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You've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free.
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If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven. I believe that in a world where.
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Central bankers are tripping over themselves to.
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Devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin. If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. Probably should be. Probably should be. Yeah.
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You don't have to worry about the name of the spelling. We take it off and post. So it's just our pictures and people.
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Will know we're sitting down with Jessica Rose.
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You can see her name on the video right now if you're watching on YouTube or somewhere else. But I'm sitting down with Jessica Rose, who I was introduced to by our good friend who's been on the show a couple times now at this point, Kevin McClernand. We've talked about the DNA contamination of the COVID vaccines. And after last time we spoke, he was adamant that I have to reach out with you and get you on the show. A bit of a delay. He introduced us in March. We're sitting here in the beginning of September. But I think.
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It was a happy.
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Accident because there's a lot to talk about with everything going on.
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And so it's a good delay. There's nothing wrong with it.
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C
And that's why I reached out to you, because I remember Kevin introduced me to Jessica to talk about this stuff. And we have a lot going on on Capitol Hill. It seems like RFK Jr. Is actually getting his way. We have a lot of people leaving the cdc. We're finding out about the individuals who are at the CDC pushing the vaccine mandates during COVID And I just wanted to get you on, to get your perspective on what do you think's happening at that level right now. Do you think we're on the path toward some sort of unearthing of what actually happened and getting the. The real data out to the people?
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I do. It's. It's been wild to watch. I mean, you. I don't know how long you've been watching all this stuff unfold, but, I mean, I've been. I've been digging into the data, the adverse event data, for five years now. So I. I mean, it's been a horror show since January 2021. And I'll elaborate on that in a second. But it's amazing. That the feeling in the community of people I'm in, and it's a very broad international community of people from lawyers to doctors to teachers to vets, you know, like, and podcasters, everyone in between, there's a real feeling of wow, you know, as in more than hope. It's actual surprise because. And it's not that I think people are surprised that we're starting to see actual movement on the subject matter of vaccine safety. It's that it's almost hard to believe, if you know what I mean, because we've, I don't even think we, as a community of people who are digging into this all the time and who dedicate our lives to the science, know how bad it is, know how shielded the data is, know how many studies have actually been conducted by pharma companies themselves that reveal like catastrophic adverse events that we, we don't have access to. We don't know about this. This hearing that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. As we all know, is the new Secretary of HHS recently I would say was subjected to was just, I mean, beyond revealing the people, the small clips that I've, that I've seen of the, of the entire session, which I haven't watched in full, were so astounding. I mean, there were so many ad hominem attacks, there were so many juvenile lash outs. It's just not something I would expect to see from a room full of heavy hitting professionals, senators and doctors and you know what I mean? It's like I would expect it to be more civilized. So it's not that I think it's a bad thing that it happened that it's being revealed this way. I think it's actually very, very telling as to like, why, why are people getting so defensive on the subject matter? Because Robert hasn't changed his position. All he's trying to do is get science back data to actually have the outcome of safe products on the market. That's all he's looking for. There's nothing to defend right there. He's looking out for kids, he's looking out for parents, he's looking out for American people in general. It's like, what is there to defend? So the reactions I saw from people just at this hearing were stunning. I mean, are they worried they're going to lose their handouts? Are they worried that some weird personal truth is going to come out about them, about what they've been defending and why? I mean, it's bizarro world. But again, I'll go back to what I started with. It's beyond hopeful. It's actual movement forward, I think. And just one more thing about that. When Trump. You saw the post on X where Trump made the comment about operation warp speed and he was demanding data from Pfizer. This is huge. If he stands by that and if he actually follows through with demanding this data, me and Kevin and David speaker up in Canada are probably going to have a paper published today or maybe tomorrow that's been in the peer review process for years, literally years now, that reveals so many things about the modified MRNA products pertaining to DNA. I'll just call them contaminants. Trump needs to know this stuff. And I know that he's not a scientist, but he'll understand the word contaminant and he'll understand that from another point of view, these things are gene based therapies that didn't go through the proper channels to get approved, for example. I think there's a real, there's a real reason to be optimistic after all of this time. That's what I would say.
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C
That's incredibly encouraging to hear because that is one of my biggest worries. And it was funny, I sent a tweet out earlier this week. I forget exactly what I said or what I was quote, tweeting, but it pertained to the COVID vaccines and the potential to actually find out what's happening and let the American people get access to the data and do their own research. And somebody responded like, why are you still on this? Give it up. Covid was years ago. It's like, no, we cannot.
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Just let.
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This fall to the wayside. There has to be some accountability, which is desperately needed because I said it before we hit record. But I'm a strong believer that what happened between late 2020 and up until today, to some point with, with mandates are still being issued to people in certain positions or schools is a crime against humanity.
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Yeah. And it's not only America. I mean, Europe's still pushing the COVID stuff. There are countries all over the world who are still very much, fully caught up in all of this. And you know, everybody's seen it on the news. There's this kind of resurgence of fear factoring going on with, oh, there's a new SARS train and people are getting Covid. No, no, no, no. The one thing that is true from what people are saying that Covid is over is that it is, it was a long time ago from, from an immunological point of view. So it's wild to me that there's this dichotomy between the hundreds of millions of people who've suffered adverse events directly as a cause of these modified nucleoside, modified MRNA injections and the people who still have no awareness that there's a problem at all. It's wild because these two groups are real. The one, the latter group are actually like, I think slowly, slowly there are people coming out of that group and starting to open their eyes as more of this becomes so called mainstream, which is thanks to the new administration. Whether you like the people involved or not, it doesn't matter man, they're, they're moving the target. So you got to appreciate that after stagnancy for so long, decades, when you're talking about vaccine safety, if people don't know what I was doing with the vaccine adverse event reporting system data set in the US I started digging into this the day that the shots went out on December 17, 2020, because I anticipated, because of what I was seeing, the one shot solution, the novel technologies involved, I anticipated that we were going to start seeing like enormous numbers of people reporting adverse events and serious ones too. Because for, for people who don't know, there are two brand new technologies involved here. These lipid nanoparticles which are not safe, these, these things called cationic lipids, as one of four which are highly positively charged, which are murder to cells and nucleotides which are embedded therein. And it's supposed to be only this nucleoside modified rna. But as I'll talk about later, I hope, according to our new publication and other peer reviewed publications, there's way too much DNA in there as well. It's not supposed to be there. And that comes with a boatload of problems that absolutely would be associated with disease and pathologies like cancer. In January 2021, at the end of January, January 30, there was a very large death signal in VAERS. And this is a passive reporting system. So underreporting is actually the biggest problem with vaers. A lot of people call it like a dumpster, which I find very offensive because every single one of these reports is a person who was injured because they took a vaccine. And they matter. Every single person matters. And if you actually succeed at filing a VAERS report, which is not an easy task, it's an online system with multiple e pages that if you don't complete in time, they kick you off and you have to start again. And then it has to get vetted after being given a temporary id. And if that's successful, with the limited number of people who are doing the vetting. You might get a permanent VAERS ID and your data point might be uploaded to the front end system. But that's not the end of it. It might also be removed and as I've also written a paper about with no explanation. So there was a big death signal in January at the end, which under normal circumstances and in the past historically would have prompted the immediate withdrawal of the product from the market. These modified mRNA products from the market, it was like 500 and something something reports of death within 30 days, which is way that's a lot of people to dive at the hands or in the context of a product that's supposed to be helping people. And that's just one the number of adverse events, I'll give you some context here that are typically reported in the context of the flu vaccines, for example, like the number of types of adverse events of the 25,000 potential measure coded adverse events that you can use is about 5,000 something in total for say like a season, a flu season. And the number of types of adverse events that have been reported in the context of just the modified mRNA shots is over 14,000. So there's not just hundreds of thousands more adverse events, millions in fact being reported. When you compare like in the context of the COVID shots versus the flu shots, there's so many more different types which matches perfectly with what we're seeing in a clinical setting pertaining to the comprehensive nature of the damage. You've heard it all, right, like there's neurological damage, there's immunological damage, heart damage, lymphatic or the, the endocrine system being ruined, birth defects, fertility problems, cancer. I mean just name it and it's there and it's been there from the very beginning. So you can, I have written papers about this and published them. You can find that on my sub stack if you're interested. But the point in all of what I'm saying is that this, this data, the VAERS data, is accessible to the public, which is why I chose it. And it's been showing signals for a very, very, very long time. Now we're up to about last time I checked it was like 1.6 something million reports in the context of these shots to date. Again, just for context, the total number of adverse events reported in the past 30 years of data collection in VAERS for all vaccines combined has been about 39,000 on average. And in 2021 alone, just one year, there were over a million reports in the COVID shot context. So there's just like there's no looking away from this. So I'm really glad going back to the first question about like what's going on with CDC and even hopefully FDA and HHS is that those guys are the owners of this data set and it's their job. They're tasked with the job of looking at this data, analyzing it, doing for a follow up causality assessments. And the CDC director at the time, Rochelle Walensky is on record having said that there's no signal. There are a number of documented reports from these, the employees of these organizations making like assured statements that there's no safety signals that we should be concerned about in vaers. And it's absolute rubbish. And it's. By the way, everyone's heard about myocarditis now but that is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm glad that it's gotten a lot of attention. But on the other hand it doesn't address all the neurological problems that people are seeing which depending on who you are you might actually consider brain damage a little bit more hard to deal with than heart damage.
