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1KHO 621: Every Child is a Blessing | Sarah Gabel Seifert, Every Life
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Thank you so much for having me. It's an honor.
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So everylife is this fantastic company. Like, you're helping with diapers. It was like, it started there, and these are healthier for the body. And then you've expanded into a line of products for women, which. I don't know if this is actually true or not, but I have this impression in my mind that products for women were made by men and, like, not. Am I wrong? I don't know the history there. Or, like, I always think about it in terms of Spanx. So there's, you know, the company with, like, the undergarments, and. And, you know, she's like, well, who's actually the one who's deciding, like, how this fits? And, you know, what are we gonna wear? And. And so you're like, well, you really want women to be involved in these types of products and decisions. So can you talk about everylife and. And how it's unique and where the idea came from?
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Absolutely. So Every Life started about two years ago, so we're pretty new to the market. But we launched because we found out, unfortunately, a group of parents, that every single major diaper company on the market today is supporting abortion, either vocally or financially. Many of these companies, Huggies, Pampers, they are matching employee contributions to Planned Parenthood. You have Coterie, who's the most luxurious brand on the market that's lamenting over Roe v. Wade being overturned. You have hello, Bellow, who's matching, again, employee contributions to Planned Parenthood and paying for their employees to go travel and abort their babies. And the list goes on and on and on. And I was actually pregnant at the time with my first child, and I started to look into these baby brands. And, Jenny, I was absolutely shocked to discover this. I didn't even think I would need to look to see if a diaper company was supporting my own child's Life. So you can imagine sitting on the sidelines, I'm thinking someone who's really passionate about spending my dollars in alignment with my pro Life, pro family values. I was heartbroken. And I told my husband, I said, we cannot sit on the sidelines and be okay with this. We felt a conviction, really, to show up and be the alternative, the hopeful solution. And so we launched Every Life, and we are the first and only Pro life diaper company on the market today, believe it or not. And our mission is so clear and so simple. We just believe that every child is a gift from God, deserving of love, protection, and celebration. And we provide premium, clean, pure ingredients for parents so they can get the quality and know that it's going to perform, but also know with a blessed assurance that when they come to Every Life and shop our diapers, our wipes, our training pants, and we'll get to the women's line in just a moment, they can know that they're not only getting great products that are going to work for their families, but they're also championing a business that stands for their child's life that believes that motherhood is such a beautiful, wonderful thing. And we give back. We give back to moms. We are partnered with thousands of pregnancy resource centers across the US that are helping moms choose life. We've donated over 6 million diapers now so we can help those moms with the essentials that they need to be set up for success and parenthood. And so I'm so passionate about the work that we're doing because we're serving families across the U.S. but we're also helping moms Choose Life with our products every single day. So that's a little bit about Every Life. And I'll stop there because I'm sure I could go on and on. But it's. It's an honor, truly, and a privilege to be able to lead this company. And I feel like we're just getting started.
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Well, yeah, you're just getting started because it's only been around for two years. I think what's remarkable about that, Sarah Gable, is that I think there are a lot of younger adults that maybe are starting to enter the workforce or been in the workforce for a short period of time. And they would say things like, I cannot find a company to work for that aligns with my values. You know, you hear people say that, and that's actually pretty heartbreaking because you spend a lot of your time at work and a lot of your time within the value systems of that company, whatever that company is. And so I think it's super inspiring when you can't find what you're looking for, that you can start it yourself. And to say that in just two years you've already donated 6 million diapers, that is remarkable. Can you give a message of inspiration to someone who cannot find what they're looking for to kind of inspire them to make it themselves?
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Yeah, absolutely. And usually when you find a hole in the market like we did, it's a sign that there's something there. And there's a reason that I believe God is showing you that. I have a faith in God. And for me, when we discovered this issue, it was very clear to me that God was laying this burden on my heart, really breaking my heart for what breaks his, because he so loves and cherishes every life. He is the creator and the sustainer of life. So of course, when you have these brands that are not supporting his people, I mean, I, I was not surprised that God was showing me this, this really big issue. And I, I couldn't sit, sit back and say, I'm just going to let this pass by. And so I would encourage you that if you're seeing a problem, there's probably a reason that you're seeing it. And I would say press in. And, and for me, it started with prayer. You know, I, I went before God and said, look, if, if you're showing me this for me to do something about it, then I need your grace, I need your wisdom, I need your discernment to be discernment, to be able to step into this space because it's an, it's a new endeavor. It's. It's something I've, I've never embarked upon before. And it's a little scary, it's a little intimidating. But I, I felt a piece, I felt a yes from God. And so that's, that's what I did. So I would just encourage those that maybe have, have been irked by something or they're frustrated by a societal issue, or it's a similar situation where you're noticing there's a product that you so desperately want in your home, but it does not exist. Like, go, go do something about it. There's a reason that you're feeling that pain. And we're, we actually are called to be a part of the arena. We're a part, we're supposed to be a part of change. And so I'm encouraged that so many people I do believe are seeing that they have a part to Play today, now more than ever. And so I hope if there's a mom out there that's listening to this, they feel encouraged to, to start, start with prayer. That would be my encouragement. But even just bring in mentors, bring in your family, bring in your friends, pitch the idea to them, see what they have to say. Maybe find a mentor that's in the space that's gone before you, that can speak into what you're experiencing and get started. Because if not today, like, who's going to do it? Like there's a reason, There's a reason you're seeing it.
