Episode 912: We're Back!

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL Episode 912 – "We're Back!"

Release Date: September 20, 2011
Hosts: Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh

Introduction and Return from Hiatus

The podcast kicks off with a warm welcome as the hosts, Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh, announce their return after a significant break. They express immense excitement about being back and reconnecting with their audience.

Luke Burbank [01:10]: "I could not be, I mean, seriously could not be happier to be here."

Guest Appearance: Chancellor

Early in the episode, the hosts introduce their guest, Chancellor, Japan's number one mixer. The interaction is light-hearted, filled with playful banter and technical adjustments to integrate Chancellor into the show seamlessly.

Andrew Walsh [00:27]: "And that Luke smile of his. He had it on his face right to the very end."

Sean DeTore’s Cruise Chronicles

A significant portion of the episode features Sean DeTore sharing his extensive experiences from a recent cruise. He delves into cultural observations, contrasting American and European behaviors, especially highlighting the differences in social etiquette and organization.

• Cultural Observations:
  Sean remarks on the inefficiency he perceived in European cities like Venice and Dubrovnik, emphasizing the lack of orderly queues and the spontaneous nature of interactions.

  Sean DeTore [11:06]: "Now, in America you have the sense that if things are going really wrong, you can go up to somebody who's in a position of power."

• Interactions on the Cruise:
  One memorable story involves Sean and friends requesting American music on the ship’s nightclub, leading to humorous exchanges with DJ Allegra. Despite initial frustration, the situation evolves into camaraderie as the DJ eventually caters to their requests.

  Sean DeTore [23:22]: "But then he plays like, no Diggity. But he starts goes, this is going out to all of our American friends or something like that."

• Personal Anecdotes:
  Sean shares personal challenges, such as managing his weight during the cruise and dealing with the laid-back European attitudes towards time and organization.

  Sean DeTore [01:10]: “I thought we just have to find out how to cope with living on your own?”

MacArthur Genius Awards Discussion

The hosts transition to discussing the prestigious MacArthur Genius Awards, humorously lamenting that Jen Flash Andrews hasn't been recognized yet despite her efforts.

Andrew Walsh [32:25]: "Every year I wake up, I'm ready. I'm ready for that call. And it did not come again this year."

They celebrate their friend, Jad Abumrad from Radiolab, who successfully received the award, sparking a mix of pride and playful frustration about their own standing.

Sean DeTore [33:58]: "And I have to tell you something, I emailed with Mr. Jad Abumrad today and he was very pretty excited."

"What'd I Miss" Segment

In this segment, Sean recounts his disconnection from the internet during the cruise, highlighting how he stayed updated through limited means and shared amusing observations about the repetitive nature of in-flight entertainment.

Sean DeTore [37:36]: "I kept up with the Kardashians, but it was like it wasn't even live. It was just a bunch of."

Annual Physicals and Health Talk

Jen Flash Andrews shares her perplexing experience with an annual physical where the doctor was unsure why she was visiting, leading to an awkward interaction and a reflection on the necessity and effectiveness of routine health check-ups.

Jen Flash Andrews [39:32]: "I think that actually all of you guys are totally right. Just go to the doctor if something's wrong."

The discussion broadens to include Sean’s own minimal engagement with medical check-ups and the broader implications of preventive healthcare.

TV and Movie Reviews

The latter half of the episode shifts focus to entertainment, with the hosts reviewing new TV shows and movies they’ve recently watched during their travels and downtime.

• New TV Shows:

  • "New Girl" with Zooey Deschanel receives positive feedback from Jen for its charm and humor.
  • "Prime Suspect" remake starring Maria Bello is highlighted as a promising adaptation of the acclaimed BBC series.

  Jen Flash Andrews [52:59]: "And I loved it."

  • "Two and a Half Men" revival featuring Ashton Kutcher garners negative reviews from Jen, criticizing its crass humor and departure from Charlie Sheen’s character dynamics.

  Jen Flash Andrews [60:02]: "It's honestly the most horrible thing I've ever encountered in my life."

• Movie Reviews:

  • "Cedar Rapids" and "Tree of Life" are discussed, with Sean appreciating the emotional depth and aesthetic of Terrence Malick’s film.

    Sean DeTore [69:47]: "It's probably like it could be an hour shorter. A lot of it is bullshit, but I found it to be really moving at times."

  • "Hall Pass" receives mixed reactions, with Jen dismissing it as poorly executed while Sean finds certain elements amusing despite its predictable premise.

  Jen Flash Andrews [76:08]: "I was like, that was, like, one of the worst movies I've ever seen."

Closing Remarks and Sponsor Shout-Out

As the episode winds down, the hosts promote their sponsor, Chateau St. Michel wine, recounting Sean’s enjoyable experiences with the brand during the cruise.

Sean DeTore [82:14]: "I had more Chateau St Michel on this cruise in a week than I've had in any time before this."

They also tease upcoming content and encourage listeners to tune in for the next episode, promising a return to their signature rambling style despite Sean’s jet lag-induced tangents.

Sean DeTore [84:01]: "Tomorrow, back to the shorter, rambling styles of TBT that you've come to expect."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Luke Burbank [01:10]: "I could not be, I mean, seriously could not be happier to be here."
• Andrew Walsh [00:27]: "And that Luke smile of his. He had it on his face right to the very end."
• Sean DeTore [23:22]: "But then he plays like, no Diggity. But he starts goes, this is going out to all of our American friends or something like that."
• Jen Flash Andrews [32:25]: "Every year I wake up, I'm ready. I'm ready for that call. And it did not come again this year."
• Sean DeTore [37:36]: "I kept up with the Kardashians, but it was like it wasn't even live. It was just a bunch of."

Conclusion

Episode 912 of TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live offers a blend of personal anecdotes, cultural critiques, and candid discussions on entertainment, all delivered with the hosts' trademark humor and chemistry. Sean DeTore's cruise tales provide a vivid look into cross-cultural experiences, while the conversations around awards and health add depth to the casual banter. The episode culminates with insightful media reviews and a heartfelt nod to their sponsor, ensuring listeners are both entertained and informed.

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

Greetings, friends.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I'm Captain New Eyes. I'm trying to make a few wishes come true. I invented this. It's a wish radio.

[Sean DeTore]

I wish I had a friend. He sent them some help. They want to meet you. What do you say? From the prehistoric past.

[Luke Burbank]

We're back.

[Sean DeTore]

A dinosaur story featuring the voices of.

[Luke Burbank]

Make me a filet, melong or mignon.

[Chancellor]

Until they start to leak.

[Sean DeTore]

And that Luke smile of his. He had it on his face right to the very end.

[Chancellor]

Tbtm.

[Sean DeTore]

If you can't guess it, frankly, maybe you shouldn't even be listening to this show because it seems like a fairly obvious thing. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a long awaited Tuesday afternoon edition of tbt. The show that's probably too beautiful to live must have been the pure power.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Of prayer that brought you back.

[Sean DeTore]

What other explanation is there? There you go. There you go. This is episode 912 in a collector series. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm the host. I could not be, I mean, seriously could not be happier to be here. I feel happy of myself and I don't even know what I weigh because when I got on the scale after my two plus weeks of being on a cruise and being just bumming around in Europe and e like it was going out of style, I stood on the scale and it just for some reason it showed me three cherries and money started coming out. So I just love hot Cheetos. So I think that may have been part of the problem. It wasn't just the hot Cheetos. It was the everything, which we will tell you about here in just a few minutes. We've got a lot to talk about on this Tuesday, believe you me.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I have Luke's mom, Susie coming tonight on tbtl.

[Sean DeTore]

We have a segment called what'd I miss? In which Jen will tell me what I missed during my time away. Also, I finally got a chance to see some movies. Some.

[Luke Burbank]

Who needs a movie?

[Sean DeTore]

Of course, they were on the airplanes. So I would like to, if I can, today review some movies that are so old they're already being shown on airplanes. So that will be useful to you, I'm sure, all of that and a whole lot more. Not before though. We get on the program here the, well, the through line not only to this podcast while we were gone, but even to the radio show that I normally work on. Jen, Flash. I love Jesus, but I drink a little. Hello.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Hi.

[Sean DeTore]

Welcome.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Thank you. Welcome to you.

[Sean DeTore]

Thank you.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I think I know your weight. I realized today that after four years of looking Looking at your body and you telling me what you weigh I know I now just know it is a wonderland. Yeah.

[Sean DeTore]

What's my weight?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I think your weight is 179.

[Sean DeTore]

Oh, God. Are you kidding me? I think it's 199 if it's a pound.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No, it's not.

[Sean DeTore]

No, no, no. It's okay. It's all right. Over there is a. Is a rare treat on the program. It's Shonda Torre, Japan's number one mixer.

[Luke Burbank]

His name is Chancellor.

[Sean DeTore]

Okay. There's a good chance he's half domesticated. Hi, Shawnee.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey. How's it going?

[Sean DeTore]

Good, good. Wait a second. You know, we might have to turn up your thing over there.

[Luke Burbank]

Check, check, check. Should we just check it live? Check it on the mic on tbtl. Coming at you one time in your face.

[Sean DeTore]

Oh, that's good. Never do that again.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, I think I can guess Luke's weight.

[Sean DeTore]

Uh.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, can't wait to eat.

[Sean DeTore]

Hey, ho. I'm on a seafood diet. Sorry, I'm having all kinds of weird. My headphones are being weird here on the show. But what else is new?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I offer it every time you think.

[Sean DeTore]

You'Re expecting there's gonna be humor.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yep. Because he has a sparkle in his eye. Like, you're gonna love it.

[Sean DeTore]

You know, it's a disease. I think we've established that. I know I shouldn't mock on the program. Yes. It's really, really good to be back. And thanks to everybody who was patient during the long break. And no thanks to those who weren't. Yeah, the rest of you guys can take a long walk off a short pier. But to everybody who's also emailed us and messaged us on the various web places saying that they're excited that we're back, I have to say, there was a small part of me in the back of my mind, the kind of paranoid part of me that thought, what if we come back and no one's listening? Or, what if. You know, what if nobody notices? And that hasn't been the case. That's been a real. That's been a real boost to the old ego, which I need after. I'm serious. After definitely gaining a minimum of probably 10 pounds on this thing, because on the cruise, it's. It's all you can eat. And I was actually talking to the casino pit boss and everybody. We were all complaining. Like, we were like, we just can't get drunk. And he was like, how many pizzas have you had this week? Because you could order Pizza to your room. And I was, like, thinking, well, I was like, how many days have we been on the cruise? He's like, six. I go be about six. So, like, you eat all day and then you're drinking, but you're eating all of this food. And then you top it off every night with, like, you know, some hotels put a mint on your pillow. On the cruise ship, they put a pizza on your pillow. So, anyway, I'm glad to hear that the listeners are excited that we're back. I'm very excited to see both of you guys. How's everything been going?

