#676: Punished

Summary

Tell ‘Em Steve-Dave! Episode #676: “Punished” (May 17, 2026)

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Overview

This week’s Tell ‘Em Steve-Dave! episode centers on Disney's newly released "Punisher: One Last Kill" special. The crew—Bryan Johnson, Walt Flanagan, Brian Quinn (BQ), and Tom King—debate Disney's approach to the Punisher character, nostalgia versus adaptation, and what makes a truly great Punisher story. Later, the conversation shifts to highlights and absurdities from Jimmy and Michelle’s whimsical wedding, new haircuts, and the oddities of serial killer fandom.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Disney’s Punisher: One Last Kill Special

(Discussion begins ~01:20, deep dive through ~32:28)

• Initial Reactions:

  • Bryan Johnson enjoyed the depth and psychological torment of Disney’s version, praising it for showing Frank Castle as emotionally damaged rather than glorifying ultra-violence.
    • "If you're going to portray the Punisher...it's almost irresponsible for Disney not to show how schizophrenic and how psychotic and how damaged a human being has to be to do that." (05:09, Bryan Johnson)
  • Brian Quinn (BQ) was disappointed: too much emoting, not enough cold-blooded Punisher, excessive "sob-stories," and not enough shark-like action.
    • "I've probably read every Punisher story... I just don't remember him crying this much." (02:23, Brian Quinn)
    • "[The episode] still doesn't feel like the Punisher yet. It does not feel like the Punisher or my version of the Punisher, which is Garth Ennis's version." (13:54, Brian Quinn)

• Violence & Tone:

  • BQ gives grudging respect to Disney for the explicit violence (notably, a fight scene where Punisher stabs a guy in the face 17 times). Yet, he says the violence is intercut with too much melodrama.
    • "So much of him was in the fucking room by himself crying while ghosts yelled at him." (22:37, Brian Quinn)
    • "You're dead right. The violence in it when he gets going is insane." (12:22, Brian Quinn)

• Changes to Punisher's Ethos:

  • The group debates whether sanitizing or “neutering” Punisher is essential in the current cultural climate, considering the character's adoption by extremist groups.
    • "Disney cannot glorify the Punisher in this day and age after the way the character has kind of been hijacked... They did everything in their power to neuter him." (06:14, Bryan Johnson)
  • BQ argues the show bends over backwards to make every victim of the Punisher a confirmed "supervillain," making gray-area storytelling impossible.
    • "It wasn't enough that these people... are trying to kill the Punisher, so he's killing them back. Like while they're looking for him... they have to beat the shit out of the little boy, try and rape his mom..." (08:37, Brian Quinn)

• Character Development/Setup:

  • BQ feels the “reset” origin-story approach is tired, wanting Punisher unleashed from scene one.
    • "That on ramp has gone from the Daredevil second season... through this. But, like, how long is this fucking on ramp, man?" (15:11, Brian Quinn)
  • Bryan sees value in showing the breaking point:
    • "Because he's looking... he wants to commit suicide in this. And... by the end though, he realizes he has a purpose now... he's going to kill every scumbag he fucking sees." (10:49, Bryan Johnson)

• Costume Debate:

  • Discussion of whether the "skull" costume is essential to Punisher’s character.
    • "He's just in his normal civics because he's being attacked. But... he's really the only character that I can abide by and accept not wearing that costume." (20:29, Bryan Johnson)
    • "How cool is it when they showed him in the outfit later on?" (20:51, Brian Quinn)
    • The group jokes about Disney “putting Mickey in the closet” to let Punisher be violent.

• Adaptation of Manucci Storyline:

  • BQ bemoans that iconic villain Manucci was marginalized and not given the over-the-top treatment of the comics.
    • "In the Marnucci storyline, he punches a fucking polar bear just to piss it off so it kills a bunch of fucking Italian grease balls. Give me that shit." (31:33, Brian Quinn)

• Sympathy and Heroism:

  • Debates about whether Punisher should view himself as a hero or simply a necessary force—that is, the difference between Walt/Johnson’s interpretation vs. Quinn’s preference for Ennis-style “machine”:
    • "I think Frank Castle...will consider himself a necessary force to help people, not to become victims the way his family did. Almost a heroic way." (15:57, Bryan Johnson)
    • Counterpoint: "It's a valid read. It's just not a read I want for the Punisher for me." (16:23, Brian Quinn)

• Memorable Moments & Quotes:

  • “I would have thought I heard the woo from Staten Island from my house...” (22:51, Bryan Johnson)
  • “I would rather they make Franken Castle than give me what they gave me. You understand?” (22:25, Brian Quinn)
  • “Mickey pulled down his pants and having a heart on instead of a vagina... this throbbing fucking massive fucking hairy covered boner filled with testosterone.” (21:09–21:37, Bryan Johnson, joking about the episode’s unexpected brutality)

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2. Wedding Highlights: The Union of Jimmy & Michelle

(Starts ~42:06, extends through ~58:44)

• Whimsy, Costumes & Dog Mayhem:

  • The wedding featured playful, movie-inspired dress codes—Joker, Beetlejuice, Swearengen, even “Baron” and “Friar Tuck.”
  • Bryan’s dog Teddy was a bigger hit than any human guest.
    • "Teddy was getting really weirded out at a certain point. So much attention paid to him. There was one kid... would not leave him the fuck alone." (42:33, Bryan Johnson)

• Catering Chaos:

  • The pig roast chef (a friend of the groom) gave strange speeches about pigs being “awful,” not smart, and potentially cannibalistic—amidst the dinner.
    • "But this guy was a fucking moron. He really was... he launches into this, like, anti pig diatribe: pigs are bad, they'll eat your hand, your foot..." (44:34, Walt Flanagan)
    • "I guess if you're a kid, a wedding is so boring... the introduction of a dog is just like, oh, my God. Thank God. Something." (42:41, Bryan Johnson)

• DIY Issues:

  • Justin Kyle and others ended up pressed into kitchen labor because the caterer brought no assistants.
    • "So Justin, Kyle and the wannabes are pressed into service, like, literally all day Saturday. Justin Kyle is prepping food, chopping up salads, making, you know, chopping up the pork, washing dishes..." (48:34, Walt Flanagan)

• Wardrobe Malfunctions & Almost-Scandal:

  • Michelle’s dress strap broke during a hug with Walt—“her heaving bosom nearly presented itself to me.” But he’s quick to note his gentlemanliness.
    • “What a gentleman. To mention it on a podcast.” (50:08, Bryan Johnson, playfully roasting Walt)

• Absurd/Unique Wedding Moments:

  • Unplanned near-accidents (Faygo Armageddon bottle launch), mosh-pit soda fights, axe throwing, and archery as activities.
  • Richard Christie (from Howard Stern Show) officiated, thanks to Walt’s intervention.

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3. Personal Transformations and Reddit Feedback

(Starts ~54:32, discussion through ~70:32)

• Get 'Em's Dramatic New Look:

  • Tom ("Get 'Em") debuts a radical buzzed haircut to fit a Friar Tuck costume—Walt and Bryan honestly do not recognize him at first.
    • "His face is all white... who the fuck is that guy?" (51:00, Bryan Johnson)
    • Community reaction (“r/bald” Reddit): unexpectedly positive and affirming, which surprises the crew.
    • “I don’t think I’ve heard one positive comment about me on Reddit... just a string of like, 'you look great,' 'Way to go Get ‘Em,' 'You look like a sexy Viking.'" (69:24, Walt Flanagan)

• Validation from Internet Strangers:

  • Get ‘Em finds internet praise for his new look really meaningful.
    • "It's just like, it's like standing next to a warm fire, like, you just feel that warmth and it's like, okay." (69:53, Tom King)

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4. True Crime Morbidity: The Serial Killer Exhibit

(Starts ~72:19, through ~78:15)

• Bryan’s Disappointment with the Museum:

  • No real artifacts, only replicas; feels like a cash-in on dark curiosity.
    • "I knew every single serial killer knew all about them and the replica shit. I was like, you got to be fucking kidding me." (73:44, Bryan Johnson)
    • "Doesn't this glorify and give exactly what you don't like?... If you're a good enough serial killer, you may get in a museum one day. That is fucked up." (74:01, Bryan Johnson)

• Broader Discussion:

  • Is glorification of killers dangerous, and does it encourage copycats or is it just historical documentation?
    • "I don't know if, like, possibility of being in a museum is enough to tip someone over to killing." (75:15, Brian Quinn)
    • "If they're not like 'this is fucking awesome, come check out these kills, you know, and there's a scoreboard...’" (76:20, Brian Quinn)

• Why Are Women the Main Audience for True Crime?

  • "It's all women. It's like 80, 75% women that watch those shows." (78:15, Brian Quinn)

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5. Quick Hits & Miscellaneous Topics

• Comic Book Talk (Starman, Dungeon Crawler Carl):
  • Q is rereading "Starman" and recommends new "Dungeon Crawler Carl" books.
    • "I'm not passionate about anything in my life like I am about 30-year-old comic books, and that might be a problem." (32:33, Brian Quinn)
• Free Comic Book Day:
  • BQ calls it “termite” day for comic shops: "That's the termites, man... I don't need that." (82:19, Brian Quinn)
• Self-Deprecation & Community Cynicism:
  • Walt debates whether to shave his thinning hair, Bryan jokes about internet cruelty, and the general unkindness of online fandoms.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bryan Johnson on Disney’s surprise:
  • “I thought Vicky was gonna pull down his red shorts and... have this big fucking pink pussy... but instead it was this throbbing fucking massive... boner filled with testosterone.” (21:09)
• Brian Quinn on his emotional investment:
  • "I love the character too much to gel with this version of it." (23:10)
  • "I have to cut myself in half to do this show. I tamped down on my personality... I would've been canceled 50 times over." (62:04)
• Community Positivity:
  • "It's just nice to feel positivity." (70:15, Tom King)
• Walt on Reddit critics:
  • “Post a picture of yourself along with it so we can all see what the fuck you look like!” (68:51)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |----------------------------------------------|-------------| | Disney Punisher Special (intro & overview) | 01:20–07:30 | | Violence, Sympathetic Portrayal | 07:30–14:00 | | Costume/Skull Debate & Manucci Adaptation | 18:00–32:00 | | Q’s “real” Punisher vs. Disney's | 10:00–13:54 | | Wedding Stories | 42:00–59:00 | | Faygo Armageddon anecdote | 58:13–60:11 | | Get 'Em's new look, positive Reddit feedback | 54:32–70:32 | | Serial killer museum critique | 72:19–78:15 |

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Tone

The episode is uncensored, irreverent, and laced with self-mockery, nostalgia, and comic-book nerd passion. Heated friendly debate and a mix of in-jokes and pop-culture references keep things lively, slightly surreal, and very TESD.

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Conclusion

Episode #676 of Tell 'Em Steve-Dave! offers a quintessential blend of spirited pop culture debates—anchored by the crew’s devotion to old-school comic book standards—alongside slice-of-life absurdity and offbeat community moments. Whether you're a Punisher purist or a fan of offbeat wedding recaps, there’s something here for every TESD ant.

Transcript

[Bryan Johnson]

Mickey pulling down his pants and having a major heart on instead of a vagina.