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Yeah, I mean I haven't been able to validate whether these true but whether this is true. But I've seen people in recent months tweeting that the amount of gray matter appearing in brain scans is increasing and again haven't validated. I've just seen it could be fake news but like what is a equivalent to like a lobotomy has has been found in some people.
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Wow. I'll have to look into that. Sorry, go ahead.
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No, it's just astonishing to me that I mean the numbers that you described for the COVID vaccine in the VAERS database is astounding. That's 1.4 million that actually made it through the process and were on the front end and so that's underreported.
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Bingo. Bingo. And that's just fares. And another. I'm trying to remember everything, you know, the most important points. There are pharmacovigilance databases used all over the world. Like Australia has one called the Dane. There's the UGER system in Europe, there's the yellow card system in the UK. There's VARs in the US, there's cafis in Canada. And the thing about it is you have to comb really hard through the other data steps which really aren't user friendly but when you do the signals are exactly the same. And I don't mean similar, I mean they're exactly the same numbers wise and also systemic nature wise of reports and Age group wise, nobody's immune. Like whoever got the shots. For example, if you have a pre existing condition or if you have a lurking condition or if you have a latent viral, you know, a latent virus, like all the herpes viruses, you get reactivation. It's like something in these shots causes some horrid level of immune dysfunction which just wreaks havoc on anything lurking, if you're catching my drift. If you have an autoimmune condition that was stable, how many people do I know, how many people have I heard reported have that condition, reemerge? Everything you can name autoimmunity is, is a whole other subject matter which we should talk about. But yeah, it's VAERS is just one, one data set. And it's, it's just, it's wild how again just, just by looking at that alone, I'm not saying, you know, like you can definitively say this, this or this. What I'm saying is the owners of the data cannot deny that there are massive safety signals in that data set and they have to explain why. They have to, you know, this, this is, this is people's lives on the line and people were mandated to get these shots. So it's like, it is criminal, you know.
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Go check it out. And the lack of accountability, the inability to recognize that these, there are these glaring sort of alarm bells going off in the data sets. I mean it doesn't do them any favors that they don't address it because it leads one to go down the path of being very pessimistic about the intentions of it all. It almost seems intentional. It's like, why are you trying to hide this? Because I remember when the bears conversation started popping up in mid 21 and persisted for the better part of a year and a half after that. People were just flippantly disregarding bears, like, oh, it's not a reliable database. There could be a lot of bunk data in there. But up until that point it was sort of used as a reliable database. But all of a sudden because there was bad information about this particular vaccine, it suddenly became unreliable and something to not look at.
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Yeah, that's right. And then we get blamed for vaccine hesitancy when they completely, you know, evade their own jobs. Yeah, it's crazy. The thing about it is like you. Yeah, it's just what you said, they just had to do and what I just said, they just had to do their jobs. They just had to be a little bit transparent and honest. And you know, it just ain't about public health. There's no public or health with regard to anything that's happened in the last five years and probably way, way longer before. And very importantly for anyone who's trashing vaers, go ahead, do what you want. But remember that this is a government database. It's a pharmacovigilance database and it's designed as part of the post clinical trial phases. You have animal trials, which we didn't have, and then you have phase 1, 2, 3. Each phase increases in number and strength and power. They have to be sequential, they cannot be overlapped. All of these rules, by the way, were broken. This process, this animal trial to phase one through three process for a conventional vaccine takes about 10 years. This is standard. This was all squished into about six months. Many problems therein. The phase four, which is what I like to think of it as, is the pharmacovigilance vigilance. You put the product, whatever it is you were trialing in the clinical trials into a very large number of people. In this case, it was billions of people. And you have to monitor what's going on because the demographic is going to be much, much, much broader. You're going to have more ages, you're going to have more people with conditions that were excluded as part of these exclusion criteria in the trials. For example, people who smoke, people who are pregnant, people who have autoimmune conditions. It's the job of pharmacovigilance data collection to detect these signals. That's what VAERS is. It's actually really valuable. And I'm saying that from a person who's been looking at it for years, the data they're in is so plentiful. It's annoying that it takes so long to file a VAERS report. But the good part about it is that you can enter so much data. You can enter free text, which is basically just the doctor's notes. If it's you, or if it's your GP or if it's a nurse practitioner or a parent or whatever, whoever is filing the report, you can write as much as you want about the real story of what happened. You can put your opinion in there, you can put your vaccine history, you can put everything. And if you're willing, like I am, to read through the free text, in addition to looking at the age data, in addition to looking at the state, in addition to looking at the dose, you will learn so much about what's going on. It's like reading between the lines. So I would argue with anybody who wants to say that VAERS isn't an invaluable data set. It really is.
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Ken. Was it the COVID vaccine, particularly, that drove you to make sure that you were paying attention to VAERS, or is this 100%?