[Luke Burbank]

Pretty good.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah. I think everything in Seattle rolled along.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah. You, Jen, were doing all kinds of work on Cairo. You were filling in on the Rosen Burbank radio program. How did that go?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It went pretty well. The tens were very cute. They kept sending in emails that said things like, who is this girl? She's great. I appreciated that.

[Sean DeTore]

Seanie, how was everything in your world? How was the mixtape? How was Givin, Ron and Don? All four?

[Luke Burbank]

Things have been good. Mixtape's good. I've got a band called Braids that I'm gonna post up today. Check it out. Interview. It's gonna be awesome. I indulged in some improv that I was telling you guys about last Saturday. Rachel Bell of the Ron and Don show and of my life. Cause we're friends in real life. We did some improv on Saturday night. The troupe is called Human Prop, and they're pretty funny.

[Sean DeTore]

So how did this whole thing work? What were you doing?

[Luke Burbank]

So I was lucky enough to have Rachel ask me if I wanted to be their monologist. I don't know if that's the right word. Monologist.

[Sean DeTore]

No, I think monologist is exactly right.

[Luke Burbank]

So what happens is I get up in front of this audience. There's a small audience, probably like 15 or 20 people. And then someone in the audience yells out a word, like something that they want me to talk about for a few minutes. And it has to be a real, true life story from my life. Not yours or not yours either, but mine.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

But it's the honor system, because who would really know?

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. I had a backup story.

[Sean DeTore]

I did that once, by the way. I was in Mrs. Phillips drama class, aka Rowdy. Reaching out with drama to youth. Where'd the T go? No one's ever been able to solve the mystery. But I was supposed to learn a monologue, but I just never did. So then I did this monologue about a kid finding out his mom had cancer, that I was just Making up on the spot. I got an A on it.

[Luke Burbank]

Really?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

That's not a good story to tell.

[Sean DeTore]

No, it's not a good story, but it's true. Jen. This is what happens when people stop being nice and get real.

[Luke Burbank]

I had a backup monologue that I was gonna go to if I couldn't come up with something from my real life from the word thrown at me. Now here's the backup story. I'm not gonna get into it. I'm just gonna tell you the premise.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

You're saying this is a story you could have adapted to any story? Any word thrown at you?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

This is a truly evergreen anecdote.

[Luke Burbank]

Truly evergreen. Yeah. I was gonna talk about the time the one time in college I faked an orgasm. That was gonna be my backup story, but luckily, I didn't have to go there.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Luckily for everyone. There and here.

[Sean DeTore]

Yes.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Listening to this in 20 years across.

[Sean DeTore]

Time and space and comedy. So, wait, what was your word again?

[Luke Burbank]

So they threw at me the word humiliation.

[Sean DeTore]

Actually, that could have tied in.

[Luke Burbank]

So I came up with a story about how I peed my pants when I was younger waiting to play practice baseball. And then the comedy troupe has to act out improv for 20 minutes. Then I come back on the stage and I.

[Sean DeTore]

And it's based on what? You have your monologue, Right?

[Luke Burbank]

It's based on my monologue.

[Sean DeTore]

So they pretended to be a kid at a baseball practice.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, they kind of took it in all different directions. Like, they didn't have to stay literal. They could have kind of adapted in any way that they wanted. And so then after that, I come back out and I do another monologue sort of based on something that inspired me from that improv session. Then they do another 20 minutes, and then I close out the show. And it was great because I haven't done improv in, like, forever. And I was super duper nervous.

[Sean DeTore]

Really?

[Luke Burbank]

And it just went off.

[Sean DeTore]

More nervous than your. More nervous than your play where you played a cop?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

More nervous.

[Sean DeTore]

A cop with a secret.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

More nervous than when you did stand up for third graders?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, more nervous than that. Because this is, like, how would you rate it? I just had to make something up on the spot.

[Sean DeTore]

Based on your nervousness about, like, TBTL Live in Chicago or something, where we're going to be on stage in front of, like, a lot of people.

[Luke Burbank]

That's TBTL Live is a whole nother level. That's a whole nother level of nervous. More nervous.

[Sean DeTore]

Even though it always goes really well. Yeah, even though you're among friends.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's.

[Sean DeTore]

So that's. That. Would you rate that as one of the most nervous making things that you do in your life?

[Luke Burbank]

Probably that, yeah.

[Sean DeTore]

I thought it was just me because I'm always terrified when we do this.

[Luke Burbank]

No, it's scary. It's really scary.

[Sean DeTore]

Speaking of which, we really need to put another one of those on the schedule.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

That's how we all thrive so much in that environment.

[Sean DeTore]

Hey, we replayed a couple of the Chicago. The Chicago Live shows and people sent some very nice emails about those too. Matter of fact.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Hey, Sean, are you. I'm worried about your time situation because you are going to take a shower before you go to work, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, no, no, no. I never do that.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

You're not taking a shower?

[Luke Burbank]

No, I just go.

[Sean DeTore]

For those of you not watching the webcam, Shawnee came rolling in on his bike. And it's a warm day here in Seattle. It's supposed to be pushing 80 and you're in a gray T shirt that says Jet Stream Car Wash. An ironic choice.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yes.

[Sean DeTore]

Because you are very. You were very sweaty when you came in. That's why it's interesting because I gave you a gentle hug and you said you got a sunburn. No, I'm a little bit afraid of your sweatiness. Yeah, but you don't get any grief from RD about that stuff, do you?

[Luke Burbank]

No. No, not at all. And even in high school and I never really. I never took showers after pe. I was always nervous about that. Going into the school year, I was like, do I have to do that?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

But you weren't doing PE in your school clothes. You were doing them in other clothes.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. But still, you can't change your body.

[Sean DeTore]

But let me say this.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Now you're gonna go to work.

[Sean DeTore]

It's getting deep in here. You can't change your body, Jen. You ever think about that? No. I will say this, Shani, to your credit, you've never smelled bad.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, that's good. I've never noticed you to stink. You don't have a. I will say that on this trip, first of all, this was the. What do you call it? Itinerary. I guess I started out in Venice and then went to like Croatia. Dubrovnik is the town. It's this old town. It's built on the water and it's got this huge wall. It was a million degrees there. And then it went to Greece, this cruise did, and it was a million degrees there. Looked at the Parthenon, which I'm excited to report is completely behind Scaffolding. So that seemed traditional. That seemed like.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Just like they intended.

[Sean DeTore]

Were these the scaffolds of Before Christ Time? Everywhere, though, that this cruise went, it was thousands of degrees. And what I started to realize, and this ties into my larger epiphany about this trip that I was on, is that I have an inner Toby Keith that I had no idea was. And by my inner Toby Keith, I mean a guy who's kind of like, usa, we'll kick your ass. We're way better than everyone, which I have always kind of loathed as a kind of approach to life and approach.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

To the world, certainly to international relationship.

[Sean DeTore]

It's not a good opener.

[Luke Burbank]

That's shocking, y'all.

[Sean DeTore]

Is that your Toby Keith impression?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

That's the name of his album. Oh, is it shocking, y'all?

[Luke Burbank]

Shocking, y'all.

[Sean DeTore]

Oh, see, well, I. I've got an inner Toby Keith, but he and I don't talk a lot, so he hasn't shared with me the name of any of his records. But, like, the smell thing, because you always were sweating, and it was the kind of thing where you had to really plan. You had to plan out everything. Like, just going to the Venice airport, because it's also wicked hot in Venice, and it's a hassle. You got to go over all these stairs and stuff, and you're carrying all this stuff. So you have to, like, plot out, take a shower right before, put on a lot of deodorant, wear a shirt that you can then take off, pack a different shirt, so when you're at the airport, you can, like, switch in some. But what I noticed was there was a lot of people, and I will just say they weren't Americans. Guys who just were not making those plans and just reeked. Like, reeked to the point where, like, when the plane landed actually in Detroit, we went from Amsterdam to Detroit. There was this one guy at the baggage carousel, and me and this other lady were just, like, every time he bent down to get a bag, we both almost passed out. There's, like, cartoon flies going around the guy, like, pig pen. And I just wanted to say there's no way that you can't smell this, right? Like, there's just no way that this is. Your countrymen from whatever country you may hail from are not noticing this. I guess you've just all agreed it's cool.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe they've all adapted to the smell.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah, I don't think they think it smells bad. I think that they, you know, like, in European romance novels, I'VE noticed that they often will, when they're talking about.

[Sean DeTore]

Have cartoon flies around them.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, when they're talking about a sexy guy, they will often say he smelled like healthy male sweat.

[Sean DeTore]

Whatever this was. This was someone taking a lot of medication, probably eating mostly Arby's, because we.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Smell like, you know, flowers, and we smell like all, you know, mint and all these different things that we smell like that I think is so unnatural. But to them. But now it's become what I think.

[Sean DeTore]

We vote. I generally vote for no smell like Sean. You don't have a discernible smell, although everyone does have a smell that's kind of inherently them. One time when I was a little kid, I was at church, and this lady came up behind me, this lady named Esther Hall. And she put her hands and she was like, guess who? I was like, esther? And she was like, how did you know? And at the time, I didn't understand that that was gonna be hard to explain. I was like, oh, your smell. Because it's like, people just have a smell. It's not even a bad thing. I was like, oh, your smell. She was. She was Puerto Rican. She was like, now I'm going to do a hurtful impression of Puerto Ricans. She was, no, but she was like, you think I smell? I was like, no, no, no. I'm just saying. But okay, so that was one thing. It was a very. There was a lot of pungent activity going on also, I swear to you. And I didn't go to Germany, okay, Because that is a famously efficient country. But everywhere else, I was, particularly in Italy, it was the most inefficient place I have ever been in my life. Nobody lined up for anything. There was no. There was. There was never anyone in charge of anything, saying, here's where you get this from. Hey, here's where the line is. Hey, who's next? No one in Italy ever asked the question, who's next? So you'd be standing in some weird kind of scrum of people waiting to try to get your panini. What's a panini? It's like a sandwich. Sounds expensive. You'd just be standing around in some weird group of people trying to get Whatever the thing is you're there to get coffee, a sandwich, a whatever. And then it would invariably be a thing where someone else would just wander up and just, like, step up and order or ask for the thing, and then they would get it, and you'd be like, they weren't in line. But the person who was doling out the whatever had no sense for at what point anyone had arrived at the thing. Also, they were in no hurry. Like they're just kind of hanging around talking to their friends. They're like, it just the part about European culture that I think Americans, at least Americans like me, tend to really kind of sort of idealize is like they have wine with lunch, they take a siesta, they get a month off. How civilized. Like they're not in this rat race. They're not on this hamster wheel, man. Get on the fucking hamster wheel. I mean, as a people. Because everywhere you go, everything is nine times more of a hassle than it needs to be. For instance, Venice, city of canals. I don't know if you've heard this every single stairway, every time you go over a canal. Stairs. Why? Arch would be way easier to build. You know what the number one thing you see in Venice is? Super sweaty Americans with like a bunch of luggage. The woman is mad at the dude. He's holding a Rick Steves guide going, I thought it was down Piazza day. And then like having carried all this stuff over because you can't even take a cab. There's no cabs, There's a water taxi that's like €100, right? But you can't. There's a lot of parts of Venice you cannot get to without walking there. And that means walking over thousands and thousands of unnecessarily stair filled things. Okay, I had a third point about why the USA is more awesome. Here's the other reason. Here's the other reason in America and I didn't realize this, I mean, maybe the last couple times I went there, when I went to Spain, it was with Vanessa and she speaks perfect Spanish. And so that might have.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

That's cheating.