[Walt Flanagan]

Someday you'll be 58 and be like, I should have made fun of Johnson. Now look at me.

[Bryan Johnson]

Tell him Steve Dave.

[Walt Flanagan]

Hello and welcome to this week's edition of Tell them Steve Dave. We have Walt here.

[Bryan Johnson]

Hello.

[Walt Flanagan]

We got get him here. Are you stanking and via the Internet. The magic of the Internet is bq.

[Brian Quinn]

He's in where they're looking at you guys.

[Bryan Johnson]

He's in Shangri La. Where do they call his place? Where he lives again? Yeah, what I call it.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, I don't think anybody calls it that. Even.

[Brian Quinn]

I don't call it.

[Walt Flanagan]

So do you guys want to talk about the Punisher first or the wedding or what do you want? All kinds of stuff.

[Bryan Johnson]

Whatever you would like.

[Walt Flanagan]

You guys. I like the Spirited. I didn't see it, but I like the Spirited discussion of the Punisher.

[Bryan Johnson]

Kick it off with the Punisher.

[Walt Flanagan]

Sure.

[Bryan Johnson]

So, yeah, so the Disney released Punisher one last kill special this week. And after I watched it, I would have went all in. I would have pushed all the chips in the middle of the table. That BQ would be pleased with that rendition of the Punisher. But there's a little bit too much sobbing for BQs.

[Brian Quinn]

Like yeah, you would have, you would have lost that, but you would have lost everything. Like again, what I'd said just before we started was like, I like the casting. Even though if I don't necessarily love his take on the Punisher, I think he's key visually looks great. I love that Disney is even using the Punisher. You know what I mean?

[Bryan Johnson]

Which is shocking. You would think that they would want any, anything to do with the Punisher. Not even with a 10 foot pole. Would they touch the Punisher?

[Brian Quinn]

No. So. So, so I, you know, any Punisher is good Punisher. You know what I mean? I guess, in a way, but I just don't know why. I mean, look, I've. I've probably read. I don't know if I've, I've certainly read every Punisher story, including Cosmic Ghost Rider for the past 30 years. And I just don't remember him crying this much.

[Walt Flanagan]

Did he cry at all?

[Brian Quinn]

I don't, I can't recall an instance of the Punisher crying. I mean, I'm sure maybe he did here or there. I remember him, you know, mostly killing and being like a shark, just always moving forward, always taking care. A lot of crying in this Punisher and a lot of no skull until the very last. I Thought it should have started at the last scene, you know, when he was the Punisher. And also, like, I mean, they had to make these bad guys so evil. Like, there was zero gray area in this whatsoever. Like, if he kills a guy, you bet your ass you saw that guy actually kill a puppy earlier in the fucking show. And if, if. And if he. If he. If there was flashbacks to him killing people, you bet your ass that person he killed was a child molester. It's like there was no good gray area whatsoever. It just didn't. And, like, they brought in Manucci. Now, are you familiar. How familiar are you with that story?

[Bryan Johnson]

Pretty familiar. Yeah.

[Brian Quinn]

It's considered, I think, one of the greatest Punisher stories because there's a viciousness to it. There's a. There's a humor to it. There's a. There's a weirdness to it that is that. That I felt if you're going to tackle Man Nucci and the Nucci's, you got to. You got to infuse it with that. And instead we got Judith Light, who is the mother from who's the Boss?

[Walt Flanagan]

Who's the Boss. Yeah.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, I'm happy to see Judith Light.

[Bryan Johnson]

I thought that was the wife of the Sopranos.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, no, that's.

[Bryan Johnson]

Oh, okay. I thought that was the lady. They had that. And I was like, that's pretty funny that they got them the wife of the lady who was in the Sopranos to play Mob Lady. Wow. Okay, I. Wow. I was really off that. I knew I recognized her, but I was like, oh, I know. That is. That's Tony Soprano's wife.

[Tom King]

Angela.

[Brian Quinn]

Angela. And like, no humor, no weirdness, no anything. I was like, but why did you guys take Manucci out of the rotation and use her for this if, like, her one scene is her in a wheelchair, like, warning him in advance that she was going to kill him? I didn't. I just didn't get it. So, I don't know, I walked away being like, I wasn't completely satisfied by it.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, I had the opposite reaction to the show. I thought, look, if. If you're going to portray the Punisher on. On the small screen or on the big screen and tackle it, I think it's almost irresponsible for Disney to show how schizophrenic and how psychotic and how damaged a human being has to be to do that. So I thought that that layering of that character, having him be that haunted and emotionally unstable was. Was a. It was almost a responsible way to portray this guy. Who is, you know, a killing machine, because you don't want to glorify him in any way, shape, or form. Right.

[Brian Quinn]

I mean, here's where you and I disagree, my friend.

[Bryan Johnson]

But Disney cannot glorify the Punisher in this day and age after. After the way the character has kind of been hijacked a little bit by a political idea or stance. Right. I mean. I mean, there's no denying that has happened to that character.

[Brian Quinn]

Sure. But, like, it's been addressed. It's been addressed three times. It's been addressed in both series that he had on Netflix and in Daredevil. We got it. Like, what is the point of pulling out the character if that's the only drum you're gonna beat? Like, we got it. I got it. He's not a great guy. I. I shouldn't try and emulate the Punisher. I knew I wasn't gonna do it anyway. But, like.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, I don't know if they made him a great guy, but I think they made him a little bit more sympathetic, too, though, in the way that he is just unable to. He's on the fringes of sanity. And, I mean, I was shocked that they actually made him this sympathetic, though, because instead of just make. You know, and turning him into, like, you don't want to be this person. You know, you don't want. You don't want to, like, ever glorify what this person is doing with his. His pain and his loss.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, but who's gonna do that? This character has been around for 50 years. Nobody's gone out and started shooting people.

[Tom King]

Well, you don't.

[Bryan Johnson]

Okay, well, you don't want to. You don't want to put him on a pedestal, then.

[Walt Flanagan]

But doesn't he only kill, like, really bad guys?

[Bryan Johnson]

Yes.

[Walt Flanagan]

So why not, then?

[Bryan Johnson]

Because there is. There was definitely a Look, I mean, to deny that there is. There was an absolute response from Marvel to the Punisher being adopted by. Whatever. It's not realistic. You know, they did everything in their power to neuter him and not make him what he was because of who liked him.

[Brian Quinn]

Sure. But if you're gonna make Manucci and do that storyline, like, I don't read welcome Back, Frank, and be like, oh, Punisher's killing a bunch of good guys. Like, the new chiefs are scumbags. Like, they went so far, Brian, that, like, it wasn't enough. So Manucci tells him there's spoilers, but nothing really major. But, like, Manucci's like, hey, I'm releasing your address. I'm putting a Bounty on your head.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right?

[Brian Quinn]

And so, so everybody comes to this building that he lives in to get him. And it's not enough that these people, like, they can't just be like, people are trying to kill the Punisher, so he's killing him back. Like while they're looking him, looking for him. They have to beat the shit out of the little boy, try and rape his mom. Like, it's just like, it's like, like they're just like, here's. Let's make every single person that he kills as completely evil as possible.

[Walt Flanagan]

Everybody. Mustaches.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, what is it that you want him to kill? You want to kill guys who are on the fringe of not deserving? Like, no, I don't. Yeah. What is it that you're looking for in the. In his. In his kills? Like, what, What? Like, do you want them to be like, you know, like, oh, they robbed like a white collar crime does that is deserving of the punisher stabbing them in the jugular or, or crippling them? Yeah, but then that is. Yeah, that's a.

[Brian Quinn]

Okay, right, but let's take that out of it.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right?

[Brian Quinn]

I agree that, that like, they're not going to hear that, but like the new chief family was the fucking Italian Mafia. You're telling me you can't tee off on the. On like just have a mowing down scumbags in shark skin suits left and right.

[Bryan Johnson]

I think they showed that he did do that, though. They showed in flashbacks that that's all he was attacking. And to me, this, this sets up like, because he's looking. He wants to commit suicide in this. This. I thought this was an incred. And so like Disney fucking, like put Mickey in the fucking closet, put a thousand locks on it. And we're like, you're not getting out until this is after this is getting released. Because I cannot believe how bleak it was and how he was going to kill himself at his daughter's grave. He was going to shoot himself. And he keeps seeing hallucinations and by the. Again, spoilers for those who didn't see it. But by the end though, he realizes that he has a purpose now and that he's going to not just kill these guys in shark suits and the mob. Everybody's fair game now. Everybody. Anybody who fucks white collar. No, no, no.

[Walt Flanagan]

Just. Just bad games.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, you know what? Anybody. Anybody who fucks around, they find out. Yeah, they're gonna find out. That's what I got from it. That. I thought that was also insane because you just spent a Decade telling me, like, kind of distancing yourself from this attitude of the Punisher. And now you basically set up as like, all right, this is it. That's why I'm shocked that you didn't, like, embrace this. Because, like, okay. He's like, okay, I'm not going to kill myself. I'm just going to kill every scumbag that I fucking see.

[Brian Quinn]

Great. That should have been the first scene in the fucking for me.

[Bryan Johnson]

Okay?

[Brian Quinn]

I took that journey with this. With this version of this character, with this actor playing him. I've taken that journey with them three and a half times already. Like, I don't need him to reset to zero to learn that he wants to kill scumbags again. Like, scene one, he's in the suit, he's walking around alleyways, he's blown away scumbags. That, to me, is what I wanted.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, I think they set that up because that's the Punisher you're going to get from now on.

[Brian Quinn]

I don't. I don't have any faith in it.

[Bryan Johnson]

I was so convinced, I would have bet everything that at the end they were going to cop out, that Disney was going to be like, he's going to come to his senses and he's going to be like, okay, I'm going to take down perps, but I'm not gonna murder them. I'll take it to the fucking. As close as I can to the edge of death, but I will not kill them anymore. I really thought that's where we were heading. And I was like, holy fuck. He just. It's not. He's like, I'm still gonna kill him. I'm just gonna kill him in the name of, like, of victims.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

I'm not the only victim.

[Brian Quinn]

Which, again, like, to me, I would have even accepted that more than enough. Look, and kudos. You're dead right. The violence in it when he gets going is insane. It's like he's putting shotguns in people's faces and, like, blowing away. And, like, so. So I don't mean to say that they didn't fucking nail certain things of it, but, like, I didn't need the journey that you liked, Walt. I did not. Like, I'm like, I already wanted. I wanted the Punisher. We've already dealt with that over fucking so many years already. Like, give me the shark that moves forward. Give me the guy who is already accepted that. Because in the comics, that's not what he is. He's already like, I never should have had a family to begin with, he's like, this is what I do. This is what I always did. This is why I went to Vietnam. This is. This is why I went back to Vietnam three fucking times. Even though I had a wife and kid home, I volunteered to go back because this is who he always was, and he never should have had a family to begin with. Now you release that guy in the streets. Now he's going after the Russian child fucking traffickers. Now he's going after the new cheese. Now he's going after. You know, you don't want to have him go after angels like they did in Marvel Knights and shit like that, but, like, he's already fully formed. I. I don't fault anybody for looking at this and being like, oh, I love everything they got right. But to me, it's just. Still doesn't feel like the Punisher yet. It does not feel like the Punisher or my version of the Punisher, which is Garth Ennis's version of the Punisher.