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Yeah, they have a part to play. And your life could be remarkably different in two years. Two years, you know, you could have been the one that's, you know, spearheading something that's donating 6 million diapers to moms and, and families that are in need. So I, I think that that is remarkably inspiring. We have five kids and yesterday we had over two friends and one has five kids and one has seven. So it's a party, It's a party. I love it with all these kids and we love having a big family. I know that five, I mean, some people wouldn't consider five even to be a big family, but you know, people have 6 kids and 10 kids and 12 kids and. But there are so many blessings to all the interpersonal relationships. And I was talking with one of the moms yesterday that was over and her fourth and fifth are like five and one. And so that we've got this little mini trampoline and the one the, the five year old Sarah gave would pick up the one year old and she would put that one year old on this mini trampoline and then she would put her legs on the outside and she would jump. And the little one year olds being bounced around just having the time of her life. The time of her life. And I think sometimes you think, gosh, you get down to kid four, five, three, whatever it is, and you're like they're going to have less parental interaction. And that's true. You know, there is going to be less parental interaction, but there is so much vibrancy there. And we were talking about how the first kid didn't get to be bounced around on the trampoline like that. I mean, they were having so much fun because all these kids. And it is interesting that we live in this society where people are pushing back so much on motherhood and babies and this cultural message to wait. And it's, it's wild to me because I Think it's like the best part of life. So can you talk about that cultural messaging? Where did it come from? What's the problem with it? And what should we know instead?
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Yeah. Oh, man, I love what you just shared. And I got chills thinking about the beauty of that picture that you were so beautifully describing between the older sibling and the younger sibling. Actually have heard from a great friend who has seven kids as well, that it actually gets easier in some ways with more children because you have more help, you have more hands, and it's just a beautiful life. And I actually aspire. One of my greatest role models is this family because my husband and I are hoping and praying we'll have many kids. We're at 2 right now, but I think that's a beautiful picture. And I do think that it's sad today that there are so many messages from brands, from companies, from social media, the media in general that is telling women that. That children are a burden and that motherhood is going to strip you away from being able to go after your dreams, your goals, your desires. And really what I believe, and really what we're saying at every life is that it's the opposite, that a child is an absolute blessing and that being a mom is the greatest role in the entire world. Like, I would put my job aside and my career aside, in a sense. Second, just to be able to. To be with my kids, if that's what I felt God wanted me to do. And in a second, I would do it, because there's nothing better. There's nothing better than. Than seeing your kids being raised up and them discovering new things for the first time and just the joy that they bring in the house, their laughter. I. I love being a mother. And I think that the last thing I'll say on this note, and I could go on and on, but the fact that our birth rate today is as low as it is, right. We're. We're facing a birth rate and fertility crisis. We're at 1.62 babies per woman. In order for us to have a lasting, sustaining future for our nation, we need that replacement rate to be at 2.1 babies per woman. And that's a problem. That's a really big problem that we're under that replacement rate right now. So we're seeing families you mentioned. You know, some would say five isn't a lot, but. But many would say that's crazy. How are you even thinking about having five kids, seven kids?
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That's the best.
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It is. I love it. And I'M so inspired by that. Like, you're an inspiration to me because of that. But, you know, there's many that say they stop at one. Stop at you, or just choosing to not have any at all. I mean, 44%, Jenny, of Young people today are saying that they are considering not having children at all. 44%.
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What? Yeah.
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And. And a lot of that, even 23% of that 44% are saying that, yeah, it's a problem. And I don't think people are talking about it enough. And so you ask question.
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I interrupted that. Okay. Because I was shocked. 23%. That was. That was your next step.
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The 23%. Many of the 23% is the amount of the young people today that are choosing to not have children because of their concerns of climate control and the issues of our climate and thinking that children are bringing too many carbon emissions into the world, that they're actually a cancer to society, that they're a threat to our climate. And that's a. That's a big message, this overpopulation, control ideology that is really plaguing young people today. Again, many aren't talking about it, but we did a campaign about almost two years ago, right after we launched EveryLife. It was called Make More Babies. And it was all about this issue of young people believing that there's too many people in this world. And we were trying to send a counter message that actually we need more children in this world, not less. So we blew up a whole billboard in Times Square and we took a tweet from Elon Musk that said, having children is saving the world. We blew it up on that billboard. We said, make more babies. Make more babies. And it went viral. I mean, it went everywhere. It got us into the mainstream. And I believe it took off because we were talking about this issue and we were interviewing these young people on the ground and asking them, hey, what do you think of this message? You are excited about having kids one day? Some very few would say, yeah, maybe one day. Maybe one day. But most would say, I'm content where I am and I'm pursuing my schooling or my career, and I'm not really interested in marriage. I'm not really interested in having children. And we had an interesting conversation with one that. That spoke to that overpopulation control issue that many people believe we have too many people in this world, which is not true. That is a complete lie. We actually need more children in order for us to have a sustaining nation. So, yes, it's a problem, and we need to be pushing back on the message. And that's exactly what we're trying to do every single day at every.
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There's a lot of interesting threads here. One of them is that you only have a certain window when you can have kids. And so when I was. The two moms were over yesterday and you know, everyone's in their mid-30s, early-40s, and there is a talk about the biological window closing. And that happens. That's how God made it. You have a certain amount of decades in your life where you are able to have children, and then there is this. Then there's the thought toward grandchildren. Right? That's where you're at at that point. So it's one of those things that I think when you're young, in your young 20s, let's say you feel like you have forever, but you don't. You only have a limited window there to have children. And I've read some statistics that if you wait to certain ages, sometimes it can be a little bit harder to get pregnant. I don't have a ton of information there or knowledge, but I do know that at certain ages, okay, you probably have more knowledge than I do. But when you're 20 or you're 24, you know, and your company maybe offers freezing eggs or they offer these different things and they're enticing you to stay in the workforce, I don't think you can necessarily have the projection to understand, well, what is life like when you're 42? What is life like when you're 55? Can you talk about the long term ramifications for, let's say, if it was 44% or 23% for those who say I'm choosing to not have children and then they reach the biological age where they just cannot anymore, how does that affect the remaining half plus of their life?