[Sean DeTore]

That might have really helped my experience because it was like everywhere we went she just said da, da, da, da. And we always got like the good table or the. We didn't get ripped off on stuff. It was like. It made it much easier for me.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I'll bet.

[Sean DeTore]

So maybe part of this was the language thing, right?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

But like I left my entire inheritance in Spain. Thank you. Lima, but not lima.

[Sean DeTore]

Lira. Lira, that's the money.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

The port. The port there in Spain. I can't think what it's called. It starts with an L. But anyway.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, in America you have the sense that if things are going really wrong, you can go up to somebody who's in a position of power. I'll just keep using the airport as a comparison. And you could say, like, I don't know how to read this ticket. Or I think my flight's in like 20 minutes, what do I do? And Americans will say if they can help you, they will. They'll say, okay, here's exactly what you need to do. You need to go down here and talk to this person. If they can't help you, they'll find someone who can help you. They'll go, that's actually not, I'm not with that airline, but Delta's right there and if you want, I'll go over and tell you. There's this open hearted, we're all in this together thing in America, which a lot of times comes off as hokey or like, you know, it gets too jingoistic. It does get a little too Toby Keith booting your ass sometime for me. That's a lyric.

[Luke Burbank]

Really?

[Sean DeTore]

I didn't make that up. That's a lyric.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It's the American way, right?

[Sean DeTore]

And we read that and we see it on the cotton commercials. The fabric of our lives. That's a terrible Aaron Neville and I apologize to everyone. I'm still, I'm jet lagged. But there's this sense when you're in America that we're all in it together and that if you're having a hard time and it's within my power at all to help you, I will totally not the case at any of the places I went to in Europe. It's not that people weren't sometimes nice, although usually there was a. The more nice someone was to you, the shittier the place was you were at. It meant you were at the restaurant that's next to the dock that has the menus in seven languages and everyone is nice because they're like another sucker going to the worst restaurant in Dubrovnik, right? But every time there would be a problem, there would be a thing where I'd be like, I'd walk into a restaurant if they were closed. Like in Italy they close. A lot of them just close at 3:00. Some of them close at 2, but some of them close at 3:30. So you're walking along and I'm like going into the place and it'd just be like some Italian lady would come and she'd just be like, clothes, clothes. Be like swinging her hands at me. That would be her way of. I'd be like, is there somewhere else around here? Clothes. Oh, well, thank you very much. Or at the airport. As I was trying to say, like if you're this trying to get in Venice Trying to get onto the plane. Another thing where there's no defined line. There's just 300 people standing around. And then at some point, they open up the little chute. I was at the airport three hours early. Do you guys understand that in my whole life combined, I haven't been three hours early for every flight I've taken? If you added up all of the earliness. And I almost didn't make the flight because there was this crazy scrum. And then it was like, finally. Because first they didn't announce the gate. They were like, we don't announce the gate until two hours before the flight. Even just where you check in, it's like, okay. So then really it was like an hour, an hour and a half because they were running late. And so then everyone's just, like, milling around. Then they finally decide, it's over here. Everyone runs over there. There's like a borderline brawl. Then they, like, open it, but they don't tell you that you have to go get this other thing from some other place and print it out. So then the whole mass of humanity moves to the other thing where these kiosks are to get this boarding thingy, and no one knows how to operate anything. And then we all go back to this thing, and then there's like a crazy line, reforms again. No one's directing anything. Finally, it's like I'm running to the flight. I was there three hours early, and it was conceivable I would have missed the flight. So throughout all of that, had I been in a situation where I needed to go to someone and be like, can you just let me through to the front of the line? Because I am, like, screwed here. My experience, every time I was in, in particular, Italy, that's where I spent the most time. I was in Venice for, like, eight days total. But every time I was like, hey, can I order this? They'd be like, no more, we're out. Or whatever. And I'd go, oh, okay. Well, do you have anything else? Nope. Like, it isn't the kind of culture where it's like, I don't have this, but can I give you this? Can I help you with this? It's like when something's not working out for you, Sorry, sucks to be you. It's sort of a giant sucks to be you. And I found myself so missing America and the fact that we as people don't say sucks to be you that much the non jerks in this world. So aside from that amazing trip, hell of a trip. No, I actually had a really, really, really good time. I was there for Khmerro, Kev of Sack of Dimes wedding, which was in Split, Croatia. And we went into the basically, city hall of this beautiful little town, Split, Croatia. And I was the witness kind of best man, dude. And it was. This room was really cool. Like, had these lilies in it. And there were these two Croatian women. One's doing the whole ceremony in Croatian, the other's translating. And then afterwards, because Kevin's wife, Anita, her parents are from Croatia, and they know this town Split really well. So we went over to this, like, beautiful hotel, which I had a view of the sea. And we sat there and had this reception, and this band came out and played, like, Croatian music. It was really awesome. The Venice Casino is still, like, one of the coolest places in the entire world. If you're ever in Venice, I highly recommend you go there. I had a lot of fun. I had a lot, a lot of fun. But I just have to say, after about 17 days of it, I was so pumped to get back to America. It was great because it really. I think I walk around with kind of a low opinion of America a lot of the time. I think that we're just kind of predictable and that we're sort of lowbrow a lot of the time. But I'll tell you what. I think I would take some American wearing a Britney Spears T shirt that's four sizes too small with a muffin top coming out who has the attitude of, like, hey, can I help you, like. Or let me get someone who can. I just think that's so cool about America. And I totally forgot that that was the case.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

That's awesome. I love that story.

[Sean DeTore]

That wasn't too negative.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

That story came to a wonderful. No, it came to a great conclusion.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you, like, recite, you know, the. The national anthem when you got home and.

[Sean DeTore]

No, but, but, but check this out. So we go there on the cruise, right? There's the. Like. The nightclub is called Spinnakers. And we're in Spinnakers, like, every night. We always ended up in Spinnakers.

[Luke Burbank]

Is this in Croatia?

[Sean DeTore]

No, no, this is just on the boat.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Was there a dj?

[Sean DeTore]

There was a dj. DJ Allegre. And the first night that we're there, because there's this whole group of people that went to the wedding, right? All they're playing Kamaru. Kev is all excited because he thinks it's gonna be funk and disco music. But all it was was just European, like, music they play in a European dance club. We don't know any of. It's more just like. No, a lot of Shakira. That was the stuff we knew was the Shakira. And then a ton of stuff like just that we don't know. It wasn't like techno. It was just more kind of like.

[Luke Burbank]

What'S hot dance music, Female vocals.

[Sean DeTore]

It was like, yeah, imagine it was Shakira, Beyonce and whatever of, I don't know, Spain, Finland, something. So as we get more and more drunk throughout the night, we all start going up and asking DJ Allegra if he'll please play some American music. And he's getting more and more mad at us. And Camaro Kev is like, really a little tired and emotional up there. And he's like, kind of like not yelling at him, but being really like. We're all watching him from. We're like, he likes P.S. we're the only people in the club. It's empty. Spinnaker's empty except for us. And the guy's like, DJ Allegra apparently is like, I know my audience. I know my audience. And Kamara Kevin's like, we are your audience. So he goes outside for a smoke. The DJ does. He comes back in and he plays like, no Diggity. But he starts goes, this is going out to all of our American friends or something like that. But it says it in kind of a sarcastic way. And he plays like, no Diggity. No. Something that. Because no Diggity is really good. It was some kind of like, horrible hip hop song that nobody likes. And then he plays Mariah Carey doing the national anthem. Now, we're in a real pickle here because we have basically said, play some goddamn American music. So we made a decision. We're like, we're gonna dance our asses off to whatever he plays. So it just is this string of the most ridiculous songs you've ever heard. And we're just dancing. We're dancing to Mariah Carey doing the national anthem. We're dancing to, like, country music. He puts on some. It's like he puts on Def Leppard, the most impossible music dance. We're dancing to Def Leppard. We did not care. The next night, we. We didn't go back there because we were doing other things. The night after that, we show up. DJ Allegra sees us and he's like, where have you guys been? I missed you. Last night, he became our best friend in the world. I saw him at the Parthenon. I'm hiking up the Parthenon and DJ Allegra is there really? It was, it was incredible. The other thing about doing this cruise was it was really, really fun. But it was, it was weird because it was kind of like a lot of the reason I'm just going to mention this very quickly because a lot of listeners have been kind of like thinking about going on cruises and wanted to know, like, what was your take on it or something. I would say they're really fun, the things where they really get you. The booze is super expensive. All drinking is really expensive, like even bottled water. So I think the way it normally works is you pay for all the food, but anything you want to consume that's liquid is really expensive. And you're not supposed to sneak alcohol onto the boat. You're not supposed to bring alcohol into the boat. I at the duty free shop bought a big thing of whiskey and a big thing of tequila. And I'm carrying it in the bag, do, do, do, do, do do. And this guy who's like sitting there when I get on the boat first is like, you can't have that. And I was like, oh, really? Okay, well, I'm just gonna take it back then. So I go down the elevator, I stuff it in my backpack and I come back up like two minutes later and he looks at me and he goes, you're cheating me, you're cheating. But he's laughing like he lets me through and then I realize, oh, he can see the door of where the duty free shop is and he can see that I never even went in there from where he's standing. But so they get you pretty hard on the drinks and stuff. And also it was a lot of people. There's, there's a lot of stuff set up a lot of activities, a lot of things for people that I get the sense don't really know how to do fun things on their own. So it's like, you know, ladies and gentlemen, at 2:00, don't miss the tango contest on the Lido deck.

[Luke Burbank]

And you know, was there shuffleboard on the deck?

[Sean DeTore]

There was shuffleboard. There was all of the things you think you'd find on a cruise. There was shuffleboard. There was oversized checkers and oversized chess.

[Luke Burbank]

Sweet.