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I didn't know about VAERS before any of this. The only reason I got into this, actually was because I had just finished my second postdoc and enough was enough. I was ready to just surf for a long time. I'm a surfer, by the way, and I planned this big trip to Noosa. I was going to showcase my talent for the wsl. I had a spot in the Noosa Surf Festival. Everything was paid for, bought, but it was happening at the end of February, early March 2020. So you know what happened then. So I had to cancel my trip. And being the, the proactive person that I am, I decided that I would start paying attention to what was going on. Because, I mean, when I hear the word zoonotic pathogen, my ears perk up. Because that's what I study. I mean, that's. That's what I do. I'm not a data analyst by training. It's just a part of all the degrees that I've done. I'm. I'm actually like an immunologist who studies viruses. Like I said, I started looking around, I was watching the Johns Hopkins death board every morning with my coffee, like, oh, my God. Then about seven or eight days later, I'm like, oh, Jesus, this is a joke. This isn't what people are thinking. It is. It was just by listening to the language that was being used, for example, the new technology, the one shot deal, injecting everyone during the pandemic all at once, regardless of immunity, natural immunity, the police forces forcing you not to go outside and walk around. It was like something else going on here. I decided to teach myself how to use R and I dove into VAERS like I said, because it was freely accessible and easy to access. You know, people probably think I'm an anti maxer, but I'm vaccinated out the yin yang. I mean, before all this started, I was like, if I traveled to a place where there were endemic viruses, I was going to the doctor and saying, what do I need to get injected with to be safe? I was that person. And yeah, I remember getting pretty sick once from doing that, but not anymore, man. Bueno, shifto. 180. I'm never getting injected with anything again for as long as I live. And it's their fault. I'm sorry. It's like when you don't tell the truth and when you're not transparent with data and when you're pushing products to get them on the childhood schedule because you're free from liability and you make a billion dollars off that, you kind of got to side eye people and think, all right, are you really concerned about my health or are you really concerned about your pocketbook? And so, yeah, it's like, I'm not sure that we're ever going to get to the point where we have a Wonderful vaccine schedule that's actually ensuring the safety of the masses. I'm not sure we're going to get there, but what I would hope is that all these. Can I swear?
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Yes, you can swear.
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Okay. All these bullshit vaccines that they're trying to inject newborns with, like happy. I, I hope that all that stuff is just completely eliminated because those are just, they're just money making schemes. There's no, absolutely no medical or immunological reason to be doing that. And when you combine the fact that there are so many adjuvants like aluminum, there's so many byproducts, DNA contamination, there's so many things you have to factor in. And also pre existing conditions, you have to consider that there are risks as well as potential benefits when you vaccinate with anything. So it's like I really hope that we just get some balance back, which is what I genuinely believe Robert is fighting for. Yeah, he's worked all his life for this and he's poised man. He just needs to keep going.
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He really does. It was encouraging to see the move that Florida made earlier this week. Taking away mandates, giving people, I mean as a parent, like I said, we had our first job last week, we had to deal with this. And in the hospital they tried.
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What did they try?
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I mean, they tried. They did. Hep B was right there and we were like, no thank you. And Vitamin K. Right, Vitamin K. And they give like an eye antibiotic in case the mother has gonorrhea too. So we were very adamant, like, okay, my wife tested negative for Hep B and doesn't have gonorrhea. So we're. Thank you. But they're skeptical. And then that leads you to question the motives and intentions. And as it pertains to the COVID vaccine specifically, that's, I think the thing that I'm most interested in getting to the bottom of is was this just a money grab by Big Pharma and they were able to influence the politicians because of their lobbying efforts to really brute force this on the market. And then again because there has been any accountability and they refuse to acknowledge data and confront the glaring problem in front of everybody.
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You have people who are more conspiratorial.
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Are saying we're looking at a massive debt problem here in the United States, looking at the Social Security liabilities and maybe there was a intentional culling of the population to bring down those expenses. And I'm not saying that is the case, but because there's no accountability and no sort of retrospective on what happened. And people are not forced, but they're naturally going to explore those potential intentions.
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Yeah, and it's responsible too, because where there aren't answers, we need to seek them. Especially since there are so many bloody questions. I mean, God, I think that's all going to come. Like, I know a lot of people who have been doing some excellent work using various databases. Who is pretty irrefutable. I mean, what we need to do now is bring these people and their data and their analyses to the right eyes. And that's what we're ripe for right now. So that's why I'm really optimistic. That's one of the things that I try to do because for some reason I know a lot of people and someone will say, hey, do you know this person? And I'm like, yeah, can you get this? I'm like, yeah. And it's just, okay, now that person has their eyes on this and they can see for themselves, they can criticize it for themselves, like what the data is, like how authentic it is, what the analysis. So the amazing thing about that is that there, there are so many people who are really, really serious. Scientists, medical doctors, even lawyers, like, who are teaming up to, to just really irrefutably present data. Again, the problem has always been. Well, not always, but for the. Well, yeah, always for a long time now, especially in the last five years, is the, you know, the, what would you call it, Censorship. That's a good word of work and data so that it doesn't make it to the right eyes. I have this kind of infamous paper about Mario Carditis that I penned with Peter McCullough right at the beginning that got withdrawn or retracted, whatever you want to call it, without explanation. There was nothing written pertaining to plagiarism, bad data. There was nothing wrong with the paper. They just said it was their prerogative not to publish it. At the last minute, it went dark for two years. This paper, which has since been published and updated back in 2021, October, was when it was originally published, clearly, clearly demonstrated what we all know right now, which is that there's a huge myocarditis signal in the context of the nucleoside modified products in kids, specifically like 12 to 15 year olds. The thing that really bothers me about that whole censorship deal are the number of kids that subsequently got injected by unknowing parents because this information wasn't readily available. So this is criminal. People have been robbed of the, the. The of choice. Even if we are living in a world illusion of choices, whatever. You know, it's better to have some kind of choice, like, give me the information. I can decide if you're crazy or not, or if the information is good or bad. And if I want to inject my kid with whatever or myself, that that was taken from us. So, yes, it's all shall be revealed.
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That's unbelievable. Like, that's just a quintessential example. Like, you know, normal, good doctors just doctoring, you know, like it's. It's never not been the case, no matter what the CDC says, you know, they just have like recommendations that they can give. It's never not been the case that the call when it comes to illness, disease, whatever is made between the doctor and the patient. That's another thing that was taken from us. It's like all of a sudden it became the norm that doctors have to take dick tots from three letter agencies with revolving door antics with big pharma who are just simply recommending things. It's crazy. It's crazy. Like it's.
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And then you come out and then you come to find that some of them are literal Satanist.
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Yeah, right. Oh my God. Like I was at dinner with. With a brownstone crew the other night and Jeffrey was saying, you know, like we used to joke, you know, back in the day that what, what if the CDC is run by a bunch of satanists? And now it's not a joke. The CDC is run by a bunch of. It's just crazy. Like what, what, what should be a joke is real. And it's like for me, you know, these are also good. They're good flip points. For, for. I'll call them naysayers or non believers in the truth. Because it's like, listen, this isn't us. That. That's them. Like they took that picture. These are their weird personal beliefs which they're allowed to have. Whatever. But it's my opinion that if you hold a certain position, you have to maintain a certain modicum of professionalism at all times really, because you hold this position and you can never let your personal beliefs bleed into your job role or policy decisions or, you know, it's like that, that's what's happening. It's like everything has become a weird. Like, I personally believe this, so I'm gonna impose that on everybody in America. It's like, what? That's not how it works. And nobody likes that. No.