[Walt Flanagan]

Are they just. Are they just. Since it's the first episode, are they just setting up for people who are unfamiliar with the Punisher?

[Brian Quinn]

There's only one episode. It's a special.

[Bryan Johnson]

I think it kind of leads into the new Spider man movie because he's going to be in it.

[Walt Flanagan]

Okay.

[Bryan Johnson]

So I think he's going to be. I imagine it'll be that again, that kind of tornado from Peter Parker will be having to be forced to work with a Punisher but not agree with his methods. You know, which every hero has that conflict when you're. When you kind of mosey on up and all of a sudden you find the Punisher is also involved in whatever situation you're involved in. You have to have that kind of like the wag, the finger, you know, I don't. You can't do this, Frank. You're not. You're no better than them, Frank. If you kill them, Frank, you know, I'm sure we'll get that from Spider man, but I don't think it's gonna stop. I really. Yeah, for me, this felt like a. Like this is. You're getting on the. Getting on the parkway now, and you're about to fly about 100 miles an hour. Oh, I think the Punisher is going to be just this killing machine that you're hoping to see.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, but he's.

[Walt Flanagan]

He's.

[Brian Quinn]

That on ramp has gone from the Daredevil second season to the two seasons of the Punisher, through another season of Daredevil through this. But, like, how long is this Fucking on ramp, man. Like, at what point do we get on and just start. It's been years of this guy. And again, I like the actor. I like his take on the Punisher when he's not fucking crying.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, don't you see that? Didn't you see the daughter, the little girl he saved in the restaurant? Don't you see that as the metaphor for, like, him realizing that, like, there's other daughters out there and I can. And I can help them. I could save them. He now. I think he now considers himself a hero now.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, but that's wrong for the Punisher too.

[Bryan Johnson]

But that. But I'm saying that the public or. Or the other characters.

[Brian Quinn]

But he doesn't consider himself a hero. He does. He never has.

[Bryan Johnson]

In the pun. I think in this version of, of the Punisher in the Disney mcu, I think Frank Castle will consider himself a necessary force to help people, not to become victims the way his family did. Almost a heroic way. He's gonna do a character.

[Brian Quinn]

It's a valid read. It's just not a read I want for the Punisher for me. You know what I mean?

[Bryan Johnson]

You want some cold, clinical.

[Brian Quinn]

Yes.

[Bryan Johnson]

Not unemotional robot.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, but he's not. Because even when he goes to Russia and he finds that little girl and he saves her, like, he fucking destroys everybody because she reminds him of his little girl, it's there. It's all there. It's just. And again, like, then the little girl, fucking bright, like, he goes into the fucking deli. He beats the shit out of these fucking guy, one after another.

[Bryan Johnson]

Oh, he kills you.

[Brian Quinn]

He kills him. And then this little girl comes up to him, who watched it all happen, who watched her father get beat to shit, who watched her father's delegate get trash, like, comes up to him with this big smile on his face and hands him a rose.

[Bryan Johnson]

Not a real rose, like a. Like a cardboard. Like a piece of construction paper she made in our class.

[Walt Flanagan]

Okay.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah. And she's like, she. With this big smile over her face. She's stepping over dead bodies to give him this rose. And I'm just like, come on, man.

[Bryan Johnson]

I agree with that. I agree with your. Your level of like, come on. But I'm surprised that the fact, like, only 10 seconds earlier, he literally stabbed that guy in the face 17 times. Okay. I could. I could take that little bit of corniness.

[Brian Quinn]

You're right.

[Bryan Johnson]

To kind of play and show the audience the what clicks, I think, in Frank Castle's brain when she hands him that. Only again, only seconds earlier. He was exactly what Q was looking for right now.

[Walt Flanagan]

The Punisher kill her father or her relatives.

[Bryan Johnson]

He saved her. He saved the whole family because.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, saved her family. And killed the bad guys.

[Bryan Johnson]

And killed all the bad guys. Okay, yeah. Like her father owned the restaurant.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, all right, all right.

[Bryan Johnson]

And he's being attacked by a group of thugs and everything. And all of a sudden some guy comes in and Punisher literally stabs him in the face 17 times.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

And Q's like, this sucks.

[Walt Flanagan]

It's not violent enough.

[Bryan Johnson]

It's not.

[Brian Quinn]

I tell you what, it's not.

[Bryan Johnson]

Because he's sensitized. I think, bro.

[Brian Quinn]

The whole neighborhood's trying to kill him, right? The whole neighborhood. And the cops can't get in the neighborhood. There's burnt cops, cars on the street, and the whole neighborhood. He beats the shit out of this one guy. He stabs him in the face 17 times. And then for some reason which is never explained, the entire neighborhood just stops

[Bryan Johnson]

hunting him because he stops dead.

[Brian Quinn]

They're not all dead. They're running around the background.

[Bryan Johnson]

I don't think.

[Brian Quinn]

I think that.

[Bryan Johnson]

I think a lot of what's going on, all that rioting in the background is not. Is people who don't know what's going on and taking advantage of it. That's why there. There's only a certain number of assassins or guys who know what the hell is going on. But I think the whole neighborhood is so ready to explode into lawlessness anyway, as I show earlier, that as soon as they see all this fucking crazy, chaotic violence going on, they're just like whipped up into a frenzy and partake in it as well.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, but it doesn't track because then why were those guys attacking the diner? They were just looting.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yes.

[Brian Quinn]

Okay, so what about all the other stores that were getting looted? Punisher just walked right past them. Just go to the diner. Bullet for anybody.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, you don't know in the aftermath, because it's a couple of days later or seemingly it feels like time has passed where he shows up now and he's got the skull on and he. And he kills people now who treat. Who commit crimes or victimize people. I think that's what he's going to be looking for. If you victimize somebody, you're toast.

[Brian Quinn]

I love it. I can't wait to watch that. I would love if they had replaced every scene where he had tears in his eyes with him fucking going after someone and killing someone for fucking around. But again, I. Kudos to Disney for the violence, for even using the Punisher character. I like the actor. I like, I like when he is the Punisher. I like the pun. Let me ask you something. That, that, that, that like 10 minute action sequence where he was like kicking ass through the building. Wouldn't it have been better if he was in a fucking Punisher shirt instead of a hoodie?

[Bryan Johnson]

It's how weird how we think similar because I thought that too.

[Walt Flanagan]

He's dressed up like a normal guy.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, he's just in his normal civic because he's being attacked. But I really thought to myself, I thought that for a second and then I realized like, wow, he's really the only character that I can abide by and accept not wearing that costume and still and never feel like I'm missing something because he's not wearing that skull outfit.

[Brian Quinn]

But how cool is it when they showed him in the outfit later on?

[Bryan Johnson]

To me, I would like to me like the fact that Disney was like, we're going to give you the Punisher that everybody wants. Even though for the last five to six years we told you that's not the Punisher anyone deserves. Like fucking Mickey pulled down his pants and having a fucking major heart on instead of a fucking vagina. Right. Like, I thought for sure he was gonna be like, I vowed never to kill again. That's what I thought was gonna happen, son. I thought Vicky was gonna pull that on his red shorts and he's gonna have this big fucking pink pussy and like this is the Punisher you get. But instead it was this throbbing fucking massive fucking hairy covered boner filled with testosterone.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, it's like leaking. It's precom.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, you're right. You're right about that. I have no argument there. I was impressed violence. I was impressed that they're even using Punisher. I just, I just think if you're going to touch Manucci and that storyline, just do this.

[Bryan Johnson]

You thought you felt it deserved to be fleshed out more, her storyline.

[Brian Quinn]

I think that should have been it. Like, I don't need him crying. I just don't need him crying in a room for 20 minutes. I just didn't, didn't want it, didn't need.

[Bryan Johnson]

Was disturbing at times of just how like on the, like just on how on edge he was with reality and everything Is such a. It is such a, like a sobering first half of a show though.

[Brian Quinn]

I would rather they make Franken Castle than give me what they gave me. You understand?

[Bryan Johnson]

Wow, what a take.

[Brian Quinn]

So much of him was in the fucking room by himself crying while ghosts yelled at him. I'm like, what is this? What am I watching this?

[Walt Flanagan]

I'm watching this. I'm getting pulled up. The scene of him getting stabbed in the face 17 times. It's pretty violent. Yeah, it's pretty.

[Bryan Johnson]

That's why I was like. I thought for sure, like that, like, like Q would have. I would have thought I heard the woo from Staten island from my house, and I didn't hear it. And I was like, now I know why I didn't hear it. I was sitting on my porch going like, man, I can't believe that I haven't heard that.

[Walt Flanagan]

I guess Q didn't like it.

[Brian Quinn]

He's just, he's. I love the character too much to twigs to gel with this version of it.

[Bryan Johnson]

Okay.

[Brian Quinn]

Is my thing.

[Walt Flanagan]

All right.

[Brian Quinn]

But. But I. But it's not one of those things where I'm just like, you fucking idiot for liking it. And that's not the point. I'm just saying I love what. I love that they made it. I love. They did it. I love all the violence. I love all of it. I'm just. It's just my version of the Punisher isn't that bad.

[Walt Flanagan]

Punisher.

[Bryan Johnson]

You know what? You know what I would wish he would do instead of where even over wearing the skull? I wish he'd shave.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah. I thought he was gonna shave in the end when he came out.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah. Like, I don't like. I don't know if I like the Punisher with a full grown beard.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. He's clean shaven, Right. Or like a five o' clock show.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

Clean shaven or grizzled.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right?

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah. He's a Marine. He keeps himself in fighting shape.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. I'm watching it. Looks like a mountain man.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah. And again, I think he's a great actor for it. I love him in the role. Like, visually, he's fucking in the end shot when he's got the gun and he's staring down at you like, and he's got that. And they made the skull so blazing white. I was like, that is fucking awesome. Now start the show. Yeah. Is where I landed on it. But I don't. I don't fault anybody for liking it. I get why people, white people are into it.

[Bryan Johnson]

Has it been well received?

[Tom King]

I don't know.

[Brian Quinn]

I only watched it last night.

[Bryan Johnson]

Okay.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, maybe you'll get what you're looking for in the Spider man movie.

[Brian Quinn]

I doubt it.

[Bryan Johnson]

You're so cynical.

[Brian Quinn]

It's like they're not gonna have him blown away, fools. Like, he's definitely using bean bags or whatever shit in this.

[Bryan Johnson]

Like, oh, well, it sounds like what you want is like again, what you want him to be blowing away

[Walt Flanagan]

like shoplifter, eh?

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, you stole a can of soup.

[Walt Flanagan]

Hungry, are you?

[Brian Quinn]

There's a great, there's a great scene right in the comics. There's a great scenery where somebody tips him off to the. Some, some low level scumbag tips him off to a drug deal going, a major drug deal. And he goes to the fucking drug deal and he blows everybody away, kills all the drug dealers, right? And there's a pile of fucking heroin on the table. And he tells the guy that gave him the tip, like, I'm gonna fucking, you know that, you know, he didn't say thanks for the tip, but he's like, you got it. Like, get out of here, punk. And he leaves, right? Punisher leaves and then the scumbag comes back and he looks at all the drugs and he picks up his phone and he's like, I got a line of some heroin. We're about to be rich. And the Punisher's fucking hands just come out of the darkness and snap the guy's fucking neck and kill him. That's the shit I want.