[Sean DeTore]

There was a pool which had a Romanian, like a Romanian guy and girl. There was a series of bands, but they used to play. They would play by the pool a lot. And it was great because the woman over enunciated everything. So she would sing like Shania Twain and be like, damn, I feel like A woman. It was like Count Chocula doing Shania Twain. So that was kind of radio. It was just. I mean, it turned out to be really fun because the people that I was there with were super fun. And they had a casino and they had karaoke rooms, and it was a really, really good time. I don't know if I'm gonna be doing a ton of cruising between now and my 60s. I think once I get a little bit older, I can definitely see the appeal. But if you are one of our listeners and you're in your. Well, I don't know. Grza went on one for her honeymoon and loved it. So I don't really know what the. Maybe it was just me. It was a really fun time and super memorable, and I'm really glad that I did it, but I think I would. I think I'm gonna wait a few years before I. There was this other thing, too, which is this particular cruise line we're on. Their whole thing was freestyle cruising, which I think is supposed to mean, like, you know, you've already paid for all the food and everything. You just like, all you need is your little card, you know, your ID card, and you're freestyling. But anytime something was freestyling, it always meant it was a way bigger hassle and way harder. So we all started joking. By the end, it was like, anytime somebody would just injure themselves, like, you're really freestyling there. Everything was really freestyling. So I guess that's the report on that.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It sounds actually like it all worked out pretty great.

[Luke Burbank]

Sounds like a pretty good time.

[Sean DeTore]

It was awesome. It was awesome. I missed you guys. I missed the US of A. And it's can do attitude. I missed not having a ass crack full of sweat all the time. I got to Amsterdam and It was like 52 degrees, and I was like, hell, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

How long did you spend in Amsterdam?

[Sean DeTore]

One night. And I have to tell you something, I went to the red light district. You know, I didn't see any prostitutes in any windows, which is what I was really interested in seeing. But I found it to be incredibly depressing. Like, it's just. It's like if you took all of the AV rats from Seattle and multiplied them by like 10,000 and put them in one kind of shitty part of a town. Because here's the thing, the unintended consequence of creating a part of your town where you're like, hey, whatever, dudes, is that it doesn't exactly draw in the most with it.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It's not people who are living their best lives generally.

[Sean DeTore]

That's right. That's right. And I was sort of expecting it to be like, nice. And I really had this image in my head of like a beautiful canal and these like cherry trees that were blossoming and then these kind of very tasteful, like, windows that would have like a lady standing in there being like, hey, sailor. That's not it at all. It's like, it's just. It's like narrow alleys and like casinos everywhere. And sex clubs are obsessed with gas masks for some reason. Every single.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Because they're so sexy.

[Sean DeTore]

Every sex shop you walked by of which there were millions, there's like the mannequins have those like double kind of barreled gas masks on or whatever. So it was kind of weirdly depressing. Like, it wasn't. It didn't feel. It felt like bourbon if you've ever been to Bourbon Street. In New Orleans, it was like Bourbon street if everyone was doing a ton of drugs and a lot of the dudes looked like they wanted to murder you. So you can use that, by the way, Amsterdam. That's a freebie. Put that on the brochure. But actually, I was still kind of excited I got to see it.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you go to the porno museum? I've been there.

[Sean DeTore]

The Sexeum.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Sean DeTore]

I walked past it.

[Luke Burbank]

Three floors.

[Sean DeTore]

I walked past it. I just felt like I've seen that stuff happen. I've even been there a few times. I don't know. I didn't know really what I was going to be studying. Oh. But I did the first time. So I was in Amsterdam two times. First time was my layover on the way there. And it was great because they have a casino in the airport in Amsterdam. And I got up. I mean, I got there at 7 in the morning. I had all day in Amsterdam. I went to the casino. I put $10 on roulette. I hit the number. I won a hundred something dollars. I went upstairs to the hotel that's in the airport. I got a room, I went to sleep. I woke up, it was one hour before my flight, went back downstairs and got on my flight to Venice.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow.

[Sean DeTore]

So the first time I was there, I just was inside the airport the whole time.

[Luke Burbank]

Cool.

[Sean DeTore]

And then the second time, I went to the red light district for like five minutes. But anyway. Okay, that's, that's the update on the trip. Sorry if that was super boring, but I think you guys have all come to expect that kind of thing from this program. So you really only have yourself to blame. Let's go from the boring to really just the kind of sad. Jan, I have some bad news for you. Are you ready for this? Yeah, I think.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I think I already.

[Sean DeTore]

You already know what it is. That's good. That sounds right. Is that how that's supposed to sound? How about this? That was worth the build up. The MacArthur Awards have been announced yet again. And, Jen, you are not on the list.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Every year I wake up, I'm ready. I'm ready for that call. And it did not come again this year. Yeah, I don't understand. What part of solving global loneliness they don't understand is amazing.

[Sean DeTore]

Do you know what these things are, Shani? Do you Remember these? The MacArthur Genius Awards?

[Luke Burbank]

Not really.

[Sean DeTore]

Because for the last. Is this the fifth year, the fourth year, however many years we've been doing this show?

[Luke Burbank]

You mean what the stranger does the.

[Sean DeTore]

No, those are the straight. That's, I think, kind of a. That's a reference to the MacArthur Genius Awards. There's this thing where they pick 22 people a year. They can be from arts, science, literature, whatever. And these people are decided to be basically geniuses. People who are so valuable in the work that they're doing whatever they're creating that they get $500,000 to just do whatever they want with. There are no strings attached. You don't have to. You could take it all to Vegas and put it on, which would be, of course, my plan. And. And every year these things come out. And every year, Jen, it's crushing to you that you were not on the list.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I like to think that I was. I think every year I'm in the running. But, you know, like this year there was apparently a cellist who's more important than I am. I mean, every year I see people on the list that I'm like, really? Because I'm actually doing something. I'm attempting to do something that's literally.

[Luke Burbank]

Never been attempted to get rid of global loneliness. Is that what you're saying?

[Sean DeTore]

Via this show?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Via this show.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And it's. It's confusing to me that they don't acknowledge that.

[Sean DeTore]

I do have some good news, though. We're getting closer because a friend of the show won one. You know this, right? Jad Abumrad from Radiolab.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Oh, really?

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah. He got one.

[Luke Burbank]

For what?

[Sean DeTore]

For doing his podcast, Radiolab.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Can I tell you just a quick amazing story? You know, so our friend Mayron, who everybody knows from tons of effing sequence, he just left for New York to be part of this NYU Grad program. So. And he was nervous and I talked to him before he left and you know, it's a big change in his life because he just graduated from Seattle University here. So it's the first day of class and they're going. It's a tiny little graduate program. They're going around the room, each person telling their name, and he says, my name's Mayeron. After the class, another student comes up to him and says, are you Mayeron from tbtl?

[Sean DeTore]

What?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And Mayeron said, please say that again. And it was Carrie of New York. And Kerry said, are you Mayeron from New York? And he said, yes. And then Mayeron grabbed Carrie into a big hug.

[Sean DeTore]

They're in the same program.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And then Carrie. So Mehron, of course emailed me right away, like you're not clear what just happened. And then Carrie emailed me after class and she's like, I'm sure we'll be going out for drinks. And I just thought, MacArthur Foundation. What we are doing here is unprecedented.

[Sean DeTore]

It's happening. And like I said, it's good news and bad news. It's good news in that they are starting to recognize podcasts. It's bad news in that it's not ours. But actually I emailed with Mr. Jad Abumrad today and he was very pretty excited, as you might imagine. Although this is one of the things that I learned.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

If you're not excited about a half a million dollars, something has gone horribly wrong.

[Sean DeTore]

I didn't know this before, Jen, but I learned this that they tell you like a week before they call you and basically say, I've got really good news for you. So next year, if you haven't received that call the day of the.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I thought they called somebody in your life to make sure that you were gonna be by the phone. I thought that's how it worked. Cuz that's what. Remember when Dave Montgomery was on that's what he said they called his wife.

[Sean DeTore]

I think now maybe they've changed it, but I think that now they're actually calling the person. And well, I know we had a guy from the UW who won it today on the radio show. And he said that they called him a week ago and he said. And. And he said, well, that'll make the.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Morning of not as bad for me, I suppose.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, that's all.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I won't have the champagne.

[Sean DeTore]

That's right. I'll keep it in the fridge. I just want you to. I feel like I didn't want to tell you that because now you'll just start being sad a week earlier than normal. But we're getting closer. We're getting ever closer. And if anyone's. I mean, if they're listening to Radiolab, it's conceivable, right, that there's a small overlap somewhere that maybe they've heard of tbtl for sure. I don't know. We're going to have to start helping a lot more kids or something, you know what I mean? On this show, we have to up. Cause we just.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I don't think we can. I mean, we have a. I would say that our aim is already pretty damn wide. I mean, are we gonna narrow it.

[Sean DeTore]

To curing global loneliness?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah, I mean, that's.

[Sean DeTore]

I would take a stranger genius award to be honest with you. Where's that? Jerks.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Don't. You know some of those peeps.

[Sean DeTore]

I used to. God, they used to. Now they're dead to me. Yeah. Okay, time for a segment called what I Miss. This is because I had no Internet. This was nuts. I have never been so unconnected for that long because I don't know why. Because I was gambling, you know, at the casino and every drink is $8. It wasn't like I wasn't spending money on this boat. But I got it in my head that the Internet, which was like a hundred euros for fifty minutes or some crazy shit, I was like, I'm not a Rockefeller. So I just totally. I had no Internet connection and my phone didn't work.

[Luke Burbank]

Really.

[Sean DeTore]

It just was like. Was just. All I had was E. They had like E in the room, and it was just. Keeping up with the Kardashians.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh.

[Sean DeTore]

So I kept up with the Kardashians, but it was like it wasn't even live. It was just a bunch of. Every channel was a tape loop. There was no live feed to the boat. So that was pretty much my information, I can tell you. Also, they were playing Chloe and Lamar.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So if you guys kept up with all.

[Sean DeTore]

Turns out, by the way, Lamar Odom is super awesome. Like, he is the best. He's like the best dude of all time.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sean DeTore]

I want a show called Lamar Odom, where I just watched Lamar Odom do stuff because he is rad. But anyway, I didn't follow the news at all. And so, Flash, you have been carefully following the news. Sean. Less carefully, but still to a degree.

[Luke Burbank]

To a degree.

[Sean DeTore]

And the fourth degree, but not interestingly enough, while wearing degree. That could. That was a Sean joke. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Upstairs.

[Luke Burbank]

Jesus, Louis.

[Sean DeTore]

Okay, so, Jen, what Did I miss what's been going on in the world? It could be your world. It could be the world of the new.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I had my annual physical, and it was really interesting this year because as has been well documented on this show, I do a lot of those kinds of things that no one else in the world does. Like, you know, I get my teeth cleaned every twice a year. I have my annual physical. I get my oil changed every 3,000 miles, no matter what.

[Luke Burbank]

Your car's oil?