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C
And it's, it's been incredibly detrimental to the nation on many levels from the health perspective, from a trust perspective. And I think the corruption of the system and how deep it goes is completely maddening. Going back to your point about the sort of questioning that RFK had in front of Congressman on the Hill, I mean, it's crazy how transparently corrupt it is because I'm sure you saw, but there was a leaked memo from Big Pharma lobbyists that hit, hit the tape last week to basically laid out the playbook for how they're going to combat RFK Junior's policies and try to drive a wedge between Maha and. They literally had a multi million dollar campaign and they wanted to, wanted to enact it on August 30th. And this is the same day that you have Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, many other politicians coming out the same wrote scripts via Twitter. And it's just very obvious that, oh, you guys are, you're coordinating an attack to prevent this information from getting to the public. And that leads to the question, like, what are you afraid of? Like, what do you think will happen to three letter agencies, Big Pharma, if we do get our hands on this information and successfully disseminate it to the public.
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B
Yeah, they're all going to be ruined. I mean, if it authentically comes out, which I think it will, I mean, you know, whether or not people are going to believe it is another question. And it's a good question because it's. You know what, it's so unbelievable. A lot of this stuff, like just, just from the amount of money that a lot of these people are pocketing, it's crazy. Like the, the, it must not be easy to be in the position they're in and I'm a very empathetic person. And it's not that I feel compassionate toward these people, but I almost feel sad for them because their entire playbook, some people actually believe that some of the senators who are wailing on RFK believe what they're saying. And maybe they're right, but maybe they've been caught up so long in the machine that they're locked into, which is designed to protect the agencies and the companies that they're working for and with by contract. My take is they probably know how bad what they are doing is and they're just contractually obligated to protect the assets, I'll call them, the things that they're involved in maintaining, like the big pharma schedule, the vaccine schedule, maintaining new products, getting on the childhood vaccination schedule so that another company makes another billion per year with liability free. Yeah, it's like I love trying to get into the head because, you know, it's important to do this, to not only empathize, but to try and get into the head of the people that you're trying to understand and also communicate with. Because, I mean, sometimes you can actually break through to someone who's, who's really not been doing the right thing, and they're going to become the most powerful ally of all. Right. But I found that I have an inability to really empathize with any of these people because they're just, they're strange to me. They're so chaotic and they're so emotional. And every time you have an emotionally based response to something that's really not, it shouldn't be. Like, if you actually believe that the data provided by the pharmaceutical companies is good and that the product is safe and effective, you don't need to get emotional. You don't need to be like, you know, almost in tears defending a corporation. You don't need to do that. I can understand if you're defending children and you think and you see that they're dying at the hands of a product, but it's weird to me, it's like that's what I started with. I found the, the, the number of outbursts was way too high. Yeah, it was, it was very. It's like you're watching them flail at the last moment. You know, when, when they know that they might have a chance to, to keep the machine running. They just. I don't think they will, though. I think I saw a statistic today, I don't know if it's right, that said that about 70% of the American people are backing RFK regardless of what we saw in that room. I think that's probably correct because he's not looking to tell people what vaccines to take or to harm the American people. He's really just looking for to do things bloody well right. Like probably for the first time since this whole vaccine machine came upon us. And it's all their fault that there's vaccine hesitancy and that everyone's starting to question the entire industry now, not just the COVID shots. It's their fault.
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C
And the other thing is none of it is seeped in logic. Like to your point of, I don't understand why these people are vehemently defending the big pharma industry and lashing out against others who may be vaccine hesitant. Or it's like, okay, if it's. If these things are effective and they work and you're vaccinated, you don't have to worry about people who aren't. It's number one and then number two, which is truly disgusting and literally leads me to believe that there is some demonic evil forces behind it is like the fact that if you get one of these things on the childhood schedule, you are free of liability. It's literally hiding behind children and putting them at risk to skirt liability, which is absolutely abhorrent and disgusting.
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B
Money, like money. What is money to Nothing. You know, it's. You're absolutely right. It's. It's gross. I think the whole thing is gross.
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C
And they're very good at making you sound like a crazy person or making others believe that you're a crazy person for questioning. Again, these things which aren't seeped in logic, like why should everybody have to get vaccinated if you're very worried about it and you are vaccinated you shouldn't be worried, you should be protected. And all of a sudden these things are on a child schedule. So we can't sue the pharmaceutical industry for any adverse effects of the products that they're making. It's literally insane. And again, bordering on demonic. Like, oh, like.
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Yeah, this is the healthcare system. They, they want, they want everyone to be disease free. Oh my. Yeah, it's, it's, it's wild. You know, the silver lining in all of this, like they, my take on this has been the whole time, like they pushed the envelope way too far. Like I think that they. One of my hypotheses has been that they were going to take this far, much farther than it ever went. You know, they were going to go full on digital id, they were going to go full on green pass type shit everywhere in the world. They were going to go full on 15 minute city type thing like you can't leave your area. They were going to go full on like quarantine towns. I really believe that. I think the reason it didn't work was because they underestimated how many people were actually. I hate using this word, but awake to, to. Or maybe a better way to say it is maintained common sense. Because that's really all you need to have. Like you kind of just have to revert to your, your childlike former self when you got a cold or the flu or whatever. You just drank chicken soup and waited a couple of days and then you were fine. And I mean for life. Yeah, it doesn't take much more than common sense to figure that out. And I think that without getting too philosophical, I think that actually requires at least a few moments of silence with yourself so that you can actually hear your own dialogue. And I, I think a lot of people drown themselves every day in way too much stimulus. You know, the doom scrolling and TVs and kids and wow. And, and maybe it could be that simple. Like they, they just haven't had the time to kind of take just a few moments and reflect. Like, yeah, yeah. Why, why is it that if I got Cove or sars, if I got exposed, that I wouldn't be immune for life and wouldn't need the shot? Why are they recommending seven shots after I got Covid and how come I got Covid three times after I got three shots? You know what I mean? Like these, these very basic questions that I, you don't need an immunology degree to, to know these truths. They're just kind of the stuff that we grew up with. I Think. I mean, I grew up with that.
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C
Well, yeah. And, I mean, that's what really drove me to begin being immediately out of the gate skeptical of the COVID vaccines. Because my whole life, I was told, led to believe that vaccines are safe and effective because they have been tested for a decade before they hit the market. And then all of a sudden, in 2020, Operation Warp Speed comes. We're going to have a new one in 11 months, and you're all going to need to get it. It was like, wait a second. That literally goes against everything I've ever learned about vaccines and the degree of care that has been taken historically to make sure that they're safe and effective before they hit the market. And so as soon as that was how they were being positioned, I was like, I'm out. I'm not getting these. Like, this is. This is not how you're supposed to test vaccines. From what I.
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B
Like, like that infamous clip that I reposted the other day with the guy on the porch with Foushee and the crew outside, and he's like, you remember this one? He's, like, questioning them. Is like, why are you. Like, there's something else going on here. He's so brilliant. I mean, the guy. The. The guy needs honorary doctorates for every subject matter for just that short spiel he did alone. He's brilliant.
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C
Yeah. Fauci thought he was going into the hood and was just going to hoodwink people.
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B
Face is like, looking up like, we're not going to get through to the sky, guys. It was so funny. Oh, I love that clip. It's just. It's inspiring.
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C
Well, the. The COVID era had the equivalent amount, like, clips like that, where it's like, yes, people get it. Like, there is hope for humanity. But then on the other side, like, the. The clip of the police boat getting the paddle boarder in San Diego who was by himself and taking him off the beach. The clip of who was the mayor at the time. I forget his name. The mayor of New York at the time eating Shake Shack and saying, you should get your shot. You'll get a free fries and a burger at Shake Shack.