[Walt Flanagan]

He haven't. Hasn't even committed the crime yet.

[Brian Quinn]

No, he. He told the guy, get the fuck out of here, I'll let you live. And the guy came back, right? To be like, I'm going to sell the drugs and punish him. That's the shit I want. We're not getting that shit.

[Walt Flanagan]

Preemptive strike.

[Brian Quinn]

Or there's a scene in fucking where, where this, this little fucking guy beats the piss. I mean, beats the fucking piss out of his face is all lumped up. This isn't Garth Ennis's run. His, his legs are broken, he's all fucked up. And then the, the guy that just beat the shit out of him smacks a little girl. Punisher just gets up, fucking bloody broken bones and just beats the shit out of the guy that was like, just, just housed him fully for 10 minutes. I'm like, that's the Punisher I want. That's the Punisher I want. I never felt like this guy was that guy.

[Bryan Johnson]

I think emotionally though, that like you, you physically beaten up in the comic book. But I believe the. He was emotionally tortured in the Disney show, right? And he, and he dragged himself up at the end to become in his eyes now the, the victims. Heroes. Victim.

[Brian Quinn]

Okay, so we have two paths to the same ending, right?

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah.

[Brian Quinn]

And one of them involves an awesome fight against some little guy who's fucking kicking the shit out of him. And you think he's gonna get. The other involves him crying in his room for about 25 minutes before he goes to his daughter's grave. I'm just saying, like, what journey do we want to take to him being the Punisher? That's all I'm saying. But again, I love that they made it. I loved watching it. I love the violence. I love that actor in the role. So, you know, I'm just kind of, you know.

[Bryan Johnson]

Did you watch the new Precious about it?

[Brian Quinn]

I watched the first few episodes and I am going to finish it. I just haven't finished it yet.

[Bryan Johnson]

Okay.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, yeah. You know, it's fine.

[Bryan Johnson]

It doesn't sound fine.

[Walt Flanagan]

Doesn't sound fine at all.

[Brian Quinn]

It's fine.

[Tom King]

Is everything okay, honey? It's fine.

[Brian Quinn]

It's fine. It's fine.

[Walt Flanagan]

No, I feel bad for the people who can't see Q's expression.

[Brian Quinn]

Oh, it's good. It's good. I like Daredevil. I do like Daredevil. I do like Daredevil. But, like, even the Punisher series, like, remember the second season when he had, like, a teenage girl? That was his sidekick I ever saw. Yeah. All right, so the Punisher is one of my favorite characters all time, and I didn't even finish a series because they. They teamed him up with a teenage girl running around, and she's helping him solve crimes.

[Bryan Johnson]

I think that was an era where they were like, you. Like, there was, like, a mandate. You can't have the Punisher be the Punisher.

[Brian Quinn]

You're right.

[Bryan Johnson]

You know, so. But I think that that fucking mandate has gone away in a dodo bird. If she feels like to me anyway.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, he does stab that guy 17 times.

[Walt Flanagan]

You are.

[Brian Quinn]

You are.

[Walt Flanagan]

You're right.

[Brian Quinn]

You're right. I'm not. I'm being overly emotional about it.

[Bryan Johnson]

I think it's okay.

[Brian Quinn]

How do you feel about his growling?

[Walt Flanagan]

Uh,

[Bryan Johnson]

it didn't bother me at all. Yeah, you. It bothered you.

[Brian Quinn]

It didn't bother me, but it was. It was. It was really noticeable to me a lot in this.

[Walt Flanagan]

When does he growl? Like, when he's killing people?

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, he's, like,

[Bryan Johnson]

just making these guttural noises.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

Which.

[Brian Quinn]

Which I don't mind.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Quinn]

I'm. I'm just. And then what about that scene where he falls off the roof and it looks like it was fucking the worst CGI I've ever seen.

[Bryan Johnson]

I. When he landed on top of, like, the air Compressor. Whatever the fucking thing was, it didn't bother me.

[Brian Quinn]

Hey, get him. Could you pull that? Let's see if you can find that.

[Tom King]

I had just seen it the other day, too.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, that didn't. I did not notice anything out of the ordinary. Sounds like you were. This may be why Q wasn't at the wedding. He was so upset by the Punisher, he couldn't make it out to wedding.

[Walt Flanagan]

I think that I've considered several different possibilities, never thinking that would have been one of them. Here we go. Okay. Okay. Let's see. So,

[Bryan Johnson]

yeah, to me, that doesn't look bad at all.

[Tom King]

They should have, like, cut it, like, a half second earlier.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. Like before, he's, like, floundering around on his back, kicking and stuff.

[Tom King]

Yeah.

[Walt Flanagan]

Otherwise it doesn't look too bad.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, all right, all right.

[Brian Quinn]

Like I said, I'm just being nitpicky because.

[Bryan Johnson]

Because it's your. It's your guy.

[Brian Quinn]

He's one of my guys. Yeah, he's one of my guys. And Manucci, for anybody that's listening to this that doesn't know, just go read. Welcome back, Frank. It's. It's. She is fucking awesome character. And in this, she was like. She's just an old broad in a wheelchair, man.

[Tom King]

Played by Judith Light.

[Brian Quinn]

Yes. What's up?

[Tom King]

Okay, I'll say.

[Walt Flanagan]

Played by Judith Light.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, played by. Which. I don't mind. Judas Light actually isn't bad casting for it, but it's like she just sat there and yelled at him. He didn't punch a polar bear, Walt. In the Marnucci storyline, he punches a fucking polar bear just to piss it off so it kills a bunch of fucking Italian grease balls. Give me that chip.

[Bryan Johnson]

I just don't know if that would have, like, the atmosphere and the tone. I just don't know if you could introduce a taller bear into that fucking episode and not have people go like, what the fuck is going on?

[Walt Flanagan]

Just to punch him.

[Brian Quinn]

He falls into the enclosure at the fucking Central Park Zoo until the polar bear enclosures and all these Italian mobsters come after him and he just fucking decides to whack a polar bear in the face to piss it off. And then the polar bear tears all the gangsters apart. It's, like, fucking awesome, man. But, yeah, I don't know. Some people listening are going to agree with me. Some people will not agree with me. And that's all.

[Tom King]

A little bit of spit coming out of the polar bear's mouth.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. Give the polar bear a good smack.

[Brian Quinn]

I don't know I don't know. I don't know. But he's got the battle van and Spider Man. I'm happy about that.

[Bryan Johnson]

That's cool. I didn't know that, but yeah, that's good to hear.

[Brian Quinn]

In the trailer.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah.

[Brian Quinn]

He's driving it and Spider man lands on the dashboard of it. I mean, anyway, so I liked it. I didn't love it, let's put it that way.

[Walt Flanagan]

So anyway, factor.

[Tom King]

Yeah.

[Brian Quinn]

I'm not passionate about anything in my life. Like I am about 30 year old comic books and that might be a problem.

[Walt Flanagan]

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[Bryan Johnson]

Did you say the word hunger strike?

[Walt Flanagan]

Hunger strikes. Oh, okay.

[Bryan Johnson]

Why would factor want to be associated with a hunger strike?

[Tom King]

What are you on a hunger strike at home about? I'm protesting, Mary Beth.

[Walt Flanagan]

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[Bryan Johnson]

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[Tom King]

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[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. If you got the high protein. Yeah. You can grow some muscles and shit

[Bryan Johnson]

without having to fucking lift any weights.

[Walt Flanagan]

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[Bryan Johnson]

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[Walt Flanagan]

I mean, it's silk Baby Brian Silk Johnson is what they call me. He does a silky smooth stumbling over every fucking word. Wait, that doesn't say organic. It says functional. All right, whatever.

[Bryan Johnson]

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[Walt Flanagan]

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[Tom King]

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[Brian Quinn]

Yes.

[Walt Flanagan]

What's that?

[Tom King]

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[Walt Flanagan]

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[Bryan Johnson]

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[Walt Flanagan]

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[Bryan Johnson]

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[Walt Flanagan]

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[Bryan Johnson]

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[Walt Flanagan]

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[Bryan Johnson]

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[Walt Flanagan]

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[Tom King]

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[Walt Flanagan]

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[Tom King]

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[Walt Flanagan]

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[Tom King]

Was he yelling at you to build a power bank?

[Walt Flanagan]

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[Tom King]

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[Bryan Johnson]

It looks like my old ipod, doesn't it?

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, it does. Yeah. Definitely does. Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

In the dark, I reached for it.

[Walt Flanagan]

Why my ipod working?

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, it's like my ipod's broke.

[Walt Flanagan]

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[Bryan Johnson]

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[Tom King]

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[Walt Flanagan]

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[Bryan Johnson]

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[Tom King]

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[Bryan Johnson]

I did use the code, yes. Come on. Only a fool wouldn't use the code.

[Walt Flanagan]

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[Brian Quinn]

Hold on. I want to jump back to Daredevil for just one thing because I was thinking about this while you were talking about it and like, this is the difference between Daredevil and the punishment. This is why when I'm like, it's fine. I literally mean it, Walt. Like the. When I watch the first season, the new Daredevil and he's not even in the suit for half the series. I like Daredevil. I'm not. I don't. I don't feel about Daredevil the way that I feel about Punisher. So I'm able to watch that series and be like, yeah, I love it. It's great. Charlie Cox is great. The show's great. The fight scenes are great. I don't compare it. I don't have something in my heart that I'm comparing it to. You know what I mean?

[Bryan Johnson]

Right? What's your. So you have. Don't have as much affection for that character as much as the Punisher, So you're able to digest a different version. Then it's not offensive to your what you believe the character should be.

[Brian Quinn]

Right? That's it. So I could roll with anything. And even with the Punisher, like, I could roll with Cosmic Ghost Rider, can roll with Frankencastle. You know what I mean? Like, I can roll with these things because, like, even though I love the character, I'm like, look, it's comics. Let's do goofy shit like this from time to time. I love it. But. So that's why with Daredevil, I'm like, nah, I like the show. It's fine. Because I don't have that deep emotional attachment.

[Bryan Johnson]

Is not. They are as strong as it is for Frank Castle.

[Brian Quinn]

Correct. Right, Right.

[Bryan Johnson]

I think that's. That's for me, like when Superman came out and. And I didn't really like it, but I wasn't like the last Superman. I forget what it was called was. It was. Didn't have a subtitle.

[Brian Quinn]

It wasn't man of Steel. It was. That wasn't just. Wasn't just. I don't remember.

[Tom King]

Yeah, it's just Superman.

[Bryan Johnson]

It's just Superman. Yeah. I got. Since I I don't have this real strong super emotional attachment. It doesn't bother me that I. That. That it sucks, you know, I'm just like, yeah, whatever.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, yeah, I understand. That's what I was thinking about while we were shilling factor.

[Walt Flanagan]

Okay. You gotta keep your mind on these sponsors, dude.

[Brian Quinn]

I know.

[Walt Flanagan]

Gotta think about factor.

[Brian Quinn]

You're right.

[Tom King]

You're right. That's all I think about.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. Yeah. So, very big weekend last week. The Jimmy and Michelle wedding.

