jen Andrews]

And then Jim followed the clues and found the book, like, in a whiskey barrel out front of, like, a Fred Meyer. It's just crazy. It's so fun, though.

[Luke Burbank]

We should. I mean, I guess Chuck's doing it for us, so don't stop. I was gonna say we should. This should really be a more regular part of the show. How fun.

[Jen Andrews]

I know.

[Luke Burbank]

Weren't people. Weren't there at least a couple people that were just hanging out watching the other people look for the book? Yeah, that's kind of.

[Jen Andrews]

Kind of mean.

[Luke Burbank]

No, that's kind of fun. I think I heard, like, somebody showed up in his scrubs. I know. Jim is a surgeon, and he's spending his time chasing tbtl.

[Jen Andrews]

Scavenger loves the chase.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. It's the thrill of the chase. Awesome. Well, good job, Chuck. Good thinking, man.

[Jen Andrews]

And then lastly, Alex wrote in. We love Alex used to be a Manhattan. Now he's a Los Angeles 10.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Jen Andrews]

He wrote in to ask if it's okay to say when somebody asks you, when a book comes up in conversation, is it okay to say, I read it when you, in fact, listened to it? And I would say, absolutely. In my opinion, it's the same thing. I know other listeners disagree, but it's too complicated to say, no, I didn't read it. I listened to it on my audible through my.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, it's like I experienced.

[Jen Andrews]

You actually know every word in the book. You can say you read it. I think.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. He. I follow Alex on Twitter, and he sent something so funny. He sent something so funny. Today out he. Oh, gosh, this is why I need to not try to read this stuff on air, because I never have the. I'll find it tomorrow and I'll read it to you. He also tweets. Like, he sends so many tweets that I can't really.

[Jen Andrews]

Well, he's a writer, so, you know, that's what he has time and inclination to do. So don't feel bad.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. All right, I'll stop now.

[Jen Andrews]

He actually also wrote me an email that was just titled How I Learned I Need to Stand More. And it was this whole story about how he threw out his back playing video games, which is always, I think, a message that you're not standing enough.

[Luke Burbank]

He did say, I guess it's time to accept the fact that from now on, if I pass a mirror and see a piece of string on my head, it'll just end up being a gray hair that wasn't even the one I was looking for. Whatever. Alright? Every single day I go on Twitter on the show and try to find something that I read that was funny. And every day it's a disaster. We need to. Maybe I can get one of those like invisible fence collars like the dogs have that Dory Monson advertises. Jen. And you can just tase me. Shock me whenever I. Whenever I think that's gonna be good radio.

[Jen Andrews]

Don't you think it's amazing though, how relaxed I've become about it?

[Luke Burbank]

You have.

[Jen Andrews]

Remember the old days and I would freak out.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, you have. You are. You are the picture of. You really are, Jen. You're the picture of being calm about these things, which is. Which is impressive. Good for you. You're growing.

[Jen Andrews]

Well, I learned that it's something I can't change.

[Luke Burbank]

Mm.

[Jen Andrews]

That. You know the alcoholics prayer about.

[Luke Burbank]

Grant me the serenity.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah. The thing about. Grant me to know the wisdom. Grant me to know which things I can't change.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And you've just. You've realized this is one of those things. You're wise beyond your years. Let's listen to this day in TBT history. Yes, indeed, this day in TBTL history. This, of course, when we revisit what we did on the show one year ago on this date.

[Jen Andrews]

Oh, yeah. This is during the lead up to our prom.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, so this would be this day, this date in TBT history. But it's not always one year because this would have been a couple years.

[Jen Andrews]

This is 2008.

[Luke Burbank]

Got it. So I should start saying it's something we did on this date in TBT history, It doesn't have to necessarily be from exactly where we.

[Jen Andrews]

I think you could just say on this date in TBTL history.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Or Sean could say it this day in TBTL history. What had actually happened was the one we drew out of the hat was really just a kind of slight change in an existing one. So what we should really do is make this ticket a co production of the two people that were involved. The one guy, what's it, Matt in Cincinnati who sent in the original ticket, and then Bruce and Lake Stevens who modified it. And then you were like, this way it's two people win.

[Jen Andrews]

Right. And I didn't even think that was a stretch because really one person came up with the theme and one person came up with the design.

[Luke Burbank]

But today you figured out a way, with the help of one of our other listeners, that actually four people could win.