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It's a really good question. And one of my favorite quotes is from Socrates. He said, a life not evaluated is a life not worth living, which is very powerful. And I'm so thankful that at a young age, young enough, because I could have gone down that road. I could have gone down the career path, the putting that over everything. Schooling was really important to me. I was studying economics and business and I was, I was really headed down that path, but I had a pause. I found Christ in college and I. I found mentorship. I found a program that really helped me do that very thing. I paused and I said, what is most important in life? And I started to realize that this whole mindset that I had of thinking that career was everything and making money was everything. And you know, this kind of boss babe culture that's really relevant today. And many people are, are taking, taking the, the pill and swallowing it and then 40, they're 40 years old and I'm talking to some of these 40 year olds, actually many of them have discovered our brand and, and, and even some of them are friends and have said, I swallowed the pill. I thought that that was everything. And now I'm 40 years old, I'm not married, and all I want right now is to have a husband. All I want right now is to have kids running around my house. And the time clock is ticking to your point. It doesn't mean that it can't still happen, but it does get a lot more challenging. And so I would say that it's so important that people pause and say what is most important to you? What is most important? And I believe that one of the most important things that we can do in life is find God, get married and make babies. It's really simple. It's actually really simple. But it leads to the most fruit. And children are our hope. They're our legacy and they're our future. When we're gone and we're no longer here in this world, what is the one thing that continues? It's our children. And when you really think about that, it changes your whole perspective. And just becoming a parent changes your whole perspective. You know that Jenny. I mean pre kids, you know, you think some of the most minute things are so challenging and then you have kids and you're like, wow, that is nothing like having children. It stretches you, it challenges you, it makes you a better person. You're less selfish. You don't think about your me, me, me all day long. And that's the other thing is society today is very focused on self. It's all about self care. And I think like we got to have moments to tend to ourselves. I think that's important. But when it becomes all of your thoughts and it's your entire identity and all of your decisions are filtered through your own lens all the time and you're never thinking about others and never thinking about how to sacrificially give your life to your husband, lay your life down to serve him and serve the people around you, you become a person that I know I would, I wouldn't want to look like, you know. And so I think it's really important that these young people hear a different message. That actually the best way to live is laying down your life for other people to serve, to give back and to grow a family because it's the only thing that really outlasts our time here on Earth.
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That's SelectQuote.com 1000 hours I think one of the main issues is that we do parenting wrong and that's kind of why we exist. And I think I was doing parenting wrong. So Sarah Gable, I think, you know, when you become a parent, you're like, okay, how are we going to spend our time? And I went down the path of enrichment and I think that, you know, I really am a huge believer in reading and music and obviously getting outside, but that these simple things are so enriching for children and culturally you feel like, well, you got to have so much money because you're going to have to put them in French immersion class and you're, you know, you, you're gonna have to do this and do that and the other thing. And I feel that God made so that we have self care just through living slowly with our children. It is very caring for yourself to go be outside for a couple hours with your young kids and to see their delight in the natural world and to watch them grow. I don't think that there's better self care that exists to snuggle in and read books together. I mean, the, the little, the youngest kid that was over yesterday was 13 months. And she was a delight to every other kid, a total delight. She was blowing on everything. Like, I was like, why is she doing that? Like, what's going on? You know, and she's hiding and then poking out and, and I just, I thought, gosh, there's, there's nothing more delightful than this. My soul is being cared for in this moment of this, of this young child and, and how, you know, as moms, you know, the moms are talking about hardships and this financial struggle and this marital struggle and the one year old is just like happy as can be, you know, kicking things around and dropping things. And, and so there is something to be said about, especially if you can pull out of that rat race, that rat race of childhood and trust that God made kids to, to grow, to grow in a lot of ways on their own. If you, you know, can trust that and trust God's plan there, that, you know, nature, creation gives them this opportunity to grow, that you can really care for yourself well and have this vibrant life as a parent. So I think that message is not out there that this is like really fun and like this, I mean, this is the prime of life is to have these slow but really deep experiences with your family. So I, I love, I love that you're putting out another message because cultural messages are so strong. Actually, I want to talk about one that I fell into and I totally don't know where it came from. Sarah Gable. So this is interesting, but what. I'm not like super big on regrets. I'm pretty happy with like our kids and our life. And you know, we've really pushed back against the resume building childhood type thing. And now we're, we've got, you know, kids that are on the cusp of graduating high school. So I'm, I'm real happy with all that. My only regret is that I didn't have kids younger. If I could go back and do it again, I would have had kids younger. And we had our first kid at 27. I got married at 22 and a kid at 27. And the reason is because there was this cultural message, Sarah Gable that you should wait five years. And I don't know where, I don't know if that culture message is still out there. I don't know where it came from. I mean, even growing up like I did grow up in church. No one talked about it. No one talked about, like, no, you can have kids, like right away. And we've, you know, it was like, you know, you need to travel and build your marriage and you need to establish your work life. And, and I, and so our due date for our first child was on our five year anniversary and he wasn't born exactly on that day, but that's when the due date was. And I so wish that I wouldn't have had that cultural message and I don't know where it came from and I don't know why it was so strong and I don't know why I believed it. What's your advice for knowing when something is a cultural message and you shouldn't listen?
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Jenny, that's a really good question. And it's funny. Your timeline is exactly my husband and I's timeline as well. We got married in our early 20s, we waited about five years and then we, we had our first. And I tell people all the time, one of my biggest regrets is just not having our daughters sooner and starting the process we started at 27 as well. And I do, I don't know where it came from. I wish that I could pinpoint exactly this is where I heard it and this is why I heard it. But it goes to the, the, it's not like that.
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Right. It's a swirling thing that is just part of the waters that you swim in.