[Brian Quinn]

Yes.

[Walt Flanagan]

Q. You couldn't attend? You had other obligations.

[Brian Quinn]

I was in Los Angeles.

[Walt Flanagan]

Walt. You eventually showed up.

[Bryan Johnson]

I did.

[Tom King]

And Teddy.

[Walt Flanagan]

And Teddy. Yeah. Let me just real quick. Like, I thought that when Walt got there, he showed up around like 8 o' clock or so. Yeah, about 8 o'. Clock. I thought Walt was going to be the big hit. Like, holy shit. He actually came, which there was some of that. But the biggest hit was. I mean, people could not leave Teddy alone.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, Teddy was getting really weirded out at a certain point.

[Walt Flanagan]

So much attention paid to him. There was one kid who was like, he would not leave him the fuck alone. He was like, teddy, Teddy, Teddy, Teddy.

[Bryan Johnson]

I guess if you're a kid at a wedding is so boring.

[Walt Flanagan]

You're just a dog.

[Bryan Johnson]

Introduction of a dog is just like, oh, my God. Thank God. Something.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, something happened. A dog showed up. Yeah. So. So we, we got there. Me and Marybeth got there. We had an Airbnb with Frank and Mary, 5 and Troy, which was really nice. It was. Those people are really fun to hang around with. I. I love Frank and Mary, obviously. I love Troy, too, but, like, they're. I can see why you want to go on trips with them.

[Bryan Johnson]

They're very easy going.

[Walt Flanagan]

Very easy going. Very fun. They're funny. Like, hanging around with them.

[Bryan Johnson]

They're good, good people.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, they're great. Love them. Let's see. Frank didn't bring a jacket or an umbrella. Or an umbrella.

[Bryan Johnson]

I thought he was wearing a jacket when I got there, though.

[Walt Flanagan]

He was, but he had to go to Walmart and buy it. And he bought the thinnest, cheapest possible jacket. And it's like. It's like 45 fucking degrees out.

[Bryan Johnson]

That's Frank. I mean, he gets annoyed when I, when I. When I throw a little jabs at. He's cheap, but. Oh, yeah, every time, Every time when he steps up, it seems like, yeah, he goes to the cheap route.

[Walt Flanagan]

It's like it rained and you could see his nipples through it. There was a caterer who, like, he was. He was the guy he cooked like the. You didn't see it, Walt, but he cooked this giant pig. I mean, you saw it get him, right? I mean, the thing was like, what, £400 or something? It was huge.

[Tom King]

Yeah, it was big pig.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, it was huge. And we walked by and Mary Beth goes, oh, I don't want to. I don't want to look at that. And he heard it was at the

[Bryan Johnson]

head on it still.

[Walt Flanagan]

Head was on it still. She mentioned that she didn't want to see it. This guy went full bore. No. No pun intended. Full bore into like. You want to hear about pigs? Well, first he was like, every woman that walked by, he would, like, you want to see my hog? Evidently, this is. I know Jimmy's going to be upset because this is a very good buddy of his.

[Bryan Johnson]

Okay?

[Walt Flanagan]

But this guy was a fucking moron. He really was. You liked him, too?

[Tom King]

I wrote that line down. I added to my repertoire.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, did you? You want to see my hog? Well, you have to have a pig next to you in order to do it.

[Brian Quinn]

Get him. Please don't add that to your repertoire.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, I think that's a bad idea. But he launches into this, like, anti pig diet tribe where, like, pigs are bad. If you. If you put a hand near them, they'll eat it. If you put your foot near them, they'll eat it.

[Tom King]

They're.

[Walt Flanagan]

They're horrible creatures. No, all I've heard about pigs is that they're smart.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah. They can cry.

[Tom King]

We saw pigs and cry.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, yeah, I saw babe. Yeah. Babe in the city.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah. Stick a Punisher fucking shirt on that pig if he's gonna cry.

[Walt Flanagan]

But this guy. And you missed this too, Walt, before. Or at the sort of. Like at the end of dinner, but before the cake showed up, he goes into this full on, like, hey, everybody, listen to me. Like, in front of everyone, like, the

[Tom King]

whole center of the tent.

[Walt Flanagan]

The center of the tent in the reception, he start. He goes into the same thing, the same speech about how pigs are awful and how they will.

[Bryan Johnson]

Was there a lot of people who maybe. Did he feel that the people weren't enjoying the pig?

[Tom King]

It was delicious.

[Walt Flanagan]

I didn't get that feeling.

[Bryan Johnson]

Like, was it a lot of the pig left at the end of the night?

[Walt Flanagan]

Well, he did complain that people were eating too much shrimp and not enough pork.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, there you go.

[Walt Flanagan]

That was one of his beef.

[Tom King]

I didn't see shrimp.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, it was like little shrimp for the tacos.

[Tom King]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. To put them on the tacos. But I guess people were taking the shrimp instead of the pork and that. That seemed to set them off. And I mean, I wish. Did you. You didn't happen to record it? Because I didn't know he was going to go into this.

[Tom King]

No.

[Walt Flanagan]

So I didn't record it.

[Tom King]

I saw, like, one picture of it, and I'm not sure where it was,

[Walt Flanagan]

but holy shit, man. Like, if I was Jimmy, I would have been like, like, all right, guy. All right, let's. Let's move on with the. With the reception. Like, enough with the anti pig shit. Enough with the fucking. Like, pigs will eat your hands. Enough with.

[Bryan Johnson]

Let's see. Trying to rally people to be like, I fucking hate pigs. Let me go fucking eat that motherfucker.

[Walt Flanagan]

It really seemed that way. Yeah. Like, you didn't eat enough pork.

[Bryan Johnson]

Like, let's fucking think, like, villainizing the pig would have made people want to eat it more.

[Walt Flanagan]

You know what? That's not a fucking angle that I would have considered, but it sounds smart to me.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, fuck these pigs. Give me a taco.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, exactly. I could not believe it. Like, the dude had definitely had main character syndrome. To quote a recent, like, thing that

[Tom King]

people appreciate his, like, dedicating the head of the pig to the. To the bridal couple.

[Walt Flanagan]

I'm sure that that was something they were into, Jimmy and Michelle, but no.

[Tom King]

Okay.

[Walt Flanagan]

Like, I think for most people, it's horrifying for him to be holding up a pig head and being like, this is for you guys.

[Tom King]

It is the most delicious part of the pig, though.

[Walt Flanagan]

He carried it over to them. Yeah. Like, that's what barbacoa is made out of. Right. Like the skin, the cheek of a pig, evidently the most tender part of the animal. And he carries this, the fucking head of the pig, up to the. In front of everybody, to the couple, and then just, you know, tells them that the skin of the cheek is the most tender part. And, like, did he cut it off right then and there? I. I couldn't see from where we were sitting.

[Tom King]

I'm not sure. He was definitely. I just sent you guys the picture. It's the. It was on a platter, like a specially made platter that he put right in front of the bride and groom, right on their table.

[Walt Flanagan]

But to me, the funniest thing about this main character guy was that I found out afterwards that I guess he didn't have people to help him, like, prep food and wash dishes. Like, he didn't bring anybody with him. So Justin, Kyle and the wannabes are pressed into service, like, literally all day Saturday. Justin Kyle is prepping food, chopping up salads, making, you know, chopping up the pork, I guess, washing dishes. Like, he sent me a picture on Sunday morning. He's like. He's like, final stretch or something like that. It's a sink full of pots that has to wash. I'm like, what a great guy.

[Bryan Johnson]

I was going to say, that is admirable as hell.

[Tom King]

Ambassador.

[Walt Flanagan]

I guess so. Yeah. Even had his ambassador patch on.

[Bryan Johnson]

That is like, so, like, he. How did he. How did he. How did the caterer know to ask him, though?

[Walt Flanagan]

I don't know. I must. Maybe he asked Jimmy, and Jimmy was like, hey, these guys are here. They'll probably help you.

[Bryan Johnson]

Oh, you know, I would have liked to get in that kitchen and do some.

[Walt Flanagan]

Do some pot washing.

[Bryan Johnson]

Pot washing, you know, like this way, like, I don't have to have that awkward feeling as people come up to me and like, oh, hi.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right. Hello. It's just you and your pots.

[Bryan Johnson]

So Jimmy's married, huh? This is great.

[Walt Flanagan]

Doesn't Michelle look beautiful?

[Bryan Johnson]

What time is it? Oh, only three hours to go. Like, as I talk, like a robot.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right. But you know what? Like, thinking about it now, like, if I was at your wedding and you're like, dude, man, like, the guy fucked up. There's not enough people to wash pots. Can you help me out 100%? I'd be in that kitchen washing pots, you know? So I guess maybe he and Jimmy are better friends than I was aware of. But, like, this guy really should have brought more people with him instead of just him. Like, he should have predicted that.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, shit happened. So.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, I guess so. Teddy was a big hit. What else? I got here. Michelle gave me at the end of the wedding. She gave me a big hug, and her strap popped on her dress, and her heaving bosom nearly presented itself to me. But remembering that she was a married woman, I carefully averted my gaze. Oh, I was proud of myself.

[Bryan Johnson]

Gentlemen. What a gentleman. To mention it on a podcast.

[Walt Flanagan]

I just want everybody to know what a great guy I am.

[Brian Quinn]

I thought it was Prima Nocturne for a second.

[Walt Flanagan]

Let's see, what else do we got? Gidem's new look, which was really weird.

[Bryan Johnson]

What did you think of Gideum's new hairdo?

[Tom King]

You can't really see it.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, you didn't see it?

[Brian Quinn]

I don't. I didn't hold someone. Jimmy sent me a picture from the wedding. Let me look of the gru. He sent me a group shot.

[Bryan Johnson]

You can look up now. Look at your screen.

[Brian Quinn]

Okay. Oh, you buzzed the head, huh?

[Tom King]

Yeah.

[Brian Quinn]

Fuck yeah, man. Looks alright. Oh, I see the monk thing. Oh yeah. Oh, you look good.

[Walt Flanagan]

This is from, this is a character from deep space.

[Tom King]

Character from the Next Generation.

[Walt Flanagan]

Next Generation.

[Tom King]

Q brings them to Sherwood Forest and they make. Dana becomes Friar Tuck.

[Bryan Johnson]

So, so no kidding, Q. So I had my grandson's first birthday party the afternoon of the wedding. So I, when that wrapped up, I was able to drive up to the wedding. So they were well into the wedding by the time I got there. And as you know, there were requests for people to come in, not costumes. What you call.

[Tom King]

She said embrace whimsy.

[Bryan Johnson]

Embrace whimsy. And people were dressed as characters from movies. And like Jimmy was the joker for the Nicholson Joker.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, they had like one guy was dressed as Swear engine. One guy was dressed as Beetlejuice.

[Tom King]

One guy was dressed as Jimmy.

[Walt Flanagan]

One guy was dressed as Jimmy. Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

So I came as the Baron.