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah. That sounded like a weird. Something you guys don't know about Jen. She's a small wonder. She can. She's the electric grandmother. She shoots orange juice out of her finger.

[Luke Burbank]

Surnamed Vicki.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah, so I'm starting to think that you all are right and I'm wrong. Because this year, I went in for my physical, and my doctor seemed genuinely confused as to why I was there. This is I. So I made my appointment for my physical. I got there, I'm sitting there. She walks in. She sits down in the chair opposite me. She goes, so why are you here? And I said, I'm here for my physical. And she goes, okay. Well, are you. Is any. Is anything wrong? No. Do you have any. Any concerns? Do you have any pains? Any worries? No. Okay. So she asked me to ask him three times, why are you here?

[Sean DeTore]

Were you tempted to just make something up?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, it was awkward, and it's 250 bucks to see the doctor. And so I was. So then I started trying to think of something, and so then I said, well, I do have a mole on my back. She goes, let's look at it. She was so excited. Finally, there's something to do. So she leaves, and I put on the robe. She comes back. We were just sitting there, fully dressed, talking, so I put on the robe. She comes back in. She looks at the robe, at the mole, and she goes, nope, it's totally normal. Okay. So I'm sitting there, and she's like, so is there any, like, specific concerns that you have or worries? And so then I said, well, you could give me a breast exam. Great. So she gives me the breast exam. No lumps. So then we're sitting there again, kind of awkwardly, and then she said, have you had your tetanus shot? And I said, when I went to college. She goes, oh, they're only good for every 10 years. And, you know, if you get it, it's, like, nearly fatal. And she said, so you should have it. We should give you a tetanus shot. And I said, I don't really Want a tetanus shot after all that?

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And she goes, well, you should really think about it. I said, okay, I'll think about it. And that was the next year.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So I think that actually all of you guys are totally right. Just go to the doctor if something's wrong. I don't think. I'm now thinking the physical was a complete waste of time and money.

[Luke Burbank]

Unless you've never had a physical go at least the one time, would you say, just to get.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, I don't know. My mind is blown at this point. I mean, I just. All these years have been going every single year, and she just was utterly bewildered as to why I was there.

[Sean DeTore]

I mean, here's the.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Maybe that's not even a real thing anymore, getting an annual physical.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, it is, it is. I had one a few years ago. Okay, yeah.

[Sean DeTore]

For you, it's tri annually.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Maybe that's more what it is. It's not an every year thing. It's just like every few years. I don't know.

[Sean DeTore]

Maybe. I don't know. Although you hear these stories, you know when someone, like, drops dead of a massive heart attack, and they're young, and it's like, oh, they're, you know, heart was. They had blockages.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

He did not listen to my heart.

[Sean DeTore]

That's the one thing.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

The nurse weighed me and took my blood pressure, but the doctor didn't even take out the stethoscope.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, then that's the cause. I haven't had a physical in 20 years. I mean, I probably haven't been to the doctor in five years, 10 years. A long time.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I wish I'd thought of that, of asking her to listen to my heartbeat.

[Sean DeTore]

Because that's the thing, right? You don't want to have some kind of a blockage in your heart you don't know about. You don't want to have some kind of a horrible cancer that's growing. But the problem with that is it's undetectable unless they give you some scan. And I've even heard that those. There are those places that do mri, full body scans, but they're kind of a little bit shystery. But that's the things. Those are the things you want them to catch, right? Because when you hear a story about somebody who has some sort of horrible thing happen to them and it was like growing in them all the while and no one knew, that's like. That's what you're trying to stop. But if you're feeling. If you're feeling good and you go in there, and you sit down and you're like, yeah, I'm feeling great. Then what are they gonna do? They're not gonna give you the full. Maybe you need to start faking.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, maybe you need to get a colonoscopy. Have you had one of those?

[Sean DeTore]

I don't think girls. I don't think girls even need to do that.

[Luke Burbank]

They don't need to do that. Maybe you just do it for fun.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, they don't if you're over 35 or 40.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I don't think it's even covered until you're 50 or something.

[Sean DeTore]

I think that's much more of a dude thing. And it's interesting, the colonoscopy thing, the whole prostate, because Katie Couric's husband died of it. And there's this whole move. Everyone should get checked all the time. And there actually is a real debate about this because. Welcome to colon talk. We've moved from me ranting about Europe to colon talk. But they have found that a lot of times, if they go in and check around in dudes, they'll find something. They're like, well, that could be something. We don't know. That might have been there for 20 years. That might be fine. But once you know about it, we're Americans. Hell, yeah. We have lasers that can cut these things. Then people end up getting these procedures done. And then those procedures themselves are, in a way, dangerous, because you're getting surgery done, you're taking drugs, and they're not sure if it's a net benefit. I think under the age of, like, 50, to actually know what's going on down there, which argues to the point of just letting sleeping dogs lie. Generally speaking, with the physical stuff.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I know for sure that we have two doctors in our audience, and so I would love to know what they think about the annual. Like, if you're in your 30s, how often do you need to just go to the doctor for an annual physical? I would just be interested to know, like, what the guidelines on.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, and I think since your doctor was really shocked, shocking, y'all, about why you were there, like, maybe you don't need to do it every year now, you know, maybe every two, every three, or just when you're feeling ill or something.

[Sean DeTore]

That's like, when I go to the therapist, and I feel like I'm kind of like. I feel like I don't have anything to talk about. I'm thinking, what are we gonna do for 60 minutes? But luckily, I'm a basket case, so I always have something to talk about these days.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

They have, like, four go to questions in that scenario, too, which are, you know, I mean, they can just say, you know, how did you do with your mom when you, like, entered adolescence?

[Sean DeTore]

Whoa. Isn't it funny, though? And this is a real testament, probably, Jen, particularly to you and I and our talkativeness. Or me, you and me. Which one is it? Me or either you.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And it's a testament to you and me.

[Sean DeTore]

To you and me. Thank you. That, like, even when I don't have anything to talk about. We're going long. Well, we're out of time, Luke. There's still 65 minutes of me bullshitting about myself in there somewhere.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Never silence her.

[Sean DeTore]

Did you have that problem when you went, Sean, when you were going to talk to people about things? Were you like.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Did you ever run out of things to say?

[Luke Burbank]

No, not really. Because she would ask me more questions and I would have something to chat about, and I haven't gone for a really long time. And oh, my God, I was late. I couldn't go to one session. Arm and a leg. They charged me.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah, they do. And they're.

[Luke Burbank]

I have to say, my car wouldn't start. I even told them that my lady.

[Sean DeTore]

Is like, it's the most funny thing to be negotiating something like that with a person who's a therapist. Because I had this thing scheduled, and it was like a weird thing where I was like. I emailed her like, can we change it to this thing? And then I wanted to change it back. And then I was like, if I don't hear from you, I'll assume it's the second thing. Blah, blah, blah. So I don't go. So then it's a week or two later, there was a missed session, and she's like, well, as we talk about it, what I'm feeling is a sense of thinking, it would be good if you were to pay that bill. Because my sense of this, she's being super therapy, about being like, pay the money, motherfucker. So of course I did.

[Luke Burbank]

And the thing is, they give you this exorbitant amount of money or a fee, and it's like, you know what, lady? This is making me more depressed. Thanks for really boosting my spirits with this $200 charge.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, no, here's the crazy thing. It's covered on the Cairo insurance, right? There's a copay. So if you go, it's $15 for me, right? If I don't go, it's $100. Because she doesn't. She refuses to Bill, she refuses to commit Medicare fraud, and it's actually medical fraud. She. Yeah, I know. What a dick. So she won't bill. She won't bill them for a session that didn't happen. So there have been days where it's like, I'm super busy, I can't, and I have to go or I'm gonna owe her a hundred bucks. Isn't that weird? Yeah, because if I actually go, I could go for one minute and be like, I'm cool. It would be 15 bucks. But I have to show up to even be like, how's it hanging? High five. And then leave that that way.

[Luke Burbank]

Have you ever tried to do it over the phone?

[Sean DeTore]

No. That's a good idea though, right?

[Luke Burbank]

On the go.

[Sean DeTore]

It's a great idea.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

If she's up for it.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, we'll find out. So this has been one of the weirder first half of the show ever. And I promise, second half is gonna get even more weird because we've got some must see TV to tell you about. Also, I'm gonna give you a review of some of the movies I saw on the airplanes. We've got to let Sean go. Give them all4.ie work for the Ronimal and the Donimal.

[Luke Burbank]

Right.

[Sean DeTore]

Thanks, Sean, for being here.

[Luke Burbank]

You're welcome.

[Sean DeTore]

Is that band Braids? Is that this week on the mixtape?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. So I'm gonna post that up today. And they're playing actually at the Sunset this Saturday the 24th. I think it's like 12 bucks. So they're just starting. They've been blowing up for the last year or so. They're coming out of Canada. I think that would be really fun for people to go check them.

[Sean DeTore]

And always Sunday nights at snuz Junction at 8 o' 8:30. That's right. But get there early. Get there early because it fills up right. All right, well, Shawnee, thank you. It's nice to see you today.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's nice to see you too, man. I hope to catch a drink with you sometime.

[Sean DeTore]

And good news, you have dried out.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I have.

[Sean DeTore]

The middle is a little sweaty still. But don't touch that part. Don't touch that. But most of the shirt is.

[Luke Burbank]

And my bottom half is a little bit.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah, let's just keep that under wraps, I think would be my advice.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, Jen, good to see you.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Nice to see you too.

[Sean DeTore]

Here's this was. This band was the soundtrack of this trip for me. I've played them before. They're called Two Door Cinema Club. And I'm really liking them right now, their album. This album is called Tourist History. And this is a song called Undercover. Martin back with more TBTL in just a moment.

[Chancellor]

And she spoke words that would melt in your hands and she spoke words of wisdom to the basement people to the basement. Many surprises await you in the basement people in the basement you hear the last time you know we're gonna find you sick in the car sick cause you're not up to going out on the main streets completing your mission.

[Sean DeTore]

You.

[Chancellor]

Hid the last time you know we're gonna find you sick in the car sick Cause you're not up to go out on the main streets completing your mission. Ready? And she spoke words that would melt in your hands and she spoke words of wisdom to the basement people to the basement. Many surprises awaiting in the basement people in the basement. You did that last time you know we're going to find you sick in the car Se you're not up to going out on the main street completing your mission you here the last time you know we're going to find you sick in the car seat Cuz you're not up to going out on the main street completing our mission sick in the car see Cuz you're not up to going out on the main streets completing your mission you did that last time you know we got to find you sick in the car.

[Sean DeTore]

Welcome back to tbtl, the show that's probably too beautiful to live. My name is Luke Burbank. That's Gen Flash Andrews over there. We're back after. How many days off was it, Jennifer?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, it was 11 missed TBTLs.

