Chelsea sits down with authors Tracy Dobmeier and Wendy Katzman to explore their novel Ten Thousand Light Years from Okay and what it means to be “better but not okay”—that space where life is moving forward, but your heart still carries the weight of grief, heartbreak, or uncertainty. We dive into unexpected heartbreak and how to move forward fearlessly when grief has robbed you of your invincibility. We also explore the gap between progress and pain, the individual path of healing, and the sustaining power of friendship in carrying you through grief. Whether you’re navigating heartbreak, a life shift, or just the overwhelm of being human, this episode reminds you that it’s okay to not be okay—and that feeling this way is part of breaking upward.

Tracy Dobmeier and Wendy Katzman:

Website: https://www.dobmeierkatzman.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katzndobs

Amazon: Ten Thousand Light Years from Okay

Chelsea Leigh Trescott:

Email: chelsea@breakupward.com

Instagram: https://instagram.com/thankyouheartbreak

Advice Column: https://www.huffpost.com

Writing: https://thoughtcatalog.com/chelsea-leigh-trescott