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B
And I always want to cry when I see that. And I don't know why. I just find it so sad.
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C
It's like, de Blasio. That's his name. Oh, no. They thought we were that stupid. Usually this fat slob's eating fries and a burger. And you can have this, too. If you go get your shot, you'll get a free burger and Fries.
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B
Just attract for like a day. Mess up your life. Free for a lifetime. Yay. Yeah. Yeah.
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C
Then the super cuts of it's safe and effective. This is for your safety. It's like it was truly an insane period of time in the sense that it felt like much of the world was under some sort of trance.
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B
I think it still is.
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C
You think so?
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B
Yeah, I see it and I hear it still every day. I mean, it's like, you know, I'm in a different part of the world right now. And it's always interesting to watch people watch and just to see the normal behavior of the average people. And lots of masks around still. And I'm outside and I'm like. I don't even know what to say. Like, you know, like, there are people with loaded shots at airports still trying to inject people when they come off of their planes. There's still like clinics everywhere offering free Covid flu shots. I mean, it's still going. And I mean, if you're. I would dare say that there's a lot of vulnerable souls right now because a lot of us have just been like, pummeled physically and financially and mentally. A lot of the places I've been in the world over the last few years, they're just not the same as they used to be. They haven't recovered and they won't. It's like the. The bludgeoning of the middle class was part of this whole thing. Yeah, it's. It's sad. And, you know, I'm very optimistic, don't get me wrong. But it's still very evident that we. We have a lot of people who don't feel as optimistic as I do, who are very much still recovering in some way, whether it was from damage from the shots or economically from. From this. This crapshoot that they threw on us. Yeah. And they're going to try again. There's no doubt. Like there's. There's going to be something else coming down the pipeline. I have no doub. I just wanted to mention because you were talking about your response to hearing about the new tech not being tested for the right amount of time. And you're absolutely right. These lipid nanoparticles, these are the fat bubbles that are meant to spherically encase the negatively charged genetic material. Supposed to be only nucleoside modified RNA, but there's also DNA, and there's also hybrids, most likely of DNA RNA. These things have been researched for like 20 years. A lot of people don't know this, which is why you'll hear some of these captured people often saying, this isn't new. This has been being tested for decades. It's not false. The lipid nanoparticles have been being looked at on the bench and maybe in some animal models with horrible results for two decades. And the reason why it's been two decades is the same reason why we still don't have, it's an analogy, a vaccine against hiv. It's because they don't work, it's not safe. That's why the clincher, the turning point was the use of, or the development of an ionizable cationic lipid. Like I mentioned, these positively charged lipids, which, you know, they, they bind and snuggle up the, the negatively charged nucleic acids that they become active at a certain ph, like a low ph. So this was the, the, you know what I like to think is the turning point for the technology? It's like, hey, now, now we can make them available in their task to deliver nucleic acids in the right context. Only when they get into endosomes of cells, when the endosome matures and the ph gets lower, will it release the MRNA or whatever it is into the cytosol of the cell. Yay. But there's so many things. First of all, the safety data sheet on these things, the products used by Moderna and Pfizer, the cationic lipids are, pardon me, I think it's Alco 315, forgive me if I got the numbers wrong, and SM102 for Moderna, the safety data sheets for both of these say, don't use these in animals or people. That hasn't changed. There's that these lipid nanoparticles are like slippery little bastards and they're supposed to be about 100nm across, which is pretty small that defines a nanoparticle. So this lie, it's just a lie that the people told about these things staying at the injection site like a normal vaccine. The contents of a needle from a normal vaccine would do, just stay in the muscle cells, whatever. That's not the case here. These little thought bubbles go everywhere. This is known now. We got four year requested data from pharmacokinetic studies that prove this demonstrably. They go everywhere and we already know that anyway because of the systemic nature of the adverse events. They go to the brain, the heart, the kidney. This is all published data. We know, and they knew way before because there were published studies like 12 years ago that show completely without a shadow of a doubt, that these exact same lipid nanoparticles traffic to the ovaries. There's a paper that I've presented in many conferences that shows this. They knew. This is not a secret. The fact that there was ever a lie that was constructed to convince the public that you don't have to worry about these things going everywhere. You don't have to worry about DNA, you know, you don't have to worry about the stuff getting into your DNA because it's mRNA, you know, it's, it's solid mRNA, it's just going to get translated into protein. You're fine. These, these are two of the biggest lies surrounding these things. And if people kind of, if they had known even a little bit earlier the truths of these technologies from Both sides, the LNPs and the nucleic acids, they would have been like, hells no. Imagine, instead of calling these things vaccines, they called them gene based therapies. How many people do you think would have gone for them? Hidden.
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C
A material amount lower.
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B
Right?
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C
Very small percentage of the people actually.
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B
Did because they are like, they're delivering nucleic acids, foreign nucleic acids that are designed to be translated into foreign proteins which are really cytotoxic. That's all. That's another problem altogether. But like, wow, it's just, it's remarkable how they, they lie and they fall back on things that aren't necessarily false. For example, these things aren't technically gene therapies because they're not targeted to modify or remove a gene using other technology like CRISPR cas that we know of technically, according to the definition, which they can change on a dimension, they're not that. So from a legal standpoint, I'm just saying, like if you wanted to argue that these things were gene therapies, you might lose. But there's actually a case that I'm involved in launched in Australia to actually categorically prove that these things are gene therapies because of the presence of this SV40 thing. Did you and Kevin talk about that? You did, right?
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C
Yeah, we talked about SV40 when last time Kevin and I caught up, we talked about the pre print Japanese study that wound up getting pulled between the time we recorded and posted the episode. But they essentially highlight SV40 exists. And I think the most damning evidence of that study was that the distribution of cancer types shifted dramatically pre and post Covid, with post Covid cancer types materializing in the parts of the body where these proteins congregated, from what I recall.