[Brian Quinn]

Oh, really? That's fucking cool.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, me and Teddy. Teddy was not in costume. But me and Teddy get out of the car within the first minutes of me walking in there. I'm looking around, I'm seeing some people dressed up and oh, I, I, I'm talking to, I think it was Rupper Chuck. I don't know who it was I was talking to or maybe it was Frank. And I look over and I'm like, wow, look at some of these costumes. And I see some guy, he looks like a druid. Like he's got the long robe on and he, he looks like Friar Tuck or whatever, but his face is all like all white and everything. And I go. And I said to, I said to the guys, I'm like, who the fuck is that guy? What's he supposed to be? And they look at me with this face on. They're like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, like, who is that guy? They're like, let's fucking get him. And I was like, what? I go, he looked so sick and fucking ill.

[Walt Flanagan]

Weren't you know what I noticed? His face is all white. His eyes looked like two little dark coals. Like they were so small.

[Tom King]

I can't do contact lenses, otherwise I would have done.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, I was absolutely blown away. And I was like, that's get him. I had to hear the voice come out of the fucking person to finally be like, to have my brain like, settle on. Oh, yeah, it is. Get him.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right.

[Brian Quinn]

I'm looking at him right now. I'm seeing him, I'm seeing Chuck as Mr. Moneybags. I guess.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah. Walt here breaking into the show for a very special announcement. It is with great anticipation and excitement to reveal that in the June, July and August cycle of the TESD Patreon for the select few who are in the Bullet, Bulldog and Adamant tears, you will be receiving your very own limited Sunday Jeff in action figure. That's right. These aren't some overproduced by the millions cheap ass baby Yoda figures that'll be clogging up the store shelves all summer. This is a sleek, regal old man figure like the ones Jeff used to collect when he was a kid, when toys were toys and men were men. So if you want your very own Sunday Jeff in action figure, you must join the TSD Patreon in at least the Bullet tier in May. You must join before June 1st and stay through the month of July. And then in July, you'll be sent your very own Sunday Jeff in action figure. All right, back to the show. But real quick, if you haven't received your Baron Von Flanagan in an action figure, please contact k m e w e s2k muse2mail.com and I'll look into it for you. All right. Okay, back to the show.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, get him. Like, how did it feel to shave the head? Are you gonna stick with it?

[Tom King]

I'm not sure. It's, it's, it's, it's weird. It's like feeling the, you feel, you feel like the breeze more and everything.

[Bryan Johnson]

Who was Tommy Lincoln supposed to be again?

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, Tim Curry from the Worst Witch.

[Tom King]

From the word, the worst, the grand, the Grand Wizard.

[Bryan Johnson]

I felt so horrible. He came over to me and he shook my hand and he goes. And he, like, kind of like presented himself, like, what do you think? And I was like. And I was like, oh, dude, you fucking, you're rocking that. You look just like that guy from Sailor Moon. I said. And he said. And he didn't, like, he didn't laugh or anything goes. Yeah, yeah. And so I, I, he looks just like the guy from Sailor Moon. Sailor Moon, the male character. I don't know what his name is.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, I thought you meant Sailor Moon herself. A lot of gay guys, like, dressing up like Sailor Moon. A lot of overweight gay guys, to be specific.

[Bryan Johnson]

No, there's a dude who wears a tuxedo in Sailor Moon. I don't know who he is, but I thought that's who. And that would have been the era of the guys who may have been into Sailor Moon, right?

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

Would have been Tommy Lincoln's age. And then I Felt so bad when he was like, no, no, I'm not. I'm not the guy from Sailor Moon. I think I offended him.

[Walt Flanagan]

Really?

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

I felt bad.

[Tom King]

Tuxedo mask?

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah. That's the iPhone. Yeah. Pull up a picture of a tuxedo mask. No. Am I wrong?

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Tom King]

Like, he's just wearing a tuxedo and a cape.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, that's it. He looks like Tommy Lincoln.

[Tom King]

Tommy had the. You know, the bat around his neck and everything.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, I could have. I would have bet.

[Walt Flanagan]

I could see why you'd make the mistake.

[Bryan Johnson]

I lost a lot of bets this weekend. I would have went all in on Q, like in the Punisher. I went all in on fucking Tommy Lincoln was the dude from Sailor Moon. And that weird pale ass druid was not. Get him

[Tom King]

pastels and Tim Curry.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah. I don't know. But it was good. I did the. So Bry, Frank, Troy, they want. They got. They blew out of there, man. They. They didn't see the end of the party.

[Walt Flanagan]

Too cold. It's like 45 degrees out. It had just got done raining. The whole place is muddy. We've been there for, what, six hours at this point? I was like, yeah, I think I'm done. I think I'm done wearing a suit jacket.

[Tom King]

All I'm wearing is a one layer of a monk.

[Walt Flanagan]

A monk's robe. What was hysterical, that really cracked me up was like, walt shows up, you know, and we hung around for a little while and then we said, you know, our goodbyes to Walt. And the next morning, it's early. It's real early. And Frank goes to me, he's like, are you gonna go to the brunch? And I said, no, I don't think we're gonna. I think gonna. We're gonna skip the brunch. He's like, really? Because Walt's going. I was like, what? He goes, yeah, he stayed over last night. And I'm like, what? And he goes, yeah, he said that he wanted to go to the brunch, so he stayed for the Faygo Armageddon. And then he and Teddy were staying overnight, and then he was going to the brunch the next morning. And I was like, so you think that Walt Flanagan, after all his friends left, is hanging around for hours afterwards to see the Faygo Armageddon? And not only. Not only that, a guy who's on record is saying he hates sleeping anywhere but his own bed is going to the brunch. And he's like, let me text him. He woke me up 7 o' clock

[Bryan Johnson]

in the morning because I text. He asked. I got home. When I was driving home from the wedding, I got home and Frank asked how it was. And I was just being like. I was just doing a joke. It was like, it was so awesome. I decided to stay for brunch. I'm sleeping in one of the cabins. I wrote, assuming that there's no way on the planet that he thought I was serious.

[Walt Flanagan]

100%. He's such an innocent, like, oh, poor you, Frank.

[Brian Quinn]

Well, Jimmy. Jimmy told me that you took part in the Faygo.

[Bryan Johnson]

I did.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, you actually were there for that?

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, I stayed to the Faygo. I went over to partake in it. I had Gatum hold Teddy because I didn't want Teddy getting sprayed with soda.

[Tom King]

I was worried about getting hit in the neck with a bottle or something.

[Bryan Johnson]

So I walk over there and there's one of the wannabes can attest to this. I'm about. I kind of got a little bit on my hand, a little bit. A little bit of spray. And then I see like, they set up these strobe lights.

[Tom King]

It was like. Yeah, like RGB strobe lights. Yeah, yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

They said in this little patch of green land, you know, in grass far from the tent, they set up these strobe lights and there's like, like, I don't know, about 50 people in almost like a mosh pit. And they're going to start spraying them with the soda. So I guess when the liquid goes in the air, it looks cool because the strobe lights.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right.

[Bryan Johnson]

Different color strobe lights. There you go. And it was like, it was like slow motion. I just see a full, like 3 liter bottle of soda just go about 20ft in the air. And it is coming right towards me. It is like, it was like something out of like NFL films, you know, when the ball is just in the air forever.

[Walt Flanagan]

You're just watching it.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, just watching it. And I'm like, oh, my God, that's going to fucking hit me. And I moved out of the way and it hit right at my feet. Now, it wouldn't have probably knocked me out, but if it hit me in the face, it probably would have broke my nose, though. And I gotta know, why the fuck would somebody do that?

[Walt Flanagan]

Throw a bottle of water, throw a

[Bryan Johnson]

full 3 liter bottle 20ft in the air, not knowing where it's gonna land? It could land anywhere, including hitting somebody right in the face.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right. Like, what would happen if you weren't paying attention?

[Bryan Johnson]

I would have been injured.

[Tom King]

I think the first rule of the Faygogeddon is pay attention.

[Walt Flanagan]

Second rule of fayogeddon.

[Bryan Johnson]

And so I said. I turned to the guy, and I was like, all right. I think the universe is telling me it's time. It's. It's time to go home.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right.

[Bryan Johnson]

I got.

[Tom King]

I walked over.

[Bryan Johnson]

I got Teddy, and I was like, tell Jimmy congratulations. I'm out. And I just left. Yeah. With all the fago, Armageddon was still going on.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Walt Flanagan]

Before I left, I seriously considered taking Tom to a men's shelter. If you had seen the way his wife was going after him.

[Bryan Johnson]

Tom Miloski.

[Walt Flanagan]

I want to have her on the show.

[Bryan Johnson]

Okay.

[Walt Flanagan]

He was going after her, so she was going after him so hard. Like, he goes over to do something. She's like, well, why are you over there? Make eye contact.

[Tom King]

I think the question was, there was a guy who. A friend of Jimmy's known as Hater.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right.

[Tom King]

And the question was, why is he hater? Why is this.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, he's gonna walk over there.

[Tom King]

And we walked over, and she's like, this is podcast Tom. I don't live with this Tom. Like, this guy, you know, Podcast Thomas, outgoing, ask questions, and this is not who I live with.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, that's what she said. She's like, well, you're. You're different when you're with your podcast buddies.

[Bryan Johnson]

Really? So Tom kind of lets it hang all out, right? It all hang out when he's with his podcast friends.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

Evidently, I do that, too, though. Like, when I go to family events and everything. You know, I'm not like. Like. Like the gift of gab, where I'm talking to everybody.

[Walt Flanagan]

Mickey has a vagina.

[Bryan Johnson]

Is that a goofy list? Yeah. I'm very reserved, and nobody would ever think that I talk, let alone. Let alone people pay to hear me talk.

[Tom King]

Is he functionally muted?

[Bryan Johnson]

So, yeah, I get it. Yeah. Like, I feel that is. That is common. I bet you that Tom, when he's at home, isn't as vocal as he is when he's on mic.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right.

[Brian Quinn]

You know what I find interesting is I have to cut myself in half to do this show. Like, I tamped down on my personality.

[Bryan Johnson]

Really?

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

How come?

[Brian Quinn]

Because I would have been canceled 50 times over. I said, are you kidding me?

[Tom King]

We're only getting activist punisher thoughts.

[Brian Quinn]

Shit. I was saying before we came on air is the real me.

[Bryan Johnson]

So you feel like you have to, like, subdue the real Cue on Mike?

[Walt Flanagan]

He ain't the only one. People really hate me. What I thought.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah. I feel. I. I Have to, like, ramp it up. Because if not, you know, get a kid, attest. I mean, we go for, like, six days in a row, and, like, not a syllable is spoken, just grunts. Wow, that's interesting.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. I would like to have her on just to see how different he is and have him on, too, to defend himself.

[Bryan Johnson]

You think she would. Come on.

[Walt Flanagan]

I don't know. She seemed pretty open. Like, she seemed. She was very friendly and, like, talkative and stuff. So, yeah, she might come on. Especially if it's to rag on Tom.

[Tom King]

Maybe we could do another Newlywed Game.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh.

[Bryan Johnson]

Oh, that would be interesting.

[Walt Flanagan]

It's not a bad idea. That'd be fun.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Walt Flanagan]

I almost saw Natalie in all. In all her glory. Another. Yeah. Chuck's girl. Yeah. Like, there was a unisex bathroom, and somebody was like, okay, come on in. And so I. I don't know why they said come in, because it was only two stalls and they were both taken.