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Yep. Yeah, yeah. And it's great. People that were telling us, you know, it's, it's, it's not like they weren't, you know, trustworthy and, and kind people that were saying you should wait for a while to have kids, you know, you should really build your marriage and go travel and see the world. And we got to do all those things. And I'm really, really thankful for that time. And, but again, it goes back to that question that you just asked, which is what are the voices and what are the, the messages in my life that I'm listening to that actually are not leading me to the fruit that I want to see in my life? And what are the messages in my life that are. And how do I have the discernment to be able to tell which is which? And that's a, that's a tricky thing. But it goes back to, I think, you know, in your podcast, you talk a lot about slowing down and if we just get in the rat race right. Of life and we keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result, which is the definition of insanity or we're just rolling through the motions of life. And again, we never have those moments of pausing and asking those bigger questions and really thinking about how am I spending my time? What is most important right now? What, what can I be doing that's going to better our marriage or better our future? Not just right now, but let's think a little bit beyond right now. Let's think about our five year plan, our ten year plan. And I don't think that in many people in their young twenties are asking those bigger questions of life. And so I think it has to start there. And I do think, I realize, you know, maybe not everybody on your, your podcast that's listening is a believer in God. But I don't know how to answer your question without saying, like, the only way that you can know what voices are true and good and which ones are negative and dark is, is knowing who God is. Because he is the truth. He is the way, the truth and the light. He is the one who gives us the wisdom, the discernment that we need to be able to weed out all the noises and chaos of the world today. I don't know, Jenny, how people function without a faith in God, to be honest with you, because there's so much stimulation, there is so many voices, there's so much chaos happening that if I didn't have him as my center, as my, as my foundation, as my roots, as my ground, my walking would be very unstable and shaky. And I don't, I wouldn't be able to be talking right now to you, Jenny, if it wasn't for my faith in God. He is my center, he is my peace, he is my wisdom, he is my strength, he is my joy. And I, I think that that's where we have to start to be transparent is going to God and saying, I'm hearing this and I need to know from you if this is true. Show me in your word. Show me through other people, show me through my pastors, whatever it may be. That's where we have to start.
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It's really good advice because we live in a conformity engine with social media and media in general brands. It's so interesting when you brought up earlier like you were talking about the messaging that's coming from, you know, I tend to think messaging comes from media. It comes from social media, but no, it also comes from brands and companies. So these things are really strong. And even growing up, I did grow up in a Christian community, in a Christian household and, and love the word of God. From the time I was really young. So I did not filter that message of wait five years through a biblical lens. What does the Bible say? It says, behold. You know, I mean, that's like the word, right? Behold, children are a gift of the Lord. The fruit of the womb is a reward. And so if I would have taken some time, I think Sarah Gable, to pause and to take a step back and say, gosh, I'm hearing this message, like, wait five years. And does that line up with scripture? No. Who wants to wait five years for a reward? Nobody. Nobody says, oh, you got a reward for me? Just give it to me in five years.
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Right, right.
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Retirement. Another one I've been thinking about that's not in the Bible, but, wow, is that culturally strong. And that if you look into the history of that, that comes from a certain person who was trying to get certain people out of the workforce. And, you know, they make these retirement communities. I just talked to the founder of Hobby Lobby, David Green, and he was talking about how. Why. Why are you trying to, like, go. You're like, we should be going out with a bang, like, investing in people and investing in our families. Like, not picking up seashells on the beach. I mean, do that some, but don't have that be your main thing. Homeschooling is another one. You know, you're like, swimming in this cultural message, but you're like, if I were to go to scripture, would I see in there that what we're supposed to do with our kids for 13 years is to put all the second graders. With all the second graders in one adult? No, I don't think that you would see that. Right, But I didn't do that. I did not do that with the wait five years thing. And I think that we would have more children if I wouldn't have succumbed to that. And so I think this is a really important conversation, especially now. I think there's so much conformity and. And there's so many large cultural pushes that you really have to go to the word of God and say, does my thought on this line up with what the scripture says? Obviously it says, children are a gift. They are a gift of the Lord. Behold, the fruit of the womb is a reward. Can you talk about the children are burdened cultural message? What the heck? How could anybody ever really think that?
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Yeah, it's. It's tragic, but it is so out there. And. And if you even back up to marriage really quickly, there is also a very strong narrative that's being sent to young people at an early age, in their college years, and even before that, even getting married is a burden. So you back it up to. You back it up to there. And I got that message very heavily. The old ball and chain, right? Like, once you get married, you get locked in and you're no longer your own individual self, and you no longer can really go after your own goals and dreams because now you're locked in with another person, and you kind of have to lay down your life for that person and serve them. And so it's going to be restricting. It's going to. It's going to be something that weighs you down. And my goodness, I cannot tell you how grateful I am that I broke free from those narratives. And I got married young. And that's. That's one thing that I don't regret. I do not regret that getting married young. I'm so thankful that I found my spouse, that we got married right out of college and we got to figure out life together as best friends, as one.
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A
Right? Okay, let's talk about that for a minute. Because what's so interesting to me about that is I don't even necessarily feel like 22 is that young people used to get married in their teens. And so, you know, I. I have a friend, she has six kids, and she got married at 16. I mean, she's not that much older than I am. 16. She had to get permission. She. I think she had to get her parents to write her a letter. And then they're like, she's like, happily married and they've got these six kids and some are grown. So it's interesting even that, like, that shift, because 22, I think, I don't know how long ago, 50 years ago. I don't know, that might have seemed like a little bit on the older side. So it's wild how culture will change. And then, you know, I mean, I would. People, we now, they would say, well, yeah, 22 is really young. 21, 23, right out of college. That's really young. But in comparison to generations past, I think that was very normal.