[Jen Andrews]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Whereas sometimes you'll send me an email that will say, what do you think of this? You forwarded it to me with this line. I think we've got our winner. I could hear you popping champagne in the background because you had found a way that no one had to not have their design on the ticket. So please to explain, where are we at now with these GD prom tickets?

[Jen Andrews]

We have our design and at this point we are just going to send them off to the printer.

[Luke Burbank]

That's all you're going to tell me because you want it to be a surprise.

[Jen Andrews]

Yes. Well. And I realized today that I have some idea in my mind that people are going to be like, trying to make their own or trading them back behind or sneaking in and out of our prom. I kind of finally had to realize that probably not that many people are going to try to sneak into our prom or share tickets or things like that. Our listeners are pretty upstanding people. But I've had all this worry that if I put the actual design, the final and complete design up on our website, what's to keep somebody from not just printing that off?

[Luke Burbank]

Omg. And coming down, I didn't even think of that. So we can't actually put the final design up. It's just going to be. But it'll be a fun surprise. Everyone get it in the mail.

[Jen Andrews]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

This day in TBTL history, what did the ticket ended up having?

[Jen Andrews]

Like, I was going to ask if you remember.

[Luke Burbank]

I remember there was a Lolcat on there and Kanye glasses.

[Jen Andrews]

The Lolcat was wearing stronger glasses.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Jen Andrews]

And there was one other element. It's a video game.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Yeah. It Was a Mario castle because it was. Castles in the sky was one of the themes we had or something.

[Jen Andrews]

We had three themes. We couldn't decide. And so it was stronger. Lolcats and castles in the sky. That was a fun prom.

[Luke Burbank]

That was a fun prom.

[Jen Andrews]

But you know, I mailed those tickets. I mailed them to every single person. So everyone just got their little tickets in the mail and showed up. It was so fun.

[Luke Burbank]

For a show that didn't have that many listeners, we sure have had some really fun events. You know what I mean?

[Jen Andrews]

Like.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, remember how nervous you were about that prom, though? Oh, my God. We didn't know if we were gonna sell the tickets. We didn't know if anyone was gonna come, if it was gonna be too hot, if like the photo booth was gonna wait. It all totally worked. The balloons.

[Jen Andrews]

The balloons. I mean, when we thought we were gonna have to hand pump them because the.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. The compressor. Because we didn't have the compressor set right. We're like start doing it. Silent Nick and his little brother, like blowing up the balloons and stuff.

[Jen Andrews]

And Apple store Aaron showed up to help. I mean, it was just crazy. Everybody was trying to blow up balloons.

[Luke Burbank]

The listeners made the decorations.

[Jen Andrews]

Yep. We had a prom decorating committee.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, speaking of which. So we finally have all the posters. They're signed. And we have now gotten all of the tubes, the shipping tubes. And we're going to put them all in tubes and mail them. But there are lots of them. There are hundreds. And what we're going to do. And we'll put a thing up on the website as have a little party at Cairo. A little pizza party. Pizza party. And although maybe that's the wrong food to eat while you're rolling people's posters. But anyway, we'll have some wet naps. We're gonna roll these posters and put them in tubes and stick the addresses on them and mail them out. And we could use some help. So I will put a thing up on the website. But I don't know, maybe if we can get 10 people, 10, 15 people to come, we'll make short work of it. So that's gonna be coming up in the next week or two.

[Jen Andrews]

And I'll give them some points towards perfect 10 status. Remember that when people were trying to earn Perfect 10 status?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Jen Andrews]

And I would hand out points for participation.

[Luke Burbank]

That's great. God, what a racket we're running here. People buy the posters and then we make them mail them out to the.

[Jen Andrews]

Other people for 20 perfect 10 points.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right. You're so smart. All right, that's gonna do it here on this Wednesday. I am, as I mentioned, going to Chicago tomorrow. I'm going to be on. Wait, wait, don't tell me. This week. So we've got some great stuff coming up, though, in the next two days.

[Jen Andrews]

I'm doing super fun shows.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, they're. They're gonna be awesome. You're gonna be very happy that you got to listen to them. And we'll be back here. Well, we're back here tomorrow in a fashion, but then back here live on Monday as per usual. If we don't talk until then, have a great weekend and we'll. We'll see you soon and all of that. Please remember, no mountain too tall and.

[Jen Andrews]

Good luck to all.

[Luke Burbank]

Indeed.

[Susie Burbank]

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