[Bryan Johnson]

Did the stalls have, like, separation? Like. Like. Not like that.

[Walt Flanagan]

It wasn't like, the steakhouse, but I guess Natalie's in one, and so I assume that the other one was open. So I. But I accidentally knocked on the one that Natalie was in. She goes, I'm in here. Kicks the door open for some reason, and she's sitting there on the bowl.

[Bryan Johnson]

Wow, you've got a lot of action.

[Walt Flanagan]

Every time I turned around, another woman was like, check me out.

[Bryan Johnson]

So you saw. Like, that's, like, one of the most personal things you can do. And now.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right.

[Bryan Johnson]

You think even Chuck has seen it?

[Walt Flanagan]

I don't think so. I think it's me. And then maybe Chuck, maybe.

[Tom King]

You feel like you're in a special club when you catch someone on the toilet, don't you?

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. I didn't see anything, but it was still just as good.

[Tom King]

Oh, let me tell you what happened to Key West.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. Yeah. So the wedding was nice. It was. It was really nice.

[Bryan Johnson]

You would have thought, we know the marriage of two Juggalos. It would have been a bit more.

[Tom King]

I was. That's why I went with the face paint.

[Bryan Johnson]

Crazy.

[Tom King]

I was expecting way more face paint.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, it was a bit like, to

[Tom King]

make up because Jimmy didn't do the full Nicholson Joker face paint. I was. I was picturing there'd at least be some Juggalo face going on, and when there wasn't, I was really. I was really surprised.

[Bryan Johnson]

No, I was. I was not surprised, but it was nice. But it was a very. It was much more traditional wedding than I would have had thought. Considering that those. You know, the Juggalos have such a reputation.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right. Right.

[Tom King]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

You know?

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. There was one guy, I think one guy that was, like, trying to start a fight. That black dude. Frank told me that he was. He was very aggressive with people, and I guess he was drinking. He was carrying a bottle around with him.

[Tom King]

No, I didn't notice.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, I was drinking, too, so. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't. That's what Frank said, that he was. He was more aggressive than, say, the rest of the people there.

[Tom King]

No one really gets aggressive towards a monk, so.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Holy, man. I.

[Tom King]

There was axe throwing. There was archery.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, I missed all that.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, There was, like, a thing where you put a candle into a paper boat and set it afloat. I'm not sure. What was that supposed to symbolize?

[Tom King]

I have no clue.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Tom King]

I didn't. I was tough to get down to the lake for me, because.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, right. Walt. You wouldn't appreciate this because you don't know, but Richard Christie was the officiant. He.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Walt Flanagan]

I was so happy to see him, man.

[Brian Quinn]

I'm sorry. I was. I was sorry to miss Richard. He's a great guy, man.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

What's he from?

[Walt Flanagan]

Howard Stern show.

[Bryan Johnson]

He's a regular.

[Walt Flanagan]

He's. Yeah, he's a regular. He's a. He's a writer. And he's on screen, too.

[Bryan Johnson]

How did Jimmy swing that?

[Walt Flanagan]

Because I texted Richard. Yeah. I texted Richard and I said, hey, would you be interested in doing this? And then I put him in touch with Jimmy.

[Bryan Johnson]

Oh, nice.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah.

[Brian Quinn]

So great, dude.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. So I'm going out to lunch with him in the city pretty soon, so I'll text you and. Oh, yeah, we'll set it up.

[Brian Quinn]

I'd love to come.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, sure.

[Brian Quinn]

He usually goes to Big Slick, that charity thing I do every year, so I'm hoping to hang with him.

[Walt Flanagan]

Okay.

[Brian Quinn]

I'd love to go to lunch.

[Walt Flanagan]

All right.

[Brian Quinn]

With him. I went to lunch with him and Sal a few months back, and. And we were talking about you, so it'd be great to get us all together.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. What else? I have to. I got. They used to call them bifocals. Now they call them progressives, so you don't sound as old, but I'm that old. I have to. I had. When I went to the eye doctor, and I had, like, the. The bottom part is going to be for reading, and then the top part is, like, you know, so I can see a little Bit of a dis. Like, they're not that bad.

[Bryan Johnson]

How come you can't do the Lasik anymore?

[Walt Flanagan]

I think I could, but it's just not as effective, you know, because your

[Bryan Johnson]

eyes are too old.

[Walt Flanagan]

I think they're. They're too old. Plus you get it done once, and every time you get it done, it's like they take a layer of skin off. So it's like. I think it's like, becomes more. Not dangerous, but it comes with more risks.

[Bryan Johnson]

When you kind of risks, like blindness, I think.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, I think you go blind, I think.

[Bryan Johnson]

Is that too big a risk?

[Walt Flanagan]

Ah, kind of. Yeah. I thought about it.

[Tom King]

Seeing Eye Dog.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. But that ties into something that Ginham told me that people on. People on Reddit are like, saying I should shave my head because I'm that bald at this point. No, I, I get them. No, not get them.

[Bryan Johnson]

Didn't say people on Reddit, but go get them. Like, shave it. Like, get him.

[Walt Flanagan]

I guess so. Yeah, go get them. But I'm like, look, I got hair up front. I got, I got like, I. My wife is nice to me. She's like, oh, it's thinning. No, it's not. I got a bald spot. Right. I can, I can agree with that. But to say, like, I should shave my head at this point, Look, I'm tall, so a lot of people don't even see the top of my head. And if they do, what do I give a fuck? Why would I shave the rest of the. Like, the hair from the front looks fine.

[Bryan Johnson]

I think you, your hair, if you grow your beard a little bit, you could, like, maybe even, like, curl it, push it up. Yeah, or like, comb it over to

[Walt Flanagan]

the back of my head. Look, it's almost reaching. Yeah, it's getting there a little bit longer.

[Bryan Johnson]

It looks like, who's that dude from a big fortuna.

[Tom King]

Yeah. So it's this photo of. Because they, they got him from behind.

[Walt Flanagan]

They're like, oh, yeah, Johnson should go to our bald.

[Bryan Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Walt Flanagan]

Like every, Like, I want to see these. I want to see what they look like. I don't mind if you post a, like, a picture or a comment about me that's negative or whatever, but post a picture of yourself along with it so we can all see what the fuck you look like.

[Bryan Johnson]

And if they're not there yet, guess what you're gonna be at some point.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yep. Someday you'll be 58 and be like, I should have made fun of Johnson. Now look at me.

[Tom King]

But then I showed him, and I post. I posted the pictures of me going bald, and I posted it to our bald. And Bry was amazed at how positive people on Reddit can be.

[Walt Flanagan]

It's crazy. It's crazy. I don't think I've heard one positive comment about me on Reddit. And like, it was just. He's reading these comments, just a string of fucking, like, you look great. Way to go get him. You look like a sexy Viking. All this other shit.

[Tom King]

And a lot of people don't even know who I am. You know, just.

[Bryan Johnson]

Does that do anything for you?

[Tom King]

What?

[Bryan Johnson]

Those comments.

[Tom King]

A little.

[Bryan Johnson]

Really? It does. It's.

[Tom King]

It's.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, just strangers making those comments, you know, who made them. But, like, the fact that you read them helps your psyche a little.

[Tom King]

It's positive. Just. Just general positivity. Like, you know, it's just like, it's like, you know, standing next to a warm fire, like, you just feel that warmth and it's like, okay.

[Walt Flanagan]

Really?

[Tom King]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

Okay.

[Walt Flanagan]

Definitely better than strangers. Like, cut your hair, you look bald. Definitely better.

[Brian Quinn]

Why don't you do like it is.

[Bryan Johnson]

But you're putting this kind of validation on from strangers, you know, And I'm

[Tom King]

just saying it feel. Like I said, it feels nice, like when you're standing next to a warm fire, like, it's. It's just nice to feel positivity.

[Bryan Johnson]

All right.

[Walt Flanagan]

I don't get that that often.

[Tom King]

Like when people, you know, well, if

[Bryan Johnson]

you threw some shit away, maybe you get some positivity around here.

[Tom King]

But yeah, it's strangers, you're looking at you and just. Just telling you, hey, look, you know what? You look good. Yeah, it looks nice on you.

[Brian Quinn]

Okay.

[Walt Flanagan]

I.

[Tom King]

Because you. I guess when you do this, like, massive transformation, you kind of need that,

[Bryan Johnson]

you know, you look like. Well, you look like a Hell's Angel. You look like if you changed your demeanor and your voice was not so corny, like, you know, and if you had like a more gruffer voice, no one would fuck with you.

[Walt Flanagan]

Out more of a growl than a.

[Bryan Johnson]

Like, he looks like somebody that you wouldn't want to fuck with, right?

[Walt Flanagan]

No, definitely.

[Bryan Johnson]

But then when you see him walk and he could barely fucking shamble an inch.

[Walt Flanagan]

Right?

[Bryan Johnson]

So they don't move if you don't

[Walt Flanagan]

move and don't talk.

[Tom King]

Yeah. Just stand there stoically.

[Bryan Johnson]

I mean, you're the epitome of a victim as soon as you talk and move.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. Like, if you were to like, they like, stationed him outside the club so no non club members got in. Just like, with his arms crossed in front of him. Yeah, he would look pretty badass.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, he would. He looks like a hell's age.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. Look at you. Yeah, but. But if you're like, you can't come in.

[Bryan Johnson]

You can rock that shit if you start telling people, you know, you see these two front teeth that are missing? You should see the other.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Bryan Johnson]

That's what you want. People make fun of you for not having the two front teeth. That's what you got to do.

[Tom King]

Ain't gonna be making fun of me anymore.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, yeah. Again, they gotta work on the voice, though.

[Tom King]

Okay.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah, that sounds like a fucking animated.

[Tom King]

Maybe a Frank Castle.

[Bryan Johnson]

Sounds like an Animaniac.

[Tom King]

Frank Castle growl.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah.

[Tom King]

No crying.

[Walt Flanagan]

You would sound cooler if you had one of those cancer modulators. What happened? Oh, I listened to Walt. I was like. I was thinking about you, Walt. You know, I was like, should I go into New York to do this? I fucking. Really. I don't like going into New York. But you know what? Walt's like, you know, you gotta get out of your house more. Do more stuff. That way you'll have shit to talk about. So I saw this serial killer exhibition in New York.

[Brian Quinn]

Whoa.

[Walt Flanagan]

And I was like. It was downtown. So I'm like, downtown? I don't mind going to as much as, like, midtown. So I'm like, all right, downtown's not so bad. I'll go down there. And I walk in, and the first thing is a bunch of, like, pictures of the serial killers. And there's no. Like. There's no information beneath them. You're just supposed to. It's just like, these are the guys you're gonna learn about. But as I'm starting to go through the exhibition, I'm like, it's a lot of reading, which I hate in museums. It's a lot of, like, these placards with like, okay, this is about David Berkowitz. This is about John Wayne Gacy. Not crazy about it. Because I'm like, I know if wanted to do this, I just sit home and read Wikipedia. I don't need to come here to read this shit. But what really fucking burned me was that, okay. I'm like, okay, here's the artifacts. Here's, like, the. The phone that they use. Here's a gun that they used. Nope. Here's a gun that's similar to the one that he used. And it wasn't even similar. The guy used a.22. There was a.357 in the display. Here's. Here's a. Here's this. That was a replica of this. Here's something that was similar to this. And that was all it was. I knew every single serial killer knew all about them and the replica shit. I was like, you got to be fucking kidding me. There was no murderabilia, no, like, actual artifacts or anything. I would not recommend this. If you're. If you're a newbie, you don't know anything about serial killers, you might be into it, but if you know, like, even have a passing interest in serial killers, you're not going to enjoy it.