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B
It was very normal. And actually, you go back to even just the 1950s, and the average woman was getting married in her young 20s. That was very normal. If anything, it was a little bit late. And yes, because, you know, people were getting married at 16, 17, 18, and not only that, they were then quickly having children. There wasn't this gap in between. And the average household was having three to four children. So that was the normal family size. Not too many, you know, too Many years ago. So it has morphed and changed pretty quickly over time. And the average age today of. Of women and men getting married is now close to, you know, early 30s. And I cannot tell you how many people I talk to that are. That I'm in the same boat, same age, and we're in completely different life stages. And many of them see my husband and I with our two kids. And there's a fun story. We were at a restaurant not too long ago, my husband and I, and there was this group of young guys, and they were probably in their late 20s, early 30s, and they were watching us engage as a family. And Michael, my husband, actually went up and because my daughter went to go talk to one of the guys, and they got in a conversation, and you could tell there was this seeking in this guy's eyes to have that in his own life. And he even said, you know, I'm a nephew. I have. I have a nephew, and I get to be an uncle, and it's the best thing ever. And I just love kids, and I want that one day. And I sat there just kind of watching them engage. Same age, but totally different life stages, and my heart started to break because it's all about just what you prioritize. It's all about what you listen to, and it's all about the narrative that you decide to. To take hold of. And it's. It's amazing how every single day does matter, the decisions that you make. Every single day matters because time does go quickly, and you don't want to look back 10, 15 years down the road and say, oh, my goodness, where did the time go? What have I been prioritizing? I'm sitting here in a. In a boat that I never thought that I was going to be. I was never going to be riding in. And so I think it's. I think it's something that we all need to really assess and realize that having children, getting married is so beautiful. And this message of marriages being a burden and children being a burden is very relevant. And that's why we have to do our part. That's why, Jenny, I'm so thankful you have your podcast. And we do have some brands, and we do have companies, we do have different nonprofits and. And. And social media accounts and influencers that are sending a countercultural message to the world that actually the greatest thing that you can achieve in life is getting married and having children. And I think the more that we can sing that song and the more that we can be proud to share that and not be ashamed in our beliefs, not be ashamed in our values. Boldly stand for what is true. It's going to impact the next generation, because I believe the next generation is really hungry for truth. They're really hungry for more than what they have. They're the only generation that's been raised with cell phones right in their faces from day one. I didn't even have, like, I didn't have a childhood where I was faced with that tension the way that the young people are today. And so they want something more than screens. They want something more than unsatisfied connection through TikTok or their Snapchat. Like, that's just not going to cut it. God didn't make us to make connection that way. And so we have an opportunity to give them the real thing. And I'm excited to see some change. I think there is some change, but we got a long way to go.
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A
Oh, we really have to live intentionally. You have to. And I think you have to take everything through the lens of scripture. It's like, you know, for this reason, a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife. And, you know, then Ecclesiastes talks about how so many things are meaningless. And I don't think that you want to end up in your 40s, possibly past the biological age where it's easy to have children. Like, my percentages, Sarah Gable, for, like, having kids is like 1%. I looked into it recently. You know, it's. And I. It's never. I don't think it's ever higher than 20. But, like, as you age, the opportunity for you to get pregnant, it's like, it, you know, it just low. It's, you know, whatever it lowers. It's like how God made our bodies. And then I think you. You progress into being a grandma. And I'm excited about that. Like, that that's the next stage for me. But these culture messages are really strong. And I talked to this man named Arthur Brooks, who. He speaks a lot about happiness, and he's a college professor, and he will talk about how these PhD students who are in their late 20s, he said all they want is the relationship. That's it. And, you know, they've been sold this message about career and all these other things. And he said that that is all they want. He said, we spend so much of our time talking about relationships, and. And he talks about dating like an entrepreneur. Like, he's like, you got it. You got to have your heart broken a couple times. Like, this is just Part of the process. Get back up and try it again. Obviously, we have a lot of young people that are afraid of risk, and this goes back to not going outside. But, you know, this is what they really want. And I think if you read things like Ecclesiastes and, you know, as you progress through life, you're like, oh, that couch really didn't matter. That, you know, a lot of these material things, they. Within a week or two, they are meaningless. Everything is meaningless. But your relationships, but the people that you have around you. So let's talk about. Okay, so obviously, I would say children are not a burden. Of course, children are a reward. They are an absolute blast. Big families are an absolute blast. And I want to. Since we're in the conversation talking about making more babies, I would say that one of the biggest benefits for having a large family, because a lot of people would say that that is if one child's a burden, well, certainly three children or four children or six children. So one of the benefits that I didn't realize, Sarah Gable, is that I have less control. And this is actually a huge, huge benefit, because the less control you have, the more the child steps into their own. And I just want to proclaim that because I think as adults and especially as mothers, we want to pave the way for our kids, and we want to do everything possible that we can possibly possibly ever do to, you know, get, like, give them a little edge. You know, we're the mom. But what happens naturally when you have more kids is you can't do that. Kids are like, I don't know. Like, I can't. I just can't. Can't. There's too many layers and puzzle pieces. And one of the things I think, that's plaguing young people today is they don't have a sense of control that causes anxiety. And I was just talking to this man who was at a book where he talks about how there's this rent a mom service at college. You can pay when your kid is away at college for someone to come in and tidy their room, make their bed. You know, these types of things. And that stems from having more capacity because you don't have 16 children, you know, and everyone. You know, the. You know, the Bible talks about the womb and every. And I also think there's a lot of things going on in our world that are just unhealthy, that are toxins and types of things like that. So everyone has their own situation. You know, you meet moms that have had miscarriages and I've had just horrific situations. They've not been able to have children. So it's not about that. It's about pushing against the message, though, that the more kids you have, the worse it's going to be for them. And I think that. I think that they have more people that love them and look out for them. And I also think that they have to step into their own a little bit more often because there is a lack of ability to control all the aspects of their life as one adult.