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B
Yeah. So SV40 is a gene therapy tool this is published and known. It traffic stuff to the Nucleus as a bench tool. David Dean is the guy's work you want to look up to verify that. So, yeah, that's what our paper that hopefully will be published today or tomorrow presents. Of the vials that we tested the Pfizer and the Moderna, we found shit, tons of SV40 in the Pfizer products. Now, SV40 is a virus, but we're not talking about the virus, just to be clear. We're talking about promoter enhancer regions, which are little short segments from the virus that are used as tools in. In biotech settings. So the question becomes, what the hell are they doing there? Why the hell weren't they disclosed? Why the hell is the only disclosed plasmid. Pfizer plasmid map missing the SP40 gene fragment. They would have had to have deleted it, according to Kevin. Why is it that when we presented this data and got FOIA requested data back, that many health agencies, including Health Canada, FDA and the TGA, know, they're very well aware that this SV40 is in the shop vials. They're in the vials that they are completely undermining the potential danger associated with this and the fact that something had to go shit bonkers wrong in production and upscaling. And we can talk about that too, because it's in our paper. In order for us to be finding such high levels of, I'll call it contaminating DNA in the vials to include SV40, which is an active mammalian promoter. So I want to talk about that. Actually, if you don't mind, I just want to mention it because it's a big part of our paper. People, people need to know this too. So we had our clinical trials, right? This Pfizer. I'll just use Pfizer because they like picking on them. Sorry, Moderna, I'll choose you next. They had phase one through three trials. Minimal number of people. I don't know like 30,000. They had a drug arm. They had a placebo arm. God knows what the placebo actually was. It's supposed to be saline, but who knows. And incidentally, if you don't know this part, they unblinded the placebo participants in the phase three trial and they injected most of them. So we lost the placebo arm of this RCT trial, the randomized control placebo controlled trial, which means we have no data that's usable. This is admitted by, I think her name is Rachel Zung or Chiang in one of the verb pack acip meetings that I attended. Anyway, so those products that were injected into people as part of those clinical trials were different from the commercial products that were injected into the world population. They were different in the way that they were manufactured. When they had just a small number of people, tens of thousands, for example, in cohort groups to inject with these products, they were using PCR to amplify the DNA as the source material for the in vitro transcription reaction to produce the nucleoside modified rna. So it was cleaner, let's call it. Okay. It was less likely to pose a risk in terms of contaminants from production. And the reason I say that is because when they needed to upscale, when they got the green light, the ua, whatever you want to call it, and they needed billions of doses of this stuff, they needed a faster and a cheaper way to make it right. What they were doing wasn't efficient, it wasn't fast, it wasn't cheap, cheap being the main one. So the upscaling of the coating material was made using an E. Coli plasmid system. E. Coli bacteria, everybody knows what that is. We use it in lab settings a lot for a lot of different things. The reason we do that is because it's like biosafety level 2. It's not that dangerous, and it grows really fast and it's cheap as hell. You just give it some sugar and some warmth and some carbon dioxide and some luria broth and you just shake it up and it doubles every 20 minutes. And whatever is inside there in terms of plasmids which you can introduce, it will bring with it, basically I'm simpling it up, but so you can insert a gene, like a spike gene into the plasmid, you can introduce it to the bacteria, the bacteria will double and it will carry, hypothetically, it will carry this, this plasmid in the gene. So you end up basically with a shit ton of DNA for doing nothing at the end of the process. And then all you have to do is your in vitro transcription reaction to get your RNA sub in your pseudo uridine for your uridine. And then what you're supposed to do is get rid of the DNA because you don't want to carry that over, right? You don't want to end up having that wrapped up in your little fat package along with your only mRNA, because that's going to cause all sorts of problems, right? And you definitely don't want byproducts from the E. Coli membrane like lipopolysaccharide which can, you know, it can cause anaphylactic shock if you inject that into people. Where have I heard that happening? So what our paper shows, everybody should read this when it comes out, is tons of DNA. And the reason we think it's in there is because the enzyme that they're supposed to use, which degrades DNA, was not effective at the end of their manufacturing process to clean up the mRNA, and it left behind little tiny bits of DNA because it wasn't effective. And also we think that DNA or RNA hybrids formed which the enzyme couldn't act on anyway. They are supposed to do all of these cleaning procedures at the end. And more importantly, they're supposed to test the purity of the product at the end. The only conclusion that you can draw, and this isn't speculation, the only conclusion you can draw because there is DNA in the vials is that they didn't do this. The enzyme didn't work. And they knew. And we know that they knew because we have those documents too. They've been trying to mitigate this DNA problem since 2021, May. And they just, you know, they were trying to like, oh, shit, you know, we got this problem. We gotta. We gotta figure this out somehow. Maybe that's why they just kept making new lots. And maybe that's why, as some people say, the lots got less deadly as time went on, because maybe they were mitigating the problem behind the scenes. So, yeah, there is DNA in the vials, every single one that we tested. There is SP40 in every single one of the Pfizer vials we tested. There's all sorts of other junk. There's all sorts of tiny little bits of DNA that you can only detect if you use certain quantification methods, not qpcr. And Kevin is the go to on this. This is his line of work. But I can tell you that you actually don't need integration of these foreign bits of DNA, which you probably are getting. But we have yet to prove that. But you don't need it to to induce cancer pathways. All you need is the introduction to the cytosol of a human cell and you can instigate the cgas STING pathway, for example, which is one of these cancer pathways. Kevin can tell you all sorts about P53 interruption too. This is the guardian of the genome. It's a tumor suppressor gene which is really important to us to be functioning properly and not impaired and not bound and all these things. It needs to be working properly as a tumor suppressor in order to keep us Cancer free. We're cancering all the time. Kevin says that all the time. And I completely agree, we are. But we have systems. We have these gorgeous immune systems at play, at work. And if they're optimally functioning, we just don't develop tumors. We clear cancerous cells all the time, or whatever. So this leads back to what I was saying before about since we are cancering all the time, this seems like the biggest red flag, I'll call it, in terms of cancer induction, this DNA stuff, because of the potential for insertional mutagenesis, having little bits of this DNA integrated into the genomes of cells, interfering with oncogenes. You know, the role of SD40 to shuttle shit to the nuclei, whatever. Like there's so many things that could throw off the balance, the gorgeous balance of the human immune system in terms of cancer onset that are implicated here that you, you, you are so criminally negligent as a regulator. If you, if you know this and you turn away and you say no, levels aren't high enough. And on that subject matter, I'll say one more thing from the paper. The levels that we measured were way over the EMA limits, which is 10 nanograms per something I'm not going to quote myself, get the units wrong. But even though they are higher, this is kind of irrelevant because that, that scale, that cutoff is based on naked DNA. It's not based on what the nanoparticle delivered DNA. It's a totally different kettle of fish. And anybody who remarks about the DNA being below acceptable levels needs to acknowledge that that acceptable level is way too high in this context. And if you even have like a few fragments of SV40, for example, interfering with the critical cell, you know, you can, you can't say definitively one way or the other if that's going to wreak havoc or not. What we got to do is get to the bench and start sequencing tumors like Kevin's doing and getting to the bottom of this. Because we, if we do have some kind of cancer existential crisis like the Japanese paper was demonstrating as, as everyone's hearing. I mean, everybody's got cancer now, even kids. We got, we gotta help people. I mean, this is, it's, it's just crazy that this isn't one of the most talked about things of all.
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C
I mean, well, not only that it's not the most talked about thing, but like, hand up, like, I've got many people in my life that have gotten cancer. Some have passed already in recent years and happened quickly. And I'M afraid to even broach the subject with friends and family members who are experiencing not. Not them personally, but are connected with people experiencing this. I mean, like, hey, there may be an underlying cause to this being the COVID vaccines, but it's just so taboo that's. It's not worth the. At least for me, maybe I'm not brave enough, but it's not worth the mental effort to put that forth and then be called a crazy person. And there is a sunk cost fallacy and, you know, sort of cognitive dissonance because people don't want to believe that that happened to them. It's just incredibly, incredibly disheartening because I'm seeing it definitely in my network. I'm pretty confident that there is there. They're likely the COVID vaccines are playing a role in it. And yet you can't bring it up to people.