[Sean DeTore]

Oh man, it's a lot.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I think I figured out, by the way, why our counter is so wrong.

[Luke Burbank]

Why?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I think that we started doing the best of on Saturdays.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And I think and they started actually posting that on our website on our blog. And I think that started counting as shows. And that's how we've gotten so off. Because today is number 912. But the counter at what TBTL says 9:15. And we've done. There's been three best of TBTLs posted on Saturdays. So I think it's counting weekend shows.

[Sean DeTore]

Oh, I see. Probably that would mean that somebody at what TBTL probably had to go in. Whoever built that for us had to go in and change it because I think it just goes. It assumes a five day a week broadcast schedule. But for those of you who don't know, we're on the real radio again on Saturdays and Sundays. And so they put that up now. As a podcast you can get. Which is kind of a. Just like a sort of best of.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

But the program. The what? TBTL program clicks every time a podcast is posted.

[Sean DeTore]

Oh, really? Is that how it works?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Because it says at the bottom, it says the podcast was posted at what time. It tells you the time it was posted, and then it clicks up. And so I think that's what it started doing.

[Sean DeTore]

I see. So we're not. But we're not counting those.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No.

[Sean DeTore]

We could get really greedy. We'd get to a thousand a lot faster. Hey, speaking of which, we're only 88 shows away from a thousand.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I know. I think that's February.

[Sean DeTore]

That's going to be an exciting, exciting day. We'll see if we make it. What do you want to do first? Must See tv. Or who needs a movie? Let's do Must See tv, because everybody's sick of hearing from me at this point. My rants.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

A lot of TV shows are debuting this week, and a lot of shows are back. But I just wanted to mention that TiVo did this thing over the weekend where they actually showed the new Zooey Deschanel show. You could watch it before it starts tonight called New Girl.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah, how is it?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And I loved it.

[Sean DeTore]

Really? I don't feel like the trailer that they put together for it does it. Maybe it doesn't do it justice.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

This is the thing. I loved it. And it had troubles. Like, I could tell. Like, it's just gonna get better and better as they work out their chemistry a little bit. And I guess there's like, a recasting situation, which is unfortunate because the person that they're recasting is Damon Wayans Jr. But he. It was one of those things where he did two pilots and he was committed to the other one, and then this one picked up.

[Sean DeTore]

So they're not firing him. He just can't.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

He has to leave. And so I. And he was a really good problem to have. I know he was a really good, strong character. But all that to say, like, there was definitely. It was a little uneven, and it had some troubles, and I still, like, utterly enjoyed every minute of it. I thought it was so charming and smart. Dirty Dancing played a key role in the pilot. Like, it was really good.

[Sean DeTore]

See, I have a feeling. I'm really glad to hear that, because, as you guys know, I'm a big fan of the Deschanel and the preview for that or whatever. The thing that.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

God bless you. God bless you.

[Sean DeTore]

That was almost a thing that I just totally tweeted. About yesterday. Because on the plane, there was a guy next to me from Detroit to Seattle, super nice, really calm guy, middle seat. We're sitting. We're sitting, talking. How's it going? Good and everything. That's like, you know, well, I'll be reading Sky Miles if you need me or whatever the magazine's called. And then we're just sitting there, and all of a sudden he just goes, wahoo. Like the loudest sneeze I've ever heard. And it's. I was like, oh, my God, it's Al Qaeda. Like, it was like a terrorist attack of a sneeze. And. And we're just like. You know, he's back to his reading, like, really enjoying the movie Something Borrowed. He just loved Something Borrowed.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

He was just like, at John Krasinski. He's a goat.

[Sean DeTore]

Absolutely. I've never seen the audio. I've never heard the audio from that movie, but that's playing on every single flight I was on in some capacity.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

You basically know the whole movie.

[Sean DeTore]

I do. And it's just. It's. I've watched that movie in the last three weeks. I've watched that movie probably six times without audio, which is a weird way to experience a mov. But anyway, about, you know, hour later or something, and I'm just like, dude, I can't believe that you're doing that. That loud. And then I sent a tweet that was like, guys, with terrifyingly loud sneezes. You're just doing that to mess with us, right? Because my question is, do you have to sneeze that loud? Is it physically impossible for you to do? You do a crazy, quiet sneeze that's like. It's like the sneeze. What was Mighty Mouse's girlfriend's name?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I don't know.

[Sean DeTore]

You do the sneeze. Mighty Mouse's girlfriend would do. It's like.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Here's the thing about it that I want to tell you, which is that when I was growing up, there was this story at Jesus Creek that there was this guy named Chris who suppressed his sneeze during church. A really big sneeze. And he suppressed it, and it burst his eye. The little blood vessels in his eyeballs.

[Sean DeTore]

I could see that. You do a borderline version of that, though, because you are stifling.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And every time. And I always stifle it. And every time I think, is this gonna be it? Is this it? Is this time that my blood vessels pop? And I think that people who really fully let it out, you know, I think those Are people who are worried about that.

[Sean DeTore]

I think there's gotta be something in between though, right?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yes.

[Sean DeTore]

Like what I just did.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Normal people.

[Sean DeTore]

It wasn't quiet, but it wasn't like this crazy thing this guy did and. Which really made me kind of feel like there's gotta be. That's gotta be to some degree, a put on. First of all, sneezing is really fun. Like if you're at your house by yourself. You know, they say the whole thing about sneezing is kind of close to an orgasm in terms of the physical sensation. If you're at your house, you're by yourself, you feel a big sneeze coming. It is kind of. It's a release, but you don't release your shit that loud on an airplane with people around. Because people were like, whoa. Everybody looked around. Anyway, I'm sorry. Back to the Deschanel.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah, she's so cute and she's so funny and really great. Her timing is great. It's really, really great. And the other super good news that I found out because she was walking the red carpet at the Emmys on Sunday night is that me and him has a holiday album coming out.

[Sean DeTore]

She and him.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

She and him.

[Sean DeTore]

Sorry, I and him. I and him.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No, it's actually me and M. Ward. We're doing it. She and him have a holiday album coming out. They're tailor made for that. Like a cool retro sounding holiday album. That'll be great.

[Sean DeTore]

Sounds good. What else is. What else looks good to you?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, I'm definitely gonna give this Prime Suspect remake a try. So Prime Suspect is this BBC show that's been a long running hit with Helen Mirren playing this like drunk. Yeah, brilliant.

[Sean DeTore]

My mom loves that show. Has no effing idea what's happening at any time because it's way complicated and super British. But she loves it. She and my dad watch it. She and my dad. My dad. She and him watch it. And Ward comes over to the house and they watch Prime Suspect on Saturday nights.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So I'm gonna give that a shot. It's starting on Thursday night starring Maria Bello, kind of an Americanized version in New York. And I, you know, it doesn't speak well of me, but I definitely tend to like the Americanized versions of BBC shows. So I'm gonna give that one a shot.

[Sean DeTore]

I like Maria Bello a lot too.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Parenthood is Back. You missed that. That started last week.

[Sean DeTore]

Oh, geez.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So there's a Parenthood tonight. There's also Raising Hope is Back. That's a show I really like.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

But honestly, every critic that I've read and heard have all basically said that all the new shows are not very good. And the new Girl with Zooey Deschanel is getting the most in terms of positive.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah, there's that Playboy Club.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Nobody feels good about that.

[Sean DeTore]

That one got a bad review. And then Pan Am kind of got a bad review, too. But they were on NPR, which is like, really like NPR's TV reviews. Like they know anything.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, I think that, you know, they're being called the. Both of those shows are being called the Mad Men Club because they're both trying to, like, you know, evoke this certain period in our history. And everybody says that Pan Am probably has a better shot because it's. It's a little smarter and Christina Ricci's in it and the play by Club One. But also, it's not like they're showing. It's not like they're showing naked women. I think that a lot of people are being like, that's objectifying and all that. They're trying to evoke a certain time. I mean, Mad Men is objectifying. If you're going to talk about a Playboy club in the 60s, that's what was going on there.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, here's the thing, too, that actually, I am ripping off from the review on NPR this morning that I'm also saying, what does NPR know about tv? He was saying that the problem with. Well, the thing that Mad Men does effectively is it portrays this world, this chauvinistic world in this world with all the problems it had. But they managed to write the female characters in a way that's interesting and give them interesting problems to overcome and an interesting sort of identity. Whereas it's really hard to do that with the Playboy Club because by definition, these women are just kind of like there as objects. And so when you try to create a show from the 50s, it's hard to write the female parts in a way that isn't just reducing them down to, like, a piece of ass.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sean DeTore]

But that doesn't give them, like, they're trying to be the CEO of the company because that probably wouldn't have happened either, you know?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Nope.

[Sean DeTore]

So. So anyway, there was one more. I feel like there was one more TV show. Oh, well, a Two and a Half Men debuted last night.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yes, I watched it.

[Sean DeTore]

You did watch it? Okay, I didn't watch it because I got home at a weird hour, but I listened to clips of it today, which, if I was a Better imaginary radio person I would just have here, but I don't. Well, I'll ask you, what did you think of it?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It's honestly the most horrible thing I've ever encountered in my life. And I want to just say right off the bat, I know stuff. You're a brave man. You're the 10 who admits you love Two and a Half Men and this is nothing against you. And maybe this show, like, was an out of the box one because it's the new one, you know, killing off Charlie Sheen, bringing in Ashton. It was the worst 20 minutes I've ever sat through. I can't believe they think that's funny or interesting or good television. I was shocked at how bad it.

[Sean DeTore]

Is, really, because I thought the clips I heard. Here's what I thought. It's not the most hilarious thing I've ever seen or heard, but it was definitely edgy. Like, they're talking about his character dying and she's like, he exploded like a balloon full of meat. And the ones talking about he gave him anal warts. Like, were you just. Were you put off by what you felt was the crass nature of the show? That's enough to.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I was put off by the fact that there wasn't funny, like, you know, if they want to skewer Charlie Sheen or. And apparently that wasn't even what the point was. That was literally the character. Like, everything that I've read is that that show is just smarmy and it's just sleazy. And that's like the whole point of it, really. It was like, beyond.

[Sean DeTore]

See, I was kind of like, I know the Ashton Kutcher character. There's supposed to be something where he has, you know, he's way endowed. That's like a big joke. And again, I don't think that that's very funny. But I heard that he was just walking around naked and they were just blurring it out. I guess my criticism of Two and a Half Men having never watched it was it's just bland pablum. And if this show was any indicator, this was definitely the episode I've given the most attention to, which is amazing because I didn't even watch this one. So I still haven't ever watched the show, but it seemed to me like it might not be funny, but it's doing stuff that I'm surprised they would even try to do, like have a character walking around having with huge junk that's being pixelated the whole time.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And that's not what happened. I mean, the Very, very final little shot. He was running up the stairs, and the bottom of his bottom was blurred out. Oh, okay.