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B
It's a really good point. And you think about even my generation that, you know, a lot of the parents were a little bit more of the helicopter parents, right? The. What you're describing, they're very on top of every part of their life. They're almost doing too much for their kids. Doing their laundry, making their beds, making their food. And the child growing up and then into their teenage years and adulthood, they never had the opportunity to own their life. They never had the opportunity to own the responsibilities in front of them because it was all done for them. And so then they get into the real world and they don't know what to do, and they're lost and they don't have a foundation, they don't know how to function, and they're. They have an identity crisis, truly. And that's when many of these young people then turn to the screens, they turn to media, they turn to that influencer that they want to aspire to be, and they try to make these false connections because they're so lost, and they don't know how to own their lives because they were never taught how to do it. And that's a tragedy. So you look at a lot of the people today that are out there in the world, and you back up to the earliest of days, and I have to say, it's probably because of the way that they were raised and the parents that they had. And look, a lot of these parents are doing it out of love. But you have to think about what is the best way to actually love my child? What does love actually look like in each moment and each stage of life? And there gets to a point where. Where love can look like stepping back and saying, I'm letting go and I'm going to actually let my child fail. I'm going to let them fail so they can learn, so they can grow, so they can become the man, the woman that I want to see them become when they're no longer in my home. That's our job, that is our responsibility as parents. Is to be able to say at 18 years old, when they are now an adult, they can go function on their own, they are set up for success. They understand finances, they understand credit cards, they understand how to steward the home. They understand, you know, how to make sure that they can pay a mortgage on their car, whatever it may be on their home. Like those are the qualities that I think every young person needs, the practical essentials to be able to go thrive so they can dream that they can have a vision for the life. Because if they don't know how to do the basics, they don't know how to do the little things, they're going to be so caught up in that that they're never going to actually ask those big questions and say, God, what do you have for me? What in this big world do you want me to go accomplish? Where do you have me? And so I think you're, you're spot on. And I think it's so important that any parent listening, no matter what stage, you know, your child is in, and this is a good reminder for me, I have very young kids so right now they need me. I am their full on caretaker. I am, I got a six week old and she can't function without me. And it's beautiful and it's wonderful and that's the season I'm in. But there are shifts and changes that we all have to be ready for. And you reminding me that that's, it's kind of intimidating, it's scary to think about. But they're coming, they're coming and my heart needs to be prepared and I can go ahead and start praying for my heart to be ready to release. We have to release and let them go and learn because it will actually set them up better. Because everyone needs to know that their children, they are the next leaders of our world, of the businesses, of our society, of government, wherever they go. And so we're not setting them up to be the leaders they need to be in the world. We, we're not doing our jobs.
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A
That's right. And it's hard to let go. And so this is a benefit of having a large family. You're forced to do like it just happens naturally. I cannot do the laundry for seven people. Like, I can't. And you know, and there's times when it's like I can't, I'm, I have this thing today, I can't get dinner on the table. Who can make a dinner?
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B
I love that it's the weakness.
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A
And, and I think that would be considered a weakness today. It's like, gosh, you're not doing everything for them. But it's in those times where the child is able to step up and learn that they have capacity, they have autonomy, they have agency. And these are the skills that we want them to have so that they're not going off to college. There is a book out, I think you would think it was funny. Sarah Gable. It's called what Time is Noon? What Time is Noon? The author is named Chip Layton and he took all of these text messages because now, right, kids can text their parents. So they'll text their parents these different things that they don't know. And they're funny, they're. They're like Amelia Bedelia type things. Like they're. The one that always stands out in my mind is, you know, the kids at the store, they're trying to get the ingredients from the grocery store and they text the parent and they say, where can I find the pasta water? You know, like, oh, yeah, right. So, you know, there's like a lack of experience there. And one of the ones, he had a whole section from college students and the one of the ones was from a college student to a parent that said, how do I get my clothes out of the washing machine? Do I just use my hands?
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B
Wow. Wow.
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A
It's kind of, it's kind of funny, but it's also not funny. And the point is, is that if you're getting the cultural message that number one, children are burdened. So certainly a lot of children is more burden. I would push back on that and say what having a lot of children has done for me is it has allowed me to let go. I would be the one that's trying to control everything. And I want to know every single grade and every single assignment and I want to check off and make sure that you've done this, that and the other thing. And I just have not been able to. And that has been so freeing. And what has allowed me to do is to be able to see that these kids grow and flourish on their own in their God given abilities and that I can be there to support them in their path toward the purpose that God has for them. And I'm not going to control it because I can't. And it's been, it's.
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B
Yeah. And, and what's beautiful about that too, what you're saying is, you know, it's not only letting go of that control has allowed you to just let them be and figure it out at times for themselves, which is a Good thing. But it's also probably very freeing for you. Like, you're probably enjoying motherhood more, because when we're stuck in control and. And we want everything to be the way we want it to be, and it has to be perfect, and then if it's not, then it throws our whole day off and we get anxious and stressed and we don't want to function in that place like no one wants to function in anxiety and stress and control. And the moment that we let those things go, we actually become better versions of ourselves or better moms. We're more present moms, and we have more fun. Like, you were actually able to enjoy the stories that you were sharing about yesterday with the big families and just watching the kids interact. If you were so set on a schedule and you got to do this at this time and this isn't happening over here, you wouldn't have been able to pause and just laugh at the child that was on the trampoline jumping up and down and just how much joy that brought you and how much refreshment that brought you. And so I love what the message you're sending that big families really do cause you to surrender the control, which then allows you to be the better parent that you want to be. And you talked a little bit, too. I want to go back to what is causing this message that, you know, families are. And children are a burden, large family shouldn't happen. I mean, as you were talking, I was even thinking about, you know, when you're watching TV and you're looking at advertisements, and I know that, you know, TV isn't really. Most people are on Instagram. They're mostly watching things on X and they're getting their news and all these other platforms. But even on those social media platforms, you think about the advertisement that's being served to all of these different individuals. Well, one, they're targeting each individual based upon, you know, what they're searching and they're looking at, which is very interesting. So they're giving you the message that aligns with the things that you're searching and you're looking at and you're reading and who you're following. So they're very strategic about the messages they send as far as the advertisement that goes into the hands of, you know, the individual. But a lot of these advertisements are not families. Like, I remember last year, I remember last year, my husband and I, at Christmas, we sat down and we went. We looked up on YouTube. Let's just sit here and watch a bunch of commercials from the 50s. And all of the commercials, one were just so beautiful. And they were full of big families. They were sitting at the table, they were talking, they weren't on their phones. They were eating great food, probably toxin free. Like everything was so, so pure and good. And I'm thinking, okay, now let's switch to what's on TV right now. And it's these, you know, older, probably in their, you know, mid-30s that are not married. They're out there on their phones, they're out in New York City's big cities. And you're seeing a bunch of stimulating lights. And you're not seeing the home, you're not seeing families, you're seeing individuals. You're seeing people out conquering their goals and conquering their careers and doing life by themselves. And so you have to think about when you're seeing that over and over and over again, you start to normalize that as a lifestyle. Like that just must be how society is now. And this is normal that I'm not married, it's normal that I'm not having kids. That's what everybody else is doing. I'm seeing it all over the place. And so we, we become numb. I think what's happening is our culture is becoming numb to the truth, to. And the beauty of parenthood and life because they're not seeing it enough. And they're being fed lies or being fed messages. They're being fed visuals that don't actually feed them the beauty of why we're here on this earth in the first place. Because you even said, going back to the biblical truth, God created man and woman. He created man and woman to become one. And in that companionship, they should be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. That is his commandment to us. And it's not being shed enough in different platforms. And it's impacting the way people are seeing their life. And we're becoming very passive people. And we need to wake up. I think we need a society that wakes up.