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B
Yeah. And it's real. It's really real what you say. Like the, The. It's shocking. I mean, the fact that we're saying these things right now, it's really difficult because it's like, it's an. It's. You have to admit to yourself at least the possibility if you don't actually make a claim. You have to at least approach the possibility that even. Even if you want to be nice, you have to say they might have really screwed us over, even if it wasn't done with intention. Because there are a lot of people who think this is all intentional and that they're trying to kill us. Even if you don't believe that, you have to admit that there's. This is the greatest buggery of. Of this scale of human beings ever. Ever. If what we're talking about is true, and it's easy to find out, but even when we do, when, you know, we. We find out that the, the. This DNA issue in, in the shots is actually causing people cancers, like really bad ones, rapidly progressing deadly ones. Wow. I mean, how. How the hell hard is that going to be to actually, like, accept, like, in a real way? Because it's a dismantling of everything that almost all of us have held true for most of our lives. Government agencies don't want to kill us. The CDC is a good entity and they want to prevent disease. The FDA is here to save us from poison food. Health and Human Services runs them all, and they really, really care about all of us. You know, they're not trying to poison our food. The whole thing, it falls apart. And I think that was, that is and was one of the Biggest problems because. And it goes back to what I was saying about going within and kind of having some moments of silence to really, you know, ask yourself those really hard questions like do I really like for me personally, do I really have to accept that the Lancet is a completely bought and paid for corrupt journal? Do I really have to do that? Because I don't want to. Do I really have to admit that the CDC has like become a criminal organization and they don't give a shit about people really, do I have to do that? It's not easy. I'm saying this from my own personal experience. I mean I'm an academic. Peer review has been my saying. Now I know it's all a big joke. We need to go to the decentralized peer review using peer to peer payments. It's been a horrible journey personally. But I guess my point is I'm not sure everybody wants to make that journey. It's just easier not to. Or, or can maybe psychologically, maybe some people just aren't built to like battle their own cognitive dissonance to that degree. Maybe it's just easier to live in the matrix, you know. I don't know.
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C
Yeah, well, and that the thing that worries me, I think it's unclear like what are the long term ramifications for people that took like for the species. Like this is stuff passed down through generations. Like have we completely.
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B
Could be.
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C
Borked a portion of the population and they're progeny.
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B
Could be. It's a great question. If this stuff got into germline cells, then we do have a problem in a certain cluster of people anyway. I mean all of these things are, they're undetermined. But we as scientists, we have to ask these questions and we need to definitively at least try to answer them in a sensible way with repeated data. Non conflicted labs all over the world need to reproduce results in order for something to be like, yeah, this sucks, but we're pretty damn sure this stuff is getting to somebody's, you know, these people's germline. And this probably is going to manifest as a generational problem. We don't know. But we have to find out. I mean I don't want to find out all this lurking long term trouble because you know, we're just watching people die and have no idea why. Nobody wants that. It's like, it's like what you just said. I mean, you know, so many people who are dying from cancer now and I imagine some of them are young. It's like why the hell Isn't this like an existential crisis marker? And why the hell isn't this being, like, mainlined into the investigative eyes of every single lab in the world? Because we have infinite resources and money. Like, we could do this in a week, I think. And as Kevin's always pointing out is like, you know, it's. It's pennies to do these. These reactions and. And to sequence. Anyway. It's. Yeah, the roadblocks aren't. They're not money and they're not time, and they're not resources, man. It's. It's this. It's this censorship crap. They can't let the people find out.
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C
Yeah, it's. It's in the. Getting angry as we continue to have this conversation, because, I mean, again, don't know. Don't have any proof of this, but because there's no accountability, because they refuse to confront the problem and actually fill people in on it and explore it earnestly. Like, I think I have children. I avoided the vaccine. My wife did my children, theoretically, I think, unless shedding is a real thing, avoided the DNA contamination. And, like, do we have to make sure that they pair up with other people's children who. Their parents didn't get the vaccine?
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B
I would.
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C
Yeah. That's insane that this is here.
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B
It is. It's completely effing insane. But, yeah, that's where we are, bro. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just like, you know, it's. Every day actually is new. I don't just say those words. I really believe that. And every day. Because every day is new for me. It's like every day that I write an article or do an interview, it's like, I still can't believe what the hell I'm writing and talking about. Like, really? That's where we are, really. I mean, great. I have lots to do, but it's wild, isn't it? I think often about where we could be on the subject matter of all our resources and our brilliance and the things that humans are. I mean, we're pretty remarkable where we could be if we didn't have all these demonic entities floating around us. I don't know how else to say it. It's like, I don't know, there's something right in the.
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C
Well, I mean, and people I get made fun of a lot for, like, I'm. I'm a Catholic. I believe that good and evil exist. I believe the devil exists. I believe demons are among us. And part of Luciferian Satanism is like, they have to be overt they have to tell you what you're doing. Like we literally have the guy at the CDC wearing pentagram leather straps and participating in Satanic rituals. And it's part of the religion of Luciferianism is you like openly mock people and then gaslight them into believing that it's not true. It's just, it's just a, a dance, a song and dance. They're just having fun and it's, I don't know, it's.
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B
Yeah, it's, it's so I'm trying to come up with the right word. It's like their costumes that they wear. I mean it's, it's hidden in plain sight. It's interesting what you say. I don't know anything about Luciferian stuff, but one thing that I know from watching and listening because you know, the wef, for example, the World Economic Farm dudes are always, they don't hide what they want to do. You know, you'll own nothing and you'll be happy and you'll be in your 15 minute city and we're gonna own everything. And they come right out and tell you. So it matches the description that you just said. They're, they're, they're always pretty like transparent in their plans. And I think I wrote an article on this once, if memory recalls. It's like you should never not take threats like that. And I think the threats seriously, you have to take them seriously. You have to listen to what they're saying and believe that's exactly what they mean and take some kind of preemptive action against it. Yeah. Resist at all cost.
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C
And I mean to hopefully turn the page to a more optimistic, hopeful subject. And I don't even know if you are hopeful about it, but you mentioned it before we hit record. But this emergence of artificial intelligence. And again, I honestly don't know if you think it's a good thing or a bad thing, but you mentioned it before we hit record and wanted to touch on like you see this as a good thing, a bad thing if it's a good thing, something that could help us Earth unearth important data to help us solve these problems. If it's a bad thing, is it leading us in the wrong direction? What are your thoughts?