[Sean DeTore]

We'll see. That's why I didn't. I wouldn't know. I didn't see it. Meanwhile, Charlie Sheen was on the Roast of Charlie Sheen last night. And what did you watch the end of that. Have you seen anything?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I didn't watch any of the Roast.

[Sean DeTore]

He was weirdly sort of together and with it.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, I really think his manic period is over. I think that. And that's what I kept saying. Like, this has all the earmarks of a manic session. And I think it's over because on the Today show, he couldn't have been more, like, normal. All the tics are gone. The emaciated appearance is gone. All of the weird, like, blurting. All of that's gone. He was on Leno, was, like, totally gracious and lovely and interested in other people.

[Sean DeTore]

On the Emmys.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

On the Emmys. Totally gracious, totally normal. Didn't, you know, looks physically healthy. Like, he seems to have completely stabilized.

[Sean DeTore]

So what does that mean? I mean, what do we take away from this whole thing? Because what it seems to me is that, I don't know, he didn't die.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sean DeTore]

And he didn't.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, people have manic periods.

[Sean DeTore]

He didn't get committed all the time. He just. Just went. He just did that for a while, and now he's not doing it anymore. And I guess that just means he'll just go through his life that way. I guess I thought there was going to be. I thought it was going to come to an end in one way or the other. He was either going to die, he was going to be committed, or something was going to happen. Something had to give, and it seems like nothing gave. He just stopped doing it, and now he's just going to. He has a new thing with Lionsgate. He'll make a new show. It'll probably be, you know, I don't know. It might be good to watch. People will like it.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

They're saying he's about to get a $25 million payout from Warner Brothers.

[Sean DeTore]

Like, but then doesn't that mean that. Like, that Charlie Sheen had it figured out all along and we didn't? I mean, really.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, it does mean that I was right. As I said from the very beginning, Charlie Sheen is not a victim. He's living the life he wants to lead. And so, you know, you can like it or not like it, but I don't. I refuse to feel sorry for him.

[Sean DeTore]

I've never felt sorry for him, but I just mean, it just feels like.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

What did he win, though? You're saying he won? I mean, what did he win? He's alone in the world.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, how so?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

He's burned every branch.

[Sean DeTore]

Richard says she. She'd still marry him or whatever. She still likes him. That Brooke Mueller lady seems to tolerate him at times. You know, like, I think if you.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Go to Charlie Sheen's house, you'll find that he's not a winner. He didn't win anything.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, I don't think he won, but, I mean, I don't know. I guess it just. This just played a. Of the various scenarios that I imagined of how this ends, I didn't imagine. Yeah, he just kind of stops being crazy and then goes back to normal life and probably books some more big jobs and just keeps being, you know, Charlie Sheen. I didn't see that. I thought that we had seen the end of him in the sense that, like, I thought he was going to get more and more desperate. No one was going to ever give him work. I mean, this is what I said on the show. I thought that, like, the whole winning thing, that was losing its steam and that he was just going to kind of continue down this spiral where he was going to become less and less and less relevant. But, like, last night was, like, the most relevant he's ever been. Two and a Half Men was dedicated to him. He's tweeting about his Two and a Half Men watching party, which he's thanking Buca di Beppo for catering. He's on the roast where he actually handled it better than I've ever seen anyone handle it. Like, he gets up at the end and he's like, listen, guys, it was just so funny. Good job. I mean, look, drugs can't kill me. Sex with porn stars can't kill me. In fact, I can't kill me. I've tried. So your jokes can't really do anything to me. I'm Ricky Vaughn. I'm the wild thing. And by the way, I found out, and you know what he said at the end? He said, I'm dropping this whole winning thing. He announced he's dropping winning. He goes, and this is hokey. And, like, why would you talk about this on Comedy Central? But he was like, I'm dropping this whole winning thing because I've already won. It's because my family loves me. And, like, again, he looks totally normal again. It's just. I just didn't expect him to just pull the nose up and just keep flying, you know.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Neither did Jon Cryer. He was interviewed recently and they asked him, I think, on Ellen, and Ellen asked him about it, and he said, I honestly was worried he was gonna die. And he didn't. So it's a good story. So I don't think, you know, nobody knew how the story was gonna end. And actually Martin Sheen made me cry in the Sunday Times, in the New York Times on Sunday. They asked him about it and he said, and I thought this was really interesting in terms of there's so many parents out there whose kids may, might be going through some kind of horrible thing. And he said, all you can do is stand outside with a lantern and hope your kid sees you through the dark. And I thought, what a great way to. Rather than like cutting your kid off or, you know, saying, until you're, until you're living the way I want you to live, you can't come home. Like that kind of thing. Just being like, you know what? I'm leaving the light on for you. This is your home, and hopefully you make it through the darkness and you find it.

[Sean DeTore]

But don't you think that dynamic changes when the kid makes more money than you and because, like, what can Martin Sheen cut him off from? Love, I guess.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Parental love, family support, all of that.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Anyway, I, I, he said on the, on the Tonight show, you know, because they asked him about winning and all that stuff, and he said it was, I knew it was all stupid. He goes, I, he said something like, I knew it was all ridiculous, but I kind of started it. So I wrote it, I took it where, where I could take it, you know, talk about the tour and all that stuff, you know. He basically admitted, I started this craziness and I saw it through and now I'm ready to get back to work.

[Sean DeTore]

And man, I just am, I'm, I'm utterly, I mean, I'm usually wrong anyway on the show. So it shouldn't be a big surprise to me that my prediction was totally wrong. But I just, this was the, this to me was the least likely scenario, was that it all just kind of goes, it just all kind of normals out. And like, I'm sure, I'm sure that he will get hired to do very high profile, high paying gigs. It's amazing how much craziness you can get away with and then have people be, you know, like, but there you go. So as far as the movie scene, I love movies. I don't watch enough movies because I can't commit two hours of my life. And really like three hours of my life to something, to anything. I don't ever make plans because I don't like. I don't like, like for me to go see a movie, it means I have to decide, well, that's what I'm doing from 7:30 to 9:30. And for some reason, it just feels like a big time commitment to me. I'd rather just leave my options open, which means I don't see that many movies, like, in a theater or anything. I might watch a movie on Netflix, but even then, I don't even like to start movies a lot of the time because I think I might not want to be here in two hours. And so when I'm trapped on an airplane, as I was going like eight hours, I got nothing but time. So I watched a bunch of movies. I watched Cedar Rapids with Helms so funny and John C. Reilly. That movie is great.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And somebody from the Wire is in that.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah, the guy. The guy who plays Clay Davis.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean DeTore]

In the Wire. Or as we like to say on this show, everyone just go. Go entertain yourself for a minute. That's good, too. I really got to find a better way to organize these things. This is Clay. This is Clay Davis. It's funny because he plays this very, let's just say, nerdy, kind of a black guy who, quote, unquote, acts white, whatever that's supposed to mean. But his character is referencing throughout the movie. I really enjoy the HBO program the Wire. They have him say that two different times, which is just awesome.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So you recommend Cedar Rapids.

[Sean DeTore]

So good. Really? Really? Sigourney Weaver is great in it. It's also, if you like Alexander Payne movies, he's the executive producer and it's, you know, it's in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. It's got that Alexander Payne aesthetic. For people that don't or look to it. I feel like I don't really use aesthetic. Right. Sometimes.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, you leave out the H. Is a lot of your problem.

[Sean DeTore]

Aesthetic.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Aesthetic. Because aesthetic is a different word.

[Sean DeTore]

Like. Right. Like an A C, like in Siddhartha. Oh, Herman Hess. What? Look it up. Yeah. Huh? I just took it there. Okay. Aesthetic. But also, I think. I mean, aesthetic means beauty. But people, I think. Right. Like, keep talking.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah. Okay.

[Sean DeTore]

I'm gonna look up. Just keep, Keep. Keep talking. I was trying to play Clay Davis again. That would have been really funny. But anyway, I thought it was like.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

The art of something. The aesthetic of it, how it's designed, the style of it, the design of it.

[Sean DeTore]

That's probably it. Wait. Definition. Definition concerned with beauty or the appearance of beauty. A set of principles underlying and guiding the work of a particular artistic or artistic movement. Okay, so it has that Alexander Payne aesthetic to it.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah. That you're really questioning yourself today. You're having some grammar breakdowns.

[Sean DeTore]

I haven't done this for a long time. It's hard, you know, it's just fine. It's not like riding a bike, Jennifer.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I did that on vacation, by the way. I went bike riding a couple times.

[Sean DeTore]

How was it?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Because I was, like, in a tiny town in Idaho, and the inn where we stayed provided bikes. And so we went on a bike ride every morning. It was really, really fun. And we didn't, like, do anything hard. I mean, I was, like, in a skirt. Cause I wanted to pretend I was in, like, one of those movies.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah, you had, like, a basket.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I had a basket.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And so it's like we went faster than anything hard. But it was just really fun because I was like. It really is like riding a bus. You get on and you know how to do it. I hadn't done it in 10 years, but I just picked it right up. Didn't fall down or anything.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, good for you. Every time I have to say, that was the one thing. In Amsterdam, I saw people riding bikes, and I thought, that looks really fun, because I think it's pretty flat. And they were riding bikes through the red light district, but they were like. They lived there. They had groceries. And I thought, I don't know if I'd go past the. This. The place called Fux F U X X. I don't know if I'd take the bike route where I have to ride past that. I just don't know if that's where I would. If. But anyway. Okay, so Cedar Rapids was really good. Also, I saw Tree of Life. Ooh, Terrence Malik, the Terrence Malick film. Whoa.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

That is a very divisive film. Like, people either were really moved by it or hated it. Do you hear how Sean Penn, like, hated it?

[Sean DeTore]

Sean Penn hated it. Did he hate it?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

He's like, I don't know what that was about. I don't know what he was trying to do. I just don't get it.

[Sean DeTore]

Why did he do it?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Well, I think he thought it was gonna. I think with Terrence Malick, you often think, like, he's like, it's. And then it's gonna be this. And so you just have to trust him that it's gonna turn into something.

[Sean DeTore]

But Sean Penn's character had to know. I mean, Sean Penn had to know. Unless there was an entire, like, normal, linear movie that they shot that then Terrence Malick just took apart. Which is maybe. Maybe that's the case. Maybe there was tons of, like, quote unquote, normal dialogue.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

What side did you fall on? Were you moved by it or were you completely confused?

[Sean DeTore]

Well, I was on an airplane, okay? And let me say this. When I'm on an airplane, I'll cry at any movie I cried at. I cried hard at Hall Pass. I'm not kidding. We'll get to that in a minute. I am not shitting you. So I will cry at any movie on an airplane. I don't know why. For one thing, because I am usually drunk. And for number two things, I just am in a weird, heightened state of emotion. It's not because I'm afraid the plane is gonna crash. I don't understand why it is.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

But the air is pressurized.