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A
I think for me, that the most important thing about pushing back against these really strong cultural forces, to your point, that are saturating the media, everything from your phone to the things that you see on, you know, whatever a Super bowl commercial or whatever it is you have to read, you have there. I don't think that you can live the life that you want to live in this day and age if you don't read, because the reading challenges your thinking and it exposes you to other philosophies. So I'm giving My list since you have a two year old and a six week old. Is that what you said?
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B
You got it.
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A
They're so little. Okay, this is my list of books. If anyone's listening and you have a 2, 2 year old and a 6 week old. If you've got little kids you have to read the Bible. Obviously that's given. I would read free to learn balance and barefoot simplicity, parenting, smart moves, the read aloud family and one that I, that, that would have been my list for a long time but I've just added one on called the family economy which is about, it's really about individualistic culture in general that's come up a lot in this conversation. Like why are we so individualistic? Why, why would it be like your life is better at 32 if you're not married than if you are? Like is that true? You know, and everyone has different circumstances. Like I've got single friends so I don't, you know, I just think like that's such a. But that's such an overwhelming cultural message to have it be one way or the other. You know, instead of being like well what does the Bible say and what are different people's experiences and things like that. So I think, you know, and I think if I would have read more as a younger person about family and children, I probably would have made different decisions. So to your point, there are so many cultural forces. They're coming from brands and companies as well as the media. They're coming from everywhere. So you want to live the life you want to live, you got to read about what other people are doing. Talk to us about every life expanding to women. I think this is really exciting because this is two years old and I just read a statistic that 73% of Gen Z want to be entrepreneurs. So this is the world that we're in, the world that we're heading in. Then talk about Gen Alpha. It's going to be even more so want to be entrepreneurs and you have a really cool entrepreneurial preneurial. Preneurial whatever. Story of 2 years, 6 million diapers given away and expanding. So as we're wrapping up here, tell us what's going on with everylife and how you've expanded to women in just two years.
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B
I love it. And to hear that so many people are wanting to start their own businesses and be an entrepreneur, it actually is really amazing because this lifestyle actually allows you to be at home. I'm sitting in my office at home right now so I can be close to my Kids, I can be a part of their life while still being able to go about starting this company that I've been able to start. And I think going back to all the things we've been saying, it's really important for people to ask themselves at a young age if I want to be a wife and I want to be a mom, but I want to be a mom that's present. I want to be a mom that's there. Think about the career path that you choose. Because if you choose a career path that has you in an office from 9 to 5, it's going to be really hard to be present with your children. And I am so thankful and so grateful that I have a beautiful family that's very supportive, that helps me tremendously to be able to do what I do. So I can't do this without that. I have to give credit to, to all the support that I have. But also I've been able to pursue this and spend time with my children and I bring them everywhere with me. My daughter has been on 90 plus flights, she's probably had 100 flights now my 2 year old, because I just take the family with me and they jump on my meetings with me. Right. And that's possible when you pursue a career that allows you to do the both because it is possible. It's not for everybody. And I actually think if all you want to be in life is a full time mom that is beautiful and wonderful and should be celebrated. Right. And that's not said enough either. So I think it's really important to say that to your audience because I've heard people feel bad saying that. They literally feel bad saying I want to be a full time mom. It's like, like no, that's awesome. Yes, don't do that.
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A
I think like what happens there is that you should still prioritize what you're passionate about that may or may not make money. And that part doesn't matter. But I think if you're still prioritizing what you're passionate about, that's modeling for your kids, that adulthood is a good destination. And so whether that a work, you work from the home, you work out of the home, or you are a working mother, stay at home mother, I don't even know. Like it's, it's a weird, the terminology is always weird to me. But the point is, is like you don't have to give up every, you know, like what did you tell, what was the phrasing you used about being empowered in motherhood? And there's beauty of. There's beauty in motherhood. You don't have to like, put yourself second. You do kind of. You don't have to put who you are second. Like, and so sometimes what happens is those companies are an outflow of passion. It wasn't like that was the primary goal. The primary goal is like, I'm going to be this boss. What did you say? Boss, babe or whatever. I'm going to be. That wasn't it. The primary goal was I have something I'm passionate about. I'm going to pursue my passions while still being a mom. And what happens is that passion is going to spill over into the lives and I love.