[Bryan Johnson]

What do you think about that? That startles me that there is actually an exhibition about something like this. Doesn't this glorify and give exactly what you don't like? The message is, if you're a good enough serial killer, you may get in a museum one day. That is fucked up.

[Walt Flanagan]

You might have people coming to you.

[Bryan Johnson]

That is insane. When I.

[Walt Flanagan]

When you think about you, you literally

[Bryan Johnson]

have now people going to see an exhibition about the worst people on earth. It's like that, to me, blows my mind. Like, isn't that the absolute, the wrongest message you can send?

[Walt Flanagan]

Well, I guess then you wouldn't be learning about Hitler. You wouldn't be learning about this guy or that guy. Like, anybody evil learning, but, like, it

[Bryan Johnson]

feels like it's a. Come on, man. How much did it pay? Did they have to pay to get in?

[Walt Flanagan]

30 bucks a person. Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah. Who's that money going towards?

[Walt Flanagan]

I don't know. To tell you the truth. I'm not even sure it's not going to the serial killers. I know that much. But it's like, I guess these are people who set this up. Yeah. It's like, it's a business, so they're profiting off of it for sure.

[Brian Quinn]

Whoa.

[Bryan Johnson]

That is. That blows my mind because that is absolutely. There's some really fucking broken people out there who fantasize about shit like that. If I kill enough people, you know, I'll be a David Berkowitz and I'll. Maybe I'll have a wing in the fucking dedicated to me in the Museum of Natural Born Killers.

[Brian Quinn]

I don't know if, like, possibility of being in a museum is enough to tip someone over to killing.

[Bryan Johnson]

You don't think that they want that fame? There's a certain level of.

[Brian Quinn]

No, I do, but I think some of them do. I think most of them would like not to get caught, right? Isn't that better for them?

[Walt Flanagan]

For the most part. But some people, like, BTK almost want to get.

[Bryan Johnson]

They want that Recognition.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, they need, they want, they want

[Bryan Johnson]

to be the best. Considered one of the all time bests in the field of killing.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, but I just think the problem is the psychopathy, not the fame fucking like, you know, if anything's going to make him start killing people, it's going to be the fact that they get a hard dick when they kill people, you know, not that they might be in a shitty museum in Manhattan in 20 years.

[Walt Flanagan]

They do say that in the papers all the time though. They're like, you know, let's not, let's not, let's talk about the victims, not the killer. You know, like when these spree killers go, you know, like mass killers and

[Tom King]

shit, don't mention their name, don't mention

[Walt Flanagan]

the name, don't put them in the paper.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

Could you imagine the relatives of some of these victims? Would they ever get it when that there's a fucking, an exhibition about the person who killed their loved one if

[Brian Quinn]

it's not glorifying it. If they're like, you know, I see what you're saying, but you know, if they're not like, this is fucking awesome, come check out these kills, you know, and there's a scoreboard.

[Bryan Johnson]

They're smart enough not to glorify it. The people who are running this and profiting off of it, this, this exhibition, you know, at least they have enough sense not to do that. But look at what they're doing though. Like, they don't have enough gusto to get any of the real items. So they're like, you know what we'll do? We'll just get fucking props.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah, that's all they were, were props. And I was just, I couldn't have been more disappointed. I was like, I wanted to see like the guy's real tie even, you know, or something, something that he owned, something that he touched. Would have been like a lot of people there out. Yeah, there were a fair amount of people. I mean, I wouldn't say it was packed because it was like midday on a Wednesday. So there weren't a lot, a lot of people there, but like more people than I thought would have been there.

[Bryan Johnson]

How long has it been running?

[Walt Flanagan]

A couple weeks, I think. I think it has a couple weeks more. Yeah. But disappointing if you're, if you have any, even a passing knowledge of serial killers.

[Bryan Johnson]

Disappointing on so many levels. It's disappointing on a fucking human level.

[Walt Flanagan]

I guess so, yeah. But I mean, I guess it's just like, like Q says, it's like you're, it's, it's just historical at that point. You're not really, like, glorifying them. You're like. Or though, you know what? If you're saying, like, hey, you will get into. You could possibly get into an exhibition if you kill enough people. Or you're like, you're well known enough. Yeah, yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

But you know that they're like, true humanitarians are. You know, no one's fucking setting up a wing with fake props to. To.

[Walt Flanagan]

To draw in weirdos.

[Bryan Johnson]

Well, you know, they're not like. I mean, it's a morbid thing. I mean, that's why, I mean, ID Channel is. Is basically, you know, a testament how popular it is. Have a morbid curiosity. I get it.

[Brian Quinn]

But it's all women, you know? You know, those shows are like, yeah, it's all women. It's like 80, 75% 80 women that watch those shows.

[Bryan Johnson]

Why do you think?

[Brian Quinn]

I wish I knew.

[Bryan Johnson]

Florence Nightingale effect. Yeah, I could have. I could have fixed that guy. My love. My love could fucking fix. Could fix fucking that psychopath.

[Brian Quinn]

I don't know. Maybe it touches the same thing that touches harm. Not that women can't love horror movies. That's not what I mean. But like, maybe it's. Maybe it's something that touches. It's like a safe scare in a way. You know, Maybe.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. If you could, like, live it vicariously.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Walt Flanagan]

I don't know.

[Brian Quinn]

But it is, it is. It is wild. Like, because I know some people that work at those channels, the ID Channel or work on those shows, and they're always. They're like, it's all women. They make those shows for women, which is crazy.

[Walt Flanagan]

I'm reading a book right now called the Invention of Murder, and it's all about, like, murders in the Victorian age. And it's crazy how into murder they were too. Like, I thought this was a relatively new phenomenon where people like, you know, because of the ID Channel and Discovery and all that shit. But no, it's been going on for centuries that people, People are super into, like, other people getting killed going to hangings, like the public hangings before they stopped them. Like, thousands and thousands of people going to a hanging of somebody who is probably innocent. Like, if you read their case, you're like, oh, boy. Like, the judge knew the. The prosecuting attorney. So it's like, I guess you're guilty.

[Tom King]

Salem Witch Trials.

[Walt Flanagan]

Salem Witch Trials, yeah. Perfect example of people that were innocent. But you know that they get swept up in that mob mentality.

[Brian Quinn]

Oh, man. Oh, did you watch? Have you watched what the fuck is that show? Mystic Bay. There's a horror. There's a horror comedy show now on Apple tv. Fuck. I. Shit, I can't remember. I shouldn't have brought it up. It's good. It's, like, third episode in, but there's a great line about the witch where they're. They should show them around the town, and they're like, yeah, this is. This is where we burned witches. We got him. It was Widows Bay. It was the total opposite. When I thought it was gonna come out of the woman's mouth, she was like, yeah, no, we got him. We got the witches. I was like, oh, it's pretty funny. I never heard that joke before. It was great.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what the psychology behind women loving that shit, but it's true. They do love it, and it is made for them. Yeah. I don't know.

[Brian Quinn]

Did you start reading Dungeon Crawler, Carl?

[Walt Flanagan]

Start getting into it as soon as I finish this book. That's my next book.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, the new one just came out.

[Bryan Johnson]

Comic books are now coming out with him.

[Brian Quinn]

Walt, it's gonna be fucking everything. It's gonna be comets, TV shows, movies. Like, this guy's got a legitimate phenomenon on his hands.

[Walt Flanagan]

It's weird, though. I, like. I looked online and, like, the only. Like, I got the first one in soft cover. Everything else is hardcover.

[Brian Quinn]

That's because he published it first, so I think that they. He's working that, like.

[Walt Flanagan]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. And it's not that bad. It's like. It's 20 bucks for a hardcover, so it's not crazy.

[Brian Quinn]

No, it's fine. I think if you have. If you have Kindle, like, the Kindle prime or whatever, they're free. You could just download them on there.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, really?

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Walt Flanagan]

Okay.

[Tom King]

Yeah. I'm 20% through book eight right now.

[Brian Quinn]

Oh, man.

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, wow. You've been going, huh?

[Tom King]

I just came out. So I've been reading.

[Walt Flanagan]

Okay, right.

[Brian Quinn]

Great opening scene, right? With donut and that fucking bitch talking.

[Tom King]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Quinn]

That is awesome. Yeah. And then, Walt, I started reading Starman James. Did I tell you this? James Robinson Starman again.

[Bryan Johnson]

No. Yeah. You're rereading it.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, it's. It's even better than I remember. It's so good.

[Bryan Johnson]

That was a good one.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah. That's what I've been doing.

[Bryan Johnson]

How'd you. How'd you celebrate Free Comic Book Day?

[Brian Quinn]

You know me, I'm not a termite. I don't like to go to the stores during. Look at Teddy digging into that couch,

[Walt Flanagan]

trying to get a bluechew wrapper, which

[Tom King]

is not for you. Teddy.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah.

[Bryan Johnson]

You didn't go to any stores.

[Brian Quinn]

No, no. That's the termites, man. Going. Going to free combo. I don't need that.

[Bryan Johnson]

Did the. The one Not Wannabes. What do they call the. What do they call the. Amateur hour.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, Amateur hour. Yeah, but it's good. No, if it gets kids in the

[Walt Flanagan]

store to look at other comics and not buy them. Walt has experience with that.

[Brian Quinn]

You're right. You're right. I don't know what I was thinking.

[Walt Flanagan]

Termites.

[Bryan Johnson]

All right. Anything else?

[Walt Flanagan]

That was it for me.

[Bryan Johnson]

I don't think I have anything.

[Walt Flanagan]

No. I don't know why this keeps.

[Bryan Johnson]

Your friends are coming in next episode.

[Brian Quinn]

What's that, bud?

[Walt Flanagan]

Oh, yeah, next episode. John.

[Brian Quinn]

Yeah, we got. We got. We got John and Matt coming in to ask all the newbie questions that people might have for Tom, Steve, Dava. Finally we're doing our. Our issue zero of Telemace. Dave.

[Bryan Johnson]

I'm excited. Excited for this.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. I think it'll be much easier than when we tried because we were just like, well, this is how it stopped it. Go back and listen if you want to know. For 10 years worth of material.

[Bryan Johnson]

Yeah.

[Walt Flanagan]

But, yeah, this will be good. They'll ask all. I'm sure they'll ask all the right questions, and then people will be caught up.

[Brian Quinn]

They're both very sharp, very funny people. So I'm sure they're going to make it entertain. Entertaining.

[Walt Flanagan]

Yeah. All right. So that's it.

[Brian Quinn]

That's it.

[Walt Flanagan]

All right, Q, you got.

[Brian Quinn]

You know. What do I got to do? Starman. I'm reading Starman again.

[Tom King]

That's it.

[Brian Quinn]

That's all I got.

[Walt Flanagan]

All right.

[Bryan Johnson]

Tell him, Steve. Dave.