[Sean DeTore]

The movies are more effective on me in terms of pulling up my heartstrings when I'm watching them on an airplane. I don't know why it is, but. So I found it. Well, I'll say this. I thought it was really interesting. I fell asleep in the middle of it. I woke up, I didn't feel like I'd missed anything. And I watched it till the very end and I didn't understand a lot of it. But I will say this. For me, it was really affecting in certain parts because it's the story of this kid growing up in Waco whose little brother dies. And the dad is Brad Pitt. And the mom is this girl who.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I don't know her name, Jessica Chastain.

[Sean DeTore]

Amazing. What's.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I'm gonna talk about her tomorrow during. It's pretty cool because she stars in the Debt. I will get into it tomorrow.

[Sean DeTore]

Well, she's.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

She's amazing.

[Sean DeTore]

She's incredible. And these kids in this tree of life, they don't have hardly any dialogue. I mean, the whole movie is just kids, like, on a tire swing or by a river or like putting a frog on a sky. They're doing all this stuff, but they're never really doing dialogue. They're just standing around. But it evokes the feelings of childhood in this incredibly powerful way. Because when you think about childhood, when you remember your childhood, it's the smell in the summertime at about 8:00 when you're out with your friends. And, like, it's not even about things that people say. It's a feeling. It's A vibe. And this movie nails that vibe, I think, incredibly well. It's probably like it could be an hour shorter. A lot of it is bullshit, but I found it to be really moving at times. Enough so that the bullshit parts I didn't care about, like. And there are these scenes, you know, the Brad Pitt character. I thought Brad Pitt's pretty amazing in it too, actually. He's this really, really tough dad. But the way that they. The way that it's shot and the way it's edited and the like, they'll. They'll depict these scenes where Brad Pitt is being, you know, just really a hard ass to these kids. And the more the movie way to do it would be, the dad just starts yelling and hitting everyone. And then it's like it would. And in this, it's so much. It's like the shot will just be of a kid's face and you hear like for whatever ocean waves breaking somewhere. And Brad Pitt's kind of saying something, but it's sort of not being. It's being kind of mean, but then he's kind of pulling back. It's just. It doesn't add up in a narrative way, but it adds up in a sort of emotional effectiveness way. It gives you the feeling of being a little kid or of being the wife of a guy who's like this kind of jerk or. I don't know. I think everyone should see it. Honestly, even if you don't like it, I think you should see it. I think there's like three moments in the movie. I bet you, most people that watch it, there will be three moments where they'll just be like, wow, that just totally took me to some emotional place. If you're. What if you're on an airplane and drunk? Anyway, so that was good. Hall Pass. Way better than I thought it was going to be. Have you seen Hall Pass?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

No. I find the entire premise.

[Sean DeTore]

Of course, though. But that's. But that doesn't surprise me. I mean, if you knew how the movie turned out.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Yeah, well, I know how the movie turns out because it's a Hollywood movie. And so they're all going to realize that they don't want a Hall Pass and they want to go back home.

[Sean DeTore]

If you watch this movie. So what's your point?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

It's just that, like, Judd Apatow, all these guys. It's this whole new thing in Hollywood where all the movies are about how what guys need to do is grow up and get married and be faithful. But yeah, everybody already. It's this Weird thing. Like, they think they've discovered this new idea about how men are in this ongoing adolescence. And I just think that the way it treats men in this country is, no, men act like that.

[Sean DeTore]

And yet you watch Sex and the.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

City, which is also reductive. Absolutely.

[Sean DeTore]

Because I will just say that. I'm not saying. I'm not going to say that everybody has to see it, but I was like, I bet you I won't get through 10 minutes of this movie. And Jason Sudeikis is really funny in it, as is Owen Wilson. It's, like, well written. I will tell you not to ruin it for anyone. There is some cheating, and it's not the dudes. So it's not just like. I mean. And of course, yeah, there's this dumb thing, which is that, you know, that it has to end up somewhere where it's like. It's. It's sort of. It has to go somewhere that's emotionally important or whatever. Like, he has to. You know, he has to realize something. So, you know that's gonna happen. So that's the lamest part. But, like, there's some really. There's some really funny scenes in there. I don't understand. I'm sorry. I'm just gonna say it. I find Jenna Fisher to be one of the least interesting people I've ever seen in my life on film. I don't understand why they put her in movies. She's like Owen Wilson's wife, and she's just utterly not believable or interested.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

She didn't do much for me either.

[Sean DeTore]

I don't get it at all. Meanwhile, Christina Applegate is great in it, really funny. And I'm trying to remember who else. Oh, Stephen Merchant is in it from one of the original creators of the Office.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And Extras.

[Sean DeTore]

And extras. And he plays one of these, you know, these friends. Anyway, if you are on an airplane or if you're at a red box and they're out of everything and they have hall pass, I am going to say you will hate it less than you thought you will. And you might even like it a little bit. I thought it was pretty funny, although Addie hated it. So you're in good company because she told me, and she and I like all the same movies. She was like, that was, like, one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

So I think I'm just. I'm kind of done with it. Like, I'm done with, like, how all the men in this country are, like, trapped. And. And they're all, like, Raunchy, but they're not able to be who they really their were true raunchy self. And they just want to go hit on apples, bees, wait, Applebee waitresses. And I just feel like there's all this whole genre of movies that have been made up that I just don't think men act like that. No, men that I know act like that. Most men, you know, love their wife and love their kids and go to work and do their thing.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah, but you don't hang out with dudes. Like, I don't mean that every guy married guy is some gross like lech, but like, I think most guys. Well, I don't think there are very many guys who are married who are not on some level attracted to other women. They're not going to act on it. They're not going to be gross about it. But like, I think I totally understand your being over it because I think you're right. I think that the market has been flooded. And that was why I didn't think when I saw the preview, Like, I gotta see that in the. And even the name Hall Pass is dumb. Like, everything about it, it's just like, we get it. We've seen that film a million times. And what a. What a stupid name. And the trailer is. Does not make you want to see that movie. But. But I don't know. I think that. I think it was pretty. Actually pretty funny. Again, I did do this thing where for the both long flights, I paid like 80 more bucks or something to be in the slightly nicer part of coach, which came with free drinks. And I made it my mission on both directions to drink $80. $80 worth of alcohol. And it was hard because I had to really, like, for one thing, I didn't want on the flight there I was sitting next to this awesome South African lady who lived in. In the Netherlands. And she was just like. She was drinking scotch. We were going like shot for shot the whole flight. It was great. She works for Microsoft. Cool lady. But then on the way home, I was sitting next to a Christian guy from Kenya who was reading a book called you're not rejected. It was all about Christianity. So I had to be kind of like, is he judging me about how much I'm drinking? So I did a lot of, like, when I got up to go to the bathroom, I'd be like, hey, can I get another drink? And then I did use the call button a few times to get a drink. But I tried to do it when he was up and moving around or when he went to sleep, I'd order like, three drinks. Had to be. And after the whole guy peeing on the. Peeing near the 11 year old and the Depardieu thing, I think they're all on high alert. So I had to try to order from different flight attendants, so no one really knew. And I had to be like, my super not drunkest when I was ordering it, because I feel like that's where they start to get the notion of, like, watch out for 13B. So I'd have to be like. When they'd be walking over, I'd be practicing in my head going, hey, if you get a chance, can I have another gin and tonic? Even though in my head it was like, you should watch Hall Pass. Sit down. This movie is good. But I kept that under wraps, so they kept serving me. All right. Whoa. My God, I almost broke the computer. I've been drinking again. Sorry. Secretly during the show, that's how good I'm getting. Is there anything else that I've forgotten, Jen? Or are we gonna. I think that's good. Should we do anything else?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I think we've got it all. Got it all in.

[Sean DeTore]

All right. I promise tomorrow's show will be less weird than this one. Again, in my defense, I'm super duper jet lagged and had a lot of thoughts that clearly were not very focused. So I'm sorry. Tomorrow will be better, I promise. Are you gonna come back tomorrow, Jenna, or is this our last show tonight?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I couldn't tell if you were apologizing to me or the listeners. I think it was exactly what everybody was, that they would kind of hear all about your trip and how.

[Sean DeTore]

I still think. I think it was a pretty bad show. So anyway, thanks for listening, guys. Oh, I forgot to tell you. What do you think I was drinking on the boat, Jennifer?

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Chateau San Michel.

[Sean DeTore]

That's exactly right. I had more Chateau St Michel, by the way, the official wine sponsor of the program. I had more Chateau St Michel on this cruise in a week than I've had in any time before this. Since they've been our sponsor. It was, like, the best wine on the boat.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Wow.

[Sean DeTore]

Yeah.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

Awesome.

[Sean DeTore]

And it was reasonably priced and it was delicious. And I had it with, like, almost every meal, so I wanted to take a picture of it too. It was really cute, though, because everyone who was on the cruise who knows about TBTL was like, dude, check it out. It's on the menu. Like, everybody was really excited that we could order Chateau St. Michel wine in, like, the Adriatic Sea. Totally if you would like to share that experience, you can always pick up a bottle of Chateau St. Michel. As you know, they're available in the grocery stores around the country. Also, you can buy it online. If you go to tbt.net, there's a button that connects you up to Chateau St. Michel. And we appreciate it. I mean, they are still sponsoring the show, right? Do you know? Yes, it's been a long time. They're still sending checks, though.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I haven't heard anything.

[Sean DeTore]

Okay, well, we're going to operate on the assumption that they're still the official wine sponsor of tbtl. I'm pretty sure they are. And even if they stopped being the official. And don't get any ideas, guys. Seriously, we need you. But we would still love them forever because they are a great sponsor and great people and. And. And just all around about the best you could possibly be. So shadow San Michelle, the official wine sponsor of tbt. Shout to San Michelle, Woodinville, Washington. All right, that's going to do it for this rambling episode of tbtl again, I promise tomorrow, back to the shorter, rambling styles of TBT that you've come.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

I think you should be prepared, though, that, I mean, you're jet lag is gonna last all week. It's not like you're just over it now. Like it's a. It's a long thing. So maybe over promise.

[Sean DeTore]

Maybe the listener should prepare for that. All right, here's more. Two Door Cinema Club. This song is called Something Good Can Work. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow at High Deuce. Until then, no mountain too tall.

[Jen Flash Andrews]

And good luck to all.

[Chancellor]

There's a spanner in the works. You know you gotta step up your game to make it to the top. So go a little competition. Are you gonna find out how to cope with living on your own? Oh, oh, let's make this happen, y'all. Let's get this started. Going, moving up and moving up it's been a lot to change make you what you want it took a little time to make a little better it's only going up just one thing then another, you know it took a little time to make a little better it's only going up just one thing then another, you know.