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B
That's ex. That's exactly it. And honestly, my children are the inspiration for my work. I wake up every day and I started every life because I believe my daughter deserved better diaper care than what was on the market today. If I wasn't pregnant and going through that, I wouldn't have discovered all the things that I did about every single major diaper brand supporting abortion. I wouldn't have been so compelled to get this thing started quickly because I wanted her to be in the every life diapers that we were creating and crafting just for her. And I can honestly say that I'm so grateful that we spent the time we did making sure that the ingredients were clean with no fragrances, no phthalates, no dyes, all the chemicals that can be really harmful on baby skin. Because I wanted to be proud to put it on my daughter. And I can, I can confidently say, like, this is an incredible diaper. Not only is it clean, but it performs. And you're shopping your values when you come to everylife. And so, you know, we started this and you asked about the femcare line. And I think it's really important that, you know, not only do we serve the babies and the mothers, but we also really create other essentials for the entire family unit. And one of our most requested items was actually, actually film care. And you know, we thought how this actually could be a really great category line for us to tap into because we're already serving the mom. They're asking for these products. And let's create the same sort of intentional product that is free from fragrances, free from dyes, no phthalates, no. Parabens are film care products. We launched just last week. So it's brand new. We have tampons, pads and we have period underwear. They're the pads and the tampons are 100% got certified it's organic cotton. And these, these products not only are clean and pure, but they perform, they really work. And so it's great to have the both and, and you have the values component. And when you have all of these femcare brands that are not standing fully for women and they're promoting a product for women, but yet a lot of these mainstream brands, they don't have clean ingredients or they're not even exposing all of their ingredients online. So you don't even really know what you're putting in and on your body. And there's been a lot of independent testing that has been done that some of these main mainstream brands actually have ingredients like phthalates and parabens and fragrances and pfas, which is called the forever chemical, that can be very harmful for fertility. They can cause all kinds of hormonal imbalances, endocrine disruption, and that is the opposite of caring for women. It is, it's awful. And not only that these mainstream brands are now saying that our products are for all people, for all menstruators, for not just women, but men as well.
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A
Talk about cultural messaging.
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B
I mean that these same care brands, you don't feel empowered when you get their products because they're trying to cater to a man and a woman. There's, they're using these gender neutral terms, basically erasing womanhood, which is, it's very offensive because being, being a woman is a beautiful thing. It's God made women with so much hope, intentionality, with strength, with dignity. And for a brand to not celebrate that truth and that reality, it should really make consumers upset. It made me upset. I don't feel good using Tampax because they're not marketing to me, they're marketing to men as well. And again, this was one of those epiphany moments. When I started to dig into the reality of the period care, I was shocked. And I said, women deserve better, families deserve better. We're going to come out with a product that's clean, that is safe for your body, that celebrates your body. And we want to be a brand too. Jenny, I think this is important to note that. I remember when I started my period, I kind of hit out at it. I was embarrassed by it. I think a lot of people feel that. And it shouldn't be something that's embarrassing. Starting your menstrual period should be celebrated. It's a milestone moment where you get to say, wow, I'm a woman and my body, it's a sign of good health. It's A good sign. And it's something that we should be so excited about. And I want to be a brand that celebrates with those women even at the earliest age. So we're going to be there now for our customers at the moment that they start their menstrual cycle. We're going to celebrate that milestone moment. We're going to be with them through motherhood and even beyond with these products. And I don't think I mentioned the seamless underwear. We also have the seamless underwear that's free from harsh ingredients. It's made with mostly bamboo. It's so comfy. Amazing. Absorbs well. So that's the other product that we have that's great for postpartum, right?
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A
Because, yeah, like, why didn't they have that before? I was like, gosh, I would have had that when I was a kid. I'm like, that's incredible. So the, the website is everylife.com. you can find the diapers there. Tell me all the products. It's everylife.com and then everylife.com women.
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B
You got it.
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A
So this is diapers, this is tampons. This is organic tampons, organic pads, period underwear, postpartum recovery bundle, plus diapers for the baby. Am I missing anything else?
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B
Diapers, wipes. We have a bath and yeah, we have a bath and body line as well for the baby. That's all, again, very clean ingredients, made in the usa. And then we also have training pants. So we can be there for you for your toddler years as well.
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A
Gen Z, if you're listening. Two years. Two years to all of those products. It's incredible. I want to tell you, I listened to, I talked to this man last week. His name is Dr. Michael Gurion, and he's written a lot of books about like, the wonder of boys and the wonder of girls. And he was talking about how young men in particular don't have rituals in, in the United States into adulthood. And in a lot of cultures, they have rituals into adulthood. But that women do, you know that you, you start to menstruate, you have your period. And he said, I have never heard this. I don't know if you've heard it before. Sarah Gable. He said that every single period that you have, it like, enhances your brain.
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B
Wow.
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A
I believe it every single time it happens. So anyways, I just thought that was so fascinating. So it is just a special thing to be a woman. And I love that you are celebrating women. So honored to get a chance to talk with you and to talk about These cultural messages and really just, you know, as if you're listening in and you are listening. It's not if, because you are listening in to think about, is this a cultural message? Is this really what I want for my life? And, and how do we teach our kids to be discerning about those types of things too? We always end our show with the same question. The question is, what's a favorite memory from your childhood that was outside?
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Oh, I love that. I mean, my family for, let's see, almost 50 years. We're going on 50 years now. We would go to the beach in Destin, Florida. And it was a yearly thing on my dad's side of the family, people. So my, my dad's side of the family is massive. Talk about procreating. Lots of kids.
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It cut out for one second. How many people?
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So about 80. We usually have about 80 family members at the beach every single year. We've been doing it for over 50 years now. And it's a tradition that's been going on and on and on for obviously as long as I can remember. And it was a time for us to come together with all my cousins and aunts and uncles and we would just play outside, build sand castles, get in the ocean, get in the swimming pool and do like a circle as a cycle. Right? It'd be a beach, swimming pool, sandcastle over and over and over again. And those are some of the best memories of just being with my family outside on the beach every single year. And we still do it today. So I'm so excited that now my two girls and hopefully many more children are going to get to be raised in that environment and being able to cherish family because I think, you know, a lot of times you can stay very isolated. And I'm so thankful for my core family, but I have an amazing extension of family. And while we all live in different places, this is our time to come together and love each other. And those are some of my favorite and fond memories that I look back upon very often. So thank you for asking. Thank you for having me.
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And it comes full circle because it's those simple things like those books I talked about. They would promote beach, swimming, pool, sandcastles. I mean, the kids really thrive in those environments. And then that's self care, that self care for everyone, including the parent. Everyone feels good in those environments. So, Sarah Gable, thank you so much for being here and thanks for all that you're doing.
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