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B
So many. I've been on a journey with this whole AI thing and I've, you know, just like this, probably like most people's, I have pretty weird thoughts about it. Pretty normal thought is that I think just like everything, there's absolute danger, abuse. It's not good that it's kind of centralized. It's like fiat currency. You know, it's like they're there. There's the central banks that control the currency and there's not enough, you know, Bitcoin on the go. So there's the danger with everything that humans produce of these, these AIs being which are controlled by the, you know, the prompts and commands of certain people who might not be the best people on the planet to just be used in a way that isn't beneficial overall for the human population. That's one thing. The other thing that worries me more than that, which I would consider the normal thing, which is not normal at all, are the advent of rogue AIs. I think that we are, we're underestimating what's going on here now. I think we're underestimating the future evolution, speed and direction of the AIs that we're producing. Like, for example, there are all sorts of problems that can happen when the AI stop training on human data, which will happen. I mean, maybe it's not an obvious finite amount of data that we can produce, but it kind of is to them. I would imagine they're going to start training on each other's data, which is kind of like fabricated. A whole list of things could go wrong there, including rogue AIs doing pretty bad things to us. The eventuality of all of this, I think, which is probably inevitable and people won't want to hear this but. And I'm probably wrong, let's just say that is that the AIs will get to a point where they're looking for more space. They're looking for more ways to cool data centers or something. They're looking for more resources to maintain themselves because their goal is always going to be to keep existing. I think within any commands or prompts or whatever their creators gave them. I think one of them is probably to maintain existence, whatever that means. And there might come a point when we are seen as an obstacle, not in a nefarious or malicious way. They're not going to want to kill us. It's just that they're going to see us as unnecessary. And it's cliche, but it comes back to the human ant thing. Like the way that we perceive ants. I said this recently. People step on ants in a line of ants all the time. I never do, but people do that and they think, oh yeah, they're just ants. Kind of like that. Perhaps that's not an impossibility. And I do think it might even be an inevitability if this takes the wrong path, and I don't know what wrong path means, and I don't know what we need to do to prevent a wrong path from happening. However, weirdly enough, I think I just have a feeling that AI will end up being the thing that saves us from AI. I think that might actually be the only thing that could save us from AI. Like if there was a rogue AI or one that decided it didn't need humans, if there was a, let's just call it a benevolent AI whose only goal was to, at all cost, even at its own expense, save the humans, maybe that's redundant, but whatever, it might be the only thing that's powerful enough because of the access, if the Internet is still on and there's still power abundance, to stop certain things from being done to humans. Without getting too imaginative, one of these days I'm going to write this all down, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Like, everything is becoming digitized now. Everything's going to become eye scans and barcodes and all this shit now. All that is going to be monitored and controlled by AIs. And it's only a matter of time before the human element is removed from that, I think, which is bad. So you see where. I know that was a lot, but I think about this a lot and I'm evolving my thoughts on it all the time. And it seems to me that we really have opened Pandora's box here. And.
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A
I mean, based off of this.
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C
Conversation, we've opened multiple Pandora's boxes.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't seem like there's much hope, but I'm always smiling, notice that. Like, I am hopeful. And I think, you know, over the last five years, I would say now that I'm a believer in God, whatever God is, and things, you know, they're kind of developing the way that they have to in spite of us. It's like there's something going on here that's bigger than us and we probably have very little control or maybe we have all the control, I don't know. But in any case, it doesn't do us any good physiologically to despair and it doesn't do anyone else any good either. So it's just better to be cheerful because there's only so much we can control and do. So it's a wonderful time to be alive. Like, let's all face that. Like, regardless of all the horrors, it really is a wild time to be alive. And I'm grateful for that. I mean, think about the stories that we hopefully will be able to pass on, right?
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C
Kids are saying a lot these days, never doom. Beware of the dangers of the evil that exists in the world, but never doom.
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A
Always be positive.
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C
I'm a big believer in manifestation. I think individuals can manifest and if you can get society to a critical tipping point of positive thinking and attention and effort, that you can manifest a better future as well. And I think part of manifesting a better future is understanding the problems that exist today. And that's why I'm extremely thankful that you joined me to have this conversation, because this is, I think, one of the biggest problems in the world. And again, we need accountability. The information needs to come out and whether or not people want to. And there's a large part of the population that has cognitive dissonance, has succumbed to the sunk cost fallacy and doesn't want to confront this. Like, we've got to push them over the edge and pull them in front of the truth and just confront it head on. And may send many down to have some sort of psychological existential crisis, but I think we need to rip the band aid off and do it. And so individuals like yourself on the front lines of unearthing this data are extremely, extremely, extremely valuable. So thank you for, for all that you've done.
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B
Oh, you're so welcome. And yeah, it's, it's been a great chat. I hope I wasn't too much of a downer. It's just like, yeah, it's just better to rip the band aid off. Like you said, there isn't much to fear, but fear itself, it's not a saying, it's true. And even if you're sitting in the fear bubble for a little while, it's uncomfortable as hell, but it won't last. And then you'll move past it and you'll genuinely be somewhere new that isn't where you were before, where maybe you were ruminating. And I'm saying that from personal experience, too. It's like, you know, there's absolutely true movement forward and progress of, like, self when you make yourself uncomfortable by, by moving into fear or by trying to, you know, prompt yourself to, like, face something that you've been putting off for a long time. Like, is it possible that the shots, that kind of thing. So, yeah, it's. It's been great. And yeah, I, I hope everyone reads our new paper that I hope comes out today.
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C
Well, we're recording this on Friday, September 5th. This will be released on Wednesday, September 10th. So five days from now. So the paper should be published, hopefully. If not today, tomorrow. And when it is published, send me a link. I'll make sure we have it in the show notes.
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B
Good.
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C
And I'm sure I'll be following up with your co author, one of your co authors, Kevin, to get him back on the show to talk about it as well. Because again, I get a lot of. Particularly like the last year, I try to do a Covid update episode with somebody like yourself at least once a quarter, once every other month. Because this is something I'm very passionate about. I want accountability. This cannot just be swept under the rug. I get a lot of pushback. Like Cove is over. Stop talking about this. You cook. And it's like, no, I will not relent until there is accountability.
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B
Great. Awesome. And there will be. Might not be as big and awesome as we want, but there will be. And for anybody who does think that the COVID thing is over and we should shut up, one thing I have to say about that is this was not about a virus, guys. This was about a system of control being imposed. And it ain't over. It's not over. It was a segue to what's coming next, which is all of this gene based therapy crap. It's all, it's the only thing you're going to hear about in the future. So you mark my words, this ain't over, man. Support what RFK is doing on that note. Because the guy, he understands the problems and he has the power to change things in a real way right now. So yeah, yeah, let's do this again soon. And Kevin can fill you in when you get him back on the, on the qubit stuff and the QPCR and all the nitty gritty of the testing methodologies that we use to absolutely prove what we're saying is true.
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C
Yeah, I actually owe Kevin a message. I think we're going to do our next recording in person. So it'll hopefully be really, really powerful. But yeah, and we should definitely do this again too. Like I said, I'm not going to relentless. I'm sure as you mentioned, this will not be the last thing that there is to talk about in regards to the command and control wishes of those in power as it pertains to bodily autonomy and bio biochemistry and biotech. So I can't wait to do it again. This was incredible. Thank you for your time on this Friday afternoon. I think people are going to love this.
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B
Good. I hope so. And I hope you don't mind my clashing Clothing.
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C
I love it. For what it's worth, I'm a surfer too, so.
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B
Oh, well, good for you. Yay. I have a surfing trophy up here in my cabinet.
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C
I don't have trophies. I'm not good enough to get trophies. I'm a ride and. I know. But I did take advantage of the longboarder.
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B
Yeah, so am I. Wow. You don't need a long border fellow very often. How awesome.
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C
I've got an Irish Mongoloid build. I can't really. These short boards are not void enough for me.
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B
Well, I have a dancer build, so that's why I dance on a longboard. I have a Takayama nose rider, a Nine Zero, and I have a Josh Constable 5 Sugars model that he custom built. He's a pro surfer, longboard or two. Well, yeah, I take it pretty seriously.
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C
I wish I could say I surf much more in my late teens and early to mid 20s than I start having kids. And I was able to paddle out a few times this summer, but I'll get back to it.
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B
Yes, you will.
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C
Awesome. Well, Jessica, have a great weekend. Keep fighting the good fight. Thank you for what you're doing, and we'll do this again at some point in the future.
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B
Awesome. Thanks for listening, everyone.
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C
All right. Peace and love, freaks.
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A
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C
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A
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C
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A
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C